Here are some more new images of the Black Olympus E-M5II and 14-150mmII lens that will be announced next week on February 5th at 5-6 am London time (follow the liveblogging on 43rumors!). And Digicameinfo also got the pricing info in pounds:
– E-M5II body: 900 £
– E-M5II + 12-50mm kit: 1100 £
– E-M5II + 14-150mm kit: 1250 £
– E-M5II + 12-40mm Pro Kit: 1500 £
– Grip HLD-8 (HLD-8G & HLD-6P): 200 £
– Grip HLD-8G: 130 £
– Flash FL-LM3: 70 £
– 14-150mm F4-5.6 II: 550 £
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Specs known so far:
Same E-M5 16MP sensor
Same E-M1 electronic viewfinder.
Update processor (improves slightly the IQ)
No PDAF
New sensor shift shooting that allows to combine 8 pictures in one to create a 40 Megapixel image
Improved 5 axis stabilization
It does have clean hdmi-out
all common frame rates and video optimized af-algorithm.
50Mb/s all 1080p (no 4K recording)
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For us Americans, 900 £ = $1,366.51 (as of 2015-01-27)
Yikes…I was hoping this thing would be under $1,000 :/
I don’t think they’re going to move many units at that price…I’ll just wait 6 months and get it for about $800 🙂
But electronics cost at least 20% less in the US.
The E-M1 had a launch price of £1,299.99 in UK and $1,399.00 in US. So there’s a good chance it’ll be more like $999 in the US.
So the body will cost about 1,100 USD, I reckon.
So this is the new flagship model then? If the specs are as rumoured then this is £1 more than the current selling price of the e-m1… I had assumed £699 our maybe £749 for body only. The optimist in me assumes this means there are more amazing features we don’t know about yet.
If you want to call it a ‘flagship’ & it makes you feel better, then fine, but the E-M1 is still above it as the ‘Pro’ model. The E-M1 Mk2 will likely follow later (maybe next year) & it will likely have even more advances.
To be fair the specs are better than the em1.
Except probably when it comes to AF! This might be a dealbreaker for me since I’m going to m43 when the 300 f4 is available.
This camera looks just wonderful. The only way it could be ruined for me is if there isn’t a mic input. There had better be. No accessory port means the SEMA-1 is a no-go either, and if Olympus was gracious enough to care enough about video to have an articulated screen and an improved codec, there better be a mic input.
Why is a SEMA a no go? I still see the accessory port in the photo?
Ok I see it doesn’t now. I will actually miss the sema, having a front compact stereo mic was great.
Perhaps the flash sync port isn’t for flash at all 😉 ? Doesn’t seem to have a flash icon in the cap and e-m5 didn’t have it at all.
I agree, I’m so excited by this camera from a video perspective, mainly because of the Olympus EVF and IBIS and those dials and switches. I have everything crossed for mic input too and then I will be happy to pay the asking price.
Maybe the HDMI & USB/Multi connector is still on the left & quite likely there will be a mic input too, because I would be very surprised if it doesn’t since the accessory port is now gone, but we shall see.
Looking good. It will be quite competitive at this price. Two groups which may be particularly interested are outdoor-type shooters and video enthusiasts. Pixel peepers will pass.
You must be joking. The em1 costs the same by now. The Sony a7 is also the same. So is the xt1. I repeat myself from another post: at the price of the mark 1 at launch the mark 2 well not sell anywhere near the same amount. The market has changed. I really do fear olympus and panasonic are killing their system by asking ridiculous process for their cameras!
It will be priced the same as Mk1: $1000. British prices include VAT plus some arbitrage. I agree it will sell much less though. The whole camera market has shrunk considerably since 2012.
$1399 usd! lol. That’s $1000 up charge over the mk1 for an articulating high res lcd.
GX7 stays
UK pricing does not equate to US pricing by straight currency exchange. Olympus prices products cheaper for North America. 900 pounds hints about $1100 or less in America.
And there is the tax thing. UK pricing includes tax, US prices don’t.
$1100 is still a whopping premium to pay over the mk1. With a sensor upgrade, yes totally worth it. But this is essentially a new case. Apple and Samsung would be laughed into irrelevency if they tried this with one of their upgrades.
There seems to be a button on top of the rear control dial. Does anyone know what it’s likely to do? It’s far bigger than the button on the mode dial that is presumably a locking button…
Hmm, interesting. I hope it’s not a dual shutter button like the GF7 😉
It’s not a button, check the e-m1 from above, it’s a cover plate/cap on the wheel.
Ah, thanks molo
I really do like the look of it and most of the features. I would prefer a tilting screen as I’m not shooting video and it’s just simpler to use. I’m very excited to see how it performs especially the high resolution feature.
Will I buy it? No. I’m mostly very happy with my E-M5 and I can’t afford it anyway.
If it had a GPS I would die for it so I guess I’m lucky…maybe in a couple of years when the price is right and I have more money.
If I haven’t switched to GX8 by that time…
I never understood the need for gps in camera? Increases price, adds weight and takes up space inside the camera. And it doesn’t improve the pictures at all, better of using a phone connected with wifi and using it’s gps.
You could say the same about Wifi or any other feature that is not directly a part of the photo-taking process. The reason to want GPS in the camera is convenience: No need to sync camera and phone after you took the photos. No need to buy a second phone at much cost. Why second phone? Most phones do not allow you to replace the battery and as it can be challenging enough to make the battery last a full day without GPS the only way this would work for me is with a second phone or an external phone charger. Much more convenient an cheaper to have GPS in camera and take a spare battery for the camera. Also, considering GPS is in cheap and small mobile phones I am not sure the weight and space is an issue.
Well wifi makes remote shooting possible from a distance, so it has advantages. But if there was e-m1 without wifi 150€ cheaper I would get that. Gps just let’s you know where you got the pic.
Exactly.
You must have an iPhone
😉
If you never understood the idea with storing one of the most basic metadata for a photo, that’s fine. But I would think you appreciate knowing when a picture was taken? What exposure you used? Maybe what lens as well? For me who travel a lot, are out in the bush for many days on end, who don’t use a smartphone that need to be charged everyday anyway, it is VERY useful. I have old SMALL p&s that has it, works great, doesn’t use too much battery. Every modern phone has it. Are they too big you recon? No. If you don’t need it, turn it off you will never know it’s there, it SO small. It’s for the most BASIC meta data. You know…when, where and how. I think it’s amazing it’s not standard by now.
“I never understood the need for gps in camera? Increases price, adds weight and takes up space inside the camera. And it doesn’t improve the pictures at all, better of using a phone connected with wifi and using it’s gps.”
And if it isn’t turned off & photos are taken around home & posted on the net (with EXIF intact), it could lead would be thieves to its location. 😉
LOL
You clearly don’t return to places to get better photo.
You don’t clearly sell your photos as buyers usually requires the metadata to tell from where it was taken.
You clearly don’t do documentary, as years to come it is easy to show a map and where each photo was taken (was it that street or what city, what forest?).
A GPS makes finding photos SO MUCH EASIER.
When you have hundreds of thousand photos (bad ones thrown away of course) it becomes more challenging to find the wanted photo.
When you can filter photos by time (season, month, week, weekday, hour), by location (area on map, around point etc), by content (it did have a red bus on left side of the frame, a four persons were on that photo) and then you start noticing how powerful it is to have a GPS metadata in the image.
As you can find a photo in a couple seconds just by location data if you have not been there more than that one time.
You can just look map and it places photos over the map and closer you zoom and more you see where each photo was taken. And if the GPS module for camera has a compas, you can even see to what direction it was taken.
A GPS unit can run from single AA battery few months, it isn’t power drainage if it is well made. As GPS is actually just a couple units, a antenna, very accurate clock, small memory and a power source.
I would gladly buy a Olympus GPS unit that gets mounted on hotshoe and feeds data trough AP2. It would stick there most of the time. But bad side is that when I need to mount radio trigger it would be impossible to use it, unless it would have a own hotshoe top of it (nice combo) Why built in is much better option as you can just switch it off if not needed.
And is it expensive? Like 4-5 dollars and you would have so accurate fast GPS locator that gets its position in couple seconds and is to 1-2 meters.
Is it bigger than EM5? Hope not.
It is a little wider, but not as much as the E-M1, it is also shorter – going by overlaying images of the new over the old
How does one shoot an image like the pic on the lcd? Its a composite? I mean ok long shutter n high iso , but then the silouhette wont b sharp coz the subject is going to move…
It’s just a render.
In real life you could expose for the background, light the subject with flash enough to expose the foreground the way you want. No composite needed.
At this price, I definitely want to see a clear improvement in the sensor than the 3-year-old E-M5. No new senso, no buy.
What’s wrong with the current sensor? Is it broken? Is it bad?
The last price for E-M5 was about 599$. What’s the point in this camera for 900 £ (1300$?)? Double price for mythic sensor shift (which could be achieved by panoramic shooting or statistical scripts), second display axis and 5$ HDMI-out? Really???
Better EFV… better IBIS
The e-m1 Evf really is from another world compared to the one on the old e-m5
It´s the exact same price of the E-M5. Why should it´s successor be cheaper? (and yes, the price is too high for what it is)
The answer to your question is – Time, 3 years in time. After 3 years, the E-M5 can be had for $400 with the right deal now. 3 years ago, the E-M5 was beating all other mirrorless cameras with its unique features and IQ at that time – weatherproofing, the highest DR, the amazing 5-axis IBIS, the high frame rate. So, it was worth buying at that $1100 or so price. Now, this E-M5 II, without the 40MP still life capability, is just another high-end mirrorless camera. Other cameras from Fuji and Sony, and Samsung too, have caught up. It may have a bigger EVF, but what else is so special or competitive. Why should another also-run cost as much as that truly innovative E-M5 3 years ago?
You mean “exact same price as the E-M5 THREE YEARS AGO”? Price for E-M5 in December was the same as E-M10.
Also you can buy new E-M5 right now for 599$ on amazon.
Yes you can get the same result with image when using telephoto lens and then panning view taking multiple shots and then later stiching them to one huge image.
But you need tripod for that, you need a telephoto (or normal depending subject size) lens and then much more time to capture photo and edit the photo.
Huh, are you sure that you don’t need tripod and studio set for this sensor-shift technology? Yes, with built-in stabilization you can do multiple shots from at least the same point, but wait… subpixel accuracy in hands? Moving grass/hairs/leaves/etc? No way!
With tripod you can stich panorama after and remove all ghosts and artifacts or do multiple shots (for astronomy or some special purposes) to decrease noise level / increase image resolution.
Anyway, these options have VERY limited use.
Yun, is that you?
The LM3 flash isn’t included, like the LM2 in the E-M5?
The E-M5II seems to be equipped with a 2-axis swivel mechanism for the display (sidewards + up-and-down). So it will offer “selfie” shooting functionality as the E-PL7 does.
What exactly do you mean? That you don’t have to swivel it outwards first? If so, you could use it as the current one? That would be really great imo. Can’t really see it tilt up for selfies though due to the eye piece.
It looks like it works so that if you want to raise camera above you or lower it below you then you need first to flip screen to the left 180 degrees and then you rotate the screen up/down as you need.
So you have always a screen opened to side if you want to hold camera up or down from your eye level.
It is like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422327029&v=z0RjVxWfYHI&x-yt-cl=84838260&feature=player_detailpage#t=18
It is terrible for macro photography, for landscapes, for product photography, for handheld videography, street photography and even for just viewing the photos. It doesn’t either work if you need to raise camera above you or below you because your left hand can’t get good grip from the left side of the body or the lens as the screen is blocking hand.
It is far more fragile to break down because cables need to go trough rotations.
It gets easily bumped against something in growd etc.
If Olympus would have made something well in that, it would not followed Panasonic fans wishes but would have done what Sony did with SLT-77:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&x-yt-cl=84838260&v=jrt1dHsiedY&x-yt-ts=1422327029#t=602
Ah, ok. That’s what I don’t want. I want the old tilt only…
Are you sure this is in pounds? It is very expensive.
The Lumix GH4 body alone costs more than 1000 UK pounds, which could be explained by the 4K capabilities and extensive video features. 900 pounds was what I expected. If you guys are in the US then relax, VAT is much lower for you guys and you might pay almost a quarter less for the same thing.
Oh, and by quarter I mean 1/4th of the price, not “a quarter” LOL.
“a quarter less” = 1/4 less == 3/4 of what others are paying
“four times less” = x / 4 == 1/4 of what others are paying
“four times more” = x * 4 == others paying 4x more
It is interesting how such things needs to be confirmed so people don’t make mistakes like:
“a quarter less” != 1/4 what others are paying
“four times less” != 4*-x+x
“four times more” != x+4*x
ah yes 1/4th of the price less. I used the word “less” in my first post so, you know… it was implied.
It’s not the 4K video, the GH4 was designed as a stills camera.
What you are paying for is the high speed quad processor and a very full set of functions on a very competent professional level camera.
Suggest you use a GH4 alongside an E-M1 and maybe a Canonikon or two. I know which I prefer.
I use a GH4 alongside a GM1.
I don’t believe the GH4 is that much better than the E-M1 when it comes to stills, as a matter of fact several tests claim the E-M1 takes ever so slightly better stills.
The only reason the processor in the GH4 is so powerful is because it has to handle 4K video, it’s not really needed for 16 megapixel stills, but since they stuff that processor in there I’m sure they’re exploiting it for stills in some way after all. So I stand by my claim that all the video features in the GH4 are responsible for the extra price.
1399€ for a new body a expensive? HAH!
Wait 6 months and you can get it for 1199€
Wait 12 months and you can get it for 1099€
Do you need 40Mpix shift sensor for product, macro and landscape photography? If yes then you have money as you get well paid from your photography.
Do you want 40Mpix shift sensor? Then if your job doesn’t pay enough, you don’t have money to invet to your hobby so don’t get it!
It is so simple.
I would buy the E-M5 II body if it would have the E-M1 LCD articulation. But with that screen turning it is no-go as I don’t shoot videos of skateboarding kids. I need a working LCD that turns up and down and stay behind the camera so it is ergonomic and functional. Not a wannabe videocamera style what some kids wish every camera would have.
The fully articulating screen is only for grown ups.
It provides side view which can be very important when using a tripod.
It flips shut which stops touch screen errors and protects it, very important
Shutting the monitor allows you to use the EVF better.
It should be OLED, LCD is so last year.
… and we all have managed to scratch our camera’s LCDs before this new revolutionary articulating screen, right? Totally useless. You’re doing something wrong if you need extra protection to your LCD.
Wow, at that price I’ll pass. Should’ve been 750 euros or thereabouts. Doubt they’ll sell many of these.
I love the HDR button but on the other hand I am way too happy with my E-M10 already. No need to upgrade. Only a sensorwith at least 1 EV more dynamic range would be of interest.
Silver version is way better IMO.
And obviously, it seems overpriced.
So someone at Olympus finally decided that it really makes no sense trying to sell a 14-150 super-zoom lens at the price of Panasonic FZ1000 camera. Good for them, but that’s still a bit pricey. With the lens alone at £ 550, it still makes more sense to shell out those extra £ 100 for FZ1000 or RX10.
As for the E-M5II price, as expected, it sits nicely between E-M10 and E-M1.
I bought my EM5 for £560 new body; maybe this is inflation? or just wishful thinking:)
You can get A6000 and GX7 now for less than £425 so you really have to want it at £900 body only.
EM5 in 2013 that was £560
I think that the real problem is this price is too close to Sony’s A7, while size is similar, one is FF the other half frame. Mind, the latter could be an advantage in many situations, but does it warrant the same price? See here my blog:
http://amalric2014.blogspot.it/2015/01/the-dilemma.html
It is one quarter frame, not half frame, and smaller sensors carry no advantages except manufacturing price.
Yes, it does. Smaller sensor means smaller lenses and an overall much smaller and lighter system. Sometimes this is more important then the absolute best IQ. But I guess you already knew that and just wanted to be annoying.
The best M43 are now beating most DSLR on IQ.
The 13EV dynamic range places them amongst the full frame rather than APS-C cameras.
M43 function better in low light than any DSLR, the DXO test is just plain wrong and biases result in favour of larger sensor (it factors in sensor size)
Unless you print bigger than poster size you won’t see a difference between 16MP and 24MP
Well, I beg to differ. I have my EM-5 and I love it and use it for most of my shooting, and it works great. But the noise levels at 1600 and up can not compete with my Nikon D810 (and actually at lover Isos as well). There is not even a competition. So for work I do in dark places, like concerts and theater photography, I still use my D810 a lot, but for most other applications, I use my EM-5 (even though I am a bit annoyed at the noise that is visible even at 200 ISO). So, I guess we could close all discussions by saying m43 is great for a lot of things, but not as good as a D810 for all things. But usually more then good enough 🙂
You are an imbecile, as we already ascertained.
Especially in low light situations with moving objects like streets and such, there is no big difference.
Smaller Sensor means 4 times shorter exposure time for a picture with equivalent focal length, DOF and the same ISO. With FF you get motion blur or less DOF. You need to go two steps up with the ISO to get a fully equivalent picture on full frame. If the FF sensor is doing what he is supposed to do, you can go 2 steps up with the ISO but you loose the advantage of the better IQ. .
In low light without moving objects, you don’t need the ultra high ISO-values.
Yes, and with static objects and a tripod you don’t need anything but lowest ISO. Problem is, the world often has moving objects on it 😉
If you have moving objects in low light and you want shallow DOF, you still can use a m43 lens which is two steps faster. In this case you loose the advantage in size but you are again on the same page.
With a speedbooster (two steps are only available for cameras without mechanical shutter), you can use any FF Lens from Nikon to concentrate the light on m43 producing a fully equivalent picture. You get the same focal length, same DOF and same exposure time with two steps lower ISO.
Most tests are comparing not moving objects and pictures with the same ISO. In my opinion, talking about equivalence needs to take all four variables into account (focal length, DOF, time, ISO).
Low light with moving objects is the death of m43.
Good ligh with static subjects (ie studio, brick walls, statues, sleepy cats) is where m43 can hide its crappiness.
Do the math
Like I said before, there is a big pack of people who shoot black cats at night.
It’s 1:3.84 not a quarter not that it matters but the format is traditionally called “half frame” since it used half the frame of a 35mm negative, 72 shots off a 36 shot roll.
It’s 17.3x13mm, which gives 1:4.0 for area, and “half frame”, the format the Olympus Pen F used, was 18×24 – the half of 24×36.
exactly the em-10 should be priced around 500 usd and em-5 ii not more than 800 usd body only. There are competitive larger sensor camera systems in this price range and Olympus can strike only with competitive pricing and loads of value adding features
The 4/3 sensor format is called “half frame” in film-speak
The area ratio is 1:3.84
But the 4/3 format is like cropping the middle out of a 62MP full frame (which don’t exist)
The 35mm is a compact film format, given that real full frame is 10-in x 14-in there’s not a lot of difference in size between 35mm and 4/3
The technology costs the same if the M43 doesn’t cost more, so why should you expect a larger sensor camera to cost more.
I agree with you on that. Explain that to a layman customer who always been taught, bigger sensors means better image quality, better high iso performance and shallow DOF. M43 is the only system with Pana 35-100 f2.8 lens which you can shoot single handedly and seems perfect handling and its unique features and portablilty. When an average customer ask his friend for advice on new camera his suggestion is always a DSLR and even if the customer researches himself and find a camera like E-M5 II attractive by its lens range and portable nature, he is let down by internet gurus on M43 weaknesses and its smaller sensor size propaganda and obviously the price of more than 1000 usd. Market is not the same when Mark 1 was released when it was a unique camera.
The whole M43 system’s prices have to be lowered to compete just to compete in the above context and also when you have serious contenders like the blazing A6000, Gx7, D5300, d7100,70d, K-3, A77II, X-T1, A7,EM10 as well
But that’s what, both in theory and practice, they almost always do, as long as the size difference is significant enough. The size difference between 4/3 and APS-C isn’t always, whereas the difference between 4/3 and FF clearly is.
Yes, but with a comparable FF camera you would only need a 70-200 f/5.6 to achieve the same.
I would be very interested to see A3 prints from an E-M5 with 12-40/2.8 and a Nikon D810 with an equivalent lens, where the shots were of the same subject and composition. Provided the lighting conditions were not ludicrously low, I suspect there would not be much difference.
Well, that’s what I mention in my blog, by showing two same samples, different cameras at ISO 100. I think that m4/3 is an eminently practical format, but nonetheless people will compare prices with Sony FF, and complain.
IF so introduction price won’t stand v. long. I wouldn’t be a guinea pig anymore. I am still v. happy with my 2nd hand E-M5 anyway.
One funny thing is people usually don’t compare “FF” with medium format… If they were really hardcore about sensor size, you know.
Pentax Q telezoom 15-45/2.8 is even more portable!
Yeah, laymen advocate large sensors, while “experts” suggest buying tiny ones. This is the magic of the internet: worse is better! Imbecile.
Size of the camera body alone means little. It is the size of the system that counts. Ok, you have 1 or 2 primes for the A7 that are similar, but most of the lenses are huge, compared to m43. The size of the lenses is one of m43-systems best thing, and the thing that makes me take my camera with me almost where ever I go. I never did that with my bigger DSLR. But I admit I don’t need the camera with the most pixels or best quality at night, more important for me is that I choose to take my camera with me when I am out and about.
Note that you can buy a used version for 300 or 400 Pounds, with a lens. The price of a new Nikon D3200, by the way, which is a better camera in a better system.
Nikon D3200 can only compete with Panasonic GM1 or Olympus EPL-6. Half the size and weight with negligible difference in IQ.
Don’t be silly, the D3200 is a £250 cheapo consumer cam but even a full frame Nikon cannot do half the stuff an M43 can do now.
Sure, and pigs can fly.
Don’t jump!
That’s why you’re here.
Nah, I’ll be waiting for a gunmetal gray version (a la OM-3Ti) as a collector’s item, not as a tool.
Get a 3Ti then. Thanks to Moore’s law, I don’t think digital cameras are very collectible – reaches over and strokes his OM4-Ti black
Already have a freshly rebuilt one, my precious – reaches over and turns that sexy shutter speed ring.
What, this isn’t an OM-porn forum ?
Sincerely hope the pricing is incorrect.
Existing m4/3 users will not upgrade from E-M5 at this price.
New users to m4/3 will not change camera system at this price and the lack of new sensor.
Not sure what is (will) be the unique selling point considering the high price and lack of technology updates (upgrades) from previous generation E-M5 which is now offered at very good prices.
Seems like a hard sell @ $1300+ when the Olympus “flag ship” E-M1 is now available at $999.
What are you talking about? Official E-M1 price is £ 1100, so it’s £ 200 more than the rumored E-M5II price. And it makes perfect sense that the E-M5 successor is priced between E-M10 and E-M1. The street prices are another thing, E-M1 had some time to settle down and you can get it for less than the official price. And I expect the same to happen with new E-M5.
I was referring to this: http://www.43rumors.com/still-a-few-in-stock-e-m1-for-999/
If one really wanted or needed to get a new Olympus camera the E-M1 @ $999. would seem to be a better bargain.
Yeah, but you do realize we’re talking pounds here (£) and UK, not dollars ($) and US? In UK, the E-M1 deals are £900 pounds, not pound equivalent of $999, which would be £650.
Unfortunately, the prices across different regions just don’t convert so straightforwardly as you think.
I see your point. However, for U.S. buyers if the E-M5II were to be priced @ $1300. or more I would prefer the E-M1.
I have a perfect E-M5 with only 900 shutter activations and would have a tough time justifying either purchase.
Yeah, sure, that would be way too much. But the thing is, it won’t be priced at $1300 in US. And we know that, because the price in UK is £900. Not £1300, not even £1200. It’s £900. Another hint is that the original E-M5 was not $1300 for a body at launch.
So in US, it will be in the 899-999 range ($999 being more likely). That’s assuming the rumored UK price is correct of course.
Pricing is shown in Pounds Sterling (GBP) not dollars so although £900 is $1300 you generally get to pay dollars for pounds even though the camera is made by a japanese company in the far east so import costs and taxation much the same. Never understood that especially as Europe is a bigger market than America.
It’s because USA prices exclude sales tax and EU includes VAT.
In addition Europe has better employee protection, welfare etc which means higher costs for employers. Typically it costs about 50% on top of wages to employ someone. And the people employed in the supply chain to get the camera on the shelf.
Finally, overheads like property prices, taxes,,rents, energy costs are generally bigger which means the cost of running a business is greater and margins also have to be higher.
Obviously places like New York will have high overheads as well (though lower employee costs) but sales volumes will offset that to some extent.
Olympus have to take the sensors Sony give them.
If Sony don’t have a new sensor, Olympus don’t get a new one.
The switch from the Panasonic LMOS/NMOS sensors to noisier CMOS was a backwards step but Sony bailed Olympus out, that’s what you get for creative accountancy.
Olympus Press Release, “The Live MOS Sensor offers image quality comparable to an Full Frame Transfer (FFT) CCD sensor with the low power requirements of a CMOS
sensor…”
Why do you need a new sensor? If it ain’t bust don’t fix it.
1. Personally, I’m very satisfied with the images from the E-M1.
2. Still there are valid reasons for wanting more MP and/or better high ISO, and the more so, since the competition offers both (if only slightly better high ISO, as long as we talk about APS-C) for quite some time now.
3. If Sony don’t give Olympus new sensors, Olympus can go to Panasonic, Toshiba or other manufacturers, which, by the way, is what they did for the E-M1 (Panasonic).
4. Just as Kodak FFT wasn’t better than Panasonic LMOS/NMOS in any way, as many people claimed back in the days, Sony CMOS is in no way noisier than Panasonic LMOS/NMOS. Just compare E-M5 (Sony) and E-M1 (Panasonic). The only major difference is that Sony has significantly LESS long-exposure/dark-frame noise, which isn’t too relevant though, as we need to use dark-frame subtraction NR in both cameras.
I have one of each and with a very good lens like 75/1.8 my E-M5 is a tiny bit better than my E-M1if you look at noise at higher ISO
Do you find the E-M5s OLED screen nicer for checking shots?
Yes, the colors are more saturated on the E-M5 screen
That was my impression also but I no longer have mine to compare to. I think they should have used it on all the OM-Ds.
If you look at that, you are on the wrong system. Try something serious.
RAW or JPEG? From the RAWs I’ve seen my impression was that they’re either identical or that the E-M1 is even very slightly better at very high ISO. Not really worth mentioning, but clearly not the other way round.
RAW, I never shoot JPEG.
“Why do you need a new sensor? If it ain’t bust don’t fix it…..”
Good point, however this is the flagship camera to be introduced in 2015 so it must (should) remain competitive until 2018 for Olympus to succeed.
This will be very difficult. E-M5 was (still) a great in 2012, but its sensor will be no match against competition in 2016, 2017 and 2018. Sales will suffer.
“however this is the flagship camera to be introduced in 2015”
Can you please tell me where this camera is being called a ‘flagship camera’? (Keeping in mind there have been no official release details yet)
E-M5 is currently the best selling camera from Olympus (by far).
It made the OMD series to what it is today. Hence flagship status.
Admin is pretty sure about the sensor issue, i.e. no new sensor.
We take his word for it.
You are misusing the term flagship then. The E-M1 is still the flagship in the same way as the Nikon D4S is for that brand, even though it is probably outsold by other models.
Not the same. Nikon has many models and confusing lineup.
Olympus has 3 OMD and one made this brand E-M5.
Flagship is EM1
Olympus is not limited to Sony sensors. Especially, new Samsung one (in NX1) is better
So you didn’t read about the sensor shift?
How could I miss it. It is apparently the only thing new.
The question is that enough new feature to pay 900 GBP for it considering the competitive price for the previous generation E-M5. Is sensor shift sufficient feature to bring in new users and enlarge the m4/3 tent?
HELLO! E-M1 EVF!
OK. EVF and sensor shift….What has the Romans done for us?
And the improved IBIS, and the HDR button, and the vastly improved video quality and the better looks, more buttons, better dials, and I would be surprised if it doesn’t have time lapse, focus peaking, WiFi and stacking.
I said this before, but I think this camera will have improved low light shooting capabilities and that the image on the screen is a teaser pointing at this. The sensor shift will result in lower noise I think.
They don’t care about those things haven’t you noticed that.. Keyword: Sensor.
No we don’t care…..
Unapologetic defender of Olympus are we now.
And the one who wants to pay 0 for a camera.
Well if you insits, why not.
Now as that is not possible I do believe that Olympus should keep its cameras as competitive as possible, either in price or technology.
USP is, allegedly, the rubber eyecup is guaranteed to not fall off the first day of use
Canon used the 18 megapixel sensor for many many generations. .. come on they cant change the sensor every update. Got ta make compromises as a manufacturer.
Olympus is NOT Canon.
Exactly. Olympus is a smaller company (have a smaller image division anyway) thus they do not have the economic muscles to add a new sensor with every update. So actually it is quite sane for them to stay with the same sensor longer then Canon, but even canon, who could change sensor more often, stays with same sensor for a long time…
Nope.
Small compaines must inovate faster than large ones. Remember, Olympus have a difficult time to make a profit in its camera division. They can not afford to slip up.
Olympus doesn’t really care about profit in camera division since their main profit in medical imaging, and photography is just for brand ad
Not sure Olympus shareholders would agree.
The TOTAL return of Olympus stock the last 8 years is 0%.
In a large company you can have a loss leading division for a short while but not for long.
A company like Canon which is making billions in profits yet make sure its camera division is not in the red should give you an indicate how things work in a large multinational company.
Intro pricing is always a bit absurd….I wait 6 months then order from Japan or Korea….I also want full hands on reviews.
Yes, I got my E-M1 at AU$200 cheaper than RRP after six months, plus I got the AU$300 Cash Back too.
much much nicer (esthetics) than the mark I. wished it was 10-20 % bigger, because I think Olympus camera’s are to girly except the em-1
Get a grip, son, get a grip. It’s nothing you can’t handle.
Agree over the improved styling, seems to be looking more and more like the OM film cameras with each new model. If it were 10-20% bigger would be facing Fuji XT1 – not sure m43 would win that fight in most people’s eyes. Surely m43 size is one of its greatest assets? (Even if it sometimes gets called a “girly” camera – is that a criticism or a compliment?)
Noooo I love the Size of the E-M5. The E-M1 is already too close to DSLR size for my taste. 🙂
Price price price… everybody’s complaining and wants it to be free…
It’s priced between E-M1 and E-M10. What did you expect ? If it’s too expensive for you, go and buy an old Praktica ! Or wait for regional conversions before complaining about the price in the US$ or €…
1. If someone wants to pay 900 £ for an E-M5II, no problem, go ahead, I suspect it will be a great camera, except for the missing FT lens support, which is quite stupid if there really is a 40 MP mode but it cannot make proper use of some of the best lenses Olympus has to offer.
2. Question is, will Olympus sell enough cameras at that price point.
3. UK is part of the EU. Straightforward conversions between GBP and EUR are usually not too far off from what will come out as the real price.
4. There are several excellent APS-C and even FF mirrorless cameras available for the same or less. An old Praktica is NOT the alternative.
He has a point though: as always, people here want a m43 product, with qualities of both m43 system and full frame, and want it for free.
LOL!! Yeah really.
So true.
“UK is part of the EU. Straightforward conversions between GBP and EUR are usually not too far off from what will come out as the real price.”
Not true – UK market price for Olympus 40-150/2.8 – £1299 (€1739 equivalent) – available Amazon Spain €1499, Amazon Germany €1399, Amazon Italy €1390, Amazon France €1837(!!) and German supplier to Amazon UK Marketplace £1135 (€1590)
I bought Olympus 40-150mm Pro + TC14 for 1599€ just couple days ago. The lens only would have been 1399€ and the TC14 alone 349€
So 149€ savings to get the combo.
Still cheaper together than getting just the lens from UK.
does anyone from the uk order from amazon Europe without any issues?
£120 difference between uk and Italy prices.
1. Missing FT lenses support : I think most of FT-lenses owners have already chosen to upgrade to an E-M1. especially the ones who own really expensive FT lenses. I don’t think they waited the E-M5II to become their professional-grade camera. Maybe you did ? Then again, if paying a thousand bucks for E-M5II is tto much for their taste, they can purchase a second-hand E-M1, don’t you think ?
2. E-M5 was also “too expensive for what it was”. Still, it’s the best-selling m43 camera to date.
3. see below
4. APS-C, Mirrorless FF… yeah, read it all the time here. APS-C or FF with good glass are also pricey, you have to consider the whole system and your own needs. In my opinion, m43 has probably to date the best balance between quality, size, affordabilty and availability of (good) lenses. It’s always a matter of personal priorities. If you want to go back to APS-C or Mirrorless FF, no problem. But if you already own m43 lenses and want to upgrade from E-PXXX or E-M5, this E-M5II makes perfect sense to me. If everything looks too pricey for you, then, the old Praktica (or Polaroïd, or even a small Ixus) is an alternative. Photography is pricey, and even more when you want quality.
5. Oh, and by the way… E-3, E-5 and E-30 are still making great pictures with FT lenses, at a decent price. If you want the latest techs, then you have to pay. What’s wrong with that ?
I have an E-M5 and I don’t think upgrading makes any sense. I want at least an upgrade in image quality. Maybe the 40mp sensor shift quality is amazing but since 99.9% of my shots are handheld I don’t think I can make great use of that feature.
So what is left to upgrade?
-AF maybe, hopefully. But except for AF-C it is good enough for me already. Something like DOF would be nice
-WiFi, nice to have but doesn’t justify an upgrade for me.
-better EVF, okay that is also nice to have, but the E-M5s isn’t bad either.
-better Video, another point that is nice to have but all together it is just not enough for me.
So I will wait for a new sensor generation, hopefully with electronic global shutter, better high ISO, DR, etc.
Question is : why would you upgrade ? Is it necessary for you to spend money for a new camera body, or does your E-M5 still taking pictures that fits your needs ? It can make no sense for you, and make sense for other people, don’t you think ?
That is basically what I said, for me it makes no sense since E-M5 is still good enough and II is not offering enough for me to justify an upgrade.
If others mostly use a tripod, than the 40mp shift could be very useful for example.
Correct. Some people are never satisfied , It is an afliction to be pitied, and usully suffered by the talentless I fear !
Eh? Where does it say there’s no FT support? Will the MMF-3 not work?
i agree with AFGNCAAP all these price whingers are just being daft . The price will fall in due course like all newly released cameras. If this new model suits your needs now fine, if not wait or buy something else.. The EM5II looks to be a great update to an already succesful camera line from Olympus. Comparing formats and price ratios is a waste of time , take photograghs instead with whatever camera system you prefer , We are actually so spoilt for choice now but stiil some people moan and groan and are never satisfied . I wonder if thse same naysayers ever make any worthwhile images. I have seen some great stuff recently taken with the iPHONE 6 , so the real limitation these days is skill and imagination, something no camea can give you!!
Thanks mate. I also totally agree!
…Or buy a DSLR for 1/3 the price, with better af, better image quality, better everything.
Good for you , choice is great, Can we see your images? I wonder if they are as good as Neil Buchan Grant’s taken with Olympus OM-D cameras BUT with skill and imagination.?.
My pics are better, that bloke is not bad but overrated. It that the best you fangirls can come up with? So sorry LOL.
Seek help before it is too late,.You already appear a couple flash cards short of a full frame brain.
Or buy a point and shoot and learn photography.
Too bad he can’t buy a decent brain instead.
Its price per picture that counts, so a DSLR on the shelf will become expensive nomatter what the asking price.
Yes!!! DSLR is a cheap alternative. Can you imagine why?? Something related with the word ‘obsolete’?
To the ones who want to save money: The ultimate way to save money in photography is to shoot 135 negative films and develop/scan at home. Say, shoot 3 rolls per month, it’s still cheaper than buying a new decent camera every 5 or 6 years. You do like this, and wait until one day an ultimate digital camera come out for you to use for decades with no need of upgrading.
If sensor shift delivers good results, than the price is appropriate for me. Because you also get better video and better EVF. Of course MFT is a high price system. But nobody is forced to buy a MFT cam or lens.
Different kit options – that is good. And no poor man’s 14-42 this time.
Over here, the EM-5 with the 12-40 Pro lens retails for about £1100, the same as the EM55 II kit. The choice for me is between the worse camera w/better glass or the better camera w/worsle glass. Hmmm.
EDIT: At the same time, the EM-5 II Pro kit is only £400 more.
The lack of info regarding audio is annoying. Whatever anyone says this camera interests a lot of video makers because the is no other prosumer camera in existence that has stabilization of this quality. One I hope there is an audio socket and a bonus for me personally would be a new Sema attachment that allows a front stereo mic as well. Perfect for one man doc work. Otherwise I think they have crippled the camera for video so everyone has to get the EM1 MKii.
FAIL.
Once again, Olympus Greed rears it’s ugly head, to feed off its fanbase. This is not a return to greatness, nor profitability. This is Purley Nickel & Diming.
Seriously, y’all can’t deny that there are many better choices in this price range. M43 cannot compete in image quality, but they should in size and price, but they can’t (Olympus) even do that!
I would tell anyone to get a Fujifilm XT1 instead of this. Heck, you can get a XE2 for even cheaper, with a much better kit lens! Sure, it’s not water proof, but I’d rather a camera that I could shoot at Night, than a camera that can shoot in the rain.
And what about a decent AF, Mr.ALLICANDOISTROLLING ?
For that, you have DSLRs starting at 300 GBP. They also have better image quality.
Won’t even waste much time to argue. Stick with your DSLR, then, and take pictures with it, instead of showing your stupidity here…
Truth hurts huh? I was just giving advice, why so angry?
That’s what I did, too.
“Ageless. Faceless. Gender Neutral. Culturally Ambiguous. ”
Self-humiliation is the new black. Does your mom know that?
Self-humiliation ?
Got a problem with my name ?
So sorry for you, guy…
Maybe you could get a life ?
You are right there do seem to be some incredibly odd people posting here, who are haters of Olympus cameras,which begs the question – why are they even commenting on this dedicated 4/3s site?
Beats me. Perhaps they should all check out the work of Neli Buchan Grant and see if their own photography comes anywhere near his standard . Cameras have no imagination/ visual skills , that is down to the user and I will refrain from stating the obvious correlation .
Neli Buchan Grant sucks. Her brother, Neil, is a pretty good photog though!
TYPOS in haste! Sorry , of course I meant NEIL , but I am sure you knew that too.
+1
And for compact size? not just body but hight quality lenses??
FAIL
If you are so crippled that you cannot carry a small DSLR, you must learn to compromise. Tough.
I think you have navigational problem, amonst others, and have posted on the wrong site. Buy and use whatever system floats your boat. Some users here even work multiple systems, ever considered that?
Can we see your work to back up your camera recomendations? A camera is just a tool, it does not make the user a photograher , just as hammer and chisels do not make a carpenter. ANY camera is as good ,or bad, as the person using it The user is the weakest link in the chain – always has been, digital does not change that crucial factor.
More typos/spelling errors in the above copy -apologies again, before anybody wishes to correct me!
I’ve already shown my work, no need to do it again. I don’t have to prove myself. I’ve done paid work, and for me, I know what is the best Compromise between size, and Image quality. It used to be M43, but it’s not anymore.
And you’re right, it DOES depend on the user… However, if I want to shoot street at later hours, it’s difficult with M43. It just is. Raw files have too much noise. -Heck! I have daytime files with noise from M43!
Prove to me otherwise.
Why then, if the M4/3s system is so utterly hopeless to express your talents, do you post these silly negative comments here? Why not post positive comments about whatever systems you like and use on other more the appropriate sites.? You are flogging a dead horse , take more pictures instead.
Who said it’s hopeless?
My complaint is price, size and image quality Compromise. If you find it negative, then maybe you should look in the mirror.
M43 used to be my Primary system, bit no longer, because it’s NOT the best compromise anymore. It has some pros, but when it comes to the end result, which is image quality, it’s not there. Hate sounding like a Broken record, but its subpar to the competition.
M43 had no competition a few years back. Now it has very serious competition and is constantly losing mirrorless marketshare. But if it’s So Great, why the loss?
Because compared to the sony, fuji and Samsung of the world, it’s lacking. The only thing M43 has going for it is size and price, but THAT’S the problem. Larger M43 cameras like the EM1 and expensive (compared to the competition) cameras.
If you’re invested in M43, cool. But if you’re Not, there are Better options than M43. See Sony, Fuji and Samsung.
You are wasting your time on this site.
You started your thread of nonsensical comments by claiming the EM5II to be a ‘FAIL’ which I doubt it will be so judged in the context of the M4/3S system. if you meant the sensor size is a ‘FAIL’ then why post here? Nobody who IS intersted in the whole well balanced system. really cares what you think. If you have moved on to other systems, that are up to the same standard as the quality of you work, I am happy for you.
All systems have ‘draws and flaws’ but M4/3s as a COMPLETE SYSTEM inc.Panasonic with its many options offers a comprehensive solution for many, taking stills and video into account. It is more than capable of being a primary set up and is also a very useful secondary system.
My point is, just because M4/3s is no longer adequate for YOUR particular special talents , thankfully us mere mortals can handle it.
Your alternatives , good as they are . all have drawbacks too , there is no free lunch with any of them.
Where is YOUR work? I’ve shown mine already, you talk big… Show me your work!
People like to talk big, asking for work, yet have none themselves…. prove me Wrong!
Are you American by any chance?
WTF does my Nationality have to do with anything? I’m a Human Being, thats’s all you need to know.
i think by your latest comment you have answered the question positively, and this explains much about your rather bigotted viewpoint. If you cannot make good images with this new Olympus or any other M 4/3S camera it will not be the fault of the tech or the system. Please show us your work so we can all see where the real problem lies.
“Bigotted” HAHAHA! -Says the one judging a person not on his comment, but judging the comment based on where he’s from!
What a sad person you are.
Buy this camera and enjoy. Good day, sir.
hahaha!
I must have missed seeing your work , when did you post it?
I am not critical of this camera or any system , you have the problem with M 4/3s not me . I am not judging you because of your nationality but it does give some insight into your physche . The weird laughing when nothing funny has been said ????
Have you tried the Pentax 645Z, that may help you achieve the pixel quality that is so important to you to express yourself, but it will not improve your imagination or skill set one iota.
Lucky you! You made up your mind dont buy it! BOOOORIINNGG NEEEEXT
Pound prices are always a bit strange (high). Let’s wait for USD / EUR.
Also possible local dealers will offer it lower.
Looks like the same entry price as E-M5 had 3 yrs ago.
They are really banking on this model. Most of it is proven tech. A few extra features that put it at double the price of E-M10?
Many will find it a bit to expensive for the upgrade and hard to enter the system at with current competition offerings.
YMMV
Ł800 would have been much more atractive for a whole lot of people.
Everything would be more attractive on Ł -level and sold out in no time.
I’m sure it will drop 11% in price within a few months.
How is the 14-150 compared to the 12-50 and 40-150?
Sorry, but people who are buying these toy camera’s at pro prices are really love blind or just plain stupid.
I have always had the feeling there is something wrong with me…
It shows clearly, it’s good you notice.
That is a a rather patronising claim . By the way, why do you post on this site if you feel as you do , what precisely is the point? Would a 10x 8 plate camera suit your talents better?
Long, long standing troll under yet another pseudonym.
Or actually get out and take pictures.
And apology accepted.
Lol, £900? You can get a new A7 for that. You can get a new X-T1 for less than that.
Has Olympus looked at the competition lately? It ain’t 2012 anymore.
Name three cameras that are cheap in £ region .
Hmm? I’m talking about the price relative to the competition.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00I3I2D9W/
http://www.cameracentreuk.com/sony/sony-alpha-a7-digital-camera-body-free-extended-warranty-2499-166-3044.php
Fuji is cheaper here : http://www.kamera-express.be/product/12193714/fujifilm-x-t1-body-flitser/
If a £899 X-T1 is cheap for you, then why is the £900 EM5II expensive? Will the EM5II be a worse camera?
I didn’t say that the Fujis were cheap, I said that you can buy the competition for the same or less than the EM5ii.
I’m not sure how a refresh of a 1/4 frame camera with a 3 year old sensor warrants the same (or more) price as flagship mirrorless FF or APS-C cameras but hey, maybe Olympus knows something I don’t about the market. Probably not, since their camera division haemorrhages money every year, but maybe.
The surprise to me, is that this is similar pricing to the original E-M5 release back in 2012. Back then, the E-M5 had almost no competition, now it has a lot, I guess that they don’t plan on selling a ton of these.
So no problem here! Since the prices are similar, people who prefer deeper DOF (e.g. macro and landscape), more choices of native lenses, better IBIS (e.g. legacy lens users), better compactness (considering both lenses and body)… would likely choose the M4/3 camera. Does lowering price help in competition (without decreasing quality and functionality of the products)? I don’t know, maybe Olympus knows.
> people who prefer deeper DOF (e.g. macro and landscape)
Seriously? You think that people who do landscapes are going to take an E-M5 over the A7? I don’t even know where to start.
>more choices of native lenses,
Maybe on the Sony’s, not so compelling with the Fujis.
>better IBIS (e.g. legacy lens users)
Yeah, nothing like sticking your legacy 35mm lens on a 1/4 frame sensor when you could use it how it was designed to be use on the A7!
>better compactness (considering both lenses and body)… would likely choose the M4/3 camera
A little bit, sure. There’s also competition in the high-end compact EVF market that wasn’t there in 2012 in the form of cameras like the LX100 and RX100iii.
>Seriously? You think that people who do landscapes are going to take an E-M5 over the A7? I don’t even know where to start.
Really? Why not EM5? How large are you going to print out to show A7’s megapixel advantage?
>Maybe on the Sony’s, not so compelling with the Fujis.
There are only 18 lenses listed on fuji’s official site.
>better IBIS (e.g. legacy lens users)
The “1/4” frame sensor uses the best part of the lens.
Have you used any RF lens with FL smaller than 40mm on A7? Or at least see people’s posts complaining about the horrible light fall-off and warp effect on the edges? There are no film camera lenses that are designed to be used on the A7! Digital sensor is not film, it requires light shooting more or less straight to the sensor surface. That’s why Sony is developing the curved surface sensor.
>Really? Why not EM5? How large are you going to print out to show A7’s megapixel advantage?
Dynamic range.
>There are only 18 lenses listed on fuji’s official site.
How many lenses do you think that people are buying?
>The “1/4” frame sensor uses the best part of the lens. etc.
Even with the issues (a lot of them imagined) you still get better performance than you do out of the lenses on a m4/3 sensor.
We all know the Sony is full frame and more pixel count and thats great for landscape. M43 is a compromise system. Small, solid, and still a good image quality. Sony is great but does not meet the needs of all photographers around the world and never will! Thats why we have choices to make! Full frame… half frame.. apsc… size… build quality…
Choose for yourself and enjoy!
A refresh of a camera is selling for 2000$ in canada… thats twice EM1 pricing and twice XT1 pricing. That camera is the A7 mark2. The EM1 and XT1 sell for 1199$. Why would the EM5 mark 2 be expensive at 899$ or 999$? I Think what you mean is that in your opinion the Sony option is a better one, but not for my needs. Dont forget the whole point of M43!!! Small… And the lenses too have to be small.
I think if the EM5 has slight sensitivity or low light capability boost compared to the EM1 or EM5 It will be a killer M43 body…
VF4
Great ergonomic improvements, Tank built, Weather sealing
Swivel screen (great for travelers)
TOP NOTCH image quality.. (To be honest I think the sensor is up to 2015 standards if you look at results)
Improved 5 axis and processor
I like fuji alot, but personally, according to my needs for the best size-image quality ratio, This is a product I like.
In my honest opinion.
Im pre-ordering.
You must be in a cheap part of canada, the E-M1 sells for $1399.99 and the X-T1 for $1299.99 around here. If the E-M5ii comes in at $899.99-999.99CAD, I would say that they got the pricing right.
Trouble is, if it’s relatively similar to the UK pricing, it will be in the order of $1199-1299CAD.
New E-M1 bodies were selling for $799 in Australia at Xmas. That is about US$630 or £416. I picked up a sliver E-M1 a week ago with 12-40 f2.8 PRO for $1449 i.e. US$1144 or £755.
Australia always used to be dearer than the US – not sure why these prices are so good at the moment – but certainly not complaining!
I paid £850 for my E-M5 six months after it was first introduced, and Olympus threw in a free 45 1.8 and a spare battery. So I shall be happy to buy the mkii for £900 if dpreview says that the sensor shift produces a substantial improvement in image detail!
Yeah, I paid about that too. Thing was, back in 2012 there wasn’t much competition in mirrorless with a built in EVF so that pricing made sense. Now there is plenty. I’m not sure how that pricing makes sense anymore…
You don’t need to spend £900 for that. Photoacute does the same and only costs $149. Or you can profile a new combination of body/lens and get it for free.
This is one of those cases where SW is bound to beat HW. Id does it in flexibility, control, price and results. It’s only beat in speed.
Camera of the year in 2012 but this will be an “also ran” this year. 2015 will be the year of 4k cameras with PDAF focusing or the full frame with 50 mpix and there are so many Sony A7 MK1 camera about now for much less than this, with full frame 24mpx same size i just don’t see it selling in volume -as nice as it looks!
At this point, one has to wonder what camera companies will still have imaging divisions in a few years. It makes no difference who is making certain sensors or who is making ground breaking products. Reality is rearing it’s head. I am beginning to think the sh$t is going to start hitting the fan. Lots of clawing and fighting going on and it seems like everyone is standing still. Nobody is able to fight off the loss of camera sales and looking at this release at this price, my opinion hasn’t changed. A segment of current m4/3 users will find this appealing but is that really enough? Is that what Olympus should be aiming at?there are many current users that will not upgrade and many new users that are looking at all of the current offerings such as the a6000 etc.
Yep; I have many m43 lenses but I am not expecting to see an m43 camera I want to upgrade to this year!
Olympus hasn’t really been able to sell the m4/3 advantage. That’s why you are looking at the a6000. Bigger is better, right?
Bigger ? The a6000 is smaller and lighter than any OM-D. And it can T&S use Adapters 😉 http://camerasize.com/compare/#521,535
Sony’s BIG problem is lack of Small E-mount lenses. But there are plenty of Oversized Full Frame FE lenses.
Trending: shoot first ask questions later.
I was referring to sensor size.
Its the system. Sadly, people love to look at trees, and find forests boring. And with the in-camera keystone correction, I don’t see any need at all for T/S lenses.
Guess I’ll wait for 2016’s camera of the year: The Panasonic GX8
Can U say: Pana-Fanbois Extradonaire!
Well I figure by next year maybe there will be some new sensor technology. I’ve got a GM1, would like to have a slightly bigger camera for some extra features (flip/tilt screen, viewfinder, ability to have two dials for better manual exposure, IBIS which Olympus leads right now) but I can’t see myself shelling out even $600+ for a camera with the same sensor. In the meantime I just collect lenses which I’m currently evenly split between Olympus and Panasonic with 3 from each ;).
i think this camera is not for action/sport photographers.
Who does action/sport?
Anyone with a toddler. While this isn’t action/sport having a toddler is making me seriously consider a move to the D750. I love everything about my EM5 but the focus tracking is a joke.
Compensate with DOF :D!
In bright daylight that’s fine. But inside it’s a problem. I’m fine with the images I get up to about ISO 4000 so you run into serious motion blur issues since you can’t bump the shutter speed too high.
Again, I don’t complain about much with the M5 I really love the camera and the photos I’m getting from it, and maybe I am compensating for my lack of skill with a new camera. But I rented the D750 over the weekend and it was glorious even with toddler running directly at me and at F1.8!
I’m also thinking about getting the D750 for exactly the same reasons. Indoor shots at high ISO. The only other mirrorles camera that I consider is the a7s, but as I understand the AF is not as fast (or accurate). At the moment I have an E-M5 too. How high can you go with the ISO on the D750? On the E-M5, ISO 3200 is the limit for me.
I’m starting to feel like a shill for Nikon here, which I’m certainly not!
With that out of the way … I can’t overstate this … the OOC high ISO .jpgs are the best I’ve personally ever seen. This photo was taken at F2.2 1/160 and ISO 8000. I bumped to F2.2 because this was right after I got the camera and I honestly hadn’t figured out how to turn on the 3D tracking. With the 3D tracking on I could get this shot at F1.8 (my wife was tickling my daughter and she was lunging forward).
Cmon, really?? WHat lenses are you using… I swear you would think toddlers run as fast a Bolt 🙂 I can get my 3 year old sprinting at me!
And from one father to another, I am not sure if you have carried a FF camera with you with your kid(s) but it gets tired very very fast.
Yep, really. 17 1.8 and 45 1.8. And I’m going to have to question that you got a shot of anything coming at you without pre-focusing or possibly focusing on the fly and getting lucky, you’re never going to get a series of in focus shots. I know the technique but kids are unpredictable and CDAF does not track moving objects well especially moving at the camera.
edit: spelling.
No, no CAF, I dont use it, but pick my moments. Now the 17 it can be done with, I was using the 12-40 at the time. I also dont go for a series of pictures but have a shot in mind and try to capture it.
Maybe our different styles of shooting are the main difference with our experience. BUT having carried the sony a850 on days out means another bag for my camera, more weight etc.
It’s a valid point. But FWIW and just to highlight that the D750 is smaller than the DSLRs I’m personally use to. Honestly It’s about the same size as a nikon D5100.
Sony Alpha A850 is 11% (15.8 mm) wider and 3% (3.9 mm) taller than Nikon D750.
Sony Alpha A850 is 5% (3.9 mm) thicker than Nikon D750.
Sony Alpha A850 [930 g] weights 11% (90 grams) more than Nikon D750 [840 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).
Sony Alpha A850 dimensions: 156.3×116.9×81.9 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
Nikon D750 dimensions: 140.5x113x78 mm (camera body only, excluding protrusion)
– See more at: http://camerasize.com/compare/#198,567
It was a big camera, that is for sure 🙂 one of the most comfortable vertical grips I have ever used!
Anyways, just be wary… Keeping up with your daughter with your current camera may be a bit difficult (although your sample shot could be prefocussed and shoot multiple shots as she moves through the focus point) but keeping a lerger camera with you when you are out with her as she gets bigger, moves faster, starts climbing everything becomes more of a challenge.
All the best
So, lame children and weak father? Sorry to read that.
Please, keep your trolling and shilling on the system and lets not get personal. Suggesting I am weak is one thing but calling my children lame is something entirely different.
Avoid writing rubbish, you will avoid rubbish replies. Genius.
No, as long as you are here to do your work you can be polite. Didn’t your mother teach you any manners at all?
Why do people have to be a-holes on the internet? Thanks for the remarks disregard the jerks.
Seriously! I shoot BMX and skateboarding with no issues, if you can’t track a toddler it’s not the camera that is the problem.
I have two toddlers, and what I need is a camera so small I will actually bring it with me when I go out. I have not to this day met a single person that actually bring their DSLR with them on a regular basis. For my friends that have kids, the DSLR is too mutch of a hassle when they have to deal with the kids as well. I have maby one in tens of thousends pictures of my kids that could have been saved with focus tracking. On those spesial ocations you bring your D750, you can ask your toddler to run towards you, maby it will be a keeper, maby not.
I agree with you to a point. Size is a consideration and why I haven’t pulled the trigger yet. My main point is that i’d like to see better focusing addressed in a smaller camera but I don’t see that happening any time soon.
But if size were the only consideration we’d all be carrying only our phones but it’s not. Everyone has to balance what is the best trade off is for them. And to be honest yes the D750 is bigger than the OMD (of course it is) but it’s really not that big. I’ve carried a DSLR before (all around Europe) and the D750 is considerably smaller so I don’t see a problem. I’m not the only person considering (or making) this move after handling this camera, there are threads on dpreview from others. Maybe you should try it too 🙂
I have only tried the 7D and 5D, and they are huge, I even think the E-M1 is way too big. Different people different needs, I understand that 🙂
m43 is for brick walls in good light. Thanks to the heavy software correction, corners look sharp on Facebook.
Im placing every subject from now on in front of a brick wall an share on Facebook, failproof!
Begun, the Camera Wars have.
So much concern as to if this upgrade is enough… If it isn’t enough for you, you just saved $1100. WIN
However to EM5 users it brings
better Video
(much) better ergonomics,
Wifi,
upgraded EVF,
improved IBIS,
focus peaking,
colour corrector,
tethering (? sync port suggests so),
built in sync port,
any AF improvements,
built in MIC IN,
possibly headphone out
Built in HDR
2×2 switch
fully articulated screen
AND
a super dooper 40mp image stack that will work for a lot of applications… WHich ones I hear you ask?? I can understand you may have missed it with all the “it cant do this” comments…
Product
Interior
Architecture
Landscape (not a windy day… at which point you get 16mp or some PS work to do)
Macro
Still life (advertising, art, personal experimentation)
documentation (shooting of art etc)
Star/astrophotography (if on a tracking head or simply get the same image much higher res)
YOUR CAT as they sit very still 🙂
You get my point, and these are just the obvious ones. Give an artist a tool and he will work out how to use it for his vision.
I almost had an optimistic moment: you can defeat the troll army with these.
You know the difference between the D800 and the D810 was marginal… D600 and D610… Even D4 and D4s… sometimes it is the aggregate of fixes that add up. In this case I (as a product photographer) benefit greatly from the main feature, but in general my photography benefits from every other feature as well.
Agreed . and thank you for such common sense. Sadly the naysayers here cannot understand poor things, so myopic is their creative vision.
What is the price of the highly touted EGC-2 grip ??? 😉
Nonsensical price. Where does that leave em1? May as well get that.
If that price is true, it’s a head scratcher. I thought it was supposed to fit in between the EM-10 and EM-1 in their line-up, but at that price, I’m at a loss as to why you wouldn’t just get the EM-1?
Eh, size..?
Perhaps. How big is the EM-1 compared to the new EM-5? Is there a size comparison chart out there yet?
I havent seen a good comparison yet, but the E-M5 II is lower and wider than the E-M5. The E-M1 may not be that big, but its just too big for me..
Who is going to upgrade from a 5 to to 5ii because of ….size?
“why you wouldn’t just get the EM-1?”