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Rumors about a Sony medium format camera keep surfacing from time to time. The info we got recently was:
– Fixed lens RX camera
– Zeiss prime (35mm FF equivalent)
– 50 megapixel sensors (same used by new Hasselblad/PhaseOne/Pentax medium formats)
– Built-in EVF
– Smaller and cheaper(!) than any other medium format cameras out there. It’s cheaper than the new Pentax 645
And now new rumors via Photorumors shared some more details:
- 50 megapixel medium format CMOS sensor (probably made by Sony)
- Two versions will be sold under the Mamiya and Sony brands
- Only the Sony version will have an EVF
- The Mamiya model will have an OVF with OLED focus peaking
- The lenses will also be sold under the Sony/Zeiss and Mamiya brands
- New magnet-based lens attachment
- The cameras will have 4 black classic control dials
Those are conflicting rumors (or maybe two different cameras?). My guess is that a fixed lens camera is more likely. Sony is struggling quite a bit to deliver the FE lenses and I cannot imagine them yet make new lenses for a new system too..
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Did Sony bought Mamiya ?
Yes’d, did Sony done boughted Mamiya or didn’t not they done boughted them?
lol
ROFL!! HILARIOUS!!
OMFG! I just cant stop laughing!! LMAO!!
Im not joking! OMG… 🙂
magnet-based lens attachment? wow.
i’m guessing it’s magnetically guided, and then physically locked, instead of magnetically attached, which sounds rather risky.
But I heard that the attachment will be glue based.
Sounds like you have no idea of what you’re talking about.
It would be very cool if, in the same way that we have FE(Full Frame E-mount) lenses, Sony produced MA(Medium format A-mount) lenses. This would be the logical progression in my opinion. You would be able to use A-mount lenses in cropped full frame mode. I think the flange distance would be enough to pull off medium format with Sony’s micro lens pixel array. It would have to be mirrorless of course.
Fixed lens RX camera
The lenses will also be sold under the Sony/Zeiss and Mamiya brands
New magnet-based lens attachment
So, it is fixed or not?
was about to ask the same thing 🙂
Think Fuji X100. It’s fixed but got additional “lenses” adapted to the prime.
Or perhaps they plan whole series of cameras instead of just one (like latest Sigma)? Or in the most unlikely scenario – reply of Ricoh GR story.
See details reported on photorumors – sounds like ILC rather than fixed lens cam
Speaking of RX news…what’s up with the RX20 news?
I don’t believe that sony will be making lenses for this cam, more likely Zeiss (or Cosina, whoever) and they might share the same mount with Mamiya (highly doubt that)
You mean like the Loxia line? Because the Sony Zeiss are made by Sony.
yes
I would say that RX1 like would mean it is a fixed lens. And they did awfully good with their 35/2 on the rx1. I would expect it to be yet another excellent lens.
Just another example of Sony trying to be jack of all trades and master of none.
I would agree except for their success in mirroreless, full frame compacts, and the dominance of the high end p&s. They are really on a roll with more hits than misses. The issue is that they are all targeting segments of the market, not the whole market. At this point, they have competitive products in nearly every market, aside from the high end pro (1d and d4 level).
Success with compact cameras and mirorless indeed..but these cameras in the shape and form they are now, only suit a certain type of photographer.
All I’m saying is that they are bringing out new cameras at a fast rate and trying to serve all forms of photography from the masses to the elite rather than concentrating on what they know best and that is A-Mount and compact mirrorless.
It really is a shame they let the side down regarding the A mount which was their flagship until they decided that everyone should go small. They are now in danger of losing a large share of the market because of this single mindedness and of becoming, as I said, jack of all trades ……..
Go away troll, and take your bull $hit argument with you.
Oooohhhhhh aren’t we the snappy one then. Just because someone disagrees with your wayward thinking.
You obviously have nothing to say except for attacking others who don’t share your opinion so please go back under your stone and hibernate …forever.
I read all 5 of the photo sites featured across the network toolbar of this site. Of the 5, this Sony site is by far the least civil, and most trolled. The Fuji comments are by far the most civil and least trolled. And the M43 has gotten much, much better now that the admin seems to be actively moderating.
I can’t tell if that’s down to differences in community or just engaged Admins.
Yes, I agree. Isn’t it a shame that certain people are unable to express their opinions in logical and sensible sentences and therefore resort to silly, inane, one line outbursts which neither do or say anything at all to enable us to understand their thoughts or reasons on the matter. Unfortunately, it would appear that this one person is prolific in his rantings throughout this site and I would doubt if he or she even owns a proper camera never mind has the ability to use it.
The guest post loophole should be closed up. Is that a Disqus shortcoming or the site’s implementation? Authenticated, real name comments improve the quality of conversation.
Not too sure I agree with closing the guest posts.
I have differing opinions on varying subjects and am often at odds with even myself on some subjects. I like to post genuine arguments about various subjects using differing names because It’s good to see what other genuine posters think about my thoughts.
I agree, though, that it also allows morons to splash idiotic comments with no substance just like the person who seems to have taken a liking to this thread, using idiotic names, without even having the courtesy to state his own preferences.
Closing down now so goodnight to all ….. even the insane idiot trolling this thread.
Cry me a river, then build a bridge and get over it.
Oh please, stop with the melodrama.
Well, the reply was bit over the top, but I would agree with him that your argument is hardly “logical” or “sensible”.You are commenting on a rumour about some MF camera and suddenly it’s doom and gloom for Sony. Unless you can actually show something to back up statements such as Sony being “now in danger of losing a large share of the market”. By your logic Canon and Nikon should be jack of all trades too. And frankly, Sony seems to be excelling at most of its endeavours, whiners notwithstanding.
Douglas, that center spiked hairdo looks so 2006. Time for an update, stop and see your beautician and get a make over. And thanks again for you spurious input to the forum.
🙂
Glad to see you have a sense of humor! It was all in jest.
Just another example of Eric trying to be the jack of all a$$es. Well done Eric.
Not you again. Please stop making a complete idiot of yourself and if you have nothing sensible to say, climb back under your rock and go to sleep….forever.
And you believe your initial comment was sensible?
Medium format will be A-mount
Medium format will be A-mount!
Now that would be something!
E mount with IBIS?
no, E-mount.
how can a-mount flange distance fit with MF? just how?
is it possible to have a mirrorless a-mount w/ MF sensor? #seeimpossible
More likely clone a popular MF mount or have some type of flexible mounting system.
this will be one of the best reason A-mount will not dead in future.
Admin, any update on an RX1 refresh?
SLR Club has 16-35 review woohoo!!! http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=slr_review&divpage=1&no=434
Still no one brave enough to show an extreme corner on that lens. Not one landscape with a deep corner crop.
The lens looks ok. I’m not a fan of zoom and focus rings so close and identical feel. Certainly not a fan of fly-wire focus. Hope it works good for others. I’ll pass.
Then don’t buy it. And STFU.
STFU? Shorten The Flang U-guys?
Pictures are clickable (click the arrow near the pictures in the blue boxes), you can watch the corners by yourself!?
I like what I hear!
Cheap for MF standards, fixed lens, 35mm, shame it doesn’t have a proper rangefinder, but I can live with EVF. Good choice Sony!
Yes, and it’s a shame Porsche no longer uses mechanical fuel injection. How stupid is that?
It should be cheaper than 645Z – there’s no mirror and it probably won’t be built like 645Z which can be successfully used for some DIY as a hammer 🙂
Sensor too big, HULK not want! Smash!
I would be all over this.
A medium format RX1 with integrated EVF, 35mm field of view and 50 megapixels for the price near that of the current RX1R would be a game changer if they get it all right. Weather sealed. Leaf shutter. No shutter shock. Awesome Zeiss lens. Not too big and heavy. Classic, direct access manual controls. I hope the EVF is on the left corner.
Digital MF fixed lens camera doesn’t make any sense – at least not for the usual MF prices. APS-C yes, it’s affordable. But I wouldn’t buy for £5000+ fixed lens camera.
The rumor stated that it could be “Smaller and cheaper(!) than any other medium format cameras out there. It’s cheaper than the new Pentax 645” — that would be pretty interesting to me.
I agree that interchangeable lenses would be interesting, but I think it would be disastrous for Sony to try to support yet another mount. By going with a fixed lens, they dodge that bullet while getting to fully optimize both size and performance.
I agree that £5000+ would put it out of reach for many.
But under $3K?
Sony could build a lot of mindshare.
If it comes, I doubt very much it will be anywhere near the price if the RX1/R. Not being argumentative, I just think it’s very, very unlikely.
Agreed. I’m pretty skeptical of this whole rumor, but to be truly revolutionary, I think it needs to be incredibly aggressive on price, like the A7 body.
It hopefully will be very reasonably priced for a medium format camera, but $3500 to $5000 will likely be the price range.
If Sony really want’s to shake up the market, it has to be very aggressively priced. Keep fingers crossed…. 🙂
$3500-$5000 would be dirt cheap for a MF camera. That would be less that the Pentax 645Z which is itself a game changer
Ohh, me so rikey bery bery much!
Fixed lens and lens system sounds contradictory.
Perhaps the fixed lens has a magnetic mount on the front to mount a wide angle and telephoto adapter? That is how I’m reading that
i hope its not interchangeable lenses, dedicated micro lenses to match are better, and i dont want sony to have another mount to make lenses for.
I’m wondering if it’s Sony that will make the fixed lens version and Mamiya the interchangeable since they have legacy lenses to rely on.
What then would be the incentive of going with the Sony version.
I suppose they have the same thought process with the RX1 vs. A99. With the Mamiya lenses even if it’s mirrorless there still needs to be space between the rear element and sensor because those lenses were optimized for the mirror box. The RX1 could be much more compact because the lens was optimized for a short element/sensor distance.
Mamiya 7 is rangefinder, it has no mirror box. It uses other lens system than Mamiya 645 and other than Mamiya RZ67. So it’s not impossible that this camera could be quite compact with Mamiya 7 lens. But there are still too many contradictions in the specs to be true 😉
“i hope its not interchangeable lenses,”
Right, throw out that $2000 lens with the old outdated electronics they don’t make batteries for anymore.
ok true on the battery, but cmon its a 50mp mf sensor, long as it works its going to be a great camera for a damn long time.
and interchangeable lenses means designing more lenses… which means e mount is dead :p
And something in the camera, electronics or screen or dials or shutter etc malfunctions, and the uberexpensive lens goes to the trash.
I agree with you. When in studio I always used my Pentax 67 back in the old days. Today I use a Pentax 645D. When I was outdoor though I use to use a Fuji GX670 which was a fixed lens Rangefinder. It was wonderful something like that or say the Fuji GA645zi AF zoom model would be perfect for almost any pro really
Who do I write the check to?
Why would anyone want MF when M43 has been proven superior.
While this is true…MF provides the look at me it’s obvious I’m superior advantage.
Superior in what way? I could list a few things where M43 doesn’t even compare to APS-C.
“facepalm”
Ummm….M43 is larger for one.
MF is only two characters, M43 is three. Three is more than two.
Larger than what, APS-C? You’re mistaken or failing horribly at trolling.
http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/g1x_vs_m43.png
It’s a joke, guy. Have you ever taken the piss before…
Very dead pan…so dead it’s not funny.
David; Duck! Something just flew over your fat head.
It’s all relative.
Nice!
Nothing is relative, facts are facts and I have proof.
http://i57.tinypic.com/n2n58o.png
The Barry sensor is still under development, under the watchful eye of AnimalsByBarry. Scheduled for release in early 2015, but not in this physical dimension.
Hulk smash both!
lmfao!!!!! Micro Four Turds is a joke
I wish the lens was closer to 28 instead of 35. With 50mp there is room for crop. Ideal lens for me would have been lens close to a 28/2.
I totally agree, except I would go even wider! With 50 mp, especially with such a large sensor, 35mm FOV is a waste. For a fixed lens, it should be a Zeiss 21mm optimized for the MF sensor. That would make it a perfect cam for landscape and architecture. One can always crop down for tighter FOV, but impossible to go wider.
“Sony is struggling quite a bit to deliver the FE lenses and I cannot imagine them yet make new lenses for a new system too..”
They were struggling to deliver APS-C A-mount and yet started APS-C E-mount. They were struggling to deliver APS-C E-mount and started FZ. They were struggling to deliver APS-C A-mount, APS-C E-mount and FZ and started FE…
It is Sony. Never stop “innovating”. Never deliver.
You’re struggling to make sense. Just another troll desperate to make the possibility of a reasonably priced medium format camera that most photographers can afford a negative. Pathetic.
FZ..?
Yes, FZ.
Again with that 35mm lens. Make it 28mm, at least.
>Sony is struggling quite a bit to deliver the FE lenses and I cannot imagine them yet make new lenses for a new system too..
On the contrary. Abandoning systems just as they’re reaching maturity seems to be the Sony’s way.
35 is just fine
Wouldn’t that be typical, finally release a medium format camera and the cripple it with a fixed lens, great bit of bling for the showoffs, virtually useless as the main workhorse for pros. Why??
I still have a Mamiya 7, never use it but it had interchangeable lenses. Interestingly a friend who had two Plaubels just ditched them for a D800E. Sony understands the amateur market but totally misunderstands the Pro end. If they can get a 36 mpxl sensor into an A7r then why not a bigger sensor into a body of equivalent size and toughness as a A900? Would sell like hotcakes and use the A series lenses – too simple?
If I were Sony, after I have successfully put Fullframe into small camera and sale like hot cakes, sure next thing I will do is put Medium Format into RX1 body, so can get all ur money!! Hahahaaa!
This is all small peanuts. I’m waiting for that Sony 8×9 camera with otus lens. Wake me up when it arrives.
I hope the lens says “Otus” on it.
….Otus isn’t medium format lens.
Your missing the point. The name implies the next generation of optical performance. I think it is perfectly fitting for this camera.
medium format mirrorless, they just need to enlarge the FE mount to a larger diameter. Then with lenses adaptor for legacy lenses, it will be a large market. sony only need to make a few own lenses. no need to be a full range.
Actually, I am thinking that we can try to adapt canon ts-e 17mm/24mm on this, it should be able to cover medium format. WOW.
Can you currently adapt medium format lenses to 35mm?
I am using hassleblad and pentax 645 lenses on sony a7 now.
But I am saying another story.ts-e 17mm/24mm have image circle enough for medium format. It will become ultra ultra wide when use on medium format sensor. Just if the medium format camera can have a short enough fringe distance to make lenses adaptor.
Sure, you can get adapters for all the MF mounts to E-mount.
This camera is on my top ten (Mamiya) for all time sexiest cameras ever. Definitely a chick magnet. The middle aged ones, but still.
I have a mamiya 7 and I never thought it was all that good looking. If you want sexy check out a Fuji GF670W. That is the picture that they should be using as its closer to what it would really look like.
The Leica S2 loks quite nice too.
well, it’s quite ugly to be honest 😉 there are much prettier medium format RF cameras out there
We need about a 55mm, or so, image circle for the so called MF sensor. We have 43mm+ image circle on our FF lenses, or should have anyway. 😉 So it comes down to how much + works out to for many FF lenses, if we want to use them on this sensor.
For some perspective, a 6×7, real MF, needs almost a 100mm image circle. It should be possible to shift, and even tilt, real MF lenses, used on Sony’s MF sensor. There’s lots of room.
Please 4k with A7S equivalent cine log + 4:2:2 10 bit color depth with a new sony mount that we could use 645 or 6×6 lens with a speed booster. Than, I am gonna sell my Red.
So now sony is cooperating with Hasselblad and Mamiya at the same time?