At last the wait is over! One trusted sources confirmed Sony will announce the new Sony A7r successor (let’s call it A7rII for now). I have been told it’s already in production with possible shipment scheduled for May-June. The A7rII will also feature the exactly the same 5 axis stabilization of the Sony A7II. This is not the PRO E-mount model I “rumored” months ago. That PRO model is coming but I still don’t know when.
One more SR5 thing: There is also some “More stuff” coming. I hope I can get some reliable specs on the A7rII and also on the “More stuff” soon 🙂
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My wallet is already crying…
@Admin, could you please give some info about APS-C future models, this is only about FF all the time, many many people are looking for new APS-C stuff, and now those people are thinking that Sony has stop producing them ? is Sony only FF in the future ? thanks.
you are reading a website that can only thrive if they can publish news/rumours. do you not think that if the admin had APS-C news, he would publish it.
I do wonder how stupid some people can be.
*giggle*
It’s about all the rumors that THIS SITE has given on the so called A7000, so a situation actualisation on that camera could be appropriate for many people.
Come on man, we all know it’s not going to happen. There’s A6000 – buiy it or upgrade to FF. Nuf said.
Well, when the admin did spread those A7000 rumors, nobody said him it won’t happen !!!!
Admin cannot deliver rumors on order…he can only take the rumors he is given or make up his own…I do not believe he is willing to make up his own.
Andrea, new 47MP Bayer sensor or the same 36MP sensor as the original camera???
Why 47MP and not 51 or 54MP???
PS I would hope for 36MP with electronic shutter and stabilisation. A7r has impressive IQ as it stands.
I heard it’ll be 49.799999MP
I knew it, Canon makes better sensors… 😀
or 58MP?
If it were a scaled up version of yhe 24mp apsc soce sensor it would be 56mp.
This would be logical for outbragging the Canon 50mp sensor.
Persistent older rumors have been about a 47mp sensor but 56mp just seems to make more sense.
Tumor sotes? Sounds serious, I’d have that checked up.
My smartphone keeps automatically changing words
47, 51, 54 MPx… nice on paper, but you’d have to carry a sturdy tripod to make the most of it. Even the 36 Mpx requires much more care than the 24 and 16 Mpx sensors to take sharp pictures.
The difference in linear resolution between 54 and 47MP isn’t that great, something in the vicinity of 7%. The practical difference would be very small.
47MP because Sony are sick of reading Barry’s comments here & want him to switch to Canon already… They might just stay with the 36MP sensor even.
If there is really a “pro” model (A9) coming, then the A7Rii will be 36MP.
IMHO A9 pro model will have a new generation none bayer sensor and be sold at a premium
3 layers of 24mp sounds perfect.
Ok, that would indeed make sense. But I don’t expect a non-bayer sensor any time soon. By the way, a possible non-bayer sensor should have the same performance (sensitivity, speed, dynamic range) compared to the current bayer sensors. The market will not accept a non-bayer sensor that is slower and with lower sensitivity, no matter how sharp it is on pixel level. (See what happend to Foveon)
Over the last 18 monts the Sony chip plants have had investment for stacked CMOS sensors
http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cx_news_archives/img/pdf/vol_68/sideview_vol68.pdf
They have multiple patents for want of a better word “Foveon” type sensors and this technology has been rumoured to be making an appreance sometime in 2015.
Maybe this is the big announcement Andrea has mentioned a few times now.
Time will tell 😉
Imagine if they’ve put that in the A7000. My dream come true 🙂
That does make sense. IBIS and ergonomics, just like the case of the A7 -> A7II.
Not so sure – they might go crazy with the a7rii and keep the res a bit lower on the a9 to keep for up
CaNikon’s top models don’t have the highest resolutions, it’s the “semi-pro” D810 and 5DS that have that distinction.
What’s with the A7000?? So many people looking for it. Thank you for your wonderful work sonyalpharumors!
yesssss
Yes please. Been waiting for this for years 🙁
No cookies for you guys. Should’ve bought A6000 long time ago. Next APS-C camera will be A6000MkII
Hey Andrea, there is always “More Stuff soon”. Just spill the beans.
Another qx? Don’t think I’ve even seen one in the wild…
Absence of proof is not proof of absence. Also, anecdotal evidence isn’t very good evidence.
OK Bob…. Cogito ergo sum….
Irrelevant in this context.
LOL
I guess we’ll have to wait a few more months for an A7s successor. New camera releases are always good. They lower the prices for the already brilliant “old” models. :DD
but still 11+7
Come on Sony, that is soooo mean!
Wrong: 11+8 this time….
@SAR_Admin
Now im 99% sure, that A99 II will come! 😀
and will come in E-mount : )
Whatever, if it’s DSLR-quality and comes with DSLR-quality lenses.
LOL
Dun dun dun….
Sony has not been producing new A mount cameras.
They justify this decision based on sales data that indicates that people are not buying the new cameras that Sony is not producing.
They claim to make money on new E mount models but that profits just barely cover development costs for new A mount models.
Numbers can be manipulated to support any desired concusion. The maner in which Sony is manipulating the numbers clearly indicates yhey have no intention of producing new A mount cameras.
Canon is expected to introduce 4 or 5 new mirrorless csmeras this year…by next year I am certain they will challenge the ff mirrorless market, and since thier ff mirrorless cameras are certain to be made AF compatable with current Canon lenses they will lead the marked in mirrorless sales by 2017.
When Sony E mount sales drop Sony may be forced to revisit the A mount question, but certainly for the forseeable future I would expect few or no new A mount cameras.
In the unlikely event that Sony does produce a ne A99II camera it will almost certainly be thier last A mount until at least 2017..if ever.
“by next year I am certain they will challenge the ff mirrorless market”.
Do you ever check how many of your predictions come true and use that information to temper your certainty? Remember when you were certain the 7DII would have a Foveon style 3-layer sensor?
I never made such a claim.
As for checking my prediction ..the majoroty of them do come tru..but of course then you will accuse me of making statements that ear too obvious.
I’ll see if I can find it, I distinctly remember replying to it at the time because of how ridiculous it was.
You will also see that the bulk of my incorrect predictions stem from the single phone interview I had and posted from a claimed Sony exec.
My other predictions have been much more accurate.
Finally..any expectations you may have that anyones predictions..including my own…will be 100% accurate are totally unreasonable, and mine are at least as often correct as anyones..including SAR.
Ah yes, your legendary phone ‘interview’ with a ‘Sony Executive’… classic Barry.
That’s a really annoying troll, that Barry character, isn’t he?
Oh Jesus. Matt is showing you to be the liar that you always have been, yet you continue with this deluded arrogance.
I can’t believe you dare show yourself around here after that Sony executive fiasco.
Here it is:
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/saradmin/curiosity_news_sony_prepares_sensor_with_10x_sensitivity_for_the_auto_market/#comment-1545385363
You repeated the claim that the 7DmkII would have a 3-layer foveon sensor as fact sometime later, as I recall.
The very first words in that comment “rumors have surfaced”
And then again clarified later in the same statement ” it is widely believed that”
So I did not claim to be absolutely certain of that fact as you claim.
Furthermore, even if I am absolutely certain of a future prediction it is still a prediction and can be wrong.
If you want absolute certainty you will need to wait until products are already available and reviewed, and even then hope they are being accurately represented.
I assume if you were willing to wait for that you would not even be reading SAR.
You’re even misquoting yourself, the very first words in that comment are “Speaking of sensors the specs have surfaced”. “It is widely believed that” refers to a Sony layered sensor.
“even if I am absolutely certain of a future prediction it is still a prediction and can be wrong.” – That’s not what the word ‘certain’ means, in fact it’s the exact opposite.
The name of the site is “sony alpha RUMORS .com”.
That’s exactly what you do. You make predictions about the bleeding obvious.
So I am both wildly inacurate and totally obvious…that quite an accomplishment.
Yes, it’s possible to be both.
Finally, you understand.
people keep $hitting about canon dominating the mirror-less.. what a joke, they will never make it adaptable with ef lenses, look what they did to FD line, plus they have no plans to make ff mirror-less, read some interviews with those ego guys from almighty canon. Just another sad canon customer whining, sorry but this is utter crap you posted
Considering they’re not releasing the m3 in the US and didn’t release the m2 in the UK, I’ll be amazed if we see even 2 mirrorless cameras from them next year, let alone an ff mirrorless. Canon’s more concerned about ring fencing their dslr market…
id agree with that, it maybe internal politics too, they should be doing more with a mount, theres a huge gulf between what they have done, and a phoning it in effort.
A mount is dead
When???????????
I guess you have read the title only….
Haha Nope…I see *possibly* may-june ship date. perhaps I should of asked when and where????
my question: if with 36Mp shooting under 1/250 is a risk of micro move blur effect, with a 5axis pudding shaky sensor isn’t it an amplyfied risk? never used IBIS, I admit my ignorance….
The newer Sony 36MP as used in the d810 has EFCS.
Electronic First Curtain Shutter on the newer Sony 36Mp sensor. Could you please explai more? thanks
One of the biggest improvements on the D810 was the inclusion of EFCS which the D800 sensor didn’t have (and also suffered shutter shock issues, in fact many cameras do). This sensor was made by Sony and one would assume that this sensor is coming to the A7R II.
my a7r is out of the window just now
I wish I would be standing below your window…
Thanks for clarifying what EFCS stands for.
I thought it was one of these:
Electronic Flight Control System
European Federation of Cytology Societies
Electronic Filmless Camera System
Emergency Flight Control System
Electronic Fingerprint Capture Station
Electric Flight Control System
Extended Faceted Classification Schema
Enema-administered Flatulence Control System
The electronic first curtain shutter(EFCS) as found on A7 and most other new cameras except A7r eliminates the shutter vibration trouble completely. Simply there is not mechanical movement until the shutter has to close, so your photos come out sharp. I loved this since NEX-7 came out as it allowed me to take pictures in low light with slow shutter speed and not very stable supports e.g. portable tripod, hand held leaning against a wall etc.
EFCS has its downsides so A7 allows it to be turned off. Most notably when using high speed shutter e.g. 1/1000 or faster the bokeh rendering of lenses gets malformed and clipped occasionally.
Admin: any indication of an updated LA-EA4? Or other improvements to support of A-mount lenses? IBIS is already a huge step forward, they just need to complete the picture.
EA6 would be great if it features A77 AF system. Perhaps covering full frame as well as A77 covers crop
And please let it be circular, without the big bulge.
Yeah they just don’t do that to annoy people, it serves no actual purpose 😉
The EA2 and EA4 actually have most of the items you find in a DSLR like D600 for example – motors for AF and aperture control, mirror for the AF system, AF system, small computer with lots and lots of memory with lens presets etc. This takes up some space. Specifically the AF system, motors and their gears. EA2 and EA4 are miracles of engineering from that perspective. Sony fitted a DSLR into a 10th of the volume
They can make it like the LA-EA1 and LA-EA3 but with super fast AF. The tech is almost there. No need to make it use the old outdated translucent mirror anymore.
So they make it without AF-system but the AF is super fast? Ok why not.
LOL
That would require better on-sensor PDAF in the body., so nothing to do with the adapter.
AF performance is way better with translucent mirror adapters (LA-EA2, LA-EA4) on all Sony cameras except one: A6000. So, it is not obsolete yet.
Well, that might just be possible. The current adapter has the AF module + the AF Motor to drive the Minolta glass which is screw driven. If they remove the motor, it may become much smaller. The Sony SSM & SAM lenses would still AF though which is fine for a lot of people.
Exactly. However, that might be the point where Sony is shooting themself in the knee, because there are still too many ancient screw driven lenses in their program.
Not really. They can still continue the LaEA4 & sell both in parallel. Win win situation…
So they would make an adapter that works with basically 1/10th of all A-Mount lenses or less? Oh and while the hump to the side is for the AF motor, there will still be a hump to house the AF sensor which needs to be placed at the correct (ie sensor) distance from the mirror.
Like I said, they can sell multiple models in parallel. Buyers can have the choice. The SLT mirror is angled downwards, meaning the AF module & hump is at the bottom. That’s not really an issue. My issue is with the hump on the side which just looks ugly & out of place.
Yes, because everyone should bend over backwards to do what you want because it isn’t pretty enough for you? Get real.
Whatever… This argument isn’t worth my time…
Worth your time enough to reply. I think you are just a bit precious, thinking that your time is so valuable and that everything should be ‘pretty’ for you so you don’t have to have a small rounded bump, but are prepared to lose functionality of some of the very best lenses you are trying to adapt in the first place. Because it is all about looking good right? Too bad your profile image looks like your hair was drawn onto a bald guy by a 6 year old.
Why would it be an LA-EA6? A77 II af would be fine for me.
EA2 and EA4 have phase detect i.e. even numbers. So A77 ii AF system could come in EA6 adapter.
It may be EA5 or EA36 as well…..
They are numbered by the order in which they came out. By your logic a XLR-KM1 which is not shoe mounted and a XLR-KM2 which is shoe mounted, so therefore a XLR-KM3 will not be shoe mounted…
For the credibility of Sony the only camera that matters is the A99II or equivalent A-mount. Otherwise they all are detected as a bunch of L….. . Worth of any customer respect in the future.
An Ea6 adapter will be much better than A99 II.
I would kill for an LA-EA6 with modern PDAF on par with Canon and Nikon. The LA-EA4 is a joke. Not even designed for FF and a year old PDAF system from the old entry level SLT relics.
True it is not anywhere close to D600. Still I use it a lot as AF is much improved over A700
D600 is grouped in the middle too and quite lame. More points, but actually not ‘that’ much better. It too is pulled from the lower end Nikons made for crop sensors.
That’s your opinion.
For me it is critical that the manufactor of my gear is reliable and trustful.
When a guy states ” we are using A- mount as a Pro-line and support it in the future”
and not having the balls to state openly
” due to the market situation we will fucus exclusively on E-mount but we are going to give the option for A-mount via adapter”
it means a new camera in A-mount is the next step and not a cheapish adapter even if it would be Ea 79.
there is literally no difference between an a99ii and a a7 series camera with an adapter. they both mount amount lenses and have IBIS.
You don’t get the principle here. It is a matter of respect toward the customer to tell.
It is not about the considering the A7 + Adapter as alternative to a A99 . In fact it is not.
But I guess these days it’s more about consuming and frenetic buying rather then respectful behaviour.
So go sell your gear and go away. Go buy micro four thirds. Nobody cares.
No I will keep my gear and use it.
But I hope you will understand it one day when it’s your turn to ask for the respect.
Don’t care. Bugger off.
Any further word with you is wasted I guess.
These are the customer Sony is looking for … Have fun with your toys
You’re still talking?
How hard is it to sell your gear and buy second hand Nikon/Canon gear? You are probably a pro, and you need to invest in your tools. I work in software business and have to change laptops every 3-4 years. I lose almost all the money (money that is similar to the price of a FF lens) I invested in a laptop, and your lenses still cost around 70-80% of the price of a new item.
ahahaha
Go tell that to Olympus, or Panasonic, or worse Fuji and Samsung. Sony have done a great job of supporting their legacy customers.
“It is a matter of respect…”
You’re not in a mafia movie.
And there was me thinking cold hard cash had something to do with it…
Agree! It would have been better to be clear about it. Though as you indicate people understand what is going on. Sony has X amount of R&D to spend on new products. FE mount is the hot thing and drains their resources.
It is sad to see that A mount and E mount crop are not pushed as hard nowadays.
I guess Sony too are unclear on strategy. E mount crop for instance seems to me bigger then FE or may be not. A mount I guess is a good niche though probably smaller in sales volume relative to either E mount version. Yet Sony may decide to shift focus to A mount including bodies for some segments. So I guess they are not sure where all this is heading. Keep n mind that camera business is about to change substantially. Market is rapidly shrinking and perhaps only few higher end products will survive. So it may be that Sony believe their only chance of survival in the camera market is to have solid FE line.
Well writen, have you ever thought to work at Sony as PR-guy? 🙂
I know the situation in the market is hairy, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be clear what the next steps are. If you have decided to drop the A-Mount o.k. their are reasons why.
Tell to the puplic and we can make our choices.
When I hear that Sony is keeping A-mount alife only to sale the pricy lenses which cost 10k$+ (when they already digged the grave) then I start think if it’s worth sticking with such a company. But that’s just me.
Sony releasing an A99II means the public will see the cards in their hands. I assume they’ll come up short and for good reason. Minimal marketing, minor upgrades outside of AF-meh. What they REALLY need is that Ea6 adapter to be both sleek and top performing. Pitch to us A mounters a no compromise solution. We’re getting bigger FE bodies- so fix the dang adapter.
Exactly. Stop messing around with A and E, go all E with great A support and by this I mean bring out a body A-Mounters would like, plus an adapter with the best AF they can throw in it. If A-Mounters leave because this is their only option… well they probably aren’t ‘investing’ in the system anyway.
So what’s wrong with the LAEA5 adapter? 😛
Yeah, Sony should focus their efforts on a niche market and ignore the one that’s turned their business around…
No interest. If it were up to a-mount I’d still be shooting canon. Why do these e-mount threads tet so clogged with a-mount tripe.
Back in A-mount-only times, it was a small niche with photo hobbyists who considered themself “different”. It was like a family.
Now, with the huge success of NEX/E-mount, these times are over. So I pretty much understand, that A-mount users are sad or even angry sometimes. They identified with, and invested in, a dying system that was not successful.
So, please be indulgent with them.
It is very reminiscent of the shift by Olympus and Panasonic from 4/3 to Micro 4/3.
Not really, Sony have offered decent support for A-Mount for a long long time now. Four Thirds to m43’s, definitely less so (E-M1 is an improvement though, some 5 or 6 years later).
I understand. Truly..it’s just the relentlessness of it all. Its a bummer. I get it. Sold my canon stuff. Was very sad for a period, but life goes on.
A99II = FAT ULGLY ELEPHANT. just say’in….
Funny. They called it light and sleek when it came out.
You might be right. But the same applies to a D810.
It’s pretty sobering to see that even Nikon, who was once state of the art in product design, are not even able to make good product design when they are trying hard to copy (Df) the brilliant design from a camera they made earlier (FM2).
But look at the bright side: The Sony camera design has at least been much improved compared to the ultra ugliness of Minolta products. (The CLE may be an exception, but was basically a Leica design)
Nikon is just concentrated on Image Quality and they have been # 1 at this for a long time.
Yes, ever since they started using Sony sensors. Before that not so much. You can get the same sensor with equal or better image quality and more features for 20%-30% less buying the Sony.
That must be to root of Anton’s rage; he was duped into spending much more for less camera and just can’t get past that fact.
UGLY! What are you talking about?
Haha, nice example.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!
Sony gained far more credibility in the last year and a half with E-mount than they ever have with A-mount. A-mount is an also ran.
There are diffent types of credibility
Credibility in work (+)
Credibility in speech (–)
This MAY be my next camera – upgrade from A7R.
1. IBIS – great!
2. Shutter vibration issue solved? By electronic shutter?
3. Performance issues solved? (start up, shutter release delay, AF sluggish)
4. The destructive RAW format totally against what RAW is all about – is there a non-destructive RAW option?
Or must I wait to see what the rumored flagship “A9” offers?
You already have an A7R, so yeah, you can wait.
Whats the resolution and sensitivity of this new A7R II ?
Hmm .. I’m going to sell my A99 for this baby.. Anyone interested ? 🙂
I’d buy it for 500€ !! 🙂
Watch out with your jokes, he might actually say yes. 😉
I’m not joking 😉
Ok sold , it’s for parts not working btw 😉
That will be a huge expensive paperweight!
I usually spare no expenses when it comes to paper weights. You get what you pay for.
let’s hope that the shutter is quieter than on a7r
Interesting, just back from visiting my local camera shop and the owner told me there will not be any replacement for the A7R but something completely new and a cheap full frame camera.
I assure you, local camera shops know nothing. It’s just confident speculation.
Another body? My camera isn’t even a year old.
This what happened to me when I switched to E-mount. Em’ AF FE Zeiss lenses are too expensive lol. I’m just laughing at my self now but I think it’s worth it.
True they release these new cameras far too often.
Last year only one model launch a7II…
Were not the A7S, A5000, A6000, A77II and A5100 camera releases too?
I would actually count the QX1 too.
PS and there was A3500 somewhere. So in total 8 or 9 Interchangeable lens cameras……
First, we talk about ff mirrorless.. Why dont you count compact camera..kw11 or a smartphone cos it have a camera too?
2nd, a7s launch late 2013.. In 2014, only one ff mirrorless produce by sony…
We discussing a ff here…the topic clearly mention about a7rII not a6000II..
No, the A7S was announced at the NAB show in April 2014, not in 2013. Get your facts straight.
Camera choice is good, if you want an investment buy Land.
Things will always move faster when you’re covering fresh ground. DSLRs are mature technology and their slow pace of improvement reflects that.
Either that or it shows DSLR manufactures are becoming complacent and not even trying to innovate anymore.
During the time the A7R has been out, hasn’t Nikon released four cameras using that same basic sensor (D800, D810, D800E, D810E)?
D800 had been on the shelves for 18 months before A7r. D810 came about 24 months after D800. A7r was released mere 16 months ago.
Also, there is no D810E. I wonder where he got that idea?
Optionally you can stick to the camera you already have! 🙂
Nah, that’s crazy talk and you know it!
Do you buy a new vacuum cleaner every year because a new model is released when the old one is still working just fine? It’s called consumerism, planned obsolesce etc. The camera you have now is just fine and will provide many years of good service, stop chasing the latest and greatest which will do little to improve your results..
Welcome to the club.. I’m thinking to start a business where you can rent a Sony camera for 7 months
So if there is an A7R II in summer and an A9 later in the year. What price differences we’ll have to expect? An improved A7RII with IBIS sounds great. But if the price difference is small, I’ll wait.
The A7R is roughly priced at the same level as 6D and D610, so expect the A7R II to be slightly more expensive, and the A9 to be priced one step above that, i.e. similar to 5DS and D810.
Ok, so the price of the A9 would be about one and a half higher than the A7RII.
A7 and A7R were both priced very aggressively. The A7ii is significantly more expensive. I expect the same for the A7Rii.
I think that’s partly because they’re able to continue selling the a7 at a lower price point. Not sure they’ll be able to do that with the a7rii
The release price is always about 20 percent higher. The A7II is sold for the same price now, as I bought my A7 in Dec13.
A7RII with IBIS. A Humpless/Rangefinder model. And a Pro model later. It’s going to be tough choosing which to upgrade to…
ops, replying to wrong msg
The “humpless” model is supposed to be entry-level. If you don’t know whether to buy an entry-level model or a pro model, you need to think through what kind of photographer you are, and what you need.
Please have in camera stitching for 100MP MADNESS!
Do you mean the technology that shifts the sensor by 1/2 pixel in all directions?
Yes!
That’s not quite the same thing as stitching. Stitching results in a larger field of view than any of the constituent images, while the sensor-shift method give you the same field of view, but at a higher resolution.
Point taken…just gimmie gimmie gimmie gimmie!
Patience, my friend! It will come eventually.
There are no downsides to get it, especially if the body already has the mechanism to move the sensor for stabilisation.
There are two possible versions:
– move sensor by 1/2 pixel to produce higher resolution image;
– move sensor by 1 pixel to produce accurate colours, by cycling true red/green/blue sensors at each physical pixel position instead of interpolating like all bayer sensors do.
I personally would prefer the second one, but there is no downside to have both available 🙂
The Olympus version does both of those things by taking 8 images.
It’s called SSSS (Sony Shutter Shock Syndrome) and Sony already has complete claim to this in the original A7r.
Sure, if you how the camera like a camp hairdresser at a Brittany Spears concert – I could see it being an issue for you Mr Prius….
Who’s brittany spears?
If Sony have managed to put (A6000 or faster) on-sensor phase detect technology in their 36Mp FF sensor, I am sure it will be a huge hit, not only in a new A7rII camera, but I am sure others will be willing to buy it, like Nikon, Pentax.
consider the relation between A7 and A7II, for sony maybe this A7rII is just a general upgrade, adding ibis and better designed body. Same thing will happen on A7s, they already paid R&D cost for A7 body. so I assume focus and shutter sound will just stay the same
what really “NEW” is that long rumored A9 thing. with higher price，we are hoping at A6000 level focus, weather sealed，front curtain，lots of pixels，global shutter maybe, and much better looking body, when I say better, i mean that rangefinder look…..please,rangefinder look…
ok i know the RF look will never happen….
The A9 will go up against D4S and 1D X, so expect DSLR shape with integrated vertical grip and AF above the A6000 level.
Thats exactly what D4S and D1X users have been clamoring for…. A6000 AF. LOL
Those cameras have superior AF to the A6000, especially with respect to accuracy. That’s why I wrote “above the A6000 level”.
Nikon is able to deliver EFCS with a Sony 36MP sensor in the D810, so I would expect to see it in the A7RII as well.
Is Sony Alpha dead? Only see e-mount news
E-mount is “Alpha” technically now too, but yeah it’s not exactly looking good for the A-mount.
Without 14 bit color this camera line is DOA except for middle aged women on bus tours of Europe that want to go a step up from an iPhone.
….bada bing!
And yet there’s still just that single star-trails image that demonstrates any artifacts associated with RAW compression occurring in a real-world image…
Meanwhile sales are outstripping Sony’s own forecasts.
Posterization is more a problem in digital prints, which often exaggerate the effects of artifacts. An image can look ok on screen, but look horrible in print.
Off-set printing isn’t as sensitive as digital printing, though.
Which would be relavent if RAW compression caused posterisation in areas of continuous tones which would show up in print, but it doesn’t.
Posterisation can only occur in areas with very large brightness variations, not a problem for prints.
Look at the section about RAW compression in DPR’s review of the A7S. Posterization is clearly visible along high contrast edges:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7-s/13
dpreview bashed the a7s as much as they could… not really an honest review imho.
But the images speak for themselves. You don’t have to read the review, just look at the example of posterization.
I don’t consider a critical review to be the same thing as bashing, though.
yeah, well, it’s visible i cant deny that, but if i have to choose between 6fps and low size photos or 1-2fps and big size photos i choose lossy compression with posterization…
86% is one of the highest mark on dpreview…
It’s visible if you post-process the images, but that type of noise isn’t the sort of posterisation that creates large bands and ruins prints. I haven’t seen it in any of my skyline images to date.
It looks especially bad when printed with a high quality printer. Unfortunately it doesn’t show that well on screen. It’s like talking about the quality of a speaker and recording the speaker, it’s just not the same
Done plenty of big prints (24×36 and 30x40ish) from A7r with zero issues caused by Sony’s suspect 14bit color depth. Shutter shock on the other hand has been noticeable. Hopefully this is addressed in the A7RII
And yet all the rest of us (and 50,000 landscape hobbyists over on Fred Miranda) appear to be able to print fine from the A7 files. I suggest you two go take some remedial photography courses.
Have you ever thought about the possibility that you and your 50,000 friends might need to take a photography course, since it’s you who are unable to replicate the compression artifacts?
Lol, you propose taking courses to learn how to take faulty images? Why would one want to replicate those artifacts if they do not appear in the photography one does?? CRaw discussions are awesome….
You’re not arguing with a troll, but with one of the greatest comedians of all time. He’s a misunderstood genius, that fellow.
So your goal in photography is to reproduce artifacts? Anton and his lover Bob, you have to admit they are funny.
Well said!
The point is that in properly taken images, you do get artifacts. If you don’t get artifacts, you aren’t taking the images properly.
Digital images/files ARE ARTIFACTS. Want NO DIGITAL ARTIFACTS buy a roll of film FFS.
I don’t want unnecessary artifacts. As you are saying yourself, there are enough problems with digital files even without Sony’s lossy compression.
Wet plate collodion, what more can I say young man – your D810 is crap too.
I can replicate them, in actual fact, I can easily break that file 16bit Phase file or a 32bit scan. The skill (between me & you) is working within the limitations of your kit and exploiting its strengths. You guys (hobbyists) latch onto on issue, one limitation, and then proceed to throw your toys out the pram, you never get to explore the strengths of the system due to lack of lateral thought or creative drive.
LOL @ the forum idiot.
“I suggest you two go take some remedial photography courses”
Why would I need to? This problem doesn’t manifest itself with other cameras. An objective fact has nothing to do studying photography. I can prove my point quite simply, take a photograph with a canon or nikon camera at 100iso. Take the same photograph at 1600iso. Compare the file sizes of both shots. The 1600iso will be a larger file size because the noise introduces more information to the file.
Do the same with a sony a7 camera. The file size will stay roughly the same. The data is lost.
Argumentum ad numerum (argument or appeal to numbers). This fallacy is the attempt to prove something by showing how many people think that it’s true. But no matter how many people believe something, that doesn’t necessarily make it true or right. Millions of people would look up at the sky, they’d see a round sun, and a round moon, yet they would think the earth was flat. Were they correct? No. You do not need to take an astronomy course to know this fact.
Please keep in mind that my natural response was to label your argument as fallacious and not waste my time; however, this usually results in people telling me I use terms incorrectly (even though I do not).
I am at a loss. Perhaps the people on the forum you visit don’t print 30inch photographs with a high quality printer. Perhaps they view their files with a typical 8bit screen. I neither know, yet care; however, sony raw files are inferior to the competition.
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Argumentum ad numerum
Syntax error. Disapproved.
Verbal diarrhea.
He’s American, no doubt.
An obsession with fallacies, straw men and using a thousand words when ten will do.
He was educated in England, has an IQ of 156, is an authority on psychology, philosophy and everything inbetween, and speaks fluent Japanese. How could he possibly be an American?
MENSA member too.
To answer that you need to read about a lr reader at imaging-resource talking about the light leak. Then follow the person to 43rumors and this site. Then match to a recent statement about this site.
I use a thousand words because people are stupid.
My natural reply:
Flawed premise; false conclusion
All talk and no pictures makes Bob a hobbyist internet fauxtographer. Website puleeeeese!
Web images are oversampled by up to a factor of 20. There is nothing anyone can determine from looking at someone’s tiny little 2mb (or 5mb etc) JPEG image on a small screen that isn’t wide gamut and color corrected. The ‘great image’ you look at today on your sRGB monitor will fall apart as garbage on the screens of tomorrow. I really think Sony mirrorless owners suffer from a groupthink like delusion in defense of what is so readily visible to untrained eyes.
Nonsense, there’ll be plenty of PIXAR CGI for people like you & Bob to look back on, leave the art alone for the rest of us.
I think you’re full of crap. Post some of your images.
https://i.imgur.com/PouCqEJ.jpg
Third grade… C+
You just made a fool of yourself
No, simply a good judge of mediatory and self-delusion!
It’s not even C+ but okay
(3rd Grade graded art)
I got what you mean. It took less than half a minute to take. It’s a crap photo but what do you expect in that time frame? I’m confused
Why are you showing crap? I’ll grade you accordingly, now it’s a D- for lack off effort and personal integrity.
If I showed a good photo, you’re just going to say “it was published in a magazine, therefore it’s not yours!” even though I requested it be published… Or you’re going to say it’s crap even if you think it’s good. At least with this photo I can prove it’s mine (it differs to the published version) and we can both agree it’s crap
No, here’s what I do for my “special students” like you dear. You post a link to your site and I’ll email you at the site and when you reply to me, I’ll grade you fairly & appropriately.
As much as I’d love to be spammed with nonsense, my salary speaks for itself
And your salary is…?
I’m making popcorn now
No one would spam you dear if you simply stopped being an A$$. You’re obviously avoiding the issue, it takes a big dog to swallow 300,000 images, a computer and 45 years of your photography related BS.
So now you are telling me that that Peter Lik is better than you by definition, its a sad thing for my poor old ears to hear dear. Sigh…..
Why is your IP the same as Jack Sparrow’s? I am curious
And why is yours the same as mine?
It’s not; you’re from texas. Dallas to be exact
You didn’t even get the continent right. Berlin is in Europe!
England idiot!!!!
46.236.26.99 the only english IP to access the page. so you’re jack sparrow, mrs jacobs and also posting as anton
208.101.7.43 is in texas. You’re not anton. I’m not posting his IP.
By the way, the photograph I posted has an IP logger and since this terrible site forces images to load, I have every viewers IP of this page
That’s not my IP. I’m not American, and I have never been to America.
185.20.4.143, 46.236.26.99, 54.221.198.105, 208.101.7.43, 54.241.198.78, 216.46.190.190, 10.179.81.114, 54.241.198.78
Yes, I’m in there, but I’m not the Texan.
I know you are there
http://iplogger.org/1QNZ3.jpg
But you got my IP wrong before. I’m not in Texas, but in Europe.
46.236.24.53, 46.236.26.102
None of those are my IP. It’s in your previous list, and it shows that I’m not American.
I’ve established there are three other people that post with my name
Good to know that it’s not just one pathetic loser hanging out here, but several.
Well you got that wrong too, dipsh*t.
185.20.4.143?
My bad I made an error
http://iplogger.org/1nHK3.jpg
How could you link the IP address to the username if you are not an Admin?
You are not posting “his” IP because it is yours….
This is confusing. The whole thread is confusing.
Non Sequitur, now its a straight F.
http://iplogger.org/1gDC3.jpg
46.236.26.99 your ip
Well it looks like I hit a nerve here dear with my last post. Did you Google Peter Lik yet, I think you could have a lot in common! 😉
You did.
Bob, wasn’t that your head shot from the special olympics?
What do you think of the white paint? Does it look real to you? I am just curious
Bet you taught Pascal Dangin everything he knows, your arrogance knows no bounds.
Let me get a bowl to pick these names up; sycophant
Some of us know she-ite from shinola.
Some of you are the sh*te that gets stuck to my boots
Ah, that’s why you and Anton are having issues with the “shaky-shutter” its those do-me-boots you’re wearing. Try sensible shoes like Mrs Jacobs told you to wear.
Fail
Google search for this image on Google images.
It is not his.
He’s just a demented quack.
If you google search for it, you’ll see the one published is not quite the same. This is an earlier version. Look at the shoulders
Perhaps you photoshopped the shoulders?
Why would I waste time photoshopping the shoulders? If I were capable of doing that, and upscaling the image (the one published and posted are different sizes) without losing detail, without it being obvious, wouldn’t that prove my point that I understand how to use data!? This is simply an earlier version of the photograph
F+ now you lazy little sod. Stop pissing-around on this forum and Git Er Done!
BULLSH*T
You are right.
“Bob” posted this same image a couple of days ago and said:
“Series of photographs taken by a hasselblad for the olympics, with paint applied in photoshop not on the model. It kind of disproves everything you’ve been saying, especially since that series probably made me more money than you earn in a year”
“Perhaps I was simply getting your IP from you downloading the photograph”
You have comprehension problems.
The bazzhole is full of crap too.
Hi Barry Liar
I print A2 on a Epson 3880: Compared to my previous Nikon D800, prints from my A7R looks better!
Having said that, I agree that NOT having a non-destructive RAW option is utterly stupid by Sony. There is potential for even better that is not utilized.
anton again are crying like a kid.
One things for certain; whatever raw file technique they use the image quality will be superior to what you’re using now.
Sony hasn’t even admitted fault with their still advertised 14 bit color. Part of the problem is that most Sony mirrorless (SM) users don’t have the proper equipment to even make an evaluation. The average Sony user is coming from a Coolpix or Powershot and without a doubt the SM is a step up from those lines. But when you get some good lenses, take some challenging shots and have the right equipment to post with one begins to realize over time that the Sony files (11+7 lossy compression) can’t stand up to the task. Banding, compression artifacts, posterization, etc all come into play. Nikon files have no such problem because every bit of color information is present. Up to 10x the data that Sony file gives.
https://sonyvnikon.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/untitled.jpg
Unfortunately they don’t even need to admit fault.
Their legalese is somewhat amusing,
“Any Dispute Resolution Proceedings, whether in arbitration or court, will be conducted only on an individual basis and not in a class or representative action…”
I.E you cannot sue them
i.e. oops
So you really are Max “Anton” Berlin…
Don’t be so sure! I’m here too.
So you are Max Berlin too….
By that logic, so are you. 😉
Max Berlin = Meta-troll = Anton Berlin, Bob and other aliases…
The IP addresses would disprove your cocnclusion. I am Meta-Troll, and I know for a fact that Bob/Anton is another person. I use both their names, though.
It was the same thing over at 43rumors, when I used to troll there. People accused me of being the only name-changing troll, despite my insistence that there were at least two of us.
We might both be using the same VPN. We’re not but I mean it’s possible
In the US, anyone can sue anyone for anything at anytime. Whether they will prevail is a whole other matter.
What about video & audio resolution? That’s only 1/3 the equation!
Red herring.
What is a red herring? Elaborate
It’s a fish.
What’s a fish got to do with anything?
I don’t understand the question.
Should we start calling you Christopher Hitchens ghost?
Data != information
Fine, I read the photographylife article on this issue. You are correct that there is a “problem.” However, you can cite 10x the data but you have to look at it qualitatively as well. The author points this out by stating 90% of photographers won’t care or notice. Is it a shame? Yes. Is it the end of the world? No. For those that don’t like it they have the option of shooting the better system IMO- A mount. At least- at the moment.
Seriously, of all the things you could have chosen to make into your own personal holy war (corruption, poverty, war, equal rights) campaigning against a compression algorithm used by a particular camera manufacture is very odd.
What’s worse is that you don’t have enough knowledge of signal processing to even understand what you’re writing. You need 14 bits in the ADC to maximise dynamic range because that’s a linear operation. After that you can apply a curve and throw many of those bits away without any visual impact or reduction in DR, as you don’t need as many bits in the bright areas as you do in the dark. Nikon’s lossy RAW compression uses a nonlinear 12 bit space, with only 4096 possible values. Sony’s uses an 11 bit space with 2048 possible values. It sounds like a huge loss compared to the 16,384 possible values you get with 14 bits, but in reality it isn’t, because you’re losing it from the highlights where you don’t really need it.
You’re wrong in theory and in practice.
https://sonyvnikon.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/we-are-not-alone-sonys-lossy-117-bit-raw-files/
Well no, the RAWdigger article and the first Diglloyd backs up exactly what I’ve said with regards to tone curves, Lloyd goes on and on about every defect he can find in any camera and then attempts to charge people to find out more. Ming Thein did something very weird to his image and then falsely ascribed it to RAW compression, if you look at his artifacts they’re totally different from Lloyd’s and RAWdigger’s. Thom Hogan is merely “uncomfortable” with the idea of lossy compression.
Usually, even when searching for the issue people zoom in to 200% to really make it visible. The vast majority of scenes doesn’t have a large enough DR difference to bring up the issue, too. I would like to have the option for at least 12bit lossless compressed files (usually more than enough to deal with e.th. beyond ISO 200 on a D810, as demonstrated and measured by Jim Kasson). But shooting an A7ii vs. a D810 and D610 I saw some issues only in night scenes close to light sources after pulling shadows and clarity to large levels. For usual print sizes it is beyond recognition. For someone like Ming Thein making a living of Ultraprints I can understand his reservation, for 99.9% of the users out there it probably isn’t and again mostly blown out of proportion.
Good to see Matt is saving the world from corruption, poverty, war, equal rights and overzealous photographers all at the same time. How will he ever have the time to pick up his Nobel prize?
Simple, the time I saved by not going on every single SAR thread and posting the same “11+7” comment, not setting up and entire website on the topic and not creating petitions, open letters and invitations to class action lawsuits affords me plenty of time for charity work 🙂
He’s got obsessive compulsive disorder.
Nice name! 😀
I wouldn’t buy into the system either unless they fix it. check out recent review on photographylife.com as proof. It’s not good enough for the images I want to make and print 70″+ wide.
All that review said was “Such artifacts might also show up in print”, they didn’t actually make any prints to test their theory. If you’re not shooting nightscapes you’ll probably be fine.
I do nightscapes, cityscapes, twighlightscapes on occasion. “Probably fine” isn’t good enough to spend many thousands of dollars in my opinion.. I am anxiously awaiting this fix, improved AF speed and faster electronics so I can buy into it. The RAW performance in the PL review was also pitiful. Sony can do better.
I shoot nightscapes occasionally too with the A7R. I’m preparing one for a large print at the moment and there’s nothing I can find anywhere in the image that requires any sort of fix in Photoshop.
Reviews are there to find faults, Fred Miranda gave an example of the “edge noise” that results from the RAW compression in his review of the A7R, but that didn’t stop him buying the camera to use as his main landscape camera (I’m willing to believe he prints pretty big…)
It’s up to you, for me I would take the possibility of slight edge artifacts over the severe shadow noise I used to get in every single Canon RAW file. If you’re currently shooting with a D800 then it’s probably not worth switching unless you really need to save weight.
thanks for sharing your experience Matt. I shoot with D600 and fairly happy. Yeah, looking for something lighter for fast hiking / carrying more food.
https://500px.com/melmyers76
http://www.melmyersphotography.com/
Mel – ‘cake girl’ and ‘last car on the lot’ are outstanding.
I’d post my 2nd beach photos too but regretfully they were taken pre-nikon days and I am a little ashamed of the majority of my A7r photos now that I am shooting Nikon.
Aside from a little too much saturation for my taste in some of your photos, I like them a lot. You’re a good photographer.
Sony compression issues show up in daylight, in shadows and to some degree in every photo one takes with Sony mirrorless.
https://sonyvnikon.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/we-are-not-alone-sonys-lossy-117-bit-raw-files/
Your site reads like one of those moon landing conspiracy or climate change denial sites, except that they usually have at least some images or original research.
Do you even own a Sony camera? The lack of original examples on your site suggests not. Take it from someone who does actually own one (instead of a reviewer whose job is to find faults) I’ve not seen any significant problem in *any* of over 4,000 images, let alone every single one of them.
Your lack of reading comprehension is shocking. There are multiple tests showing side by side A7r and D810 uses with same lens and at the same time.
Are you shooting RAW ?
Are you processing on a wide gamut screen ?
Are you using ETTR ?
If all of those are “yes” send me any full size properly exposed RAW image that is shot at ISO 64 or 100 and includes a composition with any of these: a dark blue sky gradient against a contrasting lit background. A city at night, the moon against a night sky, buildings against a sunset, a red/green contrast zones.
Put it here and then post the link –
https://www.transferbigfiles.com/
I can’t say I bothered to read beyond that post you linked to, it just instantly reminded me of other sites that contain a whole load of quotes from other sources, and just seems to be trying too hard to make a point.
It sunk in later but you’ve only taken 4,000 images ? That’s an ordinary month for me. I’ve taken close to 50,000 images in the last 2 years.
Subtract the 49k of your cat and it’s about equal.
It’s up to 5,500 now, and that’s in 10 months, so I’m shooting around 7000 a year right now, mostly landscape / cityscape. I used to shoot a lot of weddings and could do that in a month, but these days I’m taking it a bit easier.
Illuminati.
So all those professional full time photographers that do great work are bus tour women o.O? Wake up
which professional full time photographers are using the a7?
Lofote didn’t mention A7, nor did Berlin.
And I ask (basically) the same as Lofote:
“So what about all Pro’s that today doesn’t rely on 14-bit color???”
…”this camera line” a7 line? The thread is about the next a7.
Pros aren’t using Sony unless Sony is paying them to. There are a hundred decent reasons to pick Canon or Nikon and 2 great reasons to avoid Sony mirrorless. 1. Sony’s compression of RAW files. 2. Astigmatism.
I am a pro and use Sony and the tide is turning my friend.
and you are one of husbands of the bus tour women OR the photographer travelling with them from what AB said 😉
Getting $50 for your sister’s wedding doesn’t count.
Yippee! Anton is back with some 11+7 talk. Keep it up bro. We count on you!
Sony – don’t make mistake, and do not forget about e mount apsc
They dont, just one after the other
I believe that new A7rII will have 48MP sensor and nothing more except new 5-axis steady shot feature.I hope I am wrong but I believe it would be some copy from A7mkII
I guess they will just use the 36Mp sensor with EFCS + 5-axis IBIS.
They will put the new sensor in A9
Would be better if they found a way to implement the hybrid focus…
I believe you don’t have a clue, but I hope I’m wrong.
I am waiting for a new Sony’s roadmap i.e. 2015-2016 before to buy my new camera.
Why not just buy the road map and forget about the camera.
We need a rumor site dedicated to roadmap rumors. Not rumors about products, but rumors about roadmaps.
I’d rather have a roadmap for rumors, this is simply too thrilling and unpredictable for me.
well hey, why choose one or the other when you can have one website for roadmap rumors and a second website for rumor roadmaps?!
of course then you’d need two additional websites to support these, namely for roadmap roadmaps and rumor rumors respectively
Yeah makes sense. For a pro to consider Sony … there is much left to be desired. Now there are like 2 good/price/performance/size lenses for the system. 55mm 1.8 and 28mm .. and the second one of those lenses is not even tested yet. A decently priced 85 1.8.. is higly needed as is 135mm for portaiture work.
A mount has some great lenses here. An A99ii with 135/1.8 could be a great combo for portraits. Pair this with the A7s/A7ii with 55/1.8 and 28/2 and you can cope with many situations. For events I would prefer an A99ii compared to the A7x right now.
As far as I remember, their roadmap for 2014-2015 was announced in November 2014… I guess you’ll have to wait till 2018 for the roadmap you’re talking about
Yes, some sar users are all for it. They should demand Sony to stop giving us new bodies and lenses. Give us ‘roadmap’; that’s what we want.
Here are my guesses:
1) Resolved shutter vibration problem
2) IBIS, A7 II body
3) Improved AF system, maybe a little better than A7 II, but nothing like A6000…
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I would really want to see new or improved manual focus aids (like dual screen in Fujis or better focus peaking or better viewfinder) but it won’t happen 🙂
High resolution + IBIS, lookes like the high ISO one is not necessary to have the successor unless they really make a massive step
I wouldn’t say that. It just appears they’re rolling out the mk2 versions in the same order they did the mk1 versions. I’m sure the S will come in due time.
A7R and A7 came out at the same time 😉
Well, regardless, they were both out before the S.
If Sony 7R mk II is one of the FF camera and the second one is Sony A9, it means there s no plan for A Mount FF camera before summer? Moreover what about Sony APS-C high end camera rumors?
Just wait… Patience 😉
i was making fun :p because i m E mount :p owner… I expected more A mount fans crying with me 😀
IMO. Sony has no plans for A-mount FF period, ever.
There’s no point. And no profits to be made from this.
The market is too small and the technology is simply too old. – redundant
Sony is making the right choice by putting all there chips on mirrorless tech. To which I’d add, will prove true if they release a mirrorless high MP mirrorless camera to compete with Canon’s recent release.
Tell that to Canon & Nikon who are still greatly outselling Sony mirrorless with traditional DSLRs. There’s still a lot of money in full sized camera systems, Sony just needs to innovate.
Sony is innovating with their FF mirrorless cameras.
DSLR is still selling because mirroless is still doing catch up.
Remeber when flip phones were outselling Smart Phones?
Sony also innovated with A99 and A77II, they just need to innovate further — particularly on the more pro-friendly A99-level full sized camera. Remember, Sony SLT cameras are NOT DSLR cameras.
MirrorlessRumors site wrote : ” The new Sony A7rII is coming in about 1 month from now. Likely to have the same A7II 5 axis stabilization and same 36MP sensor.” 🙁
I would seriously consider buying THAT camera. Especially if they managed to add a silent shutter option too. 50mp is excessive at this point.
that would be fantastic, give me an electronic first curtain shutter, better AF and Im in, the second they announce it 🙂 36mpix aaaall the way
I agree this is what I was really hoping for
I think Bob and Anton need to come clean, and admit that they are the same person, indeed the same person that is behind at least 75% of all the anonymous guest posts on this site.
He’s another person – why do you try to focus on this instead of the obvious problems with Sony mirrorless ?
Anton Berlin : Smeagol = Bob : Gollum
If the problem is obvious no one needs to focus on it.
A900RII please.
Yes, this would be a great release.
I would prefer a A900s.
I’m waiting these cameras:
a-Mount
A99 II
e-Mount
A7R II
A700 (APS-C better than A6000)
RX1R II
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I already have:
A99
A77II
LAEA4 Adapter
14 Lenses
3 Sony Flashes
A700 is an old DSLR.
I know, but perhaps they put this name in the next flagship aps-c e-mount camera.
No. They won’t.
A7000
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr2-possible-a7000-specs-24mp-3-axis-stabilization-2-3m-dot-evf/
Congratulations.
So you have the LAEA4 but you don’t have any E-mount camera?
Yes
I bought this month
I´m waiting for a camera above a6000
There will be no A99 successors from Sony.
All efforts are on mirrorless tech now.
Really sad if they don’t release the mark II.
The A77II is a great camera.
For the A7s mkII….the rumors for this seem to be pretty dead. I know there is a consumer demand for internal 4k, however I suspect that the Sony Pro division would STRONGLY oppose for the A7s-II to have internal 4k.
I suspect that from thier point of view, that would threaten their upper models way too much and hurt their “pro video” sales numbers.
Damn…A7s II with internal 4k and SLOG?…wow! What a monster that would be.
I think the A7s has an equal impact on the stills and video side. If they can’t improve the video side, they can still fix the amp glow, sensor shift hi-res via IBIS, more efficiency silent shutter (less hot pixels) and higher FPS or truly 14-bit raw option. There is a lot to do without threatening their Pro Video Segment.
I am not concerned here. Panasonic, Samsung, etc. will make sure internal 4K becomes standard feature on high end mirror-less. The market will force this whether Sony Pro like it or not. It’ll come – if not at NAB in April, then at IBC in fall.
The a7r isn’t the camera for video. The a7 II body with the a7s sensor may not overheat with 4k processing. If it’s going to happen, it will be with that one first. Sony will probably up the price to $3500 for it though.
Internal 4k is not a big deal, I think those software staff can be patch it by a major firmware update if they want.
Can someone explain me why images produced by new A7II look worse (more digital, artificial colours) than these produced by A7? If Sony will tinker at A7rII sensor and will change it in the same way how it worsen it A7II, than I will have to say to Sony adieu. Hope it will not happen and A7rII will render the same image as A7r, for which I wait for.
Agree with @zenzarino:disqus 100%. I don’t see how they don’t come with his #’s 1-3 in the A7R II… But outside of wanting silent shutter mode in this camera: most of my wish list firmware, and might in some cases would require a boost in processing power:
1. Ability to add F-number to EXIF while using legacy lenses (via adjusting Aperture dial to match whatever aperture setting you have selected on the lens)
2. Savable Lens profiles for Legacy lenses (THAT CODE TO EXIF)
3. Programmable AUTO ISO algorithms
4. Dual screen Focus Magnification (a la Fuji)
5. Improved Focus peaking. (Maybe a gradient color scheme. When there are less focus peaking points in the viewfinder the color is yellow but as they increase it turns red.)
6. Camera is fully operational when using Smart Remote APP (RAW capture, etc.)
7. Every app for that matter should allow fully operational camera options and settings. If this is not possible, then certain apps functionality needs to be baked into the entire cameras OS: time-lapse intervalometer, lens compensation, focus bracketing…
8. Fully programmable timer (1 second, 2 seconds, 30 seconds whatever)
9. Allow timer before bracket capture mode!
10. Bracket with 1.0 EV increments.
11. Built in intervalometer (why does this have to be a buggy app?)
12. Ability to assign Silent Shutter toggle to a custom button
13. If Sony insists on not including GPS in these cameras, at least come out with some sort of app (or build it into the “playmemories” iphone/android app) that can act as a sidecar file index (without having to transfer every file to the iphone.
14. Bulb Mode (Time Mode; a la Olympus) Watch the Long Exposure as it is ongoing. This would just be cool, not really crucial.
Update your version of the smart remote! The current one gives you RAW and almost completely control over the camera (the only annoying thing left really is that you can’t magnify for manual focus or focus check, but you can AF remotely and have complete control over the shooting parameters)
Also the lens compensation Ap goes allow you have a saveable profile for legacy lenses, and it codes to EXIF in the latest version (though annoyingly only on the A7II and presumably the new one)
Is Sony good for my selfie?
Kim, please take a selfie with this device. You want to load it first with some high quality hollow point film. One pull of the trigge… er uh shutter is all the world is hoping for.
You are wasted as a troll…. You are a good comedian.
I’ll be appearing nightly through the rest of the week.
Wow, I’m impressed Anton. Seriously! I thought you are either dumb as a potato or I’m too stupid to understand your kind of humor. But I was wrong. You are actually quite funny.
But don’t get me wrong. That doesn’t mean you are less annoying.
Stop stalking me, dear Antiny(you know what) Berlin…
I may be wrong, but it would make sense that the 50mp sensor comes out for the A-mount full frame camera first. I would think that built in phase detect on a high resolution sensor may not yield fast AF times initially (but this is just a conjecture).
Might make sense but I would not bet on it. Sony has had a 36mpix sensor for a couple years now. Let us add up how many nikon cameras use one, I believe three. How many e- mount cameras, one. How many A-mount? Zero. I can’t see Sony at this point letting A-mount get a leg up on their beloved E-mount camera. At best the offering will be at the same time. They were too quick to mention that they sell more E-mounts than A-mounts. They consider their A-mount as a break even sales point which gives them the excuse to not develop or make any. Sony is setting the ground work that not making an A-mount camera is not their fault but simply there is not enough people who wants it.
You would think by all the people that complain about A mount development that there is a HUGE market for it, but sales numbers say otherwise. I hope it changes in the future. Compelling products may shake the A mount market out of the doldrums. The A77II is a great product. Even better products would perhaps help Sony revive the A mount marketplace. I would love mirror less A mount APS-C and full frame cameras.
Do you have rumors about what will the PRO model offer over A7RII ?
I think this will be the A9 camera.
A 54mp mirrorless prosumer camera, aimed at competing with Canons latest release.
That said, given Sony’s lead in mirrorless technology, this seems like the most lucrative move on their part. – Though a harsh reality for the A-mount(A99) owners as Sony’s intent begins to sink in. But an understandable move nonetheless.
Not possible to have a “PRO” E-Mount camera with those tiny little pi$$phart batteries.
“Hey, are those extra batteries you have in your lumpy pockets, or are you just happy to see me”?
Luckily the batteries are not part of the mount!
So an E mount camera could use a car battery in the future. Let us hope thy use Lithium battery form a hybrid not the lead ones that weigh a ton 🙂
There is nothing that says E-mount cameras have to use the same battery across the range.
But it would be a lot cooler if they did. Already have a pile of batteries 🙂
Yes. I don’t want to buy a different battery and possibly another charger.
Maybe the camera can have dual battery slots or something.
A clever monkey would design A-Mount battery compartment that could accommodate both E and A batteries. I’ve measured, and it’s possible, especially with the notch on the larger ones.
Well I have the Sony charger that charges several types of batteries, so why not?
The charging time is TOO long, I used to have a Canon 500D, and it takes a half of time to finish the charging.
Just give me full, uncompressed RAW files. That’s all I ask……
When you say RAW, what are we talking here? Raw as like…rare or like medium well done?
Raw as in not cooked.
yawn….
yea
https://www.change.org/p/kazuo-hirai-enable-uncompressed-or-lossless-compression-raw-files-on-the-a7-cameras-and-future-f-e-mount-cameras
Prepare yourself for an onslaught of parasites.
I can’t fight this feelin anymore. I forgot what A mount started fighten for..or! It’s time to bring this ship into the shore, and throw away screw drive forever…de.de..dede…
I wonder what would A-mount’s object of desire be in that song? Could it possibly be …ahem…E-mount?? The bond between them being the A to E mount adaptor, how romantic 🙂
Good. Time to put the A7m2 on eBay.
for me all this camera needs is a quieter shutter/silent shutter mode, and the 5 axis stabilisation, a bonus would be a new LA EA adapter to be announced alongside! 36mp is more than enough for me
I see several wish list posts, which is also my reaction. The A7R is frustratingly close to being a stellar camera, but the shortcomingx rule it out for me.
If all Sony do is the same (terrific) changes from A7 to A7II, I will be very disappointed. For me the shutter must be tamed – quieter and electronic first curtain are must haves, as is a6000 like on sensor autofocus. Big nice to haves, bordering on must have, include uncompressed raw, and laea w/o slt that uses full capability of on sensor autofocus and is as fast per lens as when the lens is on an a99 (for electronic focus, screw drive nice too but very low priority). Weather resistance and viewfinders can never be too good, and better app extensibility is always welcome – but these last things won’t effect my purchase decision, only how delighted (or not) I am.
My nex7 is showing its age so I’m dying to spend money on a replacement, but so far there is no Sony that I would prefer. Not sure how many more new cameras I can stand being disappointed by before I give up and try Fuji, or Samsung, or m4/3, or…damn I’m picky, this won’t be easy.
Please Sony fix all the A7R flaws that get mentioned so often on this blog. You will sell more A7RIIs if you do.
I guess I’ll be the ONLY one to say it… 120fps@1080p ffs. Only action cameras have been able to do it until Panny and then Samsung, SAMSUNG FFS beat Sony to the punch with the NX1. Sony officially shits the bed if they do not offer a higher frame rate then 60fps at 1080p. You can lead the mirrorless game all you want but this is a feature EVERYONE loves to have in their arsenal. None of that 720p bullcrap
a7s mk2 please!
-IBIS
-Slog3
-10bit video
-3G-SDI
-false color
-assignable buttons to any menu function you want
(internal 4k can be for the A9)
my concerns are at all time high, as a E mount and A mount user there’s a few upsets with regards to the A mount, notably draw backs on the SLT having a negative impact on the image quality (sharpness and noise) and now with 5 axis stabilization on the E mounts the concerns are what does A mount offer over E mount? more native lenses is that it? The next A mounts need to be a serious departure from the half efforts of my A99 and moderate upgrade of the A77ii. The E mount offers me better image quality and superior stabilization and now an array of refreshing lenses being released i can see why my A mounts lack usage on photo works notably weddings. Should i sell or should i hopeful that sony elevates the A mount into a semi pro or pro arena competing with the likes of the 1dx or D4 or even the 5dr. i can dream cant i?
A Pro camera need weather sealing, E-mount so far = 0 , lenses = 0 , when will Sony be serious about that??
I hope they include photoshop actions or lightroom on the display! So I can finish pictures before I shot them.
In a few weeks we will know the bodies and their specs. Until then, go out and enjoy the great cameras you already have! 🙂
My only interest is the RX2 with curved FF sensor making the lens as compact as on the Contax T2 or T3. Thankyou Sony for making all my dreams come true.
And possibly a versatile zoom lens, which would have to be fast and small enough 🙂
The size of the Contax T2/T3 lenses has nothing to do with a curved sensor. As far as I know was the film plane in aforementioned cameras not curved.
The image quality of a lens like the 35/2 on the RX1 is impossible in a size of a T2/T3 lens, even if you can correct the field curvature a little less.
SIGN THE PETITION FOR SONY TO FIX 11+7 LOSSY COMPRESSION
https://sonyvnikon.wordpress.com/2015/02/25/the-petition-to-sony-to-fix-117-lossy-compression/
Here is another one it would do no harm anyway by subscribing both in order to put as much as possible pressure and “media publicity” on the issue to convince sony to fix it…..
https://www.change.org/p/kazuo-hirai-enable-uncompressed-or-lossless-compression-raw-files-on-the-a7-cameras-and-future-f-e-mount-cameras
Nevertheless i have some doubts that it would be so easy to fix it just via firmware update/software…i think it has more to do with used algorithms and within workflow of the hardware bionic z sensor design/processor (engine)….
Back to topic…
We know now that the A7rII successor and the Sony A5 entry fullframe are coming on the next announcement date…..
On the following announcement date probably the A7sII, RX2 and maybe other stuff….
It is the same petition.
Whats bad about the compression ? just curious. I’ve been using A7 for awhile, but I’m not too sure what the compression problems are. Any examples so I can look for it?
Haven’t you seen the link???
Its just something for people to cry about. The only people that notice the issue with 11+7 is uber nerd photographers. By using the 11+7 bit Sony give you the ability to store bayer grid images while saving a bunch of space. You can fit more shots in the buffer. Take a picture from a 11+7bit and one from 14bit using the same sensor and lens, and show it to people and they will never know the difference.
Exactly.
But look at the bright side of it: When people really have problems like this, it shows us, that they have no serious problems. Which is a good thing.
“… The Sony lie of 14 bit color makes all Sony mirrorless cameras worthless to any user.”
How do you know that? This an impudent lie. Look at the internet (Google is your friend) and see the millions of wonderful photos and movies made with a Sony A7 series camera.
You obviously not joking. You want to be taken serious. But if you crying like a 3 year old kid who didn’t got his candy, anybody will laugh their ass off about you.
Word of advice: If you are really unable to take pictures with a Sony mirrorless, take whatever camera you want, but get out and shoot! Otherwise, no camera will ever be useful for you.
BTW: I signed the petition, but definitively not because of the childish statements on your site. The bulls**t you are talking is not serving the petition.
Never mind the toy-size cameras. Where is the A99 successor?
This is my wish list:
1) larger selection of grid lines.
2) non-mushy shutter release button.
3) there is no 3.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1354436/3#12921938
http://i.imgur.com/xwBSLDg.jpg
Explanation from a coder