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(FT5) Panasonic LX100 with 4/3 sensor and fixed zoom lens to be announced within the next 5-6 days.

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I can confirm via highly trusted sources that the new Panasonic LX100 fixed zoom lens camera with large Four Thirds sensor and 4K recording will be announced within the next 5-6 days. I have been told the Panasonic GM2 will be announced later just before the start of the Photokina show.

I hope the new LX1000 looks like the gorgeus [shoplink 46868 ebay]Panasonic LC1[/shoplink] you see here on top šŸ™‚

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  1. So a G1X II competitor, finally! As the recent 4/3 sensors are vastly superior to the one Canon uses, it should be an easy win for Panasonic – if the lens is as good and the size comparable. An integrated EVF would be the icing on the cake.

    1. I think if the lens and specs similar to LX8 – it will compete nicely with the G1X II – with Touch LCD etc

    2. A G1Xii competitor would be GREAT. The main two issues I had with the Canon that kept me from buying it were (1) the sensor was a real letdown, and (2) it weighed about as much as a brick. If Panny can provide a similar product without those two flaws (and I believe they can), I will be thrilled.

  2. With the lens fixed to the body, I hope it is at least weather sealed. If true, it would be an advantage that none of its large-sensor, fixed-lens competitors have–A huge selling point to the enthusiast market.

    1. I really doubt it. Panasonic went up against the weathersealed Sony RX10 with their FZ1000 and left it out, I bet they do the same here. Manufacturers are really trying to save money where they can with these types of models, cramming in big sensors, fast lenses, and all the bells and whistles without breaking the bank. The G1X probably left out the viewfinder to save cost. Maybe that’s the reason for the old sensor too (or to protect their SLR sales).

  3. 43 sensor 4k video. I have been thinking of it since June.
    Hopefully it will have electronic + optical stabilisator.

  4. It needs 3 things to sell well, IMHO (4th optional):

    1) Weather sealing – differentiator and carry-everywhere camera
    2) Image Stabilization
    3) tilting if not articulating lens
    4) Fast lens (ideally F2)

    Let’s see….

    4 may be the hardest – depends on the zoom range

  5. I hope it will have a f/2.0 or wider aperture. Just this week I was going to buy a Ricoh GR or a Fuji x100s as a walkaround pocket camera. Maybe I will use this one as a video b-cam too!

      1. It’s a great camera (RicohGR) and complementary to the system. When it’s all about street shooting it’s my first choice. Even landscapes, due to the high resolution and IQ. Still, an interchangeable system is still better for me. If only Ricoh would offer two other focal lenght cameras like Sigma…

  6. Good they have used “LARGE Four Thirds” sensor.
    Ordinary Four Thirds just wouldn’t cut it… šŸ˜‰

      1. Yes it is. But it seems it is not well known, that besides “Four Thirds”, we have also “Large Four Thirds” sensor… ;-)…
        And it is also well known that some people just don’t understand jokes…

          1. LX8 was not a leak only a logic but not very good because previously there were LX3,LX5,LX7 so logically it should be LX9. But I think Pana starts a new millenium.

  7. Yes, LC1 styling would be nice, but since cameras have to be as small as possible these days, I don“t it will have that looks.

  8. So is this LX1000 to be a Fuji X100s clone – a fixed lens single focal length? I think the Fuji X100s is extremely hard to beat for the price – yes the Sony RX1 soon to be RX2 is the king but a lot more money more than double the cost –
    and a M43 sensor camera will just not be able to compete – unless the price is around $500-700
    No one seems to be able to answer my question –
    So the LX8 will be announced with 1 inch sensor 28-90 or 24-90mm – and then also this LX1000 – which will have a m43 sensor ??

      1. Glad to hear that – as I just think it m43 sensor could compete with the X100s and now soon X100T –
        so we are still getting the LX8 ? as a 1 inch sensor camera –

        so this LX1000 will be the first fixed zoom camera ever then ?

        if it has a 24-90mm F1.8-2.8 or basically similar specs as the LX8 but with a m43 sensor I would jump at it – give the body is about the size of the GX7 which I love –

      2. It is just that everyone has been talking about the LX8 with a 1 inch Sony sensor – but now someone explained there is no LX8 with a 1 inch sensor – what this is a LX1000 with a M43 sensor – fixed lens but zoom –
        Got it – so hopefully in a small form factor like the GM1 / LX7 so it will beat the pants of the Sony RX100m3 šŸ™‚

  9. i was hoping for a fast fixed 35mm equivalent in a really small camera
    well then I might have to get the upcoming sony RX2…

      1. I think people have been talking about such a camera from Olympus, sort of a digital Trip. Still, if you can afford an RX2, get one.

  10. A 10-20mm F2 will be sweet with aperture ring and distance scale on the barrel. Add a teleconverter and macro converter as assessories and and that would make a perfect street shooter

    1. this is a ridiculous comment. In addition to not being a popular focal range , this kind of max aperture on a focal length like this would be huge and offer serious proble

      1. ?? That would be 20-40 in 35mm equivalence. With teleconverter it will cover 50mm. Not expecting a pocket camera here…

  11. is it a zoom lens or fixed lens?
    fixed zoom lens is so confusing

    24-90mm with a F2.0-2.4 sounds about right like LC1

    1. I think they mean fixed as in non-interchangable.

      I got confused too when I started seeing this term in modern cameras. “What? It can’t be both fixed and a zoom lens! Get yer facts straight!”

    2. A 24-90mm (equiv.) f/2.0-2.4 for 4/3″ would have to be significantly bigger and heavier than the same for 2/3″, which was the LC1’s sensor size. Actually, it would need to be significantly bulkier than even the existing 24-80mm (equiv.) f/2.8 M.Zuiko.

      1. No it wouldn’t. The Canon G1Xii has a 24-120mm 2.0-3.9 lens on a sensor slightly larger than m4/3, and powered off it’s about the size of one of the m4/3 pancakes. Non-interchangeable lenses can be a good deal smaller.

        1. Yes, to some amount they can, since the rear lens can virtually touch the sensor, while the interchangeable lens camera, even if mirrorless, needs some space between sensor and mount, making retrofocal designs more complex. But the Canon G1Xii does not exactly prove your point, though, as its size-defining aperture, which is the one at the long end of the focal length range, is just f/3.9, which is nothing to write home about.

  12. I’m over zooms, I wanted a fixed prime. Actually I still want the rumoured fixed prime medium format that Fuji are rumoured to be doing. šŸ™‚

  13. EVF?
    Weather sealed?
    Could be near perfection if so and it looks like the LC1. But they should remove the front logo and put it on the top plate instead. šŸ˜‰

    Is this Panny’s X Vario? I hope not. The EVF is crucial. The weather sealing is bonus.

  14. Nooooo Zoommmmm šŸ™ Shit! This means slow aperture and a bad image quality.
    A fixed prime 35mm equivalent lens no aha x100 fui

    BAD NEWS

  15. This might be a good camera for those who do not want the option of interchangeable lenses. For me the value is in the lenses not in the bodies, so unless I had money to burn for an extra camera and circumstances in which I did not want to change lenses, I would be leaving it to others. Look forward to the lens specs.

      1. I think the only way this camera does well is if the lens is 24-75 (or greater) and is much faster than the pancake level 3.5-5.6 … like 2-2.8, etc. Otherwise you have Olympus, Panny, Sony, and Samsung that all offer Pancake zooms with 3.5-5.6 …..

        1. the problem is that in the “small” body with 4/3 sensor you don’t put small fast zoom lens but only a fixed fast lens. Consider 12-35 f2.8 is a big lens. My fear of a GM1 kit copy is terrible present.

          1. well, you have the Canon G1x II that has a slightly larger sensor than 4/3, and has a 24-120mm f/2-3.9. So what I’m hoping is that they have a camera about that size (or maybe a touch smaller), with a 24-90mm f/2-2.8. Maybe they have a bump up the tele end a bit to f/3.2?

          2. 24-35 is WAY to specialized, its just not going to happen.
            I definitely agree that it will be a fast lens though. If it were a 3.5-5.6 lens, there would be no point in the camera- people could take their pick of any m4/3 body with kit zoom and be just as well off. Leave the kit on if you want, but have the option to change if you prefer. A fixed kit zoom would be dead on arrival.

          3. Agreed. it has to be at least f/2 on the wide end and hopefully no slower than 2.8 on the tele end… and really, if it’s 24-70mm f/2-f/2.8, I would opt for the RX100 III even with the smaller sensor? For my taste, it would have to be 90MM or greater on the tele end for it to be worth it. 70mm is just not enough for my use. I’m always creeping closer to my subjects at 70mm to get a nice head and shoulders shot, and cropping all the time is not only time consuming, but you lose reduced DOF to more you have to crop, etc. I have the RX100 II right now and 100mm is just enough to not go crazy to get good portraits. Fingers Crossed!!

          4. I hope you realize that the RX100 III also stops at 70mm. That is why some RX100 owners are not upgrading.

          5. Yes, I was just saying that if this new LX1000 stops near 70mm, people would just opt for the RX100 III (assuming it’s smaller in size). I didn’t upgrade from the II to III becuase it’s still nice having 28 at f/1.8 for general use and 100mm on the tele end (even though it’s f/.4.9)

  16. If this lens has a zoom, it will likely either have a very short focal range to manipulate to have f2 in any of the ranges, or the lens will be an f2.8-4 zoom equiv to 24-70. The Canon G1x2 uses a sensor slightly smaller than m43’s, so… whatever lens panny can shoehorn into this, it likely won’t be as fast or as zoomy.

    1. You’re wrong. The sensor in the G1X II is actually slightly larger than a 4/3 sensor. Because of this and also because of the miniaturization skills Panasonic demonstrated in the GM1, I expect the LX1000 to at the very least be as compact as the Canon while having a comparable lens and maybe even an integrated EVF.

      1. I stand corrected. The naming conventions for sensor sizes are confusing the christ out of me. It is a conventional assumption that m43’s is roughly twice the size of a 1″ sensor (and because of this, I assumed it was a 2″ sensor though noone ever calls it that). So I looked at the Canon’s specs and it said 1.5″ which to me, sounds like its smaller, but then I found the dpreview graphic that shows its size compared to all the other sensor sizes:

        http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x

        In light of my ignorance, I’m pretty hopeful that Panny can put a pretty darned fast lens in this camera now.

        1. 4/3″ (or 1.33″) is smaller than 1.5″. Anyway, twice the size refers to the sensor area, not the diagonal. And the sensor names don’t refer to the true diagonal of the sensor.

      1. I’m hoping for f/2-f/2.8 24-90 like the original LX8 rumor said…. and no larger than the G1x II…if so… that might do the trick for me! I have a RX100 II. but I’m willing to give up the small size for more subject isolation at the tele end.

        1. That was what made the 120mm f3.9 end of the Canon appealing to me. The rx100s are limited in this way. Even though the new rx100ii has f2.8 it only goes to 70mm, so it isn’t all that much better at isolation than the old model at 100mm 4.9.
          90mm f2.8 on a 4/3 sensor is fine. I like the 1.8 on my 45mm sometimes, but others I need to stop down or be very careful with the DOF. The rumored specs would be enough for me.

          1. Totally Agree. I’m *still* tempted by the G1x II for that reason… to have 120mm with f/7.4 full frame equiv. DOF is pretty sweet.

        2. what LX8 Rumor? I have not seen any of those.

          I thought Panny was going to opt for the GM series and GH series and I guess introduce this new non-micro 4/3rds camera.

        1. Meh 24mm equiv is more than wide enough for MOST applications, and where it isn’t just take two quick photos and stitch using ICE. I don’t think 35mm is quite long enough. Should go to at least 50mm equiv., then it could at least be sort of used for portraits as well without too much facial distortion.

          1. ah, in 35mm-equivalent terms yes I agree, 24 is wide enough and 35 not enough

            my benchmark is the Panny 20mm – a range from a bit wider to a bit longer than that is ideal to me

    2. A zoom starting at 21mm equ. would be something really new and challenging compared to RX100 mk3 or G1X mk2…

  17. It’s gotta have a Fixed Prime (25mm/20mm pancake), the size of a GX1 with a corner EVF, IBIS from the GX7 and under $600.00.

    I would then sell all of my M43 gear and lenses.

    This would be a nice compliment to my Fuji kit.

    1. This would be a very neat little pocket camera, but $600 is pushing it. Probably $799 would be reasonable if you consider the prices of the likes of the A, GR, X100, etc…
      I’m starting to think Olympus may really release a digital Trip along these lines after all. If it is indeed a 4/3 sensor and a 35mm 1.8, it would be very interesting assuming its small enough.

      1. Well it has to undercut the Fujifilm X100S by a good margin. $799 would be pushing toward shelling out a little extra and getting a X100S. This is a fixed lens we’re talking about, so there is no room for overpricing.

        1. Fuji X100S is $1299. If the $500 difference between a $799 LX1000 and a $1299 X100S is only “a little extra” to you, then salute!

    2. From rumor’s text it is “the new Panasonic LX1000 fixed zoom lens camera” wer’re talking about.
      Don’t know for you, but fixed zoom isn’t really what I would call a “fixed prime”…

      1. DURRRR…. Yes, this is well known.
        HOWEVER, I would hope for a 43 sensor fixed prime camera similar to Fuji’s X100S.
        The way this sounds like is a bridge camera, which I have zero use for. I want a GX1 sized, fixed lens Lumix.

        I forgot to add, That they use a new 12mp sensor, for better low light capability.

    3. GX7 doesn’t have IBIS, thats a specific implementation by Olympus and is reported to be quite better than in-body stabilisation from Panasonic…

      1. IBIS is just short for ‘in-body image stabilisation’, it’s not a trademark or name invented by Olympus. I don’t think Olympus even use that acronym themselves.

    4. MrALLCRAP = CRAP. Another worthless comment from the resident cheapskate. Yep, give him everything but keep it under $600. Delusional.

      1. Please tell me you’re 13 years old… Please! Because if you’re an adult with these lame attacks of yours, it’s really Pathetic. Resident Cheapskate? Where’d you find that one?

        My Gosh, I hope you’re young… any older would be just…. Sorry.

        What’s next, a “AllCRAP” witty reply, Hm?

  18. Bigger sensor is good but Lens is much more important to be honest
    e.g. RX100 series they all have Zeiss lens with excellent sharpness

    Panasonic should definitely stick with Leica. A 180 degrees touchscreen is definitely a plus over RX100. Am I asking too much?

    1. Not at all, Panaleica make some excellent glass. I just don’t know if it’s supposed to be a high end offering or if they’re trying to hit some lower price point.

  19. No, Panasonic, this sensor is too small to make good photos. Please give us a tiny, pocketable medium format camera (not bigger than GM1), with bright and long zoom lens. And not too expensive (at most 3–400 EUR)!

  20. If it’s gonna be a zoom and not a prime 24-85 f2.8 would make it a hot seller. But seeing as the 12-35 f2.8 costs a grand that’s not gonna happen. They’re not gonna put a lens on this that is better than that. But maybe f2.8-4 for a compromise? Honestly, I’d still probably go for it with that lens if the price is under a grand. You’d have a versatile range with that lens that covers most of your bases, unless you’re a birder or something like that. I wouldn’t need another lens.

  21. I really hope this camera has great stabilization, to help with video. Maybe a combination of optical and digital? The lens is what will make or break this camera.

  22. Hopefully it will have:
    12-35 focal length (not worried about the max. aperture) that was excellent in sharpness.
    ETC
    IBIS/OIS
    EVF
    Articulated Screen
    16MP
    Built-In Flash

    Basically a GX7 with a quality fixed zoom lens and I’d be very very happy.

    1. Totally agree – I do expect that Panasonic will make it a bit smaller – they where able to cram a lot of stuff and a m43 sensor in the GM1 – but to fit a EVF and the lens I expect it to be larger then the GM1 – which is fine with me – so I expect a body similar to LX7 and Fuji X20 – the RX100m3 is a killer little camera – I do have the RX100 – but I would opt for the LX1000 rather then upgrading my RX100 to M3 – love my GX7’s – menu system and Touch LCD etc – which Fuji and Sony do not believe in – I guess their theory is that the purists will not like it – but there could be an option to just turn of Touch –
      I do have the Fuji X100s and X20 and NEX5n and NEX7 but no comparison with the GX7 as fun to use – the GX7 and GH3/4 are just fun to use

  23. Prediction:

    Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX1000

    Leica DC VARIO-SUMMILUX 24-90mm F2.8-4.0

    Power O.I.S.

    16 MPs

    articulated touchscreen

    4k 30/24fps

    FHD 120fps

      1. Actually i hope it will at least be 12-50mm f3.5-5.6 and nkt a prime fixed lens
        It is their first fixed lens camera so any exotic zoom lens would be a huge mirracle.

        1. Panasonic has made dozens of fixed lens small sensor cameras with great lenses, and dozens of great lenses for 4/3 sensors. Combining that know-how seems pretty likely.

    1. I hope it’s a bit faster…. f/2.8-4 would not do it for me at the RX100 has f/1.8 on the 1″ sensor, and Canon has f/2 on the 1.5″ sensor…. 2.8 is just too slow for me to jump. That being said… I think Panny knows this and they will have f/2 on the wide end.

      1. I suspect something similar to the FZ1000 – but I sure hope a F2.0-F2.8 – but suspect F2.8-4.0

  24. In some ways it would make more sense to see this LX1000 as a GM1 successor and then actually have a GX7 successor, this way the LX1000 could have a small range zoom and keep it very compact, whereas the one that is said to be an GM1 with EVF, could simply be a GX8.

  25. I’m wondering if it will use a crop of the sensor and have multi-aspect (like LX7). That would be the only way to keep the camera somewhat pocketable, considering the lens will probably be fast-ish.

  26. Curious that Panny should use such similar names but with different sensor sizes: the FX1000 with a type 1 inch sensor and the LX1000 with type 4/3 inch sensor.

    It’s called parallel placement in marketing. Similar but different. You don’t do parallel placement with a truck and a sports car.

    If the name is right I suspect the LX1000 is going to use the type 1 inch sensor and have bright a 3x or 4x zoom (i.e. it is the LX7 replacement).

    In the odd case that Panny is following the Leica Vario X model (large sensor with fixed zoom lens) then in that case it won’t be a fast/constant zoom: it will be just too big. As others have said look at the Canon G1X Mark 1 or Mark 2.

    I guess we’ll see …

    1. Sensor size from their top bridge camera has been different from their top compact before (FZ200 vs LX7 – 1/2.3″ vs 1/1.7″) so I don’t see a problem here.
      I think G1XII’s size is ok – just imagine it not using the crappy Canon sensor but the GH4 sensor šŸ™‚

      1. I think you miss my point. Those two different sensor size cameras have very different names.

        Using parallel names makes an implication that they’re the “same” in some way.

        Regardless there is no free lunch: it’s the same sensor size/lens aperture trade-off everyone has to make.

    2. The ‘1000’ in the model names implies that the sensor is larger than usual for that type of camera, which is true in both cases. It does not imply that the sensor size is the same in both. You can find many examples of similar parallel naming schemes in the camera world, often with different sensor sizes involved. I don’t think this has confused many people, because most people don’t expect the model name to be correlated to the sensor size.

    1. There’s no confusion. The camera has a fixed lens (as opposed to interchangeable lenses), and that lens is a zoom lens (as opposed to a fixed focal length lens). The sensor in the camera is a 4/3″, the same size as in the MFT and FT interchangeable lens cameras. I don’t see what’s so confusing.

  27. I for see either one or these 2….
    A camera with multi aspect 12MP MFT (16mp) sensor. Constant f2.8 24-90/100

    Or a 22MP 1 inch non multi aspect sensor with a 24-90/100 f2.8 constant lens.

    One or the other I think. I do think it will have a constant 2.8 aperture though.
    They know people love the 24-90 range. Lx5 and lx7 have it. I don’t see them going backwards with that.
    DFD of coarse….and of coarse 4k same EVF as the fx1000. Priced $100 below the sony rx100v3

    1. I think the 1inch with a 22mp multi aspect sensor could also be extremy likely as well. It would of coarse make a lens a tad smaller…but it would decrease the overall sensor size being used. Making it closer to 2/3
      With the multi aspect on the lx7 in reality…. The sensor size is 1/2.0. Sure the entire area of the sensor is 1/1.7 but its not what’s being used….

  28. Think your confusing the LX1000 with the GM2. The LX1000 is a fixed zoom with a 4/3 sensor, not a MFT mount.

    Given the specs including larger sensor, it should be more expensive than the RX100 M3.

  29. 24-70 field of view would be great but I think I might even prefer something wider, even at the expensive of the long end. Ultra wide. Not mainstream and not likely, but useful

  30. I highly doubt the 4K part. Nice to see Panasonic basically release a Canon G1X, just with a smaller horseshit sensor

  31. My wish for this camera: 12-100mm f/2.8 (constant aperture). 5-axis IBIS. Full sensor read-out on video. Headphone and microphone jack. Weather-sealed. No 4K. I don’t care about the size and price.

  32. My wish: less zoom range and wider aperture. A 14-30mm zoom with f/2.4 or even f/2.0. This would probably be doable as the lens would be customized for the camera. Look at how tiny the 23mm f/2.0 on the X100 is.

  33. Usability never makes the specs, but it is by far the main selling point for cameras. Toys have different selling points, which can be broken down into numbers and acronyms, such as “4K”, or “16 MP” or the amount of art filters. The buyers don’t really take pictures anyway.
    Panasonic will never get out of their unprofitable hole as long as they don’t understand this. This thing may well be yet another hoover with a sensor and a cheap lens, as far as I know.

  34. Is the LX1000 the successor to the LX7, i.e. is it the ‘LX8’? Or will there be two cameras? The earlier rumors made it seem like the fixed-lens 4/3 camera and the LX8 were two different cameras.

  35. If this is well made, it will make m43 unnecessary. If not, it will be another hoover with sensor. It is a tough choice for the manufacturer, but sooner or later they had to come to it.

  36. ”
    (FT5) Panasonic LX100 with 4/3 sensor and fixed zoom lens to be announced within the next 5-6 days.”

    OK, 6 days passed – where is it? šŸ˜‰

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