Here are the very first manual images form the new RX100MKII!It has the same sensor as the current RX100. What’s new is the titling screen, Hot Shoe and built-in WiFi features. It will be announced on June 27 along the also brand new “High Resolution” RX1-R!!!
Stay tuned because I got tons of new material. I would need help from Japanese readers to translate the manual. Please send me an email at sonyalpharumors@gmail.com and I will share the text to translate. Thanks!
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*&@(*^$*$*$!!!!!
HOTSHOE!
JUST WHAT I WAS WANTING!
This confirms the hotshoe and the WIFI.
The LCD screen does not look articulated to me though.
That second image seems to suggest otherwise!
If the Japanese community were not such jerks they would have told us already whats in the manual, I’m quite sure it’s not only westerns who cares about cameras but no they rather ignore the west as usual instead of helping, we are guessing what is there and not when they could have simply read it and pointed to us just what are the new things besides the obvious
…and flipping screen. hopefully it’s a touch screen one…
For what do you need or want a touch screen on a camera!?
For touch-to-focus as well as touch-to-snap. Invaluable for portrait photos and videos.
You don’t want touch from Sony. I have it on one of ny Sony camcorders and it sucks. Much better to have a simple dial or knob because try to focus with a touch screen sucks.
Also useful to enter passwords for wifi.
High resolution????????? 40mp+?
That would be animalsbybarry’s wet dream, wouldn’t it?
I reckon this R version might be the same 24mp sensor, but without an AA filter. If not, probably the 36mp sensor.
yes, that’s also what I think will happen, no AA and if we’re lucky and tech is available, maybe they will used on sensor PDAF
The RX100 never had a 24MP sensor bro.
No, but RX1 does.
I’m talking about the RX1, bro.
Wish the RX1 had faster AF and built in EVF… I’m about ready to sell mine to be honest, gets no use really. My NEX7 still favourite camera.
The greatest problem with the original RX100 was its horribly poor lens. Tons of LoCA all the way till f/8, distortion correction makes corners unacceptably soft at wide position, too slow at the long end.
So if the lens stays the same, it’s just a negligible Canon-style update.
An added hotshoe is a negligible Canon-style update!?
What is the hotshoe good for? Do you really want to haul around a huge flash with your compact camera?
Yes for travel I want to use my HVL-F20AM for portrait as an indirect flash. Whith the external EVF from RX1 the RX100 is also a smaller package than every NEX with flash and EVF. Also you can use the hotshoe for external micro for better audio in video.
Less MP and at tele a faster lens would be also welcome but I doubt it. It´s a shame that nobody makes something like a Olympus XZ-2 with 12MP 1-inch sensor…
If I need an external flash, I’ve got Nex7&6 to put them on. I wish you as much.
That new hotshoe may be of some value if it can take an EVF. But then again, there are those Nex7&6 that are far less clumsy than an RX with bolt-on EVF…
EVF would require a port. I don’t see a port labeled in the diagram. Some sort of new EVF with custom port in the hotshoe, perhaps?
For me, the RX100 is the take-anywhere belt pouch camera. If I add attachments, it defeats the whole point of this camera. For me, at any rate. YMMV.
The same hotshoe as found on the RX1 would allow for the EVF that fits the RX1 too. The new hotshoe has contacts at the very front.
I have a NEX-5N and waiting for the 7N as second body (NEX-6 was not good enough with slow and same AF problems like the 5N) but there is no ideal travel-lens like a SEL-16(18)-80 F2.8-F4.5 for NEX.
for a viewfinder. sometimes its easier to compose thru a digital viewfinder than a screen on a sunny day
Not sure if this is real but some of the specs seem to match.
http://product.pconline.com.cn/dc/sony/543364_detail.html
that’s fake.
If the lens is that fast with the same sensor size, it would be unbelievable. Somehow it doesn’t seem to be physically possible though given that the dimensions of the lens look the same as in the current RX100 on these images from the manual.
A slightly faster lens at the long end and/or a slightly shorter short end (24 mm FF equivalent) would seal the deal for me.
absolutely right, 24mm is a must for me
but you can’t expect a fast telezoom with this form factor (that’s for nex/dslr)
i would rather appreciate a good lens at 24mm (low distortion, CA etc)
If there ain’t anything new/better with the lens spec. and sensor then
I just keep using my RX100.
Can’t see a filter thread or support for lens hood, that is bad.
No built in EVF, that is wanted.
Tilting screen and Wi-fi don’t improve the image quality.
Hot-shoe I don’t need.
Looks like a minor upgrade for me so I guess I wait for a maybe RX10
or FF NEX.
Hotshoe enables the use of an EVF – ya get it?!
– No built in EVF, that is wanted.
Well,it’s a minor upgrade. Targeted to those who don’t own RX-100 yet,not existing users.
Correct. This is mostly geared toward non-owners of the RX100.
Waiting for price reduction on MK1 😉
@ Admin
RX1-R? Please tell us more soon 🙂
As far as I understood, RX100 had to be charged through USB… and this seems to have interchangeable battery, which is waaaay better!!!
The RX100 also has an interchangeable battery. Can be charged using USB in camera or with an external charger.
you can change the battery in the old RX100, too, of course.
The only thing was that there was no wall-charger coming with the camera – so you charge in-camera.
I prefer a wall-charger too, but beeing able to charge with micro-usb just like my phone is also convient sometimes.
Seems Sony going to made RX100 having better control and function rather then compactness, It a littlebit look like a XZ-1 in outlook.
Beside of that , is the Slot show at 18, 19 having a remote shutter release cord? The RX100 have a Bulb mode , but lack of remote shutter release cord made it a little bit useless , if there’s a remote shutter release cord , then it will be a god DaXm good camera!
Having WiFi it won’t need it, remote triggering can be done over the WiFi
If this is a fix time shooting (e.g.: 30 sec), then it’s true, but while using Bulb mode , Wifi is not a good idea.
also , wifi EAT UP more power , for long time exposure ,Wifi is really not a good idea….i prefer physical Remote Shutter release cord more…
Looks like 18 might be the usual micro-USB port, and 19 may be the new location of the HDMI port (moved from the bottom) since the figure of the bottom of the camera doesn’t highlight the old location of the HDMI port.
Im still waiting for the APSC sensor…. RX10 pleeeaaaasssseeeee!
Why? All you are going to get is a bigger sensor with a slower lens… Big deal… Erm oh wait…
Admin. So the variation of the RX1 is the same camera but with a higher res sensor? The RX1 is niche enough, I wonder how many RX1 owners would sell or buy the new RX1?
I thought it was something more intelligent…like a new lens!
Barry is getting his High Res camera now…
hahaha
Sony High Res Customer Numero Uno
You know what I mean, though? I know you can’t please everyone every time, but you can disappoint a lot of people in one go. I would have supported another focal length, whichever it was, as the follow up to the RX1. Where does marketing research get their intel?
I haven’t seen any info saying that RX1-R will have the same focal length, maybe I missed something.
useless upgrade, they only go for market diversification, which is ok, but not exciting really
That what minor upgrade is for. Interval upgrade until the real upgrade comes. Plus,it reset price to MSRP.
Are they really going to call it RX100 mark II ??? I hope not. They could at least name it RX200. The mark designation sounds like a Canon model.
Why not? Initial ergonomics was copied from S95.
It is an incremental upgrade to stay competitive, not a new model. They might as well have called it the 2013 RX100.
If it follows NEX naming convention, it will be called RX-100N or RX-100R.
No viewfinder (Sony don’t understand the target buyer) = no buy
Good, tools like you that say ‘no viewfinder, no sale’ should go back to your mothers basement where you belong. Oh and this update now means you can have one of three completely different styles of viewfinder and one of hundreds if not thousands of models of viewfinder…
But you know… you’re the expert… 😛
Oh yes you can fit a viewfinder to the hot shoe, but oh I guess that costs extra and sticks out the body!
Back to the “real world” where enthusiasts live, they want a viewfinder “built in”
Sony don’t get it, but Fuji def do. Guess what maker most will buy? 😉
I’m betting you will be able to fit an EVF to the hotshoe.
The drawing does not show a port under the hot shoe but it is a low detail drawing.
I wish it would have used the same accessory port as my NEX-5N. It is smaller than a hot shoe and the cover prevents snagging in pockets. If I could have used my viewfinder and small bounceable flash I might have actually sold my current RX100 for the new model.
But the viewfinder would only be useful for low volume shooters like me or people that carry a lot of extra batteries. Judging by how quickly I can drain the larger battery in my 5N you would be doing good to get 80 shots with a viewfinder and the small RX100 battery. Powering a flash would reduce that further.
On second thought, if I am going to carry a flash and viewfinder I would rather just take my NEX-5N. A pocket camera is great for when I want to keep things simple. If I need more the 5N is still not heavy and a lot more versatile.
But there is no SEL-1680 F2.8-F4.5 for NEX…
The new multi accessory shoe is completely across the range including SLRs, NEX, RX and even the HX series. Your accs port stuff for your (and my) NEX are a dying breed and won’t continue, sorry. It supports more types of accs and is far more useful than the original accs port of the NEX series and yes this supports EVFs, like on the RX1 and HX50.
I know it is. All I have is the EVF and flash but even that is annoying. The way the accessory port is designed I cannot see any way to make an adapter that is too big and awkward too.
Cool, announced after I ordered the RX1. Now what?
if just ordered thats solvable, just send back 🙂 but i bought rx100 last month 😀
so hope I for no must have changes 😀
From what I can read, the only new functions are:
7: multi-interface shoe
12: WIFI
15: tilt-screen
Can you tell me whether the “?” Button is still on any of the positions 15, 20, 22 or 23 (the four buttons around the navigation wheel)?
Is the high resolution sensor in the RX1-R the same one which will be in the rumoured Nikon D4X (+50MP?)
Fuck your moderation – How are we supposed to maintain a conversation on this site, from many different countries around the globe, it every comment has to be moderated by ONE admin? Seriously?
calm down mate 🙂
OK, I speak Japanese, so I’ll drop you a line for the manual.
I am interested in an RX1, but also its successor. I wasn’t sure if one would be coming, but this could be huge.
I have to say I am a bit loss as to how this fits in the lineup … if a replacement at the same price point this is good. More for the same even if the denomination MKII suggests that if would be more than addition of some relative minor features. But if this an addition to the current version then that’s a bit weird.
If it has the same sensor and it’s larger than the current RX100, I’ll keep my RX100.
I was hoping at least at a sensor with built-in phase-detection pixels.
The fact is, Sony has no competition for the RX100 so why should they even bother with a consistent update 🙂
I think the RX100 attracts a lot of users who ‘would’ be interested in a mirrorless system camera, but don’t want to invest in a system, or maybe will only use with kit lenses. But there are those that didnt like the lack of viewfinder or tilty screen, so this remedies those concerns – it isn’t to try and get RX100 owners to ‘upgrade’ as such (though some will).
For a certain market, an RX-1 R with say a 36 or 40mp sensor priced at $4,500 makes a lot of sense. For the dying breed of photojournalist (mostly being replaced by journalist with Iphones)or the pseudo-street photographer the camera is overkill. However a small form-factor specialty camera like the RX-1 fits well into the needs of the artist who competes with other large 2-dimensional art media. The present limits, from my perspective, for the RX-1 seems to be an 80x100cm print. But the big print art market keeps getting bigger with a new standard of 150x200cm. These bigger prints of course demand more money ($15,000+) so a $4,500 camera with a shelf life of 2 years is no more of a business expense than a large format Epson or Canon printer with the same life expectancy
for that we already have excellent Sigma DP Merrill cameras which are pocket technical/field cameras excellent up to ISO400 and probably all the way up to ISO1600 for B&W (personally I use mine only up to ISO800)
What about an interchangeable lens for RX-1 R? I hope they do that.
It seems not to be significantly larger than the RX100 (~3mm). I think this is really a minor issue since we get a lot more comfort for composing the shot. A least for me it would make the camera way more appealing.
I don’t need the translation to see that there is no exposure dial, nor a viewfinder. Canon G15 remains the best serious compact, by far.
What a pity Sony cannot / does not want to put some proper stuff around those good sensors they make.
Indeed the G15 has it, but it is also a bit larger, not as fitting into pockets etc. I also love the G15 macro ability… it’s amazing. But the RX100 has better IQ I’d say
G15 is a smaller sensored piece of junk. The VF is crap, and the RX controls are great just as they are. Not to mention the RX is way smaller.
If the MkII takes an EVF, then it completely destroys any of Canons junky cameras. Even without it, the IQ alone makes it superior
Please post RX1-R info ASAP. I have cash burning in my pocket and I don’t want to throw it at the RX1 yet but I can’t wait to. Must stay out of the Sony Store until RX1-R is released.
How much do you think the RX100mkII will cost? i was hoping for a faster lens at the long end…oh well..
Still no translation of the manual? Is the tiltable screen also a touch screen?
Je trouve que c’est se foutre de la gueule des gens de balancer des infos, dire que l’on en a des tonnes, et plus rien uniquement pour se faire mousser et accroitre le trafic sur le site.
Mauvaise réputation pour le site !
Google tranlation (le site ne mérite même pas que je fasse l’effort de traduire proprement) :
I think it’s making fun of the mouths of people swinging information, that it has tons and nothing only to lather and increase traffic to the site.
Bad reputation for the site!
Guess the only good news about this RX100 mk2 is….
I can finally get RX100 with lower price
that is my hope too! but i doubt it drops that much.
It’s curious, that there are no news on a possible lens upgrade. If I were Sony, I would keep one big surprise for the announcement day. I’m not a fan of conspiracy theories, but I’m sure that the leaking of information we already have, is somehow part of the marketing/product lounch procedure.
I’m sure Sony has some very talented marketing guys, and the big surprise will be the lens. If it will be faster on the long end on the MkII, then in the MkI, I will pull the trigger immediately… after a lot of comparision of enthusiast cameras. I even may preorder, what I never did before!
Cross fingers!
Otherwise Xz-2, X20 or G15 will be my companion for the next years.
Bad news! Missing a grip! Missing a fast lens! Same sensor! Same body as slippery as a bar of soap!
Solution same body of nex with 1″ sensor less megapixel 14mp and a zoom 1.4 2.3…
Never think this. Too bad news sony.
The sale figures from RX100 for the last 11 months will certainly tell you a different story.
Stop whining. RX100 belong to a compact range of cameras and thus doesn’t need all of those features.
From the leaked Japanese manual, it seems that RX100MKII has the following features (compared with RX100):
– Tilt-able screen (no touchscreen)
– NFC
– Wi-Fi
– Weaker Built-in Flash (from 17.1m max on RX100 to 15m max on RX100MKII at wide-angle)
– Accessory Shoe
– Longer battery life for still picture (from 330p to 350p CIPA)
– 24p recording at Full HD resolution
– Heavier (from 240g to 281g)
– Thicker (from 35.9mm to 38.3mm, probably due to the tilt-able screen)