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This was a very busy rumor day and at moments even very confusing 🙂 Therefore this post to clear out things and spread the good news:
1) SR4: Sony will announce the new A7II and the new 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 G SSM II A-mount lens within the next few days already!
2) SR4: The Sony A7II succeeds the A7 camera (uses the same 24MP sensor) but comes with an impressive 5 axis stabilization taken with the Olympus E-M1. Compared to the current A7 the A7II thicker (due the different grip). Weights 100 gram more. The camera should be announced within the next days already!
3) SR5: The A7II is not the “PRO” FE camera. The PRO FE camera is likely to be named A9 and will be announced and hit the stores the first half of 2015. And it has a new generation sensor!
In short Sony appears to have managed to make the miracle to add 5 axis stabilization on the Full Frame E-mount cameras. And this is really a big news! Stay tuned on SAR as I think A7II pictures will be (hopefully) leaked soon. And here are the A7II and 70-300mm info via Digicameinfo:
A7II specs (translated via google):
– 24.3 million pixels FF sensor
– 5-axis in body stabilization (same as the Olympus E-M1)
– LCD monitor 3.0-inch 1.23 million dot. 107 degrees up, and tilt 41 degrees below
– EVF 0.5-inch 2.36 million dot
– ISO100-25600 (extended with ISO50). Video ISO200-25600
– The shutter speed is 30 seconds -1/8000 seconds
– 270 sheets at the number of possible shots EVF use. LCD monitor when using 350 sheets
– Continuous shooting 2.5 frames / sec. When speed priority continuous shooting 5 frames / sec.
– Video XAVC S, AVCHD, MP4
– The battery is NP-FW50
– The size of 126.9mm x 95.7mm x 59.7mm
– Weight 599g (including battery and memory)
– Vertical position grip VG-C2EM (sold separately)
– Media Memory Stick PRO Duo / PRO-HG Duo / XC-HG Duo, SD / SDHC / SDXC (UHS-I compatible)
70-300mm F4.5-5.6 G SSM II A-mount specs (translated via google):
– New nano AR coating
– Improved Dynamic tracking AF performance
– Weather proof design
– 16 lenses in 11 groups
– Filter diameter of 62mm
– A minimum focusing distance of 1.2m
– Maximum magnification is 0.25x
– Total length 135.5mm
– Maximum diameter 82.5mm
– Weight 750g
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So? The A7II is like a OM-D E-M1 with a Full frame Sensor?, every time i think about this i fall in love much more.
But you will (apparently) not get a touch screen that allows the quick selection of focus points.
But you will get a much better sensor and higher resolving lenses than any that Oly has to offer…
Great news, no touch screen.
I opted to use my E-M5 with touch screen disabled, i know many people like it but is not a killer option for me.
So the A7 II is a heavier and thicker A7 with IBIS added? This actually makes me feel good about my existing A7 that it won’t be totally obsoleted.
Whether it (A7) will become obsolete or not the price will drop even further!
Probably yeah, I’m just waiting for a price drop on some of these lenses
in 10 years from now, I think a mecanic 5DmII and prism will have a beter value than a fully electronic a7
10 years from now, Canon will not make any copier, collect them now before it is too late. 🙂
10 years from now neither will have much value. Lenses are what retain much more value
If a 5DmII is worth anything in 10 years, Canon will be out of business. If Moore’s law holds true, cameras will have 32 times the processing they currently have. That will enable a host of features not yet dreamed of. Add to that the efficiency, and battery improvements of those years, a 5DmII will seem about has handy as a large format camera.
I hope, the line of bodies without IBIS will be continued as well as 100g more weight and larger body is not the price I’d like to pay for IBIS.
No updating bodies without big battery and full articulated LCD.
No updating lenses without SSM for 85/1.4ZA and 135/1.8ZA.
Thanks but no thanks Sony.
Surely the IBIS (SSS) won’t work without smart adapters or at least chipped adapters.
It works in the Olympus cam!
Can work if camera allows you to specify focal length. That’s all that’s necessary. And anyway 3rd parties will produce chips and smart adapters if this camera proves popular. There’re already chips for lenses adapted to A-mount to enable OSS.
IBIS works with all lenses
In Olympus perhaps. Not in Sony.
Please tell us which A-mount lenses don’t work with IBIS, every one I have does.
No it doesn’t.
it works with all lenses on my A900…
No internal 4K I guess ?
no
What about internal 4K on A9?
that I dont know yet. But I suspect the answer is YES 🙂
So, they will use a 12 MP Sensor? Otherwise they would have to crop or am I wrong with that assumption?
Look to the Samsung NX1
Perplexing. I’m not going to sell my R for this, to sell this for the a9(or whatever its name will be), in a couple months.
Perplexing to hear you predict future behavior. Get back to us in a couple of months.
not too much risk in that prediction…
It makes no sense to buy this for a few months. If you work daily with the R now, you wait for a true upgrade… This looks to be a straight up bug fix for the 7.
Oh I’m not going to sell my R just yet, need it for the holidays, but I won’t have trouble selling it when the A9 comes out if it suits me, especially if it does 4k video internally.
I’m with you on all counts. I just wish they would release it sooner.
Well, we don’t know what the A9 is going to cost. If the A7II is going to be in line with the A7, and the “pro” A9 is $4000 or something, then the A7II has an obvious spot in the lineup there.
I dunno. Basically after a year with the system that price sounds like too much of a dicey bet. Not trying to sound unreasonable. We’ll see what’s it’s got. Performance/IQ >
Ps: and just an aside; really hoping for a 7s style shutter button. love that quickness.
Whoops, I was just tinkering to upgrade to the A7s, but let’s take a look at the A7II first! Impressive that they could fit it in that body. Not only that, the fact that they actually did it shows their commitment to the hybrid shooter.
I can’t wait to see the A9!
What about the lossy RAW files? Has Sony addressed it in the A7II? What about the plasticy lens mount causing wobbling? I really wanted to get the A7 but the aforementioned issues persuaded me to get a reliable DSLR like the D750 though I like shooting with mirrorless cameras better. Again, I have to wait and see what Sony will bring on the table.
If this is true why would Sony have been releasing stabalized lenses? It makes no sense to design stabalized lenses for a camera system that will have inbody stabalization.
Isn’t A7 popular with old manual lenses’ shooters? There is no FF camera with stabilized sensor that is compatible with almost every lens on Earth ))
If you can input the focal length of any manual focus lens you mount on it, IBIS then starts to make sense. 😉
How about so you can use the very wide range of A-Mount lenses right now. Maybe they will bring an even better adapter that has fast Hybred Autofocus built in as well. Need a stabelized 500mm on your mirrorless camera? Here it comes. Hope it works as well as the Olympus system.
My 85mm f/1.4 A mount isn’t stabilized. My 55mm 1/.8 FE isn’t stabilized, none of the legacy glass I own is stabilized. Stabilization is also great for video. Those are a few of the reasons that I would like IBIS, so if Sony is interested in selling me a new camera body and can do it, those are probably some of the same reasons they have.
Didnt the A7 just come out a year ago? Its going to be tough to sell updates to $2000 camera’s every year.
I don’t think so. I love Sony for pushing the envelope and they need to be aggressive and push every major improvement to the market ASAP in order to gain popularity.
However, it makes it hard to be a loyal customer when support and innovation for the camera you bought and hoped to use for 5 years disappears. No new APS-C emount lenses, no accessories for NEX cameras, nothing. Wouldn’t it be nice to buy a camera and have support and lenses and grips and updated versions of lenses? Think we’ll ever see an updated 16mm APS-C emount? Neither do I.
I’m pretty confident you can still use your A7 with all lenses in 5 years time. There are plenty of lenses and accessories for APS-C E-mount cameras and I’m sure more will follow. Sony just puts most effort now in improving the FE lens lineup which is way more deficient.
I don’t see why you want an update for the 16mm. It is what it is, and there are plenty of E-mount lenses of high quality around 16mm.
Let’s give Sony a break… Uh, no, finish the FE lineup quickly!
I wasn’t talking A7, rather APS-C cameras. After the A9 debuts, the A7 will become the prosumer line, and the APS-C mounts will wither on the vine. Why do I want an update to the 16mm? Because the pancake design is nice, the focal length is nice, but it could be a better lens. Major camera manufacturers update their lenses – why can’t Sony? Because they’re busy making FE lenses?
I’m not sure what you mean by “plenty of lenses and accessories for APS-C mount” – have you tried to find, say, an external grip for a Nex7, even aftermarket? (There is one of terrible quality that you have to buy direct from Hong Kong.) How about a quality macro lens of a usable focal length (30mm doesn’t really do it.) And what signs do you have that there will be more lenses? Any lens roadmap for APS-C emount lenses? I’d love to see one!
There’s a decent 20mm pancake as well, if that suits your needs.
New cars come out every year and are >$20000 normally.
Hopefully the shutter will be quieter. I’d also like to see electronic shutter, but I wonder if the sensor readout is too slow to support that.
Any rumors on autofocus?
Will have it.
Good one
Now this is interesting if true. After developing a line of OSS FE lenses specifically for the new A7 series, Sony updates it’s entry level full frame with in body stabilization.
The only FE lenses that are stabilised currently are the zooms – it will be wonderful to have the primes stabilised too and suddenly that 55mm f1.8 works even better in low light than adapted f1.4s or f1.2s 🙂
Noise between A99 and A7 II ?
Where are “A-mount is dead” people now?
Here. A mount is dead. Though, Sony still will cater a mount a bit as long as there are still these legacy users. But does anyone really see a mount getting any relevant new traction in the market? So I have to corect myself: a mount is not dead it’s slowly dying. Hey, everybody and everything will die sooner or later … a mount sooner …
Here too. A-mount lenses are dead too.
Everybody dies eventually. That’s the nature of things. The A-mount cameras and lenses will go to Heaven and stay there eternally with the A-mount users who didn’t betray them. Amen.
Agreed. And this lens update was supposedly in progress well over a year ago already, before the A7/A6000 explosion really took off. So finally releasing the lens that had been largely developed before they likely decided to make the wholesale switch (to E-mount) doesn’t necessarily mean A-mount is alive and well. I expect probably an A99II release at some point, and then that’ll probably be the end of the road for A-mount. If not, bonus, but I think the smart approach for anyone is to proceed as if A-mount will be going away.
Moaning that it should have been [insert lens here] rather than the 70-300G.
Any Amount news is good news. But a new 85mm would have been great news
in any case we can replace the a-mount bodys with series of bodys a-7 ll and a-9 if of coars they have image stabilization
That’s great Sony, but how about a APSC NEX-7 replacement with tri-navi and PDAF and low light performance on par or better than the a6000. If you can squeeze in 5-axis IBIS that would be great, but I really just want you to take my money for better low light high ISO performance and PDAF
Not gonna happen. The APS-C emount line is doomed. They’ve stopped making lenses for the line, no new ones planned, they’re pouring all their money into the FE mount. They’re already discounting the A6000 and A5000.
Every E-mount camera ever made has been discounted a few months after release.
Perhaps, but that in conjunction with the lack of new lenses spells doom.
Sony’s ‘Miraculous’ 5-way IBIS is the IP they bought from Olympus.
This site is great with rumors but damn the fanboi stuff gets old.
Also IBIS isn’t as good as in-lens stabilization but it does work with everything. For Sony it’s an odd choice because their lenses are so expensive to start with. The money saved on not buying stabilization in the lenses doesn’t make them cheaper in this case.
Hopefully IBIS indicates a serious interest in making lenses for this system smaller. It should also mean simpler lenses improve over time as the algorithms get better.
If the A9 isn’t a video camera pretending to shoot stills I think I’ll get one. The only downside is seeing Nikon produce a better body with the same tech shortly afterwards.
It’s still a tragedy that after all this time there’s still not a set of native 1.4 primes for Sony. what are they thinking? Bodies, bodies bodies… Real lenses are what we need. Not more slow zooms.
Who shoots at 1.4 anyway. Oh wait, I do.
They do:
G 35MM 1.4, Zeiss 50mm 1.4, Zeiss 85mm 1.4 and then the Zeiss 135mm 1.8 (yes, not a 1.4 but close enough)
I dont know how well IBIS works on FF. But the olym / m43 IBIS is definitely better than any canon / nikon on lens IS
The A7 and A7r came out at the same time, please tell me the A7r is also getting upgraded:)
The A7II makes the Zeiss Loxias even more attractive
Shiiiit just got real.
Any word on the AF improvements of the A7II?
Well its about one year after the latest A7 Release. How long does it take for the A7r II or A7s II ? I just wanted to purchase the A7s, but this is just ridiculous…. im so confused.
So what does this mean for the rumored nex7 replacement? Been holding off on getting an a6000 in hopes of an a7000
No new AF? What a pity… I would take the old A7 with fast AF any day over IBIS…
Damn, I wish I was home. Goodbye Olympus….it was nice, really nice. However, deep at heart I’m a Sony guy. Olympus stuff goes up for sale tonight. Ebay….get ready.
Based on a rumor?
Cool, the price of the 70-300G will fall down.
Lucky I just sold mine then.
Indeed.
Odd time to have made these announcements (three weeks ago made a lot more sense). I suppose it’s now (pre-Thanksgiving day / holiday shopping season) or not this year.
I agree, why would they announce the new Camera now, unless its going to arrive in the next week or so.
The 70-300mm II is a different story, since I doubt it is high on many shopping lists.
Why not? Amazon is selling the A7rs with grips for $1500, that could indicate something new is coming _really_ soon.
Agreed, do Japanese go crazy after Thanksgiving like Americans do? Or do they just do cyber Monday?
The Japanese don’t celebrate Thanksgiving. Although, not sure why….
That is kind of sad, then again I don’t think they are majority Christian like America.
Uhh, Thanksgiving has nothing to do with Christianity.
I am more talking origins, kind of like Christmas is all about Santa now, Thanksgiving is all about Turkey now.
Thanksgiving was always about turkey. And food. And killing native americans. And taking their land. Driving them from their homes. Putting them in concentration camps. Also known as reservations. And re-educating them. And converting them to Christianity. So yes, Thanksgiving IS about Jesus!
Considering the release schedule (heavy September to November) by Japanese game & electronics companies, it would seem there is synergy.
This approach to camera roll out reminds me of seasonal toy production. Sony–pause and create a best in class–Classic. Better yet two: A Mount, FE Mount. Would need to see some blazing speed from both AF and the Processor, 4k video and zero sensor refraction in this newbie before I would take my EM-1 off street duty. I am holding onto the resolution of my a7r and Pro a99.
I hope you guys do know that this new camera *will* have a hump or be seriously taller than its predecessors mainly becaues of the 5-axis electronics.
Just look at the ones Oly has released and thats where much of the stuff is placed.
Yeah, right, just like the 5-axis stabilized PEN E-P5.
NOOOOOOOOO I being waiting a year for the hump-less.
it’ll be thicker for sure. taller maybe. thicker would actually be good for me. beefier grip.
So will there also be an A7s II and A7r II?
Who wants to bet that the 70-300 is E-mount? Saw a recent Sony interview where they mentioned a demand for longer lenses for E-mount.
Plus…. IF IF IF E-mount is really getting IBIS and fast autofocus, what’s the advantage of A-mount? Putting IBIS into e-mount would be the final death of A-mount.
So if any of these rumors are true — then I expect A-mount 70-300 OR this new A7ii with IBIS. But I doubt they are both true.
Time to cut ties with A mount. You can’t have two mounts competing. You can’t have A mount compromising E mount development, confusing customers, etc. I only have A mount glass, but I personally don’t care. Just make the freaking switch already and get it over with. Better now than 5 years later.
The fact is since the A mount is a much older system than E mount there will be a lot more users around. Till the time A mount sales are viable the A mount will stay in development.
I admit I am a bit surprised that they are launching a new lens for A mount. Expected only new cameras in future but hey I am not complaining.
One day A mount will die but if Sony pulls the plug right now people might start getting worried if they will pull the plug on E mount also. Already non FE mount customers are getting upset that the only lenses released are very expensive FE Zeiss lenses.
Given the attention and marketing going towards the E-mount, I expect the number of E-mount users to surpass the number of A-mount users very quickly.
When DVDs first became popular, a lot of people said that VCRs would stick around for a long time, since so many people already owned so many VHS tapes. But once DVDs picked up some momentum, VCRs disappeared pretty quickly.
As to customers upset that the only lenses are expensive Zeiss lenses — That’s how Sony treated A-mount full frame users forever. Sony has 22 full frame A-mount lenses (Emount should catch up by next year). Only 2 of the lenses are under $500, and only 8 are under $1,000.
Their strategy is to attract high level users, with fairly cheap bodies, but then make a ton of money on the premium lenses. Especially since the 3rd party makers aren’t really doing cheap E-mount versions of lenses yet.
You’re always upset about something, could it be you’re just a troll?
The one main issue with your comment is that none of us have any real facts or figures on the total sales of mirrorless and A mount cameras.
We can assume E mount is doing well but the fact is none of us have any real clue. Another aspect to consider is the profitability of each camera vs total sales.
Also cameras are just one aspect. What are the number of people buying Sony lenses and accessories ?
E mount users have a vast arsenal of adapted lenses to choose from. Whether they buy E mount lenses or accessories in good volumes remains to be seen.
The new 70-300 will be Alpha mount 😉
It’ll be A-mount for the simple reason it is rumored to be an update of the existing 70-300G SSM. As you know SSM tech isn’t used in E-mount lenses.
In addition, currently the A-mount cameras have superior ergonomics, better balance with teles, AF capabilities, build quality and battery life.
If those things are fixed, and all A-mount lenses have equivalents in E-mount, then A-mount would be redundant. But this will take many, many years, IF Sony will go this way AT ALL.
Hopefully you are correct and it is an A-mount lens, which would be one of the few positive signs in terms of an A-mount future.
As to the supposed advantages of A-mount — You are preaching to the choir with me. I don’t disagree personally. But at the same time, the differences are small to justify Sony maintaining two competing mounts:
Superior ergonomics — Entirely subjective. Depends on the size of your hands, depends on the size of the lenses you plan to use, and what weight you prefer in your hand.
Better balance with telephotos? Eh. A 150-600 telephoto isn’t “well balanced” on any camera body. And a 35mm prime is equally well balanced on any camera body. So it’s really a rather tiny issue, only affecting a small segment of lens choices.
Build quality — There is nothing magical about A-mount build quality. The A9 is likely to have a very solid build quality, superior to the A58. There is no rule that E-mount can’t have solid build quality.
Battery life — okay.. so by that logic, Sony should still be making OVF dSLRs…. Clearly they think customers are willing to trade off on battery life.
While I personally prefer a full-sized dSLR to a mirrorless body, I just don’t see the differences as big enough to warrant Sony investing heavily in the niche. The A-mount market is small in the grand scheme of things… it isn’t growing. The E-mount market is growing and has the potential to grow more. A new comer who wants a full sized dSLR is more likely to choose CaNikon over Sony (better battery life, more lenses, etc). So Sony may make the business decision to focus on the area where they are strongest — mirrorless.
sony is releasing camera bodys way too fast
What is the acceptable rate to release camera bodies? And why does it matter?
By my count in the last 2.5 years Nikon have released 8 full frame DSLRs!
With a full stable of lenses too! Nikon knows how to support a camera system – lots of lenses to choose from, a full line of good bodies. Sony? So many bodies, so few lenses.
The problem is not enough lenses, not too many bodies. If Sony have a maxed out their lens design/manufacturing capabilities then stopping body development wont help that.
If only Nikon could design a modern sensor, IBIS and EVF, they would have it all.
No, then they would be Sony. 🙂
Having used both, I find an EVF more trouble than it’s worth, but that’s a personal preference. It was a relief to go back to good old OVF. And why bother with the sensor? They use Sony’s, and that’s what Sony should stick to – producing high quality sensors to put in cohesive camera systems, like Nikon or Canon, rather than try and dabble in camera manufacturing.
You haven’t used either one, your smart phone only has a display screen which is probably just right for your shooting needs.
Ohhhh, snap!
They’re to busy trying to get out a decent 50mm to bother with sensors.
The Pro of E-mount : Lots of adapters to use every manufacturers lenses ;)….
U want to use Nikon or Canon lenses? With an couple of good efficient adapters like the ones from Metabones or LA-EA4, u can have all the lenses u want ;)… Ok it has a cost but for FF owner it may be usual to spend a bit more to get quality 😉
That there are lots of adapters (no lens info, no autofocus, no OSS, no software correction) has little to do with Sony’s plans for the APS-C – only that the mirrorless craze has created a market for adapters for most mirrorless cameras, not just Sony. But yes, that is a Pro for mirrorless cameras of all brands.
The trick is not to buy them full price on release day. Shhhhh
While the competition just keeps re-releasing the same tired product with minor updates.
Well, my bank account agrees, but it’s a first world problem here. They’re releasing compelling camera bodies way too fast.
I don’t believe in this rumor even if Admin seems very confident! IBIS is not very logical in FE line cameras? Can it be on sensor electronic IBIS?
Sony has been very logical in building FE/A7 but this rumor is way out 🙂 Fun rumors anyway.
The rumor is from Digicameinfo which usually is spot on. I also got in touch with him directly and he confirmed the source is of “high quality”
But why then you have no source directly. SR5 for pro camera, but the shortly to be released camera have heard nothing about. Why no other source can confirm this even now?
I don’t believe in unicorns either but that doesn’t stop them from existing.
And also there’s nothing illogical about IBIS for FE lenses. None of the primes are stabilized.
I think half these people are brain dead.
No, I think you do believe in unicorns and FYI, they do exist.
A few observations:
I’m not entirely sure why I’d want a stabilised body to go with my stabilised lenses, so I think I’d pass…if the AF speed and accuracy is no different, I’d definitely pass…
…and with regard to the pitch and roll stabilising, how does that affect corner sharpness?
Surely, if you move the sensor in or out, this would make things wrong in terms of critical focus. I think I’ll stick with good technique and a tripod.
So, no sales here just yet!
I shoot only manual and would love IBIS for street photography with the Loxias and (assuming the availability of smart adapters or the option to specify focal length in camera) Leica M lenses, and also with A-mount teles.
I don’t know that 5-axis IBIS makes corners unsharp. I should think the traditional planar (2-axis) IBIS has that problem but that rotational correction should solve it. Anyway, IBIS is implemented properly may not *correct* camera shake, but it shouldn’t introduce extra blur shold it?
Yep. Even knowing the A9 is coming it would be hard to pass the A7-2 and the IBIS is the reason. My MF Zeiss lenses will be soooooo happy to see this update 🙂
I’d have thought that street shooting was an area where stabilising was less useful, as the people are constantly moving. Although admittedly good for atmospheric night urban landscapes, I wouldn’t really class that as street photography.
Of course, I can’t know how you shoot, or if you’d find it useful, so I’m happy to accept your point.
As to the 5 axis correction, if the problem is pitch, for example, as top of the camera pitches forward the top of the sensor must move back (to retain its relative position). Surely it would then move away from the focal plane? I presume the creators have thought of that, but I am curious.
it doesn’t move front to back afaik. it all happens in the focal plane.
WHY? Believe it or not some of us sunk too much dough into over priced Leica lenses. And would love a range finder style body without the red sticker.
I think you may be right. Optical stabilisation sounds safe but this… Plus, it comes from a once great company that has become the joke of the photo world. New gadgets… Pass.
Since not all lenses are stabilised, it’s obvious why Sony would want to incorporate this feature. Another nonsensical statement by Peter to complement all the rest he makes on a daily basis.
Talking of nonsense, you seem to be blissfully unaware that most of the profit for camera manufacturers come from sales of lenses. So, who makes ‘all these lenses’?
Plus, as can be seen by many heated arguments, the absolute need for stabilisation is not so clear cut (yes, it does help, but not if your subject moves!).
Plus, my statement was a personal one, so you can do whatever you want, although I suspect there will be more than a few that agree with my choice.
Plus, do you make a profession of being so intellectually superior, because the truth is clearly the opposite?
I dont think Pee pee knows what he is talking about. Your original point is good Peter, that said they may have released stabalized lenses to sell with cameras that have a cheaper price point and no stabalizaiton.
One thing I would wonder at though is whether your comment about manufacturers making their money off lenses not camerras is true. Sony is the leading sensor manufacturer in the world. To sell those sensors they need to either sell to other manufcaturers or sell in bodies. So unlike cnikon I think Sony is different in this this regard. Maybe canikon needs to sell glass but considering Sony farms a lot of their glass (thus profit) out to Zeiss and they dont have to build chunky mechanically complex bodies or lose money to purchase a sensor I think they may have a distinct competative advantage in producing bodies.
Hi Olympus remember that money Iet you borrow? Yeaaaah… let me just take that (IBIS)…keep up the good work. Oh, gonna need that tps report by monday.
It’s likely Sony’s version of multi-axis stabilization will be much different and a completely new and better design. Remember, were not dealing with a postage stamp sized sensor here. No comparison.
With battery life becoming more of a problem in this next iteration of bodies, I’d like to see Sony become bolder, by taking away some (not all) of the A7’s customisable elements, in regard to dials and see them using a more pre shot manual body build/layout, akin to the Fuji XT1.
Some will argue that they want to rattle a shot off quickly, but with such slow continuous autofocus speeds and by offering an experience something that is currently related to a digital hybrid rangefinder, people tend to approach these cameras for a slower, more classical photographic response…
At least whilst on sensor PDAF is still in the early stages of development in regard to full frame output, a little bit of assertive labelling on the body, indicating shutter speed, iso etc… Well… a photographers skill level could well extend current battery performance, beyond the average casual user.
I love the EVF, but I’d prefer to just rely on it for mainly framing and composition. There;s nothing wrong with fine tuning, fixing your eye to the EVF, but if you are street shooting in a location where the light and activity of your canvas is continually changing and you look too obvious when manipulating your controls using the LCD, I still feel that Sony are offering a great tool, that works beautifully for landscapes and staged portraits, but fails on the opportunistic realities of every day travel or journalistic photography, where discretion can yield amazing results.
In regards to the A9… If they can really push the AF, aperture and iso digital response speed into a new sphere, then lead on Sony and take my money. Will we get a 16mp A7 II or A9s with A6000 AF and IBIS? That would be amazing.
Watch they announce an a-mount FF instead of an e-mount lol everyone will probably be shocked
I’d be happy, if that means the 70-300 is E-mount 😀
a7ii EU prices? i want to surprise myself for Christmas with a7ii just like 4-5 years ago i surprise myself with a nex 7 camera 🙂
EU availability ?
Nex 7 was originally due for October 2011 before being postponed to march 2012 because of the flood in Thailand.
The Nex 7 is just 2,5 years old as the alpha7 just celebrate is 1 year anniversary unlike many who believes it’s a 2 years old system.
yep. you’re almost right. my nex 7 will have a 3th “birthday” in the end of December 2014.
it’s so new to be replaced !
ok, then i’ll get a7ii to sit at home and the nex 7 will be in the car …
No a6000 style AF for this A7II (sar_admin)?
Recently we’ve heard about several good new things
Ibis on E mount,
High res pro level ff E mount camera
Full color sensor wth electronic moving filter
And not too long ago…z-shift
I wonder how much of this stuff will be on the same camera in Jan/Feb ?
(SR5) 70-300 G will be E-mount and have OSS.
I like how SAR was trying to tease and trickle out the snippets of info they were obviously trying to let out slowly, only to get completely scooped by Digicameinfo and then had to spill all the beans…
May I ask when the rumors about the a99 II A-mount will be published?
LOL STOP ALREADY
There will NEVER be another A-mount native camera produced by Sony.
Just keeping thinking that genius while the rest of the Alpha community pre-orders the A99II.
But keep spouting off that crap, you’re only serving the A-Mount cause. None of us want to be associated with mirror-less morons like you so we’ll probably stick with A-Mount for a very long time.
Hope you’ll enjoy the 70-300mm G2
If that Ken TAA-WATT is using one then I don’t want one. I rather use a Kodak.
I wouldn’t expect it until May 15.
Same 24Mpx sensor?! Does it mean as well that this new version will remain with that (highly) noisy mecanical shutter?! Beurkkk!!
That assumption would only be made by a complete idiot.
just buy an A7 and try to practice some photography (not just pretending) and you will find yourself so much stupid about this comment!! I forgive your ignorance ###sucks!
I bet that soon there will be more A7 boldies available than dedicated lenses ! Or are they going to work on a close focus adapter for other lens mounts ?! :-]
I bet you will be just as stupid as you are now no matter how many bodies are released.
ah ah… nerd! any intelligent comment regarding the uncommon equation between the A7 bodies and the FF emount lens offering? I assume NO! such a frutless feedback!
What equation? 3 bodies and 6 lenses. And that is not counting dedicated lenses from other manufacturers.
Sony has already provided a roadmap. Then lenses are coming, and by next year will match A mount if availability. It’s not a guessing game, it’s old news now. It’s even more old news if you consider A mount adapters.
you are right. my (ironical) point is that i have never seen so many bodies in such a short time when at the same time you have so few dedicated lens lauched. I already use 2 Novoflex adapters with Nikon and Leica mount lenses.
Not a single other mirrorless system has released lenses that fast. Three bodies in a year is hardly anything new. Nikon and Canon sometimes do up to 5 releases in a single year. Six lenses in a year, on the other hand, is something new.
Dude, I wasn’t joking when I said last year the 70-400, 70-200, 70-300, and 35 f/1.4 G-Series were all being upgraded to include SSM II, and weather sealed housings.
I’m stoked for the 35mm f/1.4. The older model just needs to be sharpened up a little, and it’ll easily blow the FE Zeiss model out of the water. It’ll produces better colours.
The SSM II, and weather sealed housing will be a welcomed edition. Maybe we’ll see a return of the 85 mm G (wink wink nudge nudge).
The road map for the A-Mount is out there but it’s not being disseminated to the public. So if you hot and horn-ee for a road map you’ll have to apply for a job at http://www.sony.com.
I’m playing it safe. I only use A mount lenses and FE mount camera right now. Soon to own A77II as well. I love the A7, but it’s slow and steady for me. One foot on each side.
I can’t believe that IBIS will be built into E-Mount. Why stabilized lenses then? And what about the theorie that the hole on E-Mount is too small for efficient stabilization?
However, if this is true I say: Bye bye A99. It was a good time but now I need to enter the future 🙂
A lot of “theories” on this blog turn out to be wrong, in fact most of them.
You just have to look at the E-mount on the 7 series cameras. Do you notice how they had to cut some material to make up space for the sensor to prevent vignetting and even with that, there are some corners sitting “above” the sensor? Now imagine a moving mechanism for the sensor. I’m quite with those corners, you will see some vignetting when the sensor moves.
Your half-baked theory was just proven wrong by this announcement. Move on to the next troll talking point, this one has already been debunked.
This is actually the Achille’s heel of this system. Beside being a Sony consumer product, of course. It’s probably right for you, if you can afford it – perhaps in a few years?
Do you notice how they had to cut some material to make up space for the sensor to prevent vignetting and even with that, there are some corners sitting “above” the sensor? Now imagine a moving mechanism for the sensor. I’m quite with those corners, you will see some vignetting when the sensor moves.
still, the nikon mount is 2mm narrower than the e-mount. How much is the sensor actually moving with IBIS?
Nikon’s sensor is further away from the mount, that helps.
And being 2mm wider also helps.
That’s the problem with Sony’s lenses — so many of the Zeiss lenses don’t have OSS stabilization because Zeiss don’t think it is needed, but I need OSS for low light.
Uhhh, now Sony make sensor wobble, too!
Canon EF-M mount wobble too.
Another half baked loaf of bread for the masses.
Come on Sony when will a real grown up Camera hit the market?
Another half baked comment from the dregs of society, envy is a powerful emotion. Causes stupid people to say stupid things.
And blind fanboy are another category in this world of lemmings
Sony not hit market, but HULK hit Sony
HULK mad, Canikon keep falling further and further behind. Must stop, HULK smash all old cameras want new.
HULK heartily greet twin. HULK smash Nikon, too. Canon not worthy SMASH!, too sad…
HULK want join HULK on HULK love triangle. HULK big but have puny …
HULK, u is gay!
I love my sonyA7 because it is fun! I used to dread schlepping around my dslr and heavy glass. Now I take my A7 with me all the time. Image quality is awesome. In my opinion any update is welcome. I make my living with photography and my A7 inspires me. If I want to go really small I just put an old MF lens on it and no ordinary people think anything of it. Anything that makes it fun to get out and take pictures is a winner in my book, no matter what the brand is. Sony just gives me that with very little compromise for my shooting. New cameras and new glass are great and welcomed. It’s an exciting time for digital photography.
The problem is, too many people have the money to buy these things and too few take the time to actually learn them. If you had “heavy glass” and a DSLR, you are one of those.
You must have a website or online portfolio? I’d love to see your work with the A7.
russbrownphotography.com
Beautiful photos, I’m impressed. You can tell when a photographer loves what he’s doing.
Great portfolio. Are most or all the images taken with the A7?
Not all, I’d say 30%. I used to shoot nikon, and still do on occasion. But it seems I leave my D800 home a lot these days. I honestly can tell little difference with the final image. Wide I’ve been using an old nikon 20mm f4 mf. I use also use an old Nikon MF 50 1.4 for a normal lens. Focus peaking rocks!
One issue with the Olympus in-body image stabilization is that it is no longer recommended that the user clear their own sensor. That’s a bit of a downside for us that have already invested in sensor cleaning kits to avoid the expense of a professional cleaning. I’m not sure this will apply to the A7 but it will be interesting to find out.
The good side is that, if it functions well, it’s great to have image stabilization for all your lenses but putting it in the body. For many (perhaps most) that will make this a net positive change.
All the crybabies:
There will NEVER be another A-mount native camera produced by Sony.
JUST STOP COMPLAINING ALREADY! IF YOU STILL HAVE HOPES FOR A-MOUNT, THATS YOUR OWN DELUSION.
You’ve had plenty of warning!!!
At least one voice of reason among a sea of complainers with their heads in the sand!
There’s no any big deal with the A-mount system regardless, can’t understand all the complaints.
Yeah, only 5 or 6 people even use A-mount cameras these days.
That seems to be an overly large group…
Psychologically disturbed trolls. No one listens to them, and most of them are the laughing stock of The Alpha Community.
I bleive there will be an a99II and that will be the end of it. If this is true though, IBIS with FF e-mount, I’m sure they will give us a hybrid later on.
Do you know how much money it takes to launch each product? Why would Sony have released a new 70-200 F2.8 G II SSM and A77MII, and now a new 70-300 F4.5-5.6 G II SSM if they are no longer developing A-Mount? That just doesn’t make any sense. Also, please remember, the bigger the aperture, the bigger the lens, so a lot of sports jobs are still better suited for Sony’s bigger SLT A-Mount cameras to better balance out with a long lens. I suspect A-Mount bodies will continue for sometime, but be an pricier pro niche market, and I expect the next flag ship to be a higher class level than A99 or even A900 before it, with a price to match.
Regarding their current emphasis on E-mount — it makes total sense considering the worldwide decline of SLR sales and their lead in this market.
Andrea, any info on whether the A9 will also have access to IBIS ?
No, but, Ibis birds will have access to the A9.
Does this mean Egyptian Gods are watching over the design of this camera ? Awesome 😉
Unfortunately I believe that the A9 will look like a DSLR…
Remember this rumour a month ago: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-some-more-detailed-a-and-e-mount-rumor-by-an-anonymous-source/
Point 7) IBIS on E-mount is possible but not as good as on A-mount.
If this one is true, time to stop trusting that source, as I don’t think that they made a breakthrough in IBIS and are ready to release a body with it within a month 🙂
The A9 should look like this:
….like this
I hope they improve the handling from the first generation A7, not make it worse. Camera companies made metal rectangles because that’s pretty much all they could manufacture in a cost effective way. Luckily now we have more advanced processes and ergonomics. Go buy an RX1. This style only works with tiny primes for an interchangeable camera. Anything else becomes ridiculous after about ten minutes. Designing it this way would be a mistake in every way.
Game over DSLR…….
What are you even talking about? Sony dropped making that crap years ago. They make the cameras like the A77II (which aren’t DSLRs) that make all APS-C mirror-less, and DSLRs irrelevant.
But you probably don’t know that. You sound like either a Canon/Nikon convert or a absolute moron.
He’s probably one of those psychos that masturbates his ego by taking pot shots at Maxxum/Alpha users.
GAV #1 SAR TROLL-FESSIONAL
I was reading another article on AlphaBlog and nearly fell over laughing when he made fun of the SAR readership. It’s a new site, and a little rough, but a worthwhile read.
http://sonyalphablog.com/2014/11/the-a77ii-remains-the-most-advanced-aps-c-dslr/
“Game over Canon/Nikon/Pentax DSLR”, probably
What….you’re not making any sense…try in English…are you suggesting that the future is SLT??? I am a sure by the layer of dust on the A99 and A77ll in your local camera store you realise that is not the case….or is it easier to call others morons to make you forget….I do find it interesting in your rant seemed to completely miss the point…
We all hate the thumbstick! Can we have it simple like the A7 rotating wheel menu instead of the annoying thumbstick form the a99?
-24mp
-5axis
-LAEA5 adapter with wider AF screen. wider than A77ii PLEASE!
-better battery life!
-body grip like the a3500
-wireless radio flash w/ TTL ADI HSS like the Mitros +
-menu system and layout like the a99 except for the thumbstick
-removable eyecup? we need rounder eyecup for portrait mode
-dual card slots
-swivel LCD like the A99
-NO TOUCH SCREEN!
-weather sealing
-BIG BAD ORANGE RING MOUNT!
-BIG BAD ORANGE NECK STRAP with BIG BAD ALPHA LOGO
-a formal sorry letter to Canikons!
Dont say thumbstick. That’s obscene.
Say for yourself.
I hate the orange ring mount.
Please Sony, keep using NP-FW50 for A9 as well. It’ll be painful to buy another set of batteries + chargers like Nikon is forcing us to if you want to use mid-end + high-end cameras at the same time.
This. Would be nice to have 3 batteries (1 in body 2 in grip) like A99. Not that I’ve ever had issues with battery life on big shoots.
Hopefully they will ditch the cover glass of the current A7 which produces bad reflections with bright light sources – the main reason I got the A7R instead. May be time to sell the A7R and get the A7II if it has fixed this problem. IBIS will be excellent with my legacy glass. As far as battery life goes, I’ll just have to have several on hand.
It is inevitable with OSPDAF
OSPDAF MARSAP HOOLAHOOP WANGDIDDLE
He’s a SAR #2 TROLL-FESSIONAL, all BS no substance. My A7 is better than you A77II, cause my mommy said so.
Same thing your mama told my ====D
I very doubt they will teach shaky sensor to work with legacy glass.
The a-mount image stabilization works fine with legacy and third party glass, why would this be any different?
Is there any special trick to stabilize the legacy glass vs the modern glass?
No, it’s stabilizing the sensor, not the glass.
Focal length
As long as the camera can read the lens rom table and interpret the focal length it works fine. Every AF legacy and third party lens I’ve tried on my a-mount camera works with the in body image stabilization. It’s likely results will be very similar with the EF mount. Weak argument LOL.
> As long as the camera
Absolute majority of legacy lenses used on E-mount cameras are not native, so no way to read their focal lengths.
Get some E-mount practice first, you A-mount zealot, than return back to listen further, OK?
BTW, you cannot use shaky sensor with non native lenses on A-mount bodies if you didn’t know.
Your totally wrong and talking out of your A$$ and you know it troll.
What experience do you have using IBIS on the E-Mount. None, it’s not out yet jack a&&.
I was a pentaxian and couldn’t be happier when switched from Pentax K-5 to NEX-5n with its fixed sensor. Any shaky sensor technology have a weak point, where it spoiles IQ, it is about 1/100 for olympus ibis.
I bet Sony will implement a similar system already in Olympus cameras. Namely, on lenses that don’t talk to the camera (ie: legacy glass), there is an option to manually punch in the focal length of the lens to allow the IBIS to work properly. Worked wonders with my EM-10 and my old 50mm f2 Minolta lens.
You can use “shaky sensor” on A-mount for non native lenses with the right setup.
You need to be able to tell the camera what focal length you are using. On A-Mounts lenses had to be chipped to enable IBIS.
I see. I use the Metabones adapter with Canon lenses, it communicates nicely with the camera, so shouldn’t be a problem I hope. On the A7r I’m having hard times to shoot steady my 135mm lens slower than 1/320s (theoretically 1/160s should be fast enough). The bigger and heavier 85mm works just fine at 1/100s… Paradox! Hopefully the new IBIS will be a game changer for me. Hurrah!!! 🙂
IBIS won’t help with that, ask Olympus users about shutter shock, but this A7 should at least have EFCS so shouldn’t be so much of an issue (and isn’t with the current A7).
As far as I remember the shutter shock is pretty bad between 1/60s to 1/160s, and only while shooting from a tripod. As I said I can shoot my 85mm 1/100s hand held without any motion blur. The shutter shock is not as dangerous as bad technique, that’s especially noticeable on a high resolution sensor. Apparently my technique sucks so the only hope is the ibis.
Yes but IBIS doesn’t ‘help’ shutter shock is my point. Handheld shake yes for sure and yes it can just be from bad technique which shows up more easily with high resolution sensors.
This has since been fixed with the electronic first curtain 0sec option on Oly cams (sans the EM-5). And yes… Oly IBIS is that good and makes shooting longer telephoto shots handheld MUCH easier. I find it better than Panasonic’s lens stabilization.
Yes, but point is IBIS is not a fix for shutter shock, EFCS is.
For primes, you could enter it manually in menu
A tripod is what I use.
I very doubt you get how IBIS works.
Better than you ever do.
Sony is well known for crippling for the reason of their greed.
Yet the A7 series are the only FF Sony’s that allow you to choose between FF and crop when using crop lenses. So it is entirely possible that they will make IBIS available for all lenses. They at least ‘seem’ to be opening things up and actively promote lens adaption.
Rubbish. Lens adapting is well supported on all of Sony’s latest cameras, and actively so.
Sorry I can’t hear you, my A77II is too loud taking pictures 4x faster. Little men and little glass.
A mount is dead. You love A-mount. You are a necrophile!
Any thoughts/rumors about whether the A9 will have 4k video with recording in camera? The A7s was tempting, but having to record 4k on a separate device was a deal killer for me.
I have the a7s and it is frustrating not to be using the 4k video. ISO is amazing but there is no way im spending $1999 just to record video. In body IS for this camera does sound rather cool, but like many – wanting better AF. Currently all A7 cameras are unable to work with an external AF lamp. Thats the biggest kicker for me.
OK so A7M2 is about to be announced, with IBIS and a new-ish sensor. Any chance this rumored A9 could be A-mount? Sony’s dropping a new A-mount lens (I know, big deal, a retread with coatings, but it’s something), and that could mean the mount isn’t dead yet.
It’s not a new lens. It requires very little new design, tooling, or expense.
It’s just milking A-mount out. It doesnt speak anything to the future of A-mount.
Yeah you’re probably right. DAMN YOU SONY!
Canon, and Nikon has been doing the same thing forever.
Who says? Yes this is true for the 70-200mm and 70-400mm but the 70-300mm ‘was’ a Tamron rebadged with a few upgrades. This could be Sony designed and developed, it does say it is weather sealed which is different (who knows if true or not).
Yeah baby yeah!!!
Bring on the new G-Series, cause papa needs something faster than the original model.
This is already the best 70-300 you can buy. Now they’re dropping this bad boy. Nice.
I’m excited for sure. Its definitely going to be used on my A77II, and A99II (when it launches)
Hopefully the 35mm is next, it’s already a hot lens, great flesh tones. Makes hot models look spectacular, especially up close and personal.
I’m a bit skeptical of the A7II rumor because of the ibis as Sony said in a recent interview they haven’t worked with Olympus. But digicame-info is rarely wrong.
The ibis makes it sound really fake. The reason why it works for Olympus is because it is m34 something 4x bigger wille not be as easy to stabilise. Not to mention getting the heat out of the sensor. Already a problem for those small sensors (why Panasonic didn’t put it in the gh4)
I think most of the heat is processing the image and storage. Smaller nm processors that are faster and use less power can likely alleviate most of that problem. I think you’ll see the next EM-5 will have 4k video and IBIS. If that is the case as the rumors go, I bet Sony can use the IBIS just fine on their FF sensor.
A-mount is dead. All A mount lovers = necrophiles.
Well，the picture was created just by me via PS about 2 years ago.It’s very interesting to find this picture on new SAR.OK，it‘s my pleasure
Doesn’t really change anything.
Increases compatibility with A-Mount lenses, but I still can’t picture myself wishing to buy a new FF system and ending up with new A-Mount lenses and a new E-Mount body and an adapter
If this were A-Mount news, there would have been over 500 posts hours ago.
Wake me when the a99II arrives with refreshed 85/1.4ZA and 135/1.8ZA SSM upgrades.
Wow. 2.5 fps? Are they kidding me? If you can’t handle 5-8 fps while active focusing don’t even waste our time.
Now they will probably release a big FE body with IBIS and LA-EA5 with A77-II AF and quit making A-Mount bodies alltogether.
Fingers crossed!
We can only hope. With IBIS and fast autofocus on the E-mount bodies, we can finally let the A-mount die.
A-mount users can transition comfortably to E-mount bodies with an adapter, and we can let technological progress happen with less distractions.
Transition comfortably? With the worst ergonomics in history presented by E-Mount and teensy batteries? Are you flipping kidding me?
FYI… Pros and seasoned enthusiasts HATE adapters, and the wobbly connection problems they present. We HATE vertical grips that force user to remove finger from shutter just to change ANY control… AND have protruding shutter buttons that fire from the palm in horizontal orientation. Have to turn the dang thing off just to use in horizontal mode.
ALL pro systems were designed from the ground up to be pro grade, then follow with enthusiast models. Sony did the opposite, designing originally for enthusiasts, and now trying to force the system into pro territory. NOT brilliant, and MILES away from original design philosophy at the expense of genuine Alpha.
The E-Mount system is fine for what it is. But it isn’t what it isn’t, and never will be without major compromise.
Why exactly not?
An A99-sized FE body with A6000-type AF (but much better!), big battery, IBIS and f/2.8 FE zooms.
The only question is, whether they’ll be able to produce this pro-grade mirrorless AF.
A tiny four screw lens mount will never be as stable as an extra thick large six screw lens mount, even more than CaNikon use.
Sure you can bedazzle a Yugo and make it nice. But it will never have Benzo refinement earned over history.
Pros don’t want fly-wire focus without distance scales or end stops. Toys are fun, but not pro grade.
With lighter FE bodies you want to hold your camera by the lens anyway.
And this is not cuisine, history means nothing in technology.
More to using a camera than technology. Ergonomics, connections, stability are far more important than latest tech. Ask any photographer.
E-Mount is flashy and tech savvy alright. Refinement… not so much.
Seriously, one would think Sony (with no history of pro stills design) would be willing to take a cue from the Mind of Minolta, who has refined the 9 series for three decades through four models. Sony abandons that to fix a wheel that wasn’t broken.
So now we get one button that forces choice between AF/MF and AEL… but not both. They use a hard switch to decide. Yet we loose the hard switch for SSS on/off. What kind of cockamamie design choice is that?
We get a vertical battery grip that forces user to remove finger from shutter button in order to change any setting. Sure can’t reach the control dial with it. And the side mount shutter button fires with the palm of my hand by accident, because it’s right on the end. Who designs such a trashy configuration? Just lousy.
Magnified playback ALWAYS goes to center. But older Alphas magnified playback at the selected AF point. Who’s bright idea was it to make editing harder in the field?
Don’t get me started on the flash. Just an insult to all photographers who know. So many things wrong with E-Mount… the first being that it’s abandoning original design philosophy. Mistake. Playing pro by accident. Won’t last for long.
Very true. Toys will be toys. I tried A7 and A7R, I put them down in awe.
Sigh, we arrived at the pros again.
“pro systems were designed from the ground up to be pro grade”
Well put, whatever it means.
The press release of Sony about the new Sony A7 II
http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/201411/14-1120/
It is yet unclear though if Sony will be indeed able to somehow replace DSLR with mirrorless.
With A-Mount moved to adapters, nobody will buy it new, it only helps those who already have tha glass.
So, FE would have to somehow present a full-featured alternative to DSLR.
I have only just had a courier drop off a free laea4 from Sony. With this rumor I was wondering if I should have waited in redeeming my adapter for a better version if it’s coming as well.
Wait so we are about to get a FF camera with Olympus style 5-axis IS along with Sony’s video aptitude (something sadly lacking in Olympus cameras) and all there are are complaints? Mostly from A-Mount users. In fact this board is only ever filled with cry babies!
I like that the biggest complaint about E-Mount is usually lack of IBIS, now it is about to get the best IBIS Sony has ever had and what happens? They find something else to complain about!
Just please give us an LA-EA5 to go along with it please Sony!
Funny thing is, Sony has real issues (like any camera manufacturers), but nobody complains about them. Shows you what the complainers are all about.
I cannot wait to hear the specs for the A9. Might be my next camera. I am hoping admin starts releasing some juicy rumors.
Observing this Sony forum, I was under impression, that all of those big shooters on this forum are wishing for better A7 cam. Well camera is coming but complainers are not happy about that news again …
@ some have big hands but the others small hands for this cam …
@ some are asking for this, but the others don’t like that idea what so ever …
… on and on …
This forum is one of the most hilarious forums I have seen so far … dpreview.com is most likely second runner up …
Complainers are buthurt because the manufacturers of the cameras they bought keep producing crap and ripping them off, so they need to address their consumerist Stockholm syndrom in whatever way they can. Sony users are happy i bet, i would be, the pace of innovation of Sony and Samsung is staggering. Samsung in particular with ISOCELL is doing some spectacular stuff when it comes to sensors, and Sony’s EXMOR is more than proven, to the dismay of Canonites.
That’s very unfair and entirely untrue. I hate this camera because i have medium sized hands.
My hands are pretty small but I find the ergonomics of all small cameras I have used to be crap. Be it m43, Fuji X system or Sony.
I would anyday prefer a DSLR system to mirrorless even with small hands.
Better AF, or I’ll be waiting till the A7III.
Wait for the A7XI, it will have so many features and automated modes that even a monkey will get professional results. In your case it would give you a 50/50 chance of properly framing a picture.
Sony are learning fast and im looking forward to seeing how they do over the next year or so. I hope the in body stabiliser is a lot tougher then earlier alpha cameras which notoriously broke.
Temporary victory until CaNikon produce their own version for loyalists grown tired of adapting. Enjoy it while you can Sony. Not going to last long after the giants are awakened. But I do applaud you for doing that.
I guess Sony is a small mom and pop outfit then.
If Canon’s eyes don’t open soon, I suggest that you check for a pulse. They may not be sleeping. It’s very possible that they’ve expired but the masses who buy their DSLRs just haven’t noticed yet. 🙂
I agree, this camera will still suck. Wobbly mount, poor battery life, no
lenses and the available lenses are utterly inferior when compared with
Canon L glass. Sony is on its way out, it cannot possibly
compete with Canon. The only consolation these fanboys have are the DXO numbers, but DXO numbers are irrelevant, all this shadow pushing
only applies to people that cannot expose properly or shoot with the
lens cap on. The fact is that there is no banding, or noise in the
shadows unless you go to ridiculous extremes and the Canon market
numbers reinforce this since Canon is still the market leader. Canon
knows what it’s doing and knows what you need better than you do Sony users.
Blablabla, nonsense, nonsense, fanboys, whatever, logical fallacy, doesn’t matter, nonsense.
True. Internet “experts” may bring some sales to the toymaker though, and away from the proper stuff. This cannot be good.
You might very well end up being right. However, we’ve been hearing these doom predictions since 2010. Today, Sony has the most popular APS-C mirrorless system and a growing FF entry, while Canon has the worst mirrorless system and Nikon has one that’s… in its own league. But I do hope Canikon bring something interesting.
giant mean nothing if they’r sleeping, look comment above, sony finally release A7II, while canikon are sleeping, sony eating giant food.
welcome to technology era…
This makes no sense at all. “PRO” e-mount? WTF. One lens set is hard enough to build let alone two. E-Mount adaptor on the way. OK, maybe. But A Mount is a significantly more versatile mount, so why focus on E-Mount with its limitations, for Pros? Why force people that want A Mount to use it? Why accept the compromises? If Sony wants to be the best, then that should translate to everything they produce, not weak compromises.
I don’t know if you heard the news but A mount is dead.
I am an A mount user and while I would like the A mount to continue the fact is Sony is getting a lot more traction in the mirrorless space. So it is in their best interests to develop the E mount to be a truly versatile camera system.
That said I do hope they continue to support the A mount for some time at least till the time they can come up with a MUCH MUCH better solution than that crappy expensive adapter they currently have.
Is the 5 axis IBIS literally “the same as in the EM1” — did they partner with Olympus? If it works even close to as well as the EM1 but with Sony’s excellent FF sensors, this will be one formidable camera.
But it’s the body depicted in that mockup (even though a fake) that has me really interested. Add an integrated EVF, super fast autofocus and medium format resolution and it is a real game changer.
Official announcement here
http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/201411/14-1120/
The Sony A7 II (ILCE-7M2) and the A Mount lens 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 G SSM II (SAL70300G2) have just been officially announced!! http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/Press/201411/14-1120/ Video release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eikcKu89fDs
wow, thanks.. merry christmas
admin, where are you??
Please don’t tell me that’s another dedicated EV dial with no option for repurposing. That’s what I want… another completely dead dial on my camera.
Video release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eikcKu89fDs
Another, longer video release: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svbUXedWsbA
I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING!!
ITS SOOO,… HOLLY SHIIIIT!!!
THANK YOU SONY…..
CANIKON YOU ARE HISTORY….. 🙂
Antiquated strap lugs that bite the hands that feed them.
Same stupid battery grip design with no control wheel and controls that can’t be reached without pulling finger from shutter button. Can’t mount tripod onto LAEA-4 when vertical grip is mounted. Just try.
Dedicated EV control that probably cannot spin freely and be repurposed. A dead dial for those who shoot manually or adapt lenses with aperture rings.
Go Away to HELL
its hard to imagine it’ll going the same as oly on a tight full frame emount, theres no room for compensate movement, but the decreasing image/battery indicate that they manage to do that somehow.
but SONY engineers are seems to be “on the fly” tech, they never thought that ibis will work on ff emount, why implement oss lens, it makes lens big,
and then what? z shift are coming, most likely we’r going to see redesign FE lens without oss and AF, but its small like loxias.
SONY tech are improving very fast, but they never had a good plan to deal with it.
Progression like 5-axis on sensor 5 IBIS is not necessarily bad.
I’m a Nikon shooter and I totally don’t mind if Nikon adds IBIS to the F-mount and re-do all non-tele lenses so now they are VR free. From 200-300mm and up on lens IS would work better.
agreed, just look at VR vs non VR price…
On a side note, any ideas how this would work with a image stabilized lens? Can lens IS and IBIS work together to get even more gains ?
no they cant, you have to choose one. But this Ibis are going to be great, its 5 axis maan,.. forget you OSS
Let’s see if they use a plastic mount on this baby. Then I’ll believe all the smack that it was a design choice instead of a terribly horrid oversight from a company with ABSOLUTELY NO HISTORY creating top shelf stills systems for those who understand the differences.
But instead of designing pro from the ground up, with full system lenses, like Maxxum and EOS, they’re chasing tail slapping band aides on half their mistakes, and ignoring the other half.
Yeah, sure, that’s what I want. A pro cam from a system that was NEVER conceived to be one in the first place. Sony even admitted that they were surprised at E-Mount success. They’re going to be real surprised when they discover the vast chasm between their definition of pro, and a working pros definition of pro.
Rotsa Ruck with that one… just keep telling us to Make.Believe that E & A are all one big happy system. LOL.
its a funny joke if you are expecting SONY will challenge CANIKON the way that two giant compete, just look how they compete!!! they releasing “the same” camera and technology one of the other period!! sony choose different way to fight.
like it or leave it
Love trolling, eh?
These are gadgets, nothing more. The trouble is, many internet fauxtographers may put their money into this and away from the proper stuff. Somehow, C and N will have to come out with their own full frame mirrorless to get the fauxtographers’ money. It’s sad, I know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eikcKu89fDs
Looks like it is real and anounced.
My $15,000 worth Canon L series lenses will be so stable with this camera. Hopefully Sony will find a way to recognize all my Canon lenses and be able to stabilized them all because the day this camera comes out, the day I will be forever be known as an ex-canon shooter.
I sense a great disturbance in Canon HQ, as if suddenly millions of Canon fanboys cried out in horror and were silenced
Oh please. Canon is hardly bothered about this development.
The sales of their crappy Rebel line up alone outsell all Sony A mount, E mount, FE mount etc etc cameras by a mile.
I’m sure Canon shareholders are enthusiastic about this development, and consequently, Canon’s management board. Their stock price over the past 5 years reflects this very same sentiment. But don’t let details burst your very own personal reality distortion bubble, carry on. Canon is releasing fantastic products, their EOS-M was just one of such spectacular products, and their Rebel line year after year succeeds in exciting generation upon generation of users with their fantastic advances in sensor technology, and features. Advances such as 4K video, noise-free shadows, high dynamic range. Canon does not need to compete, its users will just queue and throw money in homage to the generosity of Canon’s management board, and its shareholders will increase the bonus to the management board that in their infinite wisdom realize that no further innovation needed to take place. The only thing needed is buckets of red paint, and stickers to relabel cameras.
If you think only companies with the best product succeed then you are mistaken. Else Mcdonalds wouldn’t be the #1 burger chain in the world.
Canon has a total package of sales, service, availability, brand appeal etc etc.
Do you know Canon is just 4% away from Panasonic in the mirrorless market in Japan with just 1 camera ? Thats how powerful their brand is.
Sony has more bodies than lenses. Canon isn’t going to be terribly worried about Sony right now. Canon has some 150+ AF lenses available for its DSLR system and is available in almost every camera store. Sony is far far away from posing any major threat to Canon.
This is quite well said. Betamax, DAT and Minidiscs were all superb technologies too. In addition to the points above I would also add the retail chain. I have never found a competent sales rep in a Sony store that could articulate the Sony advantages beyond EVF=better, SLT= faster and NEX=smaller and whenever you go in a multi brand store like Best Buy my experience is that they know little about Sony and push you towards something else. The lack of or late reviews on key sites hurt as well although that is changing but I still think that few people think of Sony as a photography company although they make great photography products. Last but not least on the lens side is the price which is generally higher than the competition with less (weather sealed, SSM, OSS). Having said that I think they are on the good track and will get there eventually.
You hit the nail on the head ! Ever here in my country the sales guys know only Canon or Nikon. A friend liked my camera system and decided to buy a Sony A77 mk 2 but when he went to the store even though they had the A77 in stock the sales guy pushed the Canon 70D on him and my friend changed his mind and bought that only as the sales guy was insistent.
But yes you are correct. Sony are improving. 5 years ago you would hardly find any sony DSLR gear in stores over here. Now they are quite prevalent and their visibility in terms of advertisements and promotions are also pretty good now. Hopefully it will help them grow faster in future.
@BrendonF , you wouldn’t happen to own a Canon camera would you?
Of course not. I am an A mount user with 2 bodies and 9 lenses.
If I was a Canon user why would I bother visiting this site ? 😛
To troll, that’s why we thought you were a Canon user. At this point Canon is falling so far behind technologically that it may never recover.
Not everyone is a blind fanboy who takes everthing that sony half bake as pure gold
http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_a7m2_image_stabilization.jpg
Yeah, A-mount is dead, E-mount lenses with OSS will work better than A-mounts!!!
You still need an expensive adapter with some crappy 15 point AF system for using A mount lenses on E mount. And forget about the ergonomics of using a tiny body with tiny buttons with large A mount lenses + an adapter.
I beg to disagree with you..almost all vendors be it Canon or Nikon both have two types of mounts…and so will Sony. As of now A-mount cannot be discontinued…However, if the mirror less technology outperforms the D-SLT’s…A-mount would be dead…may be 10 years from now.
All that we are missing is an LAEA5 Adapter with wider focus screen! Let’s put the bullet on Canon’s head Sony! One final missing piece is the Adapter capable of focusing wide!
go sony go sony go!
but it is the same focusing system isn’t it?
30% faster
A-mount die hard fanboys, no more dream on a new A99II, adapter is the best camera you can get now… all A-mount lenses will soon be replaced by E-mount ones.
Why no more dream ? This camera launch doesn’t preclude the launch of a new A99 II ?
Plus a new A mount lens is scheduled to be launched. If so Sony wouldn’t pump resources into a dead mount.
I am under no illusion that the A mount is going to be around for a very long time. But for the time being at least I think Sony is going to keep it around.
And no the current adapter is not a solution for A mount users. Their best option is to jump ship and go to a more stable camera system like Nikon or Canon.
The expensive adapter has pretty below average AF and pathetic AF point coverage on a FF body.
The ergonomics on these mirrorless bodies are absolutely crap IMO.
+1
http://www.sony.jp/products/picture/y_a7m2_desigin.jpg
It uses the metal mount like the A7S
Olympus should Cash in and make some ZUIKO’s for the E-MOUNT. This will really stir the pot!
Ooohh, somebody can’t stand critics. Take it as it is, a half baked loaf of bread