The rumor background noise is increasing and a Sony announcement is coming the next days. Here are the rumors I got the last couple of hours from anonymous sources:
Source_1:
Spoke to a Sony representative today and he told me that this week Sony will announce a new APS-C camera to replace the NEX-7. He said once that camera is out there will be discounts on the a6000. He said a7r II might be announced together with the new APS-C camera or within a month. He also said that nothing suggests release of ultra high resolution camera soon.
Source_2:
A7rII: Speaking to a Sony rep he gave a knowing smile and said it definitely might have a silent shutter, I said so it will? He nodded. He said there would be an announcement before end of month.
Source_3:
Over 20 people have gotten the new A7R II though. Heard they gave it to some photographers to test out the new Zeiss lenses, and to test a new mode. From what I understood, it supports a high res handheld mode, but I did not get that confirmed. They will be shipping the a6XXX model out soon also, so that might be ready for release by June 2015 🙂
Source_4: The sealed Alpha Box has 60x50x28cm in size (SonyAlphaForum).
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“……and said it definitely might have a silent shutter, ” what did you mean? a6xxx or 7rII might have it?
A7rII
Are you sure it is a Silent shutter?
I guess it means Electronic Front Curtain
Electronic Front Curtain is not silent.
Nope, it is not. But if the camera has a silent shutter, EFCS and fully mechanical first and second curtain shutter will most likely be available too. Just like on the A7S.
If the A7rII has it, then I wouldn’t be surprised when the A6xxx has it too.
I am not very well informed on sensor technology, but a Sony accredited trainer told me that it is the special type of sensor used in the 7s that allows for the silent shutter while the 7r and 7 (that was prior to the 7ii release giving some weight to the argument) wouldn’t be able to have it due to different design. Can anybody confirm or counter this?
So either the A7Rii will only have 36mp or Sony has leaked misleading info and it will be 50mp.
I am anxious to know when and what will be released in 50mp.
Maybe 36 standard but handheld hi Rez to 50mp.
If you ask me, with a base resolution of 36 mp, they could easily reach 90 – 100 mp in high rez mode. Olympus high rez mode has 2.5 x base resolution (16 x 2.5 = 40). If Sony does the same: 36 x 2.5 = 90. Voilà!
Probably 60mp or so more than I need personally, but would be cool nonetheless
How do you think they could make hi rez mode work handheld.
if you have a full electronic global shutter, maybe then you can take in a 1/100th second several frames with 1/1000th.
And then wait for buffer clearing…
That would be too slow…it would require something like 15000 exposures/movements per second, on sensor storage capaciters…so it could utilize multiple small exposures for each real exposure, and still have a 1/1000 second total exposure
That would be similar to the color sampling tech except the entire sensor would shift instead of just the filter array.
nah, it doesn’t work this way. most sensors with global shutters can store only one or two frames
What about movie-oriented sensors aka RED?
I don’t think after 2 frames the video is over.
You don’t get it. RED sensors have high steady rate of output, it doesn’t mean they can do several frames in 1/100 s
I think you are totally right – I just remember that sensor-spec with a maximum framerate between 8 and 20. 10 frames within 1/100 is currently for affordable cameras not possible.
(I am not talking about special 10.000 fps highspeed cameras)
I couldn’t say. But Oly claims it is coming too
Did Sony leaked or do you missinterpret rumors for leaked information from Sony? Remember that salesreps know often less then we do….
That pesky Sony and it’s dog Muttley!
“a silent shutter” so we are not talking around silent mode but really the shutter himself??!! HUGE!!
Silent shutter = no mechanical parts = electronic shutter = silent mode.
“Global” electronic shutter or the “Rolling” one?
With 36 mp resolution it will be definitively the rolling one.
Maybe we Rolling around, Sorry not my native langage. I just want to know if we ré talking about à caméra that can be totally silent or one that just have a quiet mode as the one on canikon reflex.
We are talking about a totally silent fully electronic shutter mode (A7S), not a quieter mechanical shutter (which would be very welcome too).
Thx à lot m’y friend to Take the time to answer. Then it Would à réal stop forward joined to the ibis. I can t wait, i can t wait !
what is about rx cameras? Some hints about rx10 modernisation?
Yes I’m interested as well
Affirms my suspicion that the Zeiss-published hi-res images might have been made with a multi-shot hi-res mode.
And if your right about a Hi-Res Multi Shot mode, then that means it will have IBIS.
I don’t follow your logic. How’s multi shot mode lead to IBIS?
It offers you emotional support and encouragement? 😉
“The sealed Alpha Box has 60x50x28cm in size”.
That’s an awfully big box for a small camera, unless the A7RII is actually a larger form factor, and even then that is still a big box.
maybe its the box inside a shipping box: boxception
Sony cameras usually come 4 in a box (shipping carton) and the inside individual packaging is the coloured boxes.
I read it as 20 separate cameras sent to 20 separate people.
Regardless, I’m sure the size of box is an irrelevance.
I never read the forum entry, looks like your right
Or there are two new models in it. 😀
It’s most likely a special loaner review kit in a Pelican case or similar. With a press kit and maybe a couple of lenses (Batis?) and some accessories.
Or maybe there is a camera and some gummy bears in it. Yummy.
Wow — sounds like they’ll beat Olympus to it with hand held hi Rez mode. If that 50mp Zeiss Batis portrait is an indicator, this is a game changing feature.
Finally some juicy rumors…THANK YOU!
Any hints on A6xxx having 4k? Look at Panasonic G7, Sony needs to be more aggressive!
The extra weight certainly suggests that is the case. But mine rattles a lot and hisses at you when you shake it, not sure if that’s normal?
Hisses like a Snake? S…
A7sii.
My credit card is already burning in my wallet waiting to preorder that 6xxx! Can’t wait!
You should change your credit card.
So now Sonyhas to be worried about overheating creditcards too, not only overheating sensors… 🙂
I just want an affordable camera with A7S low light performance. I wouldn’t care if it is FF or APS-C or M43. But thats just a dream. Maybe it will happen in a few years.
Chasing some ghosts over there?
I think then you have to go for FF.
According to this Tony guy it takes about 10 years to get double performance out of a sensor. Or in other words, todays APS-C are as good as 10 years old FF.
But I think we can agree, that there will be A7Sii within 1-2 years and then prices for A7S drops and you have your affordable low light performance.
But Tony said there is no relationship between noise and pixel density… I’m so confused. LOL
Yeah, thats why I hope the A7Sii will be the uber camera, and then all sell their A7S and prices will go down. But to be honest, I fear that will not happen. The demand for the A7S will still be very high then, and prices will not go down that much. In addition to that, the price for the A7Sii will be significantly higher than for the A7S.
Another reason to support Tony:
The more people think Tony is right,
the more people prefer A7R for lowlight,
the more the price for A7S drops
😀
😀
>it takes about 10 years to get double performance out of a sensor
Can’t be. Current sensors are already have about 40-60% QE in green so there is little space for improvements.
Do you know Moore’s law?
This Intel-co-founder said a long time ago, CPU-power is doubling every two years. In history there have been many situations, where engineers said that now the physical limit is reached and it is impossible to significantly increase CPU-power any more.
Until today they have been wrong.
For image-sensors the situation is maybe different, but I still think there is much moore room for improvements that we currently can imagine. Maybe in ten years we have organic sensor-tech.
Tony N. made in one of his videos a chart, how sensors have been increased their performance over the years (DXOmark-data). And it is still increasing but overall is seems that this curve is flattening.
Moore’s law is about density, not performance
Of course it IS flattening
“Maybe it will happen in a few years.”
Or you might consider to get a job, and voila, after a few months you can buy the A7S. How bout dat.
let’s petition sony for creating color splitter A-mount camera (2MOS or 3MOS)
A color splitter A-mount camera would be cool and a smart way to use the freed space in the mirror box. However, it’s not for me. Way too big. I like it small. Even the A7S I’m lusting for, is somewhat too big for my taste.
is the new cameras will have a bigger battery?? I wish they would ditch all the unnecessary audio jacks and move the sd slot out of the way. They should stick it to battery compartment.
Those reps probably read the rumors here on SAR. 🙂 Salt please.
They must not change the battery! This will be the biggest fail they can do.
What is wrong with the current battery….you can squeeze few hundred shots out of it. Depending on how you shoot between 2 hundred and a thousand….just keep aspare in your pocket and all is done.
But if I have to buy different batteries and chargers may be I will just switch the camp.
If you switch the camp you have to buy different batteries and chargers – Canikon uses afaik 3-4 totally different batteries in their DSLR lineup.
I would like to see for bigger-grip models aka A7ii a bigger battery – maybe the A77/99 one. Hopefully a renewed version with more capacity.
But for A7Xii the tiny NEX5 battery is settled. I think it should be possible to use the same battery grip on all that models.
Yes, They should not change the battery at the beginning !!
They should keep using the a-mount battery.
it’s better to have two battery slots in high-end body
they should just make the slot except two different kinds of battery’s just like a charger can take aa & aaa. that would solve everything.
…or less stupid and just deliver good quality 2k in amateur camera rather than crap 4k and crap 2k.To date they do not have decent 2K perhaps with the exception of A7s
Wrong, Sony with the A6000 and A5100 has two of the very best 1080p cameras outside the NX1/GH4/A7s trio.
http://www.eoshd.com/2014/04/surprise-sony-alpha-a6000-video-mode-huge-improvement/
Sure that is not true.
The RX10, RX100III, A77II all have better video than A6000.
A77ii have XAVC 50mpbs.
and the 1″ sensor have full pixel readout which give sharper & less noise video than A6000.
What’s your aversion to 4K?
Source 1. Anyone can guess they’ll discount older models.
2 is a flimsy at best.
3 sounds feasible.
4. What is 4?
#4 if you go to the forum is that there were 20 boxes of the given size sent out to 20 photographers to test the new A7r + new Batis lenses. The box is quite big and possibly fits the boxes of the camera and the lenses…..
4. is a hint that A7Rii has IBIS and according to the box-size it is implemented this way:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41WkXTl-4kL._SL500_.jpg
LMFAO
Good so they have fixed the shutter shock! 🙂
I hear it’s good for 10 stops.
4. A7RII will be bundled with PS4…
https://i.imgur.com/ZVEFk6c.jpg
Did we read the same post??
IF this turns out to be 36mp with IBIS and multi shot hi res mode…
The high res mode would be nice for tripod shots of non moving subjects, but I am not convinced it will be of any benefit handheld or with moving subjects.
Even the smallest of camera/subject movement would be more than the tiny distance the pixels would shift for high res mode.
When I shoot handheld, and want to shoot high res I zoom in close and take mutiple shots of each different section of my subject, then create a panorama on the computer later.
I do not necessarily see that a high res mode will yield comparable results to that….except for tripod mounted static subjects.
I hope I am incorrect and Sony has figured out a way to make this work.
High res mode…check!
Imagine the amount of data needed to be buffered/processed in hi-res mode when handholding within 1/100s?
The article suggests there is something new to report. However, I don’t know anymore than I knew before. No doubt the article was written by a true Word Smith, an artist. I applaud you SAR.
The comment suggests there is something more to add. However, I don’t know anymore than I knew before. No doubt the comment was written by a true Comment Smith, an artist. I applaud you Roy LaFaver.
Well, now I know I spilled my coffee. Thanks for that, anyway. Hey, it would help if you could find out exactly the specs, and exactly the price, and exactly who the heck will buy it for me.
High rez mode on A7R and we can call it The Sick Brick.
Fingers crossed the A6xxx has internal 4K!! Sony needs something which does 4K to compete against Samsung and Panasonic! (such as the new Panasonic G7 which just got released yesterday)
Currently Sony has *NOTHING* in the ICL market which does internal 4K :-/
(and I’m obviously not meaning the Sony FS7)
Heres a wild thought…perhaps sony could make a 36mp color sampling sensor ths opperates as either a normal sensor or colr sampling sensor.
The color filters would move many thousands of times per second .
If pixel shift tech is used than if yhe pxels were to move thousands of times per second like the color sampling sensor than mayby a handheld high res mode would actuslly be possible.
I would still rather have a real high res sensor, or better yet a high res sensor WITH a handheld high res mode.
Barry, that “color sampling sensor” rumor was a hoax
So let ‘s resume
A7R II
1. 36 MP
2. IBIS
3. Better grip (New/old design A7 II body)
4. Tilt screen
5. Hi Res (59 Mp) Mode like Olympus
6. Silent shutter
7. New Raw format .
7. New box …;)
What else …Ho yes it is announced on Thursday …
Electronic first curtain shutter, please!!! Also, how about a lossless compression option? (Yes, I know, it is going to be either lossy 11+7 compression, which is clever but can result in some artifacts, or lossless compression, not pick and choose). I have a flock of good Canon-mount lenses that could benefit from increased dynamic range.
And slowly, all a99II rumors are passed and forgotten, as few times before…
No – I am still waiting someone asks if the 50mp sensor is for A99ii while E-mount stays on 36
everybody knows there will be no 50mp sensor from sony next few years 🙂 just dreamers refuse to believe it.
In this case I am a dreamer.
But awake I think “few” depicts a number between 0.33 and 3
0.33… you are really big dreamer (it’s a good thing) 🙂 this year: i don’t think so. maybe next, or the year after 🙂
I just thought Sony would not wait too long for 5DS answer – I remember rumors that this sensor is Canon design but Sony manufactured.
Pixel densitiy is same as good ol’ NEX7, and to put this into FF, the silicon-waver needs to be flawless for the area of two APS-C sensors in a row. Sounds not impossible.
But if I am wrong I left the option of 3 years waiting 🙂
they already stuck with 36 mp sensor for a few years and canon announced 50 mp already so they will do it quite soon
I suspect it’ll be dropped just like the A77II- quick and quite. I look forward to it despite the naysayers.
guys,
any idea if/when 24-240 will be dxomarked?
DXOMark THIS! –> (__|__)
Congrats… Very smart….
Try asking DXOMark?
i just dont like their answer 🙂
That silent shutter…is it “silent” like Nikon’s or really an electronic shutter?
Depends on the Nikon model. My D810 shutter is really silent in Qs/Qc mode. People don’t object within the church during weddings. My A7ii on the other hand …
Try shooting with an old a900 – I swear that the thing is the loudest shutter ever made!
But it has that deep ker-thlunk sound. It’s manly sounding at least. Puts hair on the chest while you’re using it. Scares the pansies away as well.
Damn near scares the bridal party away… 😉
No that’s just a quieter focal plane shutter anyhow, anything louder than a leaf shutter is useless to me.
Why that?
Will A6xxx has a new sensor? There were some rumors before it can have one.
You can do easily do a high rés mode in Photoshop, not that easy than on-caméra, but for those on budget it’s something to consider
I hope Sony will make a native function rather a 10$ app
yes, but only for still subjects
A7RII + silent shutter = SOLD!
And to be honest, I don’t really need it to be silent, just much quieter than the A7R’s shutter, and with less vibration. The current shutter is easily the A7 series’ biggest drawback.
In order of their importance, here are three things I wish for most in the A7RII:
1. Quiet shutter with better vibration damping.
2. In-body anti-shake
3. Option for uncompressed RAW
Watch out what you wish. A quiet shutter and an silent (electronic) shutter are not the same. A silent shutter in a high MP camera like the A7R(II) will have massive rolling shutter.
So, like you said in #1, you want a quiet mechanical shutter, not a silent electronic shutter. It’s easy to mix things up. I get confused myself often.
Don’t be overhasty. In the tradition of Sonys compromise bodies they take something away that annoys you.
Something small… like the shutter release button.
try average several rumor sources to remove the noise, hope SNR of SAR increases
Oh boy, thanks for your smart advice. I have a job and not a bad one, but guess what, I’m not willing to pay 2.5 grand for a camera. I’m not willing to give up traveling, good food, partying and expensive Whiskey for an A7S. I’m not wealthy enough to afford all that AND a new A7S (plus the 1-2 lenses I need for it).
But I guess you don’t care anyway, you just want to show me how clever you are, right?
You favor whiskey over a7s? Infidel.
Well, I would give up the Whiskey. 😉 But like i said, it’s not only the Whiskey. I would love to own an A7S, but it is, like any other piece of electronic, not worth 2.5 grand for me.
Now I have to grab some tasty beverage…
Are we getting 4k or IBIS -that is all I want to know -and a decent flash sync speed? and how about a metal mount.
Is the silent shutter a mechanical thing or could it be done by software update for something like the a6000?
The sensor readout times have to be short enough. It’s not mechanical, it’s a hardware feature. If that is the case, an electronic shutter function could be added via firmware update. As far as I know, Fuji did that with the T-X1.
Thank you. I’m just about to get a new camera after selling my a77 and was contemplating as whether to get the a6000 or wait till the a6***. Although a silent shutter appeals to me for street photography it’s not an essential feature…I may even consider the a7.
Even if readout is slow, electronic shutter can be still useful for timelapses and still subjects