The new Sony A7rII autofocusing system marks a new high standard for third party and A-mount lens support:
Dpreview writes:
PDAF will work even with third-party lenses via existing adapters, including in continuous AF tracking mode. This is potentially a huge deal – especially for Canon users. We’ve used an a7R II with a [shoplink 37334 ebay]Canon 24-70mm lens[/shoplink] and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed. We’ll be looking at this in more depth as soon as we have a production sample camera, but for now, we’re highly impressed.
Sony correctly recognized that they need to add high quality autofocus support for Canon lenses if they want to gain Canon customers!
Sony press text says:
Additionally, the focal plane phase-detection AF system on the α7R II works well with Sony A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter. This allows users to enjoy the wide AF coverage of 399 focal plane phase-detection AF points, high-speed response and high tracking performance with a wider range of lenses. This marks the first time that the AF system of a mirrorless camera can achieve high performance with lenses originally designed for DSLRs.”
The A7rII is certainly the best “A-mount lens friendly” camera yet. I can’t wait to see a focusing performance comparison between the A99 and the A7rII. If the A7rII is really as good as Sony marketing says well….I will let you guess what this could mean for the A-mount system future…
Store links:
In USA:
A7rII at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Uniquephoto.
RX10m2 at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Uniquephoto.
RX100m4 at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Uniquephoto.
In Europe at:
A7rII at Sony DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
RX100m4 at DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
RX100m2 at DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
In Asia at:
A7rII at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
RX10m2 at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
RX100m4 at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
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I have one question… how would LAEA3 adapter drive AF on a non-SAM or non-SSM Sony A-mount lens?
It wont, but a LAEA5 adapter without mirror but with AF-drive will do the trick. If this really works out and they put this tech into APS-C E-mounts as well… nice
maybe there will be a LAEA5 with a screw drive motor.
I hope so.:)
It does not work with those at all. The LA-EA4 can be used the same way as on the previous ones with only a few AF points.
So, eg. the 35mm 1.8 DT SAM would work but the 50mm 1.4 won’t? The 24-70mm 2.8 won’t but the new 24-70mm 2.8 ZA SSM II would do? Right?
24-70 is also ssm
my guess is, that Sony will not support screw-driven A-mount lenses. Maybe they are too slow anyway so you can use a LA-EA4. I would love to have a fast, mirrorless (LA-EA??) with screw drive since a own a lot of screw driven lenses, mostly wide angle where AF speed doesn’t matter that much. My only SSM lens 3rd party is a 70-300…
My experience with many long screw driven lenses when used on a fast focusing camera (the A77II) is that they work just as fast as SSM. The difference is “Noise”. The screw driven lenses clatter and clack but still work very well. The SSM lenses are much more quiet. I have several of both types and would never hesitate to reach for any of my screw drive lenses. The nosiest lens on my A77II is my 500mm f/8 reflex. I suppose the longer a lens is, the move focusing motion it requires.
i find the focus acuracy worse, and the tracking tends be worse, but they do have more charm 🙂
Does anyone know how this differs from the A7 and A7ii PDAF implementation? (an honest question, I do not own any AF legacy glass)
Is it really different or are they selling previous tech as a hot new feature?
about a year ago, sony says PDAF points on sensor without lowpass filter is difficult to achieve, but now they did it, so I did a bit research that may also help with your question. The PDAF on A7 is built in between pixels, but this new PDAF on A7rII was built ABOVE the pixel, meaning it doesn’t matter if theres no lowpass filter or not anymore. and the circuit of AF points is independent from pixels, they work independently and with no noticeable impact on each other . Also，the focus tech is somewhat same as the A6000 in terms of tracking. they call it 4D focus.
please, source?
there were patents which showed regular pixel with additional mask between photodiode and color filter array, this is incompatible with what you describe
We need an adapter with screw drive too.
Yes please. I don’t understand why it is limited to the older adapter, especially as the picture shows the 4.
Someone is too lazy to bypass the SLT AF system inside the LA-EA4 and too greedy to sell SAM and SSM lenses 😉
I remember a Sony engineer being quoted on this website where he talked about the possible bulk and power requirements of LA-EA5/6/7 adapters that would have larger AF modules (such as the one in the A77ii).
I prefer the proposed arrangement, but they could of course come up with a mirrorless screw drive adapter if there is enough demand for it – attempting it right now would complicate things (production, marketing, distribution, customers) a bit too much, IMHO.
“We need an adapter with screw drive too.”
And it must link to the camera’s Auto-Focus system. Only then will I consider buying this new camera and I will do it gladly.
Can we use Nikon lenses too?
The nikon to FE adapter with AF is on its way, I saw the third party made prototype days ago
Do you have any evidence to back this up? It would be the icing on the cake if I could use modern Nikon glass with this
Haha，things I can tell you: the adapter can do Auto focus，as well as control aperture on sony camera body when using G lenses. I can’t say which company made it or exactly launch time, but I can tell you its very soon. so keep your nikon glasses 🙂
I think that there isn’t any F to E mount adapter today which transmits AF data, contrary to several EF to E mount adapters. Maybe soon?
One hurdle that still has to be taken, is the mechanical aperture of the F mount combined with Nikon protocols.
well isn’t mechanical aperture easy to reverse engineer? 🙂
All this camera proves that an A-mount mirror less camera was possible from the get go. The A99 was a test bed for this sensor tech.
By that logic so is anything.
Translation, A-mount is dead!
Film is dead too oh snap it’s not foool! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/585497-USA/Kodak_6031330_35mm_Ektar_100_Color.html
DPR: “We’ve used an a7R II with a Canon 24-70mm lens and a Metabones adapter, and focus is indeed very fast indeed.”
So the A7RII might actually provide usable AF speed even with Canon EF lenses? Wow, I feel the GAS is grabbing me very firmly now! And Sony has once again raised the bar that CaNikon has to jump when and if they ever get their act together. FF sensor with BSI, IBIS and a really fast AF that works even with competitor brand lenses! Anything less and you’re out! Crazy stuff!
I hope the a7000 has this feature. I was going to get a a72 or a7s but now I think I may just use what I have and slowly collect a few A-mounts and one or two canons while I wait. I guess my a7 & a6000 will have to do for now.
usable speed with Canon EF lenses would certainly be awesome!!! I could use my old 85mm 1.8 baby until I have svaed enough monney for the Batis lens 😀
Going to wait for some reviews first. Good AF speed is needed in different light conditions.
Would screw driven lenses work with mirror removed from LA-EA4 adapter?
probably not because AF is switched automatically from in-camera to LA-EA4; and without the mirror, that AF won’t work anymore
We can’t tell yet… And it might change with new firmware updates
First thing I thought about was ALL minus the 70-200g are all screw driven. So effectively useless for me.
Actually, I won’t be surprised if third parties come up with AF adapters for Nikon, Minolta and few others. AF screw drive inside the adapter is possible for third parties, Contax adapters already have that. So, LA-EA5/6 will surely come, but it might not be from Sony.
Sony is just annihilating Canon…
can someone explain to me what the deal is with a back illuminated sensor means and what that means? does it means it takes better pictures? better in low light? first ever type of sensor but what does it mean for the landscape photog?
BSI gives better light gathering properties, maybe not the most important part of the new camera. But I guess 42MP, no LPF and zero shutter slap on tripod should be of great interest for landscapers.
What about DR? Increased sensitivity usually go hand in hand with higher DR, no?
Technically it means that the sensor circuitry is arranged differently than on conventional sensor, with light sensing photo diodes being closer to the illuminated sensor surface. There are plenty of diagrams about this, just google it.
In reality this might mean both better sensitivity and better handling of light hitting the sensor at an angle.
For landscapes sensitivity increase is not too important, but improved handling of angled light might be for some wide angle lenses.
A slight increase in sensitivity, but much faster sensor read out (factor 3.5) for faster focusing, PDAF with non native lenses, silent (electronic) shutter, etc.
Google is your friend 😛
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-illuminated_sensor
The wiring is on the opposite side of the photo diodes. That means there is no wiring gap between the photo-diodes any more -> the individual diode area gets bigger -> higher sensitivity.
In addition the metal-stack above the photo diodes costs light sensitivity because of transmission losses -> higher sensitivity without
In addition there is a loss because of scattering in the metal stack. The metal stack is build up out of >20 layers with scattering in between. This is not the case anymore -> higher sensitivity. In addition less color problems in the corner.
The material the metals stack is build out is determined by the requirements of chip processing. Not much influence for photo sensitivity possible. In the new sensor the material can be selected to get more equal sensitivity in all the colors. -> better color rendering
Hmm, now I have a dilemma with 35/1.4. This seems to open up Sigma 35/1.4 A-mount via LA-EA3 as a viable alternative to FE 35/1.4. Sigma is cheaper (even if you factor in 200$ adapter, which I would get anyway for SSM zooms), and not worse optically…
good news to get one macro lens not too pricey!! A way to get back money from the high price of the camera…
I am so glad I went with sony for my first dslr (a700) And I am even more happy I stayed with them. Things can only get better.
So to be clear – which is the best adaoptor for the A7r2 if I want to use my Carl Zeiss lenses? The LA-EA3 or the LA-EA4? I have the LA-EA4 which as far as I understood was the best choice for the A7r – do I now have to buy a new LA-EA3 adaptor if I step up to the A7r2? B&H lists the LA-EA3 at $198 and the LA-EA4 at $348, whats the difference …confusing….
Can someone give the definitive answer?
Just to add, the LA-EA1 adaptor which Sony says in its press release will work on the A7r2 is listed as discontinued.
So do the LA-EA3 and LA-EA3 work on different A mount lenses? – one best for A mount Sony the other for A mount Carl Zeiss / Sony?
Any answers???
sorry meant LA-EA3 and LA-EA4 re trying to work out difference
What’s hysterical to me is how some of the bloggers who are still die hard dslr guys are trying to down play the A7R MKII. Give it up boys, this thing is just way too amazing. Sooner or later, you’ll come around. Its inevitable…
2-3 years from now these A7x cameras will have blazing fast AF, EVFs with 5x magnification (like looking into an IMAX), and a huge selection of lenses. Sony is on the right track.
And there will also be A9x line to satisfy those who want larger and more ergonomic bodies with more controls and bigger batteries, more fps with faster usb/sd interfaces and dual card slots. Only a matter of time really.
If the A7R is already $3200… how much would an “A9X” be?
Circa $5000 would be my bet, well bellow D4s(5) and D1x(II) and high enough to distinguish from A7x.
If you expect feature set on par with top professional DSLRs for half the price, you will be dissapointed.
The new sensor looks promising. Improved AF will be slower then in DSLRs still. But it will be more accurate under good light. We will see how well SONY managed to process all the data from the AF points. But I do not like ergonomics of FE cameras.
If the 399 point OSPDAF can AF-C faster than 1Dx or D4s at indoor,
I will come around.
But I don’t think it will be.
At least the OSPDAF in A6000, which claim to be the world fastest AF, is no way close to the A77ii at indoor.
And I bet OSPDAF on a-mount lens with adapter will slower than the native e-mount lens.
D4s is 6000 usd, this is 3200. (the 1dx is 5300)
I think you are right it’s marketing and only fast in good light.
When Sony is ready to give me an easy way to use my A mount glass on E mount with a simple adapter and don’t sacrifice any AF performance over native A mount, I’m ready to jump board. Meanwhile they have time to come up with a proper adapter and A7M3 with a AF point selection joystick and half the price. And I’m sure, Sony will deliver next time – although I see a pattern that Sony will always deliver next time.
Sony should provide firmware update for A7 series to enable PDAF function with A-mount lenses when they are mounted on the camera using an LA-EA3 or LA-EA1 mount adapter.
If the AF story is true, this is goodbye SLR or SLT. About time!
Please don’t let it happen~
What is obsolete needs to go! A mount lenses can be used with the new mirrorless Alphas without any loss of AF speed provided they have a highspeed motor built in. For all others, you will have to use the adaptor with the translucent mirror built in turning the camera into an SLT.
I now await the IBIS + improved PDAF to trickle down into APS-C cameras. I really want a long tele, fast focus capability for BiF etc. where Sony lenses are either non-existent or too expensive, as compared to third party offerings on the A-mount and other systems.
Yeah. If the improved PDAF and IBIS are in the next APS-C – I’ll be immediately buying that body, an LA-EA3, and a Tamron 150-600.
One of the things I miss about my Pentax K-mount bodies (well, I still own it but don’t really MISS it) is my Bigma with in-body stabilization.
Cost more than Nikon D810…… Nikon quality > Sony still I’m afraid, it’s proven time and time again in both build quality and image quality.
If it wasn’t for Sony sharing sensor technology, Nikon would be out of business by now. The reason it costs more is because it is a better camera in every way, there is really no comparison.
any valid info about a7rII’s raw output?
14 bit vs 11+7 lossy?
In almost every way – it certainly lacks in battery life and dual card slots for backup, and probably in AF speed/tracking.
But consider this: With the 36Mpix sensor, Sony waited 1.5 years before putting it into their own camera, perhaps this was part of the agreement with the Nikon. This sensor, however, is first used on their own camera, and it is unclear if and when it will appear in either D810 successor or Nikon mirrorless. Things are obviously changing…
+1
The D810 is not a great example of AF speed and tracking, in all likelihood the A7rII will handily outperform it. Nikon is a couple generations behind in camera technology, putting this sensor in a Nikon body is the equivalent of putting a Ferrari engine in a 57 Chevy.
You probably didn’t use one. First we don’t now anything at all about how the A7rii really performs besides anecdotes. Given that it was slower than A7ii AF and gains only 40% compared to the A7r I heavily doubt that. We hear similar stories about world fastest AF all the time. Second, as I have the A7ii and D810, the D810 AF is excellent and better than Sony’s especially for AFC. I’m not sure a Nikon 1 is far behind. I think it was the _first_ system to have PDAF on sensor (I read an article about that recently. I try to find it again). Toshiba (D7200 and D71000) and Samsung especially are making last strides, too.
I use both system and know its strengths and weaknesses, your comment however sounds very fan-boyish.
true, d800/810 even d600 are fare away from a7r, 40/100 imporvement is not enough at all… I come from nikon, i dream about the a7r but if this 40% is true i think sony needs a few years more to catch up nikon af. But for myself it’s gonna be enough cause the a7r II is going far in manay other ways! Size, IS/OSS, silent shutter and vibration issue solved… well i don t dream anymore with nikon and this d810 3 years old camera. Well i don’t mean this is a bad camera of course but they are doing strange stuff, i dunno where they re going with their cameras…this a7r ii damn it’s a real new camera when you come from nikon!!
I am not hard-linked to a specific system, although I am a long-time Nikon user. If there is a better _system_ doing what I need (not as good but clearly better), I switch completely. So far I like using A7ii (mostly for portraits and wedding macro ring shots) or travel, but it is still not as reliable as I would like it to be, especially for weddings. The A7rii is looking great from a spec-sheet point of view. I will wait for people to test it thoroughly (Ir, DPreview,Thom Hogan) and if I see a benefit, I buy one. Using a 135/2 Canon with good AF on it would be great. I am really astounded (the first time) by what Sony tried here. The preordering of the Batis turns out to be a right decision.
the canon 135 heard a lot about it!!!
If it wasn’t for Nikon and others buying Sony sensors Sony would be out of busines by now!
Sony is the largest manufacturer of image sensors in the world, if Nikon wasn’t buying them someone else would. Sony doesn’t need Nikon to be successful, Nikon however is totally dependent on Sony for quality sensors. If Nikon were using in house sensors, Canon would eat their lunch. The Sony sensors are what keeps Nikon relevant in the camera business.
Up til recently, they probably needed each other. Without Nikon Sony would sell a lot less sensors, and without Sony sensors Nikon would fall way behind Canon.
But things are changing – it is probably Nikon who needs Sony more than other way around now.
Not true, if Nikon were to disappear other manufactures would pick up the slack left by their absence. And be using Sony (the best) sensors.
You write as if just because Nikon went away another company would magically appear to buy sensors. That’s a false assumption.
“AND OTHERS”
It would be helpfull if you actually read the comment before critisizing it!
That’s a ridicules scenario, lets keep it real Barry for the sake of argument.
Good idea
I will continue to post to keep it real as I always do.
You will continue to post just for the sake of argument as you always do.(*;
i think the d810 sensor is from nikon, but maybe they’re using sony pattern agrrement or something. But d800 and d810 don’t have the same sensor, i know it s weard… For now your first sentence doesn’t make sense but sony is in a better place for the future
that’s BS since Canon with inferior sensors has about 1.5x marketshare of Nikon… There are other suppliers of sensors, Aptina, Toshiba etc.
Yep completely right
Rather minor differences in IQ. I would expect this sensor to be better and I would gladly take an EVF, a swivel LCD and stabilization over some battery life, which can be worked around rather easily.
Yeah, build quality, let’s talking about oil… you know where this is going.
The debate is strong in this post~
Here is one meme made for the epic debate on the current state of camera industry~
Yep, this makes changing from A-mount to E-mount easy! My next camera will be a E-mount
IMPOSSIBLE, AGAINST THE LAWS OF PHYSICS, THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, CANON WILL SUE SONY!
I have been posting for exactly this…new typE of af on sensor pixel full af compatable with dslr lenses..ever since the first Nex camera came out.
These are almost exclusively the responses I have been getting that entire time …until yesterday!
It remains to be seen how good the AF really is in real life applications, but Sony has certainly pulled an unexpected rabbit out of the hat with those one!
Canon still might sue Metabones and it’s clones, however. But Sony does not care about that 🙂
Sony gains Camera sales, Canon gains lens sales…it all balences out…no one really benefits or loses….except the consumer who can now choose the products they want to buy rather than being forced to buy the product the manufacturers want them to buy.
The can of worms is open, and the worms will not crawl back in. This is in the best interest of consumers and consumers will demand it to continue.
Yep, all the “experts” informed us that IBIS and PD A/F was impossible in C-Mount cameras. They had me convinced. That is why I stuck with A-Mount. Now I’m waiting to see what this camera will do. 🙂
I will preorder this camera first and see what it will do later (*;
I think Sony wins more from it because Canon users with rich lens collections will buy new Sony camera rather than market newcomers buying Canon lenses for Sony bodies.
Canon will not gain lens sales from this. Why buy a canon lens to use with a third party adaptor which has an uncertain future. But some existing canon lens owners will probably buy the metabones adapter and a Sony a7xxxx
So I guess you’re not disappointed? I actually think the RX10m2 is one heck of a camera. Something that can put a real damper on GH4 sales. If it has reasonably good high ISO capabilities (getting close to the GH4), then there is a real market for a run and gun type camera with this kind of video capabilities. It is supposed to be faster in focusing, etc. We shall see. The RX10m2 could be a BIG winner for Sony.
I hope the A7000 has the same lens compatibility as the A7RII. That would be great. Although for those big lenses, I don’t mind a big camera body.
You were asking for a Sony branded Canon adapter with full AF and electronic communication. That hasn’t happened – Canon lens AF is reliant on third-party adapter support.
I asked for full compatability.. Sony has provide that.
I asked for an adapter…I do not care who makes it!
You argue for the sole purpose of arguing, and you have once again made no legitimate point.
So just enjoy the new camera and leave me alone.
Dear He Who Will Not Be Argued With,
No you didn’t, you asked for an adapter made by Sony. Plus, they haven’t provided full compatibility in any case, as they are reliant on third parties for electronic communication.
When people suggested to you that Canon would not let Sony support Canon lenses, you made no mention that the adapter could be made by somebody else. You specifically wanted modified Sony LA-EA adapters with Canikon support.
I argue with you because you say a lot of stupid things and spout a terrible amount of b*llocks, not for the sake of arguing. I could argue for the sake of arguing with anybody if I wanted.
I await the name-calling.
You are a totall as$, a true Candiru.
For years you relentlessly stalk,critisize and dispute every word I say no matter what.
Here where basically every major advancement I have been pushing fo for years occurs in this camera and you have been the most vocal cric against every one of these advancements,
You still jave the nerve to critisize based on some miniscule differrence between what you think I have been asking for and what is happening…
A differrence that you have invented and I have disputed on countless occasions.
I state emphatically this is the compatability I have been speaking abought for years and you are most definitely not qualified to dispute that!!!!!
Right on cue.
But you are wrong, I have never criticised advancement.
barry upvoting himself? :))
Always. Someone has to.
I don’t think fast focus with Metabones adapter would be possible unless Sony engineers intentionally made it so.
I continually talk about innovations long before they happen and long long long before most people are ready for them.
As a result I have been subjected to more criticizm than anyone else in the history of SAR.
Even when these things finally happen and everyone loves them
IBIS on E mount
Full autofocus compatability
Higher resolution
Focal plane shutter
BSI sensor
No more slt mirror
And lots more that have not happened yet..
My critics still persist..Lotus here is the most annoying example, but there are many others too.
These innovations are to the advantage of every SAR reader…even those most criticle of me.
Some words of support might not hurt…and mayby balence out some of the intense critisizm that is sure to follow this comment.
It doesn’t matter if A-Mount bodies go away if Sony provides a good transition for A-mount users. Native-like AF in a competitive FF body with an optional adapter accomplishes that — especially if this trickles down to lower models as they’re refreshed.
The one thing missing is support for screw-drive without an LA-EA2/4. What I’d really like to see is Sony to release two more adapters now. An (fairly inexpensive) LA-EA5 with no mirror, pass-through to the camera’s AF and a screw-drive motor (ideal for the a7rII). And a (more expensive) mirrored LA-EA6 with an AF mechanism at least up to par with the a77ii, for those who have other bodies.
They could even keep the LA-EA3 on the market as the cheapest option for people who don’t need screw-drive.
Sony’s a GOOD chunk of the way there to providing a seamless transition. But they should fill in those gaps. After all, there’s still a lot of needs E lenses just don’t fit yet. And it would be a shame for the solution to be “Oh, so buy a Canon lens and use the metabones instead” — leaving old-school Sony/Minolta users out to dry (though it’s awesome that high-performing CAnon will be an option, too).
You’re absolutely right! Sony needs to make the transition to FE mount seamless as possible and nobody cares about A mount dying. There’re already a good way in but not there. If I could mount any A mount on my new FE body with a little adapter and quick-select my AF points, I’m fine. I then can use my old A mount lenses without sacrifice but can also buy new FE lenses if size or image quality matters.
I think they’ll change the model naming. When you get to 8 or 9 adapters in the same series it starts to look like you don’t know what the f*** you are doing.
“We’ll deliver next time” Works for Apple.
If you are using SSM lenses, LAEA3. If you have screw drive lenses(85mm 135mm), LAEA4
LAEA4 will work well enough with both — as well as anything that came before. But it doesn’t sound like the 4 will pass-through to the a7rII’s native AF and it’s 399 AF points. Though I’d love to see Sony clarify what happens if you just pull the mirror out of a 4 on one of these bodies.
If you don’t need screw-drive, the 3 is probably the better option. Not having the mirror in the way will be a nice advantage, too. If you do, the 4. If you do and can afford it (hey, you’re considering a $3200 camera body), get both and use them in each situation.
sony need to make an adapter with screwdriver but not translucent mirror
Need a new weather resistant LA-EA 5 to match the new 1635 and 2470 F2.8 II
The toy camera has finally become a grown up camera.
I’m a Canon 5D series user. I want this new toy.
well…sorta.
I’m getting a A7rII, the poll didn’t say when though, maybe in 3 or 4 years when the price has come down some 😉
Which Zeiss lenses do you own? AF is possible on the LA-EA3 only if you own Sony SSM lenses, such as the 24/2, 16-35/2.8 and 24-70/2.8.
AF on LA-EA3 will not work for screw drive lenses such as the 85/1.4 and 135/1.8.
Looks like we have to develop a better technique for changing batteries during shootout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2KJHysK6k8#t=1m47s
I hope they go after the Nikon F-mount (G) user as well!
If I can put my collection of Nikon glass on this body and get good AF performance, you can TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Yeah – it’s crazy:
All world speaks about adapting lenses from Canon.
Or adapting lenses into E-Mount.
There are no AF-adapters for Nikon-lenses or Samsung bodies!
Can someone explain why there are no Nikon to E-mount AF-adapters?
Thanks
I know Metabones has one, but I’m waiting to see if AF works? Or if there will be a new adapter released that takes full advantage of the a7R II.
About a month or so ago, Nikon Rumors had a post about Nikon working on a new full-frame mirrorless camera. It would make sense if that used the same sensor with onboard PDAF for AF compatibility with existing F-mount lenses.
The FF mirrorless market is starting to look very interesting!
Have just visited metabones homepage – there are 4 Nikon->Emount adapters, but no one has electric connections nor a screw -> no AF
Simple. Canon EF-mount was the first fully electronic mount on the market – EF lenses have NO mechanical connections between the body and lens. EF mount screwdrive focus never existed to my knowledge. As a result, adapting EF-mount to other stuff requires no moving mechanical parts – just a fixed mount with the electronic contacts.
Similarly, with the exception of older screwdrive focus lenses, A-mount is fully electronic too. (This is why I believe the EA1/EA3 only work with newer SAM lenses for AF). Aperture is fully electronic.
Nikon and Pentax mounts still have mechanical aperture linkages, which greatly increases the complexity of an adapter. (Screwdrive is hard, the body side of mechanical aperture is even harder.) There are also far more screwdrive Pentax and Nikon lenses out there than for other mounts, as even now, Pentax continues to use screwdrive AF for their cheaper and smaller lenses.
Irrelevant. Third parties making adaptors might as well just omit the screwdriver. It’s probably Nikon lens-camera protocol is more difficult to reverse engineer.
Um, omitting the screwdrive and/or mechanical aperture linkage would result in an adapter that was not autofocus and/or lacked automatic aperture control. Who would pay for a fancy “smart” adapter that didn’t give them AF or aperture?
The A-Mount also has a mechanical aperture linkage. The Sony A-E mount adaptors require a motor to step down the aperture on the lenses
Interesting, I could’ve sworn the documents I saw indicated that it didn’t.
Either way – it’s an additional challenge for any company to add mechanical linkages in addition to electronic ones. As a result, Canon lenses are popular to adapt because they’re 100% electronic AND the protocol has been reverse engineered to a much greater degree than other mounts. (Partly because 100% electronic control makes it more popular for hobbyists/hackers.)
399 focal points— Cheapskates couldn’t make it 400 ?
19×21 and there is 1 point in the very center
400?? Who should use all that many points?
Couldn’t they squeeze in just one more AF point, only a little tiny thin one….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJZPzQESq_0
Yet you still would not be able to focus a lens to save your life.
nah, 400 is too much. 399 is just fine.
AFAIK there are never any even focal points in any system. Always odd.
9 point AF – Sony A200, A390 etc
11 point AF – Sony A700
15 point AF – Sony A55. A65
19 point AF – Sony A77
79 point AF – Sony A77 II
117 point AF – Sony A7 II
etc.
lloyd reports still 11+7 … sigh
I agree there will be another A-mount camera.
But if the OSPDAF is fast enough this new A-mount camera will maybe lack the SLT. Who knows… cheaper to manufacture and no light-loss anymore.
It will still have be an SLT. The OSPDAF is not especially great in low light and doesn’t work with screw driven lenses.
It is not yet clear if the new AF system will work with EA4 adapter and lenses like Zeiss 1,8/135
It will just use the LA-EA4’s standard PDAF points, will it not?
I hope I could use all 399 points across the frame instead of the flimsy 15 points out of which only the center point i s kind of accurate.
No the mirror is in the way. And I use 2 LAEA4 adapters which will be far less useful if I ever buy any future Sony camera with these sensor focus points.
The LAEA3 has the disadvantage of not offering AF for screw mount lenses.
So Sony will need a FIFTH adapter – LAEA5 which is like the LAEA4 but without the mirror and hopefully at a much cheaper rate.
Lol… the mirror doesn’t prevent using OSPDAF in any way. Camera body may choose to use OSPDAF or LA-EA4 focusing unit, what it will consider appropriate, or combination of both.
Hmm well lets hope so. Wouldn’t want my 2 adapters being useless with new tech.
I don’t think it’s possible to focus the screw driven lenses with on sensor PDAF even if the adaptor had an motor. But who knows.
Why not ? The difference between SSM motors and the screw drive motors is that the body needs to have a torque motor to drive the lenses.
Thats one the main reasons the LAEA4 adapter is so much bigger than the LAEA3 adapter as it has a motor built into the adapter since E mount bodies don’t use screw drive lenses.
It won’t. Zeiss 135/1.8 doesn’t even have SSM. And the new PDAF does not work with LA-EA4, only LA-EA3.
There must still be an A99II, but really…come on now…really? What could they possibly do with it. It would be this with a different mount. That’s silly.
Uhmmmm…. no. The Minolta 7000/9000 Maxxum were the first proper Amount cameras.
And just like before, Canon will soon answer with better more professional alternatve. Then there will be tons of a7xxx o/ the market for really great price.
Nope, its not a proper A-mount, if you need an adapter, then no! And no I dont plan on putting my Minolta 300mmF2.8 on it not my Minolta 600MM F2.8 on it either.
Sony should just give its users the option of shooting in 14 bit color even if at the expense of FPS. The weak spot of Sony’s cameras is the Bionz processor and all of the other tasks the camera is asked to do. Bad code ? I don’t know but the upgrades are clunky and my D810 can clear 10gb of files faster than the Sony can clear 2gb.
PS anyone else notice the new Leica Q only appears to go to 1/2000 ? That’s a problem for a camera with a 1.7 lens.
http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA2LzEwLzU0L2xlaWNhcTIuYjlmNzYuanBnCnAJdGh1bWIJMTIwMHg5NjAwPg/ddf60a17/4d8/leica-q-2.jpg
a7rii has 14bit raw, as listed on Sony website, see the spec section
I don’t know. I still use an 8 bit nintendo and it doesn’t bother me.
lol
HAHA!
I don’t think data transfer rates are comparable to colour depth :p
The Leica Q is 1/2000 mechanical leaf shutter and 1/16000 electronic. Which is why it has a – next to the 2000
Totally agree Sony should be giving users the option to shoot 14 bit. It’s the last thing holding these cameras back.
only 2% of users need lossless RAW
Can 14bit color be substantiated?
I mean, in all fairness, could we identify the differences when comparing samples from both systems?
Katsu/Max/Anton can’t, but he does have some pretty snazzy charts he drew in MS Paint.
are you seriously going to take thin DoF portraits with 28 mm lens?
Having it as a choice would be great. There are situations where more compression isn’t such a problem and others where it really is.
How long till it hits the 2k mark. Any guess folks? I’m thinking a year. Grey market should be about 500 less by the holidays. I think the magic number for most people here is 2k or 2200.00 tops.
Look at how prices of the A7S have held up. I think you’ll be waiting at least a year and a half to two years before this A7rII is near $2,000 even used on eBay
I bought the A7s for $2100 two months after it was released last summer. By November there will be plenty of barely used cameras available at a significant discount. Plus Sony always has bundle sales and windows where employees can buy at cost. So you see people selling a 10 NIB cameras for less than what used models sell for on places like Fred Miranda’s for sale board. A7II’s can be had for $1200.
After watching the way prices plummet after the A7’s were first released and buying/selling a few of them myself, it really doesn’t take long for prices to drop. I’m preordering the RX100 IV, but I’m waiting a few months after release to buy any more A7 bodies. People try out new cameras and dump them quickly, its almost become a sport.
Will drop some after early adopter rush is over, probably to under 3k.
But unlikely to drop much after that, up until next generation is ready. Look at how A7s is holding it’s value, even used.
Unless there is another dramatic leap in technology, next generation for these might actually take longer than this.
You can buy a new A7s from ebay for $2020 .. That is about $500 less
I don’t think it’s holding the value , you can buy it from grey market for even much less
The big guess is by end of year :/
Let’s say it’s a hope too 😉
You’re dreaming! A7S didn’t drop that quickly, and something this unique and valuable won’t drop quickly either.
Look at what Canon is offering for the 5DS for nearly $4000 and you’ll quickly see that A7RII is a steal priced as-is.
@SAR_Admin
1. Even it its not refering to the topic what is next ?? A7000, RX 2, Sony A7sII, new batis wide angle lens….???And when of course?? Announcement at the beginning of September it will be the end of Q3….pushing sales/financial report of Q3 with preoders of the new models listed above???
2. Could you make a new entry with the latest update of lens roadmap for FE Mount? What is jnown /expected so far? I heard one more Batis wide angle lens (I guess wider than the 25/2 Batis thought) at least this year….are there new loxias coming as well wider and more tele??
What are known about the 8 missing fe mount lenses until end of 2016? Will they include the batis and loxia lines??
Sony is on the right track definetely they do not need a lot more to seriously impact CANIKON….
What I miss or would still wish from the Sony A7rII is…
touchscreen
dual sd card slot UHS II standard
wifi ac standard
usb 3.0 standard
gps built in
electronic shutter going up to 1/32000 (e.g. xt1)
Hi Res mode like OMD EM5 II and pentax k series
better more durable battery (but you could carry some not a major problem)
But they still need some things to improve and for the 3rd generation…..;)! Excited if a SOny rx2 is still coming as well and what the sony A7sII will likely have as new stunning innovations/features…..
general things Sony has to fix to be the King is:
– Pro Service for PROS….
– better, more durable battery
– please its nonsense to have the best sensors even with bsi and then crippling it by still using 11+7 bit lossy bit raw format –> implementation of true14 native lossless raw files/format is highly seeked
– higly seeked by pros as well: external, wireless triggers and new better flashes, improve sonys flash system in general canikon has the edge here…
– concentrate on fe lenses in general, fast 2.8 zooms, ultrawide angle lenses, longer telephoto lenses, teleconverters, longer macro lenses, and the special purposes lenses are missing tilt and shift lenses, fisheyes
– dont sell unique or your best sensors to competitors and use the best sensors only on your cameras it will hurt your sensor sales/division and financail report on the short term but on the long term you will benefit…..CaNikon and others pentax, olympus will get in serious trouble…..and nikon may be the first of the two big who will dissapear on the longterm view due to the fact that they only produce cameras, lenses and binoculars……olympus even much earlier than nikon and pentax….well who knows….Ricoh GR and Pentax 645Z medium format series are their only hotsellers….
Keep it up Sony, go forward even further….excited times for photographers with reagrd to gear at least not from income sadly;)….
No 14bit uncompressed raw.- Most don’t seem to care.
Focus most likely comparable to beginner dslr.- 3.5x faster than A7R. How much do you need?
No dual card support- Yes, agreed.
No native long lenses- It’s a compact system camera. You talking a niche of a niche. It’s still more desirable to use a crop given the pixel pitch- which is why pro’s are still mounting crop bodies on 10k lenses.
No native tilt and shift lenses- Ok.
No native true macro lenses- What do you mean by true?
No super wide aperture native lenses- Ok.
No wide aperture zoom lenses- Meh.
No native radio controlled flash options- Plenty of solid 3rd party choices.
No GPS- No comment.
Poor battery life- Grip if need be. But yeah.
Most likely poor sealing- Don’t know yet.
I feel that this camera was not made to be replaced in 1 year like it’s sisters.
3 years should be the camera life in FF e-mount
I’m totally broke :/
12-18 months is all we can expect. Sony is clearly trying to crush other mirrorless mfgr’s by updating its line with any new tech. By the end of the year I’m sure we’ll see the A7sII and maybe even the A7III – while the original versions still being sold at much lower prices.
Agree
Even if it is not my dream camera and despite the fact it is way more expensive, it is the only one I consider to buy from A7 line. All others should be replaced as soon as possible, cause they are just compromise-crap:
A7S: no internal 4K
A7ii: outdated sensor
A7R: Shut-tt-t-ttter shoc-c-c-kkc-k
I totally agree. But I still find the cameras too small if used with a large f/2.8 lens. We need a new a-mount FF camera with this sensor! I don’t need to be able to mount canon, nikon or whatever lens I can mount on the FE mount. I only have a-mount lenses.
+1
Well I still use my a900 which is 5 years old and of little value nowadays. But it still makes beautiful image files. Of course Sony would love people to buy new cameras all the time.
“Of Little Value”?
To this day the a900 is sells for ~$1000 on the used market. Perhaps we have different notions of value, but I find ways to put $1000 to good use.
Sure A900 is still a great camera , But when I said A7R II life is 3 years I meant that Sony might not release the next A7R II successor next year like they did with A7R.
That doesn’t mean A7R II will replace their cameras after 3 years
I like what you’re thinking, but Sony is pushing how fast the AF is with DSLR lenses. IMO this is a clear sign that the A-mount is no more. All the growth for Sony is with FE lenses and the various A7’s. I think they add 4DAF to the lower MP bodies and keep refining integration with A-mount lenses while quietly letting the Axx cameras disappear. The lack of lens development is another sign. Sony is going all-in with FF mirrorless, everything else is yesterdays news.
Nobody is saying that the days of DSLRs are numbered, or even SLT cameras for that matter. However, we still don’t have full-time continuous AF tracking without a dedicated PDAF sensor as implemented in SLT cameras, and I’m still confident we will see very high spec professional A-mount bodies this September.
If the adaptors for A-mount work as well as they are suggesting, then the auto-focus fully-usable lens collection just quadrupled (at least) for E-mount, when these updates make it to APS-C.
It will not work on screw driven lenses.
Currently. No reason it can’t though.
Yet.
42mp and faster AF with the new A7rII is reason enough to update the lenses. I’d like to see a new A99 with all the A7rII’s specs, but I don’t think that’s ever going to happen.
Very few sports shooters use Sony, despite all the advantages and CaNikon has a better selection of long glass. Sony lacks the 1dx/D4x competitor. This isn’t their game and they know it.
Very few people care about uncompressed RAW. Sony just needs to make sure they’re are no issues with their own compressed logarithm.
Focus is unknown but by the sounds of it better than anything else.
Dual cards are useful, but wifi has more potential for redundancy,
Lens support can be offset by 3’rd party manufacturers. Though Sony seems to be doing a very good job at building their own lineup.
GPS can be useful though I’ve never used it on my existing camera.
Battery life could be improved with better batteries.
No mention of sealing, though I’m thinking this would be unlikely with 3’rd party lenses.
As for DSLR’s, the end is inevitable.
Now if only Sony would create their own adapters to work with other cameras like Nikon… I’m pretty sure that with Nikon using the same f-mount for nearly 50 years that all the patents on it are expired and they wouldn’t even need to pay any license fee.
The Nikon mount like the Pentax mount is an electro-mechanical mount which introduces a whole lot of problems to overcome. The Canon mount is purely electronic. There is no mechanical coupling which makes designing adapters easy.
I’m looking forward to either the A7sII or the A99II. 12mp suits my needs in many circumstances, and 24 exceeds in all but missed shots/ bad composition. My main issues with the A7s has been battery life, and af speed. From the tech displayed by these cameras, Sony is knocking on the door of a 12 mp camera that shoots 24fps.
If usb-c was on a camera like that, it’d be a camera that could be rigged to compete with some of Red’s offerings.
Alternatively, shooting stills tethered via usb-c would greatly enhance one of my most profitable workflows. The current tethering is noticeably slow.
That said, just boosting the scan speed/rate is at least going to fix the jello output on the a7s, which is a welcome improvement.
I doubt they will 1/2 the resolution of the next 9 series, but they will likely get close to the sensitivity range of the A7S at 24 MP and continuous will likely be 10-16 FPS. Probably an advanced version of the A77II module with more cross points coupled with wide OSPDAF as implemented on A7RII and A6000. New A99 series camera is a going to be incredible & worth the wait!
I’m thinking of two different cameras. I hope you’re right about the next a9x series. The a7s has worked well as a “b”/ walk around/ video camera for me, and I can envision the next iteration of these cameras improving this symbiotic relationship in Sony’s camera lineup.
I’m sure there will be two cameras as well: 24 MP and 42 MP, but I don’t see any reason for Sony to go backwards.
If the A7sII were a 12 mp bsi stacked sensor, it could put out 4k 60 fps raw, possibly. Then you’d have 14 stops of DR at any ISO. Rig that to a 2TB ssd, and you have image performance rivaling an F5, but with full frame dof.
Not to mention the lighting industry is going to have a tougher time hawking its wares. Heh.
I could see them doing that for the A7SII. Makes no sense for A-mount.
I’ve seen Sony going in this direction for a while. Eventually creating enough lens compatibility that stand-alone A-mount would simply be superfluous.
I am curious how the Af will work in low light. But in normal light, this really could be a superior AF system to dSLT/dSLR: Wider coverage area (than any full frame dSLR on the market), greater accuracy (no back or front focusing), superior tracking (by utilizing the full sensor readout). The only question mark would be low light.
As I’ve been saying for the last 6-12 months, as the differences between A-mount and E-mount disappear, the A-mount becomes totally superfluous, and there will be no point to stand-alone A-mount cameras. Even the size difference between the A7rII and a dSLR are not that huge, and you could always upsize an E-mount body — I still expect to eventually see an “A9” — Perhaps it will be an A99 styled body, with dual slots, etc… but an E-mount. Perhaps packaged with a new LAEA5 adapter. So that the camera looks like A-mount, but can effectively be E-mount natively, or A-mount with a simple adapter.
There really is little reason for Sony to continue native A-mount.
Don’t be so quick to write it off. The new native A-mount lenses haven’t even shipped yet.
The problem is tracking which is why Sony was careful to not market this as 4DAF! Currently, SLT cameras are still the only cameras to provide true full time continuous AF as the dedicated PDAF sensor never looses light.
We’ll definitely see another round of native A-mount and it’s going to be incredible.
Take a look at the sample tracking video they posted… They might not market it as 4D, but they are clearly claiming great tracking ability. It appears that it should certainly subject track better than the A99 (with such limited AF coverage, it can only track a teensy bit off center!)
But not even close to A77II, which the new A99-series camera will improve upon.
Let’s hope. With this much sunk into the A7RII and I’m sure upcoming A7SII- I’m doubting Sony is vamping up a major A mount push.
I don’t see it that way — I see it as a total system push with options to support every need. The system feels increasingly modular, with more flexibility and that’s a good thing. A-mount bodies still support a need which is why I suspect there will still be more of them.
What’s the need that CAN’T be technologically supported by E-mount?
Bigger bodies? An E-mount body could be upsized if the market really wants it.
More telephoto lenses and 2.8 lenses? Well, apparently they now may work just as well on E-mount as A-mount with a simple adapter.
Getting to the point where AF on mirrorless is BETTER than dSLR/dSLT AF. (wider coverage, better tracking, more accurate).
there are fears that E-A adaptors are mechanically weaker than native A mount body.
An irrational fear with no objective evidence supporting it? I dont see tons of adapters snapping in half when attached to a lens.
So much arguments on this ? What exactly are you going to use on the A6000 to shoot sports ? Is there any native lens > 300mm ??? Any telephoto lenses > f4 ? 😛
And if you use an LAEA4 adapter you lose all your AF abilities.
The A6000 is a great camera but its hardly a sports camera with its non existent tele lens selection
That’s the whole point — The current advancement with the A7rii, improving upon the A6000. You no longer NEED the LAEA adapter, and therefore no longer need a native lens.
You can use the Canon 100-400, or the Sony 80-400, or the Sony 70-200/2.8, all without losing autofocus performance.
No body has any clue on the performance of the A7rII with other lenses especially with something as advanced as tracking. Lets wait and see before jumping to conclusions.
I don’t shoot with E-mount cameras due to reduced battery life, inferior AF tracking, inferior continuous shooting rate and weak ergonomics. My A-mount SLT cameras are rugged work horses and very dependable. I don’t have to worry about shooting with them or having a silly adapter — everything just works perfectly and that’s the most important thing for me, being a professional photographer.
Not having to worry or think about gear, and being 100% focused on the image is key.
That’s all well and good….. Unfortunately, it’s not all true.
Reduced battery life — True. But NOT a technological limitation — Sony could easily just design a bigger battery for E-mount. If reduced battery life was such a huge concern for you, you should switch away from the reduced battery life of SLT, and go to dSLR.
Inferior AF tracking? Simply false. Was true a couple years ago. But now the newest E-mounts have SUPERIOR tracking.
Inferior speed? Not really. The A6000 is just as “speedy” as the A77ii. And the new A7rii is pretty close in speed to the A99.
Weak ergonomics? Well, that’s subjective. So you can’t really be right or wrong. One person may prefer the ergonomics of a Canon, some may prefer an A-mount, some may prefer an A7, some may prefer an A6000.. each has different ergonomics.
But again, this is NOT a technological issue:
So speed and AF tracking are simply false. You are left with battery performance (which is also pretty bad in SLTs to start with), and *different* ergonomics.
I don’t need to defend nor justify my decisions as a photographer, and have nothing to say to you.
No you don’t. And you also don’t need to spout out false or unfounded statements. If you choose to contribute to a discussion, contribute with honesty. For example, you might honestly stay, “The AF tracking on the A77ii is fantastic, and I DON”T KNOW if it is as good or better in mirrorless” — Because YOU DON’T KNOW. Yet, with zero evidence, and zero foundation, you claimed it is better than mirrorless.
I DO NOT CARE.
Adam, i think that A photographer is not false.
While A6000 has super AF for mirrorless which is on par with A77ii but only in good light situation. When there is not so much light, A6000 is going strugle while A77ii works in same speed.
Tracking is in A6000 super too, but is technology limited. A77ii will be allways better in tracking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBWL_UVUS8
I can say this, because i had A6000 and A77ii together and after 3 months a sell A6000 because A77ii is better in AF, especially in low light.
It is nothing against mirrrles, only technology is not there yet. 😉
He was quite false to make a generic statement of “no where close”– and then used a soccer match as an example (typically very good light).
Yes, there are *some* circumstances where the A77ii is currently superior to the A6000. And there are *some* circumstances where the A6000 is better.
Now, will the A77ii “always” be better in low light tracking than mirrorless? I doubt that. Look at the strides in mirrorless AF over the last few years… It went from being vastly inferior, to actually being superior in many ways already.
Yep, last three years was big step in mirrorless AF and if it will continue we can have in few years, maybe next year, better mirorless AF than SLT or SLR. 🙂
Good light.
I strongly doubt new A99 will ever appear.
They wouldn’t be shipping new A-mount lenses without native bodies to support them, nor would they have just held a press conference two months ago stating their continued support.
This camera DOES support A-mount, kinda. And it’s much simpler for them to offer a huge lens selection to customers by making the old lenses compatible, then re-designing all of them for E-mount.
They haven’t shipped a new native A-mount body in over a year now. So we are already there.
Believe whatever you want. I’m not going to argue with you.
I agree. Sony still has big things planned for A-mount. They don’t want to lose the Minolta heritage and their strong base of A-mount enthusiasts.
Not even close to the A77ii??? What makes you say that? Dpreview found the A6000 tracking focus to be BETTER than the A77ii. We don’t know about the A7rii, but if it matches the A6000, then it should surpass the A77ii.
The DPREVIEW critic didn’t know how to use the A77II AF system — he had all of his AF settings set wrong — literally ALL OF THEM!
Trust me, I’m a full time professional sports photographer who also shoots ad campaigns when I get them. If A77II didn’t perform so well, believe me, I would have trashed it months ago! It’s the some of the most accurate AF tracking I’ve ever seen in a camera, but it is different than anything implemented before and there was a bit of a learning curve. I had horrible results before I learned how to use it.
Imaging-resource reached the same conclusion… Every professional objective review has reached the same conclusion.
Yep, I read the review and his settings were also set wrong. For shooting, cycling should always be set to Zone. He had it set to Lock-On Expand Flexible Spot.
If I didn’t value my privacy from the trolls on this forum, I could show you literally thousands of photos I have shot with that camera that are tack-sharp from pro cycling to soccer and rugby. The camera works incredible once you learn how to use it.
Yes, you can take thousands of photos that are tack sharp. And you can also take thousands of tack sharp photos with the A6000. Let me guess, you don’t keep the missed focus shots?
Objective reviewers compare cameras to each other. Yes, the A77ii AF may indeed work pretty darn well. But the AF tracking on other cameras, including some mirrorless cameras, is even better!
Adam, I’m not going to argue with you. I’m a full time professional sports photographer. I’m not married to the A77II. My average hit rate is north of 80% with that camera. If It didn’t work, I wouldn’t use it. Simple as that.
WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT ME TO SAY?
And my hit rate is well above 80% with the D750. But that’s not the point…. I didn’t deny that the AF on the A77ii “works.”
You claimed that the tracking ability of the A6000/potential A7rii is no where close to the A77ii. You have no basis for that statement. So I simply don’t want you to make baseless statements.
Yes, the tracking AF on the A77ii works. And it works even better on other cameras, including the A6000 and maybe the A7rii.
AGAIN, AND FOR THE LAST TIME, THE CRITICS DID NOT SET A77II AF MODES CORRECTLY IN EITHER REVIEW, WHICH OBVIOUSLY LEAD TO POOR RESULTS. If we saw a review by a critic who knew how to use the A77II AF system, the results would be completely different. Sony themselves wouldn’t suggest A6000 outperforms A77II, because it doesn’t. Even Gary Fong strongly suggests using A77II over A6000 for sports and released a video on YouTube shooting soccer with A77II and getting a 100% hit rate, and FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE IT IS THAT GOOD.
This being said, I wouldn’t be caught dead trying to shoot sports with an A6000 regardless of AF because of ergonomics. I couldn’t even begin to hold that with my 70-200/2.8 let alone my 300/2.8.
I just looked at my photos from Saturday’s match. Of the action photos I shot, I had 1922 images out of 2000, tack sharp. All shot on A77II with 70-200/2.8 G2 and 300/2.8 G2. In case you don’t want to do the math, that’s a 96% hit rate.
A77II doesn’t just “work.” It works amazingly well and I look forward to seeing what Sony has their up their sleeves for A-mount users this fall.
First off — They didn’t set the modes incorrectly for tracking.
Secondly, Sony DOES claim amazing performance — Go find me where they claim that the A77ii tracks better than the A6000? You won’t find it anywhere!
Go find where Gary Fong claims the A77ii tracks better than the A6000? Again, you won’t find it anywhere.
Everyone who has done side by side comparisons, claims that the A6000 has superior AF tracking. You have never done any such side by side comparison. You can’t point to a single professional review that backs you up.
Now shoot side by side that soccer match with someone using the A6000. How do you know they won’t get an even HIGHER hit rate? Maybe they will get 98%? How do you know they won’t?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
For that matter, we are talking about tracking AF. Not continuous AF, which is very different. Subject tracking. Were you even using a subject tracking mode, or a simple depth continuous AF mode?
Download the Sony A77II 4D AF Settings manual yourself and you’ll find that they set it wrong in virtually every scenario in both reviews.
I’m not going to waste anymore time trying to convince you. Believe what you want. Shoot with what you want. I do not care.
Gary Fong says it on video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MatQlLsguTU
He says it again elsewhere too. It’s not hard to find.
Lol. You may want a better source. First off, he is only talking about fastest AF frame rate 12 fps vs 11 fps. He actually never comments on actual focus tracking quality, etc. More importantly, he demonstrates his total ignorance a few times — like When he claims that the original a77 could only do 12 fps in manual focus!!!!! I am absolutely dumbfounded that he didn’t even know that.
Just again on the point — YES.. Sony does claim the AF of the A6000 is superior:
“boasting the world’s fastest AF performance”
“It’s an unprecedented combination of speed and frame coverage”
https://blog.sony.com/press/sony-electronics-introduces-the-versatile-%CE%B16000-interchangeable-lens-camera-with-worlds-fastest-autofocus-system1/
And here is a review that did test them side by side:
For autofocus “there is no clear winner”
https://www.wimarys.com/sony-a77ii-vs-a6000/
Adam, are you deaf? I just got a 96% hit rate. Are you telling me to trust some amateur camera critics over my personal experience as a full time working pro? Do really expect me to change my tool of choice when I’m getting such amazing results?
Your opinion means nothing to me.
When I used the A6000, I got a 98% hit rate.
I didn’t say you should change your tool. I said you shouldn’t talk out of your _______
Do not claim the A77ii af tracking is BETTER than another camera, when you have zero experience with which to make that conclusion, and you can’t cite a single piece of evidence to support that conclusion.
I can have experience driving a Porsche… and I can say it has a top speed of 110 miles per hour. But how would I know whether the Ferrari is faster or not? If I read reviews, and the reviews say the Ferrari is 120 mph… Can I still just say, “No… My Porsche is faster!!!!”
I don’t believe anything you say.
I have use both A6000 & A77ii at the same time.
I can honestly tell you that both camera AF great at good lighting.
But for indoor sport event, the A77ii AF-C much better than A6000.
..
I am not the only one saying that,
I suggest you go to dpreview forum, there are many people who own both camera and they all agree with this finding.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55946457
Yes… that’s true. You’re not the only one saying it. There is EVIDENCE to support it. Other people, including professional reviews, have reached the same conclusion in side by side testing.
But one wouldn’t say that the A6000 tracking is no where close to the A77ii. It’s far more complicated than that — It’s more like, in normal and good lighting, the A6000 has superior tracking and even more accurate AF. In lower levels of lighting, the A6000 hunts more and the A77ii becomes more reliable.
That would be a true statement.
Yes, I agree with you 🙂
IMHO, the word “tracking” cause a lots of misunderstanding.
Because it can either mean “X-Y plain object tracking” or “Z-depth tracking”.
I agree that A6000 is better at recognize object, I think mainly because it is design for CDAF, it need to keep reading the sensor at high frame rate.
But for me, I prefer use center AF point or flexible spot AF.
“Z-depth tracking” is more important for me, especially shooting indoor sport with F2.8 zoom lens, which the DOF can be shallow.
According to Rishi (Dpreview Reviewer),
“A77ii (Depth-tracking) performs very well, as we explicitly state, and as we’d expect of a dedicated PDAF system.
Single point AF-C, the a77 II is excellent. We specifically mentioned this, btw, as we saw it keeping up in this regard with a 1D X.”
Yes, that’s all true. I always found the depth tracking on the A99 to be “ok”.. not stellar. But I believe it is much improved in the A77ii.
Imaging-resource reviewer was using the old firmware,
Depreview has state that the new firmware, make a huge improve in AF speed & accuracy.
Not true…. Imaging resource re-tested:
“However, when we here at IR re-tested the updated camera on a relatively fast-moving subject using a variety of autofocus modes, including standard center-point AF and the new Zone AF mode, as well as factoring in other focus-optimizing settings, we unfortunately didn’t find the keeper rate to be much-improved compared to what John Shafer experienced with the older firmware.”
And dpreview continued to find that while depth tracking was equally good as any camera, it’s subject tracking still lagged behind the A6000.
From dpreview:
“If we were to sum it up, the camera’s subject tracking algorithms seem too easily confused, and too eager to jump off to a different subject. It’ll often return to your subject, but that eagerness to jump off to a different AF point (that isn’t on your subject), which also means jumping off to a different focus distance, often leads to out-of-focus shots at the moment of capture. This happened far more frequently than we’ve experienced in cameras with better subject tracking, including Nikon’s 3D tracking, as well as Sony’s own subject tracking in its a6000/5100 mirrorless cameras.”
Dear Adam Brown,
Just want to ask you a simple question,
Have you tried it yourself?
Have you used both of the camera at the same time?
I can honestly tell you that the A77ii is far better than A6000,
in term of AF, Z-depth tracking at indoor. (Light level 5~7EV)
Dpreview’s reviewer has explained it in their forum,
A6000 may have better object Lock (X-Y plain tracking) than A77ii,
but for Z-depth tracking the dedicated AF in A77ii is still far better than A6000 at indoor lighting.
All those statements may be true… and are indeed supported. The statement that “A6000 tracking is no where close to A77ii” is false — You are getting more specific, and more accurate.
In normal lighting, subject tracking on the A6000 is superior to the A77ii.
In low level lighting, using depth tracking on the A77ii is better than the A6000.
That is a nuanced and TRUE statement. As opposed to a generalized and FALSE statement that “A6000 tracking is no where close to the A77ii”
“and there will be no point to stand-alone A-mount cameras”
That doesn’t mean by extension that there will be no point to new A-mount lenses though. They may be able to achieve things with the extra flange distance of A-mount that is either too expensive or difficult with E-mount limitations.
A6000 has 179 AF points and from the tests done available on the internet I think that results with Metabones adapter are not so fast. Ok, 399 AF points are much more, but I guess that the adapter takes an important role here, don’t it?
They are a different kind of AF points.
I know, but I was talking about Phase Detection ones.
A6000 –> 179 phase detection points ans 25 contrast detection points
A7R –> only contrast detection points, ¿25?
A7RII –> 399 phase detection points, don’t know if has contrast ones
I think the phase detection points on the A6000 only work with certain lenses though, don’t they? Maybe A7rII works all the time?
I use the same Metabones adapter they are talking about being super quick on the A7rII on the A6000, and it’s slow. If the A6xxx had that feature and IBIS, I’d move to it in a heart beat.
There is SOMETHING different about the A7RII’s PDAF points and the A6000’s PDAF points that has NOTHING to do with the Metabones adapter.
You need to pay attention to Sony’s press release. Specifically the advertised improvements in A-mount compatibility when using the LA-EA1/EA3. This adapter has the SAME limitations as the Metabones adapter on the A6000. Those limitations *somehow* disappear with the A7RII.
The improvements with the Metabones are just a side effect of the EA1/EA3 compatibility improvements.
Hope you are right, will see on future tests.
I don’t think the Metabones adapter even uses the PDAF points on the A6000, does it? I’d have thought it would be using CDAF only. Could be wrong.
It could be, that’s why I was asking too. But I guess that the thing here is about the interface speed between the body, the adapter and the 3rd party lens focus drive response.
On the A6000, when you attach an adapter, you don’t get the hybrid AF at all. It doesn’t even use those 179 points. The A7rii is the first camera that will actually USE those points.
These are most likely totally different AF systems (a6000 vs a7RII).
Just adding PDAF doesn’t mean a camera will work well with SLR lenses. The system has to be designed to work with specific lens.
Remember that stepper and DC (“continuous”) motors work in totally different way.
Of course PDAF helps, but essentially it means that a7RII sends instructions similar to the ones an SLR/SLT camera would send.
The possible reason for this change is that Sony started to use a linear motor (35/1.4, Direct Drive SSM) which is very similar to Canon USM (it uses a rod instead of a ring).
So in some way it is a step back, but “back” is the right direction this time. 🙂
To answer the admin’s question, I think the future of a mount is looking just fine. Sony is not stupid enough to believe that a-mount folks are going to be happy using their a-mount lens via an adapter. Many would likely say “goodbye Sony, hello Canon (or Nikon).”
goodbye BrianK, hello a7rII!
I agree 100%. A7RII looks incredible, but it’s not for sports.
it’s silly to compare FF camera to APS-C one…
we still have to see what next A6xxx will bring us
In this situation, it is the ONLY thing we have to compare as it represents Sony’s most current released advancements in A-mount.
For now, A7r sounds alright for casual use. A 40% AF speed improvement from atrocious AF, doesn’t make it an awesome AF.
We will see how it performs when it reaches reviewers.
Well, yes and no. Most of us A mounters are using screw drive lenses. So the LAEA3 is appealing to like…a subset of a subset of A mount users. For A mount to survive, they need a complete rebranding strategy along with new bodies. I so hope it happens but what…what could they possibly do other than wrap this camera in an A99 shell.
We need a lower megapixel version with a faster continuous frame rate. 10 FPS minimum.
That would be a start, but I am inclined to believe they will do more. Many of us our sports photographers. The a77II is capable of 12fps raw images. The a99 replacement is going to have to at least equal that, but I think they will go farther in that and other respects. More room allows for greater flexibility. Also, an a99 replacement would not be hobbled by the need to use an adapter. But if you think this new camera is pricey, wait to see what Sony is going to charge for the new a99 . . . ouch!
And I have to buy two of them. Double ouch!
My condolences. (I’m already saving.)
You know, I can’t really complain. Been begging for a Sony competitor to Canon 1D series for AGES. Looks like I’ll finally get my wish!
If I can do bird photography with my canon glass and have good to great AF, I will be buying this camera. Im excited for youtube videos to start popping up. Sony should make their own Eos to Sony adapter.
As a 5D3 and A7ii owner who tried to dabble in all types of photography, I am really excited about the new PDAF technology and the the viewfinder upgrade is awesome too. I owned the Fuji xt-1 before going to Sony and I can tell you that .71x to .78x is a substantial difference. The Fuji had .77x and it felt like the old Minolta SLRs with the huge viewfinders.
One of the issues that Sony didn’t seem to address is the AF Point Selection. I hope that they refine the body style to add a joystick similar to the 5D3 or do at least to the same firmware fix that Fuji did allowing you to use the d-pad with one click adjustment of the AF point. The back button AF needs refinement as well.
Yes, the XT-1 VF is great, it really seems huge. I’m really looking forward to this one.
A7s
S meaning stacked sensor
Do you remember all these conservative f*****ts saying E-mounts cannot focus with SLR lenses because um um “physics”?
Fatcats?
Fascists?
Let’s see how it works in reality before we jump to any conclusions.
If you listen to people who don’t know physics, you get this impression afterwards. That’s unnecessary.
Previous E-mount cameras didn’t work well with SLR lenses, because their AF wasn’t optimized for typical SLR motors. Nothing changes here, these claims were correct.
a7RII allegedly *is* optimized to work with SLR lenses, so it will. But that might also mean it will be slower with E-mount lenses built around a stepper motor. That’s exactly what happened in Olympus E-M1.
It’s the incompatibility of design in lenses, that makes it hard for body to work well with both types.
Nikon did something different in their 1-series. The AF design is similar to the one in DSLRs. 1-series bodies focus quickly with all AF-S lenses. It is believed that they plan to do the same thing in larger sensor mirrorless. We’ll see what happens.
It doesn’t have to be slower with E-Mount lenses. It’s not that big of a problem to make a Bios chip should large enough to hold 2 focusing algorithms… All camera has to know is whether the currently mounted lens is E-Mount or not.
People were saying E mounts cannot focus with SLR lenses using CURRENT technology. The A7rII is using brand new tech on many levels – back illuminated sensor (worlds first 35mm back illuminated sensor), 1st 35mm sensor camera with internal 4k recording, largest EVF etc etc including its on sensor PDAF which is brand new tech
No, that’s what the optimists were saying. Conservatives were saying that OSPDAF sucks by definition.
btw
it’s not worlds first 35mm BSI sensor, it’s just first time when such sensor used in a consumer camera
So to use this camera with screw focus A-mount lenses you just get an LA-EA4 and remove the mirror? Seems odd we’d need to do a mod to make it compatible with all A-mount lenses. I’m still waiting for A99II. And to the ‘tard mirrorless fan boys, yes there will be a new A-mount 9 series.
Who said anything about modifying it? The way I understand it, is AF will work together with the AF module in LA-EA4, but with the advantage of being able to use the additional OSPDAF in-camera.
Well I stand corrected on the idea of removing the mirror. This post on dyxum (http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a7rii_topic112978_page3.html) explains, “The LA-EA4 disconnects the camera’s focusing circuits and substitutes its own. Remove the mirror, and you will have no AF at all.” But on sensor PDAF will not work with the mirror there correct? So to get optimal AF with both screw drive and SSM (& SAM) A-mount lenses you need both LA-EA3 and LA-EA4? That doesn’t seem like a very elegant solution to me. Native A-mount is really the way to go for A-mount users.
Correct.
Okay cool. Got it lol. 🙂 So the camera plus both adapters is $3750. Good grief huh. You could buy 2 new A99’s or 4 used A900’s for that. Those could last a lifetime! lol It still a cool camera though for what it is and I like all the new tech in it. It’s probably Sony’s secret weapon to gather up all the Canikon people and then force them to A-mount later on. hehe 🙂
A FIFTH adapter could also be coming. A LAEA5. Looks like the LAEA4 but without the mirror and hopefully half the cost. 🙂
Really? Has there been any info on it? That would make things a little less confusing.
No idea actually. But it seems logical to me. With the SLT mirror in the LAEA4 adapter it will override the AF functions of the camera body. And the LAEA3 adapter works great with lenses that have a built in motor but don’t work with screw drive lenses which Sony has plenty.
That’s what I’m guessing, though I doubt it’ll be half the cost.
Of course not ! Its got everything the LAEA4 will have including the bulky torque motor to drive screw lenses and only the cheap plastic SLT mirror will be missing. It will probably be the same price as the existing LAEA4 adapter. I was merely doing wishful thinking. 🙁
I don’t think it’ll be possible to use both. The LA-EA4 will deactivate the on-sensor AF.
Removing the mirror won’t help, as the LA-EA4’s PDAF module will still be active. It just won’t work because it won’t be getting any light.
Good way to waste $380.
In theory it’s possible… but I am 99% sure it won’t happen.
There are adaptors which allow to use any DSLR lens as tilt-shift which isn’t possible on a DSLR…
Canon has just become another lens manufacturer for Sony.
And now instead of using the mediocre Zeiss FE 24-70 f/4…
People can start using the well proven Canon 24-105 f/4L IS, or EF-mount Sigma/Tamron 24-70 f/2.8 with OS or VC …..
or the not mediocre zeiss 24-70 f/2.8, stay away from that tamron…
As per Kurtmunger, that Tamron is actually pretty good. And Zeiss didn’t perform all that well in the three-way comparison between Tamron, Zeiss and a Sony 28-70/2.8
Or best of the bests A-mount Zeiss 24-70/2.8 SSM. 😉
Don’t forget version II comes out June 16th. 🙂
http://amzn.com/B0014HTSI8
Ha, tell that to the Zeiss 24-70 F2.8 SSM. This lens is now my major workhorse and now my 70-200G F2.8 sits in the dry cabinet as a nice show piece.
But I really hope Sony comes out a Zeiss 70-200 F2.8 variant because the sharpness and micro contrast on the Zeiss is top notch. I haven’t use any unsharp mask on my PP since starting using the Zeiss~
AF with Canon lenses will most likely suffice for casual use. But do we know more than anecdotal evidence? I doubt we get 1dx performance, but maybe I’m wrong.
Thom Hogan’s statistics today show a combined 11% (mirror less + SLT) market share of Sony compared to 75% Canikon (last year). So there is still some way to go. Nevertheless, Sony set an exclamation mark.
Expecting 1dx performance is a tad ridiculous.
If I look at some of the comments here or at DPreview, not few people seem to think that (performance equal as with Canon bodies is heard quite often).
To my knowledge, the only company to make adapters with mechanical drive (screw for focus, and aperture lever) is Sony for their own A mount.
Since they owned the specifications for both sides of the mount, they didn’t need to do any reverse engineering and could put resources into the complexities of the mechanical linkages.
Everyone else has to reverse engineer everything – and when that happens, the 100% electronic Canon EF-mount is the easiest target by a long shot. Nikon’s mount has mechanical (not electronic) control of the aperture, and many Nikon lenses also have mechanical focusing drive. (Same reason the EA1/EA3 won’t work with non-SSM lenses).
Until the advent of Four-Thirds/Micro-Four-Thirds and Sony’s E mount (and other new mirrorless mounts), Canon’s EF mount was the only mount with 100% electronic control of the lens with no mechanical linkages whatsoever.
Edit: Sigma SA is also 100% electronic and, as I understand it, is basically Canon’s electronic protocols in a different physical form. So a Sigma SA mount is probably the second easiest to implement a fully automatic adapter for, but Sigma’s SA mount is so rare that Canon is the easiest and most rewarding target – there’s lots of EF-mount glass and it’s the easiest to implement.
No because it’s crippled AF with a-mount bodies. And the battery life, the ergonomics, and the AF will be better on a dedicated a-mount camera.
I agree!
No disrespect, but this forum consists of mostly amateur hobbyists & gear heads whom I don’t expect to fully comprehend the needs of full time working professional photographers like myself and BrianK who are less spec driven and more reliability & performance driven. It’s a totally different world when your livelihood depends on your ability to perform flawlessly, job-after-job.
No disrespect here either, but amateurs and gear heads are the majority in the market. Then, from your pro minority, you can also take away some types of photography – landscape and studio, just as two quick examples – where Sony has arguably all the reliability and performance one needs.
Can someone explain me how the average LA-EA4 adapter which only uses the LA-EA4 AF system on A6000 can use the on-sensor AF by magic wit A7R II? Does it mean Sony put something on LA-EA4 to block the use of On sensor AF on all camera and allow it on A7R II?
Sony mentioned EA3, not EA4 adapter. Attaching EA4 will override AF to the EA4 module, as per in-camera firmware.
A6000 with EA3 will use a slow as a snail CDAF. A7RII with EA3 will use PDAF.
But why is that? The A6000 uses PDAF on native E mount as well, right. So, why can the A7RII use it with the same adapter and lens but the A6000 not?
Adapters are never reliable solutions. I have two LAEA4 adapters and I keep getting camera errors that I have attached an incompatible accessory. Its annoying and I miss a few shots. Unfortunately I don’t have funds to change mounts but if Sony doesn’t come out with any new A mount gear in future I will have no option but to move to Nikon or Canon even when I wouldn’t want to but for Sony’s insistence that unreliable expensive adapters are the future.
I do see your point. However, the only point I am arguing here is that you are in the minority, whatever that will mean in the near future for Sony users. I personally do believe that they will come up with more a-mount bodies.
Are you sure? Are you saying that e mount users outnumber a mount users? Or are you saying that people accepting of a – e mount adapters are in the majority? Or are you saying that people who will stick with Sony no matter what are in the majority? Not clear. In any event, I would like to see your evidence to support any of those propositions. If you are just stating your personal opinion, fine, but respectfully, your personal opinion without some supporting evidence doesn’t count for much. A mount has been around a lot longer than e mount and I expect there are a lot more a mount users out there than e mount users. As for me, I want performance that is optimized for the system that I own. I don’t want to have to use an adapter in order to use another system. Without knowing, I believe there are a great number of a mount users who feel the same way.
Hmm, I thought I wrote it rather clearly. I think “amateurs and gear heads are the majority in the market”, not pros. No, I don’t have actual evidence to support it, but I believe it is common sense. In any case, my personal anecdotal experience shows exactly that.
Whether it counts for you or not, you decide. I am not putting any judgment there; I am saying that Sony, as a company, will act accordingly.
If you are referring to my reply to BrendonF, while I absolutely understand his frustrations, I also think that he doesn’t represent the majority, i.e. I doubt that everyone will start rushing to Canikon just because the adapter made them miss a “few shots”.
X100. When I shoot on shooting pro sporting events working 10-12 hour days (6-8 hours of that being shoot time) for 7 days straight, ergonomics and reliability greatly outweigh gadgetry. Long lenses were never designed for, nor intended to be mounted to the likes of an A6000. As long as people shoot sports, full sized cameras have their place.
Did they fix the wobbly, ticky-tack lens mount so you can actually use an adapter without it wobbling all over the place?
Isn’t that pretty obvious. I mean, it’s the same mount as the A7II.
Hey Mr. Admin: Can you see what you can find out about how an LA-EA2/4 works on this thing? What happens if you pull out the mirror? If there’s any way at all it handles screw drive lenses with the camera’s native AF? Maybe the a7RII is somehow smart enough to override the AF control built into the adapter, but still use its mechanics (basically, the other way around from what happens now)?
If that’s true, I’m selling a kidney and getting one on Day 1.
A7RII + LA-EA3 = new A-mount camera for the A-mounters. Now stop whining 🙂
No weathersealed, no two card slots, no better ergonomics = no new A-mount…
Whining continues. 😀
Those are good things to whine about. 😉
Got screw driven lenses? You’re screwed.
taint no A-mount then
Yeah, a tiny wobbly solution. Thanks. Go play with your E-Mount toys.
does it support screw drive?
I was thinking (I know). Hmm, Batis 85mm 1.8 makes me think a 135mm is on the way. It can’t be a 1.8. It’s unlikely. It’ll be a lesser build like the 85mm 1.8. So like, I don’t accept anything less than perfection. 135 is pretty much my halo lens for 80 percent of what I do. So why not a STF loxia 135!..or…or…a 135 STF Batis. No one has that…it’d be a game changer.
Well, you could always get a Novoflex, Metabones or Kipon AF adapter for the Canon 135 f/2 lens and be done. The Canon lens is so much cheaper that the price of the adapter is negligible. PLUS – it will be stabilized!
Canon has un-officially become Sony’s third party lens maker. Congratulations Canon!
Just waiting for an adapter with screw drive and no SLT, then it will be the time for me to give up my A mount camera dream and save my money for the E mount camera
I’m not going to have to go anywhere. As I said above, Sony is not that stupid.
For the moment, i’m running with my APS-C A57. I only have the Zeiss 24 F2 and the beercan as Full Frame lenses.
As I understand, I can mount SSM with LEA3 adapter. I would really want to buy the 50mm 1.4 by Sigma, ART series. Would it be more interesting to buy it in Canon mount ? I think canon second hands are easier to find, and the price is maybe cheaper than A-Mount ? Plus I don’t know if this one is SSM so I would maybe need to buy the LEA4 which, as I understood, can’t by now enjoy the 399 AF point of the A7RII ?
I mean, if I don’t buy it in canon mount, I would need to buy the LEA4 adapter ?
No, LEA4 is for screw-drive lenses.
I am not sure if it is true what I read so far:
LEA3 adapter + AMount-Sigma-Lens should work the same way than
Comlite/Metabones adapter + CanonMount-Sigma-Lens
But I would trust the LEA3 adapter more than a 3rd party adapter to be used on future lenses.
If you plan to get a lens like Tamron 150-600mm, the Canon mount is the better choice, because for AMount the lens-image-stabilisation is deactivated. (Tamron only)
Can’t await to get real tests when people start to compare AF-speed with different adapters for different mounts. E.g. tested with a neutral lens like your mentioned Sigma Art.
Fuck sake Sony… i want a beefy SLR body for my big hands, with tons of well-placed buttons…
this thin crap i NOT an alternative for me !
I made this one to express our concern~
a little cheesy… 😀
I once went for a screen writer audition and I know why they turned me down…
Well played…well played.
May the A-Mount force be with you/us.
Is there a list which A mount list supports SSM or SAM and which don’t? Sometimes it’s in the name but sometimes it’s not (Sony 24-70/2.8Z).
It’s still coming on schedule: announcement in September & shipping this fall. Though if the A7RII is any indicator, this new 99-series will be a 1D competitor and priced accordingly! So we all need to start saving!
I really want the A7RII, but like- the more I go down this path the less I want to sell my A mount gear. Maybe it’s because I find less and less real differences between the two. It’s all padding in the end.
Sony sales/development people are not idiots. If there was going to be an LA-E5 adapter, they would have introduced at the same time the introduced as the A7rII. I think there is another camera coming for A-Mount users.
I like the first two…bigger, better.
Only time will tell what will happen and there is no doubt in my mind that a mount will continue. But speaking anecdotally and based on common sense, I believe that if I am wrong, and Sony gives up on a mount, a mount users will give up on Sony. Will it be a “rush?” Let’s just say a steady separation. Maybe Sony can fill that void with new e mount users but will that market be as lucrative? It’s going to be interesting to see the sales figures for this new uber-expensive camera after the early adopters leave the markets. Only the most advanced amateurs with fat wallets are likely to but this thing. There are a lot of nice compact cameras out there for a lot cheaper.
I agree with you — I trust Sony knows they have a built-in market already with A-mount and will continue to support it as long as there are customers. Speaking of customers, my new Zeiss 24-70mm F2.8 ZA SSM II I pre-ordered in April arrives Tuesday! I bought it in prep for the new pro A-mount bodies this fall & can’t wait to try it out!
Then buy a DSLR…?
A77 mk2 is more or less 1 year old and the technology in the A77 / A99 are quite inferior to the A7 series…
And while A7 gets an update every 2-3 months… the A77 / A99 is more or less ignored 🙁