Just a shameless plug for this finest of retailer/etailer organizations. After 30+ years and dozens of orders with them from the 1970’s for film cameras and lenses to present day digital gear, I have NEVER had an issue with them. I don’t work for them but would love to get lost in their retail store for a week. Folks, don’t take chances with riff raff retailers and refurb joints, or pay sales tax on Amazon. B&H’s free shipping and no tax status has saved me hundreds of dollars over the years. Nobody can beat B&H for price and service on legitimate goods – and honor your returns for total satisfaction. Come on – use your head!
i agree, b&h is the jam and a really good on returns should you ever have a problem with your equipment out of the box. cameras, audio equipment, ect.
although amazon has better buttplug selection.
With the exception of Leica Summilux 21 1.4, most 21 is at f2 or 2.8.
To retain the lens size and make it 1.4 will likely mean soft at 1.4 and only sharps at 2.8. This lens and like all new Zeiss lenses will likely be sharp from wide open and only marginally improve at other f-stop
There’s not much of a difference between f1.8 and f2, what’s important is the T-stop of a lens which usually isn’t mentioned. T is more accurate as it’ll determine the “brightness” of a lens.
Eg: A lens that’s f1.4 but has a T1.8 vs a f2.0 but has T2.0, will result in same “brightness” at the same wide open setting. The only difference you really get is the bokeh and that’s about it.
Could someone please explain why one would buy this lens over the Batis 25? I’m not knowledgeable enough about wide angle lenses to understand this price/feature balance. Even at short focal lengths, AF can sure come in handy. And, f/2 for the Batis. What’s up with that?
Lots of folks are obsessed with getting as wide of an angle as possible (the wide angle freaks), which is why there’s all this excitement. Additionally, I think this is the most compact distagon design wide angle lens you can buy.
Personally, I have the Batis 25 and think it’s as wide as I’ll go. I like the fact that it has AF (comes in handy for night photos), f2 aperture (better for astrophotography) and better weatherproofing. I think the Loxia lenses are better for street photography but I would rather have the more durable Batis lenses if I’m going hiking or somewhere with weather (see the rain drenched batis ads and the articles about shooting in the rain by the featured zeiss photographer).
Beyond 24mm, each mm wider makes a difference for the field of view. For instance, compare 70mm to 85mm versus the difference between 11mm (rectilinear) and 24mm. The 13mm difference is gigantic in terms of fov while the 15mm difference between 70 and 85 is subtle.
It is a shame how much all new FE equipment is overprized. This Zeiss lens as the Sony cameras before. As long as people are paying this crazy prices, they will further turn the price screw. I will just skip all this costly stuff.
I might add, B&H vs Adorama, it all comes down to shipping. I redirect all packages from my home to the UPS Store 3/4 mile down the road. Actually, it is set up as a default and UPS auto-redirects if they can. Several benefits – package not left at door, not held hostage waiting for truck when signature required, delivered earlier to business address than residential and I get an email to swing by, ID and signature required when picking up all re-directs at the UPS Store, even if signature not originally required.
With all those advantages are for naught as by Adorama’s shipping policy, they block redirects to an address other than the original billing/shipping address. B&H earns the business.
I would say they first need to manufacturer enough of the other two Batis lenses to go around for all those who have reserved them before worrying about additional Batis lenses! It’s crazy how long it’s taking!
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Just a shameless plug for this finest of retailer/etailer organizations. After 30+ years and dozens of orders with them from the 1970’s for film cameras and lenses to present day digital gear, I have NEVER had an issue with them. I don’t work for them but would love to get lost in their retail store for a week. Folks, don’t take chances with riff raff retailers and refurb joints, or pay sales tax on Amazon. B&H’s free shipping and no tax status has saved me hundreds of dollars over the years. Nobody can beat B&H for price and service on legitimate goods – and honor your returns for total satisfaction. Come on – use your head!
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i agree, b&h is the jam and a really good on returns should you ever have a problem with your equipment out of the box. cameras, audio equipment, ect.
although amazon has better buttplug selection.
Is there a GoFundMe type service for camera lenses?
Rent.
I got burned before buying a new item at this price. For those that can afford it- I salute you.
Ye, it’s called American Express! If you gotta quibble over paying for this kinda bling, you can’t handle it!
zeiss strategy: keep supply to the minimum, and the demand and prices high. still waiting for batis 25mm preordered in august. just lame
That’s a grip of cash for a f/2.8 lens. It it was 1.4, it would be worth it
With the exception of Leica Summilux 21 1.4, most 21 is at f2 or 2.8.
To retain the lens size and make it 1.4 will likely mean soft at 1.4 and only sharps at 2.8. This lens and like all new Zeiss lenses will likely be sharp from wide open and only marginally improve at other f-stop
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/909498-REG/Voigtlander_ba218m_Ultron_21mm_f_1_8_M_Lens.html
voigtander has a 21 1.8.
There’s not much of a difference between f1.8 and f2, what’s important is the T-stop of a lens which usually isn’t mentioned. T is more accurate as it’ll determine the “brightness” of a lens.
Eg: A lens that’s f1.4 but has a T1.8 vs a f2.0 but has T2.0, will result in same “brightness” at the same wide open setting. The only difference you really get is the bokeh and that’s about it.
Could someone please explain why one would buy this lens over the Batis 25? I’m not knowledgeable enough about wide angle lenses to understand this price/feature balance. Even at short focal lengths, AF can sure come in handy. And, f/2 for the Batis. What’s up with that?
Same reason you would buy a 50mm lens instead of an 85mm lens. Field of view is completely different.
Lots of folks are obsessed with getting as wide of an angle as possible (the wide angle freaks), which is why there’s all this excitement. Additionally, I think this is the most compact distagon design wide angle lens you can buy.
Personally, I have the Batis 25 and think it’s as wide as I’ll go. I like the fact that it has AF (comes in handy for night photos), f2 aperture (better for astrophotography) and better weatherproofing. I think the Loxia lenses are better for street photography but I would rather have the more durable Batis lenses if I’m going hiking or somewhere with weather (see the rain drenched batis ads and the articles about shooting in the rain by the featured zeiss photographer).
Size, weight, and for video guys, iris/aperture pulling
in wide angle category a little 4 or 5 differences in focal length is really make the difference, contrary to the tele lenses.
The Loxia lenses are better suited for video.
Beyond 24mm, each mm wider makes a difference for the field of view. For instance, compare 70mm to 85mm versus the difference between 11mm (rectilinear) and 24mm. The 13mm difference is gigantic in terms of fov while the 15mm difference between 70 and 85 is subtle.
It is a shame how much all new FE equipment is overprized. This Zeiss lens as the Sony cameras before. As long as people are paying this crazy prices, they will further turn the price screw. I will just skip all this costly stuff.
I hear good things about Roberts Camera- but selection is limited.
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2015/10/12/the-zeiss-21mm-f2-8-loxia-lens-review-for-sony-fe-in-pictures/
Wake up Sigma. We want quality at reasonable price.
I might add, B&H vs Adorama, it all comes down to shipping. I redirect all packages from my home to the UPS Store 3/4 mile down the road. Actually, it is set up as a default and UPS auto-redirects if they can. Several benefits – package not left at door, not held hostage waiting for truck when signature required, delivered earlier to business address than residential and I get an email to swing by, ID and signature required when picking up all re-directs at the UPS Store, even if signature not originally required.
With all those advantages are for naught as by Adorama’s shipping policy, they block redirects to an address other than the original billing/shipping address. B&H earns the business.
Zeiss… stop messing around and make the 50mm BATIS already.
I would say they first need to manufacturer enough of the other two Batis lenses to go around for all those who have reserved them before worrying about additional Batis lenses! It’s crazy how long it’s taking!