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As you know Fuji and Panasonic are working together on a new generation of organic sensors. Fujifilm just issued a press release to say that they developed a new photoresist technology for organic semiconductors enabling submicron patterns. Image sensor world writes that “Generally, patterning of organic semiconductor materials degrades the property of converting light into electricity, but the OPD developed in this case were patterned without degradation”
I don’t expect organic sensors to be used on production cameras before 2015.
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At least Panasonic are good at making sensors. Shame they’re rubbish when it comes to rest of the camera and the lenses!
Well, the 20mm 1.7 is really good, but I find it laughable that they didn’t fix the abysmally slow autofocus on the recently released 2nd version of it.
But they do have many other nice lenses too.
I don’t really care for the panasonic cameras though, although I’d like to see a few of the cool video features like 60/24/25 fps, high bitrate, etc. in the oly bodies.
Panasonic 43 lens is really amazing,.but most of them big and , curious not one of M43 lens from Lumix can match their 43 lens optically ,.like 14-50 2.8-4, and 14-150 leica vario or even the 25PL DG can not match the 25PL D 43 version,.
I have to ask why you need to be so inflammatory when you know it is going to cause problems. We are all entitled to opinions but why is it necessary to keep on repeating the negative theme each time. It is still possible to get constructive comments without the negative stuff that is going to cause reactions in others.
Saying they are rubbish, is only making you sound like you do not have a logical mind. They are definitely not rubbish as they produce cameras that take very good photos in the right hands. I personally do not buy Panasonic as I prefer Olympus but I don’t see any point in making extreme comments.
He’s obviously just another oxygen thief.
MAF..we agree, but he just has to shout it out to get a reaction and attention. Immaturity at its best. We just need to ignore this type and continue the discussion.
Your comment contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation
I prefer Olympus bodies to the Panasonic ones and I don’t think that they have the edge on sensors right now. But I like and often use some of their lenses : the 25mm F1.4 is one of my favorite lenses. The 20mm is a nice and sharp pancake too and the 14-45mm std zoom has been a good one as well. The 14mm pancake has a little too much distortion left, but us small and light. Can’t speak for their two fast zooms : I’m waiting for the 12-40mm reviews to decide which one to get. If IQ is better I’ll get the 12-40mm for the longer range inspite of its size and weight. If IQ is on parr it will be a tougher choice : more range or more weight ? I wasn’t in awe with the 12-35mm IQ at the wide angle.. So I may just stay with primes..
oh i know you are olympus blood ,and let hope Oly still good ti alive and not suck by Sony.
I just ordered the 12-40 having chewed it over like you. The range is useful but much more important for me is the 0.6x macro capability, build quality and pull back focus ring. Early reviews also look promising although there is probably some Oly bias around (shock horror!). It helps that I am buying it with an EM1 and saving £300 on the individual prices (i’m upgrading from GH1).
You are truly hilarious. If Panasonic has any weakness, it’s been in sensors. Their cameras are far superior to Oly’s in terms of usability, user interface, ease of use, etc. Pretty much everything that matters in terms of actually taking photographs.
Oly best for shooting test charts.
Panasonic best for photographers in the field.
+10
It’s a shame that Olympus hasn’t reworked their UI. Unfortunately, until the EM1, they’ve been too enamored with retro styling to make good ergonomics a priority.
Err… That means better cameras to come in the future? Sure, bring them on.
So far I was reading OLED as “Organic Light Emitting Diodes”. Not sure what it has to do with sensors, which are exactly the oposite – Light collecing devices…
check out the news release and find (OPD)*7 on the page.
Where did you read “OLED”? It just says organic, which means materials and compounds based on carbon.
Scroll up a screen or two, and on picture below the title of this post you should be able to read “patterned OLED” on orange blotches… At least I see it…
Yes it says OLED many times on the page. But that’s just one of the two applications mentioned for the technology, the other being OPD. Read the comment by ‘s’ below. 🙂
Oh i see, you just didn’t follow the link to read the full story did you …
http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n130926_01.html
It’s about the semiconductors being “O”rganic, new and improved to be without performance degradation. Whether you use them to make a (O)LED or a (O)PD (photo detector) comes later, apparently.
I dont understand a word of this but it sounds impressive!
+100 ( you are an honest man/woman AND best comment, ever).
2015 is not really far away cause we are heading to the end of 2013 , probably less than 24 months away .
The GX series will be very likely to have it consider Pana always give it new sensor ahead among the rest .
By the way , where is this long await MCS tech from Pana ???
maybe ,but always new sensor is GH series ,looking back
ok, in case of confusion:
They are basically saying that they can make very small organic-electronic features and retain their conductivity, over large-flat surfaces, which was not possible earlier. The graphs shows that illuminating a piece of silicon with printed organic photodetectors (OPD) with a sunlight-like source (AM1.5) causes a flow of a current (per area, thus density). The picture on the right shows the distances between the dots are very small and they are OLEDs, not OPDs.
The photoresist is a chemical you put on top of a silicon wafer that, when illuminated, peels right off (or peels off when not illuminated, there are two kinds). You can then evaporate, or coat, the conductors on top of the exposed (or unexposed) areas and make very small features, such as those OLED dots.
Thanks you.
Now it makes some sense! 🙂
Panasonic makes rubbish cameras and lenses… Yes, yes, Panasonic cameras and lenses are pretty much useless, they’ve always been. 8-| I’m sure you meant shitty, not rubbish, as in “Olympus codec is shitty!”
And here I am … feeding the troll! 🙁
i don’t care about troll ,and good pany let make it good for today and future i will support
product always ,
and i don’t know road map about image-sensor next year time of Organic and where MCS,
and now gx7 sensor may be last generation of color-filter sensor ,
and where oly will receive new sensor(EM1 = EM5[ss] + PDAF)
i wish Sony will do on right time 😉
im still happy with my gf1 and still waiting for the killer with the best new sensor because they are still the same since 43 (NOT M43).
i have 25, 45, 75. what ultra wide angle should i buy ? i have 14mm + dmw-gwc1 and it’s not really sharp. 12/2 is too close even the IQ is better. 7-14 is a little expensive and 9-18 sound good. How is AF speed of olympus 9-18?
i have m43 adaptator, is there some wide lens argentic?
Umm, Kiki, you need to get up to speed a bit. The sensors in today’s latest cameras (GH3, GX7, OM-Ds, are probably 3 or more stops better than your old sensor in terms of noise, and similarly on DR.
Wides? Panny 7-14, Oly 9-18, Samyang 7.5mm fisheye. There are no adapted lenses wider than those.
One thing we can say with certainty: sensor technology will continue to improve exponentially, making larger sensors more and more unnecessary. Lens technology, however, hasn’t seen any major technological breakthroughs for improving optical performance for a very long time. Over the long haul, I’ve no doubt that 4/3rds will be big enough to do just about anything a photographer might want; indeed, even it may actually be unnecessarily large in the long term.
Larger sensors will continue to have the properties of larger sensors due to optics no matter how good or bad the sensor performs. Until the laws of physics change (and maybe they will, when optics become organic too), it will stay that way.
Yes, but human eyes doesn’t change. So as long as you will not be able to easily spot the difference it will be irrelevant.
I see more and more GH3s on sale boards.
Thanks.
That’s because a large proportion of camera buyers are more interested in having the latest, greatest hardware than actually using it to take pictures. And those folks are now dumping the GH bodies to buy GX7’s and EM-1’s. Sadly, they’ll never understand why a new camera doesn’t make their pictures any better.
New sensor types that will really be improved to current sensors, or a camera with global shutter – then I will buy a new camera to replace my E-M5, not before.
Rubbish cameras and lenses; GH2, GH3, GX7, PanaeLica 25mm f1.4? Sound like fanboy without objective.