So, here it is finally, the new High End OMD E-M1, the first camera that will unlock the full potential of Four Thirds and Micro Four Thirds lenses. Specs are also well-known.
1) It has a 16MP sensor with no AA filter and PDAF on sensor.
2) ISO 200 up to 25,600
3) 9fps
4) 60sec and 1/8000
5) Same VF-4 EVF (although in the video the Olympus rep says the wrong number).
6) Built-in Wifi
It will be a great camera but it will cost $1,500 for the body only. There will be a constant f/2.8 zoom too along the E-M1 announcement in early September. The full video is available here: http://uploaded.net/file/9pf6imwpNow that you know the camera design and specs…tell me…
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The grip is butt-ugly, but with the prominent top that once housed the pentaprism Oly seems to bet on a winning formula!
Love the grip! For me the additional grip of the e-m5 is a great option which I often use but I prefer a built-in grip as it is more durable especially for FT-lenses.
Don’t forget, when the E-M5 pics first surfaced, there were a lot of complaints that the “pentaprism” looked ridiculously high. However, in the hand, it wasn’t as nearly prominent as the pictures suggested. I’m betting the grip isn’t as nearly overbearing as the pictures seem to make it appear…
Who cares, it’s not aimed at fashion folks, grab a e-p5 or a e-m5. This camera looks like it will have amazing ergonomics, far better than any m43 oly body to date. There is even enough space for thumb!
As a professional tool, that grip is important. It also looks a serious tool. But for the launch price of $1500, I’m not sure. Probably would wait for the price to come down a bit.
most important aspect is that this grip is deeper then the hld landscape grip. This allows for a more relaxed feeling of your hand. The idea of the grip not blending with the body lines is due to the OM’s design concept.
Ugliest camera released. EVER.
You have obvious never set eyes upon the Hasselblad Lunar. http://www.hasselblad-lunar.com
I hope this is a very early pre-production mock-up for field ergonomics studying…
@Claire
maybe you’ll like the silver or white versions?
Nah, out of recent models Nikon V2 is way uglier.
Pentax K-01, now THAT is ugly.
This one is kind of OK, not very inspiring – too DSLR like but I guess that was the point.
Pentax K-01 is beautiful! The problem is it on ergonomics and features side…
Lots of posts complaining about the aesthetics.
All I can say is I take an ergonomically sound camera over a fiddly one any day of the week, any time.
Grip looks very real. EVF is centered, allowing a battery grip. Controls and dials.. the jury is out.
Get a gh3 then, ergonomics up the wazoo
GH3 does make sense. This one probably does too. I don’t think any of those two are pretty, but on the field, they looks like beasts. That said, I don’t switch body on every iterations. My GH2, altho far from perfect, gets the job done.
…and I just bought a 3rd python, a jag carpet male ready to breed. There goes my camera budget…
EVER. As in: “I don’t mind sounding like a 14-year-old, and ‘ever’ in capitals cleverly hides the fact I don’t know that many camera designs, really”.
Now, it would have been nice if the camera was so unique that “EVER” was appropriate, but this comment merely goes to show your ignorance, cherie. It’s an E-M5 with a grip that doesn’t seem final.
that was my 1st emotion I saw it yesterday 🙂
..this cannot be controled leak by Oly …otherwise they must be realy s…id
UGLIEST woman(?) EVER
I can’t believe people are obsessing over looks. It’s a PRO camera body, folks. As long as all the controls fall easily to hand, as long as the “butt-ugly” grip helps to support all lenses, 4:3 as well as µ4:3, as long as it is robust enough to survive a long time with hard professional usage, then it’s serving it’s purpose.
In the photo world, the LENSES are the real superstars: not the bodies.
The bottom four pictures appear to be from a different camera than the top. The ones on the bottom look way better.
Photos 2 & 4 (on the tripod) are the of the working model (& most likely a production model) while the other three (1, 3 & 5) are of a prototype (& maybe even a mock-up). The grip appears to be the same as the prototype (see the difference in the control dials).
the “photos” are screen grabs from the leaked video. I know this because I grabbed them and uploaded them to the admin here … there were two cameras in the video, one in hand, one on the tripod, (three if you count the one with the shake test) But they all look the same, except for movement, angle and other aspects of the video, which was shot at ~640px, not exactly detailed high rez. Anything that looks weird has more to do with the vid than the camera.
But they aren’t the same. Look at the front dial on the working one on the tripod & notice the knurled edge is vertical while the same edge on the grip & the camera he is hold is angled. Apart from the video not helping with the quality, the hand held camera (prototype or mock-up) may not be finished as well as the production ones (perhaps).
Correct. They are handmade prototypes with various parts
Thanks.
I could be wrong but it does look like it to me.
I had the same impression by the photos, but if you look the 720p version of the video, will notice that the dial around the shutter release is the same in the two cameras.
Yes, I went back & checked the video copy I’ve got & I WAS WRONG! 😉
The video quality didn’t show the proper shape except for a few frames, so the control dials all have sloping knurled edges.
I wish we could edit our posts here. 🙁
Sorry for my mistake, but you are right as I now see all the control dials are have sloping edges.
Shutter button looks different between the 2.
I really hope this delivers GH3 video quality with high bit rates, that would make this an attractive camera all round, and be an ace up it’s sleeve for those considering.
That might be deciding factor for me, I have a funny feeling it’ll be good video, the stabilisation is so great for that, be a great low budget video demon, with great stills too. Cherry on the cake would be silent electronic shutter for stills, I would almost have to get it.
Yeah, the video is the big question mark, which is why I had to check the “Don’t know yet” box. I am prepared to be disappointed because we haven’t heard anything about video specs, it wasn’t mentioned in the video during the IBIS demo, and it has always seemed that Oly has given that market up to Panasonic. Let’s hope that the Sony influence will change that thinking in the future, or I’m totally wrong about the video capabilities of the new camera.
I hardly believe this will be able to deliver that – unless Panasonic and Olympus made some exchange. In a realistic scenario, the best this will have is a video on par with Sony, since is was part of their partnership, right? Sony’s video is just good enough, I think that for general purposes that would work for most people but that’s the best I think it will be, on par with Sony. Bu by the lack of video-related rumor leaks, it seems that this won’t happen.
spec is not known! At least video one.
Can you fix it, please? 😉
Olympus video has been garbage up until this point. I don’t see that changing. And probably no built-in headphone jack and mic input either.
@anonymous
Video is half sound, at which Olympus have done good on quality wise with recent releases, the E-M1 has a lot more processing power so I would be surprised if Olympus haven’t done anything with the visual (frame rates and bit rates etc)…
Then again, did anyone expected IBIS on GX-7..?
time flies in the techno-realm.
The EM-1 seems to have ISO 100 according to the video.
There’s a number left of ISO200 at 3:37; if I’m not wrong that’s ISO100.
No it’s speed, ISO was to the right
fOR 4/3 users it’s not really 1,500 USD more like 1,650 since according to the video the MMF3 is needed in order to use 4/3 lenses.
I own the 50-200 SWD and 12-60 SWD which at the time cost more than 2,000 USD , too bad Olympus is taking advantage of the situation in which I either move system and than can’t use my 2,000 USD lenses or I am forced to buy a 1,650 USD pro camera just for the prevliege of using my lenses.
a simplier model with a 1,000 USD price tag ( with PDAF ) would have been more than welcome.
My wild guess is that most quality 4/3 lenses that were sold were HG like 12-60 and 50-200 and not SHG like 14-35 and accordingly most of 4/3 HG lenses owners , owned/ own cameras like the E30 and E520 / 620 and not the E3/5 .
People who bought into Olympus system with a 600 USD body will be forced to buy a body cost 3 times more.
The camera is not meant for everybody. If you cannot afford it then you either suck it up or get a real job but please stop the pathetic whining.
To get a real job ?
It’s always nice to get an advice from a spoiled brat that spending his daddy’s money on gadgets he doesn’t even know how to use.
How about Mr highstandard will lower himself to us the common people that think 1,650 USD camera being the solely option to use exsisting lenses is a bit much.
…. Or just wait around 1 year when they will be likely selling it for 800$…
According to your statement the the notion of expensive and cheap does not exist then, it’s all a matter of just waiting in the end. There aren’t cheap or expensive things, it’s all a matter of the how and when then. Today I can say I have learned something new, the theory of relativity of costs… In the end it’s all very subjective!
Be a man, and split the difference with what I will pay in one year’s time. Or just promise you’ll deliver it to me for USD 800.
Do it or keep quiet. The men need to be separated from the boys here.
@oilymouse… Please kid, do yourself a favor : get a life.
@LS
WHAAAAH.
Darling, please don’t be such a mediocrity-pushing communist. High-end cameras have their place. Actually, many cameras are more expensive than this one. If people who shoot Leicas think is well-priced (Steve Huff is one example), then there should be a market, correct?
Ha ha, good one!!
I think many people here, those who whine, are complaining simply because they can’t afford it, or have bought an E-M5 or some DSLR and do not want to buy this camera yet. They are confusing “I can’t afford it” with “I don’t like it” when they vote.
So sour the grapes.
The on sensor PD-AF will likely come to other models later.
It’s great Olympus doesn’t have the $$$ or the resources to implement different sensors across their range. 😉
Yep!
Yup, its great…
Means I can take the E-PM3 along as a backup. Olympus rules!
It also means that loooong after everybody has advanced in sensor tech, youll still have the same years old performance
True, to an extent, but if the sensor is good enough now, and today most entry level sensors are pretty much great for anything excluding billboard size prints, that shouldn’t be a big problem.
Just like how panasonic using the gh2 sensor tech in the g6 means there is no difference in performance, right?
that seems way more reasonable than having your top tier sensor be the same as your bottom epm camera. Pana always does a new top one for every GH and GX. Just like EVERY other camera maker does for their top models, because its the smart thing to do.
I don’t have expensive 43 lenses (only the kit lenses and the 9-18), but that was exactly, what I was thinking. The only possibility to use these lenses with an up-to-date camera without any restrictions will be with a very expensive camera. Or maybe to wait a half year or a year until there will be a cheaper camera that has this possibility (but you will never no if there will be such a camera and what Olympus will do, no roadmap, etc, and it’s really a pity, but it seems you can’t trust Olympus after what happend with the 43 system…). Doesn’t make Olympus very sympatico for me.
And I’m glad, that I don’t have any expensive 43 lenses, then after what happened the last few years with no new camera to use them, I would really be very angry about Olympus if I had such lenses. Probably I already had sold all Oly equipment like many people did. And it’s really a pity, but it seems you can’t trust Olympus…
Well, we can now expect two things.
1) a faster iteration of 43lenses friendly bodies.
2) on sensor PDAF ought to only get better.
On the contrary, if anything you *can* trust Olympus. They said: be patient, we’ll deliver. And they just did.
Sure you can, as much as you can trust yakuza money launderers and people who charge 200 $ to paint your lens black
I see you are dtill stuck in your ‘must flame everything olympus’ mode. Why not change your name to ‘true loser’, only 2 letter change and so much more appropriate
at least i have the balls to post a name. You anonymous cowards are the worst. and am I not right? were they not embezzling money through yakuza? Youre supposed to trust them?
Sorry, but did you think that if Olympus would bring out a DSLR replacement for the E-5 it would be cheaper? Then you must be very naïve the E-5 is a professional body, so it’s successor would surely be as expensive.
As I see it you now can get two camera’s in one package, one capable enough with 43rd lenses as the E-5 and it’s smaller which is a bonus when using m43 lenses.
Look 43rd is dead anyway it was a very good idea at the time but technology moved on and it’s possible to have much smaller footprint then ten years ago.
What’s important is that the expensive 43rd lenses are not going to be orphans after the bodies die.
Those kit lenses (if updated with the latest firmware) are already optimised for CD-AF on the PEN’s & E-M5, so an expensive body isn’t needed to use them.
I can give $2500, if the is an E-7 so is realt solid build. But my Pen use i naturly by m43 lens.
Since it’s an adapter/new sensor solution and Olympus uses new sensors in all of their models until the next generation is developed, you just have to wait for the next Pen/PL/PM or lower level OM-D models.
I have no doubt the IQ of this highend OMD should edge than the current GX7 & hopefully by a slim margin .
Considering the design factor really not up to mFT standard therefore the camera is more appeal to DSLR rather than mFT & is not for me which like a RF style camera .
GX7 IQ is not better than current Olympus offerings!!!
EM-1 will trump GX7 IQ easily.
EM-1 has similar sensor (the same technology + PDAF) like EM-5.
IQ will be similar.
Do you know that for sure or just guessing by reading all the rumors about it.
Let’s wait for the final product, final tests and see what the camera is capable of.
Ooym0us reuses sensors for at least 3 or 4 years.itll be the em5 sensor
And the more you say it the more it convinces you right? Get real the few reviews out there already put the gx7 ahead of the em5
This nitpicking is what makes this forum attractive to FF fanboys. These cameras are similar. I shoot Pany + Oly + FF. Get real.
Do you know that the MMF3 isn’t included?
IIRC a previous rumour posted by admin indicated that an adapter was included with the camera. Admin?
Doesn’t make sense to include the adaptor which will not be required by people with MFT lens only. Olympus will be having enough problems with marketing without pushing the price to the limit
On the basis this body is aimed fair and square to those with older Four Thirds glass, I don’t think you need worry, just purchase an E-P5 you will be more than happy with results. For those with the afore mentioned Four Thirds glass this is a dream come true.
I hope the MMF-3 is not included, because I already have one!
Indeed. Would be incredibly silly for a camera with such tough competition, especially for a company that decided it should sell lens hoods seperately.
Don’t you think that most owners of 4/3 lenses, who happen to also have an m4/3 body, already have an MMF? Oly could throw in something else, for example a hefty discount on the battery grip.
I have a MMF1, the only differens between it and the MMF3 is that I don’t have a fully weather sealed solution when using it. Else there is totally no difference at all.
If you don’t need the weather sealing you can buy cheap adapters on ebay that are the same as the MMF1/2
But if you have more than one 4/3 lens you could just leave the adapters on the lenses = less hazzel when swapping lenses.
I hope they include the MMF-4 🙂
The grip looks like the E-1 grip. Love it.
def. looks like a good grip for bigger lenses. I wonder if it’s detachable?
LOL maybe the is in scala 1:2 😛
Where can I preorder?
I think it looks promising.
Olympus offers a wider camera-body line-up with 5 quite different cameras to choose from. Its makes the system even more versatile – from the super light E-PM to the new and more pro E-M1. A great day for all those great m43 lenses!
But no great m43 zooms yet… And still no infos about the coming lens, and if there will be more great m43 zooms… I stoped to buy some Oly equipment after I bought the E-M5 because there is no clarity about future zoom lenses. And I will not buy any stuff from Olympus until I know if and which zoom lenses will come in future (hey Olympus, Fuji has a nice lens roadmap!).
So I wait, and if there will not be some great zoom lenses (from 12/14 to 150/200mm) until next summer or if they are to expensive… Fuji is waiting 😉 For me, the wonderfull 43 lenses like 12-60 or 50-200 are to big, I need something smaller even if it’s not so good like these 43 lenses – but it should be better then the existing Olympus zooms. And no, I don’t like the Pana lenses – limited zoom range, no CA correction in Oly bodies (why not, Olympus?)
Fuji is very sweet and almost there with an admittedly very basic lens lineup. But be advised: speed is the one thing you won’t get. And IBIS… well, it will take some time, don’t you think? Weather sealing? Don’t think so.
Do these hold?
PD on sensor => no anti aliasing filter
AA filter => no PDAF on sensor
Could very well be. Well spotted.
I like everything except:
there’s no built in flash
the price – I’m not prepared to shelve out 1500 dollars for a camera body
the looks
So, I voted “No”, but it’s not that I totally dislike the camera, because I think it’s hugely important for the system.
Anyway, I’ll probably get GX7 and wait for some lower end model to get E-M1 sensor and built in flash.
Camera bodies designed for serious users (i.e., pros and serious amateurs) normally do not come with built-in flashes. The choice of flash is left to the serious user.
As for the price, if it is a true pro-spec body in Olympus tradition, it will be far more rugged than non-pro designs. You pay for that professional robustness.
E-5 had built-in flash and a good one: GN18 at ISO200.
Olympus ‘pro’ bodies so far had a builtin flash as this was useful, required even as a controller for fl*r flashes. No, the protocol does not allow using a ‘regular’ external flash for that, 1 of the 2 reasons why the clip-on flash of the pens and e-m5 use the ap2 for their connection to the camera.
the size of the grip is not excessive in fact the thickness of the body of the camera is lower than that of E-5. Moreover, the absence of a pentaprism has allowed to reduce the height of the camera, making it seem the grip very large.
From what we can see there seems to be a cover under the flash shoe that makes you think that we can insert the EM-5 flash (FL-LM2).
we also can see the syncro flash connector.
good job
Yes. Video-Wordings are suspicious.
It uses PDAF for 43-lenses and CDAF for m43-lenses??
Will there be no improvements in on sensor PDAF for m43 lenses? And why not? That doesn’t make sense.
I’ll reserve judgement until I see how well the PDAF works. And then will wait to see if some fast telephoto native glass comes out. I don’t own any 43 glass. The only reason for me to buy this is if I can hang some fast m43 off the front. Fingers crossed!
+1
Right on. My dream is a native MFT high quality 400mm f5.6 prime lens and a native MFT high quality 75/100mm to 300mm f4.0 zoom.
Mine too!
I can’t believe that Endgadget would have even put this poor quality video out after the Olympus announcement in a few week times, it looks more like a test run/dummy shoot
I usually don’t comment on aesthetic design but this has to be one of the ugliest cameras to debut for Olympus or any manufacturer.
Still, looking at the leaked specs, this camera does not seem worth the asking price. It seems to be basically, as others have mentioned, old tech jumbled together into one unit. Nothing really special it seems.
Incredible, what insight. Did you see the video? Tell us what other cameras have the exact features demonstrated: PDAF+CDAF, IBIS, weather-sealing, wi-fi tethering.
All this information and so few brain cells to process it.
Where are big improvements over OMD?
Price will be higher.
I’m now owner of old 4/3 lenses, I don’t care about 4/3 compatibility. Is there sense for me to upgrade my OMD (EM-5) to new body (OMD – EM-1)?
Sensor is the same – IQ will be (probably) similar.
There is still lack of ISO 100
1/8000 and VF-4 – it is improvment, but not to justify expenditure.
I don’t care about WiFi (I’m not Android’s and iPhone user – there is probably no App for Win7 and Win8).
There is still no inbuild flash and no possibility to remote control of external flashes.
Sensor without aa filter, better ergonomics, 2×2 dial setup, improved all-weather usanility…
Obviously it depends if it is an interedting upgrade for you, but then, not every camera released is intended as an upgrade for you specifically.
Thats it? Thats what you came up with? You can hold it better? No aa filter? Dials? Better sealing? I didnt know the current one was bad!
Thats worth almost twice the price of what an em5 goes for nowadays?
Hahaha. Sounds like you’re loosing it. No True Homer would. I find such comments add to my enjoyment of the new camera, so please keep it up!
Why don’t you compare the introduction price of E-M5 + grip with this camera? Because you’d sound deluded.
Lets do that. Em5 plus battery grip at launch 1300 $. Em1 body only 1500$. battery grip? Im gonna be generous and say 200 $ (probably 300, its olympus) so its 1700 $-1800 $.
Hows that for deluded?
You seem to be calling anyone who doesnt like it delusional but where are the facts? Whats the list of features that is worth that much? You seem to be the one whos suffering from anyone whos saying the slightest bad thing about it. Hey its your money, you can be as stupid as you want with it, but dont try to convince the rest of the world otherwise
The more True Homer complaints about a camera, the more interesting that camera actually turns out to be 🙂
Thats actually expected, its how the simple mind works. The more I point out how stupid this is as an investment, the more the stupid will be attracted. Stupid attracts stupid. its physics
You can see the OMD connector cover under the hot-shoe for the FL-LM2 flash. With this flash you can drive remotely all Olympus flashes
But that means making room in the bag to carry it and then fiddling with various connector covers that get lost easy and it hardly seems like a high end solution. Especially when the gh3 has it on there, for 300 $ less
Lol, you’re just too funny!
Another comment with no facts or any sign of intelligence. ..youre gonna tell me that carrying around a million tiny oly accessories is a good thing?
..and it comes with built in flash!
http://gizmodiva.com/home_gadgets/hello_kitty_dc571_digital_camera_by_kfe_japan.php
proving me right again, no intelligence in the replies
Room in bag is bullshit, considering the size, which you ought to know since you claim to own an e-m5.
You have a point about it being fiddly.
room is room. weather its a lens or a battery, it takes up space. Where this goes something more useful could go.
The million dollar questions:
– Does it have 24/25/50/60 fps video?
– Does it have external audio input?
– Can audio be manually controlled?
– At least 12 stops dynamic range in video?
If not, it’s of no use for videographers such as myself.
GH-3 is still available. “No use” is as you say rather personal.
I think Olympus has it right :
It’s not too big for m4/3 lenses
It’s not too small for 4/3 lenses
Sure, the big grip seems a bit unbalanced,but at least it should handle very well with 4/3 lenses.
It’s not the most sexy camera, but it will probably do it’s job very well.
I like it so far!
Olympus has done plenty of sexy and very well indeed… Time for the pragmatic.
Panasonic on the other hand, haven’t been so successful with the retro/sexy angle. GX7 missed both marks IMO.
Because they’re not aiming at that. Beautiful cameras are for morons who dont take photos and want people to see them with their “jewelry” around their neck. People who actually take photos want a camera you can hold without getting arthritis (em5) and that you dont have to do a 46 page menu dive to find a feature (em5 again). Sure jpeg shooting “enthusiasts” that shoot in auto (or A mode and always shoot wide open, giggle) wont have a problem with this since they dont ever change a setting, but people who actually shoot for real find it inexcusable that you uave to menu dive for something like drive mode or bracketing. For all the “effort” oly did here (mash a bunch of old camera pieces toghether) the end result is a cakera that STILL doesnt have the accessibility of the 300 dollar cheaper gh3
I think the Pany menus suck too and I use them more often than Oly. Most of the time, Olympus is quicker because of the super menu. Why bracketing is hidden so deep, I don’t know. Of course, it’s not a real photographer’s feature, as we all know, it’s for amateurs that have no control over their exposure.
Ha, just kidding, it’s such fun to mess with you. Btw, did you see the HDR marking on the body? Could that mean bracketing? Oh dear.
@ True homer. Drive mode is available on SCP, so no menu delving necessay. Only bracketing is in the menu, but if you use such a feature often it’s a no brainer as well, may be a little annoying for the few extra taps/clicks, but no show stopper.
http://gizmodiva.com/home_gadgets/hello_kitty_dc571_digital_camera_by_kfe_japan.php
Are you a Natzi ? or Neo Natzi ? or just a damn Idiot ?
What he is, is right.
Why do you want his comment deleted? Cant handle a little truth? He said what the video said: “focusing on 43s lenses will be ALMOST as fast as m43s lenses” that could mean anything from .01 seconds to half a second, in the end the lenses that where slowish to focus on the super fast e5 will be dooooog slow on the em1. So far sony on sensor pdaf is not that fast.
What else? He said the prototype on the video looks like a put toghether camera with different pieces. Is it not right? It looks like an em5 with a glued e1 grip and glued vf4 on top.
Its amazing how fantards here cant tolerate ANYTHING slightly bad about oly. The poll says it all, this ugly (like the called the gh3), overpriced (like they also called the gh3) camera has almost half the people liking it.
And who the hell cares about his user name, hes right
Actually, he said the focusing was “superb”. Look it up, heartbroken Panalover.
I just did, it says almost as fast as m43s. Did you look it up?
And anything slightly good about Oly and you are all over it. Pot – kettel.
So the guy being insulted to death for an opinion is alright but me calling it out is a pot kettle thing? Nope. Nothing wrong here In this forum
Google Dr Mengele and you will understand why people are offended by his NAME, not opinion. It’s only in your little Oly hating excuse for a brain that he is insulted for his opinion.
such a tard
yup. Only thing wrong here is me. Im posting arguments with actual reason. Yours on the other hand was very very smart and argumentative right? with lots of reasonable counterpoints?. Im the one whos wrong. right
Correct!
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
What’s a Natzi?
Can’t say I love the design.., but I don’t hate it either – I guess it’s a compromise for those who cried about the E-M5 having no grip. However – it looks like an Olympus, and it seems to be the camera that will get the job done – With both FourThirds AND MicroFourThirds. However I really hope they have improved the video as well – with 25p for the PAL countries – and hopefully a better codec as well.
The question is – what are real improvements over EM-5?
1) video?
2) IQ? (I’m intrested in DR – there is probably HDR button on the left top)
3) power of processor?
4) AF with micro43 lenses (I don’t care about huge 4/3 lenses)?
5) better battery (in bigger grip)?
6) wifi remonte control for external flashes (there is no inbuild flash)?
Is it really better then EM-5 and EP-5?
Is it evolution or revolution? It is not EM-6 but new EM-1 (which should mean REVOLUTION).
It looks like old Minolta SLR.
>It looks like old Minolta SLR.
Please do not insult old Minolta SLR by association with this camera.
1) no
2) no
3) maybe
4) no
5) maybe
6) no
Knows more than all of us combined. You’re making a fool of yourself.
I dont know, but I actually use my brain.
Video is not gonna be much better than the em5 with the same sensor. Same goes for iq and focusing speed. The rest is a maybe. See? A little thinking goes a long way.
Oh, you already have used one? Tell us more…
read the above, if you actually can read
1 – Backlit keys would have been awesome!
2 – The grip does not suit the OM character, Olympus should stick with the grip style of the HLD6
3 – The buttons are very nicely sized for a ‘pro’ model
4 – The name E-M1 is confusing when the E-M5 is already out. Cant it just be called the OMD Pro?
Ugliness: it makes my day people complaining. Did you see how the 4/3 lens looks on it? Is it pretty?
Whatever way you put it, the camera is a horror with any 4/3 lens protruding out of it.
Lack of foresight. Do you realize that this sensor is going to propagate down the line, and so you’ll have better CAF, and possibly tracking in video too.
This camera is a watershed. No pro is going to pay attention to the outside package, and they are going to foot the bill, together with the aspiring ones and the money launderers 🙂
For the price Oly is offering an incredible array of technologies. Did you see the IBIS effect out of the shaking camera?
And that will help 4/3 telezooms too. Do you think that dentists doing Safaris in Africa are going to give it a miss?
I have to spend five times as much with one of them so I won’t be able to buy it. A sad sad day, if I only consider.
OBS is dead, OUS killed him.
OBS you mean Olympus Brigde System.
I agree with you about looks. I could care less. IF a proi were to choose this camera, I doubt they would care. But fact of the matter is that pros will be the minority.
Consumers and enthusiasts will be the vast majority of people buying. m4/3 is a trendy thing, a travel platform, a girl platform, a hipster platform. Trendy body design is a huge factor in the success of Oly m4/3 cameras. Bad design doesn’t help. So yeah.. serious people will not mind.. but mass market… that’s one strike against this box. Price will be strike 2.
I don’t think pros give a damn about IBIS. They have high ISO on their FF cameras that just freeze camera shake AND subject motion. We kind of have an expensive and complicated half-solution that they don’t even need because their cameras shoot circles around ours in the dark. Whenever i mention IBIS to my fellow Canon shooters.. they pat me on the head and say, “that’s nice.”
hope other color will looking better.
OMG, No ISO100 again?! High end but start from
ISO200?
In video, the guy is using a tablet to adjust iso. There is a number ending with “00” before 200. So there will most likely be true/artificial ISO100. And anyway, Oly’s ISO200 is roughly same as standard ISO100 or ISO160. They are just trying to get better results on reviews by false ISO readings.
Admin, any news on video?
please admin, deleat this user and comment, it‘s disgusting
I agree – this really is not funny at all!
Yes, please admin, delete opinions and keep the insults. Makes sense. And fanboys will feel safe then.
Please do, one less anonymous retard to deal with
May be, not the nicest. But it looks so little like a E 420, full of all features you need. I think, professional users will find what they need and get a very compact system plus a way, to use the nice old glass from the E – System. That is a very good way. Not made for the love of the first look but I like the fasination of a little think with many in it…
They’re obviously pre-production examples. You can see the mismatched/unaligned grip trims and top plates. And as others have stated buttons and other trims aren’t the same.
Must say I was taken aback when I first opened the rumour post this morning but looking at it more and looking at what it is aimed/meant for I think it’s a winner.
I briefly used an E30 for a little while before my E-P1 and this just bought back some memories of that.
Design wise, I’m there with the E-M1. But the proof is going to be in the pudding. I don’t think anyone is doubting stills performance (given the E-P5/E-M5).
The E-M1’s existence revolves around 4/3’s lenses and PDAF. If it ain’t there they may as well pack up and go home, so I think they will have that sorted.
Bigger questions are
1. Video improvements over the e-m5/pens?
2. Price. I know, not price again but everything revolves around price.
Wrong question. It would be funnier and more interesting to know if it’s more important how a camera looks or how it performs.
Any news about the zoom range of the new lens? 😉
Wrong question. The E-M5 does both.
But it has less tasks to fulfill.
Now that focus tracking should work for the first time with a MFT camera due to PDAF on sensor this could be the tool for wildlife and sports photographers. However there are still no fast MFT tele lenses in the 100 – 300 mm range and it makes little sense to buy a clumpsy FT lens. At least I woudn’t.
I don’t like the design but thats a matter of personal taste – as always.
Is there any information yet about the high ISO behaviour of the sensor?
I don’t have 43 glass, and I like the rf-style m43s better anyway, so this isn’t a camera I want. If I ever come into the position that I *need* these stand-out features, the looks won’t matter at all.
I would like it to support the EC14 & Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro lens.
That was supposed to be in reply to TZ. ???
This is by far the most badass pice of equipment I’ve seen in years.
Do I like the camera? I love it!
I’m buying it pronto as soon as it hits the stores.
I’m hoping it can support my EC-14 with mighty Zuiko 150mm F2.0. That’s right, I’ll say it again. Zuiko 150mm F2.0!!!
Olympus, I salute you.
Regards to all DieHards out there,
tz
The 150/2.0 also work very well with the EC-20 and there you have a nice 300/4.0. Btw I also have the m.zuiko 75/1.8 and it’s equally nice, but m4/3 should also have EC-14 and EC-20.
In my opinion, when coupled with the EC-20 it looses its sharpness significantly whereas it is not an issue with the EC-14.
tz
Another 150f2 owner looking forward to this camera!
All this negativity is ridiculous! It’s all about the lenses. The lens shapes the light and perspective. The camera is really a control and recording device. If you owned an amazing lens like the 150f2, you would realize this. That lens alone is reason enough to say fnck you to Nikon and canon. As long as Olympus builds a camera to support the 150f2 lens, I will be a customer.
Even IF I bought a Nikon FF camera, I would still keep the 150f2 with an Olympus body attached.
Sure, I like the camera but can’t really see any reason to buy one as I have an E-M5.
Manufacturers are under a lot of pressure to continue fast update cycles but one camera every few years is enough for me.
From day one, Oly said there would be three tiers in the OM-D line. This is not an E-M5 upgrade.
Didn’t say it was.
Just pointing out that there is a huge gap between LIKING a camera and BUYING it.
For me, this is the first attractive mirrorless camera.
If there wouldn’t have been an E-M1, I would have had to wait for an E-7 for $/€ 1700 or some such.
I’ll much rather pay $/€ 1500 for a much smaller and lighter (finally!) but otherwise just as “professional” E-M1 which gives me access to all the MFT accessories, too. Or what its street price will be in a year or so. And maybe there will be a slightly stripped-down alterative, too, some day, just like the E-30 used to be to the E-3/5, who knows?
Now that Em-1 is out I want Em-2 with same size of Em-5 and new sensor+Ibis.
Wifi and tethering or compatibility with 43 can stay out for me but please do a semi pro updated model.
This em-1 is definitely a pro model and that will help the m43 system if pro will jump off the canikon wagon
Is it just me or this surely is a prototype (at least the grip part)?
as you can see the rubber part (leather) doesnt even line up in straight line. Pretty bad mock up in my opinion. If the final grip looks like this, this must be a biggest joke in camera design.
and my 2 cent is that i dont understand where this is going? Why make a bigger body m4/3. From the look of this, this might look even bigger than the latest Canon DSLR (100D or something?). Just doenst make sense. Whats the point of developing making a smaller sensor in the past years. ….
Just get the Canon 100D then.
Can’t argue with that…..your comment really was worth 2c.
Smaller Sensor -> Smaller Lenses
Bigger Body -> Addition to the lineup with better ergonomics and larger FT zooms handling
The good thing is that you will see most if this feature in next years E-M6 and the other PENs. If you have already a camera that works, just wait one year.
Smaller Sensor -> Smaller Lenses –> Slower lenses
FTFY
Okay, but then m43 is the wrong choice if one needs FF DOF.
Something I always wanted to ask:
A m43 F2.8 lens exposes each unit area of the m43 sensor with the same intensity of light as a FF F2.8 lens would on a FF sensor. The main photographic difference between them is how shallow the DOS is. Is that correct?
If that is true, than the m43 F2.8 lens would not be slower since it would allow the same shutter speeds, but would have a less shallow DOF.
Yes. Absolutely correct. But you will find a sea of morons who cant see it, ignore them
Great and thanks for the reply! 😀
I was kind of curious about this since it is rumored that there will be a NEX CZ 16-70 F4.0 with the next NEX7 whicht would be a m43 equivalent of F3.0 for DOF, so basically the same as our F2.8s with much bigger range. But I was wondering whether this also holds for the “light gathering” part of the story. Now I know it’s a No. (What a sentences? XD) It seems that that lens is not that magical uberlens. 😉
You got your answer.
The next question is: will the 2013-14 Nex bodies will have a sensor with 1 stop better low light performance than the best m43?
At the end of 2011, just before EM-5 release, best m43 sensor was GH2 (or G3, which was about the same), and Nex 5N had almost same noise at ISO 3200 than GH2 at 1600 (go see DxOMark, or Dpreview studio comparison). At that time, a Nex lens with an aperture of 4 would have captured an image with almost same noise in low light as a m43 lens at f2.8.
Since the release of EM-5, there is not much difference between the best Nex and m43 sensors. We must still keep in mind that Sony might take a significant lead again in the future. They usually have the best tech, and they have the sensor size advantage.
So will the 16-70mm f4 Nex lens be a better proposition than the 12-35mm Pany? It will depend on IQ, size, and price. The trade off between aperture and range is already known.
That’s true, but the F2.8 will be always there, no matter what m43 camera with what sensor is being used, and the sensor advantage might become smaller over time, especially due to the closer relationship of Sony and Olympus or Panasonic and Fujifilm from now on.
I also do not believe that the new Sony NEX7 and this CZ Zoom will be much cheaper than the E-M1 with the rumored 12-40mm F2.8. But we have to see what happens in this regard in the upcoming month and actually I don’t have the cash to spend it on either of these when I can buy an E-M5 with the 12-50 for under 1000€ (hope for some sale here in Germany as well!).
Good trolling should never rely on falsehoods.
You’re right. “Just doenst make sense. Whats the point of developing making a smaller sensor in the past years. ….”
You’re not making much sense. How much knowledge do you have of 4/3’s lenses? Try going the Olympus site, look up DSLR’s & their lenses & read a bit about their specs & then their price & have a little think, ‘what next body is going to be able to use these great lenses?’ This is what this E-M1 will be able to do with the MMF-3 adapter (the other M4/3’s bodies can use them but some lenses can only work successfully with MF).
All 4/3 and m4/3 sensors have the same size. There were always bodies of different size for different use. Have a look at the Olympus E-5 and then comare it to this camera.
The point is that if you don’t understand the use of a somewhat bigger camera, this camera is not for you, and not for those looking for the smallest possible body (E-PM2 or if you need an integrated EVF, GX7).
There is a whole lot of choice of cameras for you, all of them small.
What is your problem?
I’ll tell you what your problem is, being too egocentric to even consider the possibility that others might have different needs and desires.
You have yet another problem, which is failing to realize that even with a bigger body, the smaller lenses will still make almost every m4/3 setup smaller then the otherwise equivalent aps-c setup.
Oh, and you have yet another problem, which is total failure to understand the differences between a camera aimed at professional users who’ll be using it for many hours at a time on an everyday basis, and one that is intended for mostly sitting in its bag except for that one holiday a year.
At 1650$ would be the highest launch price ever on a MFT.. And for contrast Apsc and FF launch prices are descending… Are MFT getting more serious or Apsc getting more ridiculous? Both or neither!
You have to see the whole package.
The price contains all the features even if you dont need all of them.
WHAT are all these features??? Aside from the 43s focusing, what can this camera do that the gh3, em5 or gx7 cant do??
Wake up people!
We don’t want your stupid feature check lists, forum warrior. That’s not what makes a great camera. If you really think everybody that likes it needs to wake up, maybe it’s just you, darling.
Then what makes a great camera according to you?you dont give me a check list because YOU CANT
I can reply.
1. GH3 can’t CAF
2. GX7 can’t CAF
3. E-M5 can’t CAF
4. E-P5 can’t CAF
E-M5 CAN CAF AND use 43 lenses to focus quickly as well!!!!
How’s that?
The feature that would make it worth the money according to true homer is if it would say Lumix and Panasonic on the body. Nothing else matters.
if you could actually read, which i suspect no anonymous fantard can, youll see that I mention the em5 too. Everybody is talking about the “list” of specs over all other m43s cameras, and all that anybody has been able to mention the the fact that itll focus 43s lenses and nothing more. And slower than m43s lenses according to the video.
Wheres the list of other things it can do over the GH3, EM5 or GX7?
ps did you see the em5 in that sentence now?
oh so you ALREADY know this camera will have a fast continuous af. Even if it does, are you gonna tell me THAT is worth the 700-800$ premium over the current em5 prices??
Does it have a proper swivel screen (like E-5, E-3, E-620) or just the stupid flip-screen, the OM-D uses?
Apart from that, the new camera looks rather nice. Neither too small for my FT-lenses, nor too big for mFT-lenses.
Looking forward to spending some money 😉
The stupid tilt screen is more discreet for landscape use but at a disadvantage for portrait orientation. I believe there is a patent (or was it just an idea) where a tilt screen can be rotated as well, but I doubt this camera has that.
I voted “Dont’t know yet” because I still don’t know the video specs.
Yes, it is not an eye adulating camera design. But it has not to be. Do you want to take nice pictures or do you want to look nice during taking pictures? Not every camera has to be suitable for every photographer. But I expect the E-M1 to fulfil many expectations of the FT target group.
I do see how the grip might appear to be glued on or odd looking, but if you look closely in the video, on the top side it appears to be an autofocus illuminator. Then the way the grip kinda hangs down a bit on the front to accommodate the ring or pinky fingers. Just imagine holding that fine dark machine in your hand, the way the grippy rubbery texture fills your hand perfectly. It may look small or it may look big, who knows, depends on how it looks in your hands. The way your thumb comes around the panel, with that large massive grip in the front, your thumb is free to press buttons while your other four fingers have enough grip to hold the whole thing by itself.
Try this…
Just look down and hold your hand out. Now shape your hand like you’re holding a pear. See how good that feels? Imagine this black rubbery beast in your hand. Now…put your other hand and cup under just in front to support the lens base. Slowly bring this machine up to your face. Can you see it? You’re looking through this massive viewfinder as this darkness is pressing against your cheek. You snap away, taking photos here and there. Why pull away? It feels as if it’s a part of you, it feels as if…you and it…are one.
Careful…..you’ll go blind.
Its important to remember who this camera is for and the market its aimed at. The OM-D attracted a lot of photographers, including professional, semi professionals and serious enthusiasts, who were looking to downsize from the heavy ‘pro’ DSLR’s but didn’t want to compromise on features and speed. And also wanted a camera that ‘looked serious’ which is something that those of us who earn a living from photography have to be aware of. The OM-D EM-5 partially succeeded with that and this seems a further step on.
Its not as though there aren’t enough alternatives if its not something for you. There are plenty of m4/3 cameras and lenses of all shapes, sizes and prices to choose from to cover pretty much every taste and budget. What has been missing from m4/3 up to now however is a ‘flagship’ camera that allows the system to be a serious, viable alternative to a high-end DSLR system. The EM-5 and to a certain extent the GH3 provided something close to that, but neither seemed to fully address the needs of people who use their cameras pretty much every day in a work situation. The E-M1 seems to be better suited for that, though whether or not it succeeds in making inroads into a professional market remains to be seen.
However, I think Olympus are to be applauded for making the attempt, and though its taken a while, to give 4/3 lens users a significantly updated body for their investment. Though again its early to say if the dual AF system and the new adapter give 100% compatibility.
For me three things stand out already however. The huge live view screen looks terrific and the introduction of the VF-4 EVF technology is very welcome. Plus the improved stabilisation just looks incredible. In the professional photography world, video is becoming more and more important and if we are going to continue to get work its vital that our cameras have that capability. The EM-5 was already one of the best cameras around for hand-holding video and the E-M1 looks to be even better.
I hope Olympus take advantage of the ‘leak’ and get this officially announced ASAP so that we can see the full and detailed specs. I suspect, that if they are up to expectations, quite a few more people who earn their living from photography will be tempted to make the transition from more conventional DSLR systems. The DSLR isn’t dead nor really dying, but in the modern photographic professional environment, mirrorless sytems have great advantages, particularly with regard to constantly running live view, which is very useful indeed for a lot of work situations.
I personally may get one, I may not, but I will certainly be having a good look at the E-M1 when it comes out. It seems to address several of the issues I had with the EM-5 and indeed with the GH3. Looking forward to it.
tl;dr
You wrote a lot, and remained vague. What were those issues? How is the em1 gonna solve them? What can the em1 do that the gh3 or em5 cant? Besides focusing 43s lenses slower than m43s lenses.
Maybe you could answer my question. Why & how was the E5 better than the E30?
Answer that & your part way to answering your own question.
Again I can reply.
1. GH3 can’t CAF
2. GX7 can’t CAF
3. E-M5 can’t CAF
4. E-P5 can’t CAF
E-M5 CAN CAF AND use 43 lenses to focus quickly as well!!!!
How’s that?
😉
I have tried to figure out the size of the camera.
It is possible to measure the diameter of the lens 17mm/1.8 and scale the body measurments accordingly.
I get that the hight and width are almost exactly as the E-M5, hight=89mm, width=121mm on the E-M1.
I voted don’t known because video specs are still unkown.
I believe this could fall under inciting racial hatred.
Admin please delete this or people may start to question your beliefs in leaving such a comment here
Amalric is the only Nazi here and true racist.
Can we not lower the tone with insulting name calling.
I come here for camera news and views but some people seem to want to insult each other.
I really feel bad for Olympus and Panasonic. You know, they tried to do something good for themselves and us, the consumers, by partnering up and making an open system. But somehow this just resulted in fanboyism towards one of the companies and bashing towards the other one. Oo
In addition to that m43 seems to have the most ignorant, selfish and narrow minded community of all system. I have asked this several times but why do so many users think that every camera should be for everyone? As a system starts to mature, it is inevitable that bodies come which are too low or too high, too cheap or too expensive for oneself. Why do I have to spoil and bash a manufacturer for expanding his choice? Maybe I am the only one, but since I am no Pro, I will use my 1000€ camera for at least 5 years or something and would add lenses to my body. If I were a Pro, I wouldn’t even hestitate to spend even 3000€ on camera which will allow me to earn much much more over the next years.
Just go over to Fuji Rumors, SAR or Canon Watch. They have bashers as well, but they are few compared to here. Maybe this just holds for 43rumors and the hold community and this also only holds for some (often anonymous users), but still it is a much more prominent issue than anywhere else I have been reading. This is my experience of the last 2 month….
I don’t want to offend those who are contributing properly to this forum.
BTT: I really would want to have this camera over the E-M5 since I will need to buy a grip for that as well. But right I cannot really explain to myself why I would need this (better ergonomics, EVF and Screen seem to be the best reasons but not for my budget).
+100
Reminds me the Atari-Amiga war back in the 90’s. In the end, they both lost.
GH3, EM5, EP5, GX7, EM1, that’s great to see m43 cameras getting better and better. Anything that helps making m43 a real standard and a serious alternative ot other mounts is a good thing. It needs a descent user base, from P&S uprader ot pros, hence it needs cameras that suit all needs.
It really started with the E-M5. But I agree: the saddest and most unproductive comments come from the Pany fanboys (seem to be quite a lot lately) and Oly fanboys, that should really be on the same side. But it’s a lot of hot air and shouldn’t be taken seriously (the comments are usually without substance, anyway).
@Surab
I don’t think there is really that much fanboyism over Oly and Panny, if you look at flickr and mu-43.co and other community websites we all get along fine and there is a very large percentage of users you happy shooting with a mixture of Panny and Oly bodies and lenses.
It’s just here on 43rumors that get’s majorly trolled by a few extreme fanboys and trolls pretending to be fanboys to try to stir up trouble, dpreview forums have a bit of a problem too. Worse thing is it’s mostly by people who are old enough to should know better.
Maybe Admin is too nice/lenient here or plain busy with family and work in the real world…
Okay, you might be right. Maybe this is just an 43rumors problem. I would be glad for Oly and Pana. 😀
For me this system is perfect. It offers significantly improved IQ over P&S, rivaling APS-C cameras, and interchangeable lenses while having less bulk and weight. 😀
true and right, but this is the internet and people are way to sensitive almost pathetic about gear.
Mine is better no mine is bigger AND better still, pathetic.
m43 is m43 is m43 is m43 = Pana+Oly+Sigma+BMCC etc etc.
IMO there isn’t any competition just addition, the consumer wins hands down.
For me it seems that the grip is removable like the em-5. I hope that the grip is not fix, love the em-5 form factor. I also hope the video specs are better than the em-5, this was the only reason I don’t bought the em-5.
looks great, cant wait to see the release
Just getting rid of the fiddly clip-on flash would have been enough reason for me to get the E-M1. Unfortunately it seems that won’t happen.
To be honest, it is a little bit ugly and if it comes only in black that might be another problem.
I agree with so much above:
No ISO 100,
It looks ugly!
No flash
?? not a tilt and swivel screen
I suppose there will be another one next year with a new sensor… is this a stop-gap for 4/3 users (me?) I’m not sure
Retro numbering/naming: why not confuse it further by calling it E-1M or E1+10 as it is 10 years since the E1 launch.
Lets hope for the same battery as either the E5 or EM-5 – note that there is yet another battery grip!!
Overall I think the EM-1 looks very promising. However, I will certainly not like the prices if it is £1,500 body only. Currently I could get a Canon 6D for £1,149 from DigitalRev. I could also get 2x Canon 7Ds or Nikon D7100s at that price. Whilst not directly comparable cameras, to anyone like me with a Canon system, it gets hard to justify. I also hope that the EM-1 finally has a good video implementation (higher bit rates, more frame rate options)and advanced focus peaking.
The problem is that since the E-3 Olympus has had a strategy of keep their flagship camera model price artificially high, and not letting them reduce. It they do that with the EM-1, it will be another case of wilful obscurity, and a tiny niche for enthusiasts, like with the E-3 and E-5.
The whole m4/3 system needs to be much cheaper if it is ever going to get a larger portion of the market. The simple fact is that it is cheaper to build a mirrorless camera than a DSLR, and there are certainly not the components in an EM-1 to justify the price. In fact this was one of the rationales for mirrorless cameras, that they would be cheaper to manufacture and be mid way in price between DSLRs and digicams. No large and expensive to manufacture FF sensor. No complex mirrox box assembly. So why so expensive? The only apparent answer is that the models beneath it are overpriced, and so it necessarily will be more expensive. However, being that we can expect to see the Canon 6D, Nikon D600 and even D800 reduce further in price, you can’t exactly see pros beating their way to the EM-1 door. Not least of all, because even with 4/3 glass, the lens range and accesories will be very limited in comparison to the competition.
“Currently I could get a Canon 6D for £1,149 from DigitalRev”
Then get one if this is what you need, earnestly.
That’s not a very sensible comment. I’ve been an Olympus 4/3 system user for a long time. The point is that most of use don’t have unlimited resources and it is necessary to compromise. For instance I do a lot of macro photography, including with the Canon MP-E 65mm. This lens starts at 1:1 and goes to 1:5. In other words the biggest thing you can frame with it, is the size of the sensor. So getting a FF DSLR would hugely expand the size of subjects I can frame with this lens. Whilst I do have a number of other macro lenses, switching between them to cover different subject sizes is a nuisance, and you end up with lots of dust on the sensor, which shows up badly at the small effective apertures you are forced to use. No other camera manufacturer makes a lens like the Canon MP-E 65mm and I had to specifically get a Canon body just to use this lens.
I have also been looking at a small carry around system. In an ideal world I could get a FF DSLR for my most used lens and a lightweight carry around all the time system. Yet at these prices I would struggle to justify buying both.
“No other camera manufacturer makes a lens like the Canon MP-E 65mm and I had to specifically get a Canon body just to use this lens.”
I’m no pro in the macro area (mostly amateurish toying), but probably you should check out this: Yasuhara Nanoha 5X MFT Macro Lens.
Serious question, why exactly do you need a lens like that?
Is it for reproduction work, where exact live-size imaging is required?
Or is it for achieving high magnification?
If it is the first, then the exact subject to projection magnification is all that matters, and you indeed may end up needing a lens that starts at 1:1. Typically this is something used in controlled conditions, as the slightest change in distance will throw off the magnification, and especially useful when needing to know very accurately the size of the subject that was imaged.
If it is the later, you could just try to take advantage of this ‘crop factor’ thing, get 2x the magnification you’d get with a ‘full frame’ camera with the same lens and can use less extreme apertures because you already have a lot more depth of field. Your lens only needs to provide 2.5x instead of 5x magnification to end up with the same subject size at the same print size.
Well, and there is of course a 3rd reason why some (not saying you) people buy and use such lenses, its to have biggest numbers. My lens can do 4:1.. loser, mine can do 5:1!!! Again, not saying that is the case with you, but for those for whom this is the case, well, there is no other option then throwing as much money at it as you can to stay on top of the pack.
any word on focus peaking admin?
thanks
The design somehow reminds me of rugged US military design like that of the rifle M16 or the Lockheed F-117 Nighthawk “Stealth” ground-attack aircraft. I imagine it along with matching capabilities will appeal to many adventurers, whether professionals or not.
It doesn’t have the played down modern-classic elegance of the RX7, that I guess you can bring along many of the same places where you could bring your smartphone photography gadget or compact camera without attracting too much attention.
I’m looking forward to detailed reviews of the capabilites of E-M1, especially as regards continous autofocus in video and general video capabilities.
I think Oly made a huge mistake with this one, they should have just shunned its 4/3 legacy and just go all m43.
Maybe those who have overrated expensive super high grade Oly 43 zooms , it is a great body , but for most of current m43 users it looks like actually a big downgrade rather than a upgrade.
and this thing costs more than the 6D or the D600, it is getting really ridiculous.
I think the GX7 looks much much better and many will sell Oly bodies to get that camera or something from Samsung.
You don’t come here very often, do you darling?
Are you going to say that after Olympus abandons Micro 4/3 for Nano 4/3?
OK, it’s ugly.
But at the very least, unlike Canon xD/Nikon Dx, it is not tombstone shaped.
Урод есть урод. Сколько их можно клепать?
@ admin:
Thanks! (Now our comments make no sense anymore. XD)
@ all:
This was refering to a deleted post.
Will there be a silver color variant?
I love my silver OMD and really likes the silver and black retro feel~=D So really hopes that Oly made a silver variant of the E-M1
We need better video codecs on Olympus cameras! Videographers all over the world are very upset they can’t use the wonderful 5-axis ibis on their work. It’s claimed everywhere… why Oly doesn’t hear it?? Along with the codecs we need manual controls during recording….!!! That’s it…. is that hard?! How long it will take to happen?
Finally a micro 4/3’s with ISO 100 and a vertical grip.
I AM IN !
looks disappointing but i presume it’s the pre-release so not the final body look (color and texture). specs also a bit underwhelming. would like to see a comparison between the panasonic gx7 and this one because i’ll buy one of the two.
As always most adore the fetish of the object, the camera.
But don’t you realize that the PDAF-on-sensor is going to trickle down to the less expensive OM-D models, next?
And it will solve for good the fears that m4/3 are not good action cameras?
If E-M1 keeps its promises, the dSLR last trench, Action, is won. No need of dSLR therefore.
If m4/3 become mainstream cameras there is even the possibility that prices could come down.
People here have no idea of strategic thinking…
The lens will be interesting
Get some C mount lenses on it!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/cmountm43/
“edge than the current GX7 & hopefully by a slim margin”
In other words you hope the image quality won’t be better than the GX7 you have ordered, otherwise you will have regrets over owning a camera with inferior IQ.
Tough. Deep Throat has already told us the IQ is significantly better.
Was it stolen?? The Gizmodo page is now gone!
It looks mighty usable
Someone put a transparent e5 over it on dpreview and it seems like its height with grip equals the e5 without, which makes it at least with grip still fitting my bag.
The missing flash is a pita but not a deal breaker, I hope they included some ir flash controller note that some of te em5 folk are complaining about strange wireless flash behavior which could be fixed by adding a ir filter over the on camera flash…. And someone remarked about something on the side of the hump.
Personally I would have loved a tilting Evf like the gx7 and preferably to the left, maybe even the hotshoe on top of the grip and a flat top…
But I am not complaining the e3 was always getting used to after a longer time of no use due to the menus soo more buttons on the outside super. And performance wise it will blow the e3 away… Ok maybe not as a sledgehammer.
Price over here Europe it will most likely do 1500 euro bare and complete with grip mmf 3 etc around 2000euro=2600usd… Which will not drop much, so I might get it just before my next holiday but I think the very interesting thing will be the next em5 which is likely to have Pdaf and a smaller price tag.
But again if oly makes a weatherproof fast shortened 12-60m43 same filtersize please. or better a fatter faster weatherproof m43 14-150 I will sell all my current glass and stick that to a em5 or maybe em1 if I like the controls more lol not a pro just someone who loves a reliable travel camera.
In the video he covers the grip with only two fingers.
I don’t think it will be as huge as an E-5, more like an E-M5 with bigger grip.
Someone build me a GH3 with 5 axis stabilisation and that would be my next cam .. but this “thing” ..
I agree with you that the size is just a big bigger than the E-M5. If the rear LCD is a 3 inch model (and it could be bigger), the E-M1 looks roughly the same height as the E-M5 and just slightly wider. And, obviously, thicker. I suspect it will be somewhat smaller than the GH3, which is comparable to the size of the “advanced amateur” cameras liked the Nikon D7100 and the Canon 70D.
and the E-5 is muuuch bigger and thicker than the E-M5
http://camerasize.com/compare/#202,289
even the GH3 is a lot smaller and thinner …
http://camerasize.com/compare/#202,381
You’re wrong about GH3. It is about the same size and weight as a T4i, not a 70D.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#440,469,381,333,ha,t
The filter diameter of that lens in the first picture is 46 mm (17/1.8), by that size you can see that it’s not much bigger than the EM-5.
I’m a little skittish about purchasing something that looks so repugnant, but I guess it’s the output that matters the most, even if I do look like a right tool shooting with it. I might just need to put a bag over my head while doing so though.
Can you explain this wireless flash issue with filter fix? Link? etc.
Thnx
Sounds like a one time gimmick. To me it is just a OMD EM5 that will be able to use 43 lens. If they do not sell like hot cakes or increase the sale of already 43 lens then I suspect this experiment will be abandoned very soon. Olympus, “we tried to increase 43 lens sales but this just did not work”. All this is is the OMD EM5 that is a little larger and uglier plain and simple.
I agree with you on that one. Users looking for a long-term home for their 4/3 glass can’t take this as proof that the systems are combined. Could be a one shot deal to shut up 4/3 holdouts.
I wouldn’t invest in an 4/3 glass just for this. But if people need to ease into the transition and for some reason aren’t burnt by Oly already, this is the only option.
You think on-sensor PDAF is a one shot deal? Can you point me to other cameras where on-sensor PDAF has been a one shot deal and has been abandoned in later models?
Or do you think an integrated handgrip and less cramped controls are a one shot deal?
show me a camera where pdaf on sensor works well. and no, the nikon 1 doesnt use phase detection, it uses pd assist
It’s not a gimmick, as much as a marketing strategy. It is aimed at:
– existing 4/3 customers with 4/3 lenses
– ‘pros’ needing a solid small camera, weather sealing, great viewfinder etc
They do a few things at once:
– give their loyal customers a new camera for their existing 4/3 lenses
– they are migrating existing 4/3 crowd into m4/3 (increase m4/3 lens sales)
– expend the m4/3 into a more complete system, with a pro camera
At this price ($1,500) this is almost a niche camera, not a general consumer camera.
If the video codec is good on this camera I will be selling my 5D Mark II and my L-glass for this little beast. I really don’t care how it looks, all I care about is the image quality, size and glass which goes with image quality.
The codec is just the half of it. Not offering 1080p 24/60fps on any of their m43 cameras is an egregious oversight. Panasonic’s previous generation entry level cameras provide vastly superior video performance to Olympus’s enthusiast level offerings. Which is beyond ridiculous.
I read yesterday that the new iPhone will have 60fps and f2 aperture. Offering access to 4/3 lenses might not help Oly much if that’s their big come-on for the new year.
f/2 aperture on a 1/3.5″ sensor? I’ll pass.
What do people think the three small horizontal slots are between the review and delete buttons?
I think they are LEDs
My one gripe with the E-M5 is that the battery level indication is poor and unhelpful and seems to come and go at a whim and not be visible when you want it to be. A % number would have been nice, rather than the too coarse bar it has.
I wonder if these bars are battery level indicators, probably multi coloured.
I think the 3 bars plus the ajoining single vertical bar is the number 3. I think it marks this body as “prototype 3”.
Maybe the speaker is there, for video playback?
I think they would be the speaker (for all sounds).
i vote for speakers
Probably the speaker…..
You can change the behavior of the battery level indicator on the E-M5 in settings. Look in the ‘k’ menu for The Battery Level Indicator setting and adjust the setting to ‘+2’. It makes a pretty big difference, still not a linear level, but much improved!
Olympus has really shot themselves in the foot with this one.. I really think it’s over with the release of this camera. Question is, how much damage will this camera cause?
Its chunky for no reason, gimicky, questionable “film rewind knob” and abnormal grip that doesn’t even fit the look of the camera is going to doom it.
And then more lies.
Olympus said they’ll have a solution for the few who have FT lenses… THIS is it?? -And for that price?? That’s laughable. You can get a OMD with the grip for a better price.
Spin it any way you want, but this camera against other cameras out, or coming out is DOOMED.
Who’s buying this over a Fuji, the rumored FF NEX, the GX7 or even it’s own EM-5??
A handful of diehard Olympus 43 glass holders and a couple of blind fanboys with money to spend.. thats it.
Mr ALL CAPS
Not to fear…an updated version is already in the works and will be released shortly.
That is Olympus have been doing. Let you spend 5 time for very little improvement! Even worse, with the same 1/4 size of full frame sensor.
The nail seems to be in your hypothalamus.
Nice satire of the worst on the dpreview forums! Good job!
Why is it so difficult to understand that there are different cameras for different users?
This one is not for me, as it does not at all fit my needs as a hobby photographer, and I am really looking forward to be able to get the EM5. But a lot of others have been looking forward to it, and I am happy that Olympus caters to those. They are surely more important customers than you and I are!
Agree with you
I hope people will stop to always think for themself and could be happy for others…
The E-M1 doesn’t look as good as the E-M5 but hardly looks much worse than the G5 or GH3 and it is miles away from a Pentax K-01. It won’t have the same cuteness bonus the E-M5 had, but then the vast majority of cameras don’t have it either.
Based on this single aspect you pan the camera as a self-harming failure for Olympus. I’ve rarely seen so much hyperbole; you’ve got what you wanted (PDAF + better grip/controls) but you didn’t get it with the same cuteness factor (which I think is impossible, no classic SLRs had any sort of deep handgrip) and now you throw a tantrum and lash out at everything.
“nail in the coffin” was said before, when peaople didn’t believe Oly would make a camera for 4/3 lenses. Now that they have, it’s still a nail in the coffin. Some are never satiesfied…
Can someone explain why ISO 200 is considered acceptable for a pro camera? Couldn’t they alter the range ie use 100 to 12800? Much more useful for me. Would this require a different sensor perhaps?
Why do people care about 100 iso? I am baffled! The sensor does what it does, surely what the iso is labelled as is irrelevant?
Well, for one thing, it helps when trying to reduce shutter speed for photography of motion
Low iso is just as important as high iso. Low iso is used for shallow dof shots in bright light or long shutter speeds for motion blur (like sliky water in waterfall shots). I would love to see iso 50.
– Shooting wide-open in daytime
– Slowing the shutter speed to capture motion
Yeah I’d been baffled by the number of people here who don’t own an ND filter. They come in all imaginable permutations all the way up to ND1000 — 10 stops! Perhaps all the complaints are coming from the anti-marketing soldiers from the Canikon camp, and are best left ignored.
Bit of a broad brush isn’t it?
ND filters are impractical for street shooters. It’s pretty difficult to screw one on in time for that interesting shot that’s coming up in 3 seconds on the sidewalk. Leaving one on all the time is impractical for the exact same reasons. Grabbing those shots inside-shops or on the dark side of the street with little warning.
So, on my end, I’d been baffled by the number of people here who don’t recognize the usefulness of ISO 50 or 100 where ND filters are less practical.
So you leave the nd filter in place and increase the iso somewhat when not getting a fast enough shutter? In fact the exact same thing you’d have to do when using iso 100.
Its an issue when that gets you into the ‘high iso’ range, but that is quite a few stops away.
Alternatively, you overexpose by 1 stop and then pull exposure in pp, which is what nearly all cameras with iso 100 do nowadays anyway.
Because ISO goes in both directions, not just up. Lower ISO negates the need for an ND filter, allows for better control over shutter speed, allows you to shoot wide open more often. It’s also better for math calculations with us Manual shooters.
I know the Oly fanboy always has to say any feature Oly doesn’t support is worthless (video, MP, GPS, Dynamic range, new lenses and bodies, for example) but a lot of professionals work at 100.
The real answer is why the fuck not?
Because high density sensors are optimised for higher ISO, say some 600 or more ISO.
So 100 ISO or less will give bad DR.
You still have a lot to learn about micro 4/3.
Not sure where your sensor tech come from, but pretty much any other sensor test shows a better DR at lower iso.
Regardless of better dr or not there are plenty of people who would use it if it’s there, and it just shows deaf OLY is to what many photographers need: it wont detract to shooters who don’t need it, and it gives more options to everybody else.
Just like exposure bracketing…
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DR gets worse on both ends. If you reach die Sensor’s native ISO, going below basically is ETTR, which reduces DR. The M-1 might have a LOW Iso setting like the P5, which basically is just ETTR in camera.
I’m pretty sure that the M-1 has 1/8000, which also brings another f-stop.
However, I have a hard time to understand people who moan over this difference. A density filter really helps to shift the iso range where you want to have it.
Shallow DOF feels highly overrated to me anyway, but if people talking about silky waterfalls at daylight they really expose that they have no clue.
Still not convinced that DR gets worse at lower ISO: according to dxomark the GH3 for instance is slightly better at ISO 125 than 200. I checked DR on several other brands and they all show a better DR at their lowest ISO.
That said the oly sensor may reach saturation at a different iso than other brands, and I got to say that I just *love* the EM5 DR: I still just wish to have the option to go down to ISO 50, if only because I may be old style and when you shoot is always good to have simple options to get what you need.
And since I’m talking about DR I still wish oly would give us more options for bracketing: 7 brackets 2 stops apart pleeze. How darn hard is that? These should be really trivial firmware implementations IMHO.
I thought 200 was the optimal for DR. I’d be happy to sacrifice a bit of DR to double the exposure time. Personal opinion is that available ISO settings are slanted too far to the sensitive end of the spectrum – for my use anyway.
So do you mean Professional should use a larger sensor camera ?
Every pro cam (at least canon anf nikon) nowadays propose a 50 iso pulled mode. Oly can’t even propose a 100 iso pulled option. This is lame.
100 ISO is still not enough for proper video work. To shoot wide open with video and still maintains 1/60 second shutter speed, I stack two ND filters to cut 8 stops of light. We would need something like -3100 ISO for proper video work. Not having 100 ISO is not a deal breaker, it’s a simple workaround. If you can’t handle a workaround, maybe you’re better off with an iPhone.
See your point – i don’t shoot video so not an issue for me.
Ideally, negative ISO or built in 8-stops of variable ND filters would be nice, no doubt. Since we’re dreaming, I’d like to see unlimited flash synch speeds, like 1/8000 second synch speed. As it is, you currently need to stack ND filters to shoot wide open in daylight, with a flash.
I buy 82mm ND filters and have a variety of stepdown rings. It may sound like a heavy backpack full of hassle…but it’s less hassle than a horse drawn wagon full of glass negatives, so I’m not complaining.
when I shoot water falls and river, I wish to have ASA 25 or 12. That is just a wish, so I have to buy ND filters before ASA12 becomes available.
It is a pro feature. Not for those point and shooters.
Same reason that 11 is better than 10 on the volume knob of an amplifier!
Yeah, all pro cameras should come with a built-in one stop ND filter such that they can offer ISO 100 instead of 200 as the lowest setting. Or if you have an idea how one could double the saturation capacity (per area) without negatively affecting the low light behaviour, you should probably try to patent it.
Anyone know if in-built ND filters need to be between lens elements or if they can be right in front of the sensor?
If you watch in the Video during the wireless Tablet example, the first screen on that tablet shows clearly ISO 100 and f/2.8 at the bottom of the output screen. So, there is ISO 100 on the M-1 …
I guess that is the LOW iso option already available on the P5 – basically ETTR in cam, losing a but of DR (still quite acceptable). Olympus could do this even more, by sacrificing dynamic range its easy to go ISO 50 or lower. Play a bit with overexposing in cam and correcting that in Lightroom or something similar to understand hiw far this can go, you will be suprised.
I think theres an ISO 100, there is on the ep5 so why not on their flagship. Its just not listed because its an extension ISO
I have 2 OM-D E-M5’s. I love these cameras. I was looking for a few improvements in the M1. 1… 8,000 shutter speed. 2… Video frame rate control. 3… File names. (if you change cards it goes back to 001, instead of where you left off) 4… Stronger mode dial. I had one fall off. 5… Tethering Option. 6… Headphone and Microphone jacks on the body. 7… Option for smaller focus points.
Maybe on the next generation. However I do still love my OM-D. I have not touched my Nikon gear in almost 9 months.
“File names. (if you change cards it goes back to 001, instead of where you left off)”
That’s a setting in the menu.
+1000
Looks like G6 from the Panasonic family married E-M5 from the Olympus family and this was their ugly child. Looks like a Mad Max version of the E-M5, and not very well done. The shutter button looks like uncomfortable angle.
+1. Ugly + Ugly = Very Ugly
If this camera can really focus “full” 4/3 lenses, I will gladly buy it. I will keep the E-3 with the tarditional finder but this will give me even the just three points aasbelow, I am over the moon:
1) access to my old favourite 4/3 lenses
2) ISO 200 up to 25,600
3) 9fps
Life is looking good and the camera is not too small to handle!
I’m with you. I will keep one of my E-3 bodies for my 14-35mm and use my 150mm and 35-100mm on the M-1 for sports.
Damn its ugly and has a lot of features like wifi etc etc. But i want a camera for its excellent photo output and not for its gimmicks. This camera still has the tiny crappy em5 sensor. So maby a nice toy but a terrible camera aimed for the amateurs who think it looks good with their purse. And then the price of 1500 euro. Thats just pathetic. For that amount of money you could buy the same size best superior apsc mirrorless camera with excellent Lenses or a bigger FF reflex. When you walk on the street with em1 and good lens combo for 2200 euro people just gonna make fun of you. Look At her go with that 2200 euro gadet with tiny sensor. Better of buying an iPhone with same picture quality but far more apps for just 350 euro.
People buy M43 because it is small! and with massively lower size and weight of lenses. dropping more than half the size and weight of the package for maybe 5% drop in IQ is not a bad trade-off for many people. If that is not the trade of for you, then why are you on this forum? Just curious!
You know what they say if you identify yourself by the largeness of your tools?
You’re serious? Crappy little sensor? If it’s as good with 4/3 lenses as promised, this is the camera I’ve been waiting for. I stopped using my heavy DSLR gear a few months after getting the E-M5 — and many of my images are indistinguishable or (more often) better. The only shortcoming is having to use manual focus with my 50-200mm. This new model resolves that conundrum but retains the features I love in the E-M5.
I’m amazed at how negative the commentary is here. What sorts of privileged lives do you all lead that a beautiful camera like this could be viewed as an abomination? I, for one, am appreciative of all new, amazing camera technology, especially coming from the days of analog old. I understand why this camera won’t suit all needs — and there are so many other options for you if it doesn’t. For some of us, though, it seems to fill a niche well, based on these preliminary specs. The way it’s being panned here blows my mind. How about just entertaining the possibility that it could exceed your depressingly low expectations?
I am interested in seeing how “freeze-proof” it is. One of the shortcoming on my GH2 is performance in subzero weather.
Even if I rotate batteries in my shirt pocket to keep them warm, the LED screen and the EVF start freezing and stop refreshing. This is the one time I miss the mirror box.
Aside from being able to use pro-4/3rds glass, the extra waterproofing and freeze-proofing make this model worth the extra cost. even if the body seems bulky and SLR-like, the real weight and size savings with m4/3 is the more compact lenses, especially zooms. On most DSLR’s the pro-zooms weigh more than the body. Most of the troll comments on this thread are unfounded. Pros who need the durability and ruggedness of a D4 but need to cut weight and bulk, will seriously consider this body and M4/3 glass.
you should not worry, I remember a test of multiple pro bodies in the arctic area, where the E-3 was in the company of the Canon 1dsxxx series plus Nikon and Pentax bodies. some of the 1Ds bodies gave failures during the multiple days outdoor useage, even Nikon. Regarding to dust/moisture proof you prob know that the E-x series are superior.The only detail that was worrying was the weak spot in the swivel LCD, which was not entirely moisture proof.
Sorry i did not see your comments about the freezing problem of the EVF, I guess Olympus still has to proof the reliability of their EVF in such conditions.
https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+cake&hl=en-US&espv=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sboxchip=Images&sa=X&ei=hxMSUoGKKKThyQGFroEw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&biw=768&bih=928#biv=i%7C8%3Bd%7CprMauPD5aa0kXM%3A
Does anyone know the weight of the camera?
Aaaau…whats the matter? Couldnt respond to one of ky comments with something intelligent so you had to do this? So sad
I have never been around professional photographers where we discussed how pretty or ugly a camera is. I have never heard of a carpenter discuss how pretty his drill or hammer is. Its a tool!!!
Obviously you have neve been around a Carpenter either then. I got this really nice cordless drill the other day. The battery is really light and compact and still has lots of power. It feeals really balanced in my hand and I can use it all day without getting sore. The finish hods up really well to wear and it is splash and dust proof. Etc. Noboby wants an ugly tool.
Everything you mention there has to do with functionality and ergonomics – nothing to do with how it looks.
It seens that Olympus is not aiming this camera at the growth market: the hybrid.
Video is in full bloom. The E-M1 should have had a swivel EVF (forsake the weather sealing, the enthusiast is less likely to shoot in adverse conditions). The combination of the 5-axis and classing-leading video would have a huge chance at success in today’s marketplace.
Olympus could salvage this situation with 1080p 60fps. I’ll buy, even though it lacks the swivel EFV.
Hmm!
1.) We don’t know what the video spec is. Too soon to be over-speculating on that.
2.) Get rid of weather sealing? Hell no!! The majority of the world doesn’t live in nice dry, clean climates. And don’t know too many “enthusiasts” or “pros” who hide away just because of a little bad weather. From the blizzards of canada to 6 months of rain in Seattle, from the dusty desserts of Africa and the Mideast to the, fog of london, from the snows of Mount Fuji to the Monsoons of Asia Pacific… Photographers do get out in adverse condition all the time all over the world, be they enthusiasts or Pro’s doesn’t matter. A lot of enthusiasts and most pros embrace adverse conditions because there are many unique opportunities available then.
Your correct DAAV I was shooting a NCAA Mens Lacrosse gave in a driving snow storm with temps in the teens. My E-3 body was cold and the view finder was fogging up but I was able to capture some great shots. The Canon and Nikon shooters did not show on that day.
try a few extensive shootings whole day at the beach, and you will appreciate dust/moisture sealing. My Kodak DCS 760 in 2009 was full with fine dust/sand after just one day.
Should have some appeal for serious 4/3 holdouts, but that’s gotta be a pretty minuscule market at this stage. Otherwise I think it’s going to be a tough sell at $1500 given the downward pressure from FF cameras getting pretty close to that price point and the fact that it doesn’t appear to offer a huge amount more than the E-M5 at around $1000.
I’m interested to see if they made an effort on the video specs. The IBIS on the E-M5 is a gamechanger for DSLR video, as far as I’m concerned, but the codec is terrible. So far, though, Olympus doesn’t seem to have a clue or a care about video, so I’m not holding my breath.
I, and apparently many others, don’t want ff no matter how good the IQ. Its a non-starter owing to size and weight. Got it?
Looks nice! But the changes aren’t worth ditching my E-M5 for me. Nothing really stands out except 1/8000th and the grip. The grip looks great though, and doesn’t really use more realestate if you factor in the lens which will almost always be attached!
I’m assuming it too has the ISO 100 equivalent, and it’s just not listed. If it doesn’t have it, that would be a pretty crappy mistake.
C’mon Olympus, ISO 50 for your next-gen cameras? A lot of us love shooting wide open outside, and ND filters are a hassle!
Will probably hold off for a GH5 with similar features, but look forward to seeing some sample pics with the Zuiko glass in AF-C mode. Anyone know if this thing tracks at 9 fps in phase-detect?
Oh I get it now. We’re all slamming the new camera (that isn’t even announced yet) so that we spook Olympus and its sold for less money.
Can’t stand it. Ugly. Not for me.
(Where can I preorder one?)
I’m going to have to go back and look at your chatter from the E-M5 announcement. I bet it looks the same as this.
Yes, it is rather sad, isn’t it? A number of us are quite pleased with this camera (from what we’ve seen so far) but there are the spoilers that just have to throw dirt on something, just because they can…
throw dirt because they can, you mean like this?
http://www.43rumors.com/full-gh3-image-and-specs-leak-and-you-can-preorder-the-gh3-at-samys/#comments
or the price comments here?
http://www.43rumors.com/continually-updated-new-panasonic-gh3-and-35-100mm-x-lens-announced/comment-page-1/#comments
I agree, its sad
Hahaha!!! Its hilarious!!!
They can hate on anything Panasonic, all day, everyday. Yet, as soon as you call this Olympus camera “Ugly”, they Cry foul. Hahahaha!!
And wow, look at the proof! The hate for Panasonic is off the Charts!!
How do you all sleep at night, with such hatred for a brand that never did anything to you??
Mr ALL CAPS
What’s going on with the comments???
Anyway, here’s a size comparison:
http://3.static.img-dpreview.com/files/t/TS940x940~c6f155e1bee044bf9ef44032facd52d1
Thanks for that comparison!
It’s a prototype hardware and look, will be cleaner at launch.
I want new DSLR with large optical viewfinder only !
not Electronic Viewfinder.
I am not in press with the OMD-EM1.
looks like i need to jump ship to Nikon or Canon.
M43 is mirrorless, which means no optical VF, unless it’s a hybrid design like the X-Pro1, which, correct me if I’m wrong, is not TTL. Why are you on a mirrorless system if you want Optical vf? It’s not going to happen, you need a DSLR.
users of 43 glass are used to optical vf’s which give an entirely different feel to the photography. More immediate and more real for me. I’d love to see an optical vf solution – not fashionable unfortunately.
Me too,+1
Pentaprism hybrid viewfinder 😉
I would see something really new!!
better make a try before you go.
Have you tried the E-M5 or better still, the E-P5 with the VF-4 on it (which is what this E-M1 will be using internally)? If you haven’t then you are missing out on knowing how good an EVF can be. BTW, you can select a lesser view quality for double the screen refresh rate for those action shots & it works very well. Do yourself a favour & at least try it before dismissing it. If you don’t, then you would be just following the crowd that can’t think for themselves & just fall for the marketing hype of the two big companies without doing sufficient research for yourself first.
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Have you tried the E-M5 or better still, the E-P5 with the VF-4 on it (which is what this E-M1 will be using internally)? If you haven’t then you are missing out on knowing how good an EVF can be. BTW, you can select a lesser view quality for double the screen refresh rate for those action shots & it works very well. Do yourself a favour & at least try it before dismissing it. If you don’t, then you would be just following the crowd that can’t think for themselves & just fall for the marketing hype of the two big companies without doing sufficient research for yourself first
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Been looking forward to their PD solution for such a long time now, if it works with MFT glass too, I think I’ll buy it 🙂
Well I like it, the design is nice and the fact that it will bridge the gap between FT and MFT makes it ideal for professional photographers. I wish they had announced this 4 months ago, I would not have sold a lot of my MFT gear. I loved the E-M5 but it really struggled with continuous AF which ultimately led to me selling off the gear.
I’m glad they bumped the shutter up to 1/8000 but not providing ISO 100 and lower is not ideal.
I know some people scoff at the “big” four thirds lenses but for a professional having the option of a compact system as well as using the fantastic FT fast glass, well, this is what I wanted last year. Excited to see how it performs…
Yeah, at least the 14 Olympus pros will be happy 🙂
Can we get some info on the battery – is this the same as the E-M5 ones or a new sort?
Same IQ as e-m5/e-p5/epl5 with the bonus of more likely moiré 🙂
Same weather proofing as E-M5
Same 5-axis IS as E-M5/E-P5
Same 9fps as E-M5
Same ISO range as E-M5
Wow 1/8000th & Wi-Fi
E-M5 now available as low as £560 import tax paid
http://www.procamerashop.co.uk/cameras/olympus/olympus-om-d/olympus-om-d-e-m5-digital-camera-body-black.html
E-M1 looking to be in the £1500 bracket that is some serious cash for mFT option
Nor forgetting assuming it looks anything like this ,it is sincerely butt ugly 🙂
Given the way it looks, I would say they spent a large amount of time figuring out the best ergonomics for that grip area. Looks like the thumb rest is well planned.
But, for me, I want to know how well phase auto-focus works with M43 glass. I’m not interested in a new camera unless this is a significant move forward in tracking.
I know from a trusted source that this one will have an hybrid viewfinder like fuji ones!
Do you like it ?
NO !
And will it have a Silent Electronic Shutter just like the Panasonic Lumix Cameras…completely silent…not just whisper quiet…
They could have just went back to the E-1 shell, but they want to save 2 bucks on omitting the backlit LCD control panel at the top. Maybe Olympus should just re-make the Minolta Alpha-7 as their cameras are getting more and more like old Minoltas anyway (except for the missing grip sensor).
I’m in! I’m happy to invest in a m4/3 camera that supports my 35-100 f2. I’m really excited to see more!
“Now that you know the camera design and specs”
No, we don’t know the specs. 9fps – is it with AF+TR or not? Anyway, seems on the low side for marketing purposes.
Does anybody have a clue how well the Continues focus/tracking focus will be both on 4/3 and M43 lenses on this E-M1 body?
Who else noticed “HDR” on the top left switch?
Well, as a long-time 43 user, I’m not quite sure what to make of this. First of all I’m a little disappointed that it has been leaked quite so extensively, so devoid of any presentation by Olympus explaining the rationale. But from what I see, I’m concerned that it will be too small to handle larger 43 glass comfortably – anything larger than the 12-60 – and too big to make sense with m43 lenses. Maybe the larger m43 telezooms are about right. But as the E-4xxx / 6xx were too small for the SHG lenses, so it seems will this be, and IMHO these are the ones that retain an advantage over m43. Otherwise it seems fine. It is sad the Olympus does not seem to realise that their relevant masterpiece is the E-1, not the OM-1. But since the E-M5 seems to have sold very well, one can hardly blame them.
So I can either keep my E-5 / E-P3 twin setups, using whichever is appropriate, or I an get an E-M1 which I can use in all scenarios, but which will always be a slightly uncomfortable compromise. Hmm.
I made the mistake of not using my 50-200mm with the E-M5 for the first six months because of how the camera felt in relation to the heavy lens. When I finally did use that combo, I quickly grew accustomed to the feel and balance, and now don’t even use my E-3 anymore since the IQ and performance of the E-M5 far exceeds it. I’m just looking forward to effective and fast AF with my FT lenses and if this model provides that, I don’t see its size as a deterrent. The grip will definitely help.
Pls Olympus OM-D 5 replacement with FLASH (& better no hump)
Panasonic has a gx7 waiting for you.
ibis / Evf too week…
This camera is the BOMB! Way to go Olympus, a home run!
“FrankenCam” is the best nickname for the E-M1;-)
+1
If Olympus plays their cards right, they could rebuild what they destroyed with the delay between e1 and e3. They had a great system but were to slow to update it.
it’s to small – try it with 300/2,8 and it’s imposible to balance.
A slightly larger grip would have been fine, but that thing is ridiculous and looks ugly.
Would have been better the other way around. New 43 sensor not m43 and take both 43 and m43 glass.
Actually this looks more and more like an E-510 / E-620.
Yes the grip on E-M1 is very like grip on E-620, but this have large size and weight.
Well, looks a butt ugly grip and the nearly 50/50 like/dislike indicates that, well, there are more people on this planet with no taste, than I had previously realized-poor souls. 🙂
So you take pictures with your taste? True multimedia taste pictures.
This camera helps 4/3 glass owners use their high grade optics while making the E-m5 a more compelling option for others. By putting a “pro” camera out there, Olympus is looking to strengthen their brand name. What would have been best, however, is if they utilized an 18mp (sony,toshiba…)sensor that was on the same level as the current 18mp Canon crop. APSC is m43’s main competitor. If they can be taken out of the equation then ones choices becomes very black and white in regards to size vs weight. Yes, it is not that pretty, but I for one would still love to see what this sensor can do with some of the best glass on the market.
The GX7 is looking better all the time.
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Looks like a lumpy plastic turd
I still do believe that this is just a prototype featuring the technology of the new camera but not the looks. I’m convinced that the cam’s look will differ significantly from the prototype when it’s launched.
The body looks as if it was made of plastic so I agree with you it may be an usuable prototype to validate electronics and ergonomy.
Looking at it for a while it is not all that bad.
The grip will be really usefull.
But Oly should have used some more Sugru and added some fat around the “prism” to include a flash and balance the look with the thick grip. Little bigger, little boxier aound the prism than it will look like a shrunk Contax.
Even with a Sony sensor I have very low hope for better vid codecs. What a waste of tech.
I recall a pre-production Panasonic not too long ago, might have been the GH3, with a horribly ugly grip too. It was noted that it was pre-production and not everything was finalized, turned out that included the grip. If the big complaint about aesthetics is the grip – and it most likely is, as it dominates the face of the camera – it may just be this is a functional grip for the model and not what the final product will look like. Does anyone know one way or the other?
Personally, for anyone actually interested in photography itself, I find basing the merits of a camera on its appearance a faulty approach. If you want something pretty to display, buy yourself a Kodak Bantam Special and save $1000.
Will I buy it? No.
Why? Because it’s just another OMD with some minor fine tuning.
This is clearly just a marketing game. Olympus still wants to sell the existing OMD. There is no major new features. No improve sensor for either higher resolution or better DR, no mentioned of high bitrate video codec, 70D-like AF on video and so on. Why not just buy the existing OMD for half the price? I don’t get it. Besides, it looks ugly.
You are just a silly kok.
if you already have a GH3 is it worth it???
Looks pretty ugly. Wonder if it’ll be in silver too?
I will have white, look geate by silver lens. 😉
I’m gonna go on record and state that I actually like the look of this camera. The grip looks like it will have a nice ergonomic feel. I like the angular look of the rest of the camera. I like the generous rubber coating
I’m glad it doesn’t have a popup flash. I hate the light quality and they are worthless with an ultra-wide lens, as you get a shadow from them. I never use the popup flash on either the E-5 nor the GH3. I strictly use a Lumapro manual flash with diffusion (on camera) or radio triggers.
This camera is great that it will control 4/3 lenses, for those of us that have them. The fact that they can do on-sensor PDAF is a technical achievement to be commended…well done Olympus! And thanks for considering us diehard 4/3 glass owners.
To all you complainers out there, this camera is not for you…go buy the E-M5 and use your awesome m4/3 lenses. There are plenty of aesthetic options out there, so I’m sure you can find something you like to look at. This camera is a working man’s tool, not a Leica-gem to hang on your neck at the polo grounds.
Where is the flash?
It’s only a guess (albeit a safe one), but the flash will likely be the same little attachable unit that comes with the E-M5. The good news is that, if you don’t need flash, you don’t have to carry it around. The bad news is that it’s not built-in.
The camera definitely looks interesting. Not 100% what I had hoped for, but still, very interesting. It would be great if the price included the adapter and grip, but probably wont. With that said, if it will work fine with my lenses, I will be happy. I will be even happier that I can use my old canon/pentax primes on it as well. Pending my experience trying the camera, the E-3 and E-30 will go up on the used market.
A 16MP exellent sensor with no AA, superb image processor for my 150mm little tuna and 35-100? Smaller and lighter than my E-5? Will buy it although it wouldn’t be my everyday camera.
This camera I will buy just to get the PDAF for my FT glass.
But I am not happy about:
– no OVF option (blinds you at night)
– screen is not fully articulated
– cannot use HLD-5?!
– not enough function buttons
I still want to know:
– do we FINALLY get decent quality video (50mbps and uncompressed HDMI out?!
– can you view playback in the EVF?
– is there a way to set focus to infinity for astrophotography?
– can the screen brightness be reduced to very minimal levels?
– will they finally utilize the touch-screen controls for more than just focus points and playback scrolling?!
$1500 ??????????
Oh dear. What will happen when Nikon launches a small camera with on-sensor PDAF for $700?
Not good.
Is true, the camera doesn’t look graceful but looks very functional. It’s up to you decide what do care about more.
ok, i am in.
Dear Olympus,
Please move the EVF/prism hump to the left, I REALLY don’t wanna be a professional screen nose-rubber.
Thanks!
Sincerely,
A Professional Photographer Not Giving An Eff About Sentimentals Of Retro Design
No it looks really horrible and costs too much. Seems like Oly is really full of themselves. Why would I buy it if they can’t even provide service on their current models.
My guess is this is not a final product. If the final product is looking the same. I’ll wait and see if there is an E-M6 is coming. If so, I’ll wait and buy it. If not, I’ll get the GX7 instead.
M43 ppl are very mediocre
Regarding the look/industrial design… E-620 is better looking; E-1 is better looking; E-520 is better looking; heck, even OM-4 is better looking!
Hmm… Did somebody notice that the 43 14-25 zoom seems to be mounted via an ADAPTER? Compare with the images whith the 17mm m43 prime…
If the watch the video, the speaker does literally say the 4/3 lens is attached to the camera via an adapter (the MMF-3, to be precise). He then suggests that the camera may only work in phase detect AF mode with 4/3 lenses. Hopefully, firmware will enable native µ4/3 lenses to use PDAF, as well.
As a very satisfied owner of the 12-60/2.8-4 lens, two more 43-lenses and ten fixed length OM-lenses, still with an E-520 body waiting for a new that bridges me into the m43-system, the E-M1 fulfills all my dreams.
I don’t care how it looks as long as it delivers what I expect, and btw it is hardly uglier than my E-520 with the 12-60 mounted anyway.
Not owning any 4/3 glass, why should I pay adaptation software cost?
500 bucks more for some useability improvements over the M5, no, I am not buying it.
I lget along with my slim PM2, even if I wanted to throw it away when its lack of userfriendlyness and stupid menues were bothering me.
PM2 is value for money.
M1 is not.
Well then don’t buy it. Why do you feel the need to down a camera body because it does’t fit your perceived needs? Olympus isn’t building bodies with just YOU in mind; they have a lot of people they are seeking to satisfy with what will be their new flagship camera body.
And for the record, it appears to suit me just fine!, although I will await evaluation from some of my favorite testers. At first I thought I might have to buy three systems: a compact take everywhere system, a µ4:3 system, and an M1 system. However, this body seems so small, I can forget about a dedicated µ4:3 system and will only need an extra compact system I can have with me at all times.
…a small body… and? what’s new?
if this turns out to be a fake I will not be surprised, it just seems wrong…
Why should people buy this product ???