A couple of readers sent me that image that is floating on websites and forums (like Douban, DCfever and so on). I am 99,9% sure it’s fake. Although it’s easy to guess that the real future A7sII will be similar to the current A7II. The specs are also too good to be true. Or will Sony surprises us?
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Without your indication – thanks anyway – I wouldn’t have believed these specs on the first look.
However I am interested in an A7SII.
It would just need to be the same body (incl. IBIS) than my beloved A7II.
I also love my A7II. And i will love to have A7SII with the same IBIS and the same ergonomics/build quality as A7II. Those 2 would complement each other very well.
Hmm, if what Atomos said is true, the A7s was capable of RAW output via HDMI, Sony had just decided not to enable it via firmware. So in that regard, I don’t imagine it being tough doing 4:4:4 via HDMI. That’s much easier than internal 4K, hardware wise.
If it was internal though, then I’d agree the specs seem too good to be true.
Going off that, it looks like they’ve (possibly) put the IBIS in the A7s, enabled higher quality HDMI output (10-bit though? interesting if true!), and squeezed up to 120fps in Full HD out of the camera. If I understand things right, that have likely been a processor issue more than an actual sensor limitation, but I’m positive other people will have more technical knowledge there.
From my understanding of the dependency between bayer pattern and chroma subsampling, 4:4:4 would never be possible in 4K with the current 12 MP sensor.
Ah, I don’t know that much about the sensors unfortunately, but yeah if that’s correct that’ll make it sure fire fake.
Of course it’s possible, but ~2/3 of the data are kind of guessed. And that is what debayering does.
But it’s even worse: after debayering the resulting RBG-values will be transformed to YCbCr and another ~50% of data will be thrown away…
The 4:4:4 format would surely be _possible_, but you are right in that the Bayer filtering/demosaic cannot recreate full resolution in the blue/red color channels.
The Cb/Cr channels of a YCbCr signal are not the same as the red/blue channels in a sensor, so there is no direct mapping.
Both Bayer sensors and chroma-decimated YCbCr formats offer high spatial resolution in some luminance-ish channel (inspired by human visual system), and decreased resolution in the “non-luminance” channels.
Yeah, it wouldn’t make true 4:4:4 but I’d rather see 24mp version that did a full readout. Downscale 6k to 4k in camera similar to what RED does with the dragon to make up for the loss of bayer resolution. (Which incidentally works out to ~UHD at S35 crop and Full HD at S16 crop)
Ibis is a given – can’t see why they wouldn’t include it…
Knowing sony I don’t think its a given. I don’t believe the A7RII will have IBIS.
When is the A7s II expected from all your information? ( that if it’s expected at all … )
it is expected yes. But first comes the A7rII
@SAR_Admin, do you think I should wait to buy an A7sii or go ahead and buy an a7s? I’ve saved up for over a year, and only have one freelance job at the end of June, so I can wait. There are some issues with the first generation a7s and when I buy, I plan to use it for years until getting another camera body.
I’m fine with waiting till even July or August (renting for my job in June), but if you are confident it won’t be released this summer, I may go ahead and purchase the a7s. What do you think?
yes it will be usefull! i’m in the same condition!!
Really depends whether you need ibis… Ergonomics wise, try an a7ii and see what you think. (These are the only guaranteed upgrades.) Can you rent an a7s to test it?
Thanks! The lowlight capabilities and S-log are my reasons for wanting the a7s, though, so the a7ii doesn’t really interest me. I do video, so really, IBIS and ergonomics are the big things I’d like added/improved on the a7sii. The IBIS would help reduce the jello effect and let me use more lenses. 4k would be great, but the other changes are my top needs.
Sounds like you should hang on for the a7sii in that case. I tried an a7ii and the ergonomics and ibis weren’t enough to persuade me to upgrade from my a7 (I’d really need an af upgrade top, to make me jump).
the stabilization could be a huge step for video if your using lenses without.
I have no info about an A7sII shipping within the next 3 months.
When you say, “There are some issues with the A7S”, what are they that you think might have an effect?
Certainly, it would be excellent to have even better AF speed and there are some curious behaviour anomalies, but every camera made has their own flaws, so I suspect that the successor will be just the same in that respect.
As to IBIS, the simple fact is that the best lenses for ‘pro’ use have stabilising anyway and the high ISO is so good it almost eliminates the need for slow shutter speed (and there’s always flash!).
For my part I doubt I would wait to make sure I was fully familiar with the camera for any paid job. Renting is always a bit of a gamble in that respect and pros usually only do it while a body is otherwise out of action.
Yes, I agree with your thoughts. I do only video though, which is why is like the a7s and slow AF doesn’t really bother me. Also, I have already tested the camera so I know how to operate the rental for my job in June. Not concerned about that.
My issues are: rolling shutter with jello-effect issues, small handgrip, shutter button location (and record button location) and a super thin body that makes attaching a video tripod plate feel less steady than a thicker body. I think the a7ii body changes would fix that, and also the grip ergonomics and shutter button. The IBIS would help the jello-effect, and-since I’ve been a canon girl for years, I can live with rolling shutter. Personally, I’d love 4k, but I’d still buy it without, if it fixed what I describe above. The lowlight capabilities and S-Log are my top reasons for liking this camera, over any other.
hey there, thx for your job. I come from nikon. So i ‘m wondering what is the gap between the annoucement and the release for the last alpha 7?
Obviously a fake. Sony deleted the 1080p 50/60fps option?! Lol!
It’s in thin line near the asterisk :
“50/60p in 10bit 422”
I highly doubt Sony will put 10bits 444 in the A7sII, it’s only present in their high end cine camera I think (like the F5/F55/F65). It would kill their high end cam if they do that (even if via HDMI only).
I dont understand why people do this..
people are not doing this , other camera manufacturers do..
the reason of this rumor is because Sony A7RII is coming very soon , so they want people to believe the rumor of A7SII to skip the new a7r and wait for the fake A7SII.
But the target audience is completely different. If I want an R I’ll wait for an R and not an S.
It kind of targets people like me who are still contemplating on what to get, the R or the S?
would be the specs that users require from years and years. is only a software and minimal hardware work. You understand sony! 🙂 If you make this camera you grow the market and asphalt all others brand and you earnings go to the stars
Well the specs might not be accurate but the photo mock-up is in all likelihood dead-on-balls. Unless Sony is going to have a third chassis design in the A7 series which I highly doubt. I think we are looking at almost exactly what the A7S Mark II will be aesthetically.
These specs are just ridiculous delusion of dome fanboy. Sony will never undercut the FS7 with 10-bit internal in anything below its price. None of the current cameras can even do 8-bit 4:2:2 internal, much less higher spec video. Until Panasonic or another competitor forces it’s hand, enjoy 8-bit 4:2:0.
Personally I think the next gen Nikons will start to push the envelope more since they have no broadcast/cinema cameras to protect.
Sure hope there is no A7s successor. I bought my A7s for once in a lifetime dirt cheap so A7sII will never be affordable 🙁
Well if you bought it dirt cheap, doesnt mean you must sell it dirt cheap.
Someone tell the manufacture they forgot to put in the center af point…
Night vision baby!
hope it can push a bit from 12mp to 15mp
Looks like you don’t understand the key feature of the “S” version : having less photosites on a FF size sensor to have them bigger and thus create a low-light monster camera.
Next generation A7s is likely to to have XAVC if it keeps it’s video-oriented nature so it’ll probably come in a 10bit flavor.
But, to enable 10 bit 422 UHD recording in-camera, Sony will probably switch to XQD cards.
Also, if the GH4 can do it too, then we can hope for 10bit 422 UHD on the HDMI output for the A7s II.
Seems like you give some prophetic value to the “artist”. Was it so hard to imagine added blue ” s” on a7 II body?
So make it 8MP.
Presumably jermaine was hoping for equal low light performance with a little more resolution, which is certainly a possibility. Photosite size isn’t the only factor, although it’s an important one.
yeah i would like a higher MP too and have just as good low light because I’d like to have higher resolution photos too.
Can someone tell me when the A7s was release? I’m referring to the date. How long has it been on the market?
Same specs with the new 24 MPixels APS-C sensor for Sony A6000 successor will be perfect
or to get a more sensitive photosites 😉 with a new technology :D. If Sony doesnt make new technology for its camera, i wonder who will have ressources to create new types of photosite which can be used afterwards on other field like medecine ( for instance, replacing damaged retina )
The a7s can only output 8-bit 4:2:2, unless they solve the overheating issue and decide to undercut the FS7 (something that will never happen) 10-bit is a pipe dream.
Until Samsung or Blackmagic or Nikon comes up with something that forces Sony to do the right thing. For the last fifteen years or so, neither Sony or Canon have radically improved video capability until competitors threatened to make them obsolete.
I’m not sure about this.
I’ve got myself an FS7, it’s really a wonderful camera with 10 bit 4K XAVC recording but in really low light situations I can see a professional shooter putting the camera back in the bag and switch to an A7s to get the job done.
I may be wrong but I believe Sony has understood the target audience of such of video oriented photo camera. XAVC is the natural step but there is no way they will stick with XAVC-I which is 8bit only, hence, I have high hopes for a 10 bit internal recording. Again, it means recording on XQD cards to sustain the data rates.
I hope the same will apply to the HDMI output as 8bit has strong banding on the A7s.
Overheating issue means two things : re-design the thermal management, highly likely if they use a new body and use new image processors that use less power and overheat much less (use a finer silicon process probably).
A7s II will be an entirely new design so no comparison can be made with the former model IMO.