The imaginary GH5 got described at Suggestionofmotion. It has V-Log, Multi aspect sensor 4k at 60fps, 16 stop of dynamic range and so on… All nice bells and whistles but so far I have no reliable specs to share on 43rumors. And unlike Suggestionofmotion hopes I know for certain there is no GH5 coming at NAB.
Let’s take the chance to let Panasonic know what kind of feature you seriously want to have on the GH5. I certainly hope the GH5 is the first with the new organic sensor!
Your top GH5 features wishes are?
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A 24MP sensor and 4k at 60fps. Maybe a stop better low light. That’s about it.
On sensor stabilisation to choose from OIS or IBIS.
8.3MP sensor for ultra clean 4K even in ultra high ISO.
60FPS 4K
240FPS 1080p
480FPS 720p
For video, nobody needs more than 8.3MP, right ?
dual-native ISO that they(pan) use on Vericam35 (goo++)
it show clean 800/5000 ISO same quality.
It’s a stills camera too remember!
You want stills, every one knows it’s the Olympus you want.
Have two otherwise identical versions, like A7s vs A7r
8 mp for stills is enough in a video centered hybrid. I prefer this option to improve video quality by reducing processor burden required for downsampling. Makes whole sensor readout easier too.
You realize that with a 4:3 sensor, it has to have a minimum of 12MP (4K x 3K) to record 1:1 4K video, right? 😉
Yes, my bad
new hi-end/flagship on NAB,i want more detail,i do not expect for GH5 today.
no 4K crop
1. Pro Res codec (Wishful thinking – H265… Compressed RAW)
2. 240FPS 720P – 120FPS 1080P – 60FPS 4K
3. Some sort of stabilization would be nice… even using old school mega OIS, this would help manual lens a lot
4. Dual native ISO like the Vericam35
this
Perhaps we should be talking about the supposed GH4 firmware update instead…
minor update still release but no v-log on GH4
IBIS and price below $1000.
12MP sensor: larger pixels, less noise and better DR.
1. No 4K crop.
2. 12MP 4:3 sensor = 4K 16:9
(with a separate stills centric version 24MP e.g. like Sony do with the A7 range)
3. Less noise, better high ISO, better DR.
4. Global shutter.
5. 50p 4K. 240p FHD.
6. 4.2.2 10 bit internal.
7. new YAGH in a grip style with it’s own battery for audio/video expansion and with it’s own SD slot for back up recording.
8. IBIS – not sure about this because seen some weird warps and blurs on EM5ii footage.
Easily the best of these features would be the global shutter and 5-axis IBIS. I doubt either would happen soon though. The rest are possibilities.
In order of importance to me:
#1: in built ND filters, absolute top of the list for me!
#2: waveforms & vectorscope
#3: two SD card slots, for dual recording
#4: even higher dynamic range (16+ stops would be amazing!)
#5: 240fps FHD
#6: 2x XLR inputs
#7: ProRes 422 10bit internal recording
Top three are very important to me, next four are “nice to haves”.
Seems like this would be a very large camera – FS700/C500 size with XLR inputs , built in ND, and 2 SD slots. Nice features but seems like it would no longer be a GH camera.
The GH4 is a fantastic machine. Main focus for GH5 should be improving:
1) DR
2) ISO Performance
3) Colour Science
I would also love a built-in ND filter. 4 or 6 stop / clear switchable.
Agreed! The LX7 after all has a ND filter in it.
ND would be very nice
GPS.
#1 feature for my GH5 is multi aspect ratio sensor!
As a current GH2 (Moon T8) user all I want from GH5 is mar sensor so I can have no crop.
If GH5 has it, I will preorder on the first day no matter costs.
$1 million dollars?
4:3 16:9 multi aspect, no additional crop like gh4
improved peaking
you hate the small crop sensor too?
Needs:
– Better lowlight, with very faint organic grain starting to shine trough at ISO6400 but which is easily suppressable/correctable, with ISO12800 still considered usable (ISO1600 and ISO3200 are okayish right now, but leaves lots of room for improvement and being able to use ISO6400 and get a nice just about clean image would be awesome), A7S-like MP reduction to 12.2MP should help with that and is worth the trade-off (stills/hybrid). Better dynamic range due new sensor tech
– Global shutter would be nice
– Slowmotion that’s just as good quality in high frame rate as low frame rate
– Multi-aspect ratio video shooting including 24p
– Framing guides
– V-LOG, Prores, RAW recording (RAW at 2K if 4K is too tricky)
– Better color science
– Improved peaking. Improved autofocus as well
– 2nd SD slot
– Good battery life. Currently the GH4 does an amazing job, don’t worsen it
– Compact audio box add-on/accessory with 2x XLR input (not something like the BLEGH unit)
Something like that. And I want a GX7-successor with stabilization during video recording that makes for a nice B cam to the GH5.
Good one, my wish list too.
That’s not really thing thing I ever expect to see in this style of camera. I mean, I would love ’em to death if they would go with it, but I just don’t see it happening for the GH-range of cameras.
I do not mind screw on filters, filter holders and/or matte boxes that much either though, so they’re forgiven. It’s one of my least priorities for them to be looking at.
Besides, wouldn’t it be better if they could have a kind of ‘dim’ option for the sensor instead? If they manage to get useful low sensitivity? ISO2, ISO4, ISO8, ISO16, ISO32, ISO64, ISO100, ISO125, ISO160, ISO200, [..]
Or perhaps a very thin screw on electronic adapter (between mount and lens) with a thin layer of glass of which it’s state can be darkened by electronic pulses, sharing similarities with these modern glass windows that use this kind of technology as window blinds (electrochromic/smart glass).
What if it is perfect the way it is? Because I don’t do video, I can’t think of anything it lacks…
Video is the future for web content delivery, stills are sooo passé 😉
You really need 4k for web content?
4K gives you lots of latitude in post when delivering HD. You can crop, slide across the frame, zoom in/zoom out, stabilise etc, all without losing resolution for full HD.
However, 2.5K is probably enough. I’d rather have 2.5K at 60p and better codec than the current 4K offering.
Definitely a multi aspect sensor to reduce the crop factor in 16:9.
It would then have a crop factor of less than 2x, compared to the current 2.3x in GH4 4K.
Low noise sensor @ 2000 ISO
Yes , GH5 to feature first Organic Sensor is welcome .
Although I still prefer the 88 dbs sensor to make it’s debut in a RF camera , the GX
but it seen very unlikely this time .
Hi Yun, I am actually of the opposite believe. I think the organic sensor will debut in a stills camera first mainly because the demands of video will cause more heating. To me it will be fitting for Panasonic to release a G8 (G1 being the first mirrorless) with the first organic sensor. A G8 will have more room with a larger body than GX (but smaller than GH) and higher capacity battery.
Actually looking at the OMD5 II, this camera is close to perfect in terms of built / price / feature set. If Panasonic can emulate all this and add a moderate level of 4K capability, it will be awesome.
The GX and GH can follow on this with an improved and expanded feature set. Actually reading some of the posts here, a GH with multi-aspect sensor, dual memory slots, IBIS, global shutter etc. makes for a really exciting camera bearing in mind the organic sensor is suppose to give expanded dynamic range and higher ISO capabilities.
Two SD card slots!
waveform and falsecolour
– Square sensor (or at least a multi aspect one);
– selectable faces/eyes when multiple faces/eyes are detected.
For movie?
For still.
Five axis stabilization!
Five axis stabilization!
Five axis stabilization!
Seems to be more fruitfull not to discuss 100% vapourware. What features should GX8 have. That seems far more interesting.
Okey..Gh5…
-16 stops DR? Sorry, I want this cam to happen before 2021. If we get this cam in december or so, 14 stops would be absolutely fantastic. I think 13- 13,4 stops is more realistic.
Now what it should have:
– Fullsensor readout to get 4k…or more (but this will induce bining I fear)
– near 25 Mpixels is now mandatory.. Look at GF7, bulbmode, dpreview comparison. Look at the lower left corner. New RAW processing means it is vsibly better than GH4. Time to up the megapixels and most certainly with a better sensor.
– Make the viewfinderof gorilla glass. Mine is scratched like hell without me ever touching it! happened in the bag.
– 12 fps with C-AF, enhance focustracking abilities.
– 3 MPixel EVF (just because ;-)).
– Much improved AF in 4K video
– 60-90-120- 150 fps slomo with sound and AF (rarely use 96 fps so unsure if it has AF actually).
. RAW buffer of 100 shots
– Some strange menu idiocyncracies should be ironed out.
– 12-bit e-shutter, 1/32000 s.
– DFD-2, with evenhigher hitrate, Oly profiles in cams database to make the system attractive to those who have many Oly lenses.
– In general IQ like current D5500 would be fantastic, current A6000 performance would the top of what we reasonably should expect.
The need to introduce a 100-250 mm F2.8 to F4 with this cam, cerrtainly with such AF prowess.
SSD Bay, 12mp new sensor sensor. RAW Dng video, prores 422 video 200mbit (same codec as blackmagic production camera. For less than 1500$
Multi Aspect sensor with proper downscaling (no Line skipping), Keep at
16mp. Keep the 1 to 1 option for 4k also. More Dynamic Range,
same/similar body, bigger viewfinder. Better handling of skin tones and
eliminate the orageness! Ibis. Improvements of CAF to rival DSLR.
Simplify the video modes i.e no need for frequency changes and fiddling
with options to enable super slow mo, higher quality slomo.
can’t ask for too much for a small sensor.
Global shutter. 5axis IBIS. clean 3200ISO.
-IBIS
-low light
+1
– 20.2 Megapixels
– 14 bit RAW
– 65-area-focusing
– ISO 51200
– dual SD card slots
– mono LCD panel on top
I disagree with you above… mainly because you have two items that conflict with each other… the 20.2 MP sensor and ISO 51200.
More MP means smaller photosites, which means more noise at a given ISO. If the GH5 were to only have 12MP (how often do you really NEED more?), then they would automatically gain an ISO improvement of 25% and even MORE with video since they would be able to use a full sensor video readout (12MP is 4K x 3K).
I’d be happy with a 12MP sensor with improved DR, ISO, and readout speed. For the software, I’d like to see a bit of digital stabilization (say with a 4.2K wide sensor) and a true LOG recording ability.
Let’s face it, the GH series are video cameras first, photo cameras second, even though they are very capable taking photos.
Oh, noticeably improved video AF and the ability to manually adjust all settings during recording. Better focus peaking and false color would also be nice. Heck, while I’m at it, why not a best-in-class phone app (both Android and iPhone)?! 🙂
I’d also like to see the incorporation of 5 axis IBIS, but not at the expense of losing the GH series current long recording times. A global shutter would also be nice, but, IMO, not as important as DR and ISO improvements.
Finally, some additional slow-mo speeds, especially at 1080p.
Yep, that would be nice, but I’m afraid that Panny would try to charge A7s money for something like this. If it were priced at or below the GH4, then it would definitely kick butt!
– Improved picture quality of VFR (4k 100fps would beawesome)
– Move the headphone jack so it’s not in the way of the LCD (otherwise keep the form factor of the GH4 – it’s great!)
– Enable assigning ISO to the shutter speed wheel (hoping for this in a firmware update for the GH4)
– False color
– Improved LCD for ext. sunny shooting
– Built in ND!
– Global shutter
– Keep improving picture quality like they have been
If they could sell it in a kit with the new superzoom 12-300 f1.8 G X ULTRA-GIGA OIS, I would sell one of my kidneys to afford it, or just work very hard to get it – one of the two!
FWIW, I just don’t EVER see a “DSLR style” camera having a built in ND filter. It would just increase the body size too much. Besides, with MFT, how often do you really have, “it’s too bright” issues?
All the time when doing video!
Hmmm, I guess you are running your lens with the aperture fully open to reduce DOF. Yeah, in most of what I shoot, that isn’t that important… and it makes pulling focus SO much easier. And I don’t mind using either screw on, magnetic attachment, or matte box ND filters.
Really would love higher frame rate in full resolution for slow motion: 120fps, 240fps if possible! Dual SD card slots would be amazing, even if bigger camera. Would love more shooting resolutions such as 2K options as well as 4K. More dynamic range. Maybe have it vacuum house and make coffee too.
Global shutter
5 axis IBIS
That would be amazing, throw in raw recording, a multi-aspect sensor, and panasonic would have to add another production line to build them fast enough.
In body image stabilization
4k+ viewfinder resolution
Bigger screen 3.5-4″ 3:2 dimension.
16bit RAW
and the new organic sensor of course 🙂
– TimeCode direct into the camera.
– Start and stop recording with TC from audio recorder.
– Multi camera control start/stop in the app.
I’d kill for Wi-Fi jam sync!
I’d like an oversize 4:4 sensor, so one could do larger square photos with a higher MP count, and also shoot vertically without having to turn the camera, or at least the return of the multi-aspect sensor.
Also, at least 20-24 MP, more exposure range for a bit of extra headroom in the highlights, cleaner results from 3200 and 6400, better skin tones, useable AF in 4K video mode, same body style/size and button layout as GH 3/4, same batteries and other accessories, better C-AF for action, especially in lower light, and 16 bit RAW in all modes. Video could use a more robust color output, say 4:2:2 would be very nice for grading.
The 5 axis IBIS from the EM5II would be nice, but I don’t expect to see that. However, combined with the video capabilities of the GH4 and the stabilization of the EM5II, Panasonic would have the most capable run and gun camera ever, bar none.
Oh, and will someone at Panasonic please steal Nikon’s flash exposure system?
Internal 4:2:2, 4K 60fps, 2K 120fps, VLOG. That is all I ask.
S35 low MP sensor, global shutter, ditch the DSLR shape
In other words, not a GH.
min 20MPx sensor with Still IQ equal GH4
4k EVF 1.4X
Improved NR video 4k
Same body of GH4
4k native resolution. More angular design instead of curvy.
built in ND filters, iso performance to compete with A7s, less clunky xlr preamp box (make it the size of a battery grip)
Is there any other camera on market that can compete with the high ISO performance of the A7s? That sensor is 4x the size and as I understand it designed with a great sacrifice in resolution to achieve that ISO performance.
Nikon D4s?
A partridge in a pear tree.
Is Panasonic really working on a global shutter?? I always see it mentioned here, but I am not sure if they have ever officially mentioned it anywhere or hinted at it, or have they?
I always hate my low sync speeds so this would be interesting in photography , not just for video.
20 megapixels
IBIS
No more 4k crop.
More Megapixel for stills, fewer for full-sensor-readout video
Retouch-Funtions for stills, like they have on Lumix Compact-Cameras
Same body
In Body Stabi
year , i want too,but pixel relate to video mode,
Possible, 2 layers sensor 1.for still 22mp that good with 14bit raw,
2.with 10mp for 4k ultra-fast readout ,huge photo site 🙂
299,- $ usd with vat. 🙂
a 1200 PS car for THE STIG !!!! 🙂
There’s actually nothing Panasonic can do to make the GH series more appealing short of a better sensor.
GH never compose re-use image sensor ,GH1 with 14MP,GH2 with multi-aspect,
GH3 with rumors sony sensor,GH4 use new develop pana-homebase more dr,color bit.
I’d say the improvement (if any) from the GX7 to the GH4 in terms of IQ is negligible. Looks like the GX series gets the new sensor then the GH.
10 Megapixels for better Low Light and less 4K crop!
IBIS!
It would make sense for them to roll back the megapixles for the GH5 since the GH4 has been heralded as a video camera versus stills photography. Having a lower pixel count (10 megapixels, I believe you would only need 6 megapixels to get 4K from what I’ve read, could be wrong) would allow it to get better low light with 4K and could be a killer camera for Panny
4K width requires a 12MP sensor (4K x 3K) in the 4:3 ratio m43 sensor format. If it was <12MP, then it either wouldn't be a 4:3 sensor or couldn't record 4K. BTW, 4K video is about 8.8MP.
a cheaper, paired down verion like the gh50, $700 forget 4k and raw/prores 1080p video
So, the GH3 with different file output?
I just want it come out RIGHT NOW so they can release a GX8.
Yes!
An unimproved GH5 is available right now. It’s called GH4.
Point is, they aren’t going to release a GX8 until they’ve pushed out the GH5, so I want them to hurry up with it. I haven’t been interested in the GH line since giving up my GH2, so I’m not really concerned with what they put in it 🙂
GX8 release is rumored for Aug/Sep.
We can only hope, but I’m not holding my breath 😉
Yeah, and hopefully it has a greatly improved ibis that is competitive with that in the Olympus EM5 MkII.
Better IBIS would be nice. I’d be more interested in higher usable ISO and maybe not have the viewfinder stick out so much… it tends to catch on certain bags. Otherwise I love the GX7 and hope they don’t stray too far from the design.
20 bit 888 8k @ 5000 fps, smaller file sizes, iso 1million w no grain, detachable lcd monitor, hover capability with programmable coordinates, hand massager, babe projector for model shoots without models
U mad my day with the detachable lcd… Indeed amaizing one.
what feature should GH5 have? only one, 36mm x 24mm sensor
Native compatible nikon lenses fx.
What ? That small useless thing called full frame ? I would prefer a medium format sensor since everybody know that’s the minimum for taking good photos.
seems like most of the 43 users are not happy with their tiny small 43 sensor. They should just shut up and leave 43, go use other better camera.
I wonder who uses Four-Thirds or micro Four-Thirds who actually wanted something different. Certainly, there isn’t peer pressure pushing people to the format.
5 axis IBIS – Touch Shutter – Touch LCD for all menu items and functions – new sensor that is Backlit –
I don’t feel like Panny can continue to ignore IBIS anymore. They need to add this in.
Colour options like the GH1 had.
Gold is best! Best, best, best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7-RetY7fGo
I don’t like shooting 16:9 video on a small 4:3 sensor, many sensor area is wasted. I want to be able to shoot 4:3 video.
The return of the oversized sensor, like on the GH1 and GH2 then?
Lots of real-estate on 16 megapix, that said.
I hope they can get a Sony sensor. Sony is the best. Image quality is better. ISO performance is better. Dynamic range is better. Cooling is better. RAW file is better. Bokeh is better.
Sony’s cameras use a larger (apsc) and much larger (ff) sensor, that’s why they get better iso and DR…
From what I’ve read (I’m interested in picking up a a7ii once the price drops), many people complain about Sony’s RAW files and they seem to be one of the worst. They use some sort of compression on their RAW files (I believe) so you can’t get as much detail out of them as you can with other cameras. I don’t know exactly how Sony’s compressed RAW files compare to what you can get out of the current M43 RAW files (adjusting for sensor size and all).
As with the GH3, it should already have a Sony-made sensor. It could probably use the full BSI technology, though.
BSI only makes a sensor better when it has a high pixel density, otherwise it’s not very effective.
The latest Panasonic sensor actually outperformed the Sony sensor used on the GH3 and E-M5.
yes, panasonic sensors are getting a little bit better now, they match the older generation of sony sensor now. But I think we should really phase out the bayer sensors. They are just not good enough on a small m43 area.
this is not really true.
Of course not. Qhich is why the E-M1 uses a panasonic sensor….
“Bokeh is better”.
Yeah, I love the bokeh produced by Sony’s sensors. Some people think that the bokeh is produced by the lens, but you and I know better, right?
Sony’s sensors have an automatic Gaussian Blur: 100 filter applied to the entire image area so you get super smooth bokeh in every shot.
really can’t ask for too much for a small sensor.
How about 12 megapixel (I use mine for video only) should help sensitivity and the image quality over all
Yes, just like the upcoming competitor A7Sii from Sony. 12mp is good enough.
In Body Stabilization.
bigger sensor 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁
The is the impossible dream of all of us here, cheer 🙂
Yea a bigger sensor so none of the old lenses work with the camera anymore. Sounds great /sarc
The usual would be improved sensor performance
IBIS would be wicked.
Audio during 96fps recording would be practical
One more customizable function-button 🙂
Better continuious auto focus tracking
But in all honesty I won’t be replacing my GH4 for at least 5 years – what am I, made of money?!
A DirectPrint button…. :-S
How about a GH4s – just an incremental update to the GH4. Why make a whole new camera? Have the GH4s do the following:
– Assign ISO to wheel like the Sony bodies (very useful)
– Reduce sensor to 12MP (enough MP for the vast majority of stills shooters)
– Clean ISO’s up to 6400
– DFD with Olympus lenses
– Announce with super-duper fast prime – a 35mm equivalent prime at f/1.2
Some people are suggesting reduced sensor resolution. As a video guy, I’d like that, but it doesn’t seem plausible that Panasonic would drop the resolution and still call it a “GH.” OTOH, full sensor video recording with no moiree would be a very good thing. So, my hypothetical GH5 would have an updated sensor with a bit better performance but the same resolution. It would also have a video processor with a few years newer technology, and thus be fast enough to be able to cleanly handle recording the whole sensor. (Ideally as 1:1, but scaled to 4k for compression would be fine as well.) The updated sensor would be a bit faster, so it would have reduced rolling shutter in normal operation. Exotic sensors like Organic or Global Shutter probably aren’t quite ready for prime time and should launch in something other than the “flagship” camera model while they are being refined. But the extra speed of a newer sensor with the same pixel count would mean that it could do improved slow motion. Selectable resolution would allow smaller sensor crops as a trade for increased frame rates. Except for being a multiple of the codec’s macroblock size, nobody actually cares about recording directly to a native video resolution. Just like nobody ever used the AVCHD recording modes to make their family sit through hours of unedited footage by sticking the SD card into a BluRay player. Any normal video editing software like Premiere would have no problem editing with arbitrarily reduced resolution footage for very high frame rate slow motion – no need to arbitrarily force it to be 720p or something. Record to at least 10 bit 422 internally with no extra gear needed, and preferably support a RAW style recording mode. Basically, GH5 should take the headline feature of the GH4: 4K video, and just focus on taking advantage of sensor and processing improvements to refine the same basic feature set, without focusing on adding even more resolution and staying at the very limit of what is practical for the processing side to keep up with.
Then, sell it for peanuts.
better marketing. Until Firmware 3, the Gh4 was the better camera (compared to the OMD EM1), with faster AF and better tracking. Lenses worked better on the GH4 to, with no IR or AF problems. Still: everybody was only talking about the EM1 and if someone asked all you heared was: get the Oly.
The GH4 was not only a great video camera, but also an awesome stills camera, but many forget about get
Oh, and no IBIS for the GH5 please – shutter shock should be an exclusive to Olympus!
12MP (megapixels = noise alia moire ecc) RAW and Prores HQ 422 only this only this
How about a smaller, more compact body for starters. Then add a 1/250 sec. flash sync speed and in-body stabilization, and I’ll be happy.
If a GH5 could do 4K at 60fps (a big if), I hope they could also support 1080p at 240fps and 720p at 480fps.
If all comments suggesting a larger sensor would be beneficial are removed by the moderator, how exactly are Panasonic and Olympus going to be aware of the problem? We won’t get a larger sensor if they don’t receive our opinions.
“how exactly are Panasonic and Olympus going to be aware of the problem?”
What problem?
small sensor problem? I think
You again?
Because the sensor isn’t a ‘problem’.
And three dozen posts (usually pushing Sony) under rotating names, often posing as an M43 user isn’t expressing an ‘opinion’. It’s trolling.
I encourage you to contact the Admin if you feel differently.
One man’s troll is another man’s passionate advocate for a good cause.
However, I won’t pursue the matter further. I can see that you already have your hands full dealing with the nut job who keeps posting that you’re a bad moderator.
Hiding behind many different names and posing as an M43 user while shilling for the A7 isn’t earnestly advocating a change for M43.
You’ll see a lot of differing opinions on how to improve the GH5 here, but none of the serious (or sane) ones deal with sensor format.
That’s like going to a Miata board and obsessively demanding Mazda drop a big block V8 in it.
You could just get the admin to set up a ‘wall of shame’ page and copypasta the best comments there. Side note, a Miata with a big block v8 would be siiiiiiick 🙂
Here’s a start.
That was a thing in the 1980s. I believe the preferred engine was a Ford Mustang V8.
Actually Paul Newman did put a Ford big block engine in a VW Bug and the results were magnificent:) Maybe there’s a lesson there.
Paul Newman was the real deal.
Zeikon, maybe you should stop removing comments before Admin makes some judgement? Most of them are very fine with me
What’s the point of appointing a moderator, if he has to get every decision approved by the admin? The admin doesn’t have time to deal with every comment personally.
First of all, let me say that I enjoyed your musical production of ‘Hamlet’.
That being said, before I started modding, the Admin didn’t moderate this site. Go back a few months and see how that was faring.
As I mentioned, this particular troll has posted over three dozen messages over the past twenty for hours under various names, often posing as an M43 user and usually pushing Sony. I guess that’s a step up from our old Canon troll, but a troll is a troll is a troll.
There’s a link in the upper right to contact the Admin for anyone that thinks I’m being unfair (which again, I encourage you, or anyone else to do). The Admin can always review the deleted posts and make a call.
To thine own self be true.
I love working with the gh4 so much I’ve stopped using my more expensive Sony rig for video. But if you think sensor size doesn’t present a “problem” you’ve never used the gh4 to try to shot in an even moderately lit environment. If people want to advocate for a larger sensor without having to change the mount, I may not agree but more power to them.
I don’t shoot video and use primes in moderate light, so it isn’t a problem for me.
I haven’t seen a post explaining how to install said larger sensor without starting over with a new lens system. An advocate would explain that.
A troll tries to shoehorn the A7 (or canikon FF) into every conversation here.
Because we know what crop we bought and understand the compromise. End of the debate.
You want larger sensors such as APS-C, APS-H, 35mm, or for all I care MF? Please go ahead. Plenty of options on the market.
“Accepting and embracing disagreement is difficult for some people who
seek harmony and cooperation all of the time. Yet, without dissent and
differing opinions, the world would be a very bland and conformist place
indeed. Embracing disagreement is a valuable way of learning new ideas,
tempering your own ideas into workable outcomes, and reaching solutions
that everyone can benefit from.” – wikihow
Irrelevant.
If you want a larger sensor, and the associated bulk, then there is the Samsung NX1 at the APS-C size level or the A7s at FF. Don’t forget that M43 (and associated lenses) are much less bulky. Not to mention that Panasonic would have to come up with a whole new line of lenses to accommodate the increase in sensor size.
–global shutter
–low pixel image sensor like a7s
–built-in image stabilization
PDAF autofocus
More dyanmic range and 10-bit color are most important by far. More dynamic range means nothing without 10-bit (A7S is a good example).
A GH4 Cinema edition might be interesting a lower megapixels (say 12) sensor with better noise performance and faster sensor readout. 4K/60 (enough bitrate is a must) and 1080p / 120 with enough Mbit/s to make it professionally usable. USH-II card slot and usb3 naturally. I would not complain about.. should it have better efv’s or screen either. 🙂
I agree. A M43 sensor with 4K video couldn’t go lower than a 12MP sensor (4K x 3K). I’d like to see just a bit more (4.2K-4.5K x 3.2K-3.5K) to handle an in-camera digital stabilization a la Premiere’s Warp Stabilizer. And the ability to tell it to only stabilize vertically so pans don’t have any jerkiness.
Because sensor cooling with IBIS is so problematic, this could be an alternative. Internal CPU is easier to cool than an IBIS sensor.
Anyway, just a thought.
And please no more cropping for 4K. I want to use the full m43 sensor for 4K recording.
why cropping is a problem?
You lose your wide angle. My 12-40 is a 28mm equivalent in 4K. My canon 11-16 with speedbooster is a 16-23 equivalent in HD, but a 18-26 in 4K. This seems inconsequential, but there have been a number of situations where I’ve noticed. Also, my 45mm becomes a 105 equivalent. Also, there is a slight difference in DOF, as a result of the smaller effective sensor. I still shoot in 4K most of the time, but it’s just a bit of a drag to have the crop.
No thanks, a lot of us like to use Super 16 lenses in UHD…..tough.
Andera, this moderator is unacceptable, we don’t need him.
He is young and new here, forgive him.
Reduce the crop, multi aspect sensor a la GH2 (1.86 crop) would be great. Sane sensor size as in JVC would be phenomenal!
Less megapixels, so 2 times crop in 4K or a even multi aspect sensor, 60 fps in 4K, usable ISO at least at 3200, 10 bit internal recording, and v-log.
As a stills-only photographer I would say a good IBIS to match Olympus not the half-asssed attempt seen in the GX7.
Other than that, better AF tracking and not a lot else.
Just give us a new organic sensor….waiting for that since ages….then we can comprehensively shut the mouths of APS-C fanboys whose last saving grace is sensor performance
Sensor performance of current 4/3″ sensors is already comparable to APS-C sensors, if you factor in the difference in sensor size. And that difference will always be there, regardless of sensor technology. Besides, I don’t think we should expect any dramatic real-world improvements from an organic sensor.
Be happy with what you’ve got and don’t wait for things that may never come.
I know that man but the only thing holding pro DSLR users from switching is sensor performance and ISO sensitivity for low light….there is not a single MFT close to the top level DSLRs in DXOmark sensor ratings….Physics is physics but seeing how much MFT has improved numbers wise (they used to be about 45 and now they reached 75) having an MFT with about 80-85 DXOmark rating can make it the best camera ever
IBIS, more megapixels: 20 MP! Better low light performance when shooting stills.
More MP is generally moves in the opposite of better low light performance.
Why can’t the dynamic range and high ISO noise be improved? Clean ISO 6,400 and m43 is THE perfect system without question. Honestly, I think Panasonic can do it.
m43 is so prefect i love it too.
Are APS-C sized sensors at 24MP (similar pixel density) able to be improved as much as you’d like at this point?
I’m trying to determine if any 24 MP APS-C based camera body has clean ISO 3200 right now, and I believe that the answer is no.
currently the 28mp apsc sensor from Samsung is the best, but 32mp APSC sensor will be in market soon for sure.
You mean the most dense, not the best?
13+ stops of dynamic range and the choice of H.265, ProRes422HQ and Raw video. Making it a full featured camera with the perks of the single-feature Blackmagic Pocket.
an APS-C sensor, with a four third crop mode
One and done.
Why not FF?
The position of the connector pins won’t allow the placement of a FF sensor in the 43 mount, but APSC should work. Then people can use the amazing Samyang Rokinon 12mm F2.0 >ULTRA WIDE< lens on m43 camera and be happier.
People can already use the amazing Samyang Rokinon 12mm F2.0>ULTRA WIDE< lens on m43 since they make it with an M43 mount. No APSC necessary.
Unless you want to buy all new glass, not gonna happen from Panasonic. Not to mention a dramatic increase in body and lens sizes.
Another idea. Something like Olympus Air, but targeted at video. Something cheap, with 4K and assortments of ports.
So you want a Panasonic af100 without the EVF and screen…
My most wished for improvements:
1) The Dual-Native ISO that Panasonic uses on the new Varicam35. Impressive, noise-free performance at both ISO 800 and ISO 5000.
2) Native 10-bit 4:2:2 ProRes HQ in-camera recording. RAW would be great, but the files are probably too big to process in camera.
3) 4K at 60p.
4) Change back to Mini HDMI (like the GH3). The tiny Micro HDMI port in the GH4 is way too fragile.
5) Global shutter.
6) 14+ stops dynamic range.
7) Ability to lock the shutter speed when shooting video.
8) V-Log.
9) Built-in ND filters.
I don’t understand point 7 :O
When shooting video at 24p for the cinematic look, normally you want the shutter speed at 180 degrees. But if you accidentally touch the shutter scroll wheel without realizing it, you could change the shutter speed, which changes the motion blur, which changes the feel of the footage. I’d like the option of locking the shutter speed to avoid accidental changes while handling the camera.
Yeah, even the GH3 has this problem. Definitely needs to be fixed! In addition to changing the motion blur, it also changes the light sensitivity, requiring higher/lower ISO settings, depending on which way you bump it. 🙁
Agree with you on everything but the built-in ND filters. Would require a much larger camera body, probably another 1-2cm in front to back thickness and probably the same in height.
Seeing how well the A7S has held its price, my thought would be that Panny should drop the megapixel count to get better ISO. This would also allow there to be a clear difference between the GH series (video) and GX series (Photo). Since everyone reviews the GH4 as a video camera anyway Panny should embrace that and be willing to move down on the megapixels to 10 or 12 megapixels.
Good plan – a dual flagship strategy just might work
8.3 megapixel 4k sensor would certainly tempt me.
It would make processing easier, so maybe higher frame rates too.
Absolutely. No need for anything else. The lighting options would be phenomenal.
It would mean a 12MP M43 sensor. Because it has a 4:3 sensor, you would need a 4K x 3K (12MP) sensor. However, it would provide a minimum 25% improvement in ISO sensitivity just from that change! Sign me up.
Also, dropping down to a 12MP sensor could easily improve the dynamic range, another win!
Image quality, Image Quality, IMAGE QUALITY! 🙂
LOL, just buy an A7s… lord what an idiot..
Punch in focus while recording. But I want it in the GH4, not a future camera.
IBIS
Global shutter
14bit RAW
IBIS and global shutter are most important, but 14bit RAW would be useless on m43 unless they would reduce pixel count (and on a stills camera they have to increase it to compete with 24-28mpix APS-C competitors). Hello, there is noise in 12-bit RAW even at base ISO, what 2 more bits of noise will give you?
The 3rd requirement should be good, working OSPDAF (a la a6000 and E-M1).
Just because there is noise in a 12-bit file, it doesn’t mean that 2 more bits will give you mostly noise. The SNR could very well be the same, it doesn’t necessarily have to get worse. In any case, 2 extra bits will give you more malleable raw files that will withstand post-processing better. There really is no downside to having more data to work with.
If there is shadow noise in 12 bits, it DOES mean that adding 2 extra bits would mean only noise in those extra bits given the same levels of read noise during ADC. You will just represent the noise more precisely. It is in the dark areas, in the bright areas noise is overwhelming lower bits (photon noise is the square root of the signal anyway, if the higher bit of 12-bit pixel is 1, at least the last 5 bits are noise, probably 6). For post-processing, your software puts every pixel into 16 bits first, adding 4 bits for 12-bit RAWs – here are your bits.
I would understand if you would ask for 14-bit ADCs on the sensor (not on the processor as Canon does which adds transmission noise), with 4 times lower read noise, and THEN represented the result in a 14-bit RAW.
Isn’t 14-bit ADCs kind of implied if we’re talking about 14-bit raw files?
Not really. 2 different things.
Better color rendition similar to the Canon C100/C300/C500 cameras would be awesome. The Panasonic is kind of shit.
Nooooo thanks.
canon uses the super 35mm sensor, around the same size as APSC but in 16:9, so color rendition must be better than shooting 16:9 on GH4.
Stop that obsession with sensor size you troll. Won’t work here.
Myself, I really don’t like canon colors. Too much pinkish. Panasonic should take inspiration on Blackmagic color science.
It’s not so bad if you can use Davinci Resolve well. But it has a relatively steep learning curve. Also, a V-Log profile would help a lot with overall color. Some of the beta videos are awesome (see The Camera Store TV channel on YouTube for an example).
It would be great if it were able to make phone calls, so I don’t have to lug around a smartphone. The GH4 is bulky enough on its own.
I would say GH4 is bulky it is just a little bit lighter (100g) than the sony although it has a build-in flash. I think Panasonic can put more stuff in the GH5.
There is no GH5. Accept it.
Off course, but next year yes. They need to know NOW what people want most.
I read somewhere that the standard development cycle for cameras is around two years. This means that most hardware-related decisions, like choice of sensor and processor, are made at least two years before the camera hits the market.
So the technology in current models is really two years old technology, and the manufacturers face the problem of choosing technology now, that will give the consumers the features they will want two years from now.
24mp backlit sensor
Five axis stabilization!
Five axis stabilization!
Five axis stabilization!
Yeah, FIVE AXIS STABILISATION !
Yes
I’d agree, but only if it were:
1. Close to the Olympus EM5 MkII level stabilization and,
2. Didn’t affect the recording time due to the need to cool the sensor (i.e. a 30 min limit).
I want it all, now and for free of course.
Seriously, I think the next GH will enter the market in a year with:
– 4K/60p (not sure about that)
– faster focus in 4K
– more and higher FHD and HD slow motion rates
– small improvements in all other areas
I don’t expect panasonic to put in all the highlights of all the other brands. We gonna have to choose.
My suggestions
1. No EU recording length restriction. C’mon Panasonic stop being tight by squeezing more money out by avoiding full tax. Just charge more, the difference is negligible.
2. Low light performance similar to Sony A7S (not necessarily full frame if they can keep noise down though)
3. A 5/5.5/6k mode to allow better 4K after cropping/stabilisation
4. Built in ND filters
5. Stabilisation
6. Slightly larger body to allow for a larger LCD screen (helps with nailing 4k focus).
7. XLR input built in
8. RAW recording options
The recording length restriction is not just about avoiding full tax. Any device capable of recording video for at least 30 min continuously, is classed (and taxed) as a video camera/camcorder in the EU. That means that it must be marketed as a video camera in the EU, which of course is not desirable for a camera that is also intended for stills photography.
Trust me it’s a tax thing. Marketing the dual function video/camera features would not change at all. It’s just about squeezing a little more profit out in the EU by using a lower tax method. This is not exclusive to Panasonic of course, they all do it. I’m sure I worked it out that the difference is only around £20-£40 on GH4 (could be wrong as it’s been a while) but multiply that by every unit sold in UK then Euro equivalent in EU and suddenly that’s a huge saving for the manufacturers.
I hear you, but Panasonic has most of this in their Varicam line… and you have to pay for it. For XLR, larger LCD, built in ND, etc. you just need a much larger body.
Raw recording just won’t happen. It requires WAY too much write speed on the flash card… unless you are referring to HDMI out. Maybe with the YAGH box, you might get much of what you want. Then again, you are up in the ~$3K range before external recorder. 🙁
I love my GH4 but would really like:
1) Better ISO performance, going with a 12MP (not less) sensor if needed
2) 4K 60fps and 1080p 120fps
Otherwise I think the GH4 is just about perfect for the price! 🙂
I shoot about 20 weddings a year and what i would love to have is this:
1. senzor size to be 1.8 like it was on gh2, so current lenses still work and have better SDOF
2. better low light is a must, we don’t need a7s level of low light, 2 stops of better low light should be enough to cover most situations
3. better DR is always welcome
4. dual SD slot recording, this is complicated because it would make the
5. eliminate the viewfinder, i never use it in videography and the still photography bunch is probably non-existant on lumix gh3-4
6. RGB parade would be nice
7. focus peaking is ok, but, Panasonic, check that focus aid from smallHD monitors, it’s much better than peaking
8. if i were to use panasonic lenses with autofocus, the focus should be smooth like samsung nx1 and c100 with dual pixel, i can’t use the autofocus of panasonic lenses when it has that final focus hunt or whatever it does the the end.
9. keep the body light like it is now, one reason i didn’t switch to c100 or c300 is because it would break my arm with steadycam work, it’s just to heavy for run and gun, so don’t listen to people who want bigger body, it’s ok right now.
10. in camera raw would be something amazing, most people don’t know what to do with a 200mb/s bitrate of 10 bit 422 but proffesionals would jump ship from canon or sony to have a little gh5 doing something like this, i know this is too much to ask but if it can be done, why not.
All the best to Panasonic.
I mostly amen everything you say except for when I shoot video on the Gh4 I use the viewfinder 80 percent of the time since the AF is absurdly bad and the viewfinder is too small to trust for pin sharp focus.
Full Frame Sony a7II competitor. 5 axis stabilization.
I shoot documentaries for broadcast. The GH4 is almost a really good obs doc camera. However, it needs the following:
1/ 422 colour space. Recording internally. Nothing is more absurd than all the Frankenrig bullshit, via flimsy unreliable cables etc, etc to external recorders. The Panasonic 4k internallly recorded codec is terrific, economical and indistinguishable from Atomos Shogun for real world use. Make it 422 and you would have a chance of competing against Canon and Sony, who completely dominate the sector in factual TV.
2/ Proper audio. Improve the gain stages in the internal audio (the GH4 was a step back from the GH3 in this respect). Imagine if the GH5 was the first DSLR (or DSLR-type camera) to have professional quality audio. That would be a game changer.
3/ Clickless aperture and shutter speed wheels. The ability to change aperture and shutter speed smoothly would be a game changer. So would being able to assign ISO to one of these wheels by default.
4/ Completely agree with ali about focus aid from Small HD monitors. Much better than focus peaking which isn’t strong enough and is unreliable at slower apertures (i.e tells you it’s in focus when it isn’t)
5/ Improve the EFV resolution. For video shooters, one the best things about the GH series is the EVF.
6/ Change crop factor. 2.3 crop factor for 4K ruins effective focal length of lots of lenses.
7/ Introduce a high quality, faster 10 times zoom. 2.8 or 2. It would be big, but fine for video shooters.
8/ Better low light performance, of course
+1
Just to assimilate my favorite suggestions from everyone else’s posts… from a cinematographer’s standpoint I’d love:
1) A GH5 “S” sensor option for videographers, with a bare bones 9 mp sensor for huge pixels, no video cropping, no line skipping, and much improved low light capability.
2) World-class, Canon-style smart AF, dual pixel, that still works in low light. Variable speed, all the things the C300 mk ii does now but that every video camera should do. Bonus points for a joystick near the record button to tell the camera where you want it to focus next.
3) Improved DR, I’d love 15 stops but I don’t think 14 stops is unreasonable to hope for.
4) 4k 60fps, 10 bit internal 422. 200 mb per second.
5) Larger view touch screen, even if it means slightly larger body.
6) And to be really greedy I’d like to see 18 month update cycles instead of 2 years.
7) Five Axis Stabilization
8) Built-in ND filter.
Sony and Canon won’t build something like this until they’re forced to since it canibalizes their cash cows. But whoever builds the above will have my money and the money every other small budget filmmaker–especially the one man bands. My only fear is, Samsung is hungrier and will get there first.
lol you know this was an april fools joke.. lol all the idiots putting down what they want in the camera, hilarious
i want my gh5 to be able to record video like a RED Dragon and shoot like a nikon and for 1,000 and to be able to make me pizza on the spot, also travel back in time so i can take “PRO” video and “RAW” pictures of jesus christ and dinosaurs…. smh… end *sarcasm*
also i want high iso performance so i can shootz in the dark, and an in camera speed booster with built in ND filters, water proof, shatter proof, explosion proof, lava proof, dinosaur proof. Also i want it to be able to tell the future and give me winning lotto numbers…. You’re all idiots.
I think 6k best photo and ISO Performance. 4k video 60 .