Steve from CanonWatch reports about a possible “unexpected” partnership between Sony and Canon:
In other words, and according to the source, Canon and Sony will agree on a patent exchange to produce a 53MP sensor for Canon’s upcoming high resolution DSLRs. This sensor would keep the Exmor technology, and feature Canon’s Dual Pixel CMOS AF. The best of both worlds someone may say. Sony would still sell sensors to Nikon, but without the Dual Pixel AF (it is for sure not a problem for Sony to mass-produce slightly different lines of sensors).
I havent heard about such a partnership from my sources. But I think that this partnership would certainly make sense for both manufacturers to save some costs. Something necessary if you know the system camera market is shrinking dramatically (Source: Cipa on 43rumors).
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Any Canon fans out there ?
Hello…
Yoohooo…
They have all run home to momma…
canon sensors are crap
It looks like Canon’s Dual Pixel 50MP sensor will be better than Sony’s 50MP sensor.
Good joke, thanks for the smile you put on my face! The Canon sensor is as good as the Sony sensor as they are the same! The Sony based Xmor technology is better then the Canon sensor technology, and the dual pixel technology is better then the Sony on chip PDAF technology, the new sensor will have both, that is great! There is just one very big but: this rumor must be true….
The two focus systems are relatively comparable,the Canon system being SLR. Does not take pictures through a piece of plastic like the SLT does but actually swings the mirror out of the way.
This agreement if true will definitely benefit Canon.
The A7 series cameras don’t have the translucent mirror and would bennefit as much as Canon does. So Sony would bennefit as much from it as Canon will.
Dual Pixel AF is used during live view and video, and is certainly perfect for mirrorless cameras. It is completely unrelated to the off-sensor AF module, and so has nothing to do with the fact that Canon makes DSLRs.
CURRENTLY USED for those functions…but perfectly suited for further improvements and expanded usage.
great. let the japanese companies band together and kill samsung.
japan will be great again!!! banzai
I would, actually, like Samsung to get neck to neck with major sensor companies. I hate monopoly. IT guys in my company recently comparatively tested our 4yo laptops with their updated current version (two generations apart), and found performance increase of 2.8% This is what you get when you let Intel (or any company) have monopoly…
AMD rulez…;)..be exotic, be different!
The two situations are hardly comparable.
In this way, both can stop inventing for awhile. Whilst Samsung will need to continue to push.
Healthy competition benefits us all. I don’t want to see any consumer technology company being “killed”.
I would have to wonder if the Sony version will include the dual pixels or not?
According to this rumor, yes. It is the exchange of patents. Yet, i dont see why is dual cmos AF better in any way than technology Sony has in A6000 ospdaf…
Both manufacturers claim thier system is the fastest.
Dual pixel is very well suited for SLR.
The first exposure of the sequence uses the mirrored focus system.
The subsequent exposures of the burst continue to track the subject mirrorlessly with the dual pixels.
This allows the advantages of the mirror, but also allows faster bursts and eliminates the need for the mirror to flap around during multiple exposures.
OK, but how that makes it more useful than ospdaf in cameras without mirror?
Sony will make at least 3 versions
Dual Pixel with and without low pass filter 53mp for Canon, and no dual pixel for Nikon.
That leaves several questions unanswered about the non-Canon versions.
Plus this is rated CW2 so we do not yet know if the rumor is even true.
We can expect more answers on Feb 6.
“Dual pixel is very well suited for SLR.”
Why does flange distance matter?
Well that is all very nice and all….the problem is that current Dual Pixel AF is a bit naff…Have tried it….Couldn’t track sh*t stuck to a wall….
Dual Pixel AF can use the entire sensor for AF, and you don’t have to dedicate specific pixels for just AF. All pixels can be used for both image capture and AF.
This is just a rumor anyway. Maybe Canon wants to make it appear that it is basically a Canon sensor design, or else they look stupid in the public sooner or later. Or why would you buy a Nikon or Canon camera if the sensor is from Sony anyway.
Interesting rumour. A case of the Japan Inc having to consolidate in the face of changing markets.
A mirrorless camera with Canon’s dual pixel AF system is an interesting prospect.
There has definitely been a corelation between the release of the Sony and Canon high mp sensors.
If they actually are versions of the same senor that would certainly explain it. That may also be part of the agreement, I don’t think Sony would be allowed to release thier version before the Canon version.
Allowed?? Since when has Canon been in charge??
The customer(s) is/are always in charge.
Not when you have all the intellectual property…they’re not selling burgers…
Babble !
Explicate?!?
Canon is the worlds largest camera manufacturer. They have been making their own image sensors, but they have been falling behind on
MP, image IQ and manufacturing techniques for several years. Canon tried to grow an existing APS-C sensor into FF but found that the yield was bad resulting in excessively expensive sensors.
Sony is the worlds leading developer and manufacturer of image sensors. Nikon picked up on this early and made Sony one of its suppliers. In doing so Nikon secured proprietary contracts with Sony protecting Nikon from unwanted competition from others including Sony’s own camera division.
Canon is now possibly being forced to go to Sony to get some help. However, the space presently open to buy Sony’s best technology is limited by the above, which is why there is talk about a Sony 50 MP sensor with Canon AF technology. However, in the next round of negotiations Canons purchases from Sony will count as heavily as Nikons, leveling the field for who can buy what from Sony.
The other side of the coin is this. Does Canon have to join the MP race to maintain market share ? To keep their professional press and sports photographers who know the ins and outs of 24 MP versus 36 or 50 the answer is no. To sell to the guy next door who reads the MP adds the answer is yes.
And we haven’t even begun to talk about glass.
Meanwhile the reflex camera market is shrinking rapidly in favor of mirrorless cameras including smartphones.
There is always going to be a market for dedicated, professional cameras including high end mirrorless. Is this market big enough for everybody presently in it ? Probably not !
Well that is a nice article you have written….
But has very little to do with the question posed…..”Since when has Canon been in charge??”. Sony owns the intellectual property behind their sensor designs exclusively. Quid pro quo…Canon enter into an agreement to purchase sensors using Sony technology. Under Sony’s terms and conditions….Nothing more complicated than that…They certainly don’t have the influence to force Sony into anything…Where else are they going to get a 50MP sensor…
B.S.
Thats it…..you disappoint me…
Hmmmm I like how you go back and edit your replies….Had 2nd thoughts me thinks??…
“Bigger picture” eh…..Thanks master Yoda.
Thought my hat talks I………….. LOL
I think the Canonites would jump on a higher res sensor in a heart beat.. they just can’t and all this pent up desire would result in huge wave of upgrade sales if they come out soon with something, or… it is just a matter of time that either Nikon slowly eats away at their market share or that mirrorless becomes more and more of the goto solution (or both)..
Imagine how many sensors Sony could sell if e.g. the Canon 5Dmark4 would ship with a Sony sensor. If Canon wants a Sony sensor, then it is also just a matter of time till Sony can play Nikon against Canon and vice versa without them being able to get exclusive deals (and delaying or denying some goodies for Sony’s camera division).
Agreed.
And considering the sorry state of affairs with present Canon lenses,
imagine the sales potential for a new generation Canon glass.
What? Sorry state of affairs! Are you drunk? Cannon have the best range of modern lenses bar none!
No they don’t. See DxO.
Nikon was on the 36mp sensor.
Different times my friend…..different times…
Yes, the correlation is there, and if there is just a little bit to this rumor then Canon has maybe some sensor design know how still in store, but certainly no production capacity of its own anymore.. Canon needs a partner urgently.. And regarding the cross patent thingy, that is just a smoke screen. At the core Canon has to pay Sony for each sensor if Sony produces it, or anybody believes Canon would produce in their own fabs? Or maybe Sony wants to increase its own capacity and likes to pick up whatever Canon has left over on the cheap..
Non dual pixel and dual pixel are not ‘slightly different sensors’… This rumour is bunk.
If Samsung can get good 28mp on aps Sony ought to manage 60mp on full frame, a more useful increase
Twoquestions: Is Dual Pixel better than PDAF (speed & precision)?
Is it possible to make a hybrid AF (DP & PD)?
It would at least make the A7rII AF faster without adding microlenses for PDAF.
Is Dual Pixel better than PDAF (speed & precision)?
If the rumor is true, then Sony thinks so.
One big upside is that the whole sensor can do pdaf.
But this rumors relies on just that.
If Sony doesn’t think that there is an advantage then this will not happen as Canon simply have no bargaining chip.
Maybe that’s why Sony discontinued their DSLR line… they’re better off financially selling sensors to the big two than competing with them.
Although they definitely could compete with their SLT line, but probably didn’t have enough resources.
Very good. Finally somebody is getting the drift.
Ah…actual… the market just wasn’t interested in buying into SLT.
The market wasn’t even aware of the SLTs, because, guess what, Sony never marketed them.
With cameras like A77-II being leaps ahead of the competition, we can only guess why…
Ah no…I agree the A77II is a great camera…It is just that the market is not interested in SLT….The market is aware of it….they just don’t want to buy it….. The number of SLT bodies sitting with a layer of dust in camera stores shows this….The market has spoken….Built a bridge and buy an A7…
A77ii might be the better camera, but Canikon have the better brand and lenses. A7 however brings something new to the table (size/weight, EVF, price).
This drift is stupid.
Canon and Nikon only make OVF-based cameras. And Sony now only makes mirrorless. What about those of us who want EVF-based cameras with fast AF and fast lenses?
Sony makes components and shows off new camera concepts. Canon and Nikon makes cameras.
Sony designs the future. Canon and Nikon manufacture the past
Correct ! That’s reality in the high volume manufacturing world.
Sony makes mirrorless cameras, Leica makes luxury lifestyle accessories, Canon and Nikon make mirrorless toys…
No ! You need to see the longer view.
Leica, Canon, and Nikon make lenses. Sony makes sensors. Cameras? Just some accessoires to glue it all together (sooner than later can do our own on a 3D printer)..
Canon and Nikon still only make OVF cameras. So far the only company who produced real EVF DSLRs were Sony.
My guess is there’s not enough money in the dslt market to fund the R&D… We’ve not seen a pro level dslt since the a99, and at the time it was rumoured to be the mid level option.
But they did already put R&D into the A77-II’s AF module.
They have developed the A7s sensor.
How much R&D it takes to put those together into an A99 body?
It requires a market…..
Sony had a market that they inherited from Minolta. Granted, they lost some customers during the OVF -> EVF transition, but not so much, and it had great growth potential, if Sony made any effort at all into marketing their SLT cameras. But for some reason they received zero marketing, and people are totally unaware – to this day – of their advantages, as mirrorless reviews show. People talk about the EVF as though it is an exclusively mirrorless feature!
Sony’s 4D AF is way better than Canon’s current dual Pixel AF. It is more likely Sony won’t let Canon use their on sensor AF technology.
Sony is not likely to stop Canon from buying anything. However, existing contracts with Nikon might do just that.
I could see the contract restricting use of a specific sensor (eg Nikon having exclusivity on the 36mp sensor for a set period or Sony not being able to use it in a dslt), but Sony would be crazy to agree to restrictions on a specific technology being used in future sensors… IMHO the Sony/Nikon deal makes a Sony/Canon deal more likely.
Absolutely !
Sony Image Technology mission statement is exactly that: To become the world leading supplier of image sensors to … everybody.
But in recent interviews they have also expressed a ‘Sony first’ philosophy…I.e they will not be selling the A7s sensor to any other company….As the worlds largest sensor manufacture with a strong hold on a lot of the imaging market…They are no push overs…They have products people want.
See above. Read it this time.
Haha now your just getting pissy….If you read…”To become the world leading supplier of image sensors to… everybody.”….but not at the expense of Sony..”‘Sony first’ philosophy”.
4D is software. Dual pixel is hardware.
Both combined could be great.
Interesting point…. Perhaps Sony can get it to finally work…
What about Nikon ? Sony is now making CMOS high mp sensors for Pentax, hassleblad, phase one, Nikon, canon… Plus iPhone cameras are probably by sony as well. Everything is going to have that sony “look” now, I’m switching to the new CMOS leica s when that comes out. I guess I’ll also be getting Nikon’s version of the sony chip since I have so much invested in the f mount system
The only way to make a Leica look good is to shoot on film…
That’s not true!!!!
Hope this rumor is true. Can’t wait for new Sony mirrorless with shared patent. My D4 and D810 are probably the last DSLR for me. From now on, I will go with mirrorless all the way.
I use NEX7, it is great camera for me, i am not a professional photographer. I can carry it everywhere in a pocket of a jacket. But, if you are pro, and make your living with camera, i recommend you to stick with D4 for some time. At least until Sony makes real RAW, and really fast SLR like AF.
You know what cameras are best suited for SkyMeow’s kind of photography? That’s pretty presumptuous of you…
It is not presumptuous, no professional photographer should give up lossless RAW and 14bit for portability and ease of use. Just as i would never walk around with 2 kilogram camera, whatever image quality it has.
Canon promize Sony that they will not enter the A7 market. Sony promise Canon they will skip the DSL lineup. Winn winn in both way
Hope not, for a-mount’s sake, but it does make a lot of sense…
Appears with post..and has a very very common name it seems. However, 6th image along in standard google image search of name= a portrait photo with the following description.
‘Andrew Richardson photographed by Tim Barber for Mr. Muse Magazine.’
That is a model interviewed on no less than:
http://models.com/people/andrew-richardson
These references always evoke ‘legitimacy’ but…
I however am a totally legitimate photographer with mastery of many aspects of the art…and a Sony camera and many great lenses for it.
Du råkar inte vara hemmastadd i samma region själv?
Google translate…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_family_name_etymology
Ok i get it, this troll instance is infact trolling my real life and the most important thing in it beyond photography again. While wasting my time regards never mind ruining my life and photography for politics.
They tend toward mixed race…and mixed gender and other sexual preferences.
It makes sense now, why Sony doesn’t add the 36 MP sensor to the A99ii. There might be a “gentlemen’s” agreement with Nikon in place..
Just a typical Japanese agreement, I would imagine.
Poor Nikon if true….canon will be ahead not only in AF systems more cross points, dual af for video, better flashes system with RT like Canons EX-RT 600 and now they will get the same or even better DR (without AA) due to sonys sensors….if also canon get a 11-24 f4 or even 2.8 lens….nikons only advantage is that they are more familiar with sonys sensors and to tweak/squeeze out the best of them…evne better than Sony…see a7II vs d750 high iso…1-1.5 stop better (maybe the 11+7 bit raw format/issue has some impact on this too)
Nikon should have done a or such a cooperation (maybe with their tweaking/squeezing method/algorithms for sonys sensor or how to make true uncompressed 14 bit raw files 😉 ) they need it more than Canon as Canon is despite being even less innovative than Nikon more successfull due to being market leader and being a bigger company, deeper financial resources/pockes as well as not only producing lenses, cameras and binoculars as nikon is doing…..;)
Hard times will be ahead for Nikon if this is really true…time to dump Nikon gear to get still a good sale price value for it….
I am seriously thinking about this despite having a relatively new gear D810 + 20,28,50,85 1.8,105 2.8 VR Micro lenses as well as the Sigma 35 1.4 Art…..
Good move for Canon & Sony, bad for Nikon….it seems Nikon is the first of the big who will disappear in the near future (5 years or so), Pentax might as well, Olympus and Panasonic are already belonging to sony for some parts….in the future they could overtake them completely….in order to get other formats as well as improve/strenghten their video knowledge form panasonic and oly is relatively small…..
So may in the future only Canon, Sony and Samsung will be existing beside Fuji, Leica as exotic companies for retro lovers and hipster…P1 and Hassy as long as Sony doesnt come oot with a interchangeable medium format system…
Time will tell…
Sorry if this comes across as a little rude but with the gear you listed, you should be able to produce images that rival anything in the history of 35mm and approaching medium format. At this point, we all enjoy an embarrassment of riches when it comes to camera tech. The only big losers are going to be the photographers who waste time and money switching from system to system for every technology bump.
I think so, too. My D810 with (almost the same lenses) will serve me well the next couple of years and bring in money without having to spend on various new stuff.
This new dual pixel sensor may allow Sony to build a mirrorless A mount camera AND allow full compatability with A mount and E mount can be compatable with Canon autofocus.
Canon can add an EVF and also make thier current mount mirrorless while maintaining full use of thier current lenses.
Nikon however seems to be the big looser in this deal.
Hahaha not going to happen until there is a company called Sonon
If they can reach an agreement to share technology ther is no sensible reason not to include release dates and af compatability in the agreement.
Each of these things can be figured out in a manner that benefits both…a package deal.
Just as sharing sensor manufacturing has advanteges ..sharing lenses does too.
Nah dude….There is a little thing called brand identity….Apparently companies like that….
They must now cooperate or perish.
Apple now sells more cameras than Canon and Sony combined.
If consumers can not buy interchangeable lens cameras that are interchangeable they can just use thier cellphone.
We all have lots of stuff we never use because they don’t work together.
Hahaha… yes and Sony sells Apple their image sensors…..ding…..Let me know when I can run IOS on my Android phone…ding ding…
Sony sensor division is the worlds biggest supplier of sensors.
But that does not help Sony computer division or tv division or camera division.
One by one poor management decisions have caused divisions to die off…and overall Sony profit to plummet. As lucrative as sensors are Sony needs more.
So this changes nothing I said about the necessity for camera manufacturers to cooperate and build interchangeable interchaengeable lens cameras or loose even more market share to other alternatives.
As a consumer I am sick and tired of deciding which equipment I need to buy that I dont want in order to be able to buy the equipment I do want..
And I am running out of room for all the stuff I can no longer use because its not compatable.
it´s done al the time.. get a clue about strategic partnerships.
Oh I didn’t realise you have a masters in economics…..as well as an intimate knowledge of the camera industry…..my mistake…
Never happen…it would have to be Cany.
What makes you think that Sony would have access to the dual pixel IP to use for themselves?
Just a what if speculation…this agreement…if true…may be strictly limited to the manufacture of Sony sensors solely for Canon use and may not effect anything else Sony makes.
Canon “If we pay you money will you make us some of your images sensors….It turns out…ours are a bit sh*t.”
Sony: “Okay”
Speculation??
Why would they swap patents if they are not allowed to use it?
It may be a production licensing agreement with Canon the exclusive purchaser.
politotroll!!!!!!
Yeah! i said it, double killed for Sony 😀
politotroll!!!!!
Hello admin. Twice now there has been continuous hassle, copying of my Disqus account name with avatar repeatedly, use of ‘meta’ guest names to incite and show prejudice.
Twice that my posts are arbitrarily culled following such behaviour going on for weeks. I don’t know how much all of this is related to your understanding of English, but one thing is for certain, i have posted with respect to my own actual geographical location now, given many details and generally posted with photographic interests provingly.
This is all regards the incessant trolling which is otherwise allowed here. Even people with flickr accounts and otherwise presumably respectable (though of commonly questionable merit) seem to be content with this situation of constant falsification and to be liberal regards, to the point of engaging in it themselves and policing alongside it, even some of YOUR friends it seems with their own interests served..generalized ignorance that is.
Why then are MY posts culled so that they may as well not be posted, and nothing done regards the persistent imitation, copied accounts and constant trolling: is this some kind of statement, or just two times careless? Because it doesn’t exist? Or because you selectively ignore it every time. Indeed because finally no one is expected to post thoughtfully and authentically here and will only be punished for it. If you must consider this matter separately: show personality, show you authentically manage this place with regard for authentic photographer users because culling just MY posts isn’t demonstrating that when done twice in succession.
I think it’s because you are absolutely mental. You make Barry look sane.
You were banned and your posts were deleted for good reason. You are ruining this message board.
No, there was a problem with Disqus because you kept on copying my account so i had to change it. That’s not what should be the case, instead you should be banned as you are not a real photographer or camera user or even using real opinions. Whatever your subjective world of politics tells you. This is for Photography and that is objectively so.
WTF? I didn’t copy anything. More lunacy.
And as for the rest of your rant… dribble dribble mushroom.
Get some help, you mad b*stard!
I think that he is a misunderstood genius.
No, you are just useless politotrolls with no photography.
this is obvious, therefore it is implicit to the admin of this site, therefore they allow that and delete instead real photographers posts for whatever personal reasons: not resolving the problem. That makes you like lackies to someone who doesn’t/can’t recognize brilliance where it is explicit.
So WTF is a politotroll?
I am possibly one of the greatest photographers who ever lives, I have mastered all forms of photography, and this is the respect I get!
Copied account. when i said mixed gender i meant redesignated.
Dude, you are so annoying… Do you shoot with Leica or Voigtländer? Smart a$$ people like you are ruining this place, trolling and starting these damn stupid flame wars. You see what you’ve done? You just got me into your troll trap you clown. If you are the “real photographer” that you keep bragging about, DO ALL OF US A FAVOR and stop being an a$$hole… start talking about something useful, not your crazy weirdo useless meaningless considerations. The news here are already scarce and useless (for me and some people) so the only good thing left WAS the comments, thanks to you and your troll friends. If you wanna write cr@p freely use NOTEPAD.EXE or the write thing on Mac.
Correct, the more people who buy a short flange distance inexpensive camera, the more m mount glass will be available and camera to use it on inexpensively, great. Its compact and has certain optical advantages.
Tends to be manual especialy regards aperture, with often many bladed aperture and great luminosity (all of it is) 😀
No, it is because you kept on copying my avatar and name making Disqus think i was the problem because it never gets dealt with on this site. I don’t know if ultimately that is a breach of the terms of using it on this site, but i doubt it, its a political exploit you are using and hassling my real life, suggesting even after deletion of my posts that ‘you are ruining this message board’ I have a camera, am a real Sony cam photographer, you are not even using ANY authentic accounts in making my life worse and pleasing the owner of this site by being able to judge himself by default superior, in this punishing way. Disqus account isn’t just here, therefore you are all policing, but real people not trolls or detrimental behaviours.
All wrong.
Did the voices in your head tell you that?
A couple of google image searches prove it actually.
Post them.
Only way to kill them is to starve them of oxygen…But you are correct
Please do not insult me by comparing me to this moron
LOL, but your behaviour has been pretty poor in the past and it still is. You are both spammers, but essentially he is a more extreme and more unstable version of you.
Maybe, just maybe, you will see this guy’s behaviour and appreciate just how disruptive and selfish your behaviour can be.
I asked you nicely but clearly you are just a tota a..hole
I will keep that in mind when responding to your future comments.
Even as a totall a..hole however I will not compare you to this guy.
You may however read your own comments and take your own advice.
1-0 to the troll. He has succeeded in making you guys turn on each other.
No the Bazzhole has been around longer than ” he that will not be named”
Have a pity, he might have a mental disorder requiring treatment instead of deliberately trolling.
Oh Barry, you just reinforced what I said. You will never learn – maybe you are just too old.
I have seen what you speak of. Problems are you not that good of a photographer, I side with others
I am most likely the only real person who gets imitated, the other imitations are of accounts that are already trolls, never is there an admin imitation however…if admin is real after all that: they rarely demonstrate it as i have.
‘Photoberger Håkon Berger’ seems legitimate and even has a basic facebook page (which includes a lot of UK music references), but…
6th image along from google image search of their name throws up an avatar image=
‘Disqus Profile – MonkeySpanner’
‘Someone’ who assists trolls a lot it seems, from their open comments on Disqus.
Your posts are neither funny nor annoying any more, just sad. To see someone who is presumably a grown adult put so much effort into writing these long posts day after day with the purpose of trashing online forums is tragic.
This bullying has to stop. Leave the poor guy alone!
Assman = MyOriginalContentSite
Not true. I have been active on this site in various incarnations since long before this genius arrived on the scene. I’m a great admirer of his work here, though.
Senior proctologist = Assman = MyOriginalContentSite
Again, not true. My trolling on this site predates the appearance of MyContentSite.
If this is true, if they are cooperating with their respective patents, I hope to see a lot more of this.
Next we need a universal mirrorless mount, so that all lenses can be plugged into any mirrorless full frame camera like a usb stick. E-mount was first to mirrorless full frame, so my (hopeful, hopeless) wish is for Canon, Nikon, Fuji, and anyone else simply use the E-mount for their full frame mirrorless cameras. Like the Micro 4/3 system. Wishing, wishing…..
politotroll
For Sony, Semiconductor and Camera divisions are different. So worst case, this doesnt mean that in Alpha cameras we are going to see Canon’s AF technology…?. Or am I misunderstanding?
politotroll!
dude I have been absolute Sony supported from 2006 when I bought my first camera. H9. Now I run around with A850 and nex-7. I was no way trying to troll or derail any discussion. Nikon uses Sony sensor, but we i.e alpha users dont have any Nikon technologies built into our cameras. right? so is there any thing we really need to get super excited here?
The companies are collaborating which is great. but I doubt we are gonna see some change in Alpha’s AF tech as being speculated here, overnight.
keep shooting man…. with of course the Alpha/NEX 😀
OK, I see that you did this quite many instances below…. I will take my leave. don’t want to feed any trolls…
I now remember seeing somewhere information that there is a chance for Canon lenses for E mount.
It seemed like total nonsense back then, but if the 50Mp sensor deal becomes fact, such Canon lenses might be part of the deal, as otherwise I think Canon will be benefiting more than contributing.
Never. Ever.
politotroll!!!!
I don’t think I can agree with some concluding this rumors as nikon is the loser from this partnership. This is just about sensor of their upcoming hi-res camera. Not their entire lines of camera. Nikon had been in partnership with Sony for sensors in their camera long before canon. Nikon is also going to rrelease their high resolution camera with the same sensor with their own AF, which nikon isn’t sharing with Sony.
This looks like a great competition to me. Real winners are us. It also creates an environment none of them can set ridiculous price for their high resolution camera.
Unless they agree to set the same ridiculous price for their cameras. Ever heard of cartels?
politotroll!!
Same avatar, same name..If this one doesn’t get removed after the 18 hour or whatever it is update ‘scan through’ this site is as disinterested in the real readership as it seemed once it became with mainly adverts to trawl through for your photo news check many times each day, and like those sites where a comment or question is there..forever, and the owner doesn’t respond..ever…I’m not doing that, i will produce content i guess and be reasonable, but i will be working on a dozen real world scenarios too so these trolls had best not just bother my life in doing that like they do now, with no change, no own site, nothing but use my stated facts and opinions and get me bother across to real life for offering them objectively. Once in a while i see my recent post is removed for no reason, i look back and see they all are for previous days. I never said one thing clever or suspicious regards moderation etc.
This rumour has been circulating for a while but trusted sources from other runour sites have said its not true. Dont forget Canon have their own semiconductor facilities wherea Nikon don’t.
We need to keep that in mind. Some tell us Canon’s semiconducter plant needed modernization with high investments. I would not wonder about, if they can’t follow the high Sony innovation speed. Do not forget, Sony is providing sensors to other camera manufacturers what means higher return on investment for sensor R&D and process development. Imho they are on the way to a dominating position like Intel has reached in the field computer CPUs.
And Kodak for film back in the days..
politotroll!!!
I am serious, every time, and every ‘new’ vintage lens for my Sony A7R checked on say one click stop down is brilliantly sharp and contrasty, This is remarkable and i would love to see MTF readings and someones reasoned explanation as to how these vintage lenses render so perfectly on such high resolution cameras as my A7R. I just checked that ‘flaring’ extra focal length lens, an inexpensive 85mm 1.8 and one click down its got dense black contrast on text detail..this is no coincidence. What exactly do the naysayers want from a camera system, please be to the point to save all the pointlessness. I ONLY view at full zoom for focusing, that is what i am relating. Do you made up lay people even know how to research for a modern lens which can even be sharp at say 1.8 without being extremely costly to boot? This detail is already being munched by ISO, it is of course only such as the best zeiss and the 55mm 1.8 that can trully shine and at low iso, but all of the great lenses do, that’s more to the point.
Shut up, you must use SEL1855 with a cr@ppy teleconverter.
Haha thats not funny is it, its not a joke, i have said i use vintage primes, do something on a conservative site where you are welcome and leave photography alone and myself.
I’m gonna use my SAL500F80 to take a macro of your mediocrity.
I understand photography, you post something against my life while ruining it, i in exchange say, a lot of equip is remade from previous designs, often times it was superior before. You are political and you do nothing to help someone with gov at cause, in fact you do the opposite with gov.
http://www.politicotrollmyoriginalcontentsite.gov
No, you’re not! Your sayings are all political rubbish.
fake account
No I am a photography MASTER. You would be wise to listen and try and learn from my teachings. Remove your fake account and come to me when you are ready to learn!
“A couple of google image searches prove it actually.”
Please post them.
Seriously DPAF is a piece of s**t compared to current OSPDAF. Just go to Imaging-resource and see the results for 70D single spot AF. Viewfinder ~70ms, LV 500(!!!!)ms. And the a6000 gets it in 100ms. On top of that in burst mode DPAF locks onto the first frame and doesnt track. Useless tech is DOA.
noob!
Could potentially see the best from both worlds!
noob
Admin, can you delete MyOriginalContentSite again please, cheers!
Yeah, the point where i proved my idea that one day you could do photography with drones etc as objectively if not more so, by dismissing the frame bounds and considering the ideal camera and facing and subject positions… I’m the photography master and all you do is ruin my life to do those politics.
So are you the same guy who posted that HulkSmash nonsense? Haven’t seen those posts in a while, and suddenly you appear.
No, i’m not trans gender or whatever. And i speak as my real personage here. I have no willing affiliation with those political trolling people who do nothing but for political interests of their own devising. Actually that person broke a principle, one they themselves suggested was in effect.
Perhaps they didn’t realize that fact but they must admonish it now regardless.
Tell us, what is this “political interests of their own devising”?
Historically i need no testing whatsoever, i am the real deal. The political interests are those of those who harbour them while acting against my personal life.
You’re not the real deal.
You’re the real fail.
The more you post, the more it becomes evident, you don’t just pretend to be like trolls from certain origins, you were in fact alongside such too.
PICTURE PLEASE!!!!
I’m obviously better at politics too, for want of not trying to be at all.
What BOOLSHEETING, yeah you certainly are a MASTER AT THAT. Unfortunately, not so much in photography……….
This is same ‘meta’ naming trolling as first time and third time will be truly offensive.
I am a master photographer! As you can see, here is a picture from my drone. See for yourself!
I will try and get a license to fly various places in future. Like advanced driving test for driving.
pics or it didn’t happen.
Why are you people even engaging in conversation with this guy? This is exactly what he wants!
He like that annoying barking dog…………
Hello, it’s me, I thought I recognized the prose. 🙂
But you post pictures of someone elses girl and claim as your own. You are as fake as a 6 quid note!
No i didn’t, and who would do that. I have nothing to prove to you yet you attack real personal interests. As ever, the burden of proof is on you.
Post another picture of her, one in the UK where you hail from then!!!!
He will ignore this comment and hope you go away. LOL
So you are internet police now. Borrowing the form of border police.
No, just the boolsheet police! Where’s that picture?
Thats ok, a lot of political people take that idea when it suits them and dismiss the implications likewise.
You are pathetic. You’ve no idea who you insult on these pages with your pitiful drivel. At least have the decency to post your own work and desist in infringing on others copyright. THAT’S RULE ONE IN THE PHOTOGRAPHY WORLD!!!!
I did.
Here, my last free bit of advice to you, after this you’ll become a paying client! Take your BEST RAW FILE, post it alongside the PROCESSED FILE. Show us how good you really are. I’ll make a request of you, go take a picture of YOUR GIRLFRIEND IN THE UK. Post that as an example!!!!
You lose, i am best photographer without doubt. No subject here,and instead of help the coinciding factor you are doing this. It is you who gets to do this free and use this free for your politics, and maybe some people who actually need it elsewhere in world…real people actually interested in photography.
Boolsheet police! LOL for real in front of my fridge.
Everything can be done with drones if you were to understand brainwaves on a subatomic level. You’d be able to program them to write a novel with words that are most appealing for an audience, etc. We are not there yet and it’s so far off that it’s pointless to discuss.
You can get a robot to paint a picture, you can get a robot to hold a camera. You cannot give them a true artists vision, you can only simulate it.
You could make a learning robot that has its own vision based on experiences and predetermined data but this would be so complex that it’d kill us all
Drones programmed to write a novel? why not use the cloud.
You set the drones position and facing direction in relation to subject, you can also see what the shot is, that’s all that is required, almost all of that is presently possible already. You would need several and be able to map the location too for making references. I reiterate again, shooters of film already do these things, they already do things better than almost all photographers, amateurs sometimes do too. Difference is, i am objective and know that i do it, know that i can always do it. Not being able to shoot level with the front face of subject is main limitation, in film helicopters and cranes overcome that. I will be using all that sort of thing, i am the master and your politics aren’t helping that happen, in fact a drone will do that for less expense meaning even now you are simply useless and denigrating only. You didn’t work out any of this yourselves did you, i am the master photographer, that’s why i understand all of it. But i wrote a short story (a long long time ago) that simply described a shot ‘view’ lifting away from a scene a murder or something, a cliche, but these aren’t mere cliches if you consider the final objective implications of all views, all ideal perspectives, ideal expressivity achievable and ideal description. I am the master in part buy no means limited to that fact you see things as cliches and the like, i see the whole situation as i have considered it a lot for a very long time.
You wait and see…
Drones programmed to write a novel? why not use the cloud.
You set the drones position and facing direction in relation to subject, you can also see what the shot is, that’s all that is required, almost all of that is presently possible already. You would need several and be able to map the location too for making references. I reiterate again, shooters of film already do these things, they already do things better than almost all photographers, amateurs sometimes do too. Difference is, i am objective and know that i do it, know that i can always do it. Not being able to shoot level with the front face of subject is main limitation, in film helicopters and cranes overcome that.
I will be using all that sort of thing, i am the master and your politics aren’t helping that happen, in fact a drone will do that for less expense meaning even now you are simply useless and denigrating only. You didn’t work out any of this yourselves did you, i am the master photographer, that’s why i understand all of it. But i wrote a short story (a long long time ago) that simply described a shot ‘view’ lifting away from a scene a murder or something, a cliche, but these aren’t mere cliches if you consider the final objective implications of all views, all ideal perspectives, ideal expressivity achievable and ideal description. I am the master in part but by no means limited to that fact you see things as cliches and the like, i see the whole situation as i have considered it a lot for a very long time, i don’t even care for someone who criticizes that ‘approach’ to the problem, much like genotype saying about field of view, i was simply helping straighten out something else in simple terms, perhaps inaccurately and that can be corrected, but to take the line of trolls and denigrate me for that is a very very big mistake.
//I can easily criticize ALL of his work.// Yes absolutely, i don’t have to have all of the same equip etc, simply the layout of shots and according to my own ideals..objective and artistic ones… //Sometimes i see a picture that’s great, its no doubt it will look nearly identical to one i might want to or indeed produce myself..there is crossover in photography….a lot.// Consistency is most important,// and i will be the most obviously, i have to be as the master after all, how else can i prove objectively?! 🙂
And in a puff of automagical dust, he is gone! 🙂
Sony lay off 1000 employees …
In its smart phone department…
I guess there wasn’t enough people buying the 50mm 1.4 Sony Zeiss. Must have slowed down.
New poll, is MyOriginalContentSite helpful?
Now they copied admin. but they say nothing against admin personally as they do against me.
BOOOOOO SAR_Admin SUCKS!!!
MyOriginalContentSite RULES!!!
Nah, just kidding.
how dare they!! To do this to the best photographer in the world!!
Admin, I ensist on banning everyone from the forum except for MyOriginalContentSite…
I seriously hope you’re getting paid for this. I don’t know who would pay for this, or why, but I hope it is so.
He’s hilarious in small doses, slighlty annoying in large doses. But helpful? Maybe to himself. His posts may serve a therapeutic purpose for him.
Sony sold computers its rumored tv and phones would follow
Wonder about cameras and sensors …
Canon could buy both in the end
Being the only healthy company in this industry
Nikon is down and sony too on market
So it seems the only realible company will be canon and proffesionnals think so
In case you need to get new camera and lens you won’t invest in a system that can disapear anytime
Interesting. I can’t imagine what this industry will look like in 10 years. I don’t think Canon is going anywhere. They’d be best to partner up with Sony and visa versa. However, I was hoping for Olympus to build an A7 camera in the vein of the EM1. Splash and freeze proof, touch screen functionality.
troll
Well actually… Sony partnered with Ericson when thy were trying to get a foothold in the mobile phone market, and now Ericson is just a memory wrt phones…
What are you talking about? I still use an Ericsson and it works fine for phone calls and texting.
I don’t doubt that there are some people, like yourself, that are still using Ericsson phones, but as a mobile phone manufacture Ericsson is pretty much history. I can’t even remember the last time I saw someone with an Ericsson phone.
Good, another company that will probably get more out of a Sony sensor than Sony can. It is going to be hard pressed to continue to shoot the A-mount when most of any advantage is provided to it’s competitions. We may only see one more half arse attempt, the 99II at which point Sony will tell us, sorry it just does not make good economic sense to continue with the A mount. We wil only be making E-mount cameras. And we will support our A mount users by providing a free A mount to E mount adaptor with each E mount purchase.
Maybe with all this partnering Canon can make a DSLR for A mount. Finally, an A900 successor.
Now that would be excellent for sure.
Si
It is only a partnership FOR sensor and not for digicam!!!!
That is good even very good for us, users….. We can profit of these partnering in the future…
I don’t understand, how small a EGO has to be, that someone spends hours in this forum typing …..
Best reaction to it would be, just to ignore it and don’t answer any!
Three possibilties:
1. The troll is paid to do it.
2. The troll has some kind of mental illness or personality disorder.
3. The troll is an extremely bored and/or lonely person.
And I forgot:
4. The troll has a really wicked sense of humor.
This person is most likely in some sort of confinement e.g. low security prison with access to a PC or even a psych ward. No free person would devote so much time to this nonsense.
Or perhaps a cubicle at Canon Headquarters, or some other competitor that would want to disrupt the discussions at a forum dedicated to Sony?
…the BIG question is why admin is allowing this rediculosity to continue unchecked.
He is not. Other threads have been cleaned up. However: he is just one man, one man with a real life job doing SAR on the side. So I understand these things do not get solved immediately or even for a few days.
We need continuous monitoring and moderation. If you wait with deleting troll posts until a thread looks like this one, then you might as well leave it as is. The damage is already done, since people have already been annoyed by, and replied to, the troll.
I have the impression, that admin has some extra and unnecessary work, controlling/deleting all that.
So again, we could help him and ignore those posts!!!
It is for all of us, when Andrea can spend his time better with collecting infos for us.
Sadly once again 90% trolling and feeding and 10% discussion about the news. But to the news, given the momentum Sony has with regard to its sensor business and the partnership with Nikon one with Canon should be no surprise I guess. If it is true it makes me wonder where Sony’s camera business will end up? Will it remain small but focusing on the high end or try to find niches in the market. I cannot see it trying to spend money on taking NikCanon on if they are getting a large part of their revenue from them? Si
Referring back to my analogy of the ever successful Playstation console line of Sony, involving third parties above covering all bases exclusively yourself, can be very lucrative as those consoles have proven. The arrangement with Zeiss, sometimes scoffed at for producing the same lenses at the same time when new lenses are always required, does in fact constitute such a favourable and potentially lucrative situation for both parties. Zeiss doesn’t have its own camera anymore, while producing some if not the best lenses available and Canikon are somewhat undermined in their own exclusive lens collection by sigma, Samyang and all. Sony can straddle the high quality end and enthusiast while even accepting these third party ‘sometimes now superior (does this not itself constitute ongoing news or argument?)’ models as its own, would they ever want to conform to that other Canikon and previous approach now E-mount has proven successful? Are there really winners and losers in the Sony camp? or just winners with the excellent partnering of best glass and best sensor with cameras in development to match fast this superior position. Specifics are not labored, it is the lack of specificity regards Sony’s actual grave errors and users demands being fulfilled or not thus in future that makes argument protracted i believe.
Referring back to my analogy of the ever successful Playstation console
line of Sony, involving third parties above covering all bases
exclusively yourself, can be very lucrative as those consoles have
proven. The arrangement with Zeiss, sometimes scoffed at for producing
the same lenses at the same time when new lenses are always required,
does in fact constitute such a favourable and potentially lucrative
situation for both parties. Zeiss doesn’t have its own camera anymore,
while producing some if not the best lenses available and Canikon are
somewhat undermined in their own exclusive lens collection by sigma,
Samyang and all. Sony can straddle the high quality end and enthusiast
while even accepting these third party ‘sometimes now superior (does
this not itself constitute ongoing news or argument?)’ models as its
own, would they ever want to conform to that other Canikon and previous
approach now E-mount has proven successful? Are there really winners and
losers in the Sony camp? or just winners with the excellent partnering
of best glass and best sensor with cameras to match fast in development.
Specifics are not labored, it is the lack of specificity regards Sonys
actual grand errors and users demands being fulfilled or not thus in
future that makes argument protracted i believe.
This does not look like a rumor, it looks like someons wild dreams. It might be true, but I dont believe it until I see it happening
Geez I hope… so I can finally put the Otus on a proper big boy Canon instead of adapting to wobbly toy Elpha excuse. Had Sony put proper attention to genuine Alpha, then Otus would be available in A-Mount by now.
Thanks for sending me away Sony.
I do not believe this. Why should they Exchange EXMOR tec with DPAF? Sony has allready On-Sensor Phase detection. A99 has it, A6000 has it? Why not improve that instead of “buying” Canons DPAF?
If Canon gets Sony sensors then what will be the market position of Sony in near future? No advantage in sensor anymore but HUGE disadvantage in many other aspects such as AF, lens collection, pro support, user base, …
This news just does not make any sense to me…
But you never know what the real deal behind the scenes might be?
Sony’s sensor division and their imaging division are 2 separate entities. Imaging division has to compete for contracts as much as any other company. Dont see anything strange here, just business.
As far as Canon’s DP-OSPDAF goes, sensor division is just a fab. Canon places an order and Sony produces it. In order for Canon to use Sony’s OSPDAF, they have to buy the patent license from Sony, so to shave off costs, it only makes sense to use Canon’s own design.
The Canon Dual Pixel implementation of OSPDAF has better potential than the ‘masking-off-half-a-pixel’ implementation used by everyone else. Canon can use every pixel for both image capture and AF, which means that light capture isn’t negatively affected. They can also use the entire sensor area, instead of a limited area of the sensor.
There has never been a sensor advantage to Sony…
Explain please.
yeah. can you explain?….
Reading the whole sensor for AF needs huge bandwidth, huge processing power, and so inefficient. How many frames in a second you can handle that kind of readout? 500? (53mp at 500fps? Are you joking?) Ok, so how its going to track a subject that needs faster shutter speed than 1/500? Samsung already did that in NX1, and we saw its laughable tracking. DSLR will always have advantage cause gets more information per AF area, and gets it insanely fast
Not much to back up this rumor. It does drive the hits on all the sites posting.
I don’t care who Sony partners with to make this thing. Just put it in an A7Rii and make it wonderful.
A7RII and three loxia lenses- 50, 21 and 15. I’ll be set for life…pass the camera on to the kids or be buried with it. Probably pass it on.
will the sensors last that long?
Look at the huge problems, that Leica has with the sensors. I had the same feeling 5 years ago, when I bought the M9 – and have the second replaced sensor now (makes three in total) 🙁
The fact that Leica gets their sensors from a small unproven company is not an issue for Canon/Nikon/Sony/Panasonic.
People are using 10-year old DSLRs. Some have made more than 0.5M shots with a Canon 1Ds (this means replacing the shutter twice). If you buy a well made sensor, it will most likely survive you…
yes, that is a pitty with the Leica sensors 🙁
I sold my Nikon D70 and D200 long time ago and they are still working too.
But who does not want/like a new gear from time to time 🙂
It makes sense however I don’t trust rumors from Canonwatch…
Not sure what Canon is going to give Sony “in exchange”, but I’m glad all my Zeiss lenses are EF mount 🙂
Yep, at Canon Watch they are dreaming about Exmoor technology, but I also think this exchange will be beneficial mainly for Canon.
As I said before if Sony managed to get Canon make some lenses for E mount as well it would be a different matter …
Maybe some tips on placing the shutter release… 🙂
Lens designs? Image processors?
Or maybe just cash. Canon has money, Sony needs money. Simple. 🙂
Do you guys think this 50mp camera will be a-mount or e-mount? Or both?
FE mount.
I think you mean e-mount 😉 lol FE is not a mount….
FE refers to an “e-mount lens” designed for the full-frame “e-mount” camera 😉
Both. Sigma already released their first 50MP lens for A mount… I guess they feel or know something …
I think we will see some kind of a9 and a99 II until 2016 latest …
awesome! Let’s hope that they announce a new a-mount camera around the same time of the year they announced the a77ii!
Like they announced the a6000 in Feb last year and the a77ii like a month after CP+ 2014. Let’s hope the same will happen this year.
I hope they give some hint about this during CP+. That would be really a nice touch from Sony to the loyal A-mounters:-).
They will announced more and more and more E-mount cameras.
They feel pain now coz they know no one will buy A-mount lenses anymore
Sigma designs high resolution lenses, because Nikon and Canon will use such sensors in DSLRs. So why wouldn’t they also make an A-mount version?
E, of coz; A, is dead.
A-mount?? That’s a lost technology.
I would prefer, that more companies would develop sensors!!
Otherwise we end up with one company dominating the market and new ideas and developments of creative companies or people (for example Foveon) will have a hard time.
That does not mean, that I don’t like my A7R and NEX and the innovation, that Sony pushes. But competition will push Sony and the others even more.
Sony is finally getting some love from the consumers, why would you then give your biggest competition your most powerful asset? I understand its a business and if the Sony camera business wasn’t on the up, then I would get it, but its starting to take off! I just hope sony have something special up their sleeve for the ones who have stuck by them since those damn A100 days. lol
That’s because Sony is making money from selling sensors. They’re loosing money on cameras.
This is a huge company with huge financial problems. Their goal is to maximize share in sensor business. Cameras? Not so much. They’re most likely loosing money with each A7 sold. But each A7 sold is (almost) one 5Dm3 not sold. 🙂
Just an observation on the wording but they said ‘patent exchange’. Another possibility is that Canon and Sony will each design and build their own sensors but allow each other to infringe on existing patents in order to get there. This actually makes sense since Canon and Sony both build sensors. Nikon will receive whatever Sony comes up with and the question being whether or not the Canon stipulated that Sony can’t sell this sensor to Nikon? Maybe this is a little bit conspiracy theory but why not have some fun with it. This is a rumor site after all.
Let’s hope that Canon fixes the lossy compression currently in all Sony mirrorless cameras. Here’s a straight forward example of how Sony’s compression, WB, color issues and astigmatism negatively impact every Sony mirrorless photo.
Where is this example?
I don’t see a link to photos.
You are selling wolf tickets
These are screen shots in LR.
The histogram differences make the story pretty clear.
there is nothing to see but your “Test 1” “test 2” in text.
no photos
looking forward to seeing them
Test 2
Bored now, BYE BYE!
They were deleted somehow
Rest of set
And again. 🙂
Poof, it’s gone……….. 🙂
Test 1
So Canon is begging Sony for help on designing a good sensor, what say you Asston Berlin.
Stop copy pasting the same comment on different pages, troll.
So the cowards running Sony Alpha Rumors can’t tolerate to see Sony cameras beat by Nikon ?
Why won’t you leave my screenshots up ?
proof?…
Go peddle your religious crap elsewhere, none here are interested in what you think you know. It’s about time you lived a life of your own instead of regurgitating someone elses experiences. You’re the text-book definition of a religious zealot and I for one have no patience for your personal insecurities.
I believe the Nikon demi-gods are jelous of the Sony trinity (A, MD and FE mount).
What? a Mini Disk?
Minolta MD
I wonder if it’s possible to shoot a wedding with all manual focus lenses. I’m tempted to try this. Hmmm.
That’s what we did before AF was invented. We also used something called film. It cost money every time you push the button so we tended to make every shot count, unlike the machine gun rapid fire hope to get a good one system that too many new photographers are using. I still prefer manual focus to AF in general.
I only shoot manual as well.
You have nowadays if the AF is not reliable with mirrorless. But that future. The days of Minolta are gone.
Honestly, I shoot manual, because I don’t feel like I actually take the picture when I use auto focus.
This^^^
In my spare time manual lenses are fine. I’m slow and methodical. I may go out hiking and come back with tops 30 pictures. With these Loxia, a nice small set up and an A7II would be ideal. The only problem is funding the transition. If I sell my Alpha glass then the occasional wedding becomes a bit of an issue. For my purposes I’m thinking:
A7II: Loxia 50mm, 21-24 (not sure yet what) and new Helinar 15mm III Voigltander.
A77II: 16-50 2.8 and 8-16 sigma.
I’ll keep the Zeiss 135mm 1.8, mino 100 macro 2.8, 24mm Mino (I kinda like that little guy) and Tokina 300mm F4 I have. I think this would be a good set up moving forward. Well, I also already have a full M43 set up- not sure what to do with that. A7 threw a wrench into the works.
And I do shoot film. Expensive though. I do some 120 and 35mm through my Mino 7000.
I like your thinking. I guess it depends on how many weddings you are shooting. If it is a major portion of your income I’d say stay focused on what puts food on the table. If you are only doing a few you always have the option of renting the lenses you need until your funding plan comes to fruition.
It was SOP back in the pre AF days and a good photographer got excellent results. Helps if you have a powerful flash with a bounce head like an old Metz 202 or 402.
When you have mastered all forms of photography like I have, it is possible.
Art cannot be completely defined. There is no mastery, only mastering you own interpretation and realizing your vision.
Impossible. No wedding ever has been shot until autofocus cameras were introduced.
I get it. But like, could I get away with it at a wedding these days. Demands are different. It’d be bad asss if I could.
If there is a 50 mp Sensor it’s going to the Proline of Sony which is by Statement the A-mount. I guess the A 99 II will be launched with it. Such a full size sensor deserves a full size body thats also why they launch the mk II of the 24-70 which was launched along to the A900 also a A-mount body.
However all the rumours indicate the new sensor will be in E mount. A99II is still up in the air and no one knows anything about this camera.
So Canon admits that their sensors are not the best. They say: ” we will select the best sensor, whoever the manufacturer is” – and now select Sony.
What’s wrong with that?? I’m a long time Canon guy and only a complete fanboy would not admit the simple fact that Sony currently makes the best sensors….not exactly news to anyone.
Sony is not making the best sensors. Sony is making one of the best sensors, but – unlike competition – sells them.
It was shown multiple times that Nikon can design very similar sensors and other companies (Toshiba, Renesas) can manufacture them.
Comparing with Panasonic is a bit harder. E-M1 (Panasonic) is much better than E-M10 (Sony), but the price difference is huge. Sensor in M1 could cost as much as a whole M10. 🙂
As for Canon… I don’t know if this is such a great news for the system. Many people chose Canon because the sensor was different to what Sony/Nikon/Panasonic/Fuji(non X-trans) offer. Different noise pattern (grain). Different colours. Generally: many people find photos from a 5Dm3 to be more attractive than those from D810 or A7.
If Canon uses Sony’s design, we’ll end up with 2 basic designs: the one mass produced by Sony (pushed to the limits for low ISO DR, green dominance) and the Fuji X-trans (weird files: hard to work with, hard to compare to competition…).
This is IMO the problem here, not who has more CMOS production lines…
Who makes Samsung sensors? Don’t forget to throw them in the mix now.
Who uses Samsung ILC?
Tens (hundreds?) of companies (or research institutes) make sensors for scientific/industrial equipment. Some of the might have larger sales than Samsung with the NX lineup. 🙂
I didn’t mention Aptina (now a part of a larger company) who sells *a lot* more sensors than Samsung (by an order of magnitude).
But you’re essentially right. Samsung can make CMOS sensors. Possibly the worst optimized designs today, but – thanks to the best semiconductor technology and amount of cash – they can offer things other companies can’t (like 15fps).
I shoot with Canon 5dMkIII and Sony A7r. I picked up the Sony for the IQ and haven’t been disappointed at all. But, I (and all my friends who are pro shooters) would love to get a 50mp sensor in a Canon body and we wouldn’t care where the sensor came from. There are enough ways around the minute differences in manufacturers if shooting in RAW…which all of us do. Canon makes it and I will buy it; Sony makes it and I will buy it.
this is a serious question about “different colors” of a camera or
sensor (I do not mean DR or noise!).
My understanding has always been,
that RAW should come directly from the RGB sensor and the WB is done in
the RAW converter. The implementation in the RAW converter is
responsible for the colors?
In critical situations like portraits, stills or landscape (for example
in the wood) I use a shot with the colorchecker and make a profile for
this situation. The colors come more or less perfect.
Thanks for any help or explanation
dierk
Canon, Sept 2014: “we make the best sensors”
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/curiosity-canon-says-we-and-not-sony-make-the-best-sensors/
That’s smart if they can get better. For decades they used to not make the sensors in their cameras – Kodak did.
Did Kodak make the original 5D sensor, that was a lovely thing around 400ISO?
They made the “sensors” for all of the canon cameras without a D (as well as Nikon, minolta,et al.) and the sensor was swappable…
I don’t get it! Sony and some Fanboyz claim the A6000 is the best NON-DSLR AF out on the market.. Canon NON-DSLR AF is known to definitly SUCK => the “famous” CANON EOS M still lose against 1st generation Sony Nex??? What is this non-sens Rumor about??? Please explain – name only ONE CANON on sensor AF that is known as performer??? And for your information OM-D on sensor AF is NOT from Canon.
70D or 7D2?
Yeah, and both still suck in comparison to any mirrorless camera on the market with PDAF, from any brand.
Here is a review, that will hopefully shut you up and your constant trolling: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-70d/12
And here is a quote from it:
***Worse still, the screen blacks out completely during continuous shooting, making the whole thing something of a guessing game, particularly when panning to follow a moving subject. This means that Dual Pixel AF is effectively limited to being a ‘one shot’ mode when shooting stills.
This behaviour is disappointingly reminiscent of first generation mirrorless cameras, which worked in much the same way. It looks very dated compared to the most recent models, which offer continuous shooting modes that show live view between frames, and can refocus between shots. ***
The only troll here is you! I just answered the question and this was my first comment here after 3 months.
Dude, I apologized, didn’t I. I mistaken your name for someone else… See above my post.
You are an idiot…
My apologies about the “trolling comment” below, for some reason I though your nickname said “Anton Berlin”.
I have returned from banishment, please stop clicking flags.
I think you mean, you have returned from your mom’s basement.
Clicked.
Canon’s >20mp sensors are already considered “aged” due to lower dynamic range. I think not only the 50mp one but also the latest 24mp sensor of Sony might find usage in new Canons.
I need some serious advice. Have a deal on an 850- can’t tell if I should grab it. I’m down an A mount camera right now. I have the A7- which is swell, but it’s a bit limited. Either I hunker down for a few years with 850 and zeiss A mount glass or sell it off and start building FE mount. It comes with a warranty I can extend for a few years.
Is it a new A850? Is the deal good enough where a used A99 doesn’t make sense?
If both are a “yes”, then by all means!
Not new, but barely used. I”d prefer this over the A99. 770.00.
Well, for 770 you can’t go wrong, A99s go for twice that, and as you said you prefer A850 over A99, making it an obvious choice.
I love EVF, so for me older alphas are a no-go. I’m just hoping for A99II to come out soon, so that I could grab a used A99 for sub $1k.
If you could get it for real cheap maybe. Noisy images above 1600 but I can’t say if I had mine still if I would ever use it instead of my 99. I barely pick that over my 1dx. Maybe wait a little while longer and you can have my 99 for cheap. Thinking about selling the 99 and moving to mirrorless for my second body.