This is not an official info but a 43rumors readers visited the Tamron booth at the CP+ show in Yokohama. And when he asked about the release date of the 14-150mm f/3.5-5.8 Di III VC Lens for Micro Four Thirds the answer was that they will not release the lens anymore. Apparently the reason is that also future Panasonic cameras will have in body stabilization and that’s why a VC (Vibration Compensation Mechanism) in lens stabilized lens was no more necessary. The lens is still listed at BHphoto (without preorder option).
The interesting news here is also to learn that future Panasonic cameras may have on sensor stabilization just like the Panasonic GX7…
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The GX-7 with IBIS is a good thing & when on a good thing, stick to it, but does the GH-4 have IBIS?
nope
Ibis runs HOT in video, that’s why. I don’t know why people keep asking for ibis in video when the tech isn’t there yet.
Use a stabilized lens, want to use your old manual lenses? Use a tripod or a rig setup.
People sounding like whiney Babies, crying over ibis for video. Not gonna happen, get over it. Or shoot Oly, with sub part video. It’s that simple. These cameras run hot just by using video. You want you camera innards to melt, for the sake of adding ibis to video? -Please.
Yes, let that crap melt, throw it away and buy a Nikon or a Canon.
“I don’t know why people keep asking for ibis in video when the tech isn’t there yet. ”
BS. It is there for Olympus, Sony and Pentax for years. Panasonic just does not have the IP yet.
Exactly which Pentax, Sony or Olympus video cam has IBIS that works in a video specs comparable to that of the GH4?
This is a nonsensical question. IBIS has nothing to do with codec. Two separate things. All new Sony A-mount cameras, Pentax K-mount cameras and Oly m43 cameras have mechanical IBIS which works for video. Lots of compacts have IBIS which works for video. It is actually cheaper to make 5 axis video IBIS with only 3 of them mechanical (by changing vdeioframe offsets between frames, like a lot of cameras with electronic video stabilization work), making good video stabilization even for closeups and macro (it works better with higher framerates though).
Hah! 🙂
IBIS for video should be spelled correctly. That’s G I T Z O. 😉
MRALLCAPS, I don’t see any crying or whining here. I have made a few suggestion about what I think the Panasonic cameras need.
If you are unsympathetic, so what? But now don’t you cry or whine when Panasonic soon releases IBIS for video.
We will get IBIS for video and you’ll just have to suck it up.
Is there no tolerance from you for photographers & videographers whose needs may vary from yours? Are you the final authority as to the needs of others?
I am not sure you’re qualified.
Sometimes it makes me wonder.
I read once complaints about the rattling of PL25 in video and thought to myself : you use a $600 lens on a $1000 EM-5 body? …and your *personal needs* are to shoot hand held video with Aperture control on auto pilot while using built in microphone for sound footage ?
I cannot presuppose for each and everyone’s personal needs, but there is a reason why videographers did not massively complain at Panasonic’s omission of IBIS on the GH4.
The idea here is to make it easier to shoot good video from a consumer camera.
Not to argue, but I recently went to Las Vegas and on at least two occasions I felt I needed some stabilization for the video. I recorded a live event inside the Chandelier Room – hand-held high over my head, GX7 & 20mm f1.7 and I received thumbs down for unstable video.
I also rode the Hoover “Dam Helicopter” – used the GH3 and wished it had some stabilization – OIS didn’t quite cut it.
I hope so much a new G7 has IBIS that works for Video, that would be my dream hybrid camera, much more than having 4k.
Well there’s a surprise… I’m beginning to fear the fate of the m4/3 Schneider lenses might be similar.
The system doesn’t really need another slow superzoom. However, it does need affordable third party lenses to keep the greed under control. Sigma is doing a good job, but is not especially committed to the system. The thing about Tamron’s lens was its exclusive compatibility with m4/3.
“The system doesn’t really need another slow superzoom” – yes, it does: a good one.
http://www.43rumors.com/tamron-withdraws-plan-to-release-the-14-150mm-mft-lens/#comment-1279880825
I think the selection of superzooms for the system are decent, condsidering they’re 10-11x zooms. The original Panasonic 4/3 lens, as you said yourself, is a good alternative too. These lenses are naturally a compromise, sacrificing performance for convenience.
How many 10x+ zooms do you consider “really good” from any system?
Right, probably only two – the Panasonic 4/3 lens, and the Canon 28-300 L (on Full Frame)…
I think it’s more likely that Tamron found out that they can not compete with the Panasonic 14-140 mm MKII f3.5-5.6 lens.
Not really a shock at all. There are already enough options available. Better yet, all future m43 cameras should come with IBIS as a requirement. Would love to use my manual lenses to shoot some stabilized video.
The Panasonic GH4 with it’s dazzling array of features, is nonetheless a work in progress. Even though it represents the pinnacle of personal, High Fidelity image acquisition technology (at the time of it’s release), the GH4 leaves much room for improvement.
What the (camera) World Needs Now:
5-axis IBIS for video
More sophisticated in-built microphones with wind filtering
Audio ONLY recording mode – on the Mode Dial in place of gimmick picture modes
Improved higher-capacity SD cards with vastly improved read/write speeds.
Improved SD cards? Yes.
IBIS would have been a cool feature for the GH4 as a camera in general. But it wasn’t a priority. The target audience that drool to GH4’s
video specs typically doesn’t shoot hand held to upload on youtube or vimeo.
More sophisticated in-built microphones with wind filtering?
Again, not for the target audience. I don’t think they ever cared a lot about the built in microphone. It is useful for synchronizing, should the sound be recorded separately. Thats it. Otherwise, give them a 3.5mm jack and most importantly, the quality of the sound capture is as important as that of the video capture. Boosted specs…
Audio only mode? I see that as a cool GF/GM feature.
You may be mis-reading/underestimating the “target audience”.
I believe Panasonic is going to broaden that “target audience” with the GH4 and I am speaking as to the future of image acquisition.
Everything I mentioned would broaden the camera’s “target audience” by making it more useful for a Full Range of acquisition. ANY camera that costs thousands of dollars should be able to perform AT LEAST as well as a cell-phone.
“Improved higher-capacity SD cards with vastly improved read/write speeds.”
The new UHS-II 280MB/s SanDisks sound amazing. And looks like both Fuji X-T1 and Panasonic GH4 are able to use them, although I am not sure they can take FULL advantage of their speed.
Sorry, but there is not even one really good 10x+ superzoom available for MFT, except for the rather large and heavy Panasonic/Leica 14-150 for FT which can be used with an adapter. So another option would have been welcome indeed. On the other hand, the Tamron probably wouldn’t have been much better than the latest Panasonic superzoom, either…
Seems like they simply cannot face the competition form the 3 existing m43 superzooms, especially the new Pana 14-140/3.5-5.6 which is both faster and lighter than the old HD version.
The Pana 14-140/3.5-5.6 is too expensive, I am sure that Tamron can seel it cheaper.
That doesn’t sound like a real reason, they could make the lens without VC and save money on the production cost.
I think redesigning and producing a new product would cost more than eliminating the VC components would save.
A successful lie must have some (however tenuous) connection with some (however irrelevant) reality. So, while I agree with your conclusion, I would not rule out the possibility that Panasonic does indeed plan to make IBIS standard in future models.
Right now Panasonic has ZERO cameras in which IBIS work for video (which is where IS matters the most), and oly ONE where it works for photo. I believe this argument from Tamron is pretty much flawed and the real reason is that it’s lenses aren’t probably sufficiently fast for seamless AF…
It’s not that IBIS/OIS can not or should not work for video. I do disagree however, this is not where is makes the biggest difference. Not for professional work.
I personally think that hand held video has its place for casual clips
that doesn’t require 43 sized sensor to begin with.
Perhaps not for professional work, but a stabilized shot makes more of a difference to enthusiast work, at which the GH series has always been priced towards. The enthusiast user is looking for an upgrade from more than just casual video clips and is willing to pay a slight premium for it. On the other hand, they are less willing to carry loads of additional equipment that a professional would. For this market, a smooth, stabilized shot would be the clearest difference over wobbly amateur clips by far–much more so than the upgrade to 4k. This is where Panasonic is clearly missing out in their implementation of IBIS for video.
I really hope Tamron isn’t stopping its development for m4/3 lenses. I understand that there is already some offerings from olympus and panasonic superzooms, so there might be no point of releasing this if optical performance and price is the same. I sure wish though that Tamron enters m4/3 market. Sigma is already there, and also wish to see more from them. More competition and more choice is always welcome. I think they should come up with a 28-300mm giving us a something with versatility and extended reach. They could capitalize on their existing 28-300mm desing and just shrink the lens element, it could have a reasonable size for micro four thirds.
Did they ever do any development past the mockup?
Panasonic needs an IBIS at least as good as the one with 3 axis from EM10, otherwise will lag behind competition. I don’t consider it as an impossible mission, though.
I thought it was better than even 5-axis in practice:
http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-gx7-vs-the-om-d-e-m5-battle-for-my-affection-round-1-ibis-evfs-lcds/
5-axis sounds like mostly marketing to me.
Maybe you mean Panasonic needs to come up with IBIS that sounds at least as cool as 3-axis.
Why would correcting for only 2 kinds of movement be better than correcting for 5 (or 3)?
I don’t know but there could be lots of reasons.
Maybe focusing on 2 let’s you do those more precisely and it allows you to do as well as 5 done slightly less precisely. Being able to do 5 moderately well could give you a great ibis system that’s not as good as 2 but way easier to sell.
Yeah right, like dual cone loudspeakers are much better than two-way let alone three-way loudspeakers.
3 axis IBIS blur image only in 3 axis. Hoping for 2 axis IBIS!
The number of axis does not say anything about how good IBIS is. The EM-1 IBIS is much more powerful than EM-5s. The GX7s seems very good for stills too, though its only 2-axis. Maybe EM-10s IBIS is also better than EM-5s. But nevertheless, I really like the EM-5 IBIS because i can shoot 1/10s at 75mm handheld. And if newer ones are even better there is room for improvement 🙂
Maybe you don’t need 2 extra axis if you never take macro and close-up photos handheld, but those who do – do.
A Word about Handheld Video
MANY people who shoot video are asking for IBIS from Panasonic.
Many people who don’t shoot video attempt to belittle the concerns of videographers as somehow illegitimate.
Here are a few facts to consider.
A tripod, (no matter how expensive), is NOT useful for a sailboat, a helicopter, a moving 3-wheel tadpole trike, a gyro-copter, run & gun ENG reportage etc. etc.
A tripod is only useful on a stationary surface where there is adequate room to allow for it. I have videotaped many music shows in crowded rooms where there is NO place for a tripod for each camera. I might get to mount 2 cams on tabletop-tripods but I always circulate through the venue to get different hand-held angles (so that all the video doesn’t look so static. You can’t “work the room” with a tripod.
I have done several sailboat videos where a tripod would quickly end up in the drink, and would NOT produce smooth video anyway due to the constant tossing of the boat. Since I have no IBIS I have learned some stability techniques.
Helicopter video: Watch “Blunty’s” Hoover Dam helicopter video (shot with the Olympus M10), then watch “My Dam Helicopter Ride” shot with a GH3. I’m not saying that Blunty’s technique wasn’t a factor, but a helicopter produces vibrations and unpredictable movements of it’s own.
I have shot hundreds of hours of video from rolling tadpole trikes on Ohio’s Rails-Trails system. I tried attaching the camera to the trike (tripod style) I got extremely jittery video. I found the best way to achieve stability was to hold the camera up, allowing my arm to relax and “float” along with the bumps (using my elbow like a springer front end on an old Harley).
I like to use a tripod when possible but it does tend to produce “static” video. ALL of my best video clips have been shot from a moving or handheld camera.
Have we NO TOLERANCE for one another? Must ALL “art” look just like mine? Isn’t it possible that different artists require different tools?
Are we really “artists” or just soccer bullies with cameras?
Agreed. The truth is, IBIS has a greater effect on video quality than an improved image for enthusiast users. Professionals use all types of heavy, expensive equipment to create any shot imaginable. On the other hand, enthusiasts travel light and are relegated to much fewer resources. The GH series has always been priced and targeted toward the enthusiast crowd, yet the one feature capable of making the most discernable impact is missing from its latest model. For many of us, this feels like moving in the wrong direction.
Oh petal, you are so tolerant… Yes, Panasonic must introduce better stabilization if they want to market this thing to the masses: that is a big yes!
Stop posting under my name. You are too ignorant and cowardly to ever speak for me.
Grow a set.
Get your OWN identity.
Try to build even a tiny bit of cred and respectability over the course of your life.
Post some of your “illustrious work” before tearing others apart for their work.
Pray to God that your kids don’t turn out like you.
Still the same insufferable bully huh? I bet you have no bottle to be like that in offline life. And I am only joking anyway, there is no need to get worked up. What a sourpuss.
I believe the company saw that there might not be as much monetary potential and the bosses didn’t want to push a project that wasn’t going to pay for itself at least.
If Panasonic’s revision of the 14-140mm lens had not happened, they might have pushed further, but a sliver of a small market isn’t much. Panasonic has to develop lenses for its cameras, Tamron already has plenty of targets.
They should be more ambitions and develop something not available from Oly and Pana. I would be REALLY interested in 11-100/2.8-5.6 weather-sealed lightweight/collapsible travel zoom, and I am sure a lot of people would be interested in 11-220 or 12-240 or so 20x superzoom not available for DSLRs.
Completely agree, duplicating focal lengths is never a good thing, they should do something new. There’s an (equivalent) 24-450mm APS-C DSLR zoom in the pipeline from Tamron and a 28-450mm available from Nikon. They could do something like that or easily make a 15-200mm for m4/3 by reworking their 18-200mm APS-C NEX lens.
And yes, the excuse is lame. Two cameras Panasonic announced after GX7 do not have IBIS and GX7 built in stabilisation is more and more looking like one off experiment.
f/5.8 at 150 mm useless as udder on bull.