Image courtesy: Robin Wong.
Robin Wong just posted a couple of images shot with a “new Olympus” camera. He doesn’t share any details about the camera but this could be (or not be) images taken with the soon to be announced OMD E-M10 cameras.UPDATE: He just said the “new camera” he used is the Stylus 1 🙂
As I told you many times before this cameras will come within the next couple of weeks and feature the same E-M5 sensor with E-M1 imaging processor. Now it’s your guess to say if that could be the E-M10 🙂
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If it is the E-M10… wouldn’t the output be basically almost indistinguishable from the E-M5 as they are supposedly going to have almost the same sensor?
No, the image processor makes a considerable difference. Since this is the newer and improved image processor of the E-M1, the images could be noticeably different.
sarcasm^^
Any info on the video capabilities?
2nd: any info?
3rd!
i sure hope its the 40-150 f/2.8 on the new em-10… it looks like a telephoto lens of some sort,maybe the 75mm 1.8?
Exactly. The biggest difference I have found is the AF is hugely superior, so you won’t notice in these photos. Although my guess was EM-10 with 75mm, from one of Robin’s replies about maybe not being u43, then it could be the Stylus, which would be pretty amazing.
I don’t think it is the Stylus 1 (which uses the same sensor as the XZ-2 of 1/1.7″), but I have taken some impressive shots with mine (I got it for Christmas) & they can be seen here. http://www.mu-43.com/showthread.php?t=57724&page=5&p=578427#post578427
What about the EVF? Will it be the same as EM-1?
Olympus has the crappiest naming convention.
Check my comment & link above.
Sorry, this went into the wrong reply spot.
I can’t believe there are morons thinking it’s a Stylus LOL
Robin says somewhere in the comments that he was surprised by the quality of the shots, so there’s no way in hell they were taken with a new pro lens. That wouldn’t surprise him at all, whereas quality like this from the Stylus 1 most certainly would. I shoot with an XZ1 sometimes and am consistently impressed with how good the files are from that 1/1.7 sensor, so I wouldn’t be shocked at all if these were, indeed, from the Stylus 1. Keep in mind here that he’s not showing full res files.
Robin invites his readers to guess which camera-lens combo he has used. Thus I doubt it is the Stylus which has a fixed zoom.
Check my comment & link above.
Well I have eaten my words and stand corrected!
Wow – I think your in the wrong place… People don’t do that on the internet!
+1
Wait, I thought Olympus was going out of business? 😉
Look at the blown HL in the fifth shot – The one of noodles and sesame.
Olympus is diluting it’s value with all these cameras that ‘use the same processor as…’ or ‘use the same chip as…’
Otherwise the shots are really nice – But m4/3rds has to get it’s highlights together to compete.
One of the bad habits I picked up on discussion forums was being too obsessed with never blowing a highlight. Even with my DSLRs. Then later I realized pros were blowing highlights on purpose for magazine and other shoots and making lots of money doing it. Now…I care not…or at least, I’m no longer obsessed with it. 😉
Nothing wrong with (you name it) provided thats the desired effect 😉
Ghosting, blown/underexposed highlights, Shallow DoF, flares, long exposures, etc…
But as with every craft, its safer understand the rules to know how to break the rules. Its ok to figure out that a flare happens to look cool on a given picture, but on average its better when done on purpose.
Hmmmm….VERY sharp images with punchy color!…Robin is very funny with his responses in his comment section. He is having fun with this. Beautiful Images…but I do not know what camera and lens combo it could be based on his comments?…If he is asking us to guess a camera AND lens (indicating that we would have a choice for the lens) I would think it would be an ILC camera…so that disqualifies the Stylus….I can’t guess what his hints referring to bird photography could be?
E-M10 + 25mm F1.8?
Looks like a tele lens, though… Probably E-M10 with 40-150mm.
He did say camera and lens but I think it could refer to guessing the speed and focal length of the lens. It seems like a long telephoto reach and it can get shallow dof at that length. He did say in the comments that they might be onto something when someone posted a comment that it wasn’t m43 and liked the idea of someone brining up 1.4 aperture. So my guess is a long zoom with a smaller sensor with a consistent very fast aperture. But really I think it’s the new omd with the new pro lens.
Yeah…the 40-150mm would lend itself to birding…but Robin’s f/1.4 tease makes no sense in that case?…it definitely isn’t the 75mm (unless he is using a small extension tube), as there is no way that lens will focus as close as a couple of the shots suggest. At least HE is laughing, 🙂
A focal length of 300 mm equivalent is still short for taking wildlife bird photos unless you want the birds to be a small part of the photos.
I agree…but every situation is different . 300mm could be a good stating place…based on Robins photos and clues, what cameras and lenses we know are coming, and his hints I am just trying to guess a lens…not suggest the best lens for birding..which generally would be a much longer tele.
E-M10 + 12-40/2.8-4.0 :p
He mentioned on the blog a hint about f1.4. That would NOT be the Stylus, but it could be an XZ-3. That’s my vote.
I suspect the f/1.4 referred to the PanaLeica 25/1.4; in other words that he did not use a Panasonic lens, but that he liked that they had produced a 1.4 lens. This may hint at the E-M10 with 25/1.8. However the pictures look more like being taken with a tele lens.
The dof is very shallow. In the shot the oof birds are only a few feet behind the in focus bird and are just a blur of color. Would a 150 2.8 be able to do that on m43.
A 150 2.8 does the same thing on every sensor size, on 4/3 it’s just cropped.
Not so. If the the 150mm f/2.8 lens is designed with an image circle for MFT there is no crop. Also the DOF is twice as deep (at any given aperture) on the MFT sensor than on a FF sensor. The only thing that would remain the same over all sensors is the amount of light it let’s in to the sensor.
It could be an Olympus interpretation of Sony’s RX10…
The RX10 is a fixed lens camera with better and more versatile lens (sharper, better color, contrast, close focus, longer reach) than the “Pro” 12-40mm. Price seems high for fixed lens but is only around half of a good M43 DSLR like body and the 12-40. So nothing really comparable in M43 world, not at that prize, size and quality. Sony rules all M43 with only one attempt in every class with their RX (1,10,100) series.
“The RX10 is a fixed lens camera with better and more versatile lens (sharper, better color, contrast, close focus, longer reach) than the “Pro” 12-40mm… Sony rules all M43 with only one attempt in every class with their RX (1,10,100) series.”
LOL 🙂
You should stop smoking whatever you’re inhaling… 😉
As to camera a new camera rules out the Stylus 1 and the smaller sensor would not produce the lowest DOF at 200mm compared to the others discussed so likely the EM10is the camera.
Of the tele lenses mentioned the 75/f1.7 would be the most likely as would have the least DOF of lenses discussed. Also the Oly 2.8 zoom lens seem to be less sharp at the tele end wide open while the 75/f1.7 reportedly the sharpest lens Oly currently makes.
Correction – The potential shallow depth of field of the 75/f1.7 and that of reported new 40-150/f2.8 would be about equal. My guess was the 75 lens because likely to have higher resolution than a tele zoom and with pet parrots and peacock one can get very close.
It’s possible as those birds are likely captive birds and the photos probably were taken in a park or zoo and not in the wild where getting close to them could be difficult.
Whatever it is, it’s not sharp and looks flat.
It is the Stylus 1. Imagining Resources also reported it has creamy bokeh on the tele end.
link: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-stylus-1/olympus-stylus-1A.HTM
The photos on that link don’t look nearly as good as Robin’s.
Agree. But what Robin can do even with a compact camera or any camera is amazing.
What about the Stylus 1 photos I posted in this thread? http://www.mu-43.com/showthread.php?t=57724&page=5&p=578427#post578427
Yes, I know they aren’t as good as Robins either, but I’m still quite pleased with what I can get out of it.
I think they do – on robin´s website you only got small images, no 100% view. I would bet it is the Stylus, not the E-M10.
DAMN, I REALLY should have made this bet 😉
Thanks for posting this link to the Imaging-Resources Review one of the best I have seen on Stylus 1 even if no lens tests yet. I-R points out that Stylus body is in fact plastic over metal unlike the EM5 contrary to what other previews from DPR claiming the body was magnesium metal.
I have always said that you can get the same shallow depth of field out of an expensive fast lens on a larger sensor camera by simply going longer with a smaller sensor and these pictures prove that.
Up to now the Pany FZ200 was the only superzoom with a constant F2.8 but 24-600 range but this Stylus I is significantly smaller was only half the depth and has a full sized good resolution EVF and 1/1.7″ sensor with better high iso. I am very tempted by this one and one can extend its range by adding the 1.7X converter if needed. I wonder if the Stylus I has an intelligent zoom range?
I see from the comments to this rumor many said the IQ from the pictures equaled those from the EM5 yet as we no know they are from the Stylus I with a significantly smaller sensor. I think that some of these superzooms indeed have some very good lenses with high resolving power. DPRs test of the Pany FZ200 with f2.8 and 600mm tested out at 2,100 and 2,200 lines resolution even with 1/2.3″ sensor and quite possible this Oly designed lens with many advanced lens elements even slightly higher resolution. Note most std tele and older tele zooms for APS-C tested lower than this and were only F5.6 or 6.3 slow speed not F2.8. For many this superzoom camera may be all they need to compliment their compact camera and no need to go DSLR for medium tele range.
Beautiful shots whatever the camera! One of the guessesin the comnents section was a compact of some sort, to which robin replied that he may be onto something!
Either way, i think this series proves that good photography is not reliant on the use o fhigh end eqiupment, it is also an art form that requires skill and a good eye…
You need technical quality too, even if you don’t want to hear it. Ask Ansel.
Robin Wong usually times his Olympus equipment review to come out on the day the camera and/or lens is announced. The Stylus One is already in the stores. Plus he did state guess the camera and lens. So it leaves out the fixed lens cameras. The best guess is the E-M10 with the 40-150 f2.8. Another wild guess is the Olympus FF pro camera with the FF Next mount and the 400 f2.8 the Olympus is planning on making for Sony.
It better not be FF, Because at that quality, it’s doomed.
If only trolls here could be more creative, it would actually make the comments interesting.
Your attempts are dull and flat
Kinda like those Robin Wong photos…
Seems like you are projecting, since you have nothing better to do with your life than troll.
Wrong, simply stating my opinion.
You happen not to agree with it, so you troll me instead.
again, i state my opinion, and you troll again.
Trolls Gon’ Troll, I guess..
Well your right – it’s not FF…
I know what camera he is using since I went out shooting with him yesterday 😛
Tell, tell!! 🙂
When will they be officially announced?
He said will announce by today 🙂 Some of u got the answer right!
I guess Monday in the USA which is tomorrow since its Sunday right now.
Impossible!
How come Admin has no news about this announcement?
Admin is the best! 😀
A blurred picture of the camera
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5484/11787893795_cca38c8e21_o.jpg
Good find! LOL!
Gotta blur it since he don’t allow me reveal it yet. Some of u got the answer right by the way!
The small amount of detail at the grip is visible & maybe looks like it could have a similar grip to the E-M1. That could be interesting if the E-M10 uses the HLD-7 grip instead of the HLD-6 or yet another for it.
Anyone working at CTU?
I saw on the 24, that they basically work with these type of images all the time.
Perhaps it’s the em10+42.5mm f1.2 😉
em10 + oly 45 1.8
Robin only shoots Olympus equipment for Olympus so it definitely is not the new Nocticron.
EM 10 WESTING TIMES
Em-10. Too small of a lens for the 42.5. I’m guessing the 25 1.8 rumored lens. Or maybe it’s a 25 1.4 since robin said he likes that someone guessed 1.4
Robin can tak pictures with cheap cameras and make them look better than Canon, so I think it might be a compact camera, he’s amazing.
He sure is a wizard with software and of course small samples for the web always look good, no matter what camera is used. I can do that with an phone cam. Search for some full resolution high ISO samples.
I wonder if Olympus has a new compact camera with a 4/3 sensor in it. A replacement for the XZ2. There has been some speculation of such a creature.
Lens too small to be 42.5mm panaleica or 40-150 f2.8 zuiko.
It’s a either a stylus OMD (m43 sensor) or EM10 with 25mm
People keep posting about aperture, focal length and sensor size but seem to be forgetting about the importance of closest focusing distance especially at the telephoto end, which is why the hole equivalence thing in real world terms isn’t always on an equal plane and as simple as people make out.
This factored in can be so crucial potentially allowing a smaller sensor camera at the telephoto end with a 300mm equiv FOV at f2.8 SHOT IN TELEMACRO MODE to produce impressively shallow DOF and creamy bokeh comparable to a larger sensor setup shot at moderate aperature and not so close focusing distance.
It probably is the em10 with a large aperture but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if it was indeed shot at 300mm equiv at
f2.8 at the very closest focusing distance an maginification in telelmacro mode.
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/compact/1/feature/01/
Two photos I’ve taken of a King Parrot on the chair next to me taken with the Stylus 1 at 26.2 & 35mm lengths show a nice shallow DoF & with some nice detail of the bird. As I’ve posted here. http://www.fourthirds-user.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13237
Excellent images Ross. The first two images in particular perfectly demonstrate the point I was trying to make and those bokeh balls very nice.
Thanks, I was pleasantly surprised myself, but I went with that camera because of impressive photos I had seen from the XZ-2 & the Stylus 1 had the 10.7 X zoom & EVF that suited me better. The other images were taken earlier with my E-M5 kit.
Nobody touches MY bokeh balls.
Indeed. I often use my “old” C750 (10x zoom) in macro or super macro mode to blur the background…
I can confirm that it is the stylus 1. Found a de-blurred original image on the web
I don’t think so!
You can reverse an encryption, but not blurred images!
Details were gone and you can never get them back.
Hi
Yes, but it might be the original image pre blurring and not a reverse engineered one.
Well, F/stop wrote: Found a de-blurred image – what he meant was: The original version.
Search for the photographer, it’s easy. The housing says indeed Stylus 1.
Robin just confirmed it is the new Stylus 1
How boring.
I’m a little surpriced by the quality of pictures from the Stylus… The pictures are mainly in the ISO 100-200 range, though. Of course, the sensor has been improved from that of the XZ-1, which was rather poor at and above ISO 400, but Robin claims he got good results even at ISO 1600.
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To me, stepping from the XZ-1 to the E-P1 to the E-M5 gave a *marked* improvement in image quality in each step. I wonder where the Stylus is in this range.
Look elsewhere on the internet for full resolution high ISO samples from the Stylus 1. Be ready to be disappointed.
If the new EM whatever is using the same sensor as the EM-5, I won’t be buying it. Olympus should spend its resources on the C-AF. With improved C-AF like that of the EM-1, that replacement camera would be a more versatile camera instead of just another camera that is capable of giving you pretty photos.
I sooooooo don’t care about C-AF.
But I’d like 1080p60 or even 4k with a good codec.
I soooooo don’t care about C-AF or video and if this E-M10 doesn’t suffer from shutter shock like the E-M5 and the E-M1 do, I want one.
LOL, what a bunch of geniuses we are! Going on all day about pro equipment and if Robin pulls out a compact, we can’t even distinguish it. Just shows that m43 well shot will deliver better images than someone shooting FF with little photographic idea. Maybe a little less aggressive gear bashing would improve the forum culture…
Totally agree!
Agreed, but the bashers only buy for bragging rights not photography
+1000! I just received my Stylus 1 today and I am surprised how small and light it seems as compared to the E-M1 (even though the size difference is not that big). I am looking forward to taking shots with it (even though they will definitely not be as good as Robin’s). 😉
I’ve certainly been enjoying mine & hope you get on well with yours too.
I agree. But also came away with the impression that a point and shoot in the right hands is sufficient. So, for the most part, the average gear addicts are fooling themselves thinking that they need more than that.
Isn’t it the same in any field? Football shoes, golf clubs, fishing reels – you name it.
Sorry, but I don’t completely agree. Sure, a good photographer can make wonderful photographs with a simple/small camera/sensor. However, if that photographer wants a nice big print of his favorite photo, he probably wished he had used a better sensor/lens. It’s true, I’ve seen some great but noisy low resolution images sadly fall apart on a printer.
If you don’t have a choice and a simple camera like the Stylus 1 is all you have, I totally understand. The best camera is the one you carry with you. But often we do have a choice. The Stylus 1 is about the same size as the E-M5 or E-M10.
http://camerasize.com/compare/#521,494
The micro four thirds cameras have a much larger sensor and some very good lenses are available. Why not save some more and buy a more satisfying tool?
Are you sure you can reach the same size with a 28-300 in the em10? No my friend.
The Stylus 1 doesn’t have a micro four thirds sensor. It uses a much smaller and lower resolution (12mp) 1/1.7″ sensor and to be honest, it shows. If you don’t need larger prints or good low light performance, this camera will do. It has a great zoom range and lots of interesting features. Resized images for the web almost always look good. Things change when you want a print.
When I look at the size of this camera, I think the E-M10 makes much more sense. The two are about the same size, but the E-M10 boasts an excellent 16mp micro four thirds sensor and there are many good prime (a new 25mm f/1.8 yeah!) and zoom lenses you can choose from. In the end, the E-M10 will deliver significantly better image quality in many circumstances.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the Stylus is a bad camera, but to me it just doesn’t make sense. I’m in the market for a small camera and after looking at some full resolution files from this Stylus 1, I can say that this is definitively not the best camera for me. It may be for you though.