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At 7pm on Sunday (April 6) in Las Vegas Sony will announce the new Full Frame E-mount camera called “Sony A7s”. And according to one of our trusted sources it can record 4K video! Note: Today Sony announced a 4K partnerhsip with Fifa (more about it at Newsshooter). I am still not 100% sure yet if it will also feature the superb A6000 hybrid AF. But my guess is that the answer is YES and this could be the reason why it has the “S” suffix for “Speed” 🙂
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well done Sony, good addition to your lineup
main question is How much?
Nice job Sony! This camera is what we’ve been waiting for. Full frame, fast AF mirrorless. 4k video is just icing…
Maybe what you’ve been waiting for, but not me… Until they add ibis (or at least stabilise primes), fix the shutter noise, vibration and ghosting, I’ll stick with a-mount. Is e-mount the future? Potentially, and this is a good addition to the lineup – provided the a7/r teething issues are fixed.
Because SLT never had any ghosting issues? Fix the shutter noise, that would mean a bigger body. Lose half a stop due to SLT instead? Well there goes your IBIS…
Awesome! Any info about the bitrate?
So I was right about the 4K and I will be right about the A6000 AF. I feel this camera will have megapixels between the A7 AND A7R.
I was right as well, and megapixel will not be between the 2 camera but more likely 24mpx.
i don’t think they will develop a new sensor…
I think they HAVE to have a new sensor for 4K, seriously doubt either can do full readout
I wa right as well and think it will also have a built in sausage maker.
24 or 36MP? I WISH it was 36!
Now you could get pissed off and say there screwing over early adopters. Get used to it. This is the state of things in the camera industry. Sony must saturate the market with mirrorless cameras before the competition really catches up. It can’t afford to sit buy and watch, much like the alpha mount, sagging sales going no where. If this has amazing speed and 4K then what the heck is the point of an alpha mount. It’s just sitting there on life support.
I’ll say it again, it’s only a matter of time before they finally release a DSLR body styled full frame e-mount. It will happen sooner than later I think as well.
Between the early price drops on the A7/A7r and now this A7s, I feel like as an A7r early adopter that I’ve been gang anal raped by Sony at this point 😀 Sigh …
does it still hurt?
Don’t worry, you get use to the ass hurting. Just ask alpha users. That’s why the next and possibly last alpha cameras will will be packaged with vaseline.
hahahahaha! (Yeah hexx, still butthurt)
I never understand this POV. You have a camera that works. What if they announced a plan to replace every model every 6 months, would you stop buying cameras at all?
My 2 cents–
It might not stop a person from buying a camera at all, but that person might just buy the minimum camera that they require, instead of buying one that is beyond their current capabilities or requirements.
In my case, I haven’t bought a real body since the A850, but I have bought P&S’s, because they meet certain minimum requirements. And when you realize your minimum, lots of things begin to seem like superfluities that you don’t need, and that you then will not pay for.
So I can see how people would be less likely to buy newer, high-capability equipment based on this dynamic. Not coming out with a new body every couple of months, and not lowering the price on existing ones soon after release, eliminates the possibility of such a dynamic.
“And when you realize your minimum, lots of things begin to seem like superfluities that you don’t need, and that you then will not pay for.”
Well said, that’s what I’m learning as I back track into smaller formats. I don’t need a new camera every six months or even a year- hard reality to accept.
You argument strikes me as somewhat of a straw man. Buying a camera satisfying minimum requirements or exceeding current ones has nothing to see with release frequency, but with a relatively objective knowledge of said requirements. Also, you don’t take into account newcomers or the evolution of technology.
Reductio ad infinitum: If they replaced the camera every week, would everyone be pissed off? Yes. If they replaced the camera every year, would everyone still be pissed? Not really. So – where is the tipping point?
For me, “Every few months” is far too soon, when we’re talking a $3,000+ investment here. Also, the huge price drop – besides just the quickness aspect – basically says “We reamed you on the original price, because we can afford to drop the price this much and still sell them”. I don’t really appreciate being gouged by Sony.
Why should a buyer of a high resolution camera feel cheated by the release of a camera meant for high speed and video work? Two different sets of use cases, just like Nikon D800 and D4.
And price drops are dictated by the market (lower sales than projected beforehand), not part of some plan to screw over early adopters.
It may not be the plan, but it can be an unintended effect.
I posted my comment before the followup SAR post that said it would only be 12 megapixels. I was thinking the A7s would basically be an A7r only with 4K, which (while knowing it’s coming eventually, obviously) was infuriating to contemplate.
I disagree. Rather than spam us with bodies, they need to be targeted for a purpose and matched with a decent range of lenses and accessories. At this rate there’ll be more FE bodies than lenses within the next year.
Go buy a Canon, they never do this because their cameras never really change. Oh except they did do it once, it’s called the 1DC and cost a whopping 7 grand more than the otherwise identical body… and how many lenses have Canon released in the last 6 months? How many 36+MP cameras? Any innovation at all? Enjoy.
Fuji has done a much better job with lens development. Canon makes great glass, but you’re right in that innovation is clearly not their priority, but then Sony must realize their competition at this time isn’t Canon – it’s Fuji, Olympus and Panasonic.
dude, fuji is the most awfull brand for video ever,,,, Tons of line skiping no controls over video etc…
I totally agree. The video quality out of Fuji isn’t competitive, but still quality is fantastic.
Hope it’ll use a decent codec , I know ProRes is too much to hope for, they’ll probably use the consumer XAVC-S version of their codec
Most likely 150mb/s then which is quiet high compression 4k wise
a possibility, but there is also a chance they’ll use XAVC, which is 400 mbps.
Andrea, you messed up your time zones and dates 😉
yep
GH4 killer, although I hope they change the control layout on the A7 to be more video oriented
I hope…
wonder what the price point will be…
maybe should have been called A7v
i just hope that now we have (at looks like it) clear idea about the lineup (standard, high res, video) that Sony will stop releasing cameras every 6 months and will focus on lens development and camera updates every 18-24 months instead.
If there is really the A6000-AF this is a kick in the teeth for all A7-(R) Buyers in the world. Shame on you Sony…
You made a slight mistake. Let me fix this for you:
“Kick in the BALLS”- there you go.
there are lady shooter too
You’re right Terry, we all pay for development, but not for a revolution in 6 month! !!
Hardly a revolution.
This camera with probably not have the resolution of A7R and might very well cost more.
Your choice maybe 4K/speed OR pure resolution for stills, not both. A6000 AF remains to be seen of course.
Nailed it.
It’s obvious that A7/R/S are three carefully differentiated models. Why should one of them be considered an insult to buyers of the other two?
Why? More expensive than A7 and lower res than A7R. Or more expensive than both… it’s life, get over it.
It is painful. isn’t it!?
As an owner of an A7-(R), this statement is ridiculous. Technology advances rapidly, and it’s fantastic that Sony is ahead of the curve.
The rumored FF 32mpx sensor = 4 x 8mpx of 4K video. Would a full sensor readout be possible in a tiny body like this? Also 32mpx is almost 33mpx of 8K video, so this makes me doubt it.
4K requires a 10MP sensor at 3:2 aspect, 8MP is what you need for 16:9. So a 4x sensor (8K) to down sample would need to be 40MP. They might use a crop like Panasonic, or might pixel bin (they do this on the FS100 3MP – 2MP and RX10 5K – 1080p or AX100 5K – 4K).
And so the headlong rush into vast quantities of data continues!
If this does shoot 4K it will need very large memory cards with all the incumbent paraphernalia needed for transfer, handling, and storage. Apart from full studio professional use it will be a nightmare!
Other than that, it’s just bragging rights….
Thats part of pro video, same thing happened with 1080p when it was pushed out.
Storage is so cheap now, its hardly and issue.
please tell me where you you get cheap 512gb SD cards +500mb/s read write.
A. my point was Pro Video is expense (ridiculously so compared to Photography) and that is a part of doing business
and
B. For the codec on this thing a 512 card isn’t needed, the UHS-I cards are eq. 750Mbps, more than fast enough and they come as big as 128GB
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1016077-REG/pny_technologies_p_sdx128u1h_ge_128gb_elite_sdxc_uhs_1_card.html
this cam is not going to shoot raw, you’re talking 400 Mbps bit rate tops
The new UHS-II cards are 2000 Mbps as well.
your point A is ridiculous. you can make all the comparisons you want. it has nothing to do with storage.
your point B shows that storage is expensive and that SD cards are outdated and extremely slow.
and actually SD cards come as big as 256gb which is still insufficiency not 128gb.
30min of uncompressed 4k video is about 120gb. clearly absurd for just one day of shooting. also at 90mb/read (the BEST you can currently get) transferring that data takes about 22 minutes. multiply that by several cards.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/831331-REG/Sony_SR_512S25_SR_512S25_SRMemory_Card_512GB.html
that card for example has 512gb which is about 128minutes of video that can be transferred in just about 3.5 minutes. or 120gb in about 25seconds.
It’s also cheap, costs more than the A7s will cost. not to mention you get can even get 1Tb cards and that there’s other similar formats with similar performances and prices.
“Storage is so cheap now, its hardly and issue.”
hum hum sure.
Based on your other posts all you want to do is whine like a baby.
There are easy and relatively cheap ways to work with 4K, if you took as much time researching as working through it instead of trolling online you might be a little happier.
so you have facts to support your arguments. thanks for trolling bye.
I am so happy for this right now, there aren’t words for it.
Was really hoping for a low-megapixel sports camera. Will the video quality be better than a7/r? or just higher resolution?
Should be a lot better
I actually wouldn’t be surprised if the camera ends up being useful for sports. If video is the primary concern for this camera they’ll probably put a smaller sensor to get better low light performance and have the camera do less number crunching. I wouldn’t be surprised to see either a 16Mpx sensor (and probably exactly twice the resolution of 4k) or maybe even just an 8Mpx sensor like the Canon cinema cameras.
Lots of the improvements needed for fast AF and burst rate are similar to the things you need for better video, so it might end up being a better camera for sports. That said, it might be a while before mirorless tech catches up to the 1DX and D4… I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Sony put an insane price tag on the thing considering it’s a niche product and to protect their dedicated video cameras, kind of like the Canon 1DC.
I hope this camera contains 16~18Mp with higher ISO performance
and they will not affect A7 and A7R
because with hyper-AF will represent a total new sensor.
A cheaper one (A7) for avg Joe, a high resolution for landscape (A7R) and speed / 4K but lower res for those who need it (A7S).
As I recall, I can get 4k on a $400 GoPro …
But at a very low frame rate, no? At least with a very much smaller sensor. However, view of the fact that even most new smartphones have 4k recording, any future “dedicated” camera should support it.
Lol….sure “4k” with about 650 lines of resolution!
At 12fps… Not exactly useful.
Not to mention on a tiny sensor with fixed lens at extreme WA.
Shoot, man. The AS100v XAVCs @50mbps 1080p will make GOPro’s 4k look like claymation in comparison.
I hope Sony will get more adopters with this camera, especially if they announces a few additional FE lenses too. Maybe it will be 16Mpix for good 4K recording (multiple of 8Mpix), but 32Mpix would make it simply amazing. I do not care that I recently got an A7, it just means that in a year or two we will have cameras raping DSLRs 😉
I bet this will be more than 2000 euros… A7 is in the 1350€ mark… and at launch I guess it was 1700 but this camera because of 4k it won´t be cheap (they have more expensive cameras to protect so in order to get the 4k I wouldnt mind to have xavc-s with only the 60 and the 100mbps variants and no hdmi out on 4k just to be cheaper… Panasonic GH4 is 1500 but this is a full frame sensor at 4k which is unique…
AX100 is $500 more than the otherwise identical CX900, the $500 buys 4K. The Panasonic GH4 is a bit over $500 more than the quite similar GH3 is nowadays, but has some other improvements besides the 4K… Considering 4K only really requires some beefed up processing and a sensor that supports that kind of readout it shouldn’t be ‘that’ much more expensive.
Except for the fact that this sensor is full-frame, which could easily put it at $1k over the price of an A7r even. Everything is different with these bigger sensors. The needs are greater in power, cooling (however they intend to do it), processing, it all extrapolates; and this very much contributes to cost.
Yah, I really see this hitting the 3K mark. I’m really interested to see what this camera is going to be like, there has been alot of conflicting rumor about the 3-4k price bracket in video cameras.
I bet it will be much more, my bet is about double the GH4’s price IF it can deliver high video quality like the GH4, if not, it will a bit less, but not by much.
Not so unique, the 1D-C from Canon was launched at $12K and it’s FF 4K.
Only one question. How much, Uncle Scrooge? Sorry. Uncle Sony.
please have the new AF and 36MP. I will buy straight away.
36MP on APSC sensor size, no thank you!
its full frame
Then it is OK 🙂
If it can does 4k video, it has potential of high speed af like A6000.
Because the sensor read-out speed is there, and it could have same processor or better than A6000
Finally a 4k cameras for video and its The damn E-mount. but i guess soon a A-mount 4k will show up soon 😀 so ready to buy that
It’s understandable, though. There are so many E-mount camcorders (not the least of which are the FS series) that it makes perfect sense that E-mount gets the first 4K privilege. The architecture already exists and so does a very strong, very supportive user base.
The main reason is to be able to adapt any mount and as videographers will most likely use manual focus, there would be far more lenses to use with it than A-mount.
Id go so far as to say that even when 4K comes to A-mount the E-mount cams will always have better video.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if the new F-series cameras come out as E-mount either. Since Cine lens are being released in E-mount as well as PL mount/EF mount
I am curious. It needs a small megapixel count, let’s say 16MP and 1.3x crop mode just like the Canon 1DC so it does not need resampling.
Otherwise it will overheat like crazy in that small body, not to mention battery life. Still it looks really interesting if it is really an all-in-one hybrid mirrorless camera. It will cost a lot though.
1.3 crop isn’t full frame
Down scaling (as opposed to down sampling where data is thrown away and aliasing is introduced) is not a problem and should result in BETTER and sharper video since Bayer sensors don’t capture full color at each photo site. Bionz is more than capable of down scaling but as you mention heat and also sensor read speed are issues. The A7r sensor is just slower
who cares?!?!??? WANT LENSES FIRST!
Sony doesn’t know that they need lenses… hahahaha…
A99 successor can’t wait until the end of the year. It needs to come out now. If they are so worried about loosing ground with either 4K or faster AF then they need to show the same sense of urgency with the A- mount. Not next month, next later this year….NOW.
It’s so obvious what they are doing. They’re hoping alpha shooters will break under the pressure and just buy an e-mount camera. This way they hope they can double dip when an alpha camera is FINALLY released and A shooters buy that as well. Not going to happen.
true Not gona happen, i am sooo soo tired of the E-mount the Camera r great but the lens suck!! i would Never get a f4 lens, it basically is useless at night , even 2.8 has some difficulty
Then you’ll never buy a zoom lens, in which case the f/4 complaint is moot for you, don’t you think? Full frame 1.8 zooms may happen eventually but you’ll need to own your own gold mine when they arrive as they will NOT be cheap. They’ll be in video lens territory at that point: $20k easily.
there is many f2.8 for 70 to 200 and they work perfect, and i can live with the f4 when it comes to the 70 to 400, but when it comes to like a 24-70 they have to be F2.8
I was saying such because you had implied (correctly) that even 2.8 lenses have issues in extreme low light. I agree. Which is why zooms aren’t really built for that kind of work unless they’re the latest in bright t-stop lenses from Zeiss or Fujinon… the rest of us just use bright primes.
brother i know ! i have primes to!! my point was for every day use a f4 lens is useless, f2.8 zoom such as 27-70 zeiss that i have , and the sony f2.8 70-200 II that i have are in a range that i can use them with in low light, but if i need more i take out my primes 1.4 and 1.8
I can agree with this. Even 2.8 isn’t all that great indoors or low light if you plan on no flash. I’ve encounter this problem often…for that it’s faster primes every time.
yup f2.8 is acceptable ,but not great in low light
sorry to disappoint you but a sony spokesman said in an interview that they will focus on smaller lenses with stabilizers. so no luck for you. just check previous posts about an interview.
It’s just not possible to build a F2.8 lens with stabilizer for about the same size and weight of a F4.
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=sony_fe_28-70_3p5-5p6&products=sony_zeiss_fe_24_70_4p0_za_oss&products=tamron_24-70_2p8&products=canon_24-70_2p8_ii&products=sigma_24-70_2p8_hsm&products=canon_24-70_2p8&products=nikon_28-70_2p8&sortDir=ascending
by the way any one here who Has the sony A7 with its on sensor 117 Phase Detection points and used the la-ea4 adapter on it with A-mount glass ?? and if so do we still get to use the 117 phase detections points from the sensor or will it only use the LA-EA4 15-point TTL phase detection system with 3 cross sensors, or will it use both the AF points from the sensor and from the LA-EA4?
Fahad, the LAEA4 takes over AF entirely and does not allow the 117point pdaf to play.
oh man that sucks 🙁 coz i have used the LAEA3 is its very slow, but for example the a99 have on sensor AF points , and i am able to use both the on sensor AF and from the mirror, i was hoping it would be the same for the a7 with the adapter 🙁
Well the LAEA4 isn’t slow, at least. The PDAF maybe grouped tight to the center but it most certainly isn’t slow.
well the LAEA4 is same as the LAEA3, and it is slower compared to the 117 phase detection points 😉
Oh heck no. The LAEA3 has no built in AF whatsoever, relying solely on the camera. The LAEA4 provides a much faster AF system than the A7r has natively. Much. I use it daily. I promise you this is so. And it is waaay faster in lowlight than the A7.
sorry sorry i was talking about LAEA2 not 3 lol the LAEA2 is basically same as the LAEA4 but its for crop sensor
LAEA4 has a new slt mirror, much better, and the PDAF has been tweaked. It’s an improvement over the LAEA2.
they might have tweaked it a bit, but its the same hardware
This is LAEA4 specs
Focus Control
Focus Points : 15-point AF system with 3 cross sensors
AF Modes : Continuous AF, Single-shot
Focus System : TTL phase detection system
This is LAEA2 Specs
Focus Control
Focus Points : 15-point AF system with 3 cross sensors
AF Modes : Continuous AF, Single-shot
Focus System : TTL phase detection system
Sony Xperia Z2 has 4k 🙂
16mp sensor and 4k video seems like a more likely scenario for the Sony A7s.
8mp would mean full sensor pixel readout for 4k. That would be hot.
Panasonic uses a 16MP sensor plus the full readout before using 2:1 pixel to transform it in 4K and so far it looks great, far better than any other stills camera that does video, or even the FF Canon 1D-C for what it matters.
If there is no down sampling then less processing is needed and thus less heat. This could be one way that Sony has alleviated the thermal constraints of the a7/r. Heat also tends to add sensor noise.
Sony could probably use an approx. 12mp 4×3 sensor and use a 16×9 portion of it for 8mp / 4k readout without any sampling or line skipping (the math is rough).
The heat issue is not processor related, it’s just the constant use of the sensor – something that doesn’t happen to stills -, all of that you are saying is something done after the raw data is output by the sensor. The main problem is how to dissipate the heat from the sensor, not processor.
I don’t think Sony will go with less MP, they never do, Sony only goes high MP count. Knowing that their most advanced sensor is the one on the A7R, that’s a possibility, unless they revamped the 24MP one. But I can’t see Sony going 16MP in a stills FF camera, even if that makes more sense. And forget about 8MP, they would only make a 8MP camera if it was primarily for video.
Check out the latest SAR post, who called it?
It’s good to see Sony going with what makes sense, that’s just so rare. And a 12MP does have 4K by 3K and with less pixels the full readout is better which avoids even more rolling shutter. So it’s a matter of price and codec now. I did write, times ago about some stuff Sony could do and that would help them take the FF video market from the lazy Canon, but after a while I simply gave up since Sony almost never listen to consumers, they were always too market AND marketing driven, big numbers, big everything but not so big in actual delivering. Good to see them actually caring about quality and making sense, hopefully they can start doing that on other areas, which includes lenses.
that’s essentially the sensor out of the FS700, which is a possibility. But not something Id suspect in an “a7”
No. The GH4 makes an 8.9 megapixel crop of ots sensir for 4K. At 4K mode its sensor size is actually equivelent to the BMCC at 2.3X vs FF35. It does NOT do full read out of its entire m43 sensor, rather a 1:1!pixel record of its center just like what the 1DC is doing. Thats why its 4K video looks like its still.
with 10fps, it’ll be perfect ! 16MP is enought
Hmm, it’s mean 1080p @120fps too, nope ?
Cheeky basts. The Bionz X can do a 5K stream they could have put this in the current A7/7R … unless the hardware has changed (dual Bionz X etc) or overheating control etc.
Exactly! Although I think the downscaling the A7r would have been a stretch. While it would be cool to get the fabled 32mpix sensor. I predict an A7 with different software and maybe tweaked with more AF points.
With 24MP you could at least take 3 sensor columns to generate 2 pixels, no weird fractions while making use of the full sensor. 32MP would be ~6900px wide, hard to use without line skipping and the associated drawbacks.
The A7 would definitely have overheating issues dealing with 4K video, they made it so small that it can barely have a proper shutter – and because of that the shutter is so loud and slow.
Just wait! 🙂
This is unbelievable 🙂
I don’t resent Sony releasing another A7 body. The strategy makes sense in many ways. I am a little frustrated because I believe with the faster sensor read out and Bionz X processor the A7 could at least do scaled vs down sampled 1080p but the A7r prob can’t. I could see Sony crippling the A7 software wise to preserve the appeal of the A7r and now the A7s. Personally I don’t really need 4k but I could see myself picking up an a7s based on the IQ and price.
Supposedly the original a7 could do 4k but it causes it to overheat.
This camera is a direct shot by Sony aimed right between the eyes of Panisonic and their new GH4. This is Sony’s “GH4 Killer”
Big questions now are:
How will it match the GH4’s codecs?
Will it have XAVC-S 8 bit 60p?
Will it have it’s HDMI crippled?
In what other ways will Sony cripple this A7S to protect it’s pro video cameras?
Whoa,…this is HUGE news!!
My Sony AX100 is going back to Best Buy today!
I’d wait on that impulse return just in case lol
Well?…if this A7S turns out to be a “dud”…than we can certainly go back to Best Buy and buy the AX100 all over again. 😉
I’m with you on that. I just got the AX100 last week and now it’s going right back!
It will certainly be more expensive than the GH4 and I don’t think Sony is ready to commit to it and deliver their best codec so it can match the GH4’s quality, unless, of course, it’s way expensive than people would anticipate.
Even so, Panasonic is using full readout and 2:1 pixel to turn it into 4K, it’s a very intelligent way of delivering 4K from a higher pixel count sensor. By EOSHD initial tests the video quality matches the still’s quality basically, something totally unheard before.
And will it have the same flexibility Panasonic offers with their badly-named YAGH interface? But as Sony has more marketing power this may sell well and possibly better than the GH4.
I think Sony is trying to repeat what Canon did with the 5DmkII here, except with 4K instead of the 1080p. This will be good.
This is a bigger Canon EOS 1D C killer but I will cancel my GH4 pre-order 😉
I think this isn’t a “GH4 Killer” for the very reasons you brought up. It won’t match the GH4’s codec (certainly not the bit rate), it very likely won’t do 60P, the video sharpness/detail won’t be on par with the GH4 (due to all the reasons already talked about below), and the audio options likely won’t be as functional/easy to work with. Though, I think the HDMI out will be a clean 8 bit 4:2:0.
I’m excited to see what Sony has up it’s sleeve, but it’ll be a different camera. The stills quality will be way better than the GH4’s, while the video quality will inversely worse when compared to the GH4. Not a particular fan of either brand, btw.
The XLR-K1M adapter brings to the table a variety of audio compatibility. They won’t be as crippled in audio as you think. Also, I expect a 3.5mm jack as well.
I hoped for the touchscreen: I won’t buy a camera without it until reliable neuro interface will be implemented, I was fed up with the A7 I forced to sell due to bad operativity.
You have low standards…Only wireless neuro will do it for me.
Funny to see it from the a guy who really thinks sony make good cameras 😉
The neurotransmitters to you sarcasm detector not working today?
I wouldn’t have bought it if it had touchscreen. Useless piece of technology in a camera, especially one with such short battery life to start with.
You base your camera purchases on a touch screen?!?…
Yes. I said I was forced to sell it. I’m not buying into sony optics, thus I am MF guy.
I think in a hybrid/video oriented camera a touchscreen is a nice thing for rack focusing. Add to that the video fosus speed option from A6000 and many consumers who don’t want to focus manually would be happy.
sigh…why do they keep releasing so many camera bodies? They should be releasing lenses for E-mount (both APS-C and FF) and A-mount. New lenses and accesories.
Bodies are much easier to make so that is one of the reasons but I don’t like this at all. They should just have waited and just made the A7s the A7 instead of another version so soon.
That would have made the A7 more expensive. A7 is supposed to be an affordable general purpose camera, A7R is specialised towards landscape, studio and other high resolution work, and A7S is specialised towards high fps and video work. Frankly, all enthusiast and pro bodies should come in these three varieties, so there’s a body for everyone. Better than one body that tries to do everything, because that rarely works.
So, is this A7s the same camera you thought was probably coming out at 5-6 months from now, likely at Photokina (http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-new-full-frame-e-mount-cameras-to-be-launched-within-the-next-5-6-months-likely-at-photokina/)?
Or is this A7s camera different from that rumored for Photokina?
I don’t think Sony is aiming at the GH4, it’s aiming at the 5D from Canon as the FF stll camera for video, so similar price should be expected, which is double the GH4’s price. But for people really wanting video, I think that the GH4+Speed Booster will deliver much more for much less.
It’d go after both. The GH4 is a superb multi-media camera with fantastic video functionality. But as a stills camera a GH4’s sensor “look” just doesn’t cut it in the professional arena. Plus, if you follow the video/filmmaking market there is still more interest in a super-35 or FF sensor for their aesthetic qualities reference video too. I think Sony would be very smart to offer a lower (16mp) resolution, featuring the new A6000 AF and 4K video. All this in a very nimble stills shooting camera body!
But that’s why I said GH4+Speed Booster, because of the Super35 size.
It’s got nothing to do with “lens speed” its got to do image aesthetic, larger sensors have a “different aesthetic.”
You do know that the Speed Booster is a focal length reducer, right? It turns the m4/3 into a Super35, besides the extra stop of light, so it does have exactly the same aesthetic of a Super35.
It approximates super35 AND it adds aberrations AND it softens the edges. It’s nothing that cannot be approximated in software. Its not a magic bullet.
Taking an extremely good sensor like the GH4’s @ 4K then adding Panasonic’s best glass AND then a speed booster and you will actually see then negative effects of the speed booster. Do this on the GH4 ” with a still” and you will definitely see negative effects. You MAY get away with a speed booster on a 1080p timeline — but its a whole different thing >4K!
I’m not trying to bash Panasonic here. I just think we need to be honest and accurate. Sony have rightly been called to task for their less than stellar DSLR video. Its soft. Its riddled with “nasties.” So why on earth would we want to take an apparently beautiful 4K image out of the GH4 and make it soft and add nasties by introducing foreign (unmatched) optics into the optical system? We wouldn’t! The GH4 is what it is, a cracking sub-35mm sensor 4K camera. Sony (hopefully soon) will have a cracking FF 35mm 4K camera. I wouldn’t want to shoot a documentary on a FF 35mm sensor. For that I’d want the GH4. Conversely, I wouldn’t want to shoot portraits (as I do) on a sub-35mm sensor. An Ox can plow twice as much per day as a horse – but I’d want a horse for daily transportation.
The SpeedBooster’s tests show pretty good quality with stills, which has much more pixels than 4K video and this has nothing to do with with what we were dicussing anyway, which is the aesthetic of a Super35 not IQ, it’s like you are changing the subject. Plus, the GH4 4K frame has a bigger crop, which should also help in its case giving it an extra room for breathe.
It’s the complete “look” of an image I’m referring to here. We can take the 110mm f/2 Zeiss on a Hasselblad and get a certain aesthetic. Then we can take the old 5D & 85 f1.2 and get pretty close to the look of that Zeiss. But as experience shows us the 85 @ f/1.2 is somewhat plagued with aberrations wide-open and that negatively effects the overall aesthetic. It’s like adding a doubler to a telephoto. Is the doubler going to effect the edge performance. What about flare? What about aberrations?
Nobodies trying to change the subject here, its an interesting topic. But I’m sure you’d want those with less knowledge than yourself to be properly informed as to the pros & cons of both systems?
As to Speed Booster’s results with stills, the M43 sensor is somewhat poor at the wider end as it is, the wide glass has to be very fast to compare aesthetically with FF 35mm and there in lies the rub — it gets hard to correct, somewhat impossible for video. Add in another piece of glass (Speed Booster) and the nasties are only magnified.
Now, if someone was a wildlife shooter, someone who shot a great deal on longer lenses then I’d say buy the Panasonic GH4. In that environment the smaller sensor is a huge plus, there it takes on a lovely aesthetic, more depth & better corrected glass (it’s easier to design middle range lenses). But <85mm you will struggle immensely with M43 if you are the type who shoots 24, 35, 50 & 85mm @ f/2. Note I said f/2 — at f/1.4 & especially f/1.2 even the very best primes become somewhat of a handful (without additional added glass).
To be quite honest, I'd love nothing more than a nice compact M43 kit for what I do, but it just doesn't give me the look I want without shooting everything at f/.95 and at such apertures there is no predicability as to the look you will get under any given condition. My old 85 f/1.2 had a lovely look to it @ f/2 but the newer FE Zeiss 55 is hands-down better @ f/1.8 is just has a better/cleaner look, it's very well corrected.
Apologies for the ramble — hopefully someone will be able to make sense of it all! (:-)
your a newb dude, it does not turn a tiny sensor into full frame sensor.. just apsc in terms of light and no increase in dynamic range.
APS-C in terms of light, that’s basically what he said. He never mentioned full frame, so what are you on about? Super 35 is not the same as 35mm, it’s closer to APS-C.
Pee Pee, you are just a stupid moron who needs to get slapped really really really hard
thats bullshit, if you put a speedbooster into a m4/3 camera it turns it in a apsc sensor not full frame…
Do you even know how to read? Did I write FullFrame? No I didn’t. Can you read Super35? Do you know that Super35 and APS-C have about the same size?
Will have to wait and see. Sony seems to rely on market shock. 4K gets the headlines but they never seem to put together a total package. Something obvious will will be missing. But here is to hoping.
Thank you nattering nabob of negativity.
Actually the problem sony has had with their video enabled cameras is that they always seem to be trying to cripple certain aspects of them to insure they don’t cannibalize their camcorder market… Frankly all I would want video wise is a global shutter, I could care less about 4k, just eats up more space… I’m not making movies for Hollywood so 4k is just overkill.
could NOT care less
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw&index=2&list=FLfKcqmqxYCv2T80g9_2040g
Well, don’t buy it if you don’t need it. There is a zillion of videographers which are waiting for this cam.
Canon just came out with an instant $2,000 rebate on the 4K EOS 1D C after Panasonic came out with the $1,700 price on the 4K GH4 so now they will have to add another $2,000 rebate 😉
Ha haaaa!
More like a $8,000 rebate.
CANON / NIKON is marching in to ditch …
if this is true, I hope to see old A7 bodies at bargain prices soon! 😀
ahh, and you think that some will sell a 36 mpix to swap with a 12 mpix. If you look what one sells best, A7 or A7R, you will see that the high pixel count one leads the plot. So, those people wil probably buy a second A7S if they need one, but certainly no one will downgrade to a lower resolution. So, keep dreaming.
while they bring 4k, we might also get higher framerates in 1080p. Should handly up to 120fps as 4k is 4x bigger, so 1080p is 4x faster. Would be a dreamcam for 2000 bucks
Sony is on top of SAR! We get rumors 24-48 hours in advance! More SR1-4 please! This is boring. Lokal Sony people talked about this several days ago. Sorry Admin you are in the cold!
If you have such a plethora of useful information, maybe shoot Andrea an email.
Lenses, please.
12 mp seems about righ on a FF sensor for video, but for stills 😡
This cam will be for video for stills get your self A7R
I am surprised how many wiseacres is around. They should apply for engineering jobs at SONY Comp. …