a new image of the E-m1 (red lines do cover an offensive text written by the image poster)
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I just got this new image of the E-M1. Don’t know what the red marking means (someone can translate it?). And another Omuser E-M1 tester wrote two interesting things:
1) He said that there is almost one stop improvement compared with the E-M5. It means ISO 800 on the E-M1 looks like ISO 400 on the [shoplink 29074]Olympus E-M5[/shoplink].
2) Contrast and Phase detection AF will (or can?) work simultaneously on both FT and MFT lenses.
Our chinese readers may help me to confirm the news. Relying on Google Translation tool isn’t good 🙂
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Great news, but why does the grip looks like it was superglued to the body? The final version will definitely look better!
I am skipping the camera…but I want the lens!
Maybe the superglue dried too fast before they can place it at the correct alignment. 😀
To be honest, I think it was intentional. The keep the OMD styling to the right and “build out” the camera with the grip. This makes it more in-line with the look of the OMD with the first part pf the grip and also retains the very angular industril look of the body.
Personally I like it in this shot and the previous one, but it looked garbage in the video.
That would be my take on it too.
You, my friend, need to get a better screen and stop looking at the world in low res.
Actually this is a bad 3D rendering, which is most likely modeled after the pictures we already know.
I highly doubt that this is Olympus material:
– The front of the lens has no markings at all, which doesn’t seem likely
– The flash symbol on the flash port is mapped (badly), not modeled
– The grip surface structure is cheap CG leather, and a very low quality one
– The grip transition does not look right al all.
Skipped EM5 but this one is beyond mere temptation.
That image looks like a render rather than a photograph. The perspective is wonky around the “prism” housing. It all looks “computer generated” to me
agree totally looks like a 3d render
Today all camera makers make 3d renders to show product, they have all blueprints so that’s 100% exact.
the moment people realize something is CGI, they dont like it.
This rendering is not from Olympus IMO. It’s remodeled from some CG amateur.
Well, a 3D-rendering would not have “wonky” perspective…
A CGI 3D rendering looking “Wonky”?
Ladies and Gentlemen, what you see there is the final product, love it or leave it.
In my opinion, it’s a Monster, in a bad way, both in looks and price.
For someone to pay for this camera over a Nikon D600, Canon 6D, GH3 -Or even a EM-5 is INSANE. And I’m not even goi g ro mention Fuji and Sony -OOPS! I just did…
Mr ALLCAPS
desperation
probably because its an isometric projection not a perspective shot… can get similar results “for real” if you shoot items with very long lens ~200mm equiv should get rid of most perspective.
Interesting that the lens has no markings on the front.
And I always wondered what that little wheel above the lens release button is,
now you can see the flash symbol there.
It’s not a wheel, it’s a cap for the water drain. Best weather proofing to date.
Funny.
ps. Does everybody have such a bad monitor that they can’t see the flash icon on that thing ?
Could that be a remote flash commander then?
Yes, that is what it is.
flash port, like always on E-1/E-3/E-5 and E-30
however, no shutter port like E-1/E-3/E-5
It’s the PC sync plug cap, for studio strobes.
This is a nespresso ™ pod plug in (we’re talking about a revolutionary PRO camera here).
SWWWWEEEEEEETNESS
There are so many false claims about ISO performance from new cameras especially as in all likelihood he is talking about OOC JPEG’s,typically shot in good light.Lets face it anyone that the camera companies are going to trust with new as yet unreleased cameras are going to singing from the same hymn sheet.
I will wait on honest RAW results .Look at the hype about the E-M5 compared to the previous best mFT the GH2 , there was blether about multi-stop improvements when unfortunately the difference no such thing.I have and love my E-M5 but the guys claiming ISO 6400 or whatever are super are not looking at the same low light RAW shots.Turn off the NR and look at the RAW files taken in low light at even ISO 1600 and the noise especially in shadows is not at all nice
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/793|0/%28brand%29/Olympus/%28appareil2%29/677|0/%28brand2%29/Panasonic
>There are so many false claims about ISO performance from new cameras especially as in all likelihood he is talking about OOC JPEG’s,typically shot in good light.
well even if this was the case, and it were true in good light, what would be wrong with that?
>I will wait on honest RAW results .Look at the hype about the E-M5 compared to the previous best mFT the GH2 , there was blether about multi-stop improvements when unfortunately the difference no such thing.
there were others that virtually staked their lives on there being no difference between it and GX1, where are they now?
>I have and love my E-M5 but the guys claiming ISO 6400
nobody put a number on it
>or whatever are super are not looking at the same low light RAW shots.Turn off the NR and look at the RAW files taken in low light at even ISO 1600 and the noise especially in shadows is not at all nice
and thats bullshit
1600 isnt an issue, especially in shadow
> where are they now?
Either anonymous or posting using another alias.
For many, E-M5 quality would have been enough. 1 stop or not, we are talking substantial improvement. No more is needed. Oly did good.
Only an issue is you have not set the exposure correct in the first place and ended up underexposing it. It’s easy enough to get good low light photos shot with a EPL-1 at 1600 leave alone an EM5.
>There are so many false claims about ISO performance from new cameras especially as in all likelihood he is talking about OOC JPEG’s,typically shot in good light.
well even if this was the case, and it were true in good light, what would be wrong with that?
noise reduced high ISO files taken in broad daylight have zero value as a way to determine the use of high ISO in low light where funnily enough it is most needed.
>I will wait on honest RAW results .Look at the hype about the E-M5 compared to the previous best mFT the GH2 , there was blether about multi-stop improvements when unfortunately the difference no such thing.
there were others that virtually staked their lives on there being no difference between it and GX1, where are they now?
I never mentioned the gx1 the E-M5 is clearly better than it.The point was about swallowing BS hype from any camera company do you seriously think that Olympus or Nikon or Canon or Sony would let anyone other than a true blue member of the gang get their hand on a per-release model no chance no how
>I have and love my E-M5 but the guys claiming ISO 6400
nobody put a number on it
That’s OK then ISO 200 is awesome
>or whatever are super are not looking at the same low light RAW shots.Turn off the NR and look at the RAW files taken in low light at even ISO 1600 and the noise especially in shadows is not at all nice
and thats bullshit
1600 isnt an issue, especially in shadow
Some are happy with a p&s ISO 1600 some are unhappy with a D4 funny ole world it is almost as if some guys have different opinions.You are happy with your E-M5 at high ISO I am not with mine nothing up with that
The thing is Q it could be that the issue at 1600 iso is user rather than the camera.
Yes ,that’s right Stu5 all those pro sport shooters opting for larger sensors because of the better high ISO are all untalented suckers.Imagine all that money and weight when you could simply have an E-M5 12-50 matched with a 75-300. It’s the photographer that counts right who needs fast C-AF,who needs fast high end lenses ,who needs good high ISO.
Anyway the so is questions now, is the sensor an E-M5 sensor or an GX7.
I waiting for the properly spec. 😉
Im told its not
Anyway i think sensor in E-M1 is the same so is in GX7. 😀
Don’t think that is the case. I believe the GX7 is a Panasonic sensor and this one is a Sony Sensor.
Joy to the world as the EM1 arrives!!!
Hurra!!! Hurra!!!
IM WITH YOU ALL THE WAY Arise SIR Olympus
Important summary for our readers.
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List of nicknames this camera got in this forum over the various posts:
1) OBS – One Beautiful System (and it seems it delivers that!)
2) The Dark Knight (for black model only, presumably)
3) The Black Beauty (as of above)
4) The Great Mazinger (not sure about this ..can someone educate me/us?)
..and various others such as “mean machine” and the like
(Note that OBS might refer to more cameras in the future)
What’s your favorite?!
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Mazinger Z was a giant robot from a Japanese cartoon. Great Mazinger was it’s more powerful successor.
The Knight Who Says Ni!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV4poUZAQo
looks more like a tall CV 42.5 mm f/0.95 who says NI NI NI
Complimentary shrubbery in the the box bundled with every em1 perhaps?
Definitely the Dark Knight*
*But Bale not Affleck.
Darth Vader would be more appropriate.
I will call it The King, and it’s part of OBS.
Dart Vader is pretty sweet, too… “Hang on, have to grab Darth before we go to that concert!”
There’s just one rightful nickname… The Frankenstein! This is how I am going to call it.
tz
How bout
The wallet crusher…or
The legotastic….or
The great black hype
All I need to know is what the video codec and frame rates will be for this camera! Anyone?
Agree. But no word so far may mean no upgrade compared to previuos models 🙁
You might be better off with Panasonic when it comes to video. That’s why I still lean towards Panasonic. I like how video performs and they aren’t really that far behind when it comes to photos. I just never trust their JPEG engine. They’re fine when you always shoot RAW.
FYI the 5-axis mechanical ibis is almost a revolution in the video industry, but don’t know why Olympus is not exploring it. I have a GH2 and a GH3 for my pro video work, and had an E-M5 in the past. The video that come out from E-M5 is beautiful, but has flaws, unacceptable in a professional environment. That’s why we are asking… so much!!! Here’s a comparison I did myself: https://vimeo.com/51538858
that e-m5 video smash the gh2 video in IQ. Maybe the lens?.
@admin, the text has been translated 2 times on yesterday post’s comments, so you can get it fully there. That’s cantonese, that’s why the translate google is not good.
I can’t believe this information, before I get a proof.
In any case, the most important question for ISO Comparison: is ISO 800 really ISO 800 or is it closer to ISO 640 or even lower?
I guess, the E-M5 ISO Setting is lower, than indicated.
“I can’t believe this information, before I get a proof.” It’s a rumor.
FT5
Rumor.
I thought, this information comes from a user? I didn’t know, it was invented.
Judging by your last comment, you really should check the definition of “rumor”.
I believe FT5 means rumor CONFIRMED!
I think we can interpret this as a trusted source (FT5) saying that he/she feels that they are seeing a 1-stop advantage (ISO 800 looks like ISO 400) when testing the EM-1 camera, as compared to the EM-5. (Or maybe they were told that by Olympus folk) To me, even if that source is not lying and can be trusted, it’s like a photography friend of mine saying “Dude! I swear that my EM1’s 800 looks like my EM5’s 400!” I can only believe they think they see some improvement, but I don’t know to what degree they are right.
I hear this as “maybe an improved sensor (beyond the PDAF support), probably improved processing.” Which seems to line up with what Olympus has done in the past with the E-PEN series before the EM5. They make a few adjustments to processing and they make focusing much better. Here, with the EM1, they are also making the body components and the features PRO and in a 2013 way (wifi control and remote VF, etc).
If it were FT1 or FT2, I might doubt that the source of the rumor has the EM-1 in the first place, and is just making stuff up to entertain him/herself.
bob is right.
One of my Olympus contacts who has been involved with the development of this camera claims a 2/3 stop difference in iso performance.
FT5?
Admin’s rumor classification has to see with the probability of a rumor being correct. A “confirmed rumor” would be essentially a “fact”.
“Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct”
Vlad, sure, that is what the admin writes, but how does one really assess that, and is that number/percentage even meaningful for all rumored statements?
I like this rumor site just fine— visit it religiously— and feel that the admin puts a lot of real effort into getting this information for us. I think he has gotten to know his sources and has a gut sense of what he means by the FT1 through FT5 ratings. And we’ve seen a lot of rumors here play out true or close to what was rumored.
I don’t think that means that I should take the “FT1 = 1-20% chance of being correct”, etc seriously.
I think FTx can mean “bad vs good source” or “crazy rumor or pretty damn solid” or “too early and hard to verify” or “few vs. lots of people think this” or “wouldn’t it be cool if…” or “plans are in the works but not committed” or “it’s possible that…” or or or
the link you provided shows the original language is japanese, they also refered to the omuser.com thread.
translation for point 1 is correct.
as to point 2, i do not see on omuser.com post that the hybrid-af work for mft lens, it only says hybrid-af works generally in c-af mode. in other modes depending on what kind of lens is mounted either pdaf or contast-af will be used.
This image is showing a different camera with the one we see with the 12-40 lens. This one looks more like the first leaked video.
The finishing of the hump, should be like E-5 ish like the one we see E-M1 with the 12-40 lens. This one is like… E-m5 glued to E-5 grip.
The red japanese text is just offensive, nothing deal with the picture, since i don’t know the original picture, i don’t know why it’s there..
Mazinger is a very popular and famous manga mecha robot with history that dates back to the 70s. It was written that the mecha was made with fictitious chogokin (super alloy) and die cast metal toys in those days are branded that way.
Super alloy -I like that!!!
..What was its most powerful weapon?? (presumably to beat up the aliens/baddies)
As of this camera I would say the CAF-PDAF is the most powerful “feature”!
Mazinger’s killers moves are rocket lauching fists, high intensity chest beams that melt all forms of metal and rust hurricane that turns all metal to dust.
Imagine what damage that would do to an army of D800s
Hi Admin,
1st point: Same as ur translation.
2nd point: The other focusing method like S-AF or etc need to depend on the lens u are using. Only C-AF can work simultaneously with Contrast and Phase detection AF.
This will set the cat amongst the Canikon DSLR pigeons – if they have truly merged FT and MFT lens coupling electronics, and you if already own some of the good FT glass this is a slam dunk. Wonder what the total retrofit market size is.
probably we should start shopping for old 43 glass before it skyrockets on ebay..
@ anonymous
I’ve looked lately on ebay for a heavily discounted used 150f2 in excellent condition and can’t find anything.
I see no fire sale going on anywhere.
That’s the only SHG lens I ever wanted but didn’t purchase because the predicament I found the 43 system in.
Getting a good deal has never been easy, no matter what the haters say. This is why you can safely conclude OBS is alive as a system.
so camera can be use for duck face in dark toilets 🙂
The Fixer visits Full Frames basement. 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr-P9xcifT4
1 stop improvement over EM5 or around there is tempting if the report is true .
The EM1 worth the name of , OMD Pro .
The only setback for the camera for me is the design .
More appeal to DSLR type & that not good looking grid , more aimed for E5 or DSLR holders .
–What? your only problem with this camera is the design? And what about the sensor you were bitching around for ages on this forum???
Even Yun surrendered to the EM1! Is that possible??
His problem is he ordered a GX7.
I see. He’s gonna enjoy his.. Erh Tiltable EVF, then. I will snatch on of these instead. In black.
E-M1新功能: 全自動HDR(不是Art10)。 有Natural, Vivid兩個模式。
應該係一次過影幾張既包圍HDR，但拍攝時卻感覺不到快門有連續動作，不排除是應用了電子快門。
當然與其它機種一樣，這種HDR 建議只for 靜態拍攝。
E-M1 new function: Full Auto HDR with 2 modes. Natural and Vivid.
It suggest a 1-shot HDR which utilises electronic silent shutter.
How likely is the phase detection AF thingie trickling down to the future Pen and OM-D cameras?
I understand 5-axis stabilizer and weather-proofing actually do not transfer easily to smaller, cheaper cameras. But when it’s just the sensor (as is the pohase detection AF in this case), I see no reason for it not to. Unless there’s a significant price increase?
>How likely is the phase detection AF thingie trickling down to the future Pen and OM-D cameras?
I would say, due to the persistent need to boost sensor volume
more likely than not
8) 再三強調，暫無計劃推出E-5 的後繼，也沒計劃推出新ZD鏡，但現有ZD鏡頭是一直繼續保持生產。
8) No plan for E-5 successor nor new 4/3 zd lenses but production will continue with zd lenses.
What about silver body?
4) E-M1已預載齊所有ZD 和MZD 的鏡頭不同光圈及中央邊緣解像力資料，因此作出優化(數碼修正)時不會出現over sharpness 情況
4) E-M1 is equipped with all ZD and mZD lens data which includes centre and corner sharpness and resolving profiles to fully optimise it’s software correction and prevents (over sharpening) effects.
1 stop improvement over EM5?
it is pointless if they are talking about JPEG
and it is not really possible for 1 stop improvment of raw performance over EM5
it cannot be FT5..
possibly talking about DR not noise
Even if just JPG nothing to scoff about.. Bring it on, baby come home to daddy..
Only possible gotcha with better JPEG high ISO is that it always means lower detail.I don’t care as I am a low ISO shooter and would much prefer a real 50ISO and screw you black cat in a coal shed guys ,get your asses out in the damn sun :-)Ideally I would like a low ISO camera optimized for low ISO image quality
Marketing says: no way in hell.
It is funny how the huge arguments rage about high ISO and so many want more, more, more ! yet when you look at any photo sharing site you are lucky if 1 shot in a hundred is over 400 ISO.Obviously if you are a cat in a coal shed specialist or joking aside shoot a lot of moving subjects in really poor light I get it but that is a tiny fraction of photography yet it dominates the development of sensors .
I can only say it’s likely to come next, after the high iso craze has faded. I would imagine bodies like the E-M1 will lead the way in the m43 world with proper “lo iso” settings before we get true lower base isos.
DR may be limited, but on my DP2s iso 50 also works miracles (almost) with the same trade-off. With my venerable E-P1, iso < 200 helps with grainy skies a little.
Which is merely convenience, technically it adds totally nothing when compared to overexposing iso 200 and then pulling the result in pp.
Sure the convenience has its value, but its totaly possible to achieve the same results without it.
For that matter, an nd filter is technically a better solution, as would a low base iso.
Too much light is easily solved by the photographer with help of an nd filter, which does not affect the scene. Too little light can’t be solved withou affecting the scene (by adding more light) hence high iso is technically more relevant for most photographers.
Longer exposure time helps also, and Olympus’ IBIS really helps here.
Anyway, high ISO will never create light where there’s no light… This craze’ll have to stop one day 😉
No, but it does allow making better use of the available light.
This shit is pretty baller, if it truly has better dynamic range, fast FT focusing and a way to control, view and take the image from an ipad (like the leaked engadget video) – then I will likely be getting it to go along with my EM5.
EM5 + 20 mm f/1.7
EM1 + 50 mm f/2.0
and 12-40 f/2.8 (if sample images look good)
and 75 mm f/1.8 (eventually)
Why is the grip not in level with the rest of the body? The leather is in different position in the grip and in the body. It looks quite bad. Or maybe it means the grip is detachable? That would maybe save this design.
About the ISO performance.. I would expect that as far as mft sensor size goes, ISO performance has certain limits set by the laws of physics. If they “improve” ISO performance, some noise reducing artifacts will probably appear in the images. It will be interesting to see sample photos of course.
>The leather is in different position in the grip and in the body.
its rubber, the same as E5
The image shown above is either a render (and not a very good one), or a badly photoshopped prototype. I wouldn’t give it any credence. We have already seen better and more realistic images. Like anything tied to rumors and anonymous submissions, take it with a grain of salt. We’ll have the real details soon enough.
I think you should take a closer look at those other images & notice that this is a true ‘rendition’ of the camera.
well, it’s a grip, so the best guess would be ergonomics. I doubt it is hot on their list to fix because a hand will cover that flaw.
You’re just seeing the complete detail of what the camera actually is instead compressed video shots as before. It is made that way & the grip has to be higher to make the grip tall enough to be used. The add on grip for the E-M5 is lower by 10mm because that is added to the bottom instead. The shoulders on the E-M1 are a little higher than the E-M5 too.
My guess is that it’s because the index finger on most people is much longer than the thumb, so the buttons and the dial and the shutter need to be higher than the rear dial. If you look at other bodies with an even grip, the rear wheel is lower down in the back.
I would have sacrificed those few millimeters myself, but we have been vocal about having better ergo, especially the large-handed folks.
There is one design quirk that bothers me, which is that the metal band above the leather on the grip is thinner than the band on the body. You can barely see in this photo, but the two bands don’t meet up neatly in that valley, creating a little point in the leather. I can’t think of a good reason to do that. Also, the band on the grip is slanted, while the band on the body is level. Ah, well. These kinds of things used to be common on camera bodies. Now we’re being too picky, I think.
This is a rendition, a close look at the ‘Penta Prism’ will show there is no crackle effect visible an the flat surface, which can be clearly seen on the original images, see here
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-first-picture-of-the-new-12-40mmf-2-8-olympus-mft-lens/
Well Darth vader is a villian and I don’t see that working but Dark Knight fits.
Em1 being the small, dark anti-hero mirrorless protagonist, well yeah….
I’ll just call it riddick! Slay those FF’s from the dark.
It should be Mazinger. this is a Japanese product after all.
What the heck.. Riddick? Batman?! No no.. マジンガ!!!!!
Check this out
http://randychen.deviantart.com/art/Great-Mazinger-85322252
slayin’ all those supercumbersome and superbulky DSLRs ah ah ah!!!
Please. Darth Vader was fully redeemed in RotJ, his mischievous attitude was just part of growing up. Usually I stay on topic, but this cannot stand.
One stop or half a stop, jpeg or raw, it’ll kill the e5 I use to have and the e3 and ep3 I still have and may possibly even push aside my x-e1 as well.
Regardless it’ll be an upgrade I can’t wait for with so many features I’ve never tasted before to use with all my 43 and m43 glass and that’s synergy on another level!
The samurai is loosing it – mind the sword, folks! 😀
@Anonymous
If sensor is all I about to after ,
I should not miss up the great D800 too .
Is the compactness & RF style that make me fall in love in mFT .
No doubt , the EM1 is tempting if really capable of 1 full stop improvement , definitely a great achievement before all heading to game changing sensor , yes an organic sensor .
And when will we hear if it can do 24p?
Never! You and your pathetic tiny snesor
Are those TWO (2) turn wheel on the dial mode?
No.
Why is there a split then? What do you make of it?
It’s just to look pretty, to break up the longer vertical lines look of the knurling & to add a little more interest to the appearance.
Exactly.
BUT DOES IT SHOOT 24P??!?!
So that rumor brings it to par with GX7 IQ rumor. Yay. I’ll probably wait till it trickles down to the E-PL7; Olympus has been good with sticking to the best sensor they have.
I hope Sony does not sell the sensor improvement to Nikon for a while. It’d be nice to have a new bragging right for a few months. 🙂 This does bode really well for the a3000 and the NEX-FF!
why because nikon make way better cameras and better lens …your comment just show that your are a stupid fan boy
Running out of steam
Summer school improves English
Yet I stayed at home
Sony will sell it to anyone who gives them the money. Also, Aptina has access to all Sony sensor patents so Nikon could get a similar sensor from Aptina.
that’s a weird statement. it’s very unlikely that this is the same sensor and it has almost 1 stop of improvement, something is wrong there.
OR this is the same sensor – without the AA filter and with PDAF – and it has basically the same performance OR this is NOT the same sensor and it has almost one stop of improvement.
it can’t be both.
It can’t be the same sensor, since it has PDAF. PDAF requires a different sensor.
not EXACTLY the same, but basically the same sensor with PDAF, as reported on rumors and as it was done by Fuji, Canon and Sony.
Likely significantly improved from past effort due to the implementation of Aptina sensor patent designs (Nikon 1).
first, it doesn’t work like that. it takes time, it’s not like you have a partnership and all of sudden you are already implementing the new patents. and if it was the case, then this wouldn’t be called the same sensor – by sources -, they would say it’s a new sensor.
We’ll probably never know. I bet that the one stop better is due to a refinement in the Jpeg engine, possibly by an improvement in denoising. That in turn warrants no AA filter.
First time I hear that camera has a databank of lenses, in order to optimise correction, but it makes sense. By the same token the camera can decide which AF system to use, depending on the lens recorded.
CDAF+PDAF males sense in CAF, since it introduces a predictive element on the movement of target. Better tracking because of faster processing. The latter needed also to power VF-4 refresh.
The most interesting is the PDAF-on- Sensor. But will Oly explain? In the past it has always been v. jealous about sensor information.
Sensor has problably included designs from Aptina, now that Sony has access to Aptina sensor patents. This is likely how the sensor has fast on-sensor PDAF like the Nikon 1 (Aptina sensor). But I haven’t seen anything from the Aptina sensors to suggest a 1 stop improvement in high ISO.
I agree I think this is a render and does not look like the pictures of
the E-M1 posted with the new lens. Even the rubber grip appears different,
and not as shiny or finished as the current OMD.
A magnified look at the camera strap holder makes it appear even less authentic.
Also looking at where the lens meets the body something is just not right.
I really hope this is a fake as IMO it looks like one of the first leaked pictures of
the camera and a definite step backwards in appearance.
We know it’s a render. And we know it’s ugly. Already over it. 🙂
Performance like phase detect and possible new sensor is the interesting part.
And when/if you’re using it you’re going to be looking through the awesome viewfinder or at the back anyway. So far seems like it would be a joy to use and definitely a step up. All that matters. 😀
If we skip the looks and assume that AF and IQ are top notch, we can only bitch about price. But even that seems pretty much ok (unless video is really subpar).
What remains is the fact it isn’t FF, yet scares the hell out of some FF fanboys.
Conclusion: without FF fanboys, there wouldn’t be much to discuss here.
How many phase detection points will the camera have? Will all or any of these be able to do true phase detection type continuous tracking?
35
That’s an impressive amount of phase detection points with continuous tracking.
Looks like this camera is really going to close the gap between dSLR and mirrorless.
Now I’m curious about what Olympus will do with 4/3 glass. Will people keep buying it? Will Olympus keep manufacturing it?
Looks like some of the 4/3 glass will be updated.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52071880
@Steve
can I say I told you so… 🙂
YES! Now is the time. Keep saying it.
“For sports and wildlife, FF will be obliterated in five years time.” — 43rumors.com comment, August 2013
That’s weird. Why would they update the lenses if they don’t have a proper body to use them on…? It would only make sense if the E-7 was coming out.
Not if it meant recreating these type of lenses in a native mFT mount
The only issue I see there is recreating the lenses in m43rds involves a complete redesign, while updating the current lenses could simply mean new motors on the existing design.
I have always said it would ber very unlikely that olympus would develop these lenses again so soon and at a time when camera sales are down. However to those that want them they represent superb quality at a good price (for what they are).
It looks like they’ll be announcing a proper body to use them on around September 10/11, regardless of your naysaying.
You can install a hook on a Ford Fiesta, but you’re not going to have a great time towing a trailer.
Somdeday you’ll realize the horse and buggy you like have been depricated by cars. Smaller, more convenient and better for almost everything.
One day you wake up and realize your fear for the EVF are just that, unreasonable fear for change.
One day you will wake up and realize you have denied yourself very interesting possibilities due to out of hand rejecting things that are different from what you used so far.
Until that day, I pity you for your self imposed isolation from progress.
And some day you will stop being a slave to fashion and trends, which is what m4/3 is. Some day you will (hopefully) stop being a fanboy and grow up.
Someday you’ll ask yourself why you jumped to the “digital photography” bandwagon, and you’ll realize how weak your arguments are.
Do you remember when your were a kid and you were listening to those ancients (maye your parents) who were telling you that “everything was better in old times”? What were you telling yourself then? And don’t tell me it never happened…
And you Mr Anonymoose, do you have a proper body?
Don’t think this will happened…
C-AF on mFT lenses works on combination of CDAF & PDAF. That is all.
Come on O, trow them a bone about video performance and if it will do 24p and PAL formats. Please.
Video specs, pleaseeeeee
The manufacturer is still focus on still photography at this point of time.
Hmmm strategic misstake. With GH-3 class video and if all other leaked specs are true, they would have a real masterpeace, that could compete with the big boys.
This is “Getting it right”. Oly takes its time…
…which wold not such a problem if Oly would ever actually update features in firmware updates, which they rarely do.
Missing 25/50 FPS is a deal breaker for video in europe, and missing 24p for many film lovers… So this little setting alone would sell thousands of additional units.
“focus on stills” really means “bad at video”.
One reason why I am so keen to get my hands on a good video codec on the EM-1 is the IBIS!! This is a huge game changer! it allows people to get good footage where otherwise it would be impossible without a huge rig. I shoot stock video for a living and there are many times I can’t carry a huge rig to some locations, the IBIS is killer for this. I also love Oly skin tones and colors for video as well. I would be happy with AVCHD 2.0 I would faint for ProRes, can you imagine a camera like this with ProRes, now that would be a game changer! If it is decent then I will go Oly if not then GH3 here I come.
+10000000000000
may you want this cam = GX7 sensor on hi-birate + vdeo raw + best ergonomic
I shoot an interview today with a e-m5 because it was the only Camera left at the office. It looks so good and steady its unbelivable. BUT the codec and framerate makes it almost unusable.
PLEASE OLYMPUS! Ive said it many times on different forums, fix this and you will change the game forever!
Agreed. A decent video codec with the 5-axis will be amazing. Oly, don’t let Sony be first with it.
At this rate I am afraid Sony might be the first, but with RX1 price tag ($2500) for body only
Sensors are not the only factor with noise. A processor has a lot to do with total image quality and noise.
Now that we have PDAF, can we get a native m43 long telephoto prime? Like, 300 f/4? Please? It’s the only lens type truly missing from m43.
+1. A lighter long prime was also missing from the 4/3 camp. The 150mm f2 + 2xtc is not good enough quality.
Another +1. F4 is small enough for travel yet long enough for wildlife, especially with a 2x converter.
That’s exactly the use I have in mind. I think if they don’t go too crazy on built quality, it could be done at 700 g weight. The danger is that oly will make it, and then it will be f/2.8, super-nice, but heavy and expensive. We need a relatively light-weight telephoto; that’s the whole point of the system.
Olympus already has a 300mm f2.8
A 300/4 would still require a front element of at least 75mm, so you’d be looking at a 80mm diameter at least.
That’s OK. 77 mm filter size, like the canikon 300 f/4s.
Oly should really be more aware that good video + 5axis IBIS is far more important than, say built in HDR.
BTW its peerless to see diehards at DPR 1022 realizing bit by bit that they will have to swallow a m4/3 camera or be without a body.
The contention about the vagaries of the EVF by the leftover birders is priceless, and so about the sturdiness of the adapter. They look like 3d World houswives discovering the microwave oven, and despising it as deeply 🙂
The vigor with which you enjoy the brutality of the old guard’s reality check is really something – amazing to read your comments week in and week out. Having read a few posts by 4/3 DLSR die hards (“all 15 of us are off to Canikon!”, one sobbed) I sometimes can imagine your elation.
Anyway, the content and quality of many of your other posts are indicative of a catharsis of sorts, so I reckon it is – alas – a matter of winners and losers. Some people think life is all about choices. Choices are actions and as we all should know, all actions have consequences (like feeling the need to switch to Canon or Nikon).
Anyway, congratulations to you and I hope the Oly DLSR team will be good losers in the end. Would be good to let bygones be bygones. Not now, of course, but in a few weeks time. 🙂
Another translation attempt, hopefully to reveal a few more interesting bits from the source post.
— begin quote —
Compilation completed. Below is my friend’s additional information report:
(Let me emphasize again: The following information is for reference only. Final information should refer to official announcements.)
1)
E-M1 still is 16M-pixel.
2)
12-40 has no power zoom.
3)
E-M1 will have ISO low setting like E-P5, which means under ISO 200. However it will just show “low”, and you will not know exactly how low the ISO is. But I heard that the low ISO setting will be determined based on the environment. E.g. in bight daylight it may just go down to ISO 160, in a dark night it may go down to say ISO 100 …
4)
E-M1 is preloaded with all ZD and M.ZD lenses information about different apertures and center/edge resolution. Therefore during optimization (digital correction) it will not do over-sharpening.
ISO performance is roughly one level better than E-M5, which means E-M1’s ISO 800 = E-M5’s ISO 400.
5)
E-M1 new feature: fully automated HDR (not “Art 10”). There are two modes: natural and vivid. This should be the kind of HDR that takes multiple pictures in one shot. However when taking the shot I did not feel that there were multiple shutter operations. It may be that it utilizes electronic shutter. Of course like other models, this kind of HDR is recommended for static photography.
6)
Another major advance is the use of Hybrid AF during C-AF (continuous tracking AF mode). Hybrid AF = Contrast AF + Phase Diff AF operating at the same time. In other focus modes, it will evaluate which lens is installed and automatically choose to use either Contrast AF or Phase Diff AF. Only in C-AF it will use the combination of both.
7)
From now on the Micro 4/3 bodies will be divided into these product lines:
OM-D series:
For professional / advanced users. Therefore E-M5 being the advanced-grade body will definitely have a successor.
PEN series:
E-Px is for advanced, minimalist, stylish users.
E-PLx is the real entry-level line.
E-PMx is minimalist, stylish and entry-level.
8)
Reemphasizing once again, currently there is no plan for an E-5 successor, and no plan for a new ZD lens. However production of existing ZD lens will continue.
9)
40-150 constant f2.8 is planned, but will be released next year. It will look like the Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED.
— end quote —
Thanks. Oly is made the right choices so far. The only worry (for some at least) is video performance. IBIS + hybrid AF and subpar video would make an interesting combination. 😉
Thanks for the clarity of these comments. It all makes sense now.
The only thing that matters to me in this camera is a dramatic video improvement, which sadly lags the photo side. IBIS is a videographers dream, why they don’t exploit the very best thing about the E-M5 is beyond me. Looks like I’ll have to buy the NEX FF instead, or wait for a GH successor to have IBIS. Or, step to the 5DM3 which I’ve been trying to avoid.
Video Specs ?
Video Specs?
Video Specs?
I would imagine now that the Panasonic vs Olympus gloves are off:
– Panasonic introduced in body IS
– Olympus can improve the video specs
It’s a full on war between m4/3 companies.
There is lots of competition between all the different camera makers, but m43 users benefit the most as they take best of Oly(Sony) AND Pana(Fuji).
Anyways, if the video did not improve with EM1, I’m sure it will improve with the next camera (EM7 or new Pens).
On the contrary, i believe they finally stopped competing.
A certain “O” has claimed that the main emphasis has been on still photos, not on video. This may suggest little improvement in the video part.
Of course, anyone can call themselves “O”, and I don’t know how well informed “O” is.
Read his previous posts. I think he is (informed).
+ 1 !
Video specs of the E-M1 and the M.Zuiko 12-40mm f.2.8
Can’t wait to get my hands on one! Hybrid AF for continuous AF sounds interesting. Hopefully it works better than my E-5.
It would be awesome if this camera had hi-quality video specs, but I’m not counting on it, based on Olympus’ history with video. Again, this camera would kill, if it had quality bit rates and frame rates. over/under cranking options would be nice, too. The lack of any video statistical announcements has me a bit concerned.
Hi guys, can anyone tell me if these 43 and M43 lenses focus by wire, or they have a mechanical focus ring?
SWD lens have a mechanical focus couple.
Thanks. And what about M43 lenses?
May this be the time that I buy a mirrorless? This thing seems to have nice control dials, and its tech must be ripe by now. Will it fit into a pocket with a 28/80 F4 zoom attached? Can I use it with the Odin transmitter for Canon? Maybe only in manual mode?
“Will it fit into a pocket with a 28/80 F4 zoom attached?”
If you find yourself one of the Lumix 14-42pz lenses and have somewhat big pockets, maybe. don’t think you’ll like the optical quality of that lens much tho.
It’s the depth of the EVF that kills it. That’s why I went to the E-P5. The GX7 “might” work if you tilt the EVF up and put it in your pocket with the 20mm or 14mm panasonic. I currently can pocket the E-P5 + 20mm Panny sans EVF in a Jeans pocket no problem.
Thanks guys. What about the Odin? Maybe only in manual mode?
Dono the odin, but iirc its a radio trigger for flashes that does ttl.
Problem is that Olympus/Panasonic/Leica use a pin layout on the hotshoe that conflicts with what Canon does. Pins in the same places but with entirely different uses.
This makes an off-camera cord for Canon work very well also for oly/pana/leica, but it also makes it somewhat dangerous to put canon flashes or other items for the canon hotshoe on such cameras. Make sure only the central pin and the shoe itsel are exposed however and they should work in manual mode. Not sure if this works for your odin, but using a bit of tape on the contacts would allow trying this on your canon camera, as the real question is if it will work with only the flash sync being there.
Alternatively, use the pc connector.
Sony can help for video HD and 4K…
For all the moaning about the looks of it, in the 5 Olympus cameras I have bought, I have never had a problem with build quality, certainly been better than all except the top line Canikon bodies. The way the grip sits up is intentional, and I think that the final product that the join in the corner will be gone, but even if it isn’t a couple of days after using it, you won’t even notice it. The only disappointment for me is it looks like they didn’t fix the way the flash is attached
what about video spec , its gonna be very average isn’t it , no rumour on average stuff i guess
It is amazing the number of people here who look at images in low res and complain about the product quality and build they cannot see. These are also the same people who complain about ISO noise, IQ, small sensor and DOF etc. How would they know when everything shows up so badly. These are also the ones who seem to pick up on other low res addicts complaints. (hive mentality?)
Most of them probably only recognise images of their wife because that’s what the button they pressed said, so that’s what they expect and therefore see.
My last post was not to say the image above is not a generated image ( it shows a flat smooth paint and leather look that does not fit earlier shots). It mainly refers to the trend of comments since the first pictures came out.
Why has it gone to moderation?
“My last post was not to say the image above is not a generated image ( it shows a flat smooth paint and leather look that does not fit earlier shots). It mainly refers to the trend of comments since the first pictures came out.”
I don’t see anything untoward here.
Well said Jim. 🙂
+1 Jim
Wait!!! They have wives? You mean they can procreate? Yikes!
Oh no more “a stop better”, pls.
same old same old, every olympus is “a stop better”. If we could add up all the “one stop better” we should have clean image at 512000 already. olympus is not leading inventor of sensors. History told us: whatever they do, best case is they can catch up with the leading group.
Yes, it could be just as much a disappointment as the E-M5 rumours turned out to be.
Oh wait…
“Yes, it could be just as much a disappointment as the E-M5 rumours turned out to be”
Damn straight we heard about huge improvements in high ISO compared to previous mFT we got a 1/3rd of a stop, we heard it was as good as FF it isn’t even close ,we heard it had better C-AF it didn’t.We heard it had an amazing EVF we got the same old 1.44 Epson model with better processing power.We also got dreadful ergonomics and a pretty dull fake retro design.
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/793|0/%28brand%29/Olympus/%28appareil2%29/814|0/%28brand2%29/Nikon/%28appareil3%29/677|0/%28brand3%29/Panasonic
Yeah sure. Despite all that, it still sells well, got many “awards”, and was adopted by many photographers.
Now imagine how it’ll be for the EM-1 since it’s annouced to be revolutionary 🙂
I don´t really care about the stop better.. The Photo quality is already pretty good, the revolutionary thing could be their FT/MFT usage and better video capabilites…read somewhere else that Olympus was very much aware of the lack of video possibilites of the EM-5.. Oly seller said they wanted to safe video features for a later pro camera… guess that would be this one…
don´t think they implant a 10bit codec though… 10bit + Ibis = extremly tempting
5 Axis IBIS gave 5 stops better ISO. Have you noticed, the argument used to be that the E-M5 couldn’t match APS-C until reality exploded that myth to the point even the trolls don’t bother anymore, then the decriers said, but it’s not as good as FF, not realising the incredible compliment that was. Then there were comparisons with the 5D Mk III – oh shit, better make the the D800 then…
What is with the pocketable obsession? Maybe just get bigger pockets
(Reminder: following is for reference only. Official information from Olympus will be consider as official)
1) E-M1 is still 16mp
2) 12-40 has no power zoom
3) E-M1 will have ISO low function as E-P5, which is under ISO200. It will be shown low, do know how low is low. rumours says it will adjust in respond to the environment. e.g. in sunny day it maybe ISO160, at night maybe set as ISO100, something like that.
4) E-M1 can use ZD and MZD lens with different aperture with lens center and corner information, thus it can improve (digital correction/enhancement) to prevent over sharpening situation. ISO performance is roughly 1 stop better. e.g. E-M1 ISO800 = E-M5 ISO400
5) E-M1 new function: full auto HDR (not Art 10). have Natural and Vivid two mode. Could be continues shot by one press of shutter release to get the HDR, but during shooting, will not feel shutter is releasing continuously. it could be using electronic shutter. same as other model, HDR is only for still subject shooting.
6) Another improvement is the C-AF (continues tracking AF) will use Hybrid AF. Hybrid AF – Contrast-AF + Phase Diff-AF working concurrently. For other AF mode, it will automatically select between either Contrast AF or Phase Diff-AF based on attached lens. Only C-AF has hybrid AF.
7) in the future, M43 body will divided into following line:
OM-D series
For professional or advanced amateur users, thus E-M5 will have successor.
PEN series:
E-PX – simple stylish user
E-PLX – new serious user
E-PMX – simple serious user
8) emphasis, there is no plan to release E-5 successor, and no plan to release new ZD lens, but existing ZD lenses will be in production.
9) Plan to release 40-150 f2.8 constant aperture, but release only next year, the exterior look black.