Short break from E-M1 talk. If that camera is too expensive for you then look at the cheaper and brand new alternative, the Panasonic GX7. There are two new reviews praising the camera:
Trustedreviews writes:
The Panasonic Lumix GX7 is a real leap forward in comparison to its predecessor, the GX1. It’s a solidly designed CSC with some real stand-out features, including the tilt-angle viewfinder and exemplary touchscreen LCD, that takes great photos, too.
And Whatdigitalcamera says:
The GX7 is a very polished and well-made camera that not only delivers excellent results, but is also a pleasure to use at the same time. Panasonic has made a bold statement saying that the GX7 is their best Lumix camera to date, and we have to say we fully agree.
GX7 preorder list (Click on store name to open the GX7 price, specs and preorder page):
Silver GX7 body at Amazon US, BHphoto, Adorama, Samys, Wex Deutschland, Wex UK , Amazon JP.
Silver GX7 with 14-42mm lens at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, Samys, Henrys, Wex Deutschland, WexUK, Amazon UK.
Black GX7 body at Henrys, Wex Deutschland, Wex UK, Amazon UK, Amazon Japan.
Black GX7 with 14-42mm lens at Henrys, Wex Deutschland, Wex UK, Amazon UK.
Black GX7 with 20mm lens at Henrys, Wex UK, Amazon UK, Amazon Japan.
Silver GX7 with 20mm lens at Henrys, Wex UK, Amazon UK, Amazon Japan.
175 Responses
Compared to the leaked EM1, these are beautiful!
Now Pany have finally gone IBIS I’ve lost my last reason to stick with Olympus. The E-P5 should have looked like this. Congrats Panny, this looks like ‘the best M43 to date’ hope the IQ and handling back up that claim.
I am also very happy Panasonic as gone with IBIS. However, I would still need some confirmation that their IBIS is any good.
There was info somewhere that GX7 employs 2-axis os. Absolutely not equal to IBIS and even worse than Pana lens Mega OIS.
Though need more confirmation about
Panasonic IBIS is a bit rubbish.
When I saw the E-M1 video where they demonstrated the E-M1 IBIS I was truly amazed. Panasonic is nowhere near that, not even close.
How do you even take yourself seriously? That kind of steady, constant motion s the easiest kind of motion for IS to fix. Video cameras were doing that demo 10 years ago. It proves *nothing*!
Yes, Oly 5-axis IBIS works very well, but to be impressed by that demo only demonstrates ignorance.
here is the thing…yes..the IBIS in the OMD, EP5 and new EM1 is superior to what Panasonic is offering in the GX7. The Oly IBIS is great stuff….but you have to admit…no Panasonic camera has had any IBIS until now…. sooooo this is better than none, especially if you like the form factor of this camera, which Olympus has nothing to compete with it….if you get another stop or two with the IS that the camera DOES have ….it is much better than having none…so I can put say my Oly 12mm on the GX7 and shoot hand-held at a lower ISO than my GX1 or a GH3, G6 etc…So this is great news. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water.
1. you don’t know if that demo is real.
2. If it were real it is compensating for programed motion, not random human motion
3. Your subject is still moving. IS is a joke.
GX7 IBIS is supposed to be worse than even Mega OIS? Panasonic claim that it is about as good as Mega OIS.
Are there any tests of how well the GX7 IBIS is or how do you know it’s so bad?
I’m not blindly believing Panasonic’s marketing claims, but some proof would be helpful to contradict them.
Is it worse than the IBIS that was there previously, since there wasn’t any?
Too bad the GX7’s IBIS doesn’t work in video. The IBIS on the E-M5 is absolutely amazing with video. This is a huge disappointment from Panasonic, in my opinion.
“Too bad the GX7′s IBIS doesn’t work in video. The IBIS on the E-M5 is absolutely amazing with video. This is a huge disappointment from Panasonic, in my opinion.”
Yes, but unfortunately Steve, the Oly’s are almost completely useless for video due to the abysmal codec, low bitrates, and only outputting 1080p 30. So it doesn’t matter how incredible the IS is, the damnable things are still pumping out repellent video.
It’s like putting solid gold shoes on a nag: A racehorse they do not make.
E-m5 uses only 3-axis ibis when using video mode, as you know.
And also the ibis is combined with digital stabilization, so there’s a little loss of the angle of a lenses.
and the ibis has some drawback in video mode, like this
http://image.popco.net/Review/LENS/Panasonic_LUMIX_G_X_12-35/images/2/IS-OIS_2.MOV (E-M5 ibis on, Lumix 12-35 f2.8 lens IS off)
http://image.popco.net/Review/LENS/Panasonic_LUMIX_G_X_12-35/images/2/IS-OIS_3.MOV (E-M5 ibis off, Lumix 12-35 f2.8 lens IS on)
At first glance, E-M5’s ibis seems to have better stability, but pixels of the ibis-on video is shaking a little bit if you look closely.
You just have to use lenses with IS for video.
It is always better if you can choose between lens IS and body IS. Both concepts have pros and cons.
If I am going to hand held and I am serious about IS, this is what I use : http://www.redrockmicro.com/assets/images/product/microSM_main_02_lg.jpg
Yes I know, not always practical. But to me, IS in video is like having a discussion on jpeg engine on a $1500 camera body. Its good for the not serious clips..
Many a photo journalist would object to your comment about the use of a good jpeg engine on a $1500 camera. For news, you do not have time for fiddling with raw conversion, as your competition will have pictures at the news agency before you and you are out of income.
….especially the silver one!!! It kind of grows on you.
+1
beautiful yes but the E-M1 looks more serious.
+1000
Hey, the E-M1 is a pro machine!!!
It was all praises for the GX7 last week. Suddenly all these Panasonic fanboys appeared here and kept attacking the E-M1 on its looks!
This E-M1 meets or beats the GX7 in everything except in price and in the tilting. It has better and bigger EVF, IBIS, PDAF, ergonomics, the option to use many more lenses that are beautiful if you need and can afford them, and other pro specs like waterproofing, … …. …. And this is just another choice for those who need a pro level camera in M43 that you belong. There is no need for you to buy it, OK?
So sad for you boys if you can only see Panasonic and not the world beyond. I think this camera is a great thing for all photog s in M43 and those in other systems, just to have such a fine camera as a choice, even though I can’t afford to buy it.
Yeah! Choice is the word here. There are people who like the retro OM look and there are those who like a rangefinder look. They all have their choice now in a high-end M43 camera. Some can afford and buy an expensive pro camera, other like to use a cheaper one, and there are choices for them too. What’s wrong with that?
Carrying on attacking the E-M1’s looks even in a blog that is about the GX7’s reviews is so immature. It shows that these fanboys love so much the 5-axis IBIS, the huge EVF and all the goodies in the E-M1 but are so unhappy because it does not have a Panasonic label, or because they cannot afford it.
I think the E-M1 is beautiful.
So all of that wasnt an attack on the GX7?? THIS is whats wrong with this place, the hipocaracy is amazing. You just did the same thing you say thats going on on the em1 comments.
People left and right call me pana fanboy here, despite me having more oly stuff than pana, quite frankly I dont give 2 sh*ts about either, I have both and use them both the same. I just like to have fun with the all out fanboys to be perfectly honest. The fact of the matter is that it is NEVER like you just said here, people are never respectful of the choices of others here. This is a pana bash forum hands down. It was all NOT praises on the gx7 announcement, go look for the comments. Bashing bashing bashing, and for no reason too “oh the ibis is crap” “the jpeg colors” “tilting evf is crap” “the white balance!!!”. GO look for the comments on the gh3 announcement day too, its a circus of pana bashing from the looks to the price to the non mar sensor to the size or no ibis. It was endless.
Now oly has a camera that is indeed ugly and with the battery grip its BIGGER than the GH3 and ALL of the sudden it doesnt matter. THE SAME PEOPLE that called the gh3 big and expensive that day are giving the em1 a pass. Again, go look for the gh3 announcement. its not a pana vs oly thing, its the sheer hipocaracy of some people here, how do you expect me not to have fun with it?
I really wouldnt want to side with one of the problematic characters here, and Ive learned the hard way not to comment here but, sadly enough this is for the major part a no holds bar panasonic bashing forum. More often than not on panasonic related news theres a bunch of comments outright saying that panasonic is garbage or crap of whatever. Few times anybody says anything about it. But the instant a negative comment about olympus is posted an army of posters go all out to insult the poster. Even if the comment is a perfectly valid and well argumented opinion.
Either way, panasonic and olympus are the same, Its actually quite magical, two major companies that actually share a mount! its sad to see places like this turn it into a flame war.
Well, there’s also quite some negativity on the E-M1 rumors…
And of course it’s good to have some competition. Between the companies. Competition between consumers? That is completely insane. I’m a better photographer, because I own an Olympus? I’m a smarter customer, because I just bought a Panasonic? And then there are some that need to explain both options are wrong? So, let’s start a fight? Really unbelievable.
So someone says choice is good, and it is an attack on the GX7? Your stupidity is amazing.
And yes, you are obviously a Panasonic fanboy, filling every Olympus related thread with moronic negativity, and being all up in arms whenever people do not blindly praise Panasonic. Your post here just totally proves that point together with your behavior in the previous E-M1 related threads.
Nothing wrong with different opinions, but everything wrong with your behavior, and I look forward to the day admin takes action to get rid of morons like you who are just incapable of stating opinions in a normal way and have to attack everyone and everything with a possibly different opinion.
Agreed, choice is good!
It’s true it may well beat it in every area (as it should with a substantially higher price) except we don’t know yet whether it will in:
video – interestingly, I was told one of the reasons for not introducing ibis during video on gx7 is it compromises quality of video due to heat. One of the reasons gx7 does 60p and up to 28mbps and Oly doesnt. Maybe Pana think quality>stabilization in video.
Focus peaking for manual lenses (works in video too): I’m a voigtlander user and have struggled to focus with it quickly on my Em-5 and GH3. I tried the gx7 in a photo store and it makes a big difference.
Size: hard to tell from the videos but the GX7 form factor seems more discreet. Which may or may not be what people want.
IQ (probably on par, but not yet known)
Anyway, still think they are considerably different cameras and something I think we can agree on both Panasonic and Olympus seem to be listening to their customer base. Good times for m43 IMO
“This E-M1 meets or beats the GX7 in everything except in price and in the tilting.”
That’s right, COST.
The E-M1 is D.O.A.
The people for this camera are so low, they won’t show on pie charts.
The GX7 will sell, so I suggest the Olympis faithful will spew negative propaganda against it, as they have always done.
Finally Olympus and mostly, it’s fanboys will be humbled. The E-M1 is destined to fail.
But at least the fanboys will be able to buy it at a substantial price drop.
Wow! So much hatred. Olympus is enemy number 1 for you?
Ridiculous comment. The GX7 is a great camera and so does the EM-1 seem to be. However we are comparing apples and oranges. For me the reason to go with m43 is that it is small, light weight and not so intimidating to people. In this aspect GX7 is almost the ultimate camera.
For proffessional photography FF is still the preferred system for most. The greatness of the EM-1 is that it makes the m43 a more complete system. In the future you might get both the great portability and discretion of a camera like GX7 and the proffessionalism of a camera like EM-1 so you don’t have to own multiple systems. However the EM-1 will have a lot to prove in that regard It depends a lot on what you shoot. GX7 is the kind of camera that makes people buy m43 in the first place. Now EM-1 give you room to grow and stay within the system.
+1
“Compared to the leaked EM1, these are beautiful!”
So true! Didn’t like the look of GX7 that much initially (really dislike that stick-on looking grip on recent E-P cameras and GX7). But after seeing the leaked E-M1 photos, GX7 become so much nicer looking…
at first I thought WTF, and I got really disappointed with the new OM-D, but now, there is the Fuji X-A1 leak ,which is much much uglier than the E-M1. So I do not hate the EM-1 any more , in fact getting to like it a bit better.
I don’t know what olympus us thinking. The em1 looks like a lumpy plastic turd. The gx7, a beautiful piece of the future. So disappointed the ep5 didn’t have the form factor of the gx7.
Don’t be sad, go buy a gx7, its a very nice camera that seems to be just what you are looking for.
Unless…
You are just another one of those whiners who never buy anything and complain about everything.
I admit it: I am one of those whiners! 🙂
I have bought a few things, but I do whine even when I’m not in the market for it. It’s true. I won’t be in the market for anything for a while now.
At the same time, I am whining a lot less than I used to. Between the GX7, the E-P5, the E-M1, and even the mythical E-M7, it is just a world of very happy compromises! I will be a happy shopper by the time I am ready to buy. Even if I want to back out of the small sensor thing, there will be the NEX-FF and the mirrorless Alphas. Life is a pretty sweet fruit, as Bruce McCullough once said.
Through there is quite a difference between looking at things and giving an opinion, and complaining about everything that doesn’t fit your specific needs for 120%. I’ve yet to see you do the later, and what you posted now shows why I’d call that opinion and not whining 🙂
> look at the cheaper and brand new alternative
Well, we are still talking about 1000€ cam here. What is IMO about 150-200€ too much. But even at 1000€ it is still better deal than the E-P5. (Upside: I’m pretty sure E-P5 price would go down considerably after GX7 start selling.)
If my suspicions would come true – no black 20mm kit in Germany – then I probably would wait till November (since I can’t buy it for my September vacations anyway). Hopefully price would come down too.
Well..if you have an EM5 there is no real reason to buy the new Oly…minor upgrades..only makes sense if you are a 4/3 lens owner…really for that price…I am just keeping my OMD and waiting for the next series….
On the other hand…my GX1 and LVF-2 could do with replacing with the very cool GX7 (in silver thank you)….but I think I will just wait a while as the Panny cameras will drop in price not long after introduction. …in the meantime I hear eBay calling my GX1 …..LOL!
Better form factor, easier to pocket, better video – enough of a reason for me to ditch my omd
I want both…they are two really different cameras for different shooting needs.
The GX7 is a very pretty camera. Still for my use I will most likely replace my E-M5 for the E-M1. The reasons are:
1. More rugged body
2. Improved body with the addition to the grip and button placement
3. EV4 is a wonderful EVF
4. Built-in WIFI with full camera control (GX7 is equally as good if not better)
5. Faster shutter speed over the E-M5
6. Possibily better AF performance and useable C-AF and tracking.
7. Opens up the possibility of using the SHQ and HQ lenses at their full potential (even though I don’t own one yet and have y eyes on a few if the AF performas is up there).
8. My E-M5 after 14 months of use and abuse is really starting to show its age after 20,000 shots and I just don’t think a pretty camera like the GX7 will be able to take the abuse I put cameras to.
Anyhow, it is great to see so many excellent choices in MFT camera line-up.
The EVF on the GX7 is 1280*720 and the VF-4 is 1024*768. Personally, between the higher color accuracy and the higher horizontal resolution, the EVF on the GX7 seems better to me.
OTOH.. I really wish the GX7 had PDAF.
A few things to keep in mind there..
1280×720 with a 16:9 aspect ratio or 1024×768 with a 4:3 aspect ratio, the later will for still imaging produce a significantly larger, and higher resolution preview, but the first will give a much better preview for 16:9 aspect ratio video.
Vertical resolution is much more important for perception then horizontal resolution, especially when looking at a moving picture.
The rather short eyepoint of the gx7 evf will make it difficult to see the entire picture in it, especially for people wearing glasses, but even without this can be an issue.
We don’t know if the final camera, if there is one, will actually look like the one on the video posted here a few days ago.
The functioning of that camera is obviously way to far along for it to be just a mock-up. You can bet the final camera will look basically the same. Better fit and finish, but no significant changes in design.
Has there been any good testing of the IBIS yet?
All the reviews I have seen have not put any time into it….
Yeah, the omission of IBIS tests is a sign of real sloppiness. They shouldn’t rush these reviews, and instead of relying on the spec list for scores, do some real field testing …
Be realistic, people. These aren’t REVIEWS. They’re first impressions of a pre-production camera by a bunch of bloggers who can barely (most of them) figure out how to turn the camera on. A bigger bunch of amateurs won’t be found anywhere (except maybe this forum).
First user feedback was that it is not as effective as the Panny’s own OIS. Which in its turn, was reported many times before, not as effective as Oly’s IBIS, 2-axis or 5-axis.
Very preliminary tests say that the Panny 2-axis IBIS provides about 1 EV advantage.
Thanks for the info!
The em-5 seems like a great choice for the money amidst all the latest cams. My only gripe is the lack of on-board flash for triggering and quick fill purposes.
I completely agree. Imagine if a place like DXO actually placed scores for stabilization and factored them into their overall ratings… If possible, I would much rather shoot at 1/20 of a second than ISO 3200.
> The em-5 seems like a great choice for the money amidst all the latest cams.
Best bang for the buck is the E-PL5, IMO.
Unless, of course, you are after built-in EVF. Then it is definitely E-M5.
Or (let me confuse you) Samsung NX20 (because it is dirt cheap now, and IQ is good if you are shooting RAW).
The self delusion of Oly fans is endlessly fascinating. Real world testing has always shown that Pana’s OIS was always superior to Oly’s 2-axis IBIS. And the latest OIS lenses are pretty much the same as 5-way IBIS, maybe superior with long lenses, like the 100-300.
Can These newer OIS lenses give you sharp, greater than 1 second exposures?
There are multiple implementations of ibis, so which one are you comparing with?
And no, even the 12-35 and 35-100 OIS is no match for the ibis of the E-M5 and E-P5, in typical use the difference is about 1 to 1.5 stops, for close-up the difference is even bigger.
But that doesn’t make ibis in the e-plx, gx7, e-p1/2/3 or ois of any of the panasonic lenses useless.
OIS on the 14-42 and 12-35 panasonic lenses that I own is pretty much as good as the ‘2 axis’ ibis of the E-P1/2/3 models and the E-620 and better then that of the E-PLx cameras. No, its not entirely as good as the one in the E-3/5 and by far not as good as the ‘5 axis’ one in the E-M5 and E-P5.
How the GX7 compares? We’ll have to wait and see, but even if its ‘only as good’ as what the E-PLx models have, its quite useful and a major improvement. When insisting on comparing it with ibis, you’ll have to qualify which implementation.
Fascinating how import the look of the gear seems to be 😉
In an ideal world, great looks with great functionality would be the best combination 🙂
Pretty optimist & positive reviews for GX7 .
It’s quite simple here , want a RF camera , go for GX7 & love SLR style , wait for EM1 .
wondering if really this 5axis ibis is really that necessary.
If the Panasonic IBIS is only as good as say the stabilization in an e-p1, than I would say that the 5-axis is a substantial difference… If the Panasonic IBIS is any good, the gx7 will be my next camera.
We all know this, no need to repeat every day 🙂
IMO 3-4 EV advantage is always welcome. Instead of cranking up the ISO, just lower the shutter speed and let the camera do the magic.
That’s true if you only shoot static subjects. Lowering the shutter speed 3 stops won’t help at all if your subjects move, even a little bit.
True. But moving objects are relatively seldom. Fast moving – rare.
Unless of course you shoot sports. But that is a special area anyway and cranking up ISO is the least of the worries.
Of course it’s not necessary, in the same way that autofocus is unnecessary.
You can always bring a tripod.
When I need reliable stabilization it’s always 3-axis…
G.I.T.Z.O.
😛
Bye after following this site for several years, all the oozing bile and all the insults and hate on the m1 threads – I just don’t want to read that anymore. There are too many bad people here that want to spread hate to make this world worse for everyone. Haters gonna hate.
Just ignore the comments then? It’s not like the admin is negative towards the EM-1.
@E-1
Its 4-5 people using a multitude of ID`s, I’m sure admin has plans to finally deal away with these….. by next month 🙂
hopefully
You realize you are one of those?
He does.
heeeey…I did NOT write that!!!! see? this is why I dont post here.
I agree – I still come to the site and read the conversation daily, but feel like it’s not really worth commenting anymore. It’ll get lost amongst the negativity. It’s the same dpreview crowd.
@Em1 hopefully admin will fix this. Often I find myself writing an opinion, stopping along the way and delete my thought.
Reading people offending people is not funny nor interesting.
Saying that this is just internet is not an excuse nor a justification.
I thank Admin for his (great) job, but he should do something to avoid his site to become a cage where some crazy guy ruins everything with his bad manners.
This is one of the first articles I’ve read on this site, and after a quick scan of the comments section I have to agree… the community won’t be what keeps me here. Not if this is representative of how people discuss palm-sized consumer cameras. Some lovely comments here, for sure, but I feel discouraged from entering into any discussion due to the bizarre tribal allegiances and back and forth accusations of brand bias.
The bring down for me is that IBIS does NOT work in video mode, which it does on E-P5 and beautifully at that.
Yes. The ibis on the omd for video is very valuable
On the the reviews I read about the GX7 the other day suggested, that IBIS in video mode might be added later on (firmware upgrade):
http://www.smallcamerabigpicture.com/lumix-gx7-review-part-2-sensor-shutter-and-in-body-stabilization/
I don’t really trust Panasonic and their update promise, look at focus peaking is still missing from GH3
because on the GH3 peaking is *not* a simnple sofware update.
leave from fool guy,
at beginning oly had only 2 axis that may 1 stop IS in EP1 or 4/3 cam
point to develop i think new lumix m4/3 will upgrade more than 1 stop in future
Funny how Olympus products get such a heated discussion every time while panasonic’s efforts are accepted peacefully. It’s not only here but across the web.
Anyway, the GX7 suddenly appears like a safe bet for m4/3 owners. Reasonably priced, feature rich, ambitious but not too much so. It’s Panasonic’s version of the NEX7, a very well regarded camera and essentially risk free. Nevertheless, where there is no risk there is no excitement. It will satisfy perhaps 90% of the population but some types who like living on the edge will choose something more interesting for their shooting. That may be a Leica, a Fuji, a Ricoh or even an Olympus.
Of course, at the end of the day what you shoot with does not make a difference. The GX7 is as valid an option as any. Perhaps even more so, as it’s equipped with every bell and whistle on the planet. Does it make shooting more fun? Up to you.
“Funny how Olympus products get such a heated discussion every time while panasonic’s efforts are accepted peacefully. It’s not only here but across the web.”
You….. CAN’T be SERIOUS.
Panasonic, who just got into cameras in 2000/01?? Who (from Olyfanboys) “don’t deserve to be in the Canikon/Olympus/Fuji circle, yet Sony is allowed in?
Panasonic, when any Panasonic news is posted here, it instantly gets attacked with negative comments? Just look. Heck! Just scroll up!!
Just mention the 20mm 1.4, THE MFT lens, all time and watch it get attacked, EVEN THOUGH its the #1 selling micro four thirds lens… EVER.
So yeah, to sum it up, 43rumors is a “Pro” Olympus-Anything and “Anti” Panasonic-Everything website.
Your comment isn’t even funny.
Mr ALL CAPS
Just look at the recent e-m1 threads, the way panasonic fans feel attacked by some critical comments is just hilarious, as is your complaint.
Oh, and that 20mm is f/1.7 not f/1.4. I own one, but I suppose I’m not allowed to say it focusses slower then pretty much every modern m4/3 af lens eh?
Loving the character transformation going on here. I almost see the foam bubbles between the lines! 🙂
As I wear glasses and need a correction way beyond the diopter adjustment of any camera that can be bought, the very short eyepoint of the gx7 viewfinder is my only concern for my own personal use. Already owning an e-m5, I’m not in the market for a gx7 but its certainly an option I’d suggest looking at for those who are in the market for a new camera.
Damn it, the silver one is growing on me too fast !
I guess those two reviewers are not independant. I don’t trust them, their texts are rather equivalent of the Pany’s press file.
Even if I think the GX7 is a great camera, those kind of “reviews” are not what I am waiting.
Moreover, they understand nothing about photography! For instance, a Trusted Reviews sentence : “3:2 aspect screen not ideal for photos or video”
Ah ah, they’re clowns!
I read both reviews and they use the exact same text!
The review on the “trustedreviews” site is simply an edited, shorter version of the review on whatdigitalcamera, but much of the text is the same. They even use the same test shot of a bumble bee on a flower.
Talk about lame…
I genuinely wish there were more reviews where people actually discuss using the camera and not just read out the specs and post a couple of sample shots.
2axis stabilization (even on the E-PM2 and E-PL5) were a bit of a letdown to me. That is the major reason for me returning an E-PL5 and upgrading to the E-P5. May seem trivial, but once you’ve tasted it on the E-M5, it’s kinda hard to go back. For most people, standard technique should be enough, but if you’re going to buy a camera with IBIS, might as well go all the way…
Just my humble opinion.
Amen to that, once you are used to 5 Axis IS it is harder to use other camera without IS and met with blurry/shacky photos that is pretty sharp on the Oly with 5 axis IS, especially on prime/vintage lens.
Apparently your technique needs improvement, if you can’t take sharp photos without IBIS. And apparently you forgot that most of Panasonic’s lenses have OIS.
Apparently you don’t understand: It’s not that people’s technique is faulty, it’s that you find that the IBIS allows you take shots in situations that are beyond your normal abilities. Photographers have always had to resort to tripods in some situations. Tripods were part of the technique and there use was never considered a sign of bad technique, quite the reverse. IBIS takes the place of the tripod in many situations, it’s become a valuable tool, like the tripod.
+ 1000
Poor sods in denial…
yep static shots of static subjects in low light are now much easier to take gotta love IS/OIS/VR/
what about m43 board,
the last time many slr photographer use none-IS camera take many best photo.
but now if no IBIS or OIS can not take the photo ,if feel that throw camera to bin
and go to hell
The 5 axis ibis on the em5 allows me to shoot tack sharp static scenes at exposures longer than 1 sec handheld.
I’d like to see what magical technique you know of that can do this without the 5 axis ibis.
Case closed.
For sure IS is very useful for certain types of shooting as long as there is no subject movement and my new E-P5 excels at this with its 5-axis IS.There is on the other hand no doubt that for the type of shooting where IS helps a tripod will offer better results.As for hand-holding a 1 second shot I have my doubts that it will be sharp.Everyone knows that IS helps in some situations it is the OTT claims made about it that annoy people.
The scenarios where IS really makes a difference are, In Low light but not too low ,near static or completely static subjects as movement removes almost all advantage of IS.The usable shutter speed has to be lower than the reciprocal of the focal length otherwise IS does little. Then we have the DOF
sorry posted too soon lol
CNT,D Then we have the DOF advantage of mFT yes FF fanboys in this situation it is an advantage with my 25mm F1.4 I can get from 14mm to infinity in focus which suits my low light architectural shooting just fine.So we all know the advantages of IS but most of also know its weaknesses.It is a moot point anyway as most systems have a wide selection of IS/VR/OIS etc glass FF covers from 16mm to 1200mm
Even though I am an Oly body user and have ISfor all my lenses even if i used Panasonic bodies i would have it in my 12-35,35-100,100-300 and 45mm macro
No, I dont’ think you know all the advantages of IBIS, because you don’t practice other genres.
IBIS enabled to shoot Pens without EVF, and to shoot them even with one hand, as in Street Shooting.
Strong IBIS now allows ultra steady movies, and that is a game changer.
It now allows to shoot ultra long with legacy lenses and yet with a stable target, like a bird, in the EVF.
It’s only fanboys that deliberately try to obfuscate the importance of IBIS – LOL!
This is like saying you don’t know that the coil on the stove top burn, because you did not place your hand on it.
You see, I am coherent. I conceive that you know the advantage of IBIS despite not properly knowing about any genre of photography at all.
Sorry Jules, Amalric may behave like a real ^$^#&*^@ at times but he is totally and completely right here. Some things, this being one of them, you need to experience before being able to fully appreciate them.
Oh, and that is actually true for that hot stove as well, its just that you went through that one as a toddler already (at least the large majority of people does)
I resume. I have experience with IS, FredG has experience with IS too. (OIS counts too, this is not the actual dispute)
Yet, and here lies the dispute. Allegedly FredG doesn’t know the proper genre to fully appreciate IS.
And you say he is totally right? Sorry to say, no.
@jules
Let me quote yourself from a few posts up:
“This is like saying you don’t know that the coil on the stove top burn, because you did not place your hand on it.”
I disputed that, pointing out that actually almost everyone did experience that one already as a toddler. Its a silly attempt at an argument.
Second, no, the argument is specifically about IBIS, and the experience that for certain genres always having this available regardless of the lens used provides a significant advantage over systems where only specific lenses have IS. To witness, the difference between the 12-35/2.8 at 25mm and the 25/1.4 is 2 stops, but you lose OIS. A body with IBIS would allow taking advantage of those 2 stops while still having a form of IS. Similar thing happens with the 12, 17, 20, 45 and 75mm primes, tho its only between 1 and 1 1/3 stops.
Arguing that that does not provide a very significant advantage for situations where light is somewhat sparse is indeed being ignorant. Arguing that there are lenses from 12-300mm with OIS is indeed trying to confusing the issue as well as being ignorant. Arguing that YOU don’t need those things is totally fine, as that totally depends on your specific photography and has totally zero to do with comparing things based on merit.
You decided its specifically about IBIS. Its not.
From my experience with OIS, I can figure out what IBIS would do on a non stabilized lens just like I can figure out that a stove top burns. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do that.
I didn’t decide that, Jules, from the top level post all the way down to where we are now, it was about IBIS. Yes, OIS gets somewhat drawn into the thing because of it providing experience with IS (this argument you make I do agree with).
I’ll just quote Amalric’s post, the one you replied to:
“No, I dont’ think you know all the advantages of IBIS, because you don’t practice other genres.”
You had to post a flame in response, saying:
“You see, I am coherent. I conceive that you know the advantage of IBIS despite not properly knowing about any genre of photography at all.”
See, even that was all about IBIS, so no, I didn’t decide that at all.
And no, having something selectively available does not give you the same experience as having something always available, especially not in this case, because having this available all the time, also when using a tiny pancake lens, allows for techniques that seem inane until you actually tried them. Some might well be able to imagine those anyway, but that requires thinking outside the box, which you are not doing at all here.
Look, I won’t bother opening a debate on theory of knowledge. Bur you ought to give human imagination a bit more credit, this is a, shall we say.. very extreme position to defend in modern epistemology.
Well, disputing commonly held notions like humans being rather bad at imagining things that are outside the scope of their experience, will result in debate, thats a simple fact of life.
But honestly, this argument doesn’t sound like it is about how people obtain knowledge at all, and disputing the “humans aren’t good at imagining things outside their scope of experience” sounds like yet another attempt at distracting attention away from the easily observable facts and arguments, it seems a lot more about defending Panasonic’s past choice for OIS in the face of even Panasonic having changed its mind on that. Clinging to the ‘but there is coverage from 12-300mm, that should do for everything’ argument, ignoring the 1-2 stops light that loses you, ignoring the lack of flexibility that forces on you, and hence ignoring a lot of cases in which the differences will become especially evident.
As a matter of fact, I have shot with non stabilized pancakes in difficult situation. I am fully aware that I had to play on the edge with ISO and/or exposure. I even missed a few shots. In the end, I understand that IBIS would have made the difference in some of those cases.
Yes I can imagine what IBIS does and when I tried that was pretty much the anticipated behavior. From a black box perspective, IBIS and OIS have the same behavior, namely the last two letters of the acronym. Once you understand the behavior on any given lens, let alone several, there are hardly any reasons why you could understand the behavior on all others.
As far as defending Panasonic, whatever… Could nit pick on anyone. I never claimed that IBIS or IS in general is useless, but thats an other debate, which sounds like yet another attempt at distracting attention away from the easily observable facts and arguments..
Lets just look at this again then…
From an end-user’s perspective, both OIS and IBIS provide a form of IS indeed, so in that sense they are totally equivalent. But that is a rather limited point of view, as for those same end-users, they do also have a very significant difference: the first is only there with certain select lenses, with one exception all of those are zooms, and none is faster then f/2.8. Additionally, all of those are somewhat largish compared to available prime lenses.
That simply makes OIS an ’emergency fallback’, something you use when you really can’t get enough light. This ’emergency use’ approach clearly shows from your argument also. Not saying this is wrong in itself, but saying it is a direct consequence of not always having IS available.
When you have IS available with every lens, including tiny pancakes and fast primes, you can integrate having IS into your handling technique, and can afford kinds of handling that would result in a very low number of keepers without IS. This is way beyond very low light and static subject use, it is about regular light and ‘normal’ shutter speeds.
Now, if your photography always allows for bringing the viewfinder to your eye, providing for a nice 3 point stabilized holding, then this doesn’t matter that much, it merely helps for the cases where you have very little light and could really use the additional 2 stops from the 25/1.4, but if you do lots of street photography, candids, news photography in somewhat more tense situations, and other cases where being unobtrusive with your photography can be important, those different handling techniques allowed by IS can make a very huge difference.
Because you only have OIS on select lenses and only on lenses that aren’t favoring unobtrusive use, OIS will not at all give you the above experience.
And hence your ‘black box’ approach simply doesn’t work because it is not considering very real and depending on your photography significant differences.
Its no different from how saying that since there exist zooms covering 12-300mm with OIS, everything is covered, while ignoring the 1-2 stops gain you get from using primes. Observable and quantifiable differences that may not be important to you personally, but that quite exist.
Now, all this may not matter much for your photography, I’m pretty sure it doesn’t matter for the photography of quite a few people, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But when you want to discuss the merits of a system, you’ll have to start with observable, quantifiable differences, and see how those pan out in practice, instead of dismissing those differences out of hand when they don’t matter for the specific photography you do.
Over 1 sec hand-held and sharp?
No.
1.3 seconds hand held: http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p794/An0nemu5/Forum/KitzbuhelStNight313s_zps42a42095.jpg
100 crop: http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p794/An0nemu5/Forum/KitzbuhelStNight313sb_zpsdec3034f.jpg
ISO 200, f 4.5, FL 12mm, 1.3 sec
Strange…exif data says it was 1/0.7 of a second and not 1.3 seconds. theres a difference. A big one. Wanna check your data there?
I have an em5, and you cant hand hold it for 1.3 seconds and get a decent photo.
1/0.7 = 1.43, so a difference with 1.3 indeed… not a very significant one tho, and certainly not one that demonstrates what you are saying.
That said, I find the > 1 sec claim doubtful as well. Lucky accident? probably, reproducible in a somewhat reliable way? I don’t believe a thing of it.
Trust you.
Four different software packages, including Olympus Viewer and Photoshop, report the exposure time as 1.3 – which is 1.3 seconds. A straight cut and paste:
Exposure Time : 1.3
F Number : 4.5
Exposure Program : Aperture-priority AE
ISO : 200
File info in Photoshop says: Exposure: 1.3 sec; f/4.5; ISO 200
Any further comment?
Then find a new hobby.
Can I still use VR, OSS or Mega OIS, darling?
> Trustedreviews writes:
>> By Phil Hall
>> 19 Aug 2013
> And Whatdigitalcamera says:
>> Review Date : Fri, 16 Aug 2013
>> Author : Phil Hall
Same guy wrote the reviews. Both reviews have (the same) abysmal image gallery.
I believe you, but won’t check as I never will visit those sites again for camera reviews. Same aplies to cnet.com. But it goes to show.
I think I’ll wait for the X-E2…
grouchomarx
Like this camera. The only thing this lacks against Olympus EM-5 is the crazy 5-axis stabilization but it is better in a few ways. It’s shorter which means it will easily fit in a smaller bag. It’s got built in flash which means one less accessory to carry than the EM-5.
Correct me if I’m wrong but magnesium alloy is stronger and lighter than aluminium therefore it’s silly for the reviewer ro say “it’s not quite up to the same standard as the benchmark set by the Olympus PEN E-P5”
So some people equate weight with quality?
Personally I find the GX7 design to be cleaner and more purposeful.
Agreed! …don’t get me wrong…I own an OMD …but the design on the GX7 puts the EP5 to shame…If I am reading correctly though the new ad-on VF for the EP5 is better than the VF in the GX7….I am hoping someone is going to do a comparison in a review …but just on basic looks and functionality the GX7 is simply more for less money…no?.. I guess it depends on who is looking.
I believe the EVF on the GX7 is .74x magnification vs 1.48x on the VF-4. I love the VF-4, but the GX7 is a good design and the EVF is a decent tradeoff. Competition is great and let the consumer decide which is more important. I bought the E-P5 on day one and have enjoyed shooting with it since then.
Ooops.Got messed up with Oly’s numbers. They appear to be pretty close in magnification.
The VF4 may be better. It’s also about $400 more expensive than the one built into the GX-7.
Just buy the 17mm + VF4 kit and sell the 17mm and you get the EP5 plus VF4 for about $1000 so almost no difference to the GX7. That’s what I’m planning to do later this year. The GX7 looks nice but the EP5 has some features I want.
“That’s what I’m planning to do later this year.”
Don’t wait too long, though. Previous kit (E-P2?) with external VF from Oly sold out pretty fast.
The reviewer seemed to be talking about looks, too.
The EP5 still has fussy details, while the GX7 is cleaner and more modern looking. The built-in EVF is simply killer. Clip-on EVFs are so 2010. 😉
Careful, Jeff. Your Pany bias is showing.:)
When it’s regarding Pany or Voigtländer, I’d always get a second opinion… 🙂
Well it seems this is a beauty contest, so in my humble opinion the gx7 could be a beautifull desing but it is not the case.Everything looks perfect at a first look but the final result dont make the famous “click” when the whole thing creates a beautifull piece of desing. I think is probably the grip desing the guilty of the final result, so in my opinion this cam could be a nice aproximation to rangefinder style but is not as sexy as the gf1 ep’s or em5.
Its beautiful but overpriced.
Overheard in the Panasonic Board Room:
“Yeah, let’s load up the camera with all these killer features and then sell it below our cost so we can keep the cheapskate whiners on the 43Rumors forum happy. After all, they know so much more about cutting-edge technology and cost-of-goods than we do.”
1000 euro gives you a superior apsc mirrorless same size camera with plenty good lens options. Thats the problem with those expensive 43 camera’s. People who are going to spend that amount of money can buy a small camera with superior apsc sensor and very good small lenses with superior handling low light performance better 100 iso performance better dof control better movie etc etc etc etc. High priced 43 stuff is the end of 43 period. Only some fangirls are going to buy 43 and people who are tricked by a sales person in the store.
Name some of those very good, small lenses.
Zeiss Touit? Rubber focus ring and cost $1,000 USD each. Zeiss 24? Nice color rendition but incredibly large for what it is and also $1,000. 50 1.8? Slow to AF. The only reasonably efficient lens in the NEX lineup rig now in terms of performance and cost are the 35 1.4 and the SIGMA trio. But oh wait, the sigma trio is available on the m4/3 as well.
Move over to Fuji and you have sluggish AF with better lenses than the NEX lone but also larger and heavier. Kit zoom is impressive as is the 35 1.4 but also as I said larger and heavier.
Canons EOS line has the worst performing AF, terrible black out, and a vast collection of all of 3 lenses. Sure the 22 pancake might be pound for pound one of the best lenses in all of the mirrorless world but one lens does not make a system.
Fail other panasonic fail
+1
Example of what I mentioned above
Lisandra, just look in the previous (e-m1) related thread and you’ll find exactly the same thing. Agree that its just annoying, but it is really silly to think that has anything to do with panasonic.
I saw it. Theres a lot of comments saying its ugly, which is a perfectly valid opinion. Saw more comments of how its expensive, another valid point, possibly more than 1800$ body only with grip is not something to ignore. I saw people asking why it over the em5 when you dont have 43s lenses, another very valid point.
But saying out of nowhere with NO reason “another panasonic fail” like the poster above in a positive panasonic review post is straight bashing. Why is it a fail? where are the reasons?
Obviously I totally agree with what you say about the silly post from ‘full frame’, but its not exactly like such comments did not appear in the previous 2 E-M1 threads.
I’ll quote you a few nice ones:
Our friendly mr. All Caps said: “Olympus has really shot themselves in the foot with this one.. I really think it’s over with the release of this camera. Question is, how much damage will this camera cause? ” lots of text follows, but no arguments.
Full Frame said: “M43 ppl are very mediocre”
True Homer said: “Thats actually expected, its how the simple mind works. The more I point out how stupid this is as an investment, the more the stupid will be attracted. Stupid attracts stupid. its physics”
Thats merely a few examples from the last E-M1 thread. You’ll see the same person who posted the troll post in this thread here (Full Frame), you’ll see our friend True Homer participating in name calling and calling things stupid for no good reason, you’ll see others calling things stupid without providing any arguments. Different wording? Possibly, but its a unwarranted stream of negativity without any kind of argument and without any kind of contribution to a discussion, unlike motivated opinions like “I don’t like it because…”
I totally agree that there are way too many moronic posts here, but the idea that this specifically reserved for threads about Panasonic items is just nonsense, a case of persecution syndrome or an attempt on playing on sympathy for the ‘underdog’ (hint, that doesn’t work as well outside the USA) , and actually one of the people who complains a lot about this happening in Panasonic threads specifically is one of the bigger causes of the problem himself.
@lisandra
looks like my previous reply got stuck in moderation..
Anyway, agree with what you say about the post from ‘Full Frame’ but first of all his name and comment indicate he is a typical troll, and second, he (assuming it is a male) has posted very similar one line comments without any argument in the previous E-M1 thread.
I agree about those comments just being annoying and not contributing anything, but I dispute this has anything to do with Panasonic. Additionally, one of the people always complaining about how poor Panasonic is being attacked and how every poster attacking Panasonic must be an Olympus ‘fanboy’ is actually himself one of the more regular posters of such unwarranted negativity in any thread that doesn’t praise Panasonic, in other words, he does the exact thing that he is accusing other people of.
Here is another nice example of this happening regardless of the subject being an Olympus or Panasonic camera or lens, from a more recent thread about the E-M1, this time with link.
http://www.43rumors.com/e-5-vs-e-m1-size-comparison-poll-do-you-think-there-will-be-any-new-ft-camera/#comment-336889
Admin, you sure it has no AA filter? Would be the first Olympus m4/3rds with such feature.
Oops that was regarding the em-1
According to amalric, Olympus was the first camera manufacturer to remove the AA filter from their camera bodies. He believes Olympus bodies have not had AA filters since the E-PL1.
I don’t know why people have to whine and moan about everything here, right now it’s the best time for m4/3 users, this IS the moment we have ALL been waiting for, there’s a body type for absolutely every kind of user, quite literally.
We have all the small P&S alternatives, like the E-PM2 and GF-6, we have flat-top cameras withour EVF for those that don’t want or need one, we have optional EVF for those that like modularity, we have integrated EVF in both faux SLR and RF body types, we have 4/3 compatibility, we may finally have decent C-AF tracking to match a DSLR, m4/3 has options for absolutely everyone, so why are you people still complaining ?
For every single nitpick you find in any current m4/3 camera there’s an alternative WITHIN the system:
GX7 alternatives:
– E-P5 : Add-on EVF + 5 axis IBIS
– E-M5 : SLR aesthetics + 5 axis IBIS
– E-PL5: cheaper
– G6: SLR aesthetics + better connections for video (mic, etc)
E-P5 alternatives:
– GX7: Built-in non-centered & tiltable EVF + can use flash and said EVF simultaneously + better video, better low-light AF
– OMD: built-in EVF, SLR aesthetics , weather-sealing, modularity
– E-PL5: cheaper, smaller.
E-M1 alternatives:
– E-M5: cheaper, prettier, smaller
– GH3: Better video interface , built-in flash
EM5 alternatives:
– GX7: Flat top-plate, non-centered tilt-able EVF, better video, built-in flash, 1/8000sec, better low light AF, better grip
– E-P5: Flat top-plate, modular EVF, built-in flash, 1/8000sec
For every model there’s at least two alternatives either up or down the production chain, we’re spoiled for choice and yet people complain endlessly. Name ONE other mirrorless system with this many choices. You can’t, so stop complaining already.
Sure I find the E-M1 and E-P5 wasted opportunities, but then again I’m going to buy a GX7 based on my own needs, so it doesn’t affect me directly, I’m actually happy those cameras are being made to be honest, why ? because in the end, other people who don’t like the GX7 will choose one of them based on their needs too so in the end everyone gets their dream camera.
Now go out and take photos!
And…
E-M5 and E-M1 (also GH-3) are weather sealed.
best comment on this entire forum so far
What a sensible post.
We are, simply, spoilt for choice.
🙂
Well said.
Not that I care for video.. but curious how the movie codec of the GX7 is as it seems to NEVER be highlighted yet, that was the biggest reason to go Pana over Olympus.
As for the EM-1.. since the photo part is well looked after I wonder if they decided to take any time with their video group (once again, not that I care) simply out of curiousity.
I don`t see any quantum leaps coming in ISO performance now so its high time they start getting other things right.
The GX7 and the E-M1 are so ugly! E-M5, E-p5 and X100s are the best looking cameras on the market. I’ll choose from one of those after prices fall a bit more.
After owning both – won’t but another panasonic camera
you had a GX7??? you f*%$ng lying troll
LOL!
Dear “owned both”, would you at least dare to explain us why you won’t buy another Panny? Your post isn’t informative.
Aesthetically, does anyone prefer E-P5 looks to GX7?
I find the VF-4, although slightly too big, actually compliments E-P5 retro look. It is also very balance looking camera, with the lens mount almost in the centre of the camera.
Over 80s retiree’s camera.
Does the GX7 has full HDR? Interesting to compare it to the E-M1.
There’s an additional feature I’d like v. much: ‘timelapse in camera’. I am sure that the processing power of today’s m4/3 is enough.
‘Panorama-in-camera’ also important.
My feeling is also that Panny is learning IBIS. It took Oly 4-5 yrs to get that 5-axis. People are fools if they still delude themselves it’s not a killer feature.
In fact it’s a great equalizer with APS and even FF.
Read S- Huff on the E-M1, and you’ll find the 1000 posts here done away in two or three lines by Steve. Genius!
What do you mean by ¨Full¨ HDR ? the GX7 has more than a couple of options regarding HDR if I’m not mistaken, what differentiates ¨full¨ HDR from BKT mode or high dynamic shot ? Do you like 1 shot HDR or something else ?
I saw time lapse being mentioned but I don’t know if it’s any more flexible than the limited 99 frames of the E-P5, I hope it is.
Auto Panorama is a great feature for sure, I can’t believe Oly is able to put it in their P&S and not into ANY m4/3 camera yet. OTOH one of the reviews said the panorama mode wasn’t as well implemented as sony’s, not a surprise there, but then again, it’s miles better than what is offered by my PL1 (or any successive PENs). It’s nice to have it at hand for a quick panorama on the go, if I want to do it more seriously I’ll take my time, or I could even use the electronic shutter 40fps for an effortless sweep and stitch in PP (that’s more or less how I circumvent Oly’s lame pano mode)
As for IBIS, yeah, no one has done a serious test of the GX7’s implementation, no one should expect Pany to beat Oly’s 5 axis IBIS with their first 2 Axis attempt, that’s just ridiculous, but I’ll be happy if it’s equal or better than my PL1’s, I’ve grown to develop my technique around Oly’s 2 axis IBIS so the GX7’s IBIS is nothing but a plus to me, in fact I wasn’t even expecting Pany to ever include it in the first place, hopefully they’ll get 5 axis some day in the future, just imagine: Pany video + 5 axis IBIS O_O
M4/3 is shaping up to be the most versatile mirrorless system, we have Pany video, Oly’s colors, 5 axis IBIS, weather sealed bodies and lenses, a huge lens catalog, DSLR level C-AF tracking thanks to PDAF (supposedly), 4/3 compatibility, all sorts of body types, 3rd party support, best lens:body size/weight ratio, IQ rivaling APS-C, a plethora of unique features and fun gimmicks, etc…The list is big and can only get bigger, m4/3 is really awesome, if anything, it’s its terrible management on the part of Oly and Pany and the divided fanboys who ruin it from time to time.
In fact IBIS is one of the ‘enabling technologies’ that closes the gap with APS and FF. PDAF-on-sensor is another one, That is why the E-M1 is a game changer and the GX7 is not, IMHO.
OTH tactile ergonomics are a great notion too, and there Oly is missing one beat:eye-brain-hand.
It is this rewiring that gives m4/3 immense advantage on the field.
It is not v.easy to communicate, until people try it on their own. Therefore the immense discussions.
It akes all the talent of Steve Huff to grasp in a few sentences what it is all about:
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/08/18/the-olympus-om-d-e-m1-the-king-of-micro-43/
Mind you, he also jumped on the GX7, so expect a review soon. One from the field.
It’s not in-camera panorama, but Hugin does a great job: http://hugin.sourceforge.net/
I made a few examples to show that one of the great advantages of mirrorless is that it can deploy a host of new technologies that cannot be deployed in purely optical systems.
Oly was the first to promote heavy in camera processing, as soon as the processing power was available, but Panny was no slouch either.
Among the commonplaces, and common mistakes, of the luddites is that nothing of this matters, since you can always achieve what you want in RAW. I contend the opposite: that Real Time is all.
WYSIWYG can be seen as the first very substantial advantage. I am not surprised EVF is still under attack by dSLR diehards.
But there is a host of other technologies where Sony is the pioneer. Making a Panorama or assembling a Time Lapse still takes too many steps, that an image processor in camera can easily avoid. So why not?
Concerning the GX7 I was surprised by the number of image modifiers (Art filters) it has. Will you ignore them because you have RAW? And yet the inimitable beauty of the Fuji files, is due to film filters – LOL!
-As well as a admirer of Olympus, hence the Panasonic hate, and a Leica poster child.
He would hate on the GX7 if it had a full frame sensor!!!
So no, I wouldn’t trust his judgement.
He once reviewed the GX1, and said that a Olympus camera (fogot which one) was better because he just liked it better, even though the GX1 was 16mp, and the Olympus camera was 12mp.
He said the photos were better, however most of the comments said he was wrong and by looking at them, the GX1 were clearly better!
So no, I wouldn’t go by anything he says.. this is a guy who likes the Nikon mirrorless system over MFT.. HA!!
LOL! So you don’t want Steve to review the GX7?
I appreciate Steve for his direct way of writing, and as a Street and Candids shooter?
Wasn’t the GX7 born for that?
If you see everything in terms of fanboys, you’ll get blind before time.
From the comparometer at DPR I know the IQ is good, but it’s quite different to see a camera in action in capable hands.
If its not Leica, Nikon, Olympus and sometimes Sony, he’s going to trash it. He’s SUPER BIASED, so why would I trust his judgement? I wouldn’t. I wouldn’t even read his GX7 review.
I can count on my hands the amount of times I’ve been to his site after that horrid “Again, this is not really a review of the GX1” Garbage he wrote.
He’s a biased Leica fanboy and a Panasonic hater.
all-caps, you better swallow and swallow hard if Steve Huff is positive about the GX-7. Be sure you’ll be made to swallow every word.
Moreover you say:
> He once reviewed the GX1, and said that a Olympus camera (fogot which one) was better because he just liked it better, even though the GX1 was 16mp, and the Olympus camera was 12mp.
Hahaha, if you wish to be taken seriously by others, such comments will definitely not help you *one* *bit*, my darling. On the contrary, Steve Huff voicing his (maybe suprising) opinion makes him more respectable because he doesn’t sound like such a demagogue 🙂
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/01/06/my-final-thoughts-on-the-panasonic-gx1-vs-e-p3/
Here’s a few of STEVE HUFF’S comments:
“When I received the camera I was a bit disappointed in the feel of it.”
“While it is leagues better than the brain farts that were the GF2 and GF3, the GX1 just doesn’t have that sweet solid feel that the E-P3 has.”
“When I started using the camera I realized it really is not much better than the old GF1. I mean, of course it does much better in low light and focuses faster but it still doesn’t have in body image stabilization. It is still on the small side and smaller than the GF1. The rear dial feels cheaply made, and the big one for me…no built in EVF! GRRRR.”
The GX1 has a BETTER menu than the E-P3, BETTER grip, better quality overall, BUT:
“Bottom line? I like the GX1 but I like the E-P3 more. I like the feel of the E-P3, the control, the LCD, the touch screen, the filters as well as the color more with the Olympus. It is what it is and after spending time with both, side by side, those are my opinions.”
So, to sum it up, he complains that the GX1 doesn’t have a evf, but neither does the E-P3.
And this is Steve Huff in a nutshell:
“If a Leica talks to my soul, the PEN talks to my heart. The Panasonic doesn’t really speak to me much at all.”
ENOUGH SAID. He’s biased, he dislikes Panasonic and he probably only reserved a GX7, just so he can hate on it.