I got this from one trusted source and I hope to double confirm it soon (including exact announcement hour). The source said the RX100M3 will be announced on Thursday May 15. Specs have been confirmed by multiple sources and here they are again in case you missed to read them:
20MP sensor (same as RX100M2 model)
ISO 125-25600
24-70mm f/1.8-2.8 lens
Built in View finder (SVGA OLED Tru-Finder 1440k dots)
Tiltable screen (180 degrees up)
Record in XAVC S format (Same format of the Sony A7s but with no 4K output option).
Almost same size and weight as the current RX100/M2 models.
I have been told all other specs are the same of the current RX100II model.
Price is said to be around 800-850 Euro in Europe. Should be around $800-850 in USA (US price is my guess)
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FT4? Shouldn’t that be SR4?
It’s what happen when the same person (or staff) run all the Fuji, 4/3, Sony, etc rumors website 😀
Any word on touch screen for the LCD and if its available in europe by end of june ?
Going on a trip then and have not decided between rx10 or rx100m2 or m3 if out by then
Just realized, with the rx10 i could keep using my NEX batteries.
Maybe they make the new rx100 with some sort of grip like rx10 and fit the same battery 🙂
what is equivalent aperture for 35mm format?
24-70mm ?
LOL
Sorry misread your question.
There is a good comparison for the rx10 on the dpreview test of the sony rx10 the 2.8 eq is somewhere at 7.6 if i am not mistaken.
Have a look there.
Crop factor is 2.7 so the effective aperture is roughly 2.8 x 2.7 = 7.6. This is in terms of depth of field, not in terms of light gathering per unit area on the sensor.
All that matters is total light any other claims are just nonsense
total light = exposure { The total light per area
(photons / mm²) that falls on the sensor while the shutter is open} x effective sensor area. It really is that simple though according to the hundreds /thousands of ill informed small sensor user posts like yours you would think it was the Hodge conjecture
@Frank G: What part of “This is in terms of depth of field, not in terms of light gathering” do you fail to understand?
Sid I am not sure what you are complain to Frank about, apart from his grumpy tone. Looks like he has spent one too many times explaining equivalence to the mFT crowd lol. But , he is right a 26mm F2.8 lens on a 1”
sensor is equivalent to an F7.6 70mm lens on FF. Equivalent , being same AOV, same DOF and critically same total light. I may just be picking you both up wrong English is not my native language.
Hi Jantheman. I think Frank was saying exactly the same thing as I was, which is why I was confused why he was calling my post “ill-informed”.
There are three things at play here:
1) Angle of view
2) depth of field
3) light per unit area.
The first two need to be treated together if you state one or the other as being “35mm equivalent”. The third doesn’t. Taking my RX100 at the wide end as an example:
1) 10.4mm –> 28mm FoV equivalent to FF
2) f/1.8 –> f/4.86 DoF equivalent to FF
3) light per unit area -> the same as FF
If this is ill-informed, I’d be interested to know why so that I can learn 🙂
It is refeshing to three guys who all seem to have got the science right , having issues because of the flawed medium of forum chat lol. Aparte from Frank being a touch testy the exchange was pretty reasonable.
Well they all have part of it right.
Fact is, at exact same parameters, the FF will have a much wider angle ; )
You forgot:
4) light captured within angle of view -> f/7.6 equivalent to FF
5) unit areas covering an angle of view -> a tiny fraction of FF
Looks sweet. But gonna hold out until it’s $499 US.
Much too expensive at that announced 850$. That camera, even with viewfinder, should not exceed 550$ at issue.
The Canon g16 with a much smaller sensor , poor optical VF no EVF cost $550 at launch. The RX100mk2 which has been very successful is tsill selling for $695 with no evf so there is zero chance of the mark 3 being any lower.
I agree – $850 is to much – same or even more than the a6000 –
Fuji X30 might be on the way with a 1 inch sensor and a longer lens 28-110 F2.0-2.8 and the X20 was at $599 – Fuji seems to keep the same price for upgrades – Sony likes to hike price for upgrades – it is like if Apple hiked the price every time there was a processor upgrade – we would be pay $10.000 for a mac today – I guess the a6000 was not much of a hike – but then there was not much of a hardware change except sensor and processor – software changes should not need a hike in price –
The x30 will almost certainly be at least 700.
What about real specs? You know, manual controls and the likes. It may be important for those of us who actually take photos.
Manual controls, well if you have ever tested a Rx100 mk1/mk2 then you’d know that it has good controls if you want to go fully manual.
No, they are not very good, and it has nothing to do with “going fully manual”. It’s about control. Control is a thing you need to take pictures.
Has about as many controls as an a6000.
Not good enough then. Maybe the next release, in 6 months, will have better controls, and will lose some other feature – it’s a game of imperfection.
So you’re looking for DSLR functionality in a compact point and shoot? Seems like your expectations may be just a bit too high.
Control is a thing you need to converse. No matter how many different logins you assume your lack of mouth control always shines through.
You don’t control yourself, you don’t have any influence. You have the worst comment/influence ratio of all forum users.
* And you have yet to prove you’ve ever taken any “pictures”.
With bionzx cpu, af and iso performance should be advanced conpared to rx100ii
the rx10 seems to be worse than rx100ii in the iso department
Hm. The 4mm on the short end are very welcome, but 70mm at the long end is a bit too short for my taste.
XAVC video format is welcome for FCP users.
The price seems to be too ambitous. For the same money man could buy an A6000 with the 16-50 Pancake. Yes, I am aware that it is less fast, but regarding DOF better.
Yea but you can’t fit the A6000 in your jeans…
Yep, sure the RX100M3 is smaller and lighter than an A6000 combo.
But for my jeans pockets even the RX100M1 (which I own) is a bit too chunky. 🙂
Yea only the Canon s series or smaller fit comfortably imo
Obviously ,we dont yet know for sure however I imagine that the lens on the Sony will be significantly better than the 16-50 { which is hardly a star} . The selling point for the RX100 models is its size/weight and true potability compared to image quality ratio. Even the a6000 with the smallest poorest zoom for it is nowhere near as small
http://camerasize.com/compact/#535.360,332,ha,t
Agree regarding size.
But I doubt if the compact camera’s lens will be “significantly” better under field conditions. I don’t talk about light gathering – that’s clear in favour of the RX100M3.
I did this comparison just to indicate a difficult price-performance-ratio for the 100M3.
DoF will slightly be in favour of the RX100 III as well.
Thanks for correcting. You are right.
It’s 4.9-7.6 for the 100M3 and 5.3-8.4 for the A6000 combo.
Compared it the other way around. 🙂
Not a huge difference of course and the RX is fixed. The difference is likely to be the size and possibly the quality of the lens (one woukd hope it’s better than the kit zoom).
True, but there are other options for the A6000 that will slay the RX DOF, and the PADF will be faster to focus, plus more MP, plus better DR, plus less noise at high ISO, etc… Anything over $500 for a compact puts you into some pretty good mirrorless options including the Oly pen 5 sales going on right now ($400 for two lenses), Fuji XA1, Panny GM1, and used EM5’s now are selling around $500.
So unless you need maximum portability, there are numerous options when you get into the $800 range. I’m sure it’ll be a great camera, but when you get to that price level it starts to become a niche camera since the average consumer really doesn’t care about XVAC video, 1.8 lenses and so on. Sony should have updated the RX100 and placed this above it as the RX200, because at $800 they’re killing a great line. I’ll but one at the end of the year for $400 when the RX100mk4 comes out.
I guess it will have to be a pop-up viewfinder. There is no way to put one on an RX100 currently without making the unit larger or the lcd smaller.
It might me one similar to what the Panasonic LF1 has but pop up might be interesting but the question is will it be sturdy enough –
Having an EVF built into the camera is a big deal. When I hike I keep my RX100M2 with the optional EVF snapped to the top of it. I was photographing tiny spring flowers (see attached).
I have a small weather proof case I keep on my sternum strap where I get to it quickly. This case is where I keep my RX100M2. I use a tiny tripod and the upturned EVF to manually focus. My heart sank when I noticed the EVF had fallen off the camera when I pulled the camera camera from the case. It was not in the case. Luckily, I found it in the leaves at my feet! Having the EVF built into the camera is something I wish I had.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/24969967@N06/14121044716/player/
I am with you Dave no EVF no sale. It was the only thing that put me of the RX100mk2 , as a keen hillwalker the RX100 mk 3 looks to be a real winner as a true go everywhere compact camera. The FDA-EV1MK costs £300 here in the UK .
I’m curious as heck as how Sony is going to manage to squeeze a pop-up EVF onto the tiny RX100 body?!?! Yes, the discreet EVF is an expensive option that will be included in MK3.
The ONLY thing I wish Sony would do is add the PDAF to the RX line. That is the one draw of the Nikon 1, and for the price premium Sony is charging on this line, there is no reason not to have the best technology they have to offer. With Nikon adding 1″ sensors to a couple of Coolpix, there is the possibility that they could do it as well.
If the EVF would be of the type in the Panasonic LF1 body, it might as well not be included at all … 200k pixels come’on !
If OTOH it is a 1.44MP OLED EVF then I’m in !
Curious how Sony could do such a thing.
I don’t expect such inferior EVF in the mark III, I would guess a variation on the RX10 EVF.
If those specs are correct, it has the potential to be an amazing camera… Faster and wider lens, built in EVF, 180 degree tilt LCD, XAVC-S recording; actually it is cheap compared to the mark II with EVF, although it is expensive for a compact camera. My only doubt is whether it will stay the same size.
Why would anyone buy a camera at all, when there are so many more fulfilling and worthwhile hobbies to pursue? I will never understand this. What drives you people to walking around with devices that makes flat, two-dimensional imperfect copies of reality? What do you hope to accomplish with this bizarre behaviour? Are you insane, is that it? Yes haha, that must be it, you’re completely out of your minds. Hahahahaha.
As you say: “You will never, never understand this”. So You get a hobby !
Same tripe you posted over at 43Rumors.
http://www.43rumors.com/poll-will-you-buy-the-new-e-pl7-e-m10-clone/#disqus_thread
Yes, that guy is real buIsh.t ! Just pissing around in different forums.
You know, I’m not specifically against m4/3 or Sony Alpha, but photography in general. So I will spread my message anywhere where there are photographers.
Already been to Canon and Nikon forum ? You’re welcome there too. Enjoy ..
I’m actually surprised that pics of the camera have not leaked by now.
I wish it had SLog2 to make it more useful for video and give us some decent dynamic range to work with.
Touchscreen??!