SAR reader ED shared this Sony A77II AF Point Demo video. If you are (or will be) a A77II owner you might be interested to learn the new AF features.
Meantime Imaging Resource added the A77II test images to their comparometer. And this is the improvement over the previous A77 camera:
You can clearly see how the new Bionz X processor handles the noise in a better way.
UPDATE: WhatDigitalCamera (Click here) posted the full A77II review and the camera earned the Gold Award:
On the whole, with the Alpha 77 Mark II Sony has brought a host of advanced functionality to a consumer DSLT and as such is well worthy of consideration.
The camera will ship in 4 days from now according to Amazon US. Here are the full preorder links:
Sony A77 body in USA at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 with 16-50mm lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Sony Store (Click here) and BHphoto (Click here).
Sony A77 body in Europe at Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony France, Sony IT, ES, NL, BE, AT, CH, PT, NO, SE, FI and Wex UK.
Sony A77 in Asia at Digitalrev and Sony Australia.
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default JPEG comparisons are all but irrelevant all you are comparing is different NR settings.
It looks interesstingly better, but if its in camera jpg then the comparsion is not worth much. A raw conversion comparsion would be more useful.. but then the question becomes.. is the new camera avalible to Lightroom or DxO yet ?
No LR yet. Not even the beta ACR. 🙁
Why? Are you sure that LR or DxO created jpeg’s will look better that the in camera ones?
Looks promising, but as others have noted – raw vs raw without NR will truly reveal how much the sensor / IQ have been improved.
If it actually hade even a little more resolution I would have bought one.
Now I am waiting for the 54mp ff camera…and hoping its sooner rather than later..
Hopefully it will meet or exceed the performance of this camera and eliminate the crop factor advantage.
Currently for the most part sony releases C and ff of about equal mp count.
The approach I would like to see is equal pixel density..
Lets have a bigger camera that is simply MORE CAMERA.
this was, in part, gained by getting color separation WORSE
Yawn
It has no GPS. So what …
all it does not has is a reason to discredit it or an excuse not to buy it. Who the f..k needs gps.
The new focus system is faster an better tracking than the old.
But how much more so on 3rd party lenses like Tamron 150-600
And how much better for older screw focus lenses?
These are standard PDAF AF points, they are not the hybrid ones on the A99 that need Sony firmware support and they are not OSPDAF points that need lens support.
Barry, you are fixated on them not working with third-party lenses, how many times do I need to repeat it to you? THEY ARE STANDARD AF POINTS.
According to the A77ii owner’s manual, not all AF points work on all lenses. They only list Sony lenses, but they specifically note that some of the AF points do not work on some Sony lenses. So if they don’t all work on all Sony lenses, then it’s natural to conclude they probably don’t all work on all 3rd party lenses either.
Yeah, but its preriferal points that may not work. There are 79 total, and *ONLY* 66 work with most 3rd party lenses.
Still around 35% frame coverage.
Correct.. should still be a significant upgrade. But just correcting the misconception that all the focus points will work on all lenses.
There is no misconception. You are simply reading it out of context. This is about Barry and his obsession that third-party lenses will not work.
This camera is not a pdaf system where measuring points are integrated to the sensor, thus any lens works on it. Pdaf fast AF cameras have conventional measuring integrated as well, so any lens will work, just not at the same speed, and many Sony lenses need firmware update on Nex6 and a6000 series. The super speedy AF on a6000 has no value with hybrid lenses, only Sony and Zeiss most recent lenses work with the pdaf system. A Sigma 19, 30, or 60 is here off limits.
Look at it this way:
The AF module is designed for maximum coverage. The reason is that it shall be reusable on FF bodies and have good (best) coverage.
Downside is that some AF points is so far out that they simply don’t work on all lenses on APS-C body. So they are disengaged in some cases.
Even without those, it has a groundbreaking 60 something AF points.
The alternatives were:
– Design it with lesser AF points.
– Squeeze the AF points more tightly into the middle of the frame.
Both option would to some extent hurt AF capabilities when it is used on an FF body.
I think Sony did the right choice here. Anyone disagree?
But they are all STANDARD points. Barry is getting worked up thinking that you need some special Sony lenses for them to work and his third party lenses will not work at all. He keeps going on and on about it despite being told exactly what I am saying here again.
If a lens vignettes when wide open then the outer AF points *may* not work so you “only” get 61 AF points.
Barry can not get this simple fact into his head though!
I have a Sigma 50mm and it works with ALL 79 AF points.
That is for AF-D mode only. If your lens does not support AD-D then AF-C works fine.
I use old Minolta lenses on my a99 all the time – with full AF.
The new AF would be certainly better than our a65s (obviously, could say same thing compared to the a77) and I imagine the a77II’s AF would outclass your a77. Enough to get your money’s worth? I dunno. I’m still on the fence. Unfortunately, I have money burning a hole in my pocket that won’t wait until the a77III.
If this were 32mp I would have gotton one.
Now I will wait for 54mp.
36mp…years after nikon had it..
Is too little to late to move to ff.
If I can just buy one camera I have to make it count for something.
32mp is a seriously bad idea in an APS-C camera with todays technology. What your looking for won’t be available for a long time.
If it the A77II had launched with 32mp sensor, it would have been noisier, had less dynamic range, and poor colour depth. Its tracking in low light, even with the new sensor would have been horrible.
Originally I was never expecting more than 24mp for this camera…but several sony people specifically told me 32mp so thats what I had started to believe.
If I am not mistaken was it you who a ‘ll so predicted 32mp before I did?
In any event it was previously reported on sar that when developing a sensor for the ff E mount sony tested 3 ff sensors.
24mp 32mp and 36mp.
It was also the opinion of the person providing the info that the 32mp had the best IQ of the three.
Since sony probable has a new high quality 32mp ff sensor and no camera currently uses it I would not be surprised to see this sensor in one of the new soon to be anounced A mount cameras.
all in your life starts by a belief. Once you believe, you should seek for evidence, and here, often, it is a deception. In photography you have the advantage that no priest will forbid to you to seek for the evidence and for the interpretation of nonsense.
There is a 32mp in development (based on previous SAR rumoured posted), but its probably not ready yet. Sony’s is likely waiting until its performance exceeds the current 24mp, which IMO is more than good enough for APS-C.
Yes, you’re right. Unfortunately, I got all caught up in the 32MP a77II rumor hype and your later comments of talking to a Sony rep about it seemed to confirm it in my mind. It’s why I had such a very bad reaction to Sony’s official announcement over the a77II. I haven’t been so disappointed in a long time.
I’m slowly getting over it and really, really, really want to upgrade from my a77II but it looks so very meh to me. But can I wait another 2-4 years for an upgrade which could be another minor incremental one as well?
I think a reasonable guess is that we will see 54mp ff by sometime in 2015….but I keep hoping for sooner.
A camera like that should match or exceed the performance of the a77II except for burst rate.
Isn’t the oft-said higher megapixels equals more noise statement on SAR a myth as long as you’re discussing same sensor size/tech?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Im4W_9blhY&list=PLBE338967F8DB7F2A
So AF works great if you’re focusing on a single contrasting object on a plain grey background! This is about as non-real-world a test as you can get!
It is a demonstration of the number of AF points and the modes, not how they perform.
These are good a77/a77Ii side by side comparisons that we need to help decide if the upgrade is worthwile…upgraders will naturally be those most on the fence since we must decide if the upgrade is worthwhile or not enough.
And the first contestant in the category “The bleeding obvious” is…
ROFL
I used the Comparometer (dumbest name ever!) between my a65 and the new a77II. I’m sure some fans will accuse me of being crazy but I don’t really see a difference until really ISO 3200 and then is it enough to justify an upgrade? Probably not. I’ve never shot over ISO 1600 but would if I thought it was reasonably clean. Not sure the a77II would be. OTOH, the AF upgrade would be a nice bonus, I suppose.
Hallo, I added preliminary support for A77II to Zoner Photo Studio 16 and developed RAWs from imaging-resource.com, here is it:
http://duffa.zonerama.com/Album/343520 (Scroll down and change language to english, click to image and than click to download icon. It is also possible to choose option “Select whole album” and download images all at once).
For comparison I also developed several high ISO images from A77:
http://duffa.zonerama.com/Album/343524
and from A57 (which I own :-))
http://duffa.zonerama.com/Album/343525
A77m2 is IMHO much better, there is about one stop improvement, noise in ISO1600 image from A77 look very similar to noise in ISO3200 from A77m2 etc. I’m very impressed by mk2…
As I said before .. It’s Bionz X baby
It is the major improvment
Let’s see a noticeable improvement in sales.
Without marketing and retail outlet support, none.
Which brings me to a random question. Do I move on from my a900 for an A7R? I keep thinking more and more about it but I can’t make up my mind. At least Sony is marketing those cameras.
So you buy whatever Sony markets, even though you know A-mount cameras are superior?
No- which is why I haven’t bought one. But, the A900 is getting a bit old and don’t want to wait much longer. I own no e-mount stuff- zero. Maybe it’s time to move over to the dark side. Not sure yet.
I’m sure you can keep using your A900 until later this summer when the A99II is released. That way you don’t make an impulse decision, lose money, and have to change an camera entire system.
If you are fine with using the A900 professionally or casually on a daily basis, I would take a look at the A99. The A7r is more geared towards landscape photography, I think. I made the switch because I’m only an advanced amateur but I don’t need the durability, speed and associated weight and size of a DSLR.
Wait to see what Sony does with the next full-frame Alpha…
Yeah, it seems everyone I talk to agrees. I love the A900- but keep thinking I might be missing something. Might as well wait I guess.
It doesn’t look natural, I rather have grain.
The A77 doesnt make grain, the A77II makes grain.
The A77 makes big blotchy splats. Do you know what grain is?
BTW, there are plenty of old A700s to choose from if you want grain.
You’re right it’s not really grain, but the native noise that I’d rather have in a jpg.
Really, I’m just venting cause my a7, in jpg mode with noise-reduction turned off, still gives me shitty digital artifacts either from minimal noise reduction still on, or jpg compression. I didn’t have this issue with my nikon and jpgs when noise reduction was off. It’s really only an issue, because I’m not able to transfer RAW photos to my phone for editing, only jpgs. I realize this post is about noise reduction on the A77II, but I’m just expressing my general dislike for over the top noise reduction.
*Overall* the jpeg processing is improved. Smoother, less jpeg artifacts. But it isn’t totally clear cut…. Perhaps using the excuse that it is context sensitive noise reduction, the noise reduction has become overly aggressive in areas of subtle detail. Look at the full test images at mid/high ISO of around 6400… look at some of the plainer color swatches. The patterns are actually better retained with the old original A77. The A77ii has wiped out all detail in some of those swatches.
Still, it’s an overall major improvement in jpeg processing, which should really appeal to jpeg shooters. Not sure how much difference RAW shooters will see, but jpeg shooters look to be gaining a whole stop or more of ISO improvement.
JPEG seems to be tampered pretty much the same as the A77 >ISO3200 however I don’t really care as it won’t matter that much to me. I shoot RAW almost all the time.
Btw thanks for showing us the link to whatdigitalcamera! They’re one of the first to post a full review. Let’s wait the likes of dpreview and others to follow.
Another crappy camera from Sony. Same old story, good ideas, bad implementation and support. And seriously, Bionz X sounds cool for marketing but is a total joke in functionality. Instead of reading specs and testing in a controlled environment try testing it practically side by side with a canon or Nikon and you will notice the crap that comes out of Sony cameras.
Yes, we won’t care what you are saying. Go and have fun with whatever you shoot with.
LOL. Nice try.
That’s like saying Priscilla Ahn is a crappy singer.
… and still, here you are …
BTW, there are PLENTY of side by side tests done.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-there-is-no-plan-to-make-an-fz-mount-dlsr-looking-4k-camera-yet/#disqus_thread
The D7100 doesnt even stand a chance! And Canon seems to have just given up entirely. The 70D sensor is utter rubbish.
The A77II beats the SNOT out of any Canon or Nikon APS-C camera out there today!
Noise, Color, Detail, features, everything.
You’re totally ill-informed.
Love it. You know that’s as far from the truth as possible. 😉
You Canikon trolls are SCARED TO DEATH of what Sony is bringing to the table. It makes you realize that maybe your Canikon dinosaurs are nearing extinction. 🙂
The more trolling, the better!
Sony, keep turning the heat up!!
You absolutely must change you ID if you are answering to your own posts. Otherwise you just comes across as schizo.
It is Disqus messing up – i thought the same thing. refresh the page.
about dinosaurs, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions
Dinosaurs were the second most successfull creatures to rule the earth.
Insects the first.
Only because there were no humans. 😉
Humans could never have evolved if dinosaurs were not extint first.
Dinosaurs ruled the earth for over 250,000,000 years.
Humans for about 3,000.
Actually however today humans are not the dominant land life form on earth….the earthworm is.
Exactly. Dinosaurs were the king for a long time. But they went extinct because they couldnt cope with change. Now it’s Canikons turn.
Incorrect
Dinosaurs adapted to change very well and fossil evidence suggests a cataclysmic extraterestrial collision that only smaller species including smaller dinosaurs survived.
Dinosaurs still survive and thrive today with thousands of species are common all over the world today.
Haha. Talk about polar opposite from reality! Not even worth a response really…other than to say thanks for the laugh!
It really doesn’t matter what brand fan boy you happen to be, because the A77II is so far ahead of the competition it makes comparisons laughable. ‘I feel your pain’, well not really but if making stupid statements helps you feel better than that’s OK.
Your world like a ball 🙁
No more ‘No more Sonys’
Have you used one? Probably not, huh.
It’s a regular troll-a-thon on SAR today.
From jj:
BTW, there are PLENTY of side by side tests done.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com…
The D7100 doesnt even stand a chance! And Canon seems to have just given up entirely. The 70D sensor is utter rubbish.
The A77II beats the SNOT out of any Canon or Nikon APS-C camera out there today!
Noise, Color, Detail, features, everything.
You’re totally ill-informed.
I have one thing to say: HVL-f60m
One bad flash makes the whole system bad?
You’re REALLY reaching, bud. Maybe that kind of trolling works on those Fuji guys…but not us! 🙂
Anyone with a brain knows the A77II is at the very top of its class in every single way.
Sony system? What system? You nailed the problem on the head.
Your nailed on your head.
lol. THAT made a lot of sense. *dripping with sarcasm*
Save yourself a lot of pain and join a sensor envy support group.
I have one thing to say. Nikon SB-900. Same problem as the Sony.
One more…how about “Nikon D600”. Nuff said.
LMAO…
I’m laughing tears of oil.
Buy a HVL-F58AM, or use the SANYO rechargeables to mitigate the problem.
It is pure propaganda to claim that BIONZ X “handles noise better”. Put in a more neutral way, it seems to apply more noise reduction in monotone surface areas. However, many people prefer more noisy but detailed renderings. I like the rendering of the A77, but would never say that it does it better or worse than A77 II, just differently. You need to say “better” if you want people to buy that thing.
The fact of the matter is that the Bionz X processor has a speed and processing power advantage over previous generations. As such it’s able to apply more powerful noise reduction algorithms in real time. This is a great for jpg shooters who want a quick and easy workflow. If you don’t like the result of this processing/over processing then shoot raw and do it manually. Complaining about it serves no useful purpose.
I didn t complain about it, I complained about qualifying it as an improvement in terms of IQ. It has nothing to do with what you wrote, and also I do not care about both cameras, only about judgement in relation to IQ. I suggest to you to read the posting again and then look at the comparison shot. Complaining about it serves no useful purpose.
A77 II is without a doubt the worst camera in its class. Name a pro who has produced a great body of work with this camera. You can’t, can you? People, you need to stop being ridiculous and stupid, and stop defending Sony in their race to the bottom.
Name a pro who couldn’t produce professional results with this or any other decent camera, fact is he/she wouldn’t be a pro or even an experience amateur if this were the case. Perhaps you fall into this category? The A77II trumps the competition in every way and will force them to improve their current products to compete. Sony has lifted the bar on what’s expected from this product price range and built a superior camera. If you were a real photographer and not a shill, you would welcome the improvements this latest version of the A77 brings to the table.
Don’t be lazy, Lazy. Try looking up some yourself. There are several.
Are you mad? Lol.
It would be really, really nice if the trolls took off for summer vacation.
LOL!
Lovely. You Canikons are SO scared! I love it!
Sony. Kicking Canikon’s A$$ to the curb since 2013.
From jj below:
BTW, there are PLENTY of side by side tests done.
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com…
The D7100 doesnt even stand a chance! And Canon seems to have just given up entirely. The 70D sensor is utter rubbish.
The A77II beats the SNOT out of any Canon or Nikon APS-C camera out there today!
Noise, Color, Detail, features, everything.
You’re totally ill-informed.
Slow day in canon’s marketing department…
Dan has always been the SAR Court Jester. Don’t take him too seriously.
I agree. Dan cant help it. We should pity Dan, not encourage him.
And for the record, plenty of “Sony Pros” use the A77 with grip, HVL-43AM, SAL1650, and Zeiss 24mm alongside their full frames on a regular basis. Especially in situations where speed is a critical factor.
I expect plenty of “Sony Pros” will upgrade to the A77II
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a77iimy-first-pictures_topic106788.html
Not a pro but Gustav will disagree with you. He produces images with the A77II that you can only dream about.
The camera just came out..of course no one has produced a great body of work with it yet.
No one has produced a great body of work with a Canon 7D Mark II for the same reason.
I know a lot of people who have sony cameras. A pity, a fool and his money are soon parted.
You have the stupidest logic. Did you ever consider why you know a lot of people with Sony cameras?
If you are going to be cynical, at least put some effort into it.
So you bought an iPhone then? Never mind – maybe you can buy a proper camera next time…
I know a lot of people who have Canon cameras.
I don’t go to their forums and troll them.
Who’s the better person? Who’s the insecure punk?
Sony should stick to making Playstations. They will never beat the mighty Canon!
Already happened. Canon…once mighty, now just something to remember.
ADMIN POST THE SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISONS FROM OTHER CAMERAS FROM THE OTHER DAYS THREAD! NOT JUST SONY SIDE BY SIDE!!
Agree with other comments. Noise removal at the expense of sharpness. I compared the A77II with the A58 at 1600 ISO: the A58 shows a bit more noise, but is decidely sharper. Very disappointing. I was looking forward to getting the A77II, but that is not going to happen.
You only shoot jpeg?
I did the exact same comparison just now and you’ll see the A77II on the left does a much job resolving the detail, and noise.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
So the original post is obviously not an accurate comparison.
The A77 is on the left the A58 is on the right.
The A77II is on the left the A58 is on the right.
They were both takes at ISO 12800
You’re backward.
That is doctored. When I go there and do the same test, I see a sharp A77II image.
this photo tells us nothing, the test image from Digital Imaging review site has the bad habit that the one from DPR has as well, and that is the fact they never use central spot focusing but let the camera chose the spot. In some cameras it focuses center, in others in ether corner, and thus, such unsharp areas occur. You can only compare by doing your own test, take an sd card, go to a shop, take jpeg and raw shots with both cameras from same objects with center spot focusing and then compare. Anyway, I shoot raw and jpeg, the jpegs are kept in a folder for fast viewing and all that I catalog will be reworked to my convenience on raw, The only camera I know to make perfect useable jpeg shots is Sony’s RX1.
They are doctored.
Interesting you should say that, because they weren’t, but it does reveal something about people wanting to see something that isn’t there. The A77ii excels in its class in many ways, but we do wildlife and I have to be able to crop whatever animal we’re shooting and still have a sharp image. The A65 we use now can produce great pictures, as long as the sun is out, but when it gets a bit darker the noise is pretty dreadful. To replace that with a camera that gives me little to no noise at ISO 1600 but is less sharp is no progress. There are better cameras out there now and I am not married to Sony.
Then why are you here wasting your time?
Take a hike.
Why respond emotionally? Is it your company?
NR can be turned off.
I own 2 A77 and after reading your comment I decided to give it a try with the NR Off and the results are much better than with NR On.
Here’s the actual comparison. (area chosen by Marnius is defocused on in A77II image – so it’s not fair)
Yeah, focus is off. Look at the rest of the frame. It is obvious…
The Sony defence squad is more aggressive than ever! Stop trolling this site!
True but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. ie, the trolling is in retrospect to Sony’s impact on the market. And so it serves as a way to measure how they’re doing. To which I’d add, based on reactions, I’d say the competition is very upset.
the universe rests on duality, positive and negative, yes or no, black and white, and our whole society rests on it, for or against, and all those that are not with us, are against us, chose your camp. I am opportunist, is remain neutral, at least until there is money to earn on ether side.
This is not a full frame camera. It’s of no use to a photographer, since it basically has a compact camera sensor, just like m4/3. Sony has made disappointment their business model, making toys instead of real cameras. And you’re all swallowing their pathetic lies.
So when a camera whoops ANYTHING Canikon has to offer in the same sensor format, that is a “toy”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6qVjYF8Igg
But this camera clearly is inferior to anything the competition has to offer. It doesn’t whoop anything. Please use your eyes when comparing images, not your preconceived notions. Trolls like you completely ruin this and other photography sites.
Makes no sense. It is clearly…obviously…without a doubt leaps and bounds better.
More features
Better Autofocus
Higher burst rate
Better image quality
Nice try.
The only features you need is the ability to control composition, exposure and focus. Everything else is for gadget freaks.
Autofocus and burst rate is perfectly fine in most modern system cameras, unless you shoot fast-moving subjects, which real photographers don’t do.
Image quality is clearly sub-par in this camera. Use your eyes!
Real photographers???? You have to write a page on Wikipedia on that.
Trust me, I constantly re-write all photography-related pages on Wikipedia, but some useless trolls keep undoing my work.
Huh. I wonder why…
Are you friends with Ken Rockwell?
LOL.
They are not useless trolls. They are people with meaningful points. They are undoing your work because your statement isn’t factual and doesn’t get supported by logical explanations.
I’ll use my eyes when you use a proper ID when writing comments.
My name is Gordon, is FormerlyE yours? 😉
Touche 🙂
It’s my inital for sure, used just E for a long time, but som other guys/gals started to use e, E, E., etc. so I changed.
But I didn’t ask for your name, I asked for an ID so your posting history is available to others.
You make a fair point, but I don’t care about posting histories myself. I treat every comment in isolation.
Maybe the only features YOU need. But you dont speak for everyone.
“The only features you need is the ability to control composition, exposure and focus.”
… and then …
” Image quality is clearly sub-par in this camera.”
As per your first statement, that doesn’t matter to you?
Of course I care about image quality, but that is not a feature. Most camera review sites treat “features” and “image quality” as separate categories; see for example DPReview.
Touchscreen, articulated screen, in-camera HDR, EVF, 4K video, focus peaking, GPS, WiFi, digital filters, sweep panorama, weather sealing, those are all examples of features. The ability to take pictures is a feature too, and one that we expect from every camera. But the quality of the pictures is not a feature. You have to distinguish between the feature itself, and the quality of the feature.
@Gordon: It is easy to tell who is a misinformed troll. They often use the phrase “real photographers don’t…” Sorry to tell you this, but you don’t speak for all “real photographers”. In fact, I would bet that you aren’t even a real photographer, because you have no idea what you’re talking about. Funny how everything you like is what “real photographers” like, and everything you don’t like “is for gadget freaks”. Interesting how you came upon this amazing wisdom the the rest of the world just doesn’t get.
The Canon, and Nikon fanboys are immature and very jealous. Sony’s A77II is proving to be an exceptional camera.
Definitely, you miss something, don’t you. Can you imagine that I do not want any FF camera, so I am in your view a gambler that plays with toys. I do not see what a FF does better, APSC has now made the job for all photographers for more than 20 years, without FF, and now it suddenly it is of no use anymore. As I said, definitely, you miss something. Maybe you got born yesterday only, who knows?
If infinite DoF and horrific noise is your thing, then sure, keep on shooting with your compact cameras. People who understand photography shoot full frame. Full frame is the best sensor size for everyone.
Yeah, I’ve always felt that medium format is to big and just wrong.
If you want shallow DoF buy a Medium Format.
People who understand photography “Sony Pro” those of us with Degrees, or Diplomas and years of experience, own both, and use both.
and some of us are upgrading to medium format.
And what do you do for a living, other than trolling?
Why bother? There is nothing to be gained by responding to troll stupidity. It’s like arguing with a door by banging your head against it.
You are obviously using multiple screen names on here for your trolling (your similar rants and prose “style” make this clear). Admin, banning the names and associated email addresses of known trolls would make this forum better for all (except the trolls).
Then why are 73% of all the DSLR cameras sold APS-C sensors or smaller?
This A77II sensor is *ALMOST* as good at many FF sensors…and costs WAY less.
FF is nice, but it’s not the preferred choice. Even for you Canikon people.
@Full frame for everyone: You have no idea what you’re talking about. Compact sensor cameras are generally super-small. Except for the RX100 and a handfull of others, they have sensor sizes far smaller than a one-inch sensor. And a one-inch sensor is smaller than a m4/3 sensor. And an m4/3 sensor is smaller than an APS-C sensor. And while a full-frame sensor is the next step up, besides very high ISO ability, this APS-C sensor trounces the sensor in the Canon 5D MkIII. In fact, on DXOMark, you will see that this “toy” scores higher overall. So unless you only take pictures in dark rooms with only people’s eyes in focus, and their nose and ears blurred, you really are making no sense at all.
Looks great! Much improved from A77, and now it is the best performing (image quality wise including noise) APS-C camera on the market. The images speak for themselves.
Dont listen to the trolls. They are either Canikon fanboys lusting, or people who dont have enough money to upgrade and so they want to put the camera down.
A77II is an AMAZING camera. In every aspect!
Yep this camera’s great IQ gets sheer denial everywhere.
I know accepting reality is hard, especially for people who gets insecure with their gears. I don’t expect them to accept it after they read this post either, but at least I’ve proven my points. Sane readers will judge who’s point is more credible.
Sorry, Disqus messed up the Images.
I like that you posted images with so much reflection. then it is easy to see when lighting have changed between the test shots.
Whether you like it or not, This is from imaging resource, difference in lightning conditions are simply not my fault. The one thing I want to prove here is noise, so a slight difference on the lightning condition is negligible (Look at the noise levels around the shadows).
Actually, there wa no irony ..
Oh well, there’s an error with my comprehensive reading skills… Hehe
I also thought there was irony meant at first, so don’t worry. Usually, when lighting changes, that is thought to be a negative thing in a test, so I understand the confusion.
Yeah, but I hope every neutral readers here get my Point.
Sweet video here by Gary Fong testing the Focus Lock-On feature! Impressive! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4qTr1CaOEQ
Not bad at all.
I lika how the subject box resizes continuously and adapts to the subject size.
I wish some of the Graphics could be turned off though, as it atleast takes some time to refresh , that time could be better spent of EVF refresh rate.
The graphics don’t slow my A77 down at all but they can be turned off by scrolling the display until they are gone!
Just got the A77II from Sony Netherlands yesterday. Time to test it. First AF tests show that its much faster then the “old” A77. Also much better AF in low light. Noise is far better controlled. That’s what I need with for instance my speedskating photography.
Good! Please write a review after that. Have a fun time with your new camera!