DIgicameinfo got an updated list of E-M5II specs:
– The body is Magnesium alloy body
– The body is dust and water sealed with resistance to low temperatures (Just like the E-M1)
– 16MP sensor (Same E-M5 16MP sensor)
– TruePic VII Image processing engine
– 5-axis camera shake correction (effective 5 stop correction)
– Video 60p full HD
– Video 24fps
– 77Mbps bit rate
– Touch 3 inches 1.04 million dot Vari-angle LCD monitor.
– 2.36 million dot EVF
– Camera in keystone correction
– Live Composite
– Wi-Fi built-in. Remote control from the smartphone
– Hi-Res composite shooting functions of 40MP (eight shots at 0.5 pixel step I to produce an image of 40MP)
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Well I was right about the WiFi, and live composite. I am surprised if it doesn’t have time lapse as well.
Also, if it has presumably a more capable processor vis a vis the video, I don’t see why it couldn’t also have focus peaking.
Of course it has time lapse and focus peaking, since the e-m10 already had them.
It’s reasonable to expect the same features that have already been released on the lower-tiered E-M10 for the E-M5 II. Still, after this much time has passed, most would expect at least some kind of upgrade to the sensor technology. If anything, this model is a refinement of the original and, while Sony has shown it can upgrade its A7 model within one year, it takes Olympus three years to do the same but with even less evolutionary upgrades. In addition, some of these so-called “upgrades” are years behind the competition. Video at 24 fps is only now coming to Olympus cameras after many years of being available to practically everyone else. Unfortunately, this seems to be a way of business at Olympus and speaks poorly for their future. I would rather wait for sensor improvements to the E-M1 than purchase this obsolete, half-baked upgrade to the original O-MD.
AUDIO????????????????????
Now the question is, em5II or the em1? which one should I get?
IMHO, on-sensor PDAF was always the most significant advantage of the E-M1 over the E-M5. If you don’t need decent C-AF, get the E-M5II. If you don’t need 40MP images or better video, get the E-M5!
From what we know until now: If you want to have the option of buying FT lenses and properly auto-focus them, or if you think you want to have the option of connecting some of the accessories which need the Accessory Port, then the E-M1 is currently the only option. If you think that multi-exposure micro-shift 40 MP mode for static scenes is more important, get the E-M5II. If you don’t care too much about either option, think about the E-M10 or E-M5. The latter is missing some other lesser options the others have, though, like Focus Peaking.
There’s got to be some penalty to use the 40 MP mode. It probably only works well on static objects.
Yes, most probably. And I’d guess you’ll need a tripod, too.
Bet it doesn’t.
Spec : Audio : mic input or not ?….
Yes.
How do you know?
O – AKA Deep Throat – as relates to Nixon, not the movie. 😉
Nikon should rename the company. Who wouldn’t want a Nixon camera?
Anyone with taste who has seen the watches.
Just believe O, believe me! From past posts by O info was given, but hardly anybody took any notice (but I did).
Was almost going to pull the trigger on this, but the E-M5 still suits my needs. It has some nice bells and whistles that I would legitimately use, but the same sensor is what keeps me from it. The E-M5 is pretty much 85% of all the camera I need. The cold sealing is a nice touch.
Though I’m sure what will end up happening is that the E-M1 II will have a new sensor and I’ll go with that.
The 40 MP feature is interesting, will wait and see if the results are worth it, especially for landscape detail. I’d rather have a super high resolution camera with a sensor this suze for landscape, because if the greater depth of field.
Looking forward to Luminous Landscape putting it through its paces! In the meantime, super happy with my E-M1.
+1
I can’t believe they don’t want to sell it here in Europe… again!
I don’t think admin has divulged the full list of specs so there is still hope. He was quite reprehensible in the way he drip-fed the specs for the E-M1.
Correction: admin was drip-fed the specs for the E-M1 by his sources. I used to work at HP a long time ago, and that’s what we used to do with approved media partners.
You know this to be fact or are you extrapolating?
What on earth makes you think Admin gets ALL the details & that he dribbles you the leaks? He passes on what he gets & only holds back details to protect those that pass on these leaks (or unconfirmed details).
The E-M1 specifications series of articles.
Noticed how this supposed full spec does not list 30p? Does that mean Olympus dropped it? No, of course not. This is just not a full spec. If there’s really 24fps mode, I’m pretty sure 25fps will be there as well. The question is, will it be 25/30 everywhere, or will it be region specific(which would suck)?
So, hold your horses until Olympus actually announces the camera.
1080p 50/60fps? I wonder if that will be available too as per most of the current Panasonic cameras.
Oh dear 25p let’s hope the missing magic frame rate is really there this time.
When is the fixed-lens digital TRIP coming?
No info about the shutter? A silent electronic shutter would be a significant feature, especially after all the Shutter Shock wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the shutter might have a major impact on how the sensor shifting works.
This is crap that they’re holding out PDAF for the EM1, so they “force” you to get that model. If it had PDAF i’d be all over it.
Yes, but hordes of extremist fanboys keep telling everyone that Olympus does everything right by artificially crippling their camera through that desicion, and that you must be completely stupid to wish for a camera that produces 40 MP and fully supports FT lenses at the same time. Be careful what you wish for on these forums; if Olympus reads them, they’ll get the impression they’re doing everything perfectly alright after all and that people wishing for something else, let alone more, actually have no right to exist!
Olympus is one of the few companies that rarely cripples their camera models. On the contrary, Oly has been criticized for not differentiating theiy camera models enough.
But that’s not “on the contrary”. Actually the E-M5II is just another example of not differentiating their cameras enough.
They don’t cripple thier cameras? They’ve stuck the same old sensor in many of thier bodies for years before the omd came out. Then they used that sensor on how many cameras now, including this new one?
Basically true, but they use the available sensor unlike Canon that use their old sensors in their lower tier models. The E-M1 got the Panasonic sensor with PDAF being used with it & probably at a higher cost than the Sony sensor that’s been used since E-M5.
If you shoot video with EM1 you will see that occasionally the PD pixel area are causing artifacts in the picture.
I am glad that they didn’t use the sensor from EM1.
X8…..in a 40MP sensor shift still, lotsa big holes in an image!
They need to keep a distinction between the EM1 and EM5/10 series. Plus this one is probably using a Sony sensor; while the EM1 had to use a Panasonic sensor which resulted to some artifacts in videos and noise in long exposures.
If you have 4/3 lenses the E-M1 is better; if not then they are similar with differences in economics, etc.
Don’t forget Olympus rarely cripples their cameras on purpose. Unlike i.e. Canon 5D MkIII vs 6D which are similar, with less AF points.
The 6D is a consumer body, basically a 60D with a FF sensor. The 5D series have better build quality and more enthusiast-oriented controls.
The sensor between the 5D and 6D are the same -hence the similar IQ, which is something Canon couldn’t “cripple”- but the AF points are different.
Other differences in the build quality, controls, features are irrelevant to the fact technology shared between models was crippled.
It’s not crippled. The higher up in the line-up a product sits, the better control over AF it should have. It’s called product differentiation.
The business reasons are understandable and I agree with them. It is technologically crippled thought; as you get the same manufacture line for both sensors and disabling parts of it for the lower model.
GPUs and CPUs manufactures are doing the same for ages now…
Silent shutter and time lapse apparently missing as well. And don’t forget they had an opportunity to put the slightly better E-M1 Panasonic sensor in this camera and declined.
Kind of why I like Panny. They just put the best s**t in their new cameras and let people decide.
Yes, how dare they reserve features for the high end model?! They should put all the features into the E-M10 Mark II for $700!
Missing shutter details. 1/8000 s shutter? Electronic shutter? Also missing af info? Better tracking? Better low light af? Faster af?
I will buy it if it has c-af equal to the e-m1 (could be contrast, pdaf isn’t an absolute neccessity for me). Otherwise no, I will get a cheap e-m1 when the 300 f4 is available or wait for an e-m1 II with a new (presumably) sensor.
I’m hoping for at least 1/16000 electronic shutter.
WHY, OLYMPUS, WHY??? Answer me, damnit! You’re doing this to me on purpose. Why no new art filters? WHY?
Now that the camera has Wifi, they felt art filters would be better handled directly in your Instagram app
I think you are wrong, rumours say there will be a new and radical F-Art Filter.
Just so you people know, in case there’s some misunderstanding: this camera is NOT A DSLR!
Yes, I know, it comes as a bit of a chock, but at least now you don’t have to spend your hard-earned money on this. It’s a crippled camera, a camera lacking some very important mechanical and optical parts that every camera needs.
You mean its lacking a lens? Dont be fooled by the first picture, you can mount many lenses on this camera, but not all at once.
Good that you explained him that the camera can mount only one lens at time 😀
Most DSLRS don’t even have a prism anymore. Does that make them crippled too¿
OMG. You’re right! I have the original E-M5 and the dang thing doesn’t take any photos. I press the shutter button and nothing!!! Thanks to you I now know that the camera is missing a lot of mechanical and optical parts! How could Olympus have fooled all of us into buying their cameras!!!!
Not as crippled as your personality, which is about as charming as a Komodo dragon.
Maybe that’s a bit harsh – sorry Komodos everywhere.
It’s always fun to see you fangirls weep and howl. Carry on.
I love you.
If you were so super happy you wouldn’t feel threatened enough to waste your time writing such utter wank.
You mean it doesn’t have that old tech from last century, a flappy mirror?
What is it lacking?
A mirror box, dedicated AF and metering sensors, a pentaprism.
It doesn’t need a mirror or a pentaprism. It has autofocus and a metering system.
It doesn’t need a mirror or a pentaprism. It has autofocus and a metering system.
Don’t be silly! Every camera needs a mirror and a pentaprism. And the AF and metering should be performed by separate sensors, not the imaging sensor.
M43 camera don’t have a mirror or a pentaprism and they still take photos therefore cameras do not need either component. Rangefinder cameras have no mirror. iPhones have no mirror. It would appear that mirrors are not a scientific law for a camera to be a camera. And please cite your source for why AF and metering should not be done by the sensor. It appears to function in mirrorless cameras.
Sounds as if your argument is based on false assumptions.
any plans for firmware update on EM1? are they going to add higher bit rate video to EM1?
No.
Correction. Yes and No.
Correction. O – You dont know.
He’s never been wrong yet.
Actually, O does know! You’ll just have to wait & see what will be coming, officially.
then, yes for firmware update and no for high bitrate video in O’s answer
Curious now. 🙂
That is the only thing what would save E-M1 sales.
When both shares the same CPU, has same EVF and even same IBIS, the question is that can Olympus update the firmware so all those comes to E-M1?
Would it eat E-M5 II sales? No, because it is smaller without grip.
I think swivel screen should have been integrated on the em1 series while tilt screen on the em5 & em10 series, to better differenciate higher end & lower end models
If that would mean the high end models will have a swivel screen, I am going for the lower end.
Tilt screens are better for stills IMO because you can still one hand it, whereas a swivel screen requires two hands to use. I used to think the swivel was superior, but after using the G6 and my EM-10, I think the tilt screen is better.
The swivel screed really bothers me. I have a tiny tiny hope that it also tilts (gaps on the screen edge)
Depends on what you’re doing. For me there are many situations where I have the camera locked down on a tripod shooting video and I’m off to the side. The swivel screen allows me to look at it from the right or left side of the camera, a tilt screen would not.
The same is true if I’m shooting a personal video blog and want to be able to flip the screen around to see myself.
Thats why you have a smartphone that mirrors the video screen to your smartphone so you can be anywhere!
I just hate that Olympus limited the video recording to 15 seconds in E-M1 and Olympus O.I.S!
Where is info about AF?
It works ! 😉
Superb! 🙂
A nice camera. I’m already using my “old” em5 as a back up for my Em1, but I’ll wait for an Em1 II to upgrade my m43 gear.
I’m afraid that might take about 20 months, judging by the 3 year cycle, which is quite some time to wait…
I’d prefer shorter 18 month cycles tbh, even if the upgrades are not that great…
I’m an EM5 user and I am thinking about upgrading to the EM1.
The first thing you’ll notice is how much the handling and overall tactile feeling have been improved.
Then that it’s bigger than em5 but very comfortable to use and not at all big as a DSLR.
At higher ISOs it’s a bit more noisy than Em5, but its noise has a more grainy aspect and I prefer it to that of Em5.
A couple of friends of mine sold their fuji cameras and lenses and bought the Em1 after they tried it for a day (to be honest they kept their x100s).
Try it if you can. With prices going down a little it should be hard to resist. 🙂
I want to take this camera seriously, but the HDR button cracks me up every time.
Well it does appear to be a function button so I’m sure you can switch it to whatever you would like. My guess is they set it to HDR as the default because so many people seem to be using HDR for their shots, personally I don’t care for it that much but as long as you can switch it I think you can take the camera seriously.
I am wondering if these function buttons on top will be multi-functional buttons like the Fn2 button is. Then a long press can change the button from HDR to whatever is else is assigned to Fn4. The for the Fn3 button the EVF/LCD change is the default and something else could also be assigned to that button. Then with the 2×2 level these Fn buttons could even take on a third function. Anyhow, it is just some thinking on my part that will have to wait till the announcement and maybe even some early reviewer reports.
I want to take you seriously, but you seem like a whiner complaining about insignificant things. It’s an added function you don’t have to use.
Well, if it’s implemented like the E-M1 it’s essentially another auto-bracketing function, and doesn’t necessarily process the HDR in camera.
The usual trickle of specs, that are incomplete. In another week we will get the real picture but until then we wait and endure the constant speculation and trickle of info, some of which will be right and some of which will be wrong. If it has a decent 1080/60p video with a clean image that meets my video needs. 16mp is more then sufficient for the majority of my photography but the sensor shift 40mp intrigues me. It won’t work for everything but for the type of landscape, architectural and still-life I do it would be quite a benefit if it works well.
What will make or break video is still unknown: sensor readout. Will it subsample???
Exactly. Tried to find the datachart for the E-M5 Sony sensor (IMX 109) to see if it is full-readout capable, but could not find it anywhere.
If the E-M5II uses full sensor sample, or the subsample is good (a.k.a minimal aliasing and moire), I’ll buy one right away.
In the stills specs, only one thing in the all EM’s bothers me a lot: in spot metering, the metering is always made in the center, not in the selected focus point (like in the Panasonics). This would be selectable (center or focus point, would be ideal), or (for my taste) always following the selected focus point.
E-M1 does it so that you select “focus point” and then it meters exposure from that as well, not from just center, press AEL and then you can change focus point elsewhere if wanted.
E-M1 does full sensor readouts, then it downscales it to 1080p.
And E-M1 allows you to even record 1:1 FHD video from any part of the image, offering a 5.6x magnification (not digital! it is 1:1 pixel read out) for any focal lengths.
E-M1 offers awesome video quality (no blocking, no artifacts, no jittery etc) but the missing feature is yet the 25fps mode so lights would stop flickering 70% of the world countries!
Do you have any link for that? Thanks.
Yes, there is lot that remains to be known. I look forward to getting all the details. My video needs are moderate. Mostly for travel blogging. More interested in the still capabilities. In a week we will know.
43rumors.com . you get what you get 🙂 Name says it all.
This camera can do bracketing, HDR, and sensor shift high resolution. The next multi-image parlor trick I’d like to see is in camera focus stacking.
Right. And it is so easy to implement with modern (CDAF-optimized) AF lenses, WHY they all don’t do it?
Well, Mr. PeePee, perhaps because it’s not as easy as you think?
I wouldn’t say “Full Specs”, just a little bit more specs. Still a lot of unknowns spec-wise. I have both the E-M5 and the E-M1. I have no FT lenses but a lot of mFT lenses. I love the E-M1 but like the compact size of the E-M5, but I love the handling of the E-M1. So I just might the E-M5 II. For me it depends on any improvements in C-AF.
Timelapse function??? Just need to know that now…
Of course it has timelapse. Even the E-M10 has timelapse…
Does it?? Cool.
Don’t know about the M10, but the E-M5 has a limited implementation. The real intervalometer is the one on Panasonic cameras, like GM1/GX7/GH4: up to 9999 pictures, intervals in min/sec and informs you when it’s going to end as you adjust it, not to say the electronic (silent) shutter. Just perfect.
And even the Stylus 1 (now).
I hope the new video modes get ported up into a new E-M1 firmware. I’m fine with 1080p, just give me better 1080p.
I hope so too!
I’m curious to know what the dynamic range is in video mode, if there are any moire/aliasing issues and how controlled the rolling shutter is. The resolution and bitrate seem perfectly adequate if those other things are well done.
Seems like the perfect camera for architectural photography! Vari angle lcd, 40mp stacking, keystone correction. Seems like they tried to make the perfect body for the new 7-14mm. looking forward to the first reviews. Hope it goes well with the pana 7-14mm as well..
Still no all electronic shutter for silent shooting?? This is such a useful feature on Panasonic cameras I don’t know why Olympus doesn’t implement it as well. 🙁 Maybe when the full spec sheet is announced it’ll show up *knock on wood*
It’s not as good as some may think. Practical in some situations, but has drawbacks. I have never needed it on my GH4 since it has an amazingly fast mech. shutter, but my GM1 on the other hand, uses the Electronic Shutter at faster shutter speeds, and I’m not too impressed by the results. One thing is the diagonal distortion caused by both camera and subject movement (rolling shutter), another is the resulting image which somehow gets a worse, slightly noisier result. It’s like it has a lower bitrate. I’ve tried using it for HDR and I get banding where I should get smooth gradients, and terrible ISO noise.
Actually, I believe I read somewhere that it does have a lower bitrate when using the electronic shutter than the mechanical shutter. I don’t recall the source and I could be hallucinating, but I definately recall reading that.
I’ved used two GX7’s on film sets for completely quiet shooting. The only way to attain that level of quietness is with a sound blimp over a DSLR, which are huge and bulky. Even with a blimp still though, I’ve had directors on set as me to stop shooting as they can still here the flutter of my shutter from my D700 in a blimp. Granted they were sitting in close proximity to me, whereas the microphones used to record audio was too far away and did not pick up anything. Why I’d love for Olympus to have an electronic shutter is b/c their in body IS is much better than Panasonics. I understand that it shoots at a slightly lower bitrate with an e-shutter but I try to limit shooting at high ISO by shooting with fast glass to keep noise down.
Silence is the only reason I would use the electronic shutter, for sure. On the GM1 it’s forced at higher shutter speeds, because the tiny size means it has a weak front-curtain shutter motor (this is also true of the GM5 I’ve been told). I can deal with that, but what annoys me most is how the electronic shutter is forced ON when using manual lenses, and can’t be changed to mechanical. So even when I use fast glass. like the SLR Magic 25mm T0.95 , I can’t enjoy the better image quality of the mechanical shutter 🙁 At least I have my 75mm 1.8 and 20mm 1.7 🙂
Price please.
Previous thread.
900 euro..Yikes!
1299€
It is 900£ that converts to euros in 30% higher price = 300€
It would be a dream deal if it would come as 899€ body only and 1099€ with 12-50mm II, then upgrade E-M1 to have same features (bitrate, framerates, sensor shift) as then you can get truly a choice to buy a little cheaper and smaller body, or get a one older model with same features but with 4/3 lens support and grip.
I would say that everyone would be super happy about that deal!
E-M10 for 599€
E-M5 for 599€
E-M5 II for 999-1099€
E-M1 for 1299€
* E-M10 body is cheap and easy way to get in with updated features.
* E-M5 is old good way to get a backup body or camera for person who doesn’t need latest functions but needs weather proofing.
* E-M5 II would be for those who want latest features and prefer small size (pocketable, easy to place on bag etc)
* E-M1 would be for those who want latest features, support for 4/3 lenses and wants a grip for better handling.
I would say that sounds a breaking deal combination. As E-M1 owner I would not feel at all jealous to E-M5II at all if both records same quality video, with same sensor shift technology.
It would keep E-M1 sales up, boost E-M5 II sales as it would be great way to get E-M1 level too.
And then maybe wait next 18 months until E-M1 II is required to come out with a new sensor with DFAF, with E-M5 III with same sensor but without PDAF.
And I don’t think (as ex-E-M5 owner) that any E-M5 owner would feel bad either for upgrade price, or any future E-M5 II owner to feel bad about E-M1 being just few hundred euros more expensive as they don’t own 4/3 lenses (otherwise they would own E-M1).
And by that way I would say if it happens, Olympus would have managed to raise whole OM-D line attraction to new customers with one new model release, without abandoning old customers etc.
A good yarn, but that doesn’t make it true. An honourable mention for the great effort, though!
So still the same mushy, noisy, blurry and tiny sensor. To bad.
still the irrelevant blabla from your side 😉
I find it hilarious how amateurs like you mask their never ending jealousy and inferiority complex with burning hate for m43 because of the awesome features of m43 that they can never get with the aging dinsoaurs Canon and Nikon.
I’ll enjoy my 40mpix composite-image-capable and weather-sealed body without straining my back or getting inconvenienced, while carrying such a tiny featured packed technological miracle around all day.
You can enjoy your hilariously bugged nikon rubbish, super bland canon garbage or sony fashion accessoires with ergonomics designed by marquis de sade.
Hahaha… 🙂
“You can enjoy your hilariously bugged nikon rubbish, super bland canon
garbage or sony fashion accessoires with ergonomics designed by marquis
de sade.”
That sounds like burning hate too. Judge not lest ye be judged yourself!
I don’t hate any camera system or manufacturer, but looking at the current state the industry is in, it just makes my quite sad.
I wished the big 3 would actually deliver some good mirrorless cameras but Canon and Nikon completely missed the train and so far Sony was only playing around.
I do hope that Sony delivers better bodies in the future and more lenses ofc too and am fully prepared to buy one of their cameras to add to my ever increasing kit when they finally do.
As for Canon and Nikon, well I am afraid they are not going to make anything worthwhile anytime soon as they don’t want to endanger their current lines, which I find quite a shame. They are also known to cripple their cameras and remove vital features just because of that.
Judging by their current mirrorless lines they’re not really going anywhere in that department and really could do so much more. That’s why I am really disappointed in them.
I just expected more and know they could deliver but just don’t want to, because they can make more bucks with cheap garbage dslrs that they release over and over again! And yeah, Nikon has no worthwhile QA so everything they make can have serious bugs (oil, AF, flare, white dots, etc.).
Because you are a pro? Do you need weather sealing for your brick walls?
You used that a couple days ago.
Try again.
You should thank Oly for still having something to live for 🙂
You’re right! This camera can’t take a sharp photo at all. Look at this eagle on Flickr taken with an E-M5…so mushy…noisy and blurry!!!! Yuck!!!! Everyone stay away!
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7439/9445246941_d4727ccd20_b.jpg
That photo was obviously not taken with a m4/3 camera, no matter what the EXIF data tells you. A toy sensor is per definition incapable of producing a good photo.
I don’t know about others, but I rarely find my m43 incapable to take good sharp photos. I do hope the Dr can increase a bit to match my Leica m.
Here are my photos. Feel free to criticize.
500px.com/yatbond
You are incorrect.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
A troll that doesn’t understand EXIF.
I’d hate to be the troll pillow tonight. In for some serious biting.
What makes you think I don’t understand EXIF?
Make it a little larger and you will see the artifacts. As usual…
And yeah, the bird had to be very still, of course. Sad…
Why not just click on the photo yourself to make it a lot larger? Oh wait…that might cause you to sprain your brain. As for the bird being still…photography 101 tip for you…any camera will show a fuzzy/blurred shot if the bird suddenly moves and your shutter speed isn’t fast enough to freeze it. Now go out and practice!
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7439/9445246941_4536cb794d_o.jpg
That certainly is a beautiful sharp shop!
Same uninformed, panicked, paranoid commentary. To(o) bad.
As a owner of em-5, i’m a little disappointed with this camera.. I hope Olympus will focus in real hardware upgrades and research on future (think when it comes out 5 axis stabilisation!)
I expected more at first but then I looked at the competition and reconsidered. Look at canon that practically releases the same lame cameras over and over, or Nikon that doesn’t really test cameras and has no QA so every camera can have some serious bugs (oil spots, AF, flare, etc.), or Sony that has yet to deliver a usable mirrorless body and not just these badly designed toys.
Neither Canon nor Nikon have anything worth considering in their mirrorless department anyway and after experiencing the awesomeness of a good EVF I will never go back to the old mirrorslappers unless I absolutely have to like with my 645Z for some of that medium format goodness.
🙂
I’ll get me an E-M5 II as I think it will be a worthy upgrade if the 40mpix composite is as good as I expect it to be. And knowing Oly quality, I am sure it is.
O men you are really love blind or just really stupid.
You must be right mr. m43ending..
The real stupidity comes from those who really think they can influence camera manufacturers by posting silly comments in an English language forum.
We don’t think we can influence anyone to do anything. That’s not why we are here. We are here to annoy some people, and entertain others. You may choose to which of those two categories you belong.
Yes who needs mirror slap when you have shutter shock .A link to some shots taken with “your” 645z would be cool. I doubt it will happen though as you are just a typical mFT blowhard fanboy . Every company has QA problems perhaps you missed all the cracks , faulty AF, parts falling off etc from the Olympus cameras. With Canon and Nikon probably selling 7 times more DSLRs than Olympus sells mirrorless the law of averages comes in to play. The image stacking can be done with any camera in post .Typical Olympus milking a sensor for years , they used that crap 12mp Panasonic sensor for god knows how long.
Cant wait for those 645z shots lol
Good to see you in such good form HarryDickTom!
Shutter shock? Never experienced it, and even if there was a problem,
I’d just set the delay in the menu to 0 sec and there would be none.
Maybe you shouldn’t get your trollinfo from outdated forum posts. And
how many companies do you know that practically had to rerelease their
products because they were too dumb to fix them? D600 -> D610, D800
-> D810 and the D750 is now having serious flare problems. No other
camera maker screws up as bad as Nikon. Not even close. Quite a few of
my colleages switched because when they’re at a shoot their camera has
to be reliable and Nikon just isn’t.
Btw. I never had problems
with Olympus gear, nor do I know anyone personally actually. Granted I
know only 3 guys that shoot commercially with Oly gear but still, no
faulty AF, no parts falling off, no anything else that you made up just
to make Nikon look not that bad in comparison. But Nikon sucks and is a
joke these days.
I remember the face when a buddy
of mine tried to take long exposures with his 3k star tracker rig and
then picture was full of white dots. Nikon just sucks, they don’t test
their damn gear at all!
As for the rest of your rubbish
post, come on, is that all you can do? Got angry because your crappy
dslr turned out to be a lame stinker when you saw some of that m43
goodness?
Sucks to be you? 🙂
PS: I won’t post any of my 645z pics because I sell them for money and won’t waste any of them on garbage like you…
You are a very angy and aggressive person. And opinionated in a bad way. Calling someone ‘garbage’ is very bad manners.
I have ~30k actuations on my EM-5. I think I’ve seen shutter shock in 30 photos with the 45mm. It is a non-issue.
You just said that you have encountered the issue in 30 photos, and at the same time it’s a non-issue? I’d say that any problem that affects 1 out of every 1000 photos is a MAJOR cause for concern.
He also listens to Celine Dion because she sells 7 times more records than Billie Holiday.
It is OK to be disappointed in a product even though you own into the system. No need to bash other companies to make yourself feel better.
I don’t bash other companies to make myself feel better but because I am really really disappointed. Canon does practically the same thing over and over and we still have to see something even just approaching 30mpix and Nikon is just plain unreliable. A couple of my colleagues got seriously pissed when their Nikon fritzed out in a critical situation. Do you know how annoying it is to see that after a shoot you have some serious oil stains on your images? Or even flare problems with the recently released D750?
Not acceptable!
And both of their mirrorless attempts are just plain laughable. The Eos-m line is pure garbage and trailing the competition by years. Do they even have something with an EVF? I don’t think so. As for Nikon, do I even have to comment on that fail? I really expected more from the so called industry giants than something this laughably bad. But thats what you get when you just can’t change and won’t adjust to the times.
As for Sony, come on. The ff mirrorless bodies they released so far *are* toys. Compare them to the ruggedness and usuability of the OMD line and you see what I mean. I do hope though that now, that Sony stated that they are now fully comitted to their mirrorless ff line, they do finally deliver a usable pro body, because so far they just haven’t!
You sound like you need to take a chill pill. If a camera came out the next few days and was perfect in every way you would still tear it a new
As?hole out because it is not the camera you own. Every single post of yours is like listening to the same old Mr. negative pants over and over again. We get it. You like your gear. And regarding professionalism. No Pro would really be on here talking so immaturely and throwing a tizzy fit about electronics. Pros just get on with it and deal with their work. The real deals could care less about the Interwebzzzz. by the way…maybe you should write to that Jac?Ass. Steve McCurry and plenty of others doing fabulous work and let them know they are missing out on better gear and stop using those old, outdated, Dinosaurs and toys.
He’s right though. Look at the 7D2. What a joke of an “upgrade”. Or the D600. Or the D750.
The 7D2 is actually a major upgrade, if you’re a sports or wildlife photographer who values improvements in AF/tracking ability and improved build quality and weather sealing, more than the ability to lift shadows 5 stops in post-processing. If you’re not a sports or wildlife photographer, then you’re really not in the target market for the 7D2.
I guess you meant the D610, and I agree with you about that one. It’s a fixed D600, not a new camera model.
The D750 is not an upgrade to any existing model. It’s a completely new model that sits between the D610 and D810. None of them is a successor to the old D700, which never saw a replcement.
I like everything I see in the views of this camera and the specs other than previously mentioned price which might send me hunting for a EM5 bargain if still available. I think Oly did us a favor with the upgrade in std kit lenses offered with the new EM5ii.
Interesting. I upgraded from the E-M5 to the E-M1, but sold them both (for money, not cause).
At this point, the M5II (and grip, when needed) seems fantastic and would be my preference.
Really happy with the decisions made by Oly this time, its exactly (except for the swivel screen, I prefer tilt) what I am looking for. Actually, I’m surprised and impressed!
i notice that the photos now cut off the swivel part of the screen (see above), I have a feeling that it may be tilt after all and I also prefer tilt!!
I have been searching the net for swivel screens to compare, none have gaps at the swivel part. Fingers crossed.
I noticed that in the first shot, but it doesn’t make sense as the swivel would need to be bottom or top part of the screen then, like in SLT-77 camera.
You can’t get swivel to side and then have it tilting up/down like with E-M5/10/1 and then get a fully articulated swivel to side for those few videographers who doesn’t do photography.
This is Olympus we are talking about. I bet you can remove it completely an use it as a remote for your phone..
Why cant I have everything? this is Olympus after all.
What about the 30-minute time limit on video recordings?
It is sacred.
EU rules if you don’t want a higher taxes, device being taxed as videocamera.
And 99% of the users doesn’t care if it can record just 29min 29s or 29min 59s.
Even when professionals do events or music videos, the 30min limit is so far away that it doesn’t even come close to those.
But then those who want to place camera on tripod, place a 512GB card in and hit record to capture either timelapse of event (people moving quickly around as video is speeded up) or then place camera with external battery to hideout and record animals coming out to open.
For those it is just much better to go and get a videocamera.
Will the image output of this camera be any better than that of the EM5/EM10/EM1- ie, one indistinguishable from the other, for the most part?
If no real change, as in each successive model since the EM5, what would be of interest is incremental features, but it doesn’t sound like anything earth shattering relevant to the EM5- weatherproof, check, 16mp check.
So the remaining point of interest is the price. Olympus, please be very very aggressive with this, this is not 2011 or even 2013. Please price it so it is sold out for months (like the original). If it sits on dealer shelves after a couple weeks of full (not initial deliberate short shipments to simulate (ie, pretend) demand), you priced it too high.
Was it only 3 or 4 years ago we were waiting for month after month after month for NEX-7, D800, X100, EM-5? The good old days when sales were high.
That 40mp stuff… is that only in jpeg? Shaking things around, sounds kind of like the magic Pentax pulls to give the K3 a ‘variable’ aa filter?
Bottom line, what is the price?
No chance for the price to drop, this one is built to a higher standard than the first. And there is the E-M10 for those that cannot swing for the premium model. I agree with whoever it was that said that the M5 is now closer to the M1, but differentiated by (sometimes subtle) features. This is a good thing, after all, the target demographic these cameras is clearly not that of Sony, etc.
I don’t know if that’s true. I shoot sony and M43.
Sure, generalizations have exceptions by definition.
Oh, is that how you rationalize it? Well, guess what? I shoot m43, Fuji, and Sony. Are we still the exceptions? You sure are smart.
No, you’re probably not, I was being kind.
I thought Thinkinginpictures was the only exception 🙂
Where did I say “exception”? ; )
“This is a good thing, after all, the target demographic these cameras is clearly not that of Sony, etc.”
Humm?!??
The simplest way of putting it is: Just as the target demographic of a candy bar mfg. is different than that of a granola bar mfg., Those who are BEST suited (the target demo) to understand what makes Oly’s m4/3 system cameras the best on the market, are unlikely to be tempted by anything Sony has to offer in their mirror-less system cameras.
40MP only in JPEG… I hadn’t considered that, but it’s a real possibility. I hope that’s not the case.
The NEX-7 and D800 sold out quickly initially because of low production capacity. The 2011 floods in Thailand was a serious blow to both Nikon and Sony, and it took them a while to regain full production capacity.
I suspect “77Mbps bit rate” is for All-I mode only, for which it would be OK/adequate.
I have a client I do travel video for. She demands 60fps 1080. Cool. This is going in the bag on the next trip.
Pornstar, eh?
Probably. His name is “fuzzy normal.” Kind of a give away.
The weather sealing should come in handy!
for those that like to do long exposure, the E-M5 or E-M10 is the superior model, and not the E-M1. I am very happy the E-M5 Mkii is continuing with the Sony sensor and not the video centric panasonic sensor in the E-M1. http://www.seldomscenephotography.com/2013/11/14/the-olympus-e-m1-and-long-exposures/
I think this also relates to size, the E-M5 can be smaller because of less need to heat sink the sensor. The E-M1 requiring more heat dissipation like a GH4.
It will be interesting to see how Olympus positions the new E-M5 in their line up. Perhaps the M5 gets to be their video model with the fully articulating screen ?
TruePic VII Image processing engine is the same as the one in E-M1?
Now that we know that 4K video is not possible in firmware, any chance that variable frame rates are possible for E-M1?
So, why buy this and not the GM1? This will not be shirt pocketable, even with a pancake lens. So it seems like Olympus have made a camera without a target market. Very odd!
GM1? – you are confused!
Maybe their target market is people without baby hands but normal sized appendages?
If you want an GM1 then go ahead and buy it but why should this camera compete with it?
I’d actually prefer if Oly made their Cameras somewhat larger. They’re not pocketable anyway (not even a GM1 really is unless you’re Andre the giant) and if they have the same weight, why not?
You are a troll but you should have made this point on the EM1’s announcement. That was a camera that all reviewers said was great but sort of missed the point of micro 4/3s by making a camera near DSLR size. This EM5 is still pretty small so your comment doesn’t apply here
So you claim that it is in fact shirt pocketable? Otherwise, my comment certainly does apply here.
Thank god I don’t judge a camera if it’s shirt pocketable. Seriously.
Then Canon and Nikon have no target market for their DSLRS! Because you definitely can’t fit a D800 into a shirt pocket. Why buy a Canon 5D Mark III when a Canon Powershot A1400 will fit in your shirt pocket. You need to change your name from “Confused” to “Stupid & Confused”.
they can’t fit a flash in that huge hump???! cue the thats what she said jokes…
That’s what she said…
The fact it has no flash is a benefit, not a drawback. Do you really want a little crappy consumer flash in there. It’ll add unnecessary weight and cost to the camera. The fact these cameras are essentially stripped down slrs is their number one selling point and the only reason I got into the m43 system.
And would add bulk to the hump. Also, my understanding is that the location of the gyro sensors in the hump contribute positively to the systems superior IS performance.
Flash has no place in a decent camera. Flash *only* brings drawbacks. Just look at the E-M10, they reduced the 5-axis IBIS to a 3-axis IBIS because they needed the space for the quite weak flash. And if you use a longer lens you need an external flash anyway as it throws shadows.
It’s pure crap and unnecessary and if you need something like that you’d be better off with the bridge camera crowd anyway…
So all those people who find a built-in flash useful are wrong? Why can’t you accept that people have different opinions and preferences?
Because I want to be able to wirelessly control legacy flashguns? And 3 vs 5 is a difference only in paper, real life video tests showing basically no difference. Then there’s the highly controversial test of GX7’s 2 axis stabilization performing better than EM5’s 5 axis stabilization. Search “tysonrobichaudphotography” blog post entitled “The GX7 vs the OM-D E-M5, battle for my affection, Round 1 – IBIS, EVF’s & LCD’s”. A lot of people like to argue based on what’s on paper and not actual performance.
I think that I speak for the entire community of camera enthusiasts, when I say that actual performance doesn’t interest us,
Can I quote this post to show how gormless m43 fangirls are?
Gormless. May I quote you?
No mention of 25p or 50p?
Yes, you mentioned those.
They should have used the same form factor as the Sigma Quattros, but without that awful Foveon sensor.
Lol?
The Sigma Quattro form factor is a marketing gimmick und pure garbage. Nobody in their right mind would prefer that “hunk o’ junk” to a well designed OMD with EVF.
And as for the Foveon sensor, if Oly would ever release a camera with one of them I’d buy 2 of them immediately without hesitation and I know quite a few guys that would as well.
Sigma can’t make a decent camera if their life depended on it and every p&s from 10 years ago handles better, but their Foveon sensor is fantastic (some of their lenses too, but that’s another story). At least the Merrill iteration as the Quattro version seriously lacks the micro contrast I am used to due to the 20/5/5 assembly instead of the previous 15/15/15 assembly of the sensor. The Foveon sensor is crap at high iso but at base it is a pure monster that blows almost every ff to smithereens.
To anyone who can see things objectively, as I can, this camera can’t compete with Sony. Want better performance in a smaller size? Get the A6000. Want better performance in the same size? Get one of the A7 models.
Well, the way I define performance rules out Sony completely. You wouldn’t understand.
You lack the ability to see things objectively. It’s not your fault, you were born that way.
You lack the ability to take decent photos. Hint: Its not your camera….
I am a Master photographer, don’t you know that?
Ok, I’ll bite. Here’s one I took in San Francisco, shortly after the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake struck.
Now lets see one of yours!
Is this supposed to impress us? You have some anonymous silhouettes against a house fire. Here, try these https://www.google.com/search?q=silhouettes+and+fire&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=1109&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=naHJVPnoE9H3yQSk5oLoDA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg#tbm=isch&q=silhouettes+and+fire+photos
Thats not how you play this game.
Now lets see one of yours.
No proof of that, but you’re a well known master debater.
Lol. I bet he doesn’t get it.
That’s why he has to master debate.
Tell us how your 16-50 is working out, fool
While a6000 is certainly has really good value, it also can’t do some of things e-m1/e-m5 ii can. And choice of good lenses is extremely limited.
But the a6000 can mount a Tilt & Shift adapter, unlike all of the OM-D cameras.
There are accessory grips you know.
Even less interesting than when you were ‘Yawn’
Try again.
Yawn the five people who are going to buy this toy have my condolences. For their brains…
Thank you… I believe, your brain is not functioning normally… This is 43rumors site. You must have misspelled when typing your favourite toy site 😀 There is nothing you may find interesting here, so…
So many posts. So many names. And nobodys cares.
You have my condolences
Funny how wrong you are. The EM-5 was camera of the year at DPReview, or did you conveniently forget this little fact? The sensor shift high mpix while keeping the same resolution glass is a game changer. Another innovation that will make it’s way into the copycat competition in the coming years. Much like sensor shake dust removal did, and recipirocating screens did, and mirrorless did, and IBIS did. Olympus makes incredible photographic tools. I’m sorry you seem to be very ashamed and uncomfortable with your “tool”.
Being “Camera of the Year,” just like being “Car of the Year” means absolutely nothing. Never has … never will.
Obviously Mr. Yawn doesn’t understand photography.
Soooo, everyone here feels the need to either attack/troll or defend to the death. I shoot MFT and make great images with Olympus cameras. I see some great and crap images with DSLR and Mirrorless. Not quite sure why the tremendous threat that many seem to be feeling from a camera and system they have yet to be required to buy. Remember, every innovation can eventually be copied by the legacy camera companies!
Yes, and the walkman company, too!
Because the E-M5 was an extremely popular camera as is the E-M1. This makes others nervous about their choice. The fact that it’s attracting so much attention from non-owners is a testament to how threatened they feel. I shoot my m43 alongside my D700 and D800. Each system has advantages and disadvantages. Until someone comes out with the perfect camera I’ll continue using both.
Why would you shoot with m43 when you already have a superior system? What does the system offer you, that the DSLR system doesn’t? And don’t say smaller size, because that’s not a photographic quality. Cameras should be chosen based on their photographic capabilities, nothing else.
Because most people, especially you, don’t need medium format.
Silly troll.
“Cameras should be chosen based on their photographic capabilities, nothing else.”….right…so when I got out to a night club with friends, I should bring my D800 with my 24-70mm f2.8 instead of my Sony RX100. I travel to Europe/Asia every year and for 2 to 3 weeks at a time. I have a choice of carrying a D800 + D700 (backup) + my 24-70mm f2.8 + 70-200mm f2.8 at 10+ lbs or my m43 kit which is E-M5 + GX7 + 12-35mm f2.8 + 35-100mm f2.8 + 45mm f1.8 + 25mm f1.4mm at less than 4 lbs. This is in addition to my tablet. Many of the places I visit are places of worship. I can shoot with the E-M5 because it’s so quiet and with the GX7 it can be 100% silent. Try that with a D800/D700 which would wake up the dead.
There are some notable improvements that matter to me: higher resolution LCD and EVF, improved IS, next gen image processor, freeze resistance. But the lack of an improved sensor and PDAF is disappointing. Probably can’t justify upgrading from my original OM-D…sigh…
This is clearly not for existing owners of E-M5, but it is still a nice camera for newcomers to M43.
Lots of disappointed E-M5 owners, as it is the best selling OMD. I don’t think they will wait another 3 years. It’s more likely that they will wait for the next E-M1 II, or they will get a Panasonic GX8, when upgrading.
Doesn’t seem like a great strategy to try to sell only to newcomers and foresake the existing loyal owners, or to try to be smart in a commercial sense, i.e. getting more total sales and market share in a shrinking market.
This seems to be the least exciting OMD release yet, and with the market still so bad and others releasing better cameras or better value cameras (A6000), this E-M5 II may fall a lot in price soon and in 7 months’ time, you can buy it at 40% off the release price. As an E-M5 user, I found it extremely hard to upgrade. I will check the GX8 instead or get the E-M1 for about the same price. New buyers also have other more competitive cameras like the much cheaper Sony A6000 to choose from. If they really like M43, the old E-M5 costs about $500 and can produce photos just as good, except for the gimmicky 8-shot 40MP photos. That novelty will surely wear off quickly when people discover it is only good for things like statues and watch faces, and not for the 90% of things most people shoot.
It might be worth waiting for reviews first, seriously folks.
It’s perfectly possible to assess a camera’s merits based on leaked specs. There is not a single camera review that have changed the initial opinion about a camera. There is nothing worth mentioning about a camera that isn’t mentioned in the specs sheet.
FWIW, A local Olympus dealer told me to expect a firmware upgrade for the E-M1.
Maybe the E-M5II video features?
Hopefully, BUT there’s still no 25p/50p? REALLY? Can someone please, please inform Olympus that there are entire regions of the world where we have 50Hz mains and NEED 25/50p frame rates? Also people use cameras abroad, so we need 24/60p too. What’s not to get? There is zero, and I mean zero excuse for not having world camera frame rates on cameras in 2015.
It might also be possible Olympus could add the new 40MP sensor shift feature…
I think it seems fab camera, apart from this, BTW, just frustrated by the fact Europe sometimes apparently doesn’t exist to whoever designs video features. If they’re added its a camera I would buy.
The first Em5II rumour said:
all common frame rates and video optimized af-algorithm.50Mb/s all 1080p (no 4K recording).
So hopefully that includes 25//50p!
upgrading from a panasonic G6, these specs are already a milestone, not sure for those using an em5 or em10.
Excitement = 0. I don’t know but it’s same as in Canon where you have 550-600-650-700D if you have first one you don’t need the last one. You’ll start looking at higher class for upgrade. But I thought in case of Olympus it will be different. E-M10 looks great as a camera and this new M5 doesn’t make any huge gap between them from my point of view.
Better EVF + 5 axis IBIS + weather sealing. The amazing evf on itself is 200€ better than the one on the e-m5. Still, I’m not buying it unless (C)AF is somehow macigally as good as in e-m1.
“You’ll start looking at higher class for upgrade.”
Yes, of course. That’s the way it’s supposed to work. You upgrade to a model that sits higher up in the line-up, not to another model at the same level as the one you already have. Those are intended for new customers.
The problem with that scheme is that the newcomers get fewer and fewer by the year, since the market is shrinking. The proportion of camera sales that are replacement sales instead of new customer sales is increasing, since general consumers (as opposed to enthusiasts and pros) are leaving the camera market for the smartphone market.
Hmm, interesting to see how this will be priced – AND how it will reflect on the pricing of E-M1. There’s quite a bit overlap already in the specs between this and the top-tier model. Hoping the E-M1 price will become much more reasonable in Europe too (US prices are starting to look OKish these days).
Does anyone know if it will have a mic input?
I have a feeling that the flash sync socket isn’t a flas sync socket 😉
Yes it has mic out put and earphone on grip 😉
Mic out on BODY, sorry.
Thank you!
Just to clarify, do you mean earphone as a standard aux input?
I hope that the Hi-Res composite shooting function will deliver a ORF file, not a JPEG.
It does. A 63 MP one.
It’d better be fail resistant…
My em5 hardly resist to high condition, at -6°C the shutter is noisy et slow down a little bit …
I have not had any problems with my trusty E-M5 both with below -10 degrees Celsius or in wet conditions. I even rinsed off the kit lens under running tap water once. (Attached to the camera body, of course..)
I am curious about the frame buffer size. Any info about that? 9-10 frames as on the old E-M5 is too little in some situations.
Considering it has to move 64MB for the super resolution trick to work, I’d say an 8 frame buffer is the bare minimum.