I can confirm via multiple trusted sources that Sony will launch new Full Frame E-mount cameras within the next 5-6 months. I guess it means they will be launched right before the Photokina September show. NONE(!) of them will be a replacement of the current A7 and A7r models. All we know for sure about these new models is that they will have an advanced hybrid AF system similar to what we got inside the newly announced Sony A6000.
The surprises: I can already tell you that there will be many more cameras in the months to come (RX and Alpha and E-mount). I am working on those rumors right now….be patient 😉
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Any news on planned lenses? (both FE and APC-S)
Seems to me that the lens team are better at keeping secrets than the body teams.
Well the FE35 got leaked long before the A7 did.
Yes, well there are always exception to the rule.
Mostly bods leaks are more common then lens leaks.
I still wounded why.
Sony is selling bodies while they hope others will do their work and release lenses if they sell enough bodies 😀
Yeah yeah yeah, heard it all before. Sony will have every lens I need/want this year. The next year will just be gravy.
So basically your response boils down to “I’m all right jack”.
And the answer to your question is that the next 3 lenses will be an ultra wide, a fast prime and a macro. The 2 other lenses for this year are unknown.
Grrrrrr ! from a new a7r owner!
Get used to being shafted very soon after your purchase. 😉
How is this being shafted? It’s called technology. Innovation moves at a violently rapid pace. Would you rather that they just sit on all of the improvements for 2 years so as to make you happy with your purchases?
You are mistaken if you think that Sony doesn’t sit on technology and drip feed it to generate camera new sales over a longer term.
I would of course prefer Sony to release stable cameras with longer periods in the market that they then build a system around while supplying regular firmware updates to loyal customers. Sony’s idea of a firmware update is buy a new camera if you want the bugs fixing.
If you prefer your expensive purchase to be unsupported after a year, good for you.
You make a good point in that they do likely “drip feed” advancements to us, but nonetheless it appeared that you were complaining about changes happening so soon after release. To that, I simply responded that it was better than not at all. Indeed, I generally wait until the ‘2nd edition’ of a device (any device) before I purchase it in order to minimize buyer’s remorse.
Meanwhile, as to your comment about Sony’s lackluster firmware updates: I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE!
Well, the faster autofocus would surely be very welcomed improvement for the e-mount FF cameras line.
My guess, A5 will be a 5T replacement with FF sensor (like what has been patented) and new menus, same sensor as A7. And A9 will be a bigger, better grip, faster A7 type body with new hybrid sensor, better weather sealing and faster AF/fps etc, maybe 4K video. Priced at $1000-1100 for the A5 and $3000 for the A9.
Admin: Sony AU have discontinued the A99 battery grip and are selling them off at $49 from the AU Sony store, don’t know what this means for A99. A99 + BG + F60 seems to still be ongoing.
hope you are right!
Just like this, I guess.
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hopefully so. Some variety of FF e-mount body are always welcomed
I want a wider lens selection… I am still waiting for an 85mm 1.8 OSS or 90mm 2 OSS or 135mm 2 OSS before I consider buying the A7 :3
Sony systems need more bodies than lenses, so give them a chance to catch up.
There are more bodies than lenses available right now by Sony!?
There are two bodies (very close to being identical) and 5 lenses… but hey, it’s easy to make these jabs, doesn’t need to have any basis on facts.
Sense of humour transplant required….
Yes..good 3rd party lenses are readily availabe.
Something nice in 32mp and $650 or under A mount C would be real good
the problem is that for me there need to be lenses first before I seriously start to invest money in a good body. Without the right lenses I feel I can wait years until I get the lens that I want. And a 85 or 90mm native lens is not that unusual to have in their lens lineup :3
Que up the usual A-mount outrage people….
If Sony can provide a satisfactory route to E-Mount for those with an extensive collection of A-Mount lenses, then I think it would be very welcome. The two key issues are lack of IBIS and support for native Hybrid AF. Of course you can use an adapter, but to do so requires the compromise of lack of stabilisation and the use of an SLT.
Given the limitation of the throat diameter on E-Mount, IBIS on E-Mount may never be possible. However, it’s possibly to conceive of a short-registration camera which supports E-Mount and A-Mount via some form of adaption technology. Of course this has been mooted via the so-called hybrid mount, although my feeling is that this can only be achieved with physical adapters for E-Mount and A-mount.
So I await progress here as I’d rather like the flexibility of having a very short registration distance without having to compromise on lack of IBIS and be forced to use an SLT-based adapter to support AF.
I’d be happy using an E-mount dSLR sized camera, if as you say it doesn’t cripple A-mount lenses and/or CAF. I’d welcome the chance to adapt “odd” lenses onto such a “dSLR” type body, indeed I have been tempted on occasion by a second body such as NEX and have looked at the A7/R.
I am not opposed to E-mount, I just want my cake and eat it!
Agreed. I’m pretty sure that it’s possible to engineer such a systems camera. However, CAF may be a bit of a stretch for the “screwdriver” lenses as it tends to involve a bit of fine-grade hunting round the focus point, and you get problems with driveline “backlash”. However, there is a slight glimmer in the form of hybrid PAF/CAF, so it might yet be possible.
If you had invested thousands in A-mount I think you’d be a bit outraged too.
Who told you to put money in to half baked lens line up? Your problems were there the first time you pulled your wallet out and now you’re angry at others? Deal with it.
What an idiotic, not to say condescending, post. Firstly, A-Mount dates back to the Minolta 7000 and some of us have used the mount ever since. At the time, that was state-of-the art, being the first proper AF mount.
Secondly, If you are going to abandon such people, you will alienate a group of loyal customers. You may consider such individuals as victims of their own stupidity, but I rather think Sony will want to retain them, and it’s in their interests to find a way to do so.
So you have been waiting for the lenses you need since 1985 and haven’t done anything other than whining and pumping more money in to A mount for another 30 years?
Yes, not just Sony but every manufacturer wants moronic followers like that.
It’s OK – we get it. You get your kicks from inventing swear word homophes to use as forum names and pissing people off through insults. Miss bullying the smart kids at school do you?
Anyway, to take the point at face value, I’m not short of lenses for A-mount, but you’re clearly not up to understanding that issue.
Well some of us Minolta users remember the promises Sony made. Funnily enough they are still making those promises years later, but not actually delivering yet.
If you spend thousands of dollars based on vague “promises” by a tech company you need to put that money towards getting psychiatric help.
“Who told you to put money in to half baked lens line up?” – if it’d be that simple E-mount wouldn’t have any users what so ever with it’s few lenses here and there, but nothing I would call a “line up”.
No. E mount users are happy with what they’ve got. Occasional whiners here aren’t owners any way.
If A mount didn’t have the lenses you wanted, why did you put more money in to it? Isn’t that stupidity?
The troll that never sleeps. ;^)
Haven’t noted any of the said outrage you are trying to stir up. SAR has made it pretty clear a-mount fans can expect probably 3 bodies in the relatively near future.
E-mount ASP-C fans appear to be the most concerned, particularly those hoping for a NEX-7 upgrade. The only decent body Sony is offering those serious amateurs and pros is the more mid-range a6000.
Andrea, will one of the new FF E-mount cameras have a monochrome sensor?
No. One will be a water color sensor and the other will use oil… like Nikon.
I am not sure yet. Don’t think so…
“NONE(!) of them will be a replacement of the current A7 and A7r models” – are they going to be at higher or lower segment?
Let’s hope for both.
Hasn’t the A7(r) not just been released in reasonable numbers? Why do they replace them so quick? I hate it when manufacturers think of expensive products as as fast cycling throw-away gadgets. The life cycle and support of a $1k+ gadget should be at least 2 years.
the article mentioned that it won’t replace the A7(r)
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. It’s looking pretty crowded with all those FF E-mount bodies.
Ah, sorry. Misread NONE with ONE 😀
Then, I’m pretty sure, it will be priced between the A7 and the A7r.
I for one welcome our mirrorless overlords
Guess we know how they’re fixing the light leak…
Indeed. These new bodies will be the firmware releases for the A7/R too, I hope A7/R guys aren’t waiting for new firmware releases like us A77 guys have been, the A77II is an expensive way to get firmware. 😉
Please SONY, make a FF e-mount without the HUMP and in a 5N styled body!
your wish is granted!
Lol..
He he hem A7000 here we come! 😀
another e-mount, enough is enough. sony should start making alpha stuff, like 35mm1.8 851.8 etc at reasonable prices. plus give us an aps-c camera that is good for in high iso.
What’s wrong with the 35/1.8? For the price I’d be amazed if you could beat it.
You already have an excellent and cheap 85 2.8 and even a 35 1.8 for APS-C.
If they will be announced at Photokina it means they will ship in the first quarter of 2015 (if Sony delays things like they delay the release of the FE lenses).
My guess is that the first one (let’s call it A5) will be a A6000 with ff sensor. In other wordls, a rangefinder style camera with ff sensor. Fuji is rumored to realese something like this so it’s a good move from Sony.
The second one (let’s call it A9) will be a high-end professional ff that will want to compete with the likes of the D4s but will have 4k video. It will be very expensive! But the lack of f2.8 zooms won’t attract sports shooters even if it will have the best AF and CAF in the ff world.
Sony ship bodies about a month after announcement.
I’d like to see an A9 compete with the GH4 rather than the D4s – there’s nothing evolutionary about a D4s.
This makes me excited for the next RX camera.
Yes, waiting for that one too.
APS-C… make it APS-C…
i was just thinking that it would be nice for the a6000 to have a fullframe mirrorless equivalent. this is exciting. 🙂
That might be the a77II
I get the Sony marketing department feeding SAR some propaganda about new e-mount FFs not replacing the A7/A7r but it makes little sense (outside an obvious play not to scare off current potential customers) and, IMHO, is inconsistent with Sony’s vision as outlined in yesterday’s chart. By Sony’s own analysis, the pyramid of customers FFs are targeted at is near the peak and pretty narrow. Stuffing 4 bodies on the e-mount side of that graph (not to mention probably 2 a-mounts) at a time they’re consolidating bodies in the mid-range where a lot more buyers are, IMHO, is unlikely and Sony marketing just smoking up the room.
I guess it could be argued they’ll come out with a super-duper pro model(s) and/or really push the lower-end to make big sensors the new normal but I think this is pretty weak. Sony’s FE system is too pathetic in lens support to woo pros wholesale and how cheap can they really build a FE body to mainstream them?
I and many others here have been pointing out the obvious: The a7/a7r are nice tries but lacking in some key areas. Their AF has been knocked around a lot and is top on that list. Even if Sony intends to keep selling the a7/a7r in parallel who’d buy those nice tries in light some of their ‘bugs’ have been squashed?
The good news for e-mount fans? As I suggested yesterday to all the folks lamenting no NEX-7 replacement, Sony’s ability to crank out new bodies and change its marketing plans on a moment’s notice indicate to me there’s a good chance you’ll see an a7000 in 2015. ;^)
Well, they are consolidating, but now that the A6000 has replaced the NEX-7, there’s a huge gap between it and the a7. Also, there’s space for a higher end FF e-mount camera too. I’d say that’s two cameras that make a lot of sense. As to the FE lineup being pathetic, I think they are doing pretty well, given they released the system 5 months ago. It’s just a matter of time. And I personally wouldn’t have a problem buying the a7/r in light of their minor bugs.
So they’re going to fill the gap between the a7 and a6000 with a cheaper FF with better AF than the a7? It fits rumors of a FF replacing the NEX-7 but makes no greater marketing sense. More likely they’ll replace the a7 and position it better as NEX-7 alternative. Make it humpless, for example, for those folks who apparently object to humps. ;^)
I think there is room in the system for a full frame rangefinder styled body. Something like a 24mp A7 with an NEX, nee AXXX, body. Might have to be slightly larger for the EVF to fit but I think something like that does fit into the system priced between the A6000 and the A7.
Full frame rangefinder styled?? Nice…
im using nex 7 and i would like an upgrade. according to the rumors and new line up, the one i should be looking out for in the future is a7000?
There is no A7000. The update to the NEX-7 is the A6000. See for yourself:
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sony-clearly-says-a6000-replaces-the-nex-7-too/
Like people have already pointed out the A6000 replaces both the NEX-6 and the NEX-7, which is why I ordered the A7. It seems that Sony is dropping APS-C for advanced users, counting on them to go FF. A shame considering the lens line-up for E-mount is finally starting to look acceptable with a good quality standard zoom, a wide-angle zoom and several good primes. The Sony strategy is as frustrating as ever.
Putting ibis in and making these new cameras fast focus with lenses that use converters would make these universal cameras.
I have said this before and I dont really expect sony to listen to me this time either…they do however promise a surprise.
Well, if we wish list these new potential bodies I think most people would want a foundation of hybrid e-mount/a-mount, 5-axis IBIS ripped from Olympus, class-leading AF, and it all priced for the mainstream. Not to mention all the other specific preferences people banter about here. ;^)
I doubt these are wish list cameras but just a logical evolution of Sony’s FE push. I get SAR not only is saying these potential bodies aren’t a7/a7r replacements but emphasized it by making it all caps. Still, I respectfully ain’t buying it. ;^)
Olympus management recently stated they have no technology exchange with Sony, that Sony are just a supplier and investor. There will never be Olympus 5-axis on E-mount, u heard it here first.
all I care about is an affordable apsc or 1“ RX1 eqivalent (35mm) althoug I would prefer it from Ricoh like the GR, and a affordable ff 36mp emount body without evf to “scan“ film. thats all I want.
How is EVF prventing the “scan” use case of A7r? You will always pay for some extra parts when using the camera for such narrow use case. Parhpas you do not need all the knobs too…..I doubt sony will soon release an E-mount film scanner.
I think one of these would work on the A7/7r. And I don’t understand how having an electronic viewfinder would be an issue.
The A7r is the most affordable 36mp ff camera in the world. The only thing that will make it cheaper is time.
Get strapped for the storm when Sony release the FF humpless, fast AFing body the A7 should have been….
You mean RX1?
The A7 does AF fast, just not as fast as the A6000 apparently, and it remains to be seen whether they can match the A6000’s speed with a large sensor. Going humpless would mean inferior EVF optics and also probably means an EVF on the side, as opposed to the middle in line with the lens.
I have an NEX-6 and A7 and a central EVF/hump is far more preferable to me, especially being left-eyed.
Typical Sony, release 5 bodies for a system before you have more than 5 lenses out….
VG900 is due for an update…A9 is missing from the picture….
Anyway I belive an A7f (A7 fast) with improved AF would be more than welcome
The “surprise” I look forward to is a A7R monochrome with EFC. I will spare some cash for that.
While not wanting any “surprise” I do want a compact and versatile (fully functional and not defective) flash and such accessories.
I am foregoing 4K and will wait for 8K. 😉
(I do not own any Barfia TVs and do not want any compatibility with those and any of my photo “gadgets”).
Would love to get a monochrome FF E-mount! But I still don’t know if it’s coming for real…
How about an RX1 Monochrome? Any rumors on that?
working on it…
Hope you hear on that front! 🙂
I think that all new camera’s to come including the new A77 II could have the A6000 new AF system and probably the A77 II could be mirrorless, how Sony could accomplish this is just a open question, any suggestions ??
The problem is focusing older screw-driven and SAM/SSM lenses that were designed to work with dedicated PDAF modules. Can Sony do this effectively with on-sensor PDAF? No idea, but I hope so.
Screwdriven, SAM and SSM – isn’t that all a-mount AF lenses?
Could SSM lenses work on a mirrorless A-mount camera ?? and the SAM and other brand lenses like Tamron – Sigma work with mirror lock up/down system ??
Well yes, and they’re all designed to work with dedicated PDAF modules.
wow… so many bodies.. well hopefully this is something new 🙂
VG40?
My guess is a FF E mount with no evf and a RX1M a monochrome rx1.
You could be right about the no EVF part. It might be impossible to have NEX-6/7 styled camera with EVF and a FF sensor.
The RX1M – I would love that… or not because ot would mean I need some extra cash…
Yey? Lots of “gadgets”, not enough cash for all of them. Looking forward to the A6000 and the cameras to come. And lenses (and accessories) as well.
More cameras, nice, I enjoy that, but where is the wide angle FE lenses I’m waiting for? A compact 24mm f2.8 would be nice thankyou. It does not matter how fancy and fast focusing the new bodys are, it will be no fullframe E-mount for me until there is 24mm or wider compact primes aviable.
Lenses are coming soon! Don’t worry 🙂
I think the FE lineup needs a series of compact moderate aperture lenses, 15mm, 20mm, 24mm, 85mm – make them all f2.8. The existing 35mm and 55mm fits right in and is of exellent quality. I believe small size is important for the FE mount success. If small size is not important, there is always Amount.
Please at least 2.0 for the 24mm or 28mm
Choos any speed you like, as long as the size remain small. My believe is that size is more important than a larger aperture. For my own use, anything from f4 and faster is useful
Why would you need f/2 for a 24mm?
not soon enough Andrea! 🙁
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I’d so love a 24mm. f/2.8 would be just fine. Cheaper build and none Zeiss would be just fine too, as long as optical quality is at least comparable to the A-mount “easy choice” range. I can’t afford for all E-mount FE primes to be Zeiss!
It seems that there may be some engineering challenges for wide and long FE lenses (hence that there are only standard focal lengths available still and the 70-200 doesn’t have a release date).
Just make some cheap Sony branded FF emount lenses like the 28-75. We need an ultra wide zoom, telephoto zoom, macro, wide prime, normal prime and tele prime.
Not sure the 28-75 is necessarily the quality standard to aim for but I agree that they definitely need to get in there with affordable lenses! The a7 and a7r are both very competitively priced so they need to adopt the same approach has with lenses. Cover the bases and push the boat out with things like oss on primes – just because zeiss won’t do it doesn’t mean Sony shouldn’t either.
They have a cheap 28-70 already, it’s the kit lens!
Am I the only one waiting for an a99 with the sensor of the a7r?
No. 🙂
I want a FF a mount with better ISO. A good contender for canon’s pro flagship shooters.
No you are not the only one. I look everyday for some sort of rumor regarding the possibility of this camera. I thought we would get some info since I thought we were only month a few months from a possible release.
It’s out, it’s called the D800
Hmmm, I wonder if we might get an a7s, 16Mp sports model, with the new focussing out of the a6000, higher fps and very low noise.
And given how much better the 24Mp a7 performs with wide angle rangefinder lenses than the 36Mp a7R, we could see a 16Mp sensor being almost issue free in the corners.
Maybe I’m not optimistic enough to imagine we’ll finally get an e-mount with IBIS, as assume I’ll still be waiting for Fuji to beat them to it !
Hope to have some news on FF A-mount and lenses.
Any news about in-body stabilisation? or if Sony will be using that new 5 axis stabilisation system any time soon?
i don’t think it will be implemented on the e-mount models in the near future. Is that even possible? flange distance (z-axis) and XY sensor(full frame)-to-mount distances is very tight. Unless something drastically changed in the mount itself, Only XY axis stabilization on APS-C e mount is possible right now, but even then it would require extra thickness on the body to implement all that. I hope i’m wrong though.
The flange to sensor distance is wholly irrelevant as any IBIS mechanism is mounted behind or to the side. No current IBIS mechanism of which I’m aware moves the sensor in the Z-plane. It would be difficult and expensive to do with precision, as the sensor would have to be moved in and out and kept perfectly parallel to approaching micron-level precision. It would also only be of practical use in some types of macro-photography, with incredibly shallow DoF (and you’re better off with using a tripod). For all other types of photography, the DoF is sufficient to easily absorb and fore-aft tremors.
Of course, what people get confused about is talk of 5 axis stabilisation systems. They are a misnomer. The extra axis are for detection of movement, but the actual sensor is only moved in a single plane (ie. two dimensionally).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsVGaTcyWZ0
However, the E-mounts restricted throat diameter is an issue. At 46mm, it’s only barely bigger than the diagonal of a 35mm frame (43,3mm). Given that you need up to about 3mm of movement to make a viable IBIS system, you could only achieve that by reducing the size of the frame to, perhaps, 22 x 33mm. The only way that the short registration would make any difference to that is there’s precious little space for any spread-out of the image from the rear focal element which might allow for the image circle at the sensor to be slightly larger than the throat diameter. However, that’s of virtually no use if IBIS is to be use on lenses with relatively long rear focal lengths. In other words, all lenses designed for SLRs and any long focal length lens (save any with a very extreme telephoto design). As digital sensors perform best with light arriving as near as possible at right angles to the sensor, then I don’t see this helping.
It’s fairly clear from the e-Mount throat diameter, than Sony engineers allowed for FF, but they did not make room for IBIS. This was very probably because of a desire to keep the dimensions as compact as possible whilst still being FF capable.
nb. I should add that there’s a further issue with z-axis stabilisation. Just moving the sensor fore-and-aft to compensate for changes in distance to the subject would not eliminate any blur as you’d effectively change the image size at the sensor. Compensating properly for distance to the subject would require a very complex combination of changing focal length as well as sensor distance. However, a moot point that this might matter at all as it would only matter on extreme macro photography.
owh ok now i get it. The 5 axis stabilization is XY axis and rotational stabilization on XYZ.
About 5 axis stabilization,even it does not include z axis, but for XY rotational axis the sensor still had to partially travel the Z distance so the full frame sensor will touch the mouth, no? Anyway, just to be clear so this means 5 axis stabilization is not possible on FF e-mount?
The vibrations in the roll axis (in any direction) are all made using X-Y movements alone. In theory, this isn’t perfect, but the actual change from the image plane to the subject isn’t significant outside of macro photography. That’s because any such changes will fall well inside the DoF. However, what you do have to compensate for is the movement of the image across the sensor caused by rotational movement of the camera (along any axis).
So what’s important is to be able to measure these rotational vibrations would axis accurately and compensate for the way the image has moved across the sensor. The camera is not adjusting for change in focus caused by minor changes in image plane to subject distance.
no i meant rotation 0n the X and y axis must have Z component. U can’t have rotation on X or Y axis without any Z movements. Physically not possible.The video you showed me had Z movements. Also on bigger sensor the distance of the correction has to be compensated (increased) for the same effect as with the smaller sensor size. What we can agree on is that without any significant changes in the e-mount structure, there’s no way to implement 5 axis IBIS, yes?
I certainly wouldn’t go so far as to say IBIS is not possible with the current E-mount. What I’m saying is that it’s problematical on Full Frame for the single reason that the throat diameter is only about 2mm bigger than the diagonal of a 35mm frame. That is probably insufficient clearance unless the image size is slightly cropped.
First to why the lens register distance is irrelevant to this, even with so-called 5-axis stabilisation. Here’s a video of the Olympus lens stabilisation assembly in operation. You can see that it clearly moves in the X-Y plane, but what makes it unique is the “twisting” action to deal with the roll along the lens axis (something which, incidentally, optical stabilisation can’t deal with). If there is any movement at all in the Z axis to “tilt” the sensor, I can’t discern, so if it exists at all, the amount is tiny and hence the lens register distance is immaterial. Indeed the M43 register is only 1.25mm more than that of E-Mount. There’s also no obvious mechanism to move the sensor in the Z plane (it seems to be held by sliding bushes). You’ll note that the only substantial component ahead of the main sensor surface is the metal frame, which is to the side. Clearly that mounting arrangement could be engineered to be a little thinner as the guts of it are to the back and side of the sensor. It’s tight, but feasible.
So to repeat, I don’t see lens register as a barrier, just the E-Mount throat diameter on full-frame.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxgnE6xY0OA
thnx for the info. i see good to know that lens register is not a barrier. given the full frame sensor is roughly twice the size that of a m43 sensor, the distance traveled on the also would need to be roughly twice as much for the same stabilization technique. Possible to hv that kind of IBIS but would need some serious engineering feat.
In fact an FF sensor doesn’t necessarily have to move any further than a cropped one. That’s if both are using (say) 85mm, for any given displacement of the camera, the image will move across the sensor by exactly the same amount. So if the sensor has to be moved 1mm of the cropped format, it will have to be moved 1mm on FF.
Of course, there is a bit of a sleight of hand in what I’m saying as, if you want the same field of view, the FF camera will require a lens with a focal length 1.5 x as long. So, for an equal FoV and equal camera displacement, you do have to move the sensor 1.5x as far (although for any roll through the lens axis, the compensating angular twist of the sensor will be the same).
However, even then, for an equal FoV, it’s not that simple. With a longer lens, you tend to use a shorter shutter speed. The old 1/f rule (which is really insufficient these days, but the principle holds) means that you will use a shorter shutter speed. usually in proportion to the focal length. So if FF takes you to a lens 1.5x as long as the APS-C to get the same FoV, you’ll likely aim to have a minimum shutter speed shorter by a factor of 1.5. What that means, is that if the rate of camera displacement is equal, as the shutter is only open for a shorter period, the absolute amount of image displacement will be about the same. There’s some support that this is the way things are as, typically, stabilisation is quoted as “so many stops”, which implies a stabilisation proportionate to what is considered the normal speed that you can hand-hold.
To put this into numbers, imagine you have a 200mm lens (on APS-C) and the minimum unstabilised speed is 1/200. The equivalent FoV on FF is 300mm with a minimum unstabilised speed of 1/300. Assume you get 2 stops of stabilisation, so you can run 1/50th at 200mm and 1/75th at 300mm. Now assume you have equal rate of camera displacement (e.g. rate of angular displacement). Now the image will move across the sensor 1.5 x as fast on the 300mm lens as on the 200mm, but as the shutter is open proportionately shorter, then the absolute movement (and thus how far the sensor has to move to compensate is the same).
Of course, you might want equal FoV and equal shutter speed (which is maybe a bit greedy), and then you could get into trouble, but even then things aren’t quite as bad as they might seem if you consider common output size, albeit it’s not such a simple analysis.
If Sony puts a new 32mp C sensor in the new a77II then it will probably appear later this year in one of the new E mount cameras.
So are you saying they might do a a77II with a FF sensor?
No..C size 32mp.
Put it in the A7000 with tri-navi, level gauge, mic connector and you’ve struck gold.
Yea, we read older rumors too. But IMHO that’s an overkill – old 24MPx sensor in A77 was already an overkill and was riddled with problems (data processing and high-ISO noise were two major issues) with many (if not the majority) of people wishing it’d have 16 MPx sensor and much better performance. Seems like Sony didn’t learn anything at all from A77 and plans to repeat an old mistake again.
Total nonsence
Every new higher mp sensor has exceeded the performance of the older lower mp sensors.
I too have read older comments
Your older comments to to me have been insulting and arrogant and add no value to sar.
So if I do not answer some of your comments you will understand why!
That’s because every newer sensor has been higher MP than the last. That is a faulty argument. Now if you could tell me a new camera that came out with a lower MP sensor, then I would be wrong. But until then, that argument doesn’t work.
It really doesn’t need that high a MP sensor. 5D MKIII has a 24MP sensor at it does just fine. It’s not a pro camera that people would be pretty very, very large prints on. I bet there are more consumers than prosumers buying this camera and it will just eat up unnecessary space on their computers and could even keep people from buying it.
That is the argument..newer sensor are improved across the board including resolution.
The 24mp a7 and 36mp a7r were introduced at the same time.
The performane of the higher mp sensor matches the lower res sensor and has higher res which is very important for people like myself yhat need it and the average consumer that wants it…a7r sales exceed a7 sales.
There is two things A7 does better than A7r: it performs much better in a lot of situations because of its electronic first curtain, it also handles rangfinder lenses a lot better. Important issues to me. If a new higher mpx sensor can match or improve on theese aspects, it is welcom, if not, 24 mpx is the line of compromise for me.
Since you like the features of that camera better that is a better choice for you.
I however consider higher resolution to be the most imporant feature for me.
From your lips to God’s ear. Or should I say from your typing finger tips, to Sony’s CEO all knowing decision making. I would love to have 36mp but I can live with 24mp in an APSc sized sensor.
SAR comenters tend to disproportionately lobby for low resolution.
The general public wants more resolution i believe…but far more importantly the people that are actually going to buy a new camera overwelmingly want one that is higher resolution than thier old one. …of that I am sure…
It is difficult to justify buying a new camera that is not higher resolution than the old one.
SAR has a disproportionate number of low res lobbyists. ..pixelphobics…the vast majority of people who actually plan to buy a new camera want one with higher resolution than thier old one..otherwise it is more difficult to justify the purchase.
lol. So butthurt when faced with truth?
“Every new higher mp sensor has exceeded the performance of the older lower mp sensors.”
Yea, right, only everyone were complaining about NEX7/A77 low-light performance. From reviewers through professional photographers down to advanced amateurs.
I don’t think anyone here can claim with certainty that an increased MP APS-C sensor would have better overall, balanced performance. Right now, the high MP full frame sensors (36MP) have a pixel density comparable to a 16MP crop sensor. 24MP crop sensors have demonstrated certain drawbacks and only a modest absolute gain in linear resolution (at the expense of low light performance, even when downsized).
Is it possible that reducing the pixel density (upping MP count) significantly further will be good? Yes. But you just cannot say it with certainty. The wiring and non-photosite parts of the sensor still need to physically go someplace… and there’s limits to manufacturing and materials. Clearly, there is a tipping point where higher pixel density will be a detriment. Maybe we’re not there yet. Maybe we are.
Personally, 24MP on an APS-C sensor seems to already flirt with this tipping point, as my A77 makes me quite nervous even at ISO 800.
We rarely compare apples to apples..we are usually seeing sensors that are BOTH newer and higher resolution.
Problems related to higher resolution do exist but are being fixed with newer technologies..therefore the overall performance level continues to improve.
The new 32mp C size sensor will probably have gapless microlensr..speculation. ..and a bionz x processor..it will therfore outperform the old 24mp sensor in every way.
Higher res is to many of us the most important quality of a camera.
The general public clearly would rather buy a higher resolution camera if they are otherwise similar.
I look forward to a 32mp a77II and hope it is not 24mp.
Not every… the 24mp aps-c sensor in the nex-7, etc. doesn’t compare well against Sony’s latter 16MP sensors, even when resolution is equalised. Why else do you think I went for a Nex-5R 🙂
Funny how Sony still doesn’t seem to get it needs to release new lenses instead of a plethora of bodies… Who cares about half a dozen of great bodies if there are no lenses for the system? That’s exactly what happened with the NEX system and their Alpha mount. One has to wonder why they still don’t get it after all this time…
What the heck…..again Sony has some sort of attention deficient syndrome to bring out new e mount full frame cameras just 1 year after the a7/r…..as an a7 owner I’m pretty annoyed with this news….they should really focus on getting the FE lenses out rather than bring out new bodies…..not happy at all
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But the rumors about more than 2 cameras were already there six months ago. They are just going to add more models above or below A7/A7r.
I’m very happy, since none of the two current bodies have everything I need. The a7/r are seriously flawed and some could live with this but others couldn’t.
They won’t replace the A7, just look at the nex 7, took 3 years to replace.
This is false news.
I know because I say so, and I’m always right. And I’m scared of what Sony is going to do to my beloved Canon!
*goes blubbering off into a corner, cradling his 5DmIII*
– Canon user.
So now Sony manages to have more fullframe bodies than fullframe lenses. Sweet.
No, there will be new lenses too.
Yes, it WILL be more lenses. When? Some have been announced since the release day of the A7/A7r but where are they?
Been the same with E-mount for quite a while (Or is it still? I lost count in all these E-mount bodies). FE just follows the pattern.
That’s the curse of APS-C e-mounts. For a number of reasons, you’ll never see extensive Sony lens support. For one thing, the whole point of them is to be teensy tiny. So much glass is still going to be relatively large like really fast lenses and telephotos. The APS-C e-mount crowd thumbing their noses at “huge” DSLRs aren’t going to attach massive lenses.
The other thing that’s been pointed out is the target audience tends to be more the aspirational point ‘n shoot crowd like soccer moms or young people looking to impress their friends with the ultimate smartphone camera. That’s why it looks like Sony is positioning their e-mount ASP-C bodies lower than their a-mount counterparts. This crowd is far less likely to buy lenses.
The FE system is targeting a higher level of consumer and pros. It’ll be interesting to see if Sony creates a large system of lenses to support them. Somehow I doubt it but it’s just a hunch. Even if they do, it’ll be many, many years down the road before they match their oft-criticized a-mount system.
another camera, not lens?
of course lenses too!!
hope it will be a wide angle prime f2.8/zoom f4. I am patiently waiting the lens i want show up before I jump into the FF mirrorless bandwagon
I think there’s a rumor a few days back that the f4 zoom is coming sooner.
My past experience with sony taught me that never buy a Sony camera and wait for sony to release the qualtiy lens you want. Instead I wait for Sony release the lens I want then I will buy the camera with the lens. 55 1.8 is a good start.
Hopefully the auto focus speed of the A6000 can be applied to the A7/R via firmware update…
Nope. Completely different systems. The A6000 is the only one in Alpha that has 179 phase detect points.
I guess they either didn’t want the A7 to canabalize A6000 sales and also gave them an opportunity to have a high performance FF camera at a much higher price point.
Don’t be so sure… the a7 could have more points that were disabled. Also the number of points doesn’t make things necessarily faster, more accurate maybe.
^^ Absolutely true. In any case the A6000 is a different system and is faster than anything in the NEX line currently.
The A7 is much slower in comparison. Maybe Sony was saving this tech for a higher priced camera.
The Fuji XT-1 uses pretty much the same sensor as the XE-2 but the former can focus much faster primarily due to better software. To the delight of the XE-2 owners, Fuji is expected to upgrade the firmware of the XE-2 owners so that the XE-2 AF will likely perform at the same level as the XT-1.
The same could be done with the Sony A7. The crucial question is … is it conceivable that Sony will ever consider doing this at a time when it will to get you to buy or upgrade the new E-mount fullframe camera that comes with a faster AF?
It could go either way… seeing the latest fw updates for the f55, etc.
It has to be said, a-mount is dead.
There, Now its done.
I’ve been waiting for that chestnut for the last 2 hours & yes – here it is! SAR wouldn’t be complete without somebody mentioning that.
I had to look for it first.
Amazed to not find it! 😀
Here it comes again…! Oh well, I’ve bought two large and one smaller A-mount lenses within the last three months: Sigma 150/2.8 EX HSM Macro, Minolta 70-200/2.8 G HSM and Rokinon 14/1.4 ED UMC. Now my system ( A99 ) is practically complete ( I still may trade my Sigma 24-70/2.8 EX HSM for a 24-105/f4 ) to last at least another 5 years! .
Mirrorless A-mount camera questions : Could SSM and other brand HSM Tamron/Sigma lenses work on a mirrorless A-mount camera ( A77 II ) ?? and the SAM and other brand older Tamron – Sigma lenses work with mirror lock up/down system ??
At the moment, with the way A99 AF-D, A6000 OSPDAF, A7 OSPDAF and a bunch of other NEX models with On Sensor PDAF work – the answer is Yes, but it will be very slow. A99 on sensor AF only supports about 5 lenses right now and can’t work without a dedicated PDAF module. A6000, A7 and NEX 5R (and whatever else there was), are uncapable of using OSPDAF when a non-native or unsupported lens is used. As soon an unsupported lens is used, the way all these cameras work today, A99 would switch to a dedicated PDAF module, while E-Mount cameras, due to not having a dedicated PDAF module, would switch to CDAF. Since lenses that you’ve mentioned were never meant for CDAF, they AF extremely slow.
In the future, it is possible that on-sensor PDAF will support all PDAF optimized lenses and will be able to utilize their native AF speeds..
Yay, fullframe E-mount NEX style camera i.e. A7(r) without the hump. Or so I hope …
Seriously doubt that. IMO these will be the more expensive FF cameras with better fps, burst rate and possibly video.
5-6 months from now…that’s a 4-5 month delay from previous rumors but just in time for some extra budget
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New Full Frame E-mount cameras to be launched within the next 5-6 months (likely at Photokina).”
Title should more factually read this way:
“New Full Frame E-mount cameras to be launched within the next year, eliminating the need for any firmware updates to existing Sony cameras.”
You’re welcome!
the Alpha7/7r firmware updates is due for the 19 march according to Sony Japan.
Waiting to hear about the Anti Shake Response Element (ASRE) these new cameras might have.
Please explain
I think he’s trying to be a smartASRE
so what? Canon is still the BEST.
If they would give me an EOS-M that looks like the NEX 7 or Fuji X-T1 then I agree 😀
Thought this was SONY Alpha Rumors, not Canotrumors
He’s been trolling since yesterday. 😉 Ignore him.
Canon…The McDonald’s of cameras…
Every manufacturer has a McDonald’s side to them…
Canon bodies
Nikon lenses
Sony, a bit on both
Pentax SDM and optics
Olympus distortion
Fuji video
Leica bodies
Samyang mechanics
Sigma bodies
Zeiss price of some lenses
…
I am going to ask again and again. Where is the apsc SEL 85mm ?
I KNOW! I think I got it now. Sony doesn’t release any new lenses because they only make cameras and pictures. Lol get it? Pictures of the lenses and hope a third party will make them so they can stamp it “SONY.” Why else are sony lenses a bit more priced.
If I would say 1 thing to Sony. That would be replace whoever is working/in-charge of making things happen for making what lenses and PLACE A PHOTOGRAPHER IN CHARGE!!! WE DON’T !!#NEED#!! ANOTHER KIT LENS!
What an excuse for “We have a new lens release” another 18-55 f3.5-5.6 in a NEW CONTAINER!
I guaranty with the new camera(s) that they will release. Sony will release Another “NEW KIT LENS.” Oh MY!!! Enough kits. Give us new primes and zooms we don’t already have.
From what I have seen. SONY CAN NOT multitask. They are focused on 1 camera that they release that they forget to support all the rest.
I hate to tell you this but new camera launches make tons more money than lenses. Even in lenses its the kit lenses and super zooms that make all the money so most camera companies are going to concentrate on bodies only.
The number of enthusiasts using NEX is far far less than the soccer moms and casual shooters who will never use anything other than the kit lens.
Super zooms are sharp and worth the quality, but if the f-stop and quality doesn’t cut it on the new kit as the last one why not just use the previous one. Its what is stuck in peoples minds. New doesn’t always mean better. Look at the “new” e mount G power zoom lens. The warp/distortion on it is so bad it looks like a better grade of a fake kids camera.
I seriously don’t know where sony was looking with that one. Did they even test it before selling it? Or just box it and dream it sells.
I mean with so much time and trial-error I think they should of gotten things going faster and better.
Another thing that bugs me is if they have new lenses ready why not release them?
Many companies are like waiting for months to release something new just because they want to fall on the same release date. What a joke! You want money release a finished/tested product now. Why wait? We don’t have forever. Life is getting shorter each day. Babies are being born, kids are growing up, couples are getting married, and others are dying. The heart doesn’t wait to beat or stop.
We need to capture the moments TODAY!
I honestly don’t know why they wait but IMO it has to do with QC and testing once the lenses are manufactured. Also I would wager lenses take much longer time to manufacture than most other mass produced goods.
Take your meds!
Sony is about to release more full frame e-mount cameras in one year than it has ever released in a-mount. Absolutely crazy.
The title of article could have been “Sony releases a7/a7R firmware update in the form of 2 new cameras.” ;^)
Will there be a new A-to-E adapter as well? >D
I bet this is A9 and A9R, it’s not gonna be lower version of A6000 because A6000 is APS-C. saving up money now. Hehe
Sony — Give me a good wide-angle zoom for FE and I’ll join the FE system! I’d rather see less cameras and more FE lenses.
+1
Well, if that’s your excuse for not having a wide-angle zoom then you can buy the Sony E 10-18mm f/4 OSS.
What will be the next excuse? That you don’t actually have the money to buy one and just keep on pissing on Sony for fun?
I am for FF camera in NEX-5 style body with a touchscreen.
I don’t like touch screens, they quickly get all foggy/greasy!
This is very true. But, what I like about the a77/a99 is the ability to turn it over. That’s a bigger advantage them people seem to realize. You don’t have to worry about scratches or oily finger print distractions when you don’t need it. Same feature should be on a7/R.
Just buy a hard protector, cheap and does the same job
I just want to know will it sit above or below the A7r?
Even if it is below, with the new A6000 AF system, this new camera will be above !!!!
…if it will cover the full frame.
A7 has the same system already, just over a smaller area!
Glad I jumped ship to Fuji. They actually care about bringing out new lenses- not just bodies.
I’m pretty invested in A-mount with both A99 and A77, and the kick-ass RX1. Love all my equipment, but I agree with you that the lack of glass options and lack of firmware updates just made me order X-T1 to start exploring what else is out there for me. Seeing a solid glass roadmap vs. a million new bodies would speak volume, but it remains a pipe dream with Sony.
A6000 preorder canceled! This was the rumor I needed. A9R + A7R = match made in heaven. I’ll keep the NEX 7 for my 10-18.
I’m such a confused alpha shooter. Should I keep my awesome a900 or jump ship? You’ll be able to grab an A7 for around 1k by the end of the year. Just the thought of that is unbelievable. So very very cheap but not cheap on image quality. I just don’t want to use my zeiss glass with an adaptor. But at these falling prices and newly announced full frame e-mount cameras….this can’t go on forever.
keep the a900 and wait. I only jumped into it because my A900 broke. The adapter thing is not so bad.
those are the a7(r) without the hump!
Definitely possible! The A6000 has the same body shape as the A7 – maybe they manage to squeeze the FF-sensor and EVF in there
It will be very much a lower end consumer version. As that is the logical next camera in the FE range. Looking forward to the firmware up grade next week for the A7. Good stuff Sony!
Perhaps the a7/r release can be seen as a market test: crash Nikon’s dominance in the hi-res FF arena with undercut pricing, but with a product rushed to market/not fully realized. So now, with this line of thinking, the a7/r will live out its days as a “loss leader” – perpetually discounted to keep sales strong until the more mature follow-up makes its debut.
Any bets on future release pricing? If the a99 is any indication, it will be much higher.
But A7/R are fantastic cameras. I don’t see anything unfinished or rushed there. In fact, they are incredibly good and not like any version 1.00 of anything.
The AF can’t compete with “real” DSLR’s, but the one in the A6000 definitely can. So, Sony has to come up with a full frame camera with AF at least on the same level…
Yeah not a big issue if that is the case, as they are much cheaper than a similar spec DSLR. Buy the new one…Keep the older one as the back up body. Perfect.
Yes – I quite agree, and neglected to mention that I fully intend to purchase an a7. However, you must admit that there are caveats: slow AF, limited native lenses, “light leaks”, etc. – hardly the killer cam that Sony is capable of and will ultimately produce in the FF mirrorless ILC world.
None of which matters to me as I just see it as (hopefully) an excellent digital back for my quintet of MD and FD primes.
Calling the a7/a7R a “market test” might be a bit harsh but they certainly are rushed. For instance, the a7R was initially released body only with no native FE lens support. Really Sony? I also find certain aspects of the cameras to be 1.0-ish, particularly the mediocre AF which quickly got fixed in the a6000 and looks like it’ll be fixed roughly a year after they were released in version 2.0 of FE bodies.
I seriously pondered an a7R because its IQ is outstanding, IMHO, but its use case is too limiting so I’m waiting for better. Now that it’s pretty obvious Sony is filling out its a-mount line-up to likely match the e-mounts waiting for better, more mature bodies is a no-brainer.
Sony released the adapter from E to A mount. There are compromises, but it still works fine. I hope they put this super auto focusing on their video cameras. It wouldn’t make sense for them not to. And hopefully we hear some news about a global shutter CMOS. Sony would definitely make a killing off of that alone.
Dear Sony, Can you lower the price of the A99 to $1599. Thanks.
I think the magic number is 1500, but I’ll take 1600.00. Come on Sony- get moving!
I’ll buy it either price.
BORING!
I’m an A-mount guy, but I agree with the FE-mount guys: nobody wants to use an adapter to use A lenses on an FE body, which is why the FE-mount guys are all whining about the lack of FE lenses.
Lack of native lenses, no IBIS–the 2 critical flaws of the FE system–will not be remedied by the proposed new FE bodies.
You may find this interesting
Tamron has a patent for a teleconverter with optical image stabilization..so does Nikon.
The Tamron converter goes between the lens and the camera.
The Nikon goes on the front of the lens.
What that means is the Tamron will reduce the light to the camera but maintain the same close focus distance.
The Nikon will maintain the same light..f# …but increase the closest focus distance.
So far neither company has anounced plans to manufacture these products.
Hi Barry, and sorry, I don’t find either of those implementations interesting.
IBIS is less reliable than lens stabilisation…Lenses being announced regularly…Not sure what the problem is??
Who told you this? have you ever used any A mount body? IBIS worked perfectly for me, even when I went down to 1/20 speed. OSS lenses on NEX camera did not work even at 1/60 speed. I prefer IBIS than OSS.
Please don’t spread rubbish. I can handhold the 35 1.8 oss and 50 1.8 oss both at around 1/10 with oss. Without oss the numbers were close to the 1/50 and 1/80 respectively on Nex-5/5R.
Also my Canon 35/2 IS can be handheld much slower down to even 0.6″ using the Metabones adapter on my a7r.
Not all optical stabilisation is the same. And which lenses are you talking about and at which FLs?
And shifting the sensor doesn’t work for wide angle lenses because of rectilinear distortion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UicWx3Y221g
Vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aq-P42QMtE
Ehm what? I can handhold my SEL35F1.8 on my NEX-7 @ 1/6 sec and get sharp images(OSS enabled)
What I don’t get is why Sony doesn’t bang out as many a- mount full frame bodies. If they can so easily slap these together why not in the alpha line? If this strategy of constantly throwing out bodies works then why make a mount users wait?
You didn’t yet figure out, that sony has no unified vision? They’re just slapping things together, hoping that it sticks. Its like they have build a random FF body generator, and forgot to add A-Mount in there. Sensors are cheap, comparing to the rest of the body and surrounding electronics. Silicone wafers are also cheap. There is no reason why Sony, the biggest CMOS sensor manufacturer, is unable to squeeze a FF sensor out of A99 into A65, make it A87/88/89 for a fraction of a price above A77. Heck, grab all those sensors with defective AF-D, disable it, and build a lower tier camera without AF-D. Essentially what i’m asking for is a Canon 6D equivalent.
There is not that big of a difference in price between APSC and FF Sensor. Sure, lower yield per wafer of larger sensors costs more to produce, but yields also increase over time. And if you take into consideration, that some defective sensors can be used to a certain extent, depending on the defective part, yields become even higher.
I have been saying that Sony should put a FF sensor into the A77 body since the D600 was released. The price difference between APS-C and FF sensors must be tiny.
mmm… dont you know the a99?
the a99 is just a a77 with a bigger sensor.
so what are you asking? to relaunch the a77?
the AF in the a99 its tiny, beacuse its the exact same on the a77.
in fact the only real diference between the a99 and a77 body, its the new multiinterface shoe and the lack of built flash, everything else is the same.
I’m not asking for A77 with a bigger sensor. Read again… I’m asking for A65 with a bigger sensor. There is a good difference between A65 and A77, just as there could be a good difference between A8x and A99. If Sony was ever to release A8x
It is not just sensor, it is also different IBIS and different shutter and for a proper camera with separate AF, a different AF system is needed too.
Maybe A9 will have a real weather-sealing, and not just a fraudulent claim that it does like happened with A7 and A7r… but I doubt it.
Before you use the word fraudulent, do some proper research on this. Don’t just flow on the current light leak hype.
You are missing the fact that peevee is a m43 fanboy on DPR and not just dogs, but outright slurs E-mount and FE-mount systems as if they were existential threats to his invested system.
Oh yeah, they are…
That video of a guy running his A7 under a tap made the weather sealing look pretty real to me.
If light leaks, then water and dusty air will leak too. It is not like they make their seals from glass.
Oh, wait, what seals? There are no seals even on the doors.
http://cdn.audiencemedia.com/var/photoreview/storage/images/media/images/ilce7r-left/1990565-1-eng-GB/ilce7r-left.jpg
If I am fan of anything, I am fan of honesty, not defrauding their customers. And of well made products, made for long term work in real world, dust and moisture and all that.
“If light leaks, then water and dusty air will leak too. It is not like they make their seals from glass.”
Do you know how small a photon of light is? If you can show me evidence of the dust and moisture resistance failing, do so. Otherwise your claims of fraud are, well, fraudulent.
BTW nice picture. You do realise those doors ARE sealed, right?
You do realize that even the 5D mk3 leaked light ? But Canon calls that camera weather resistant too ! 🙂
Photons of light are much much much smaller than water molecules or dust particles.
That’s how for example a Canon 5DIII can be weather sealed yet still leaking light in.
I gave up on Sony. No reason to go to Full Frame A mount for overpriced Zeiss glass, no reason to go E mount for overpriced E mount glass. Going to pick up a D610 and 50mm 1.4 this week. Just need to sell a few more Sony pieces off.
A mount is being killed off… When you look at how fast and furious Sony is releasing E-mount cameras, and how few (and infrequently) they’re releasing A-mount cameras, it’s hard to conclude anything else. I’m seriously debating whether I should continue investing in top A-mount glass, or just sell off what I have and move to a different system, whether that’s Sony E-mount or CaNikon. I know, I know… There are adapters. Honestly, though, I don’t want my primary camera system to have to be entirely dependent on adapters. I got my A99 not that long ago, so I’m not in a rush to buy another body right now anyway, but I question whether I should continue on my current lens roadmap if they’re all going to be useless (w/o adapters, that is) when I do go to upgrade my body in a year or two.
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Along with the AF of the A6000, I hope for 20fps, improved lowlight capabilities & the ability to set minimum shutter speed at auto ISO, and better battery life! Do this & I’ll still keep the A7 as my back up. And the A9 as my primary weapon 🙂
20fps on a full frame? Maybe in 5 years. Just buy more batteries!!!!! The battery is that size to keep the camera small, you can’t have everything.
Why should it be harder on an FF than on a 1″ sensor?
Erm do you actually think that? Hmmm why is is nikon can’t achieve 20fps out of the d4s then? Hmmm why oh why I wonder.
Because they have a floppy sloppy mirror bouncing up and down all the time …
BKT AFS/C buttons or just add a few more custumizable buttons C1-C5 would be a start
yes，but c1-c3 compared to my nikon d4 and d800, there is a shortage of of buttons. esp for HDR photography the BKT button saves the day (instead of going into shooting modes for different bracketing). Also having different shooting banks and switching between them with customized button setting can instantly switch the camera from low ISO long exposure to paparazzi ‘mode’ capsuring the vital moments (however at the cost of ruining the long exposure with tripod)
i just hope sony working with pocket wizzard, or another radio trigger to releasing their pocket wizzard Flex TT5 and Mini TT1 so we can use hyper sync on pro studio strobt lighting like elinchrom etc
Folks, let’s be real here. The E mount is the future, and we should embrace it and let it grow into its potential. It’s easily the most efficient design out there in terms of physical space. Adapters exist for legacy lenses, but we need to look forward to succeed in the journey. As it is, the E mount is Sony’s best bet for just that.
If it has the EVF in the corner like the NEX7 tri navi
And sony support Contrast detect on 3rd party IE sigma global vision .
Then i might be able to put up with the light loss from the STL adaptor .
And enjoy the space in my bag .
Id like to swap out my A77 but once I add a adaptor to the A6000 I have somthing with the spec of the A65 ; S and I wish it wasent like that . I feal like thy trying to force me onto their lenses but thy dont tick the boxs for me like the new sigmas do so im sitting on the bench .
Just trowing it out their my Sigma 180 macro with OS will rock on E mount one day ;D
Handling sux.
Handling has nothing to do with the mount.
It does the way Sony designs e-mount bodies. It’s a product designed to appeal to the aspirational point ‘n shoot crowd and people wanting teensy tiny bodies. The result is uninspired rectangles with crappy grip and awkward handling.
Not to mention, it’s becoming obvious the a-mount is dead argument itself is dead. So who cares?
But it doesn’t have to be designed that way. Camera body shapes and designs can evolve over time while the mount stays consistent. The point is, they should focus resources on the E mount for whatever designs the future may hold.
Coulda… shoulda… woulda… it doesn’t matter. The bottom line is Sony has a long history of making poor handling e-mount bodes. There’s no indication this will change.
Plus, the APS-C e-mount lens support will always suck really bad. It’s the byproduct of people demanding teensy tiny for the sake of teensy tiny. If Sony kills off the a-mount as many zero-sum game e-mount fanboys hope for, it’ll cripple their camera systems. Few will take it seriously. Canikon will reign supreme until I’m long in the grave. ;^)
Not really. A-Mount has 3 advantages over E:
1. AF
2. ergonomics
3. lenses
It seems that 1. has been fixed with A6000 and will be improved further in the future.
2. is the easiest to fix, as A3000 has demonstrated. Nothing prevents Sony from releasing E-Mount cameras in a DSLR-style bodies.
Now, it’s all about lenses. If and when Sony releases a 24-70 f/2.8 for E-Mount, A-Mount will be, indeed, pretty much dead.
//A-Mount user
“A-Mount has 3 advantages over E:
1. AF
2. ergonomics
3. lenses”
You forgot
4. enough space for IBIS
5. smaller tele lenses (and even FF normal lenses)
6. less color smearing for WA lenses
7. shorter minimum focusing distance, especially for WA lenses (for the same lens size)
8. Potential for rear-mounted in-body filters (like ND or variable ND or polarizer) when they get rid of the stupid mirror already
E-mount has as much sense on FF as 14″ wheels on a truck.
No…
4. Sony might do it
5. Are you nuts? It makes the least difference to teles
6. Lenses aren’t forced to smear on E mount ROFL
7. It has nothing to do with flange distance
8. Not a good idea… slight thickness differences can greatly affect focus depending on focal length
Do you have any clue?
The advantages you mentioned are at most coincidental than conceptual. E mount can have just as good AF as a native A body with the adapter. Ergonomics are the other way around… much easier to carry a lighter E mount than an A… plus nothing restricts them from making bigger E bodies, and they have. Lenses are also benefited from the E mount’s shorter flange ability. No benefits by forcing A mount.
>E mount can have just as good AF as a native A body with the adapter
Best adapter only has A65’s AF, and fast mirrorless AF hasn’t been possible until very recently. And we still have to see how fast A6000’s tracking AF really is.
>Ergonomics are the other way around… much easier to carry a lighter E mount than an A
Put a 24-70 f/2.8 and an F60AM on it, and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
>Lenses are also benefited from the E mount’s shorter flange ability
Don’t know if that’s true, but right now there’re no wide-aperture lenses (esp. zooms) for E-Mount.
Again, what you claim may not be true tomorrow. There are no conceptual issues in putting any kind of SLT AF module in an adapter.
And no, Sony has made chunky bodies in E mount for people who want their camera to look big (e.g. a3000) and small cameras for photographers who need to carry several different kinds of cameras. Also what’s a 24-70? My 200/2 IS balances perfectly on the a7r.
As for the importance of having the freedom to make short flange lenses, you should look in to how lenses are designed.
Besides, SLT is a rotten technology that came about in 1960s and was soon abandoned. Dual pixel AF is the real solution and let’s hope Canon shares a bit for everyone’s sake or at least makes a FF mirrorless… sigh
genotypewriter, I agree that all this may be possible for E-Mount in the future. It’s just not there yet, and we don’t know if Sony will indeed take this route.
It’s funny the ‘rotten’ SLT technology has created camera that are better all-around shooters than any e-mount. It wasn’t until the still unreleased mid-range a6000 came out there was an e-mount with competitive AF. It’s interesting to me SAR indicates a-mounts will be marketed on the higher end than the e-mounts. Want to bet the mid-range a77II, the a-mount equivalent to the a6000, leapfrogs it in most, if not all areas?
Wrong. There’s no coincidence in Sony’s designs at all. Sony is marketing to different segments, a point e-mount fanboys always overlook as they plead for a-mounts to be killed off. I don’t even get your “no benefits by forcing A mount” because it’s not an argument I see being made.
I’m regretting feeding you.
Keep your bear paws off that camera.
Because E-mount is the future (FE system to be precise), and A-mount is the past, nothing to buy from Sony today. 🙂
No shit, Sherlock
.. what about lenses? I’d really like an ultrawide zoom 16-35, and a wide prime 24mm 1.4 (id settle for 1.8) and a faster 35.
A7 and 7r is failed : ligth leak and shutter vibration, dont buy , because sony dont care about that
A7 is failed light leak and A7r is Serious Problem Shutter Vibration, dont buy because Sony Dont Care
Stop smoking that sh*t !
do you have an a7 or an a7r I doubt it because mine is just fine, and if your camera has an problem just take it back and sony replaces it. But I guess you are just a canikon troll
Yes, there is a small light leak if you’re shooting at max ISO for one minute exposures in direct sunlight with the lens cap on. Same goes for the Canon 5d and Nikon d800. Tell me, when will you ever need to shoot with such settings in high light?
Wow flagships passes by really quickly these days… I’d like a $1200 E-Mount ‘a7000’ and a77 Mk.II (same sensor), and a $2200 FF a99 Mk.II, launched together with this rumored camera which probably will be the a9000 or something… It’s surely going to be an interesting year for sony alphas!