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This is a very short but almost revolutionary rumor…
I just learned via (many) trusted sources that the third revolution from Sony is about to happen. After the SLT and NEX introductions (first two revolutions) Sony is about to change the photographic and video industry with the third revolution… a new Full Frame NEX system!
I am now working on the details of that “revolution”. If all works fine I will have some news to post about it within the next days. I want to be 99% sure about what I am going to post here….so dear sources send me all the info you can at sonyalpharumors@gmail.com or use the anonymous contact form on the right sidebar…Thanks!
As usual with rumors keep your expectations low and be aware that this is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts. Keep also in mind that I have been told this is just a “Start” (whatever it means). But this may be the first time I believe Sony could seriously compete against Nikon and Canon and Leica in the Full Frame world. Canon C300? Nikon D800? Leica M9? Hmmm, Sony may (very) slowly catch them all 🙂
Stay tuned on SAR! Working within all my free time on rumors now! Please write precise questions within the comment system so that sources can read and answer them. I know the first question will be…is it possible to have a Full Frame sensor on a NEX mount? 🙂
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Thank you all, a very tired and overworked Andrea (SAR admin).
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SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
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Amazing!
I strongly believe that it won’t be FF sensor – it will be almost as big, but just tiny bit smaller (doesn’t mean it would be any worse than their current FF sensors). So that they could keep making A mount systems. If not then this means that they will simply adopt A mount for mirror less segment.
I eat my hat if true!!
btw 2nd 😉
So i’m guessing it will be an alpha mount without the translucent mirror and that the E mount won’t cover a FF sensor???
E mount is big enough for FF. Sony stated that at the launch of the Nex system back in 2010.
Right.
could it be with a fix lens?? like the x100?
what could an FS700 do with a FF sensor? wow! low light video recording machine, using leica m-mount lenses… for video
Yes i remember many people notice that from Sony. I guess they expected enough innovations to come on sensor and software corrections to help the physical FF issues due to short flange distance and image circle?
I’m not sure I see a problem here. Just make the tube containing the optics, i.e. the body of the lens, a bit longer.
Oh that!
Will any e mount lenses now work on a full frame sensor?
I’m not sure if the current ones will work. Most of the things I’ve read is that the current lenses for the Nex system are built for APS-C. If I have to take a guess, they’ll probably create a separate line of lenses for a full frame NEX similar to how Nikon and Canon have separate lenses for their full frame and crop sensor cameras. However, after thinking about it, the current Nex lenses might be able work on a full frame sensor if the camera has a APS-C crop mode like there is on the Nikon cameras.
well, for sure they could work in crop mode. Still I wonder why you’d buy a 1K Zeiss to make it work in crop mode.
Some of us already have it and use it happily on an APS-C sensor.
Canon makes APS-C lenses not work on fullframe cameras, not even in crop mode. Hope Sony does it like with their A-mount system: to not make it impossible 🙂
ermmmm….is the e-mount big enough for that?
see, you were right 🙂
I have been told …YES.
How is that possible? i´ve heard that this would not be physically possible.
3rd mount? 😉
As long as I understood. Same NEX mount but there is “something else”…
That’s very… intriguing.
I wonder how Sony plans to play it out – what’s the strategy for A-mount with E-mount going full frame? I’d appreciate if you could possibly try to dig that thing out. Cause if Sony plans to abandon A-mount then it’ll be even greater revelation then E going FF.
??? no a-mount ???
I recall that, around the time the NEX was first launched, some Sony guy from Japan said that the E-mount would require some adaptation to be used with full frame and that it wouldn’t work for full frame as-is. (I think that interview, or a link to it, was posted on this site.) So maybe some kind of modified E-mount?
If I remember correctly, “adjustment” was the term he used.
E mount is big enough all right. Sony stated that as early as at the Nex launch in 2010. Many people – including the DPR team – at that time wondered why the E mount is actually quite large for APS.
Boring.
yeah, wet pants for nothing….dont own a NEX!
so yeah!!! , I’m afraid prices and I’m afraid quality lenses .
Has this got anything to do with the hybrid mount that was strongly rumoured but haven’t heard from since?
yes. I may can post more details soon on SAR
Question is: Will it be possible to use legacy glass on the fullframe sensor (and not a cropped apsc-sensor for e-mount lenses)?
current e-mount lenses would need to work in a crop mode. They don’t cover FF image circle.
I alwas wondered if the E mount flangeback distance would allow for full frame sensors. Hmmm….I wonder how that will work?
Wow simple amazing ! When will this be happen?
soon…sooner than I expected.
because sony is so bankrupt these last few years! they bring out all the big guns now! to take down the caonn nkion hegemony.
Admin, December 21 2012 is not soon enough.
Sounds like bs to me 🙂 they spent years stating that NEX mount can’t cover FF. How difficult can it be for someone with technical knowledge to say if it’s possible or not?
Sony never stated that Emount is not big enough for FF – on the contrary. What they said (back in 2010) was that any FF camera wasn’t planned. Quite another statement.
I have a rusty memory of that interview. Would be nice to read the FF lines again for refreshing.
Link? Quote?
At Photokina 2010, Paul Genge of Sony UK said it was possible to create a full frame NEX, using the same mount and the A-mount adaptor, but never the same lenses as the APS-C NEX. The mount had been designed to allow this and it might one day happen, in which case full-frame adapted Leica lenses (and so on) would be even more useful.
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2010/09/23/nex-firmware-update-details-in-full/
You do realize that it’s just Paul. It’s not “Sony” saying something, but a guy from Sony UK who at the time even didn’t have highest “rank” in Sony UK.
Either way – it seems like stuff people speculate is truth then – It’ll be Full Frame only with A-mount lenses through adapter (perhaps with option to enable FF mode through 3rd party adapters). Otherwise this “NEX-FF” will be nothing more then an APS-C camera.
Who says it’s going to use the same e mount?
But when…approximately? Are we looking at 2013, 2014? I’m not expecting tomorrow but roughly how far away?
Cool! 😀
Thanks for all the hard work you did and are still doing to bring us this information (goes to all the sources as well).
“new Full Frame NEX system”
By system, should we understand new mount?
E and Alpha mounts are 2 “systems”.
By the way it’s an earthquake. Some people said it was physically impossible.
Let’s see what this system really is.
probably it includes another adapter…..it’ll be bulky and I seriously question the practicality of that FF nex…..but than again I couldn’t see the market for NEX anyways…… I own an inexpensive PS for mobility and drunk states and a77 and a900 system for work – I don’t even get the point of nex7 which already costs a fortune and is not suitable for any kind of serious professional work so this FF nex is beyond my comprehension….
As far as I know it’s not just that e-mount isn’t big enough, it’s that 18mm distance from mount to sensor is waaaay too small for full-frame lenses.
Even APS-C lenses in shorter focal distances have huge problems with the corners, I guess that even with a completely new mount problems will be pretty big.
Or they could just use A-mount, but that would mean something clumsy like Pentax K-01.
I’m all for full frame NEX, but three mounts and three systems? :/
Some day curved sensors will overcome this problem.
😉
Add a little length to the back end of the lens’ body, if you need more distance between the last piece of glass and the sensor assembly.
Problem solved.
Sony NEX FF, big lenses got even bigger. 😀
Perfect slogan for marketing campaign.
Primes can be made small. Or use of collapsible design.
Admin, you Rate as SR5 which is almost certain, but you say
“be aware that this is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts.”
Contradiction?
No contraddiction. It’s for people thinking that I am in any way related to Sony. This is not. You don’t have to buy Sony shares based on the info I post for example 🙂
Then why SR5? If it’s non fact?
There is no fact on a rumor. Read the SR5 definition at the bottom of the article.
As per tradition on your website, however, an SR5 with Almost Certainly Correct accuracy, the rumor is 99% fact. Hence why things like NEx 6, 5R, 11-18 and 16-50 are SR5s, right?
By default we can take these as serious as FF NEX is a fact but not sure if its a fact enough but we are almost sure.
That being said, I find it a shame that Sony will make a FF sensor when the NEX mount itself lacks quality lenses (we still have to see if the 35mm and the other two zooms can be quality) so what lenses will we wait on a FF NEX? Is it going to be prime fest? will it try to compete with Fuji by pitching it as a professional tool? prime lenses? Leica compatible?
This fact requires details on how it will work and how it can remain an NEX (APS-C always till now?)
Patrick,
I think admin means with SR5 that is is 100% sure there is a Full frame “Thing”. But there is no fact on the sizes, costs, mounts adaptors etc.
“As usual with rumors keep your expectations low and be aware that this is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts.”
He is referring ot the whole full frame NEX rumor. FF NEX, that combo, is a SR5 99% almost certain fact that is non-fact.
Really ???
I was so sad for not having enought money to buy the Nex7 but now with this super news, i’m gonna save as much money as i can to be able to buy the next generation.
One question : When can we expect this 3rd generation? 2013?
+1 for the e-mount compatibility question too.
So it’s happening sooner? I thought we were going to see FF NEX development around 2014-2015, not now =O
yep. Sony kept a huge secret around the project…
I see…great job Andrea, and say thanks to all your confirmed/trusted sources. If you can ask them if they’re going to keep the E-mount, it would be great.
The answer from one source was YES. But there is more to tell…hope soon!
Keep it coming 🙂
samsung will have FF “inspired” NEX camera 1 month after?
Sound amazing – but to be honest: hard to believe. All existing E-lenses are APS-C, so they won’t work full frame. Sony is – we all know – more or less not able to introduce and deliver E-lenses. And then starting full frame NEX? Well… BUT: I use my NEX-7 with M- and R-lenses only, so I really would love it – if it works together with symmetric wide angles…
So let’s hope! Interesting times 🙂
Maybe they did not introduce many NEX lenses just because they were waiting for the announcement to start make the FF NEX lenses?
Maybe wishful thinking but I have often thought this would prove to be the reason why Sony was so very slow releasing new full frame lenses.
Fact!
Sony is in a deep third place in performance camera sales and has little to lose and needs to change the game to its favor.
Fact!
Technology is changing fast and Sony is a technology company and driving much of this change, Canon and Nikon are not like Sony and uses Sony and others to support its needs. MNikon is a Optics company and Canon makes great copiers.
Fact!
New, sensors and no mirrors make for smaller cameras and better performance capabilities
A new design of cameras and a rethinking of the 40 year-old SLR design required new lenses.
Maybe just maybe the reason Sony has been so slow releasing lenses is that lenses in general and how lenses interface and work with the body itself needed to change, something Canon and Nikon with its huge base would not be eager to do.
This may be it!!!
I thought about that but I wrote “a new pink NEX-3F”.
Well this is much better.
But Sony also has to make and release with the new FF NEX at least
3 small good primes. E.g. 24mm, 35mm and 50mm. And later a 85mm macro.
That is all I need 🙂
It will be A mount, for sure…
Then Fuck that! The 35mm 1.4 and f2 are shit, there is amissing stellar 50mm and only the 24mm is the best of the bunch. The zoom lenses are too big for it to be anything more attractive than A cameras.
No mirror is huge attraction by itself.
There is no rule saying mirrorless cameras have to be small.
hybrid mount
And exactly how many lenses will be compatible?
0?
1?
Again, I believe that Andrea acknowledged above that this camera has something to do with the hybrid mount that he predicted some months ago.
Those mysterious sources are named SR5 😀
If this is real – it would have to use Alpha lenses or god forbid – Sony is bringing a new lens lineup to market. I hope its just a SLT without the mirror because Sony’s lens lineups both need a lot of attention. All the old Minolta lenses need an update as they’re poor performers on high MP cameras and there are obviously huge gaps in the E-mount.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
It’s hardly a NEX if the mount is Alpha…
Some Minolta lenses perform poorly on 24mpix, just like some Sony lenses perform poorly on 24mpix. The badge is irrelevant.
What I meant to say is some the old Minolta lenses that were simply rebadged as Sony have never been updated and have proven to be poor performers on the 16+ mp cameras.
Which lenses are these? So far, I’m happy with the performance of the vintage lenses I have. In fact, I believe they perform lot better on my A900 than the A700.
Minolta 50/f1.4 was great on my a700 and not so great on my a850
The Sony 35m G lens was a rebadge of the Minolta and it sucked on my a850 and I returned it to B&H a day after I got it.
…so if that happens, who’s going to buy the next NEX Models coming out soon!?
These seem to be having still an APS-C sized sensor, if this is true Sony once again is bombarding their own marketing strategy, by keeping people waiting for the FF-Sensor Models.
Plenty will still buy the APS-c Nex, a FF will probably be close to $2000.
If it is $2000 I would consider it cheap
D800 cost $3000 without lens
And this is a revolution, a mirrorless full frame
My guess is at least $3000
Hmm, FF sensor with native NEX mount, that can be turned in to FF A mount SLT with an extra module or adapter to make full use of the sensor surface (since existing E mount glass is APS-C). Could be the first E mount supporting camera with SSS? 😉
Presumably this FF will make the NEX 7 seem cheap (read: by comparison). The cheaper NEX cameras will be far more affordable.
Oops, this was to crazypeck
Then again you might be right if the price differs significantly, even to the expensive NEX-7 then I can see the point, but will semi/pros switch from Canikon to a NEX, hard to say…!?
For me as ambitious amateur my existing system with four lenses was already a stretch to make. Upgrading every year From the NEX-5 to the 5n to the Nex-7…
Need to hit the Lottery I guess!;-/
If not maybe I DO have to be happy with what I got for once and wait til FF becomes a standard to all NEXes somwhere around 2014!;-)
Thanx for doing sony imaging profitable and give them more ressources for R&D
Expect a LA-EA3 adapter…based on a previous rumor/report, the new FF SLT has a bigger translucent mirror, so a new adapter is required.
It may be built-in, Rooru.
Are to going to attach 1.5 teleconterter to E-mount lenses? No way…
having 2 different sized sensors in one body is more probable than that.
They will in effect have 2 bodies, the FF SLT and this suggested “hybrid”. As said, just 2 NEX bodies of which one is FF and the other APS-C makes little sense at this point as there is zero native glass to cover the full sensor.
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and it turns out to be the Leica M10 with SONY CMOS in photokina next month.
Nope 🙂
What about APS E-mount lenses?
People spend a lot of money on E24, E18200 which will NOT be supported by the next generation of NEX camera?
Rumor never said that they’ll abandon APS-C NEX.
should be supported…asking that now to sources.
They probably can work in crop mode like how Nikon DX crop APS-C lenses can work on Nikon full frame cameras.
You mean: like A-mount lenses work on A900?
Nikon doesn’t have anything to deal with here nor this website.
More likely, it’s Sony and Leica sharing the same sensor in 2 different cameras.
Less likely, it’s that M10 is a rebadged Sony 😉
Maybe there will be an up-scale rebadged version of this camera with a Zeiss name – like Leica re-badges Panasonic cameras.
The nex is mirroless and presently an e-mount. That does not necessarily mean the nex FF will be an e-mount, correct? The important thing would that it would be mirrorless. I would be willing to invest in a new mounting system to obtain a FF mirrorless system.
Alpha lenses can be used via SLT-adapter on any Nex mount. However, Sony could easily choose to make the camera in two mounts – a smaller E-model aswell as a larger A-model (with SLT-unit integrated).
ACtually, the adaptor won’t need to be SLT like it is now that assists the focusing significantly because of the focusing ability will be located on the sensor in this future model. However, I was wondering more about the ability of the e-mounts being able to cover a FF sensor. I always thought there would be a FF mirrorless cameras but they were going to look more alpha like than E mount. These are exciting times.
Hi, Admin
I want to know
1. size both camera and lens size
2. price
3. when will it be available
4. Is new lens and even new lens mount need F-mount for full frame? 🙂
so excited must go saving now
Sony could certainly bring out a line of E-mount full frame lenses just like they have full frame and crop frame lenses for the alpha mount. You should certainly be able to put a full frame lens on the E-mount and get full frame coverage, but the current line of E-mount lenses as far as I know do not have an image circle large enough for full frame. That being said I have not seen any measurements of the image circle for any of the E-mount lenses. I think it more likely the mount will be the hybrid where you can mount an alpha adaptor, standard E-mount adaptor or adaptors for other lens systems. Expect the body to be a bit larger than the NEX 7.
Guess that will be implemented for video, first, like a NEX FS900 !!
it might be true.. this way it can be a “people’s” choice FF for $1200 or so. native nex lenses won’t cover the whole full frame of course, but they still can be used in a “crop mode”. sony even could add “auto interpolation option” to fake the full size pictures, why not :).
but when used with a converters to a normal mounts – A, canon, nikon, m42, k this nex could be a beautiful option for people who like FF but dislike paying too much / carrying big/heavy body.
i don’t use any auto focus and use m42 lenses only, so for me this would be a beautiful choice.. especially if it would have no mirror and no extra AF module which adds to the cost (i.e. with a sensor phase detection pixels only) :).
of course, if it would use a 24mp sensor.. on other hand they might use a high density sensor, so that even cropped lens would provide a more than acceptable pixels count.. that i wouldn’t like :). perhaps a 2 nex options could be here then.
an interesting news that is.
I´m thinking it might have a crop factor, something like the d800 has…having the new 24mp sensor coming with a new E mount and being able to use both “old” and new E mounts in full and crop mode?
I would rather hear a rumour about NEX with build in SSS !
The reason for Full Frame sensor is because APS-C is dying, no more future APS-C sensors.
Just like Punk came and went while Rock continue…
ahahahaha, right. More of these jokes please!
We’ve heard it dozens of times, ever since Nikon D1. Didn’t happen, and won’t happen.
I totally agree, the market share to be gained is in the relatively uncrowded FF scene, not the super saturated APS-C market. Lets face it sensors are getting increasingly bigger/cheaper and mobile phones now do what compact digital cameras did and that market is shrinking at an alarming rate.
I’m guessing this “mystery” system will be the much fantasised “hybrid” system that will mount both A/E lenses with body stabilisation…I just hope its not too bulky though….revolutionary for sure. As an owner of multiple NEX/Alpha lenses and bodies this would be a dream come true. Now just add night vision and I can get rid of my Sony handy-cam. Would happily pay up to $3k for such a system!!
Not before m4/3 it won’t!
I’d sooner accept full frame being dead than punk being dead.
I don’t get the point…..these days FF implicates professional work….one will not be able to do serious work with tiny nex body…..I just don’t get the selling points of this gadget….price will be well beyond the already expensive nex7 and you’ll be able to mount Your 70-400G on a cigaret box sized camera….I was wrong before about the whole nex expedition but I don’t see this product as a successful one….
You don’t have to connect professional with full frame. Sony is creating new market, just like what jobs did when he invented iPad.
they won’t sell a lot if they will market it as a FF competitor. if they market it within 1k-1.5k the market will be huge. nature shots would be “2 times better” and nex is more than enough for this. lots of amateurs dreaming of FF will switch to it. FF advantages in a small box by the price of a high-end crop.
people taking wedding shots and studio work probably wont, because it’s “not a serious look” :). depending on the AF sport shooters probably won’t buy it either.
it has nothing to do with the look – it’s all about ergonomic and grip points…..
and one more thing – there’s no chance in my mind that the price will be 1k-1.5k, i bet it will be at least 2k…..and that’s the second part of my argument…..
Thank you………
At the start of the personal computer in the 1980’s the keyboard went through many changes. My point is that the design of a product that is held by humans needs to conform to the human hand so the size and shape of a keyboard or camera can only be so small.
I often hold a camera for hours pointing, adjusting-focusing over and over and need a camera that is one with my hand…….
Photojournalism?
It’l be sort of a digital back for Alpha A, Nikon F, Canon EF mount lenses. Sony provides a body with an adapter only mount, desired adapters offer full control and can be bought seperately…
Yes i know, SR0, but would be cool 🙂
SR -1 🙂
I am 99% sure that announcement will be this year !
The FF might be in one of the upcoming announcement… Due in 2 weeks time…
=X
How much would this cost?
$3000
My guess is $1500 to $3000. It should be as much as Nikon’s rumored D600 but cheaper than Leica. I can’t see it being lower than $1200 which is the price for the Nex 7.
I bet the FF Nex price will be competing with D600
Is it fair to say that technology is advancing way too fast? I thought Phones, Laptops, and Computers are progressing quick enough. But camera? i never expected this.
This Sony guy does not exclude full frame for E-mount (watch from 0:14:01): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co2Qa9y_1Ns
If possible then I guess the current NEX lenses will not have the best edge/corner performance in front of a full frame sensor, and the focal lengths of the current NEX lenses are meant for APS-C.
Andrea,you are right last year….will be this year !
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-sony-approves-the-launch-the-new-hyrbid-alphanex-mount-camera-sort-of-fullframe-nex-7/
Sooo … in December, Andrea wrote:
“Sony will launch a hybrid AlphaNex mount camera in 2012! Also external sources (like here on Xitek) got the same news. The main goal of that new camera is to unify both worlds, the Alpha and NEX. These are the characteristics of the camera:
– Alpha mount camera with built-in compatible E-mount (no-external adapter needed!). Current NEX lenses will work in “crop mode”.
– Full Frame sensor.
– NEX-7 alike design, just a bit bigger.
– Built-in new generation OLED viewfinder
– global shutter
It’s also important for you to know that there will not be a Full Frame E-mount camera. That AE hybrid camera will be the “fullframe NEX” camera we are waiting for. The camera is already available in different prototypes. So specs can still change but the concept as a whole has been approved and will hit the market in 2012. I guess it will be announced in September at Photokina.”
Is the above still valid … and are you talking about the same camera in today’s announcement, Andrea ???
Probably exactly the same, but the original rumour was either poorly described, or based off a prototype that differs from the final design.
This doesn’t look good.
Sony is making emphasis on NEX instead of Alpha. Enough effort is being squandered on NEX lenses instead of Alpha lenses as it is; now, there will be FOUR lens series (Alpha ASP-C / FF / NEX ASP-C / NEX FF), none of them close to being complete.
Morover, with the SLT light-losing technology, mirrorless FF will have better quality than A99.
I hope Sony will not make EVIL compacts their priority and continue to make advancements with real DSLR/SLT.
It’s supposedly hyrbid, which I would think means that it will support both A and E mount lenses (and in this case both crop and FF), probably with an extra module. So that shouldn’t be all too bad for the A mount.
Your Hybrid would most likely be the P Mount that is the industry standard for most commercial video cams and cinema cams.
Basically, a NEX 7 that will be NEX when used with E mount lenses, and a FF A with the adapter and A mount lenses?
Sounds interesting but it would be VERY interesting if the adapter would turn M mount lenses to be used with the FF!!
That being said, I think No FF E lenses because it would imply a whole design (smaller to exploit mirrorless advantage) and therefore, new lenses.
Ever since the launch of SLT people have speculated that the transluscent mirror was a compromise and that the Alpha series would eventually go mirrorless when the technology was right. Perhaps this prediction is finally happening.
A hybrid A/E mount mirrorless FF camera? Where does this leave the A99 if true?
problem is that the technology still isn’t right. On-sensor PDAF is crap, CDAF is well… CDAF – incapable of tracking anything other then a snail, and fully-sized PDAF sensors still have huge edge over hybrid technologies. So… well… we’ll see how it goes. Too few informations to judge anything.
(my best bet goes for NEX-FF sold in set with LA-EA2 for those wanting to use FF sensor, and crop mode for those wanting to use E-mount)
If Sony are selling more NEX than A-mount cameras, you can’t blame them for putting development emphasis there. Also the NEX system has serious video cameras like the new EA-50 as well. It looks like there will be NEX cameras from NEX-3 level right up to NEX-9 level plus various NEX video cameras.
Well…its flange focal distance had better to be shorter than the Leica M mount!
Hi folks,
I expected something like this because it’s obvious that with the possibility of phase detection AF on the sensor (NEX-5R, NEX-6 and Canon EOS-M) there is no more need for SLT technology!
I only hope that future cameras are ergonomically at least as good as todays SLTs/DSLRs – I’m not pleased with e.g. the NEX-7 and some bigger glass like a 2.8/70…200mm. Tested such a combination at “my” shop and said “really good camera – but not for me!” And if I think of something like the old 1.8/200mm EOS lens a colleague has on his 5D MkII …
First the NEX-5R/6 and now the FF NEX rumors… all that making the current NEX owners with their DT lenses feel like losers.
Oh well… love to see these rumors come true though.
Or it makes them feel like they invested in systems that are going somewhere (a direction you like or not), with upgrade paths and possible new additions to their arsenal.
Rather than luke warm updates of existing products, that will not guarantee future interest and success (thus longevity) in very competitive markets.
Well.. that’s my wish too and I sure hope Sony gets there someday.
By the way, I feel that the rumors here recently have got touches of wishful thinking: e.g. A99/95 with exceptional video features, NEX with PDAF sensor and wifi, and now, FF NEX. They all seem a bit odd for Sony, coming up with so many innovations in their Alpha lineup in such a short period of time. To me, this means either Sony is investing a lot on the R&D of its camera department… or, the recent SAR sources are getting probably imaginative. I personally hope that the first is true.
So, let’s keep our fingers crossed untill the official announcement.
I don’t think it is possible. it wont wor with E mount lenses (cause they’re for aps-c). it won’t work with a mount (cause in that case body has to be as large as DSLR and it doesn’t make sense). so do anyone here think that sony is making proffesional full frame camera with no choice of lenses w/o adapter? it reeeally doesn’t make any sense, and on the other hand nex lenses are already big for nex cameras and if they were for fullframe it would be huge.
I don’t see any reason for sony to go on a such a risk. nex is meant to be small and small is meant to be a secondary camera or non-pro camera and aps-c soze is more than enough for that class?
Future is mirrorless, EVF, short focal flange distance.
Why not putting a FF sensor that automatically switch to APS-C crop mode when it detects an E lense. Maybe sony plans to create FF e lenses.
In the alpha line, some lenses are APS-C only and some are FF compatible. E-mount can go the same but it would be a bit confusing of course.
you’re right but everyone complains that E-mount lenses are few, and that’s the reason many didn’t join nex system, and its quantity really wouldn’t be enough for pro users.
You’re right about “future is mirrorless”, but not for small mirrorless, and btw I would like to see big a mount mirrorless camera, it would make much more sense than small FF
if you don’t put any mirror, then you waste space. That’s why sony went both SLT and Nex
There has been talk in the video circle about a new Sony camera that will be a RED Killer.
If this rumor is true then this cam is it.
This cam may disappoint many still snappers but the Sony NEX is also a major player in the video division of Sony.
Interesting news.
I wonder what’s the buzz the NEX can’t use FF lenses based on the E-mount.
I’ve been using FF lenses via LAEA1/2 on my NEX3 all this while.
It will need a different lens mount, then, Sony will have to design and release lenses for 3 different mounts, A-mount, E-mount and NEW-FF-NEX-mount..
Is it possible?
Would we ever see a Hybrid Nex? (NEX and Alpha)
There was a rumor about it long ago. SR5? If I remember well.
And Andrea responded positively to a question asked earlier: whether this new camera had something to do with the hybrid-mount FF camera projected months ago. So I believe that’s exactly what it is.
The E-mount is a bit BIGGER than the old Minolta SR-mount (SR-T, XD-7…), very similar to Leica M and much bigger than M39. So no problem from that side.
“As usual with rumors keep your expectations low and be aware that this is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts.”
Yes, I think 4 ! in the headline and the word “revolution” are exactly the right way, not to forget a teaser post one hour before.
You know how to keep expectations down, really.
Expect soft corners with the short flange distance.
[…]trusted sources[…]
[…]mysterious sources[…]
Well? Which one is it? Trusted or mysterious?
I have a trusted woman, but that doesn’t stop her from being mysterious too. 😉
Does your wife know about this 🙂
🙂
+1
By definition, complete “trust” should violate the existance of any “mystery”.
Dear Shakespeare, my answer is: TO BE!
With so little lens options, I wonder how viable it is to buy a FF Nex. All NEX lenses are not suitable for FF use.
Finally my M lenses will find a good camera to work with it! Andrea, about the EA50, the moire and aliasing?
I imagine my leica aspheric lenses with this thing. Amazing news indeed!
Is this going to be a big surprise of Photokina? In your December for SAR4 stated that it will be launched in Photokina!
FF Nex means E-mount or A-mount ?
So does this mean that it is possible to use for example Pentax K-mount FF lenses with this camera with adapter? And also other FF-lenses with adapter with full image circle? I guess so but just want to get confirmation 🙂
Someone please just go and meassure the diameter of E-mount and tell us whether it is big enough for a full-frame sensor!
We have had the answer repeatedlY: the e-mount is big enough.
It’s what lots of us have been waiting for. Personally I’m with m4/3 now, but as an ex FF shooter, and portraitist, I’m dying to go back to FF. The coming D600 is all good… except I got used to the portability, and full time liveview exposure feedback of mirrorless, and now I want that.
I’m ready to jump in with NEX when the NEX6 comes out, and will definitely buy FF NEX in the future is priced adequately.
Just because a sensor is full frame, does not make it worthwhile. On the other hand, I am confident that Sony will put a good sensor (i.e. low noise, high dynamic range, color resolution, etc.) into a full frame Nex. It will be extremely interesting to see what Sony actually does with this hypothetical camera, and how the camera performs, if and when it is released. If the IQ is in the Nikon D4/D800 range, I will be almost certain to get myself at least one body. I would hope, that like my Nex-7, a full frame Nex would still allow me to use my old Nikkor lenses.
Highly interested… if AF nearly as fast as SLR otherwise I will get D600 and keep NEX-5N. Clarification on “fast AF” – for me as long as it’s as fast and consistent as my old Canon Rebel film SLR I’d be happy.
For those that think the E-mount won’t work with FF, just look at EF/EF-s and Nikon. Same MECHANICAL mount but probably smaller optics for the APS-C lenses. You can mount a DX lens on an FX camera and take pictures.. in fact the vignetting isn’t as bad as you would think!
forgot to add –
This probably means two types of E-mount lenses going forward.
1) Current E lenses which may or may not put the new camera into crop mode and may or may not vignette some without crop mode.
2) new E-mount FF capable lenses which will work on all NEXes
As someone else mentioned… what would be REALLY interesting is IF auto-focus is fast enough and the A-mount adapter doesn’t need to do it’s own AF (doesn’t need LA-EA2) then adapters for other mounts should do the same thing. It seems even if Sony doesn’t come out with that, one of the third party lens manufacturers could.
If this is real, the body itself will be hugely popular. Can you imagine a mirrorless FF that works with any AF lens?
A “smart” adapter like that would need to translate the protocols and adjust voltages. But if they could make “smart” adapters like this for Canon and Nikon lenses as well as A-mount, then many users of those systems would buy into this as a second body without hesitation because they could use their existing lenses.
Also, imagine this with a focusing rail and bellows unit with some movements.
Tilt / shift lenses should be great too. No prism overhang to get in the way.
Done right, things like this could make full frame NEX a system *more* than a serious competitor to Canon and Nikon in the full frame world.
I do not believe: It would be a slap in the face of all the people, who bought a Zeiss CZ 24mm/1,8 for 1000 EURO, and now cannot use it at a VF Nex Camera.
What if it will not be a FF nex camera but a mirrorless A-mount camera?
Sony has some great quality FF lenses so it would be logical.
This would be called A950
Well the a99 is close to that, its mirror will be translucent, anyway. 🙂
http://matthewdurrphotography.com
Hard to believe.
But Sony has shown that they are able to produce camera bodies quick. Sadly, they seem to be unable to produce matching quality lenses in the same speed. My Nex-7 gathers dust, because of that. Instead, I’ve bought an OM-D with a set of high-quality lenses and I’m more than happy with that.
Now, they will announce a FF-Nex? Wouldn’t it have been better to fulfill the need of the current Nex-7 owners for matching lenses first, and then make a new high end Nex? Instead, they made a high end model, let all those gearheads buy that thing and then make another, even better high end model?
If that comes true, I feel betrayed.
What is the lens you miss so bad that NEX-7 becomes unusable?
I think 24/1.8 alone is more then enough to become world famous photographer. Yet they have 50/1.8 and a whole lot of other lens options…and dare I meniton that my NEX-7 sees the Contax G adapter mounted quite often with some of the best human made lenses to date.
I did not say that the Nex-7 is unuseable. Im just missing lenses. And the existance of a very good 24mm (=35mm FF) is not really enough for a landscape shooter.
I mostly shoot my NEX with adapted lenses, from Voigtlander and Nikon.
As a landscape shooter, you’d get by just fine w/o autofocus. Although with focus peaking even non-static subjects aren’t impossible to shoot.
The forthcoming 11-18mm may be very good for landscapes
As I say when I teach/lecture: You know what the BEST camera to take a picture with is? THE ONE IN YOUR HANDS –SHUTUP AND SHOOT!
Seriously, people, no whining about what you don’t have until you’re taking great images with what you do have. Then you’ll stop wanting to whine. 😮
That said, with a ~75% Approval to the survey question, and the consistent refrain below “It’s about the lenses” – I think Sony has a clue!
you are either one of those m43 fan boys or toy collector. I don’t think you hv nex 7 at all. Prolly just trying to justify your em5 purchase. I would rather have 1 top quality camera and 1 top lens, than 1 crappy iq camera with all top features and bunch of lenses on the street.
but then still, nex will have bunch of new lenses. That will hurt your heart even more. Cause no matter how long you will wait, or how many lenses you have, that em5 will never match the IQ of nex series.
Sell it before too late.
From the way how you are insulting every poster here who writes some critical things about Sony stuff, I have a very clear impression about who is a fanboy.
Most of you are so impatient. You want everything all at once and then when you have all of it in front of you, you can’t decide what to buy. Sony is trying to build what Canon and Nikon had build in the last 50 years or more, it’s like trying to build a big city in a year!
Decide what you want Quality or Quantity! I know what you are going to say “both” good luck with that one, it will give you more reasons to complain about! No one will ever be satisfied what they want just because we are humans who are very opinionated in everything in the world, that’s the way we are, period.
Enjoy what you have, you have more then most people on the planet. Think about it, there is always someone out there who has less than you.
Have a nice day, go out and take pictures:)
Tom: While innovation in electronics can come quick, and that’s what drives digital camera bodies…it takes longer to develop quality lenses. Lenses are a mix of technology and craftsmanship…it’s not as simply as cranking out a better chip. Lenses don’t follow Moore’s law…
So be patient…there are already some good lenses for NEX, with more on the way shortly…as others have pointed out, it took many years for Canon, Nikon, Leica to build up their formidable lens collections.
I think Sony right now is hitting on all cylinders…we’ll see when they release the new lenses.
OMFG!
As a FF Nikon and mFT user I have been tempted by Nex in the past { built in high grade EVF etc} unfortunately from my perspective the lens choice is overall both pretty poor and pretty limited. I think we are all prepared to accept that zoom lenses are harder to design and especially harder to make small when covering an APS-C sized sensor, however I would have hoped for a decent selection of better performing primes. I appreciate that mFT with a smaller sensor has an advantage though possibly the main advantage is the ratio of 4×3 which in effect reduces the need for extreme corner performance. It’s amazing the difference cropping to a 4×3 ratio “improves” the results of even the most mediocre lens.
If they are to capture a larger market especially the Nikon and Canon serious users , the first priority has to be lenses.
Jim
What is the exact lens you miss? 300/2.8 – not a great idea to start with NEX system at all.
the lens options are more then sufficient if you cared to check last 12 months that is.
with 35/1.8 and 11-18 coming the only one I wait is a wide aperture telephoto lens like the Olympus 75/1.8. Even as it stands today i do not want all the E-mount lenses.
Kiril
It’s not about focal length it’s about the aperture and image quality.
Sure, Sony has released rumored NEX optics but very few tempt me the replace my a850’s with a NEX camera and replace 12k worth of AF Sony Zeiss, Sony G and old Minolta glass with NEX lenses.
Hopefully this will change with this rumor as my camera bag is heavy and I carry it everyday
Actually the way for Sony to capture serious Nikon and Canon users is to design this camera in such a way that, with an appropriate adapter, they can use their existing lenses.
If Sony have managed to get on sensor PDAF working well it _might_ be possible to make “smart” adapters for Nikon and Canon lenses that retained their full functionality.
Boring… I bet they’ll have one lens for the start. Maybe a even more boring 28-200mm lens which is about five times larger then the camera? Yawn…
I’m having more than enough manual full frame lenses here I’m frequently using via adapter, which I’d love to use with a full frame NEX instead of APS-C and whoever bought Sony’s LA-EA1 or EA2 or the Metabones Adapter will have even more reason to go full frame. Would be enough if Sony only offers a 35 or 50mm kit lens or even no lens at all…
I dont really understand why people want more lenses when with adapters (LAEA1,2, or any 15 USD adapter ring from Ebay) you can use ALL the lenses on Earth.
It might be the hybrid (A&E) mount?
Sony G and Zeiss ZA lens to NEX FF sensor
and when will sony start making lenses???
when will you go back to m43 forums? You and other bitches who are bitching up bout new lenses are just sony haters who own m43 system and are starting to get nervous cause nex system is getting better and better with more body(better af) and more lenses(pancake) to come.
New lenses are coming!did you not know this? Beside, if you really own nex, if you really now photography, lenses that are available today are more than enough.
It’s really too bad there isn’t a downvoting or reporting mechanism for these vulgar kids like kirk. Pathetic.
Sony can put a sensor in anything it wants, but can it, or will it make the lenses to support it?
A-Mount, E-Mount or A&E-Mount I don’t care but show me the lenses and if the optical performance is better than or equal anything else and I’m in with my money.
Show me the lenses!
This is excellent stuff, already own a nex-7 and can’t wait to get a Nex FF
Full frame mirrorless? Where do I sign?
Hmmm… this would be awesome for me. My favorite lenses ever are the old Minolta manual focus lenses, and this would allow me to use them properly. With focus peaking it would be excellent. It’s even conceivable that someone could make an adapter to control the aperture as well (though I wouldn’t hold me breath on that). I really hope this happens.
Zeiss is probably right now converting their ZM zeiss line up to Sony 🙂
I wonder why people think that the short flange to sensor distance is a problem for full frame lenses. It’s the throat size (internal diameter of the mount) that’s important as the flange distance gets shorter. In a mirrorless camera, the flange could be very close to the sensor (or shutter if the internal diameter is large enough to accomodate the full image circle and any associated linkages. Wikipedia says the throat diameter of the NEX mount is 46.1mm – but it’s unclear if that’s the internal diameter or external. The full frame image circle is 43mm diameter, so if the NEX mount is 46.1mm internal diameter, then it’s very possible to accomodate full frame with 18mm flange distance. It may be a bit tight, but that’s an engineering challenge (or could be resolved easily by making a slightly small “full frame” sensor).
Incidentally, the fact that you can use full frame lenses on the current APS-C NEXs via an adaptor is irrelevant – you are only trying to cover the APS-C image cirle.
Looks like something A + E mount hybrid and with on sensor PDAF 🙂
Is it really possible to direct light sensibly on a FF sensor with a focal flange distance of only 18mm? The incident angles would become dangerously small. Besides, none of the current E mount lenses have an image circle large enough. Sony would have a roll out yet another lens ecosystem. Bummer.
The focal flange distance of E mount is too small, that of A mount too large (you lose compactness). Leica has 27mm, which is probably close to perfect. So — either a third mount type (hard to believe) or a poor compromise. I don’t like this rumour.
I don’t think the NEX flange distance (18mm) is a problem. To make a big enough image circle, Sony can just make the lens slighty longer, provided that they are using a similar design to a given Leica lens. That would be similar to be using an adapter.
Either way the possible FF NEX lens will most probably be bigger (esp. longer) than Leica if they want to fit AF and IS in it as well.
They could make a microlens array with the microlenses closer to the corners slated sideways.
I suggest you draw some diagrams for yourself. The flange distance has nothing at all to do with the angle light rays hit the sensor. That’s an issue that arises as a result of lens design. Current full frame DSLRs don’t have a problem – a short flange distance can simply be compensated for by including spacing in the lens design. Don’t expect lenses to be any smaller that they are now – wide angles excepted (see below). If you doubt my point, take the lens off your DSLR and look – there’s nothing between the back element of your lens and the shutter except the mirror and it’s the mirror that makes the flange distance in DSLRs as large as it is and nothing else. The flange could very close to the sensor (provided the throat is big enough), but the lens would be longer with a lot of empty space inside the back of the lens barrel before you find the first element.
The size of the Leica flange to film distance is nothing magic. The body had to contain a 35mm cassette and the rangefinder mechanism and remain small (for its time) and neat – the flange is on the front of the body and film at the back. Indeed, the widest Leica lenses protrude well back into the body – so the flange distance could be said to be too long to be ideal!
Super wide angle lenses of the classic rangefinder designs create a problem with light rays striking the sensor at very sharp angles, particluarly near the edges of the frame. DSLRs don’t experience that issue because the rear element has to be clear of the mirror. That’s resolved by using retrofical lens designs. Retrofocal designs have the downside that they are larger, more complex and heavier than an equivalent fixed or rangefinder lens. However, the coincidental up side is that light does not strike the sensor at such sharp angles.
However, Leica has got round the problems it experienced with classic super wide lenses. Sony could also do so – but it isn’t necessary – current retrofocal designs will be ok. However, the opportunity would exist to purpose design smaller and neater short focal length lenses in the future.
I know that the rear lens could be moved farther away from the sensor — but what’s the point in having the E mount then after all? The new lenses would have an empty tube at their rear end that could never be avoided by future designs. I’d prefer a larger flange distance and shorter lenses. My bag contains one body and many lenses after all.
In the field of compact cameras, size does matter. Therefore, I think a common flange distance for APS-C and FF is disadvantageous.
(And I don’t think that retrofoci are a good idea with mirroless cameras, not even as a temporary solution.)
Absolutely. If Leica can, then Sony can as well. Now here’s hoping that Sony also looks to Leica for inspiration when it comes to Lens quality – and especially lens *size*!
The “one more thing” Andrea mentioned – a curved sensor??
I suppose however no one of current lenses would work without a modification (or optical adapter).
Speaking as an optical designer, I would rather have no constraint on the bfl (back focal length) of a lens, and for a complex, highly corrected lens there would probably be elements close to the focal plane. If I needed to constrain ray incident angles to be small (“small” is good – angle is measured from the normal to the focal plane) it would be even more true.
As I said before, the E-Mount CAN accommodate FF sensors, with some limitations in some configurations of corner vignetting. I do not believe a “FF NEX” would use the A-Mount lenses natively, as this would be an dSLR w/o a mirror, and seem less like a “NEX”. So my guess: FF-NEX would either E-Mount or a bigger new “E+” (still close (18mm?) to the sensor.)
Another interesting option: Using the A-Mount, FF-NEX lenses could significantly penetrate into the body. Now I’m changing my mind that this is a valid option: this is “smart” in that existing A-mount lenses are useable on Day 1 while we wait for FF-NEX releases. The “risk” here is someone tries to use them on a SLR/SLT and breaks their mirror.
The whole point of NEX cameras is to use non Sony lenses on it. I will buy a FF NEX even if it ends up costing Leica money.
Just looked up some info. The external diameter of E-mount is even bigger than the Leica M mount, so full-frame on E-mount is totally possible！！！
But the connectors are inside the mount ….
No zoom, no AF in leica lenses
Zeiss is probably right now converting their ZM zeiss line up to Sony
That would be nice.
sony can use the dslr mount for this type of camera.
they have tons of lenses for ff!
It makes no sense to use a DSLR mount on a mirrorless camera (unless you are Pentax). That would only make the camera body much thicker than it needs to be and eliminate the possibility of adapting many lenses.
That adaptability, and how far it goes, could be one of key factors to the success of this camera.
If they design it so that, with an adapter, Nikon and Canon users can use their existing lenses, it would be a very attractive second camera for those users. And then who knows, if those people find the camera good enough, they could be won over to Sony entirely.
“I just learned via (many) trusted sources that the third revolution from Sony is about to happen.”
“As usual with rumors keep your expectations low and be aware that this is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts.”
How do these statements go together?
It’s a statement to prevent any legal problems. I have to remind that this is a rumor website.
As confident a you want to be in a rumor, be confident.
This is so great, it was time someone thought of it. If it has the E mount, there will soon be lots of adapters to use EOS and Nikon lenses on it, given E’s super short flange distance.
If they don’t cock up the UI (read: I want direct dials instead of menus), they will make a killing. I am on.
if nex FF w/o SSS, what is your though?
The one big Nex-bummer from Sony was leaving out SSS, unfortunately 🙁
If there was a FF Nex with IBIS… I’d totally ‘shut up and take my money!’.
With e-mount, there’s no need to buy another adapter than the current one.
What if they just put the 36MP sensor in?
Put a normal NEX lens, it’s a 16MP sensor, just like 5N
Put a FF lens, it’s a Leica killer. Or Nikon killer. Or Canon killer. That thing would slaughter anything you throw at it.
Not until we see some decent lenses it won’t be.
The 36MP FF sensor depends on lenses less than NEX 7’s 24MP APS-C. It’s actually from the same wafer as the NEX 5N’s wonderful 16MP sensor, just cut a bit larger.
As much as it doesn’t make since to some here I think they will make another lens system. They have an opportunity to make a success in a sector they have only one competitor in being the leica.
Are to going to attach 1.5 teleconterter to E-mount lenses? No way…
It is mad at Sony ? ?
still producing new models but lenses nowhere ….
I got to break the bottle and shoot through the bottom ? ?
Admin, спасибо за информацию. Давно жду такую камеру. Каким может быть первый объектив на FF Nex?
I definitely would love to use my Leica, Voigtlander, Zeiss and SLR Magic M-mount lenses on a fullframe 36MP NEX as well as some nice new AF capable FF E-mount lenses. The limitations of Leica M9 (and propably M10 as well) are too frustrating and the mirror-FF cams look like dinos already today.
Sony, give us lenses ! (with it)
I don’t care about lenses & whiners. Sony’s has got the leading sensor technology, they’ve got awesome bodies inside the top league, but they’ll never reach the top when it comes to lenses – they’re an innovative technical company and not into traditional craftsmanship.
After Nikon & Canon both failed with their mirrorless cameras to make me and a lot of others buy from their huge lens ranges, the market for a full frame mirrorless camera, where users can attach whatever lens one might like, is free for Sony and they’re willing to take it.
I’m damn happy about that move. And I don’t care about those brand addicted collectors without inspiration who will whine for lenses until Sony simply sells their current A-Mount full frames with E-Mount, since I’ve got enough manual full frame lenses already to be extremely excited about a full frame NEX…
+1
Brillant, love it!
using hybrid alpha E mount?
Sony needs to clothe (endow with a certain quality) and feed (number of offerings) its current children (the A and E series) before conceiving another child and letting its adopters go without. There is insufficient reason the NEX 3 and 5 series cameras do not have the similar control dials given only to the 7 NEX series, and Sony never should have installed a different software interface when the A mount software was great (as they are now switching back while not offering the NEX 5N a software upgrade (change) to the original interface. I have an A900 and should have been able to enjoy the same interface with the 5N. A lens offering example: the 70-400mm G Lens is a fantastic piece of glass and Sony is going to replace it before giving the NEX system anything comparable, why? To weather seal it, when that should have been in the original design in the first place, along with all the Zeiss offerings and other G series glass. Sony has missed the opportunity to be all (or at least sufficiently) encompassing out of the gate in most instances since the introduction of the A700 (high ISO performance lacking), are slow with software updates (until the A77 but still with the A900) along with their aforementioned schizophrenic offering of the original NEX software, that, btw, is impossible to imagine received passing grades during the testing phase. I love my A900 and 5N, but would prefer Sony offer a Zeiss 24-70mm equivalent zoom and 85mm and 135mm OSS Zeiss equivalents for the 5N before going to an NEX full frame with limited lens offerings for a 2+ year period of time, while still offering no further professional type glass for the NEX series besides what is currently offered with the 24mm, and further updating the 300mm A mount lens that I am sure is purchased by a limited number of professionals. I doubt the rumored pancake zoom with a less than appealing f stop range similar to the kit lens will suffice as a walk around solution a Zeiss zoom would, not to mention the excitement it would bring to those of us who stick with Sony through their inability to get the vision of a complete system or systems. Sony further has better glass for the full frame A mount system but has focused since the entry of the A900 on the smaller sensor cameras, again why? The a99 has been rumored for development and release for how long now? And before it is released they are now going to leak releasing yet another system that may cut into sales of the A99 before it is released. Sony get me a Zeiss zoom and some Zeiss primes for my 5N, please. And work on weather sealing everything you are now and in the future developing, I mean how can that even be a debate in today’s world.
This won’t be released before the A99. I expect they will show some kind of mockup or prototype at Photokina and release it sometime next year.
If the on sensor PD AF in the NEX cameras is good enough, it could kill the need for an SLT mirror.
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@James
World’s longest sentence.
😉
Yesterday when you wrote “a huuuuge rumor is coming up”, I was dreaming of the FF-NEX. 🙂
I really hope Sony will produce it. 🙂
At Photokina 2010, Paul Genge of Sony UK said it was possible to create a full frame NEX, using the same mount and the A-mount adaptor, but never the same lenses as the APS-C NEX. The mount had been designed to allow this and it might one day happen, in which case full-frame adapted Leica lenses (and so on) would be even more useful.
http://www.photoclubalpha.com/2010/09/23/nex-firmware-update-details-in-full/
Thanks Mistral!
Paul said that, not Sony.
Corporations don’t talk; people do.
Paul Genge has worked for six and a half years at Sony UK. At that time (September 2010), he was “Technical Field Sales Manager” (he has been promoted since). As a Sony (UK) representative, he was giving an interview to British photo magazines in the framework of Photokina 2010.
So, even if Sony Corp. did not say that, Sony UK did.
Will this be E-mount, a modified E-mount – or a new lens mount?
If the put the PD AF on the sensor that they use in this camera, and smart enough electronics, they could even make it possible to enable adapters for Nikon or Canon lenses (as well as A-mount) with full aperture and AF functionality. Will they be smart enough to do that? It would attract a lot of Nikon and Canon users if they did.
I wonder if Fuji will respond with a full-frame XPro?
“I wonder if Fuji will respond with a full-frame XPro?”
No doubt about it IMO.
Then maybe Nikon with a digital SP too….
If it happens, it will sale like hot cakes.. And Sony will own market, really fast.
yeah yeah yeah, more bitching about the lack of Sony lenses, did any of you geniuses ever consider that the delay in new lenses is to do with NEX going FF? it isn’t like Sony woke up today and decided they would create a FF nex.
Finally one who got it! Then you also know there will be no A99 at Photokina because of this?
Well, lets hope the lack of serious E-mount lenses has been due to this forth coming full frame NEX.
Has anyone checked to see if any of the existing E-mount lenses have a big enough image circle to cover full-frame properly at all apertures?
Of course, for APS-C NEX cameras at the wider end you will still need lenses like the 11-18 zoom.
Now that Sony have the phase detect pixels on-sensor I guess that there is no need for the pellicule mirror.
+1
Maybe they can make A-mount cameras with some kind of hybrid viewfinder. OVF + EVF with the mirror locked up.
Even if Sony does nothing more than stick a FF sensor inside a body like the NEX-7, this is a huge step forward. You will still be able to use native E-mount lenses with APS-C crop on the new camera (for when you need something more compact), or attach something like an LA-EA3 adapter with a new FF-covering translucent mirror for when you want to use Alpha lenses. Result? Sony doesn’t need to create a new mount with special lenses. They only have to keep building the two lines they have, which can both be mounted to full effect on this one camera. It’s effectively the hybrid we were talking about.
PLUS, you can now get the full advantage of adapted manual lenses (like my Rokkor 50/1.2 — woot!). This is win/win/win.
Let’s face it: even if they made FF NEX-specific lenses, they would be enormous. So what’s the point? Use the Alpha lenses on it since you’re going to lose the size advantage anyway, and when you want compactness go back to APS-C E-mount lenses. I love this idea.
You got it right Redfern!
Thanks for the great work you do here, Andrea! This news just made my morning. 🙂
Admin, Can you tell from the information you have if this is a feasibility study/prestudy, or an actual development project (that may, or may not materialize)?
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Seems worth re-summarizing my previous analysis of E-Mount + FF compatibility: (Applies with the A-Mount adaptor or to straight FF E-mount lenses.)
The E-Mount aperture is 46.1mm, which leaves 1.41mm between the corner of a FF sensor and the flange edge. Since the flange is 18mm from the image plane (vs. 44.5mm for A), there is definite vignetting potential of the very corner of a FF sensor at faster f/# (say <f/4). Vignetting also depends on the incident angle of the chief ray at the corner, which varies from lens to lens. Normal incidence (e.g., telecentric lenses) is better for light absorption in sensors, but "FF E-mount lenses" could certainly be designed away from that.
+1…now if there was also IBIS then this would simply be “perfect”. You can’t tell me Sony are unable to add it considering that Olympus have it in their smaller m43 cameras.
So is A99 really a NEX with adapter?
The big question … I have been asking myself the same thing …
I don’t think that he got it right. 😉 It is a poor compromise in my opinion because it smells like a provisional solution for a high price. Especially wide-angle FF lenses would be *much* bigger than they needed to be with a dedicated FF mirrorless mount.
I totally see what you’re saying here and with your post above, Torsten, but unfortunately I think it’s too late for Sony to turn back. What they probably should have done from the beginning with the E-mount is make a deeper flange distance so they could accommodate smaller lenses (both APS-C and eventually FF). Yes, the body wouldn’t be as compact, but you would make up for that in the camera bag with smaller lenses.
However, addressing that point now would mean making yet a third mount just for the FF NEX. Sony can barely support the mounts it’s got — is adding a third one really a good idea? And what of market confusion? They couldn’t call the new one an E-mount also, right?
All I’m saying is that this is the most elegant solution to the problem they’ve created: it merges the camera lines and provides relative compactness when you want it and FF coverage when you need it. And it has the added benefit of not interfering with using classic adapted lenses, which many of us have come to quite enjoy. This only makes that experience better.
It’s not perfect, no, but I think it’s the best Sony could do at present, and it’s still a step forward.
I agree, but a mount is something for years, mostly even decades. So it should be done right. And they will have to make a new line of lenses anyway. I think designing a new mount is negligible compared to desining new lenses.
The only drawback is that old E-mount lenses cannot be used with the FF camera. But you would not have FF anyway with these lenses. And, that’s the same with Canon’s EF-S. I think too large lenses for good would be a bigger prize to pay.
To make an historical analogy 😉
“What they probably should have done from the beginning with the E-mount is make a deeper flange distance so they could accommodate smaller lenses (both APS-C and eventually FF). Yes, the body wouldn’t be as compact, but you would make up for that in the camera bag with smaller lenses.”
They may have actually learnt from the VHS – Betamax loss.
Short term wins gives you the possibility to ponder about the consequences for the long term. Short term losses may mean that you never get that chance.
– Adding flange distance from the start may have inhibited a lot of mount-adapters, and that would have prevented the success.
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Redfern, I believe small lenses could be made using collapsible design.
And maybe you can design a curved sensor, or using micro lenses
or what they call it. Time will tell.
Yep, anything’s possible! But collapsible FF lenses? That’s a tall order. Like you said, time will tell. All I know is that I’m excited to see what Sony comes up with next. Even if I don’t always like what they come up with, they are always on the move.
Curved sensors? – think about it, just how are you going to fabricate wafers for those cost effectively? (especially full frame)
Interesting idea indeed. I think this makes a lot of sense, even if it’s not exactly ideal. (FF E-mount lenses would be smaller).
So in summary, if we are looking to buy A-mount lenses today, it would be smart to go for the FF ones to take advantage of the future LA-EA3 adapter 😉
And it would now give me a “normal” FOV for my Canon FD 1.4 SSC!
They could do all this and even still come out with future E-mount lenses that would be “more” FF compatible.
So do we think the FF sensor will have on sensor PDAF or will LA-EA3 adapter have a translucent mirror? Or both? This is getting interesting!
I think it depends on how well the on-sensor PDAF performs in the NEX-5R and NEX-6. If it functions as well as a dedicated PDAF sensor block (it could happen — who knows?) then I’d expect the LA-EA3 to be a simple pass-through with a motor drive. This would be ideal for removing the mirror from the equation entirely. If not, then I’d expect the LA-EA3 to have a FF-sized translucent mirror.
Sony has until 2013 to get this sorted and evaluate the on-sensor PDAF performance in the field and user satisfaction before committing one way or another in the FF NEX. Let’s keep our fingers crossed!
“… use native E-mount lenses with APS-C crop on the new camera (for when you need something more compact), or attach something like an LA-EA3 adapter with a new FF-covering translucent mirror for when you want to use Alpha lenses.”
If AF can be measured directly from the sensor, no mirror might be needed at all. The only purpose of a translucent mirror is for AF-measurement.
Yep, agreed. See my comment right above yours. I think it really depends how PDAF on sensor performs in the upcoming NEXs. That will probably determine its fate in the FF NEX.
Good analysis.
And if they use PDAF on sensor, that will eliminate the need for SLT adapters. Straight barrel like EA1 adapter is all that’s needed.
It’s not the best solution for FF mirrorless, but it might be the best FF mirrorless solution for A-mount users.
If this were true, I’d expect of course much bigger, heavier, significantly more expensive, longer flange distance… but boy, what a treat. I’m no market researcher, but I’d expect this would be quite a treat for quite a few people.
I think you mean for a few people.
In all its greatness, I agree, this will never outsell the iPhone5 as a camera.
Rigthfully appreciated by some, but for most, not a necessity.
Andrea,
“But this may be the first time I believe Sony could seriously compete against Nikon and Canon and Leica in the Full Frame world. Canon C300? Nikon D800? Leica M9? Hmmm, Sony may (very) slowly catch them all ”
I thought the A850/900, and now the A99 would be the serious competition against D800 and 5D3. Does this mean that a FF NEX would indicate the drop in seriousness from A99 and A mount as a whole? Why would not A99 be ‘a serious’ competitor? I am guessing you know something we do not, as if Sony plans to ditch the A mount in the future.
A statement like this casts shadow in the way Sony may plan to do things, or the perception we can get from a supposed Sony strategy after FF NEX, if possible.
Personally, i don’t like mirrors in cameras and specially even that 35mm full frame sensor is tiny corresponding to that huge full frame body and yes fixed focal length lenses looks funny on that type of body for sure. Zooms are not any quality lens. So Sony nex full frame is the future. It takes time to defeat a conservative establishment but SONY seems to conquer it intelligently and to everyones surprise in a short time. RX100 is already killing the sales of entry level reflex mirror cameras. Recent data shows that. Third generation of peoples seems to totally discard traditional professionalism. The future lies on technology …. say like… wi-fi, gps, touch screen, portable form factor and custom independent application to operate a camera boby like in rumored ‘NEX-6’. I sense SONY in near future will rule the camera and the related sector. I see Sony and Panasonic emerging as top duos in camera manufacturers in very near future.
Why i said so? … can u imagine the same 30fps in 1080p for more than 3 years that they are still carrying as top video features in a dslr?
RX100 has already demolished them all now think about NEX6 and NEX9 (full frame) … where are we heading to…. ?
Andrea,
The sensor of the Canon C300 is not full frame… only 24.6 x 13.8mm.
Thanks for the opportunity to donate. What percentage of the donation by visa actually makes it to you?
I don’t know that. Donations are now up to 155 Euro. Thanks! Will remove the button if it reaches the 450 Euro mark.
The question we should ask:
Will Sony create a FF E-mount lens. If so, why create 4 types of lens range.
1. FF A-mount lenses, can be use on E-mount body via adapters
2. APSC A-mount lenses, can be use on E-mount body via adapters
3. APSC E-mount lenses, use on e-mount bodies only
4. FF E-mount lenses
Only the first 2 can be used for cross-platform mount.
I now beginning to feel FF NEX is not necessary.
I remember NEX system is about size. FF lens will make it bulky on the lens end.
After these masses of excited comments you’re feeling, a “FF NEX is not necessary”? Whow, you don’t have a clue what people are doing with such a camera, do you?
Sony does not need to sell any lens together with their Full Frame NEX, since it will have phase detection on it’s sensor and might come with a LA-EA1 adapter or possibly EA3 simply passing through the contacts. Maybe there will be a standard kit pancake, but a Full Frame NEX would be made more to attach existing lenses anyway.
I’m having here an old Canon FD 85mm 1:1.2L from the 80’s, but sells theses days on eBay for similar prices I paid then. It’s kind of bulky with a NEX and APS-C is definitely a waste of image circle. Just to continue working with this lens I would buy a Full Frame NEX. But imagining the idea of a Full Frame NEX also used for video gets even better, because this would be the ultimate camera for video & photography finally growing together…
That’s the right idea, NEXfive. I had a chance to buy a Canon FD 85/1.2 for $500 a few months back but was strapped for cash and didn’t pull the trigger. Now I’m wishing I had! If people are smart they’ll start snapping these lenses up now.
Yeah, sorry you’re feeling sad about exactly the same that totally excites me.
All these old manual lenses have increased a lot already within the past few years and I guess this will continue. Full Frame will make a huge difference for the 85mm 1:1.2L without the crop factor. It becomes the perfect portrait lens again instead of 50mm now, which is also great, because unfortunately it often shows masses of purple fringing and therefore sometimes isn’t that useful cropped as standard telephoto lens. Also I’m hoping Sony will give their Full Frame NEX In-Body-Stabilisation – something like OM-D would be great, since Sony will not sell this camera cheaply anyway…
NEXfive,
I know what I’m talking about as I own and use my NEX-3 + LAEA2 + Sigma 400mm F5.6 APO Macro or 70-300G at times.
Do you know how big that rig is?
Which Nex body and cam you use? Don’t get too excited by the FF sensor rumor thingie too early.
With the above rig, I can imagine how big such FF rig could be too.
Anyway my comment on it not being necessary is for me to own, not saying it’s not necessary for others.
Sony can invent what they like, nothing I or others say can stop them.
Hope you know what you are talking.
Yes, I know how big such combinations are, since I’m also using an old Canon FD 500mm 1:8 Reflex and a 300mm 1:5.6 plus Extender to make them 600mm & 1000mm and nevertheless their massive weights and dimensions I’d already bought faster long telephoto lenses if they weren’t that expensive. A NEX isn’t more than a rear cap to these lenses, but when walking around with that and a tripod of course, it will be quite an advantage to have a full frame sensor instead of APS-C only, yeah…
So where is the 600mm NEX FF lens? Or even the much shorter 70-400G?
They’re right in front of your eyes
Sony started out as an electronics company – and they are good at making electronics (including image sensors).
Other camera companies started out making optics – and they are good at making lenses.
The good thing about this camera is that you will be able to adapt their lenses to Sony electronics.
Walter you need to get out more often.
Si
Walter
Think of this as a digital back. Put a focusing rail and bellows in front of it and it may be great for your macro work.
I waited for two years! Thank God!
Imagine if it had the D800 sensor in it!!!!!!
And imagine it has no left focus point problem!
SCNR 🙂
The C300 is not Canon’s flagship photography camera, nor is it full-frame. You should perhaps mention the 5D Mark III or 1D x instead.
“…is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts” = SR5?
i don’t get it
Perhaps the rumor came from the mistress of the head of Sony Imaging
I’ll explain it to you then. Andrea doesn’t take responsibility for your decisions based on rumors. Got it?
Why even bother rate the rumors at all then? Get it now?
There are two apsects:
1) My rumor rating based on my perosnal experience with sources.
2) The general concept of rumor (news based on non proven info).
Got it?
If they build in IBIS, this could be my next NEX 🙂
I can’t wait to buy one!
keep in mind that sony is a badass sensor producer. both leica (with his x1 with small sensor) and nikon used them for a while (d800 has a sony-made FF, as you all know). That being said, I have high expectations about this new announcement.
about the lenses: I guess the nex system had just started to attract pro photographers who demand high quality glass. it has been less than a year since the whole nex thing became part of many m9, 5d or d700/800 users’ gear. sony took a shot in the dark. and it worked! so we might expect new high end lenses coming out in a nearby future, now that both sony and third part manufacturers are paying attention. the leap towards mirrorless FF proves it big time. So, yeah, zeiss will certainly bring some new primes to e-mount. as well as voigtlander, SK and others.
But I still don’t understand why is it so important to have a whole lineup made only by native e-mount lenses. buy some good M-mount or contax-g adapter and you will have some absurd quality legacy lenses. even contemporary lenses, such as the elmar 50/2,8 or the summicron V5. and this, plus the peaking function, is something every nex user should experiment. leitz glass on a FF nex will be mindblowing. especially if sony manages to fix the CA+soft borders issue on double-gauss symmetric design wide angle rangefinder lenses. I have the first nex-5 and will buy the nex-7 now. but it served me well for street shooting using an old summaron with hiperbolic focus at f.16 or f.11 all the time. leave alone someone using a full frame nex with a brand new 21, 28 or 35 ASPH.
Auto focus is important, yes! really important. I can’t assume everyone will use a mirrorless for street photography and street photography only. so, this is only my opinion based on experiences I had in my field. but I don’t ignore other photographers’ needs. and for those who want awesome glass + phase detection speed focus, I honestly believe the nex system is becoming way more complete, quality-wise, and we won’t need to wait that much.
m4/3 is good, but its 2X crop factor just doesn’t work for me. I have zeiss, angenieux and leica stuff that would be useless with their focal length being twice the one in a 35mm equivalent. so these cameras work as islands. you are limited to a few good lenses, but that’s all.
the aps-c sensor is good enough for many people (even pros), but sony has to improve it anyways (there are flaws like the unnecessary 24mp – in MY opinion – and the issue with some legacy lenses). so why not improve it in a legendary way?
FF NEX, Mid 60’s Leica lenses. Sign me up.
It doesn’t even have to have anything over 14mp. Just give me a chance to use any lens made through adaptors and Focus peaking on Full Frame.
Don’t need flashy 3d or pano or tilty screens.
There will be no slt ff after a99. Nex ff will be hybrid and called nex-a9 with 36mp nikonian sensor. It will be the flagship ff!!
sonyhemuda: if what you say is true, then that is fantastic!
That is why the SLT is going to be called a99 😉
Big fucking deal. Sony can’t even make a reasonably sized lens for the cropped sensor NEX line. Who the hell wants a tiny camera body, with even MORE gigantic FF lenses. Stupid rumor. And stupid idea.
I have to agree unless there are a raft of new lenses we have not heard about.
What makes me laugh is that they are all cagey about their next SLT and yet they are happy to bang on about the FF NEX that does not have lenses to back it up.
I think SAR is playing a fools game.
Si
And stupid comment.
You’re right. Leica and other FF rangefinder lenses are huge@!##!… oh wait. nm, you’re wrong. It’s amazing how many people are bitching about lack of native NEX lenses. You just don’t get it.
If true this will truly be revolutionary. We already know that Sony makes the best sensors. A FF Nex would undoubtedly have a better sensor than the next Leica, the M10, unless Sony makes that sensor for Leica as well.
The small body size would be an advantage over Nikon and Canon FF dslrs. And it would fit, with adaptors, pretty much any lens out there. Imagine a Sony sensor Nex used with a Leica lens…image heaven.
A small FF body with an incredible Sony sensor: this will make waves and sell like hotcakes (to use a bunch of cliches in one sentence!).
If Sony keeps this innovation up, and doesn’t ruin it by getting into too many tangents that gimmicks that make it too confusing to the consumer, then they will be THE photographic company for the first half of the 21st century.
I was actually hoping Sony would stick with the evolution they had going on the NEX series. I have patiently waited since Panasonic first started making mirrorless cams for them to make something I thought could be a good replacement for my old SLR but with less bulk. After reading recently about the NEX 7 and NEX 5n with the ability to mount phase detect autofocus via LA-EA2, I started thinking I might jump aboard. I hope the NEX 5R is NOT FF. I want a compact companion camera for hikes and stuff, that I can still put lots of accessories on and have lots of manual control. I actually want to see them develop the lenses more on both fronts. Small pancake primes and retractable zooms for the compactness, and f2.8 zooms and f1.8+ primes for the best quality. The NEX 7 looks really good to me, but I liked the look of the NEX 5N even more. If I could pick and choose I would like a NEX 5n with pop-up flash and flip screen, like the F3, and a couple control wheels like the NEX 7. Also a better menu system. I hope the new 5R is something like this, and the compact zoom really is compact. That may entice me to finally buy.
If I can use my FF Zeiss glass with it, I’m buying it. Period.
Sounds like you’re waiting for the same NEX 6 as I am.
Nex 7’s tri-nav, flip-screen, built-in flash in a size in between Nex7 and Nex5…
An all electronic shutter would really be a nice bonus too…
Excellent news. If it has IBIS (SSS), I’m interested.
If it has electronic shutter – absolutely silent shooting – I am ALL IN without hesitation! OH GOD(sony) F*CKING PLEEAASE!!
what u shooting up the skirt???
nice one jon…how about an invisibility cloak to go with that silent camera!!
I would love to see a leica x2 or x100 Alternative.
yeah and my squirrel can fly… try to shoot with a ff nex at the olympic.. maybe with focus peaking —-> 😀 ahahaha! I must follow rss? buy a canon and you can shut down this rum site
Was it NEXfive and redfern who mentioned this? That all current NEX lenses will be used in crop mode on the rumored NEX FF. FF lenses such as the A-mount Zeiss lenses etc can be mounted via the EA1 and a potentially new EA3 adapter (bigger mirror to cover the FF area than the EA2). This goes hand in hand with the hybrid mount rumor. The only downside using the full sensor of the NEX FF will be size, but it will still be smaller than all current FF SLRs.
I DIG THAT APPROACH!!! Using the Leica M-adapter on a FF NEX will be out of this world!
Hey, I didn’t thought about that former hybrid rumour when I imagined an LA-EA3 adapter, but you’re right, this could be the fulfilment of this rumour here: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/rumor-roundup-fixed-lens-aps-c-camera-to-be-announced-in-summer-hybrid-e-a-mount-cam-in-2013/ & http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr3-a-possible-protoype-rumor-list-36-mpx-cam-pro-nex-hybrid-videocamera-400mm-lens/
If they have on sensor PD-AF, like the NEX 6, you won’t need an SLT mirror in the adapter.
HOOOOLY SHIIIIT shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
Too bad they can’t make good e-mount lens : /
By good I mean sharp, and COMPACT.
No use to have a NEX if you have to use it with huge lenses like DSLR ones…
Gee, I thought there would be more interest in a FF mirror-less camera.!
Mirrorless FF with A-mount, kills most of SLT FF. Neither Nikon or Canon are trying to do so for the moment. Leica makes M9 and the next step there is R2 medium format. As the sensors and process speeds are growing, and if Sony goes FF in mirrorless, the SLT’s way is MEDIUM FORMAT FOR CONSUMERS. There is the revollution that you are looking for.
Damn, just the news we have been asking for 2 years. I know Andrea had some rumors a while back about a camera that could handle both A mount and E mount lenses.
SR5 is exciting!
I just got off the phone with an Alpha tech and he denied the full frame rumor. The tech said there’s no plan for a full frame sensor for their NEX line, and are focused on the APS-C sensor for the NEX system. Maybe he wasn’t aware of this? Maybe it was to avoid acknowledging this “rumor” and making it public?
If thy have been trying to keep this camera secret Sony are unlikely to have told ordinary technicians about this
If they were smart, Sony would release this with three Zeiss primes. Wide angle normal and portrait.
In fact make that: revive and update all the Zeiss lens designs made for the Contax G2. 😉
The flange distance has to be changed and so do the mount. No matter in terms of business points of view or optical.
It will be interesting to see how they work out that issue. I would love to use my old Nikon glass with a little camera like this. Even the aps-c nex cameras feel like all lens no body. This camera will be even more front heavy. I also don’t think current Sony lenses produce and image circle that is large enough for ff.
If this rumor is true it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Joe
I’m another one who would love to use Nikon lenses with a full frame NEX-8.
I foresee Full Frame Russian Jupiter glass going up in price and getting harder to find.
The M10, with it’s movie mode, EVF, and live view, is going to look like an expensive Nex. Could it be that Leica becomes a lens company only?
Canon had a chance to do this with their EOS-M, Sony has taken up the challenge, it’s all good.
The NEX 600mm and 70-400G lenses must fit in a shirt pocket. Or smaller to be appropriate for NEX.
Been out all day on a photographic foray in a natural area, How about the rest of you?
For the shirt-pocket crowd Sony already make the RX100
“The NEX 600mm and 70-400G lenses must fit in a shirt pocket. Or smaller to be appropriate for NEX.”
Why?
Tell me again that Walter isn’t a troll
I WISH ITS LPF LESS.
Hope the nex have the A77 svivel lcd screen,would make it great. 😀
Hmmm, will Sony produce an Nex 8 FF 24megapixels and Nex 9 FF 36 megapixels. In near future, I trust sony technology will bring high megapixel to low noise. : )
A FF Nex, sounds great. This is just what I am looking for. When do you think this will come out end of next year?
My problem is that I am a pro photographer and I am about to upgrade my two 5D2 cameras, I will probably go for the 5D3, but I would like to have a Nex as my back up and weekend camera. I am sick of carrying two heavy camera bodies with me, I wish there was an adapter that allowed me to have full usability with my canon L lenses. ( Focus as well) Saying that, if the Nex 6 is good I will buy one for the weekends and the 5R for my wife. I want some fun cameras, the Canon 5Ds are for work.
Anyway the NEX couple of weeks should be good. Who knows if Sony plays their cards right, myself and lots of other pro will be shooting with them. I would love to have a A99 and a nex 7 with phase adapter in my bag.
I’m getting a bit tired of canons, specially when they bought out the eos M?
Mark
Nobody has mentioned it, but I think it is highly probable that this full frame NEX(-9 ? ) will use the same sensor as Leica M10, with offset microlenses. Leica has to insist on that in order to enable its old lenses work well on digital sensor and Sony would be wise to use it in the same way. This could be THE camera for legacy glass. Cross fingers…
As for current NEX APS-C lens compatibility, they could enable it via adapter and use cropped part of the sensor, that’s not the problem.
I was so hoping for this! And the best thing about SONY going FF the first (after Leica) is that they are the gods of compactness and are able of making the camera so much smaller than the M9 🙂
It seems everyone have something to say about FF NEX.
I still didn’t understand the rationale of FF sensor for compact camera system.
Compact very high quality lenses (if sensor is done properly), that’s it
The main rationale for a FF NEX is image quality, not body size. The next step in image quality requires that we get rid of mirror focus inaccuracies and mirror slap. The Nikon D800 focusing problems prove the point. The remaining challenges for mirrorless are a top quality viewer or magnified-LV and fast, accurate image sensor autofocus. It seems Sony NEX is showing the way.
It would be a dream: I have Canon FF system and Olympus OM-D for compact solution. If I could have a NEX full frame with EVF and focus peaking, I will probably sell everything and buy just this one with a couple of AF zooms and Leica primes with adapter. As said, it would be a dream…. Let see. Devid
I will keep my NEX7 and use it for telephoto shots. I get a free 1.5x multiplier when using the 7. The main attraction of the FF NEX will be getting full use of my WA lenses. I have a 21, 28, 35 and 50 that all get a little ‘robbed’ by the crop factor.
Woohoo!!!! A Picture Is Worth A Thousand Words!!!!
this doesnt make sense, its an SR5 rumor, meaning its almost certainly true according to your own explanation of the rumor rankings. but you say:
I just learned via (many) trusted sources…..
then you say:
As usual with rumors keep your expectations low and be aware that this is a rumor based on mysterious sources and NON-facts.
I answered many times the same question:
1) One thing is my rumor ranking based on my experience with sources:
2) Another story is the “meaning” of rumor. I have to remind you from a LEGAL point of view that I don’t take any responsability if for example you buy shares from Sony based on rumors or if a “rumor” turns out to be false.
@admin
You may remember when “Warning: Contents Hot” warning labels had to be enlarged because somebody ignored the original, albeit smaller, warning label and forgot that Hot Coffee is … well … hot. Likewise, you shouldn’t be surprised that you have to answer the same question about rumors many, many times.
On the other hand, you may find it humorous that the very people who harass you because they ignore your disclaimer about rumors are probably the same people who get burnt by hot coffee because they didn’t realize that hot coffee was going to be so hot.
No offense, but that is a terrible analogy.
Please, take the time to read the wikipedia article about Liebeck v McDonald’s (the case you are referring to) before you mock it. Everyone knows that coffee is hot. So is the sun. They are not the same degree of hotness. People have an expectation for the temperature of hot coffee. McDonald’s coffee well exceeded this temperature, to the point where it caused 3rd degree burns. The reason the warning was ineffective isn’t because the person couldn’t read it, or because the person was stupid and didn’t realize the coffee was hot, but because the coffee was abnormally hot, well exceeding a consumer’s expectations for “hot” in the context of coffee. When that happens, the manufacturer needs to take special care to explain the situation.
@David, No offense taken. At your recommendation, I reviewed the wikipedia article. Thank you. Here are some references you may want to review at your convenience. They are a little bit more robust than wikipedia, then again, what isn’t. There are plenty more, you just have to look.
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1543284.html
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This one is a popular one. Perhaps you could start here.
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Again, thanks for the wikipedia reference.
hmmm We’ll see,
I’ve been waiting for (and foreseeing) this since I got my NEX 7, and suddenly discovered that my M9 had found its new place on a shelf . . . I will purchase a 24×36 version of the NEX 7 IMMEDIATELY whatever the price tag will be.
It won’t have an optical finder… So who cares.
Any good guesses on time-frame? I’m not crazy about a FF NEX but I’m looking at upgrading my NEX in the next year. Considering the 7 replacement but a FF would open up some great options.
I’m a Nikon system user (D800/D7000) with a full catalogue of lenses so I’ve clearly got a strong investment in that other company, but this rumour excites me a great deal.
If they can keep the body under $1500, give me a great EVF and somehow find a way to keep the 24, 50 and 85mm 1.8 primes (I really dont care for FF zooms on such a small body) under $500 a pop, then I’ll most definitely buy into the system as a daily walk-about / holiday kit.
This is precisely what Sony need to do to get us other guys on board. Excellent work Sony if this is true!
Imagine how gigantic the 24 1.8 for a ff would be!
Crossing my fingers!!
Plz make an adapter for my Nikon rangefinder glass… I will buy this immediately as long as it works for all my primes from 21-135mm. 24mp at least. I will be in RF heaven. Hopefully with EVF with TTL viewing and focus peaking or something along that line…
What exactly is a revolution? Does it mean Sony has started working on the drawing board or a FF model is about to be released?
Why classify as SR5 if “based on mysterious sources and NON-facts”?
A NEX-7-like FF. is what I’ve been dreaming for.
If it had an in-camera auto-focus and IS (by moving the sensor) it would be the perfect tool for using lenses made by others on it.
Just imagine how would be to have in-camera AF and IS on old Leica lenses…
Yes, I would cancel my reservation on a Leica M, and order an FF NEX in stead – hopefully it will be announced before my M is here . .
FF sensor on a mirrorless body (big boobs on a slim frame): “Hhhhhyes!”
Could this finally be the muzzle for arbitrary Canon clowns? Or a Sony sideshow?
I hope this is true. I think this would be the best and kill Leica M9 for image quality and of course value. I would buy a FF Nex in a heartbeat. I also hope they offer it without AA filter like Nikon D800E. I am in the crowed that think no AA filter looks better. Finally I hope they improve the color over the Nex-7. Nex-7 takes great detail shots but the color is depressing, dark and full of brown and orange tones too much compared to M9, Nikon D800, and Fuji X series. Sony, fo full frame, improve the color, and drop the AA filter with 36 megapixels and you will RULE THE WORLD… for a little while at least.
Sony is cutting jobs but for some silly reason doesn’t want to add English to the menus of the cameras they sell here in Japan. It’s kinda sad. They could easily sell more cameras by just adding an English menu over here.
The new RX1 looks like a nice camera but I want a wide-angle lens so I will have to wait for the NEX-9 FF or what ever is coming out next. I hope it has a touch panel, it’s wireless and it comes with a popup flash like in the RX100 or RX1.
I bought the RX100 and I’m kinda happy with it but the pictures kind of have too much noise (JPG noise??). Black and white images also take a long time to process and purples always end up looking blue as well for some reason.
Any news on when their next lot of cameras will be coming out?
RX100: It is difficult to focus sometimes having the preview pop up onscreen after you turn the dial but then having to half press down the shutter button and use the wheel to find the areas you need to look at. Can we get an update to make focusing easier soon please?
Price your new Nex-FF correctly SONY & your Nex numbers will threaten Nikon!
SAR probably sure sold a lot of NEX lenses with this post. Not feeling the love today, huh?