This video was recorded using two Sony A7R in 1080p50 mode. Lenses used were the Zeiss FE 2.8/35 (long shot) and the Carl Zeiss Planar T* 1.4/85 for Contax (hand-held camera) – both used wide open. from Hacky on Vimeo.
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This is the seocnd part of SAR readers “homemade” legacy lens test 🙂 Feel free to share your reviews and tests by sending links at sonyalpharumors@gmail.com. Thanks!
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Helge:
Helge posted the full test of the wide angle lenses that will work absolutely fine on the A7r at 3D-kraft (Click here). This includes the:
– [shoplink 10509 ebay]Tri Elmar 16-18-21mm (here on eBay)[/shoplink]
– [shoplink 21602 ebay]Voigtlander Ultron 21mm f/1.8 ASPH (here on eBay)[/shoplink]
– SEL 10-18mm (here at Amazon)
Helge writes:
Those who asserted that the Sony A7R is not suited to be used in combination with Leica (and other range finder) wide angle M lenses propably arrived at a too vague conclusion. In fact it depends on the particular lens design. Lenses with an extremely compact and symmetric design may produce problems with color shift and edge smearing even on the sensor of the A7R with shifted microlenses whereas lenses with a more telecentric design like the Leica WATE perform perfectly fine without color shift and without edge smearing on the A7R.
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Eakchat:
Infinity: A7 + [shoplink 21794 ebay]35mm Summilux ASPH FLE (here on eBay)[/shoplink]:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eakakeeak/sets/72157637971621114/
Infinity: A7 + [shoplink 21797 ebay]35mm Biogon ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink]:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eakakeeak/sets/72157637971932445/
Infinity: A7 + [shoplink 23171 ebay]Nikkor 35/1.4 AI-S (here on eBay)[/shoplink]:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eakakeeak/sets/72157637973004986/
Falloff: A7 + [shoplink 21794 ebay]35mm Summilux ASPH FLE (here on eBay)[/shoplink]:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eakakeeak/sets/72157637970103166/
Falloff: A7 + [shoplink 21797 ebay]35mm Biogon ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink]:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eakakeeak/sets/72157637969915845/
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Bao:
BTW, I’ve updated the post to include 3 tests,
1. Infinity at night
2. Infinity at day
3. Close up on a white wall
The original post:
http://forum.xitek.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1237149&page=1&ordertype=1#pid50853112
The direct link to orignal images of all three tests on flickr is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23000374@N05/sets/72157637885106276/
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Xexets:
Small nitty gritty test I did with A7R + [shoplink 21797 ebay]Zeiss biogon 35/2 ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink] and [shoplink 12485 ebay]Planar 50/2 ZM (here on eBay)[/shoplink]
http://xexets.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/a7r-test-with-zeiss-zm-biogon-352-and.html
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Lupico:
Super-Elmar 21 on the Sony A7 at http://www.lupico.com/cameras/quick-snap-leica-super-elmar-21mm-on-sony-a7/
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Martin:
Sony Alpha7 with [shoplink 10220 ebay]Zeiss C Sonnar 50 1.5 ZM(here on eBay)[/shoplink]
http://martinlux.tumblr.com/post/67837101571/freiburg-november-2013-sony-alpha7-with-zeiss
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Specs and Preorders in Europe:
Sony A7r body at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT, WexUK, WexDE.
Sony A7 body at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT, WexUK, WexDE, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, Amazon FR.
Sony A7 with 28-70mm kit Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT, WexUK, WexDE, Amazon UK, Amazon DE, Amazon FR.
Sony RX10 at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT, WexUK, WexDE.
Zeiss 35mm at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT,
Zeiss 55mm at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT
Zeiss 24-70mm at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, SE, PT
Sony G 28-70mm lens at Sony DE, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO.
Specs and Preorders in US and Canada:
Dedicated Sony announcement page at Amazon US (Click here).
Sony A7r body at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS. TheCameraStore Canada.
Sony A7 body at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS. TheCameraStore Canada.
Sony A7 with 28-70mm kit lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS. TheCameraStore Canada.
Sony RX10 at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
Zeiss 24-70mm at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
Zeiss 35mm at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
Zeiss 55mm at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
70-200mm A-mount at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
Sony A-Mount to E-Mount Lens Adapter at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto.
Sony A to E adapter with mirror at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto.
A7/A7r leather case at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
A7/A7r vertical grip at Amazon, BHphoto, SonystoreUS.
Sony W Series Battery Charger at Amazon, BHphoto.
Sony FA-CS1M Off-Camera Shoe at BHphoto.
Semi-Hard LCD Screen Protector for A7-A7r at Amazon, BHphoto.
Asia:
A7r at Digitalrev.
A7 at Digitalrev, Amazon Cina.
A7 with 28-70mm lens at Digitalrev.
24 Responses
Lloyd Chambers showed that even the Sony FE 35mm f/2.8 Sonnar ZA has colour shading issues and indicate that the image gets corrected by camera software before the RAW file is produced. So its the price we pay for having small compact WA lenses. It would be nice to be able to do this software fix on the RAW files during post processing by selecting the lens from a pull down menu or similar. It must be feasible now for someone to develop this software add on.
http://www.diglloyd.com/blog/2013/20131206_3-SonyA7R-vignetting.html
You know what, Leica is doing the same since ages!
Think if Sony could open up an API so third party could make profiles for other lenses. In camera instant corrections for say Leica wide lenses?
Yup, would save Sony the hassle of making every lens profile for every 3rd party lens mounted onto E mount cameras
A7 is far better than A7r so far as color correction
Finally proof positive that SOME Leica Wide lenses CAN be used on the A7R. Superb review by Helge.
I want to know which 28mm lenses work!
Yeah, I want to know if someone has compiled a “list” of which Leica lenses work and which don’t
The M-Rokkor 28mm is working nicely. There’s several examples in the A7-thread over at GetDPI
Steve Huff http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/11/29/the-sony-a7-and-a7r-camera-review-by-steve-huff/
Tested these Sony a7 & A7R cameras with loads of M mount lenses including those from Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander. All worked great besides the ultra wide M mount glass (Though the Leica W.A.T.E. 16-18-21 works very well without any real issues). The Zeiss 35 Biogon f/2 performed wonderfully for me as did the 50 f.2 Planar. The Voigtlander 35 1.2 Ii was amazing (the image above was taken with this lens) and the Leica 50 Noctilux f/1 and 75 Summilux also knocked it out of the park with results bettering what came out of the Leica M for me. Crisper, more detail from the A7 and A7r.
” The Voigtlander 35 1.2 Ii was amazing (the image above was taken with this lens”
Sorry, but Which image are you referring to?
Would be nice for it to be stabilised. Missing OSS or steady shot here.
I apologize that this comment has nothing to do with this post, but I wanted to get your sense of where Sony may take their lens production with regards to e mount. At least for the time being, we can all assume Sony is not interested in producing any primes faster than 1.8, or zooms faster than f4, which I think is really the best strategy anyways for any compact system camera, but since we now have a FF option within the e mount realm, and are no longer separated by mount for a FF sensor, do you guys think Sony will release any future high quality (Sony-Zeiss) lenses for APSC only? Or should we assume any top quality lens here on out will only be FE lenses?
It makes sense to me, sure, to allow any and all the top quality options to work on their top quality camera models as well, but I can’t help but think that that would also limit any further lens possibilities down the road. Now that Sony will have lenses as large as the 70-200 F4 lens and the new 18-105PZ G lens for APSC, I was hoping this sort of opens the door to possibly coming out with a couple F1.4 primes or even a short-range 2.8 zoom for APSC bodies. Not having to cover a FF sensor, do you guys think these lens options I just mentioned would be feasible while maintaining a reasonable size? Fuji has some fantastic fast glass, but they also don’t have built-in OSS.
Helge wrote: ” Lenses with an extremely compact and symmetric design may produce problems with color shift and edge smearing…”
There is no “may” about it. You don’t need an “extremely compact design” either.
Leica 24mm f/3.8 Elmar-M ASPH = heavy vignetting, purple side frame edges and the upper frame edge is yellow. Heavy smearing for the outside quarters of the frame. This is a modern lens design released after the digital Leica M8 became available, not some golden-oldie from the 1960s.
Leica 35mm f/2.0 Summicron M ASPH = slight purple vignetting and smearing. Crop the image 4×3 and it is useable, provided you correct for the purple vignette.
Luckily Cornerfix “http://sourceforge.net/projects/cornerfix/files/cornerfix/” has been updated (v1.4.2.6) so you can now fix the colour shift on the A7r reasonably well (especially for the 35 Cron-ASPH). Cannot fix the wide-angle smearing though.
So much for the bad news, the good is that longer lenses work brilliantly (eg. 50 Summicron-M)
Am really disappointed in the 24mm Elmar-ASPH though. On the 7Ar even my ancient Nikon 24mm f2.8 AI lens out-performs it =/
I agree. A7 has less color shift than the A7r, but they both smear badly with M lenses.
@ Nemeng, how does the 35 ‘cron 8 elements and Non-ASPH fair on the A7/A7R?
I can’t imagine the earlier non-ASPH 35 M-cron being better. But I have never used the lens (even in film days) so I don’t know.
a minolta xd7 like a-mount mirrorless camera (with on-sensor image stabilization)? i would pay anything for it.
I think people fail to realize that the majority of SLR lenses will work fine but the m lenses 28mm and under will have problems. Even leica has problems with their own wa lenses. That’s why they apply corrections in camera.
Remember typical Reuter lens is 16-35! So that long lenses work fine is not the problem.
Time and time again I am under whelmed by Leica….They are the emperors new cloths…Nikons primes are working great. You can pick them up nice and cheap…
Underwhelmed by tiny lenses made for film? Get a life
“Nikon primes cheap”.
Yep, that is exactly what I have decided to do. I am fed-up waiting for a full-frame solution for M lenses – 10 years is enough. M8 = half-baked. M9 = rip-off overpriced + focus issues. M240 = rip-off-squared + “can I put my name on your waiting list please?…”
I already have the Nikon 24mm f/2.8 AIS; just ordered the 35mm f/2.8 AIS and 105 F2.8 MICRO AIS from KEH. Am tossing up whether I should Leitax “http://www.leitax.com/leica-lens-for-nikon-cameras.html” convert my 50mm Summicron-R or buy the new 50mm f/1.8 G.
BTW the “Metabones Nikon G Lens to Sony NEX Camera” (BHVideo “Metabones MB_NFG-E-BM1”) adapter ring, which was available free via redemption with the A7r in Australia, works really well. Is solid, well-made and the aperture ring does its job reasonably smoothly and quietly.
Sony is the Pontiac of the camera world. They get the nuts and bolts right but it doesn’t matter cause the f’n parts aren’t correct. Oh hey, lets put this corvette motor in this car but for shits and giggles throw some cavalier brakes on it. Oh, look at that dumb ass trying to slow down and avoid traffic. Haha fucktard, you got that 36MP but the images look like you suffer from Parkinsons.
Why didn’t they release the A7R with in body image stabilization and 5 axis? At least offer the model at 3k…but NO…we have to have this great sensor and video but inferior AF and no IBIS. Sony shiits it’s pants before it takes them off every time.