And now we also have a nice picture form the top of the E-M1 + 12-40mm lens combo. You like it?
P.P.S.: I like the camera more and more. My only real worry is the price 🙁
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like it, I LOVE it….
What a beauty!
Agree! If test shows that it’s as good as the rumors say, I will order one as soon as possible + the battery grip. Not shure about the lens yet or if I should continue saving for the4/3 300/2.8 instead.
take the 300, it´s brilliant for wildlife
Thanks for the info, arthur. It will take a couple of years to save for one, but I think I’m going to follow your advice.
Should I sell my E-M5… Hmmz…
wait for the new sensors in about 2 years or a camera with global shutter (so no shutter shock problem) 😉
This is what I’ve been telling myself. We’ll see if the GAS wins out though.
Describe this shutter shock problem, post examples of images affected by it.
google is your friend, no problem to find sites discussing/discribing this problem 😉
No, I don’t want talk, I want evidence. Post some or it’s just talk.
Fantastic! Grip looks super nice and would look to be comfortable to hold one handed between shots. The first day it’s available for preorder, I’m placing mine.
I’m not sure a true high-end DSLR, even full-frame, is bigger than E-M1 + this huge lens for equivalent lenses.
I am sure. Seems you missed a recent post by Daav (I think), actually comparing m43, APS-C and FF. Maybe you should investigate more, and have a look at the engadget video.
Some people like to make up comparisons but that is par for the course on the internet these days.
I had actually compared long lenses (40-150 and equivalent angles of view) before but here is one with EM-5, GH3, Nikon D7100 and Nikon D800. Since the 12-40 is not yet in the comparison data base, I had to use the 12-35 Panasonic. The EM-1 is very slightly larger then the EM-5, mostly in the body width (a few millimeters) and of course deeper where the permanent grip is. It is smaller then the GH3 (shown).
Safe to say that the 12-40 will be some bigger then the 12-35, but visually the from the top photo shows not hugely so.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#289.336,381.336,440.322,290.327,ha,t
“Some people like to make up comparisons but that is par for the course on the internet these days.”
Isn’t it funny? There is plenty of subjective issues in photography, but some people can’t even read specs properly.
@cat
you are delusional.
Go find a 24-80 equiv FF body+lens combination that is less than twice the size of the above…step up to the challenge or shut up.
An equivalent FF lens would be a 24-80 f/5.6.
http://imgur.com/FP1nFy9
You don’t need to make up things to defend what is actually a nice camera-lens combo (with its shortcomings, just like any system). The E-M1 has grown on me and has gone from uglier camera ever (the first pics didn’t make it any justice!) to an actually must-have. I don’t like the shiny lens barrel but can live with it. If you can program the fn1 button to activate AF I’m absolutely in! But that won’t change its limitations and I know the lens is slower by two stops, but even with this it is enough for my needs (heck, even a good compact is enough for most of my needs). A FF is superior in many things (being two stops faster is one) but not everyone needs this. There is no need to keep fooling ourselves.
“You don’t need to make up things to defend…”
He didn’t make up anything.
2,8 is 2,8 – no matter which sensor size. So the 12-40/2,8 is not equivalent to a 24-80/5,6 (FF), but to a 24-80/2,8 when it comes to light gathering abilities and angle of view. When it comes to depth of field, it behaves like a 24-80/5,6 (i.e. a two-stop slower lens) though.
A FF 2.8 40mm gathers twice as much light as a m43 2.8 20mm within each degree of the angle of view.
Hence, for light gathering at angle of view,FF 5.6 is equivalent to m43 2.8.
Correction: Of course, FF collects FOUR times as much light per degree of AOV. Because four times the sensor area covering the same degree at same aperture. My bad.
That is indeed a lot more correct. Just note that it has absolutely nothing to do with ‘total light gathered by the lens’ and everything with sensor area.
Yes but /area the 4/3 gathers more light + it’s lenses have 2 times the optical resolution.
f-number is light intensity. 4x the area needs 4x the light but in the end the intensity is the same, which in this case f2.8.
Ouch!
Blahblahblah.
No, the lens does not care at all what size sensor is behind it, that is just rubbish.
A 4x larger sensor USES 4x the amount of light.
A 35/2.8 and a 135/2.8 pointed at the same evenly illuminated wall will transmit the same amount of light and result in the exact same exposure regardless of what camera you put behind them, as long as both provide a large enough image circle to cover the entire sensor. Now, image circle can be made smaller for lenses that only have to cover a smaller sensor, but that has zero to do with aperture or focal length. The ‘bigger hole’ argument is wrong and only made by people who don’t know a thing about optics.
Good god, that image you posted gave me a giant headache until I realised one thing: it is incorrect to say that the focal length of a m43 is doubled over that of an FF, but that the angle-of-view is cropped. Man, talk about misinformation.
f2.8 is still f2.8
If you still don’t know that then don’t post it.
If you are saying that 50 by 2.8 is the same as 25 by 2.8 then your calculator is broken. That’s what a F number stands for. So if you like to convert focal lengths (as in 12-40 is 24-80) you should also convert the aperture to keep the relation!
And to the rest of you please refute what I linked to with data, not opinions!
Haha, and where is your data?
You are completely wrong.
A 12mm lens on m4/3 is still a 12mm lens, period.
For a given f-number, it has the same light gathering ability per area and the same depth of field of any other 12mm lens in any format.
The only thing that changes is the angle of view.
It has the same angle of view as a 24mm lens in a full frame camera.
That is all. It does not magically become a 24mm lens, it just has the same field of view.
But we are not converting focal lengths, we are comparing angle of view. When people refer to an equivalent focal length, they are saying that x focal length for A sensor is equal to the angle of view for y focal length for b sensor. It is merely a comparison of angle of view relative to different sensor sizes and focal lengths. Now it is correct to say that a FF sensor should gather 4 times the light of an m4/3 sensor. That is because the circle of illumination required to cover the full frame sensor is 4 times the area of the circle of illumination of a m4/3 sensor And that is why FF lens are so much larger in order to allow them to gather the additional illumination for the same angle of view. Now it is also important to specify that Aperture is accurate only when the lens is in focus at infinity (or in the case of some lenses near infinity).
But as stated, time and again, if a lens formula is “rated” at F2.8, then the combination of focal length and physical aperture opening calculate out to F2.8, a specific amount of light for the intended circle of coverage/illumination with the lens focused at infinity.
Now, and this is likely the area where some people get confused, is that if you pull a lens back from the infinity point of focus to where the circle of illumination covers a larger sensor, you are also changing the focus point from infinity to an extreme macro. At this point you are introducing what is commonly referred to a “bellows factor”. (because early cameras, and modern day view cameras, use bellows, not tubes for extension). At that point, due to the extension, the effective aperture does change. but the focus point also changes because it is no longer focused at infinity.
So, if you are shooting a subject at 30 meters, with an m4/3 camera with 25mm F1.4 lens and also the same subject at same distance using a FF camera with a 50mm 1.4 lens, the angle of view will be the same for both (given they are both shot in the same format or with same diagonal of coverage) Likewise the exposure for both will be the same. If ISO is 100, shutter 1/250 and meter sets aperture at F2.8 for one it will be the same for the other unless you alter shutter or ISO.
Data? Sure.
There’s this little thing in Physics called the Inverse Square Law. Yes, the same Physics that pro-FF people use to denigrate smaller formats. Essentially, if you double the distance, you quarter the power of the radiated energy, be it visible light, X-rays, radio waves, etc.
So, let’s compare a 50mm f/2 lens with a 25mm f/2 lens. The aperture of the 50mm lens is 25mm in width, whereas the 25mm lens has a 12.5mm aperture width. Correspondingly, the area through which the light passes is given by pi*r^2, in which case, you have 490.87 mm^2 for the 50mm lens and 122.72 mm^2 for the 25mm lens. Essentially, 4x the surface area for the 50mm lens aperture.
BUT, since the focal length is twice that of the 25mm, the light transmitted is 1/4 of the power. The larger physical aperture is offset by the doubled focal length reducing the light energy. So yes, as far as light transmission is concerned, f/2 is f/2 is f/2.
Let me put it like this: Let’s say you’re sitting on a chair, the E-M1 in one hand and a 16MPix fullframe camera in the other. You want to capture a dancing girl 5 metres in front of you so that the pictures are indistinguishable. You’ve got the new 12-40mm on your Oly, choose 40 mm as the focal length, 2.8 as the aperture and 1/500s as the exposure time (you don’t want motion blur). As it’s a sunny afternoon, you can choose ISO100 – perfect.
Now in order to get exactly the same results with the fullframe camera, what do you have to do? You need an 80 mm lens, need to stop it down to 5.6 (two stops) and dial up the ISO setting to 400 in order to get the same exposure time of 1/500s. If your fullframe uses the same sensor technology, the resulting RAW files will be completely indistinguishable – angle-of-view, depth of field, motion blur, and even noise-wise.
What I want to say is: fullframe is not about less noise, it’s about less depth of field. If you want to take exactly the same picture with a fullframe camera (vs an 4/3-camera), you’ll get *exactly* the same amount of noise. BUT: An owner of a fullframe camera has the possibility to open the aperture in order to get *less* depth of field (o.k., and less noise ;-)). He is more flexible, that’s all.
“He is more flexible, that’s all.”
With a caveat – if he chooses to buy that cheap 24-85 5.6 “equivalent” he won’t be able to open the aperture more.
“If you are saying that 50 by 2.8 is the same as 25 by 2.8 then your calculator is broken”
Obviously not exactly the same.
Take a 50/1.4 Nikon and 25/1.4 PanaLeica. The AoV/FoV is the same based on the FL and crop factor, so 25mm on m4/3 kind of LOOKS like 50mm on FF. Also f-number stays the same because the shorter FL and smaller aperture diameter still nets f/1.4, but DoF is like setting the FF lens to f/2.8. Don’t confuse f-number and depth of field.
Then when you mount the 50/1.4 to a m4/3 body, it still going to be a 50/1.4 except it’ll have an AoV/FoV similar to 100mm. The f-number is still 1.4 because when you crop, light intensity doesn’t change.
You can count photons all you want, but what matters more is light intensity.
The lens is not slower.
The amount of light that hits a given area of the sensor is the same for any f/2.8 lens on any format.
That is why, for a given situation, you get the same exposure no matter what camera you use.
The angle of view is equivalent to that of a 24-80 on FF.
The depth of field can be seen in one of two ways:
– It is the same as any 12-40 FF lens (or any other format)
– It is double that of any 24-80 FF lens (or any other format)
I cant hear this shit anymore.
Who needs full equivalence should go for FF. Equivalence in terms of DOF might be useful for some applications (mainly portraits), but for the most it is useless.
Full equivalence is not the aim of the system and for the meantime I enjoy my small package and watch the FF guys carry their load.
I think you replied to the wrong comment.
Three words: Inverse Square Law
Look that up.
This ‘total light’ nonsense FFanatics try and use to leverage superiority is misguided (aka BS).
Think of it this way. A FFanatic and M43 user put a bucket and a large jar out in the rain. After a while they decide to measure the amount of rainfall. The M43 user gets a ruler and measures the depth of the water in the jar. The FFanatic says ‘ah, but there is a lot more water in my bucket so it must have rained more heavily over my bucket than your jar.’
The M43 user rolls his eyes and goes back inside and pours himself a double of Macallans.
Nice and very correct. The larger bucket only makes sense if you want to collect as much water as possible in the shortest possible timeframe. In photography practice, that means that FF only has an advantage when every photon counts: when using high shutter speeds in relatively low light. Less photons to collect and little time to do so requires larger buckets.
I think that m43 sensors will likely be efficient enough for a normal applications (including indoor sports) within five years. Plenty of photons most of the time.
Ragnarok, here’s areal article, as opposed to the whiny one you linked to.
http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/
…unless “cat” is one of those that don’t accept the standard iso curves and holds the irrelevant view that a 2.8 m43 lens is really a 5.6 lens.
die dummen sterben nie aus, physik mangelhaft!!
for the stupid anyway: http://admiringlight.com/blog/full-frame-equivalence-and-why-it-doesnt-matter/
Thank you, smart guy.
Thanks that is an excellent link and explains thing better then I can.
And here’s another one. As detailed as it gets, but a tad difficult to read and long. I haven’t seen anything better.
http://www.josephjamesphotography.com/equivalence/
Agreed. Long and dry reading but good.
If you were sure, you’d be wrong.
Looks like a mean machine!
still offensive txt on picture
It’s says: Our website and readers whom all thought that Dokdo owned by Korea.
(Dokdo is a little island, named takeshima In japanese name.)
the non-political version http://youdidntdidyou.com/forum_images/O-MD_E-M1.jpg quick clone job…
Thanks for the translation. Sad that people must bring politics into a new camera introduction. Doesn’t matter which country or people, it serves no purpose. There are better forums and ways to address differences.
The text says: “This site and the viewer recognizes as a self-evident truth that Dokdo is Korean territory.”
This text is not about E-M1. A political sentence..
Its sad to see some lost Korean trying to make a political statement on a camera site.
But damn sign me up for a EM-1 + 12-40 f2.8!
Getting better every time.
What’s up with the strange text on these images?
Hmm, where’s the focal plane marker?
Korean is crazy?
This is a Korean political propaganda.
The text is in Japanese, not Korean.
Korean propaganda written in japanese
Korean who does to become the Japanese, increases.
Fuck Korean!
Santoshi San, remember that Japan was first settled by the Koreans. That is an historical fact.
You should recheck your historical facts.
The text is Japanese and what it says is a propaganda in favour of Korea.
Very impressive. The positions of the strap lugs seem a bit awkward.
yes, that is what I noticed and it’s really mind blowing if that would be the final product – strange strap ring placement and the grip does not match the body line… not so pro
That’s right, the thing that defines a camera as “professional” is the position of the strap lugs.
By reading this text you acknowledge that I am the rightful Emperor of the Zorkonian Galactic Empire. Hey, if it works for Koreans, I might as well try it…
Damn. That is sex. Guys stop comaining about the size. Put this beside a 24-70 nikon or canon and its still a dwarf.
If the 12-40 is 62mm diameter then the EM-1 is 122x65mm with grip and EVF… Very close to EM-5 in fact.
The text is Little trick
It claims when you saw the picture
you admit the sovereignty on the disputed island in Japanese sea
belongs to korea.(The territory issue between Japan and Korea)
So, it’s a troublesome political cliche made by Korean Patriot.
(And it’s written intentionally in Japanese .)
That’s too clever! Thanks for providing the translation.
Well at least now we know it doesn’t belong to China 😉
thank you patriot for sharing this -whatever
The price is my only issue as well, damn that looks like a heavy duty tool. Awesome!
The price is absolutely no issue at all, it’s cheap, actually.
Go buy the Samsung Galaxy NX for 1599,- with lens it’s just 1699,-, So if you think E-M1 is expensive you have to buy the cheap beginner camera 😉
獨島(Dokdo ) is Liancourt Rocks, in Japanese it’s called 竹島 (Takeshima), I’m a chinese but I can read them both LOL
Love it! But i’ll miss my E-3 🙂
There is no need for those old huge DSLR cams. I guess thats the future.
Why should we use a big DSLR? For the “style”? Looks more professional?
Think about the old mobile phones, laptops and so on… Time to use smaller cases if it’s possible – and yeah, it’s possible!
I totally understand why some photographers use a Hasselblad or Alpa or so, but why use a FF Canon? Time is over 🙂
Thanks Olympus for being innovative – as always!
Sometimes I feel like we don’t give enough credit to FF shooters for knowing what they do and why they use FF gear…
@Jules. It is not that, for those who have shot with different formats will acknowledge the value of each one, but there are a few people who constantly come here to denigrate anything that is NOT FF. They forget that just a few years ago, FF was only 5-10 megapixels, providing much less resolution and much more noise then today’s smaller sensors. FF, Medium Format, Large format, are all valuable photographic tools, but they aren’t for everyone. I don’t know, but perhaps some fear the advance of technology.
I am not saying you are wrong. But I draw the line between FF users and trolls.
Actually, that was a quick answer on my part. In different words, we share the same view. FF has its place and for good reasons.
OP’s message, whether or not it really is addressed to trolls, it certainly lends itself to broader interpretation.
I am not a FF fan, but when you are a pro photog at an event like a wedding and you want people to line up for a shot, SIZE matters. It is unfortunate but it is part of the perception. Try getting everyone together for a group shot holding just your little PEN E-P5. They think you are a tourist and don’t take you serious. They don’t know and don’t care about which camera is better. You aim a giant piece of glass at them and people start listening. Just the way it is.
That’s not true, I shoot weddings for a living and people get groups together using just iphones. I only shoot weddings with the em5 now (use to use 5dmll) I have never had any negative comments about me using a smaller camera.
Scott, what you say is correct, but it is often just easier to establish yourself as ‘the official photographer’ when having something with a big lens on it. Its how a picture can tell more then a thousand words. No, that doesn’t have to be a 5DmkX, a whatever camera with a big serious looking lens will do that job just fine.
Needed? nope, not at all. Makes it easier? yes absolutely.
Crazy enough on holiday a smaller camera is less intimidating and you get some candids a lot easier.
But I will be happy to stick my 12-60 to the em1 instead of my e3 but it will be an even bigger combo as with the 12-40 I guesstimate
Absolutely, it works both ways, and is at times useful to keep in mind.
I think its your attitude. I don’t even have a camera in my hand when posing its in my bag. If anybody knows of jerry ghionis he did a whole wedding and scored an 85 on the album just using an iphone
But nowhere did I say in the post you replied to that you can’t do a good wedding coverage without a big camera, actually, I stated the opposite, and obviously, the person behind the camera is much more important then the camera itself anyway.
That does not change that people respond differently to different cameras based on how they look, and that is something you CAN use if you so desire.
There is a very simple reason for why this works, and it has nothing to do with your own attitude and everything with perception and what people would ‘bother with’ bringing themselves. Since most people wouldn’t want to lug around even 1kg in photographic equipment without some special reason, they perceive anyone who does as ‘probably into photography’. It also works the other way around as Ivo pointed out.
Sure they don’t know.
But it’s time to change. We don’t live in the stoneage, or how do u make your fire? =)
People have to learn that the new stuff is smaller – they already do with all those smarthphones that have much more power than a laptop a few years ago.
One big problem: If no one doesn’t say anything, nothing will change.
Don’t hear, don’t say, don’t see – thats also one of the big problems why people still eat meat. (i don’t eat meat anymore, never ever again, because i see, i hear and now i say!) 😉
The power lever on the left looks like a film winder. It even has the look of the typical flip-up lever with center indentation. Tres cute.
Overall, it looks pretty good, functionally. I do prefer the 3 hard buttons on the top of the GH3 for ISO, WB, etc.. But it’s nice to see Oly finally putting a serious, integrated grip on one of their M4/3 cameras… and not soak users for an expensive and kludgy add-on.
That 12-40mm is one big-ass lens! Let’s hope it’s excellent!
The power lever looks like the power lever from the original 35mm OM series:
http://www.thecamerasite.net/01_SLR_Cameras/Images/Olympus-OM-1t.jpg
It’s weird that it’s on the left side. That means two-handed on/off. I guess it’s arguably better placed than the EM5’s power switch.
The power switch location on Panasonics makes so much more sense… controlled with the right thumb.
what does it matter where the power switch is, or when you need one or two hands Mr. Reeese? Do you switch it on/off every time? I think its one of the controls you use 2 times max during a session; on when starting and off when done.
wow.. I didn’t know this was a pørn site! Camera pørn of course!!!
Doesn’t look like a lot of room between grip and lens. The lens mount would be better over to the left a bit like on the E-1.
There’s more room than the gripped E-M5.
Philip, the top view is misleading, the grip part has an overhanging topplate towards the lens. Dont worry, unless you have very big western,oversized, hands 😉
What an absolutely hideous mess. Panasonic are really embarrassing Olympus at the moment. And let’s not forget the Panasonic are not even a camera company. How humiliating for Olympus and their fanboys.
Just wanted to tell you that your comment really gives you a stupid look. But maybe you won’t understand why…
what are you talking about! are you looking at the same pic.
That picture gives me vertigo!
To get vertigo you have to have a brain. You posts suggests that you lack in that area.
You’d need a lack of a brain to buy this massively overpriced garbage lol
Did your mama help you write that?
Must have been as no one knows who the father was.
Camcorder fanboy.
Ignore Nigel GH2. Probably doesn’t even own a GH2. Probably just one of those lost souls whose only joy in life is traveling internet forums to try and stir people up. The majority of m4/3 system users recognize that while there is friendly competition between Olympus and Panasonic, that both companies contribute to the strength, of m4/3 overall. Each brings different products to the table that benefit everyone. Users get a wider variety and choice to pick from. It is all good and healthy competition.
Plus One
Comparative with E-M5+12-35mm
http://www.flickr.com/photos/javiergrb/9629846248/
the size is not correct, the e-m1 is about 10 – 12% bigger. One should compare hot shoes, not width.
The e-m1 is wider, and the 12-40 a bit bigger (without hood about the size (length) of the panasonic 7-14).
But it looks to be a very well thought out camera. A worthy successor to the E-1!
Correct. E-M1 width is more like 133mm.
If you match the size of the hotshoes the lens mounts don’t match.
Have any actual dimensions been released for the E-M1 yet?
I agree, the EM-1 needs to be a few millimeters wider. measuring against hot shoes would be more accurate.
This may be a bit closer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gingercoo/9626929695/
I like the size of the grip, but that strap lug is still going to bite me. Grrr.
The mounts don’t match, why ?
I also think mounts should match…
Perhaps they made the mount larger on the EM-1 to prevent it from looking ridiculous with the new big glass? The 12-40 and 40-150mm. Of course, the “hole” in the mount is still the same size. Would make some sense, but then it would look strange with smaller lenses.
Thanks, great comparison it’s much smaller then it looks 😉
Also interesting to see the different shape of the hump.
Can you change the lens in the picture? Wonder how small it would look with the 17mm 1.8
Looks like the new lens is a bit slimmer toward the mount vs. Pana 12-35. Might leave a little more room for the grip, which I would prefer. Don’t have the 12-35, but the 35-100, and while it is a very good lens indeed, I would prefer a little more room for my fingers. With the grip on the E-M5 it’s a little tight.
I changed the scale a bit and added the OM-4Ti with 100mm f2 lens:
http://tinyurl.com/qa7pgmu
The OM shows a lot of inspiration for the designers. I suppose the E-M1 will be a lot lighter however.
The 4Ti with 100/2 is a serious combo (hence the self made grip).
Oops, that was the album link,
here the image link: http://tinyurl.com/ol2kdl3
I know the reason for “larger mount”
If you look at E-P5 vs E-M5
http://www.photographyblog.com/images/uploads_ee2/news_gallery_images/2013/olympus_ep5_hands_on_46.jpg
Notice that the E-P5 have outer rim around the mount? I think that is why
Why Korean political messages on it?? It’s regrettable.
I’m sure admin is busy “PP” this image to erase offensive text, otherwise I’m afraid things will degenerate here 🙁
crazy Korean people.
It’s one person making a statement, not all Koreans.
Not all, but there are too many of this kind among Koreans.
The Koreans I know are really likable and friendly people.
Sticking to camera news, some of us are, some of us aren’t. I know I am…
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/samsung-goes-crazy-android-nx-camera-priced-1700/
vs.
http://photorumors.com/2013/08/28/samyang-to-release-12mm-f2-mirrorless-lens-for-mft-fuji-x-and-samsung-nx-mounts/
Wow, sure it will be too big for m43 but I’m jalous of APS-C user (18 mm f2 FF equivalent), I’d like so much a 9 mm f2 !! I’d buy it as soon as it’s available
OK, maybe Samyang has gone crazy, too… in a good way! A rumored 10/2.8 lens for APS and µ43!
http://photorumors.com/2013/08/30/samyang-12mm-f2-0-ed-as-umc-cs-mirrorless-lens-detailed-specifications/
The lens is circa 5 mm fatter and 10 mm longer than the 75/1.8. Hopefully, it’s not heavier.
Good point. The 75mm feels like a brick next to my 12mm.
Still waiting for the video specs..
Ugly. Oly will never us an elegant word to market it. Looks nice, if you like uour equipment to look like Optimus Prime (Transformers).
Looks aside:
I’ve been hoping for a larger grip, but that thing looks huge and chunky.
They have a faux film winder but no inbuilt flash?
Man I
Hope it has decent video standards.
No doubt the EM1 is getting hot & hot .
With 1 stop improvement over EM5 , this really something very impress for . Definitely leaving Pana’s G & GH series in the dark again once this solid product is available . If I have to pick a m4/3 DSLR style camera now , the EM1 should top of my list .
A year ago, or so, a former D700 user claimed the E-M5 was trailing the D700 by ca one stop. If the rumor about the E-M1 is correct, it should be similar to the D700 in sensor performance, but with 33% higher resolution. The D700 gives excellent pictures. Partially due to a very good exposure system, but still.
But let’s see what the testers say.
I really like what I’m seeing, although I’d rather have mysets on the PASM dial than the scene selections etc. At least that’s something I miss on the E-M5, which I probably will hang on to for a couple of years.
@Lars
I sure that you can put myset in scene or iauto in the PASM dial since the epl-5 and ep-5 already able to do it.
I have changed my mind in the last 4 weeks from I doubt I will buy to I will buy… Ha the power of a rumour mill!
I think I will be selling E620 & E5 + perhaps the odd lens (?12-60 & 50) but if it works with the 7-14 and f2.8 300 I will keep them
no need to sell in korea.
I wish they would drop the huge mode dial. It’s probably one of the least used, yet the biggest button on my cameras. Top-end Canon and Nikon do it right, just one mode button + control wheel, and those bodies have plenty of space for dials.
It would leave a space for a small LCD or something.
With a mode dial you can easilly check the configuration. It’s better than a LCD IMO.
@Jón
huh! do canikon “professionals” *cough, cough* just shoot in auto mode?? I can see myself using every feature on the mode dial except the scene mode when I shoot…
I agree w/ Jón.
Such a big mode-dial is a waste of space.
On i.e. the E-3/5, it’s just a matter of pressing the mode button and scroll a wheel, and you can quicly walk through all modes, back and forth, be they factory defaults or My Modes. Would be better to use that space for direct buttons for ISO, Fnx, one-touch WB, IS-optons etc. But as the wheel is there, it should also have My Modes added.
An LCD will just add to the battery consumption, so although very useful, it’s probably best avoided on EVF-based cameras, as they already drain batteries fast enough…
Besides that, I wonder what room is left for your finger between the grip and an MMF-x adapter when using 4/3 glass.
Seen from above, the LCD looks very much like the one on the E-M5, so probably not a swiweling one – sadly.
Besides that – it does look good!
Exciting times ahead 🙂
I’m sure the EM1 can assign mySet to any of the presets on the mode dial.
err.. the professional just set it to A or M for their assignment. no need to constantly look at what the mode they are currently in. D4, 1D and e5 dont have mode dial
wow! at a wedding or event I would shoot aperture, manual, shutter maybe movie in quick succession and intend shooting artfilters (on RAW and jpeg) and photostory when I get the E-M1
Personally, I prefer the mode dial over the button+wheel method. It just takes a quick glance to check that the camera is in the right mood, sorry, mode.
Agreed. Plenty of other functions I would access ay more often.
guys! the big mode dial is not a waste of space!! Think about it. look at that button in the middle. Its obvious!!
Press the button down and its the mode dial. dont press the button and it it is the shutter speed dial, as per the OM5 – have to say this is a really sweet piece of design!!! (unless I’m wrong of course!)
Lol, sorry but you’re wrong. It’s just a lock system to prevent the dial to change mode in your bag for example.
Luckily you were not in the Olympus design team, or there would have been nothing left of the OM concept.
OMG!!! I WANT one !!
Oh, no: a “PRO” lens! Why Oly? It should have been called anything but pro. If it’s good, people will realize it could be used by pros as well…
The “Pro” is there precisely for selling it to non pros. 🙂
it will also peak some interest to the pros who may be thinking about getting into the m43 system.
If they need it, they’ll know it. No need for ‘Pro’.
not necessarily.. There are non-pro versions of lenses, which dont have the optical qualities of a pro lens, due to construction and what not.. correct ? no ? maybe ?
Well, I believe that a “pro” who is interested in purchasing a specific lens will simply do the research and won’t rely on some denomination, which doesn’t have a proper definition and may or may not describe the features he needs. On the other hand, someone who doesn’t have a clue, would be happy to be pointed in the “right” direction.
Fuji S1/2/3/5 Pro, Fuji G*6** Professional, X-Pro1, Kodak DCS Pro (even the Kodak strap says “professional”)… All these cameras are simply intended for professional use, and had “pro(fessional)” clearly stated on the body. Big deal.
IMO this is much different from consumer products that include “Pro” or “Elite” or similar in attempt to draw attention.
It could simply be a new denomination like HG or SHG. Really not worth the fuss.
Oh, absolutely, I am just having fun arguing.
Me too! Have a good time! 😀
Message on the lens barrel that is written in Japanese is extremely provocative and insulting to Japanese people. I’m very sad. Why Korean do such a thing very often in utterly irrelevant situation, for example in Olympic football game? very very sad. from Japan.
Don’t generalize. It’s been written by some stupid guys, hopefully they are a minority.
koreans are hysterical.. !
I;m learning some Korean right now !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1GiAWLDIBE
Just stick to the camera subject will ya?! Don’t put all Koreans in the same category just ’cause one guy has put an insulting message on a picture!
I also want to stick to the brilliant camera.
But the insulting message prevented us,Japanese to do so.
Who should be blamed ? we ?
Nobody, cause this site ain’t got nothin’ to do with politics, as simple as that!
Thank you, admin.
I will have a good sleep tonight.
http://special.olympus.eu/s/coming-soon/?olycmp=omdglt
Certainly a nice looking camera from this angle.
I’d like to see a shot of the underside, to see if the tripod socket is on the centreline. No one ever shows that!
it is real digital OM1.
I like the on-off lever on the left; it resembles the one on the OM-1…
And that Fn2 button on the right – can it be programmed to be a multi spot button like the OM-4 had? 😛
Still wonder why this camera has has an iAuto mode. Hardly a feature that will be used by the target groups…
Interesting, I hate when I can’t operate the On/Off one handed.
I hate it much more when there’s a whole row of buttons on the left side of the screen…
even the mode dial with small button seem like the ISO dial of OM1.
Looks great …but… now Oly puts itself in the position, again, where they are competing with SLR’s on a size and price level, with a smaller sensor. They lost war with 4/3 …and now they are trying again. Well, at least they don’t give up …hopefully this time they will just die.
And what DSLR would that be?
I haven’t seen an SLR that is even close to this small. Add a 24-70 f/2.8 zoom and it is easily 3 times as big.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#289.336,381.336,440.322,290.327,ha,t
totally agree. IN fact, when I first saw the current OMD I thought is was a larger camera on par with the GH2 or maybe even bigger. Then I held one. Tiny. This is all about perspective – compare this to a similar power DSLR and it is not even close. But just look this pic and it seems big.
I think it has more to see with being able to think than with perspective.
If they can’t even think, don’t bother with perspective thinking then 🙂
Exactly 🙂
All you need is a 24-80 F5.6… Those are small. Is a D600 + 24-85 F4.5 much bigger? I’d say not. The combos are roughly the same price, I reckon the Nikon is even a little cheaper.
Yes, it will be bigger. And if you want to compare DOF, that is simply your choice.
The f/4 on the Nikon is still huge.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#378.325,289.336,ha,t
The 24-85 is way smaller than the ultrawide you put in your comp. There is no major size diff between the Nikon and the Oly setups. Price favours Nikon. Quality – let’s not even mention it.
The conclusion is pretty obvious…
Here’s a better comparison. Using the 85mm, but it is quite close in size to the 24-85mm.
http://camerasize.com/compact/#378.330,289.336,ha,t
How are these veen remotely close in dimensions is beyond me. And let’s mention quality – there won’t be a huge difference.
But is that combination weather-sealed?
No, you need a 24-80 f/2.8
Die Olympus die!!!! … and be reborn from the ashes!
OMG! It just won’t die! OMG! OMG! 😀
That’s very very hot !!!
12-40F2.8 looks like 68*83mm
This is what I reckon too.
So that makes it about same size as the original lumix 14-140mm (70mm x 84mm, 460g).
For reference, Lumix 12-35mm is 68mm x 74mm, 305g.
Nobody has mentioned what combination if any will be offered .? Body only? 17mm 1.8. 14-.? Anybody any knowledge ?
Actually rumors have mentioned it several times. Body only. Body with 12-40 F2.8 and possibly other variations as decided by regional markets so what its made available to you, may be different from what is made available to me. Just like it is always done since each regional Olympus corporation decides what they will offer.
And I was thinking thta E-520 ON-OFF switch was the most unergonomic…
Looks like Oly awkward design department never sleeps!
So that switch is not ergonomic to you.. Hmm. Are you a human being or something else.. Like a buffalo, or some creature with toes and the like.. Then I would agree with you, otherwise NOT.
I think it’s very good. The only viable alternative is around the shutter.
What is that 3 box image on p/a/s/m dial – betwin SCN and camera/video !?
A moronic collage function maybe?
I hope is full auto panorama mode
That’d be better, but check OLYfans’ comment and weep.
3 box is “Photo Story captures multiple viewpoints of a single scene”
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/dslr/ep5/feature/05/
What a useless addition to a supposedly ‘pro’ body. Sure, there’s a school of thought that says that the software has already been developed, so why not use it? But, I’m a fan of KISS – keep it simple, stupid. More ‘features’ means more siftware bugs, more things to go wrong, more complex operation (and if you’re in a hurry and are about to miss that shot of a lifetime then the last thing you want to be doing is trying to figure out what the damn camera isn’t doing what you expected.
I don’t mind the addition of features when the end result cannot easily be achieved with a quick bit of post-processing.
Is this a camera aimed to be all things to all people? Well, soccer moms, maybe.
I still intend to buy the thing, and as I’ll be parting with hard cash I reserve the right to whinge about design decisions =;-)
u can replace a “my set” with it 🙂
And wouldn’t it be great if they’ve made some useful changes to mysets? Eg, allowing them to be named, export & import to the SD card, more of them, and a less vague means of loading & saving them.
Wtf !? This is idiotic function and is have place on dail !?!? Full-auto-panorama would be sooooo much better and much more usefull !?!?
Then just adjust it to another option in the menus. You can reassign functions on the mode dial to one that fits your needs. There will be some people who still use that feature.
“Then just adjust it to another option in the menus.”
Hm, didn’t know one can do that.
And definite OM-2/4 inspired retro-design on many components:
http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/2e/92/maru72chan/folder/900857/img_900857_9765891_0?1214057224
Beautiful. It will be such a nice camera if they simply allow 24p video.
Where are the video rumors?
SERIOUSLY
24p is crap.
I want 60 fps!
video is not the way for Olympus
this is useless video cam
Yo dog, I hear you like dials
yeah, I like it and I’ll buy it.
Looking at that picture, it’d be great to have on more button in the middle of the back dial, but that’s wishful thinking.
Oh you need more buttons. How about a keyboard then? But this being Olympus they will stick to some retro model and put a Dvorak keyboard on it.
@Admin
Have you got pics from the front of the E-M1? I wonder what the buttons are for 🙂
Probably DOF Preview and one touch WB.
Check this article for other views. Haven’t heard specifically what the buttons are for. Maybe depth of field and a function button?
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-first-picture-of-the-new-12-40mmf-2-8-olympus-mft-lens/
They should have named this the E-M7 bridge camera. The E-M5 remains to be the ultimate portable with fast primes.
But this isn’t a replacement for the EM-5. That will come later. This is the “Pro model” that they said from the beginning was to sit above the EM-5. They also plan for a “lower cost OMD” model, most likely without weather sealing and some reduction in features. This was always Olympus plan for the OMD line. And don’t try to make any sense out of the numbering scheme at this time. My best guess is that future versions of the EM-1 will be appended with a number or letter, kind of like the Canon 1Ds which has like 5 different variations now. The lower price model, if it follows Olympus past numbering schemes, will be an OMD-XX with 2 numbers. But that is all speculation at this time.
How does phase detection work when there are no mirrors? Is that even possible?
It’s on sensor PDAF. Some other companies are already using that. No separate auto focus module required.
i made a comparison with em5.
EM1 is not much bigger.
http://postimg.org/image/gvb5fds61/
Well done. That looks about right.
Perfect size, thanks for that.
Remembers me of the difference between E-420 and E-520 (or 410-510). Looks very nice!
What common part of both pictures did you use to make the proportions equal?
I can only think of comparing the hot shoe, but it seems smaller on the E-M1 in that comparison. So the E-M1 should perhaps be a little bigger, but I’m not sure if aligning the inner gap of the flash hot shoe is a good approach to making the pictures comparable.
I have done a size comparison also, laying one on top of the other, having resized so the hot shoe rails are the same size:
http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p794/An0nemu5/Forum/E-M1-E-M5Sizecomp_zpsd00e5614.jpg
Thanks. Best comparison so far.
Comparing this with an image of the em-5 with Pana 12-35mm ( my current setup) it seems the 12-40mm is a few mm wider and at least 5mm longer, might even be 8mm longer.
Well so far we haven’t seen a single silver E-M1 have we ? :/
And for the record, I like the looks of the new EM-1 and 12-40 lens. Now the only question is how I will pay for it.
And for the record, I for one I would like to thank you for the contributions you have been doing giving helpful info and such along the various posts on this great ride is being this camera release. Thank you, FWIW.
Mauro
Thanks mau
This is a bit off topic, but DxO posted Canon 70D measurements. Some pleasant surprises. Since, E-M1 reportedly has improved noise…
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/895|0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/793|0/(brand2)/Olympus
Oops…
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/895/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/793/(brand2)/Olympus
SUPERB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I still can get such an excitement for a camera that has virtually the same sensor and just a slightly better performances than the one for which it should be the substitute. I am not trying to detract from it, because it looks very cool and perhaps I will end up by getting it too (or more likely its successor); but it is virtually little more than an OMD with battery pack and extra grip. The same price equates that. ISO span is the same as OMD. That means that its typical poor performance in low light will be the same. I have read of ISO 800 that gives the feeling of being like ISO 400. ISO 800 is nothing. Professional often need usable 6400 and more. The smaller size is certainly a plus, but you need also a handy tool. Too small a camera is difficult to handle in manual mode or when you are outdoor, with gloves or packed with other devices. The only GOOD point and the thing to be happy about it IMO, is that, it is the only why out for owners of expensive high grade lenses… in exchange for the butt-fu** Olympus gave to 4/3 format. A 4/3 mirorless with more powerful sensor, a modest energy consumption and the specs of this one would have been really a blast, leaving the m43 for pro-sumer and hobbits. The 12-40 lens is an attempt of improvement on that front. Yet it is just 2.8 on a sensor that underperform in high ISO as a standard. I mean, Nikon can afford having its own zoom optics f2.8, because the sensor brutally harvest light also where there is none. A serious Olympus tool can’t afford starting from less than 2.0. And I am afraid you will never see it in m43. When I shoot concerts, I can use OMD only with primes from f 1.8. And at 6400, if the stage isn’t well lit, sometimes it ain’t enough… I know that many could think “Who gives a crap of low light…” But the truth is, professionals do cares. They need results. Even when they love Oluympus.
Are you done with your verbal diarrhea?
Roger is right, but I’d also say that no camera is perfect for all uses and it’s all a matter of compromises. It sounds like this camera line is not ideal for your needs. That’s OK, I guess.
The E-M1 is not a replacement for the E-M5 just like an e-p5 is not a replacement of the e-pm2, different kind of camera, and there is no reason to upgrade from the just over a year old E-M5 for most people. That replacement isn’t going to be there until next year.
Admin It would be nice to have all the EM-1 pics in a same post…
I can’t wait for the person who comments that the strap lugs are uneven and not uniform in location on each side.
Too late – I already did. I think the word you’re looking for is asymmetric. There’s a very good reason for some folk finding it annoying, and it has nothing to do with style – if I use the E-M5 for any length of time the right-hand lug digs into my finger quite painfully.
If I use my E-M5s for much of the day, a few days in a row, I still don’t have any such issues, maybe it does have to do a bit with how you hold the camera? Unlike what certain people seem to think, your right hand should stabilize and control the camera, but your left hand should carry it. Failure to do this will cause more issues then a strap lug hurting your poor hand.
+1
That grip looks big… maybe it will win over a few E-5 users who claim they need a big camera (when they just needed a big grip)
Price doesn’t worry me too much… Won’t be buying it at full list… But I do think it will hold it’s price for a long time, as did the E-5
独岛是不是韩国的我不清楚，反正钓鱼岛是中国的。
Google translate suggests that this is yet another political message. Why don’t you put your childish and political frustrations somewhere else and leave this forum for those that are interested in the OM-D?
sorry,this guy’s head be washed as well.
NO
The dedicated Video Mode on the dial and the separate video record button gives me hope that there will be a 24p mode!!
I hope there is, but the e-m5 has a record button and a video mode on its dial but no 24p.
The dedicated Video mode has been there since E-P1, just the video is always meh
Biutiful
Waiting for a shot of this side-by-side next to an E-5/12-60 for size comparison.
OT: Most recent comments should really be at the top.
Yes, and give us a picture of the camera with the 12-60 please. So many people have been waiting for this for years …
Definitely te shot or simulation I want to see 12-60
Just use “Flat view” !!
Doh! Thanks, 3vo…
It’s definitely pretty, but it’s not “pro” by any stretch of the imagination. For example, there is a reason why *all* pro cameras have at least a top LCD, and the big guns also have a back LCD. Nine settings on the mode dial, four are useless. Ah… Nice fashion accessory, though.
Yes they have a LCD because they don’t have an EVF. Which info would you have on a LCD you couldn’t have in the EVF? Do you shoot looking at the LCD?
About the mode dial, you can assign ANY function to ANY mode: everything is reprogrammable.
Will you evolve or go on moaning and feeding your ulcer?
+1 A customizable EVF makes a top LCD obsolete.
The top lcd allows you to instantly see your settings, which matters when seconds count.
You mean like on the lcd at the back?
Top displays are lame. I never use them.
I’m beginning to think the majority of fanboys here have never even used a camera with any sort of viewfinder.
Top LCD replaced by the EVF, my god… This is probably the new low of 43rumors…
I have one… I have to remind myself to use it… maybe use it 2% of the time… I shoot with the Sony a77 btw.. fun camera… but I am interested in something smaller…
Who told you Mister that for a camera to be professional must have a top LCD? I have two Leica M, a Hasselblad and an 8×10″ view camera, and non of them have a top LCD. Please, don’t be silly.
I own an E-3, I do every so often rent a d3, I own a minolta 7000 AF, dynax 5 and 7, all of which have a top lcd, and I’ve been using all of those, some for much more then a decade, one for more then a quarter century, so don’t come with your you never used a camera with top rubbish. I also use an OM-1 and Minolta x-700, so the ‘you never used a real viewfinder’ bull doesn’t work either. Those suggestions are just stupid.
From this and many other posts its totally evident that you just totally fear EVFs and dismiss out of hand anything EVF related.
Preference is one thing, prefer ovfs and top lcds all you want, just bloody stop trying to tell the world that they should skip on progress because of it.
If you learn where the buttons are, you don’t need that display, everything is displayed in your viewfinder. It’s easy enough to change them on the fly, plus, you skip the step of having to look back into the viewfinder.
I have an E-5, I only look there when other people ask what settings I’m shooting at. I think it’s convenient, but not a deal killer in any way. I’ll get used to looking at the lcd.
I’m looking forward to a camera I can review the images I take in the viewfinder. that would be more important to me than a top LCD showing redundant information.
> Top LCD replaced by the EVF, my god… This is probably the new low of 43rumors…
Because of one post? That sounds deranged; now YOU are heading for a new low, haha! 🙂
Anyway, EVF + rear display is much more critical. Keep in mind the tradition of LCD started with film bodies long ago and likely won’t last forever. Given the size of this body, it all makes sense to the sensible.
I have bodies with one or even two LCDs AND a rear display. If you don’t touch the menus, the LCDs are fine. On Oly bodies with their super menu on the back, not even an EVF is needed.
To know so little and to shout so hard…
Try it, instead of bitching about a camera you’ve never used.
I have two nikon bodies (D700 & 800) and use the top LCD because it can be valuable to know your settings while shooting but very infrequently do I miss said LCD on my EM5. I don’t believe it is a make or break feature of a “pro” camera. Mostly I think people use the term “pro” as a negative premise. This camera doesn’t have this feature. Pros need this feature. Therefore this camera isn’t for pros. It assumes far too much and is based on the undefined nature of ‘pro’. Ansel Adams had cameras far less sophisticated than ours today but most would agree that he was a pro. Same token, plenty of people use very high-end equipment, more sophisticated than many of us even, but are certainly not pros by most people’s accounts.
If you want instant feedback, then having the settings appearing in the EVF as you change them is better : you can adjust them without that your eye leaves the target.
So does your back high res screen
This is true, but for a DSLR the top display makes sense still next to the rear display.
The top lcd tends to be a classic lcd segment display with optional illumination. The power use of this display (with illumination turned off) is very low, so it can be left on all the time. The hi-res rear display however uses a fair bit more power.
Since you’ll be using the EVF or rear display during shooting anyway, the top LCD makes little sense on a mirrorless camera.
Given the photo this article is based on, where do you see room for an LCD such as you describe?
I have an SLR with such an LCD. It pales in comparison with the info on the back screen of an E-M5 or what is available in the viewfinder. It’s like arguing the superiority a flint axe over a modern steel one.
Sorry if what I said wasn’t clear (or possibly you clicked on the wrong reply link?), but I was not at all arguing that the E-M1 should have one, rather the opposite actually.
Of course what the rear display tells you over what a top lcd tells you is much more, and as someone else pointed out, what the evf can do is even better as you can get all the info you want while changing settings and without having to take your eye off the subject.
My point was that historically top lcds do make sense on DSLRs because of having all important settings always visible for extremely little cost (in power use) whereas the rear display typically uses a lot of power because of being a backlit tft.
A few things changed since, OLED displays are more power efficient, there is more power available from batteries, and ‘live view’, either on the rear display or in the viewfinder, which made all important settings available whenever you actually need them for no extra cost in power usage since those devices need to be turned on anyway, so on a camera like the E-M1 its simply not needed.
And hearing this, Anonymoose stood up and left.
Yea it was supposed to be in reply to Anonymoose – Anonymouse is visually not that distinct.
As mentioned, a Top EVF is unnecessary when you have all the shooting information available to you without even taking your eye away from the VF.
As a note to anyone who hasn’t experienced the benefits of this say in a portrait shoot, getting a quick review in the VF is unbelievably useful as you no longer have to chimp… This means a more seamless experience for you model and more momentum for the shoot.
As for the useless mode dial items, iAuto is very useful today when you want to hand your camera to someone who doesn’t know what they are doing. YOu are more likely to get a shot of you in focus 🙂
The art and scene modes are what they are, and if you haven’t enjoyed using them.. well your loss. For my modes there is now a very convenient switch on the camera body for you to quickly change global settings.
Which somewhat begs the question… why was the top LCD ever conceived at all, when the information it provides was already able to be presented in the viewfinder ? Never mind EVF’s, I’m talking about film SLR’s that had viewfinder information yet also found it useful to have a top LCD.
But WTF, decades-worth of photographers can’t possibly have known what they wanted and needed, right ?
Now that we’ve done away with the mirror, we can forget everything we ever knew about camera’s and start over.
FFS. Some people really need to get a ticket for the clue train.
so which dials and buttons would you want removed from the EM-1 to fit in your LCD?
or do you want a much bigger EM1???
You’re missing the point.
An EVF can show everything that appears on the back screen
DSLRs and film SLRS cannot show all this information, just a subset of it which is why top LCDs were invented.
Nice, try harder.
I like but won’t buy…for that setup I am thinking it will cost close to 3 grand
So, you are not going to buy because of your price expectation? What do you do if the price is closer to 2 grand?
He’ll probably buy it?
mmmm $3000 for this? WOW!…Choice between full frame, high detail, great dynamic range, great in low light, or choose tiny little frame with RUBBISH performance! mmmm hard choice there!
Well, that leaves out Canon…
Sony and Nikon smoke your system (oh I forgot, you rely on Sony for your sensors, even begging Sigma to make lenses for you…Kinda humiliating!)
I am a Sony user. Lol.
So many Nikon cameras have a Sony sensor… With luck, they “tweaked” it, just like Oly. Oh, sweet delusion.
Meanwhile, the Sigma 18-35 1.8 is nicely rocking the boats of establishment and simpletons believing in “their” brand, hahahaha.
I think we should have some sort of troll entrance exam. You know, to filter out the stupid bottom end.
The thing is with the Sigma lens design that was registered a few days after Olympus announced their lens. Plus there are not loads of different ways of designing a lens of this spec in the first place so hardly surprising it looks the same.
There are infinite ways to make a lens by varying the number of elements, their type, and the groupings.But all you need to do is slightly change another design to call it yours. No reason to reinvent the wheel, but it is definitely possible to come up with something drastically different if you want to put the money and effort into it.
Uberzone this is a classic lens design for this type. Nobody is going to make it slightly different just for the sake of it. There is no point. Have you actually studied lens design and I don’t mean just mean reading a book?
Too many damn teenagers on this website.
Taking a laptop, a book, headphones, a D800, 24-70mm f2.8, water etc in your cabin baggage for a flight and subsequent connections – or swapping the FF anchor combo for the E-M1 combo – not a hard choice at all.
Especially when hand luggage allowance gets smaller by the day.
Come on guys move with the times, laptops are so last year 🙂 a tablet does the job of a laptop at least on holiday. I can tinker with JPEGS { I keep the RAW files on the cards which are tiny } using Snapseed does fine for the basics and upload it to Flickr or Facebook etc ,it also works as an e-reader { books really? 🙂 } , plays music movies etc all in a compact form.
A D800 with 28mm F1.8G,50mm F1.8G and 85mm F1.8G hits the scales at 1.8kg I could live with that or Do what I do when on holiday with my MFT one body , one slowish zoom along with a favourite prime or 2. If I was a FF user I would have the D800e with ,16-35 and the 85mm F1.8G { 127mm with DX crop} , I am a landscape guy so this would do me pretty well. Not to hard to get a decent set up under 2kg.Sure it is going to be heavier than mft by a big chunk, but come on 2kg is hardly going to be a crippler.
By that same thinking, If size and weight are the priority then something like an RX100 would do a fine job. I have seen a lot of great shots from it online. It would be far lighter and far smaller than any mft kit , downside you lose some image quality, just as you lose some image quality by using mFT instead of the D800. In fact looking at the ratings for the E-M5 ,D800e or RX100 there is a much larger difference in image quality between the E-M5 and the D800e than there is between the RX100 and the E-M5.
Makes you wonder if there is someone on an RX100 forum wondering who would carry all that weight taking an mFT kit :-).mFT does the job for me but i have no problem with someone thinking different
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/812|0/%28brand%29/Sony/%28appareil2%29/793|0/%28brand2%29/Olympus/%28appareil3%29/814|0/%28brand3%29/Nikon
If 2KG isn’t an issue for YOU then think of what m4/3 setup you could fit in that weight.
Oh, and that you’d only take a slow zoom, well, there exist fast zooms for m4/3, currently 2 of them, soonish 3, and a bit less soonish at least 4. That you don’t own one, well, means you can’t take it with you, but if you can dream up a ‘full frame’ kit you could fit in 2kg, why not try to dream up a m4/3 kit that would also fit?
But indeed, some are totally happy with a compact for their travel and when you are, that sounds like the perfect way to go. I’m absolutely not, as I tend to want to take good indoor pictures WITHOUT flash and/or tripod. Many of the places I visit during travel allow taking pictures, but absolutely forbid using flash and tripods, so decent high iso performance (at the very least a good 1600 and acceptable 3200) and being able to use bright prime lenses is an absolute must-have for a travel camera for me. (yes, talking about ISO 1600, f/1.4 and not being able to get better then 1/25 shutter often, so IS also quite helps)
“A D800 with 28mm F1.8G,50mm F1.8G and 85mm F1.8G”
I currently have a NEX-7 with a 10-18, 35mm f1.8 and 50mm f1.8. It is around 900 grams. That is twice as light as D800 and more than twice less bulky. I am also a landscape guy and this setup works great for me. I can lug a D800 all day, but I choose not to. 1kg is not going to be a crippler, until you consider that I have a backpack, tripod, etc., all of which specifically chosen to be lightweight.
“By that same thinking, If size and weight are the priority then something like an RX100 would do a fine job.”
Absolutely. But where you draw the line is entirely subjective. The RX100 might have great IQ, but doesn’t go to 15mm wide and is a pain in terms of handling.
“Makes you wonder if there is someone on an RX100 forum wondering who would carry all that weight taking an mFT kit.”
Pretty sure there is.
Hi Vlad,as mentioned landscape is my interest the only thing about the E-M1 I do not like is the MP count. I have been wondering about the Nex7 replacement combined with the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8,have you seen reports in any Nex forum about anyone using it on Nex I am not bothered about AF etc just how it performs.
I haven’t, but I believe it will perform great. There is no reason whatsoever why it wouldn’t. The only (potential) problem I can see is handling. It is an 800gr lens connected with an adapter to a 350 gram camera. The grip is good, but not that good. And you might have some issues on a tripod as well. For me, all of those are non-issues, but you should definitely give it a try in a store.
I do not mind the weight my most used focal length range is 28-50mm {FF AOV } so this would tick all the boxes , I really hope that the Nex7 replacement comes with a higher MP count I am not too interested in high ISO.I hoped to find some results and input from users of the Nex7 with this lens, thanks for the info
What about the upcoming 16-70 f4 stabilized Zeiss? Samples look good, price is decent.
are you really serious?
do you really trust DXO that much?
well, DXO really does not measure real life practical IQ , just useless numbers even which are usually incorrect due to their biased testing methods(re-sampling everything at 8mp) and place of importance on base ISO IQ , rather than all around IQ.
no real photogs care about what DXO crap says even a bit, it is even not scientific test as some believed.
if Adobe does something similar , it will be much better.
no one actually needs a tiny minor software company rating sensors(it is impossible to just measure sensor quality anyway).
@derek
I have extensively compared the actual RAW files from the respective cameras and the DXO results are completely in line with their observations.My point was that different people have different standards and expectations , nothing up with that. I am currently in the mFT camp that does not mean that I cannot appreciate other systems.
As for DXO being a minor company their list of clients makes them pretty much a world leader. Then what do Olympus, Nikon, Pentax, Fujifilm, Nasa ,Sigma etc know
http://www.dxo.com/intl/image-quality-evaluation/customers
as I said many times, you cannot simply compare RAW files , it involves many many other factors and key electronics chain.
DXO does not measure it correct, and I know it, there is no point of discussing about the shitty useless test any futher.
now , many many clever people see this and many of us do our own RAW file measurements since Adobe never does it for us.
but in fact , even before that, there is no real RAW in any current consumer based cameras any more, all current cameras have some level of noise reduction at RAW level and you cannot be turned off.
if possible , try to develop the top rated Nikons with DCRAW, or something similar , you might get shocked how bad they actually are without Nikon style RAWNR.
I take my E-M5 + 12-50 in my backpack along with a Zuiko 90mm F2 when skiing. I do not want a D800 thanks.
For most (almost all) photographers, FF SLRs (and heavier MF systems) are too much 99% of the time. If you need a FF/MF kit for special occassions, simply rent.
There’s not that much point to personally identify with such a camera if you wish your kit to be remotely portable.
And this is the irony: for a more “personal” system, it really borders on the insane to consider FF. You’d carry the weight and the bulk around, while never needing the benefits. Well, those people help to keep prices down, I guess! 🙂
“real stig” and “oily mouse” you are the same bloke right? I totally agree with you. I only take my G15 when I go mountaneering, I couldn’t cope with the bulk of a M43 system. And when I am not mountaneering, I cannot cope with the low quality and high price, so I shoot 24 x 36.
If you can live with such a simple setup, fine. For some climbers even a G15 is too much weight (I’m not going into robustness, but good luck to you!). IQ wise, I’ve tried and sold Canon. Personally, I’m happy there’s something called medium format for when my 24×36 doesn’t suffice, btw.
I don’t know how many post under “Anonymous”, but it’s probably more than one, haha.
WOW, if the rumours are correct, the 16 Mpx E-M1 will have close to the DR of the FF D700. WOW, how uninformed is it possible for 35mm fans to be?
actually the D700 only has 11.7 stops of DR, I measured it myself and even the crappy test like DXO said similar thing.
anyway, the D800E has amazing DR at base ISO and I know it is almost close to full 15stops of DR, but the D700 had just 11.7 stops of usable DR and real life practical DR was even lower than that of lab level DR of the sensor.
so it is nothing amazing if the EM1 had the same level of DR as the D700 sensor. in fact, the current EP5 already has more DR than the D700 ever did.
Makes sense. The D700 is a very capable, classic camera, still preferred over the D600 and D800 by many. If the E-M1 compares well to it with iso <=3200, Oly has a real winner.
The Sony RX100 with its tiny little itsy bitsy sensor has a whisker more DR at base than the E-M5.The 5yr old D700 has 12.2DR with far better high ISO
Bugger off with your amateur 35mm toy. Real photographers shoot 6×5 or at the very least 120 format.
with 35mm being a toy compared to large format, then that makes m43 a bit of dirt on the side of the road (and you forgot that d800 sensor smokes medium format! Oops!)
Go learn something about photography and the history of photography instead, and you’d know that you sound totally like all the now out of business photographers from times past that were indeed calling 35mm an ‘amateur format’. Go learn something about Leica and how they became the king of the hill for a long time by totally ignoring the stupid kind of argument you are trying to make.
Trolls by definition are limited in knowledge: they know no reason. A troll’s contributions to the discourse are often – as in this case – verbal turds that degrade the poster to a sad karikature.
Good trolls however, can switch angles and set intricate traps instead of simply claiming “mine is better than yours” and “this will surely fail”.
Please trolls, this camera will wipe the floor with your pathetic egos that cannot but identify with a few 100s or 1000s worth of consumer electronics. It deserves better. We deserve better. Give it your best.
Don’t forget the importance of a constant 2.8 Aperture 12 to 40 mm lens. This thing is literally half the weight of and about an inch smaller in diameter then some of the big Canon or Nikon glass.
This is why the FF fanboys are in such disarray. D800 was a game changer that punched above its weight. E-M1 will do the same: for many FF shooters, it will be the ticket to lose a lot of weight fast.
I’m convinced that long ago, Olympus thought long and hard about the possible value of the 4/3 sensor in the long run. It must be gratifying for them to see how well they chose the sweet spot, while Canikon have APS and FF cameras overlapping more and more. They can only move towards the bigger sensors now.
Since a few weeks, I have very few doubts (if any) about the future of the OBS43 format. 🙂
Call me crazy but I read a bunch of different sites because I’m a photo nerd. I read about different systems even if I don’t own them. I hardy ever see people on the full frame forums bashing other systems. They seem to just shoot and enjoy their camera. Sure there are people that do. But, I’d have to say that there are more people on the 4/3 forums that have some sort of issue with people that choose to use a full frame camera. What gives?? They are only cameras. They all do the same thing…Take photos.
But photographers and ‘fanboys’ are 2 entirely different things.
Photographer: hey, thats a neat little camera with some nice glass.
Fanboy: but it isn’t full frame, I’d never use that seriously.
Both seem right, but the later because of not actually using a camera for much more then bragging rights to begin with.
You apparently completely missed the great number of FF “evangelists” bashing the E-M1 and m43 during the last weeks. They have received their fair share, poems and all.
I shoot m43 + FF. I know these systems. Trolls reap what they sow.
That is because they are not equivalent you even explained why lol
> and you forgot that d800 sensor smokes medium format!
Good. That means that by exactly the same token, an m43 sensor could smoke full frame. And that’s what’s about to happen.
Whoops, you goofed!
well, huge 645, 6/7,etc are only useful for landscape , still life ,etc on a solid tripod or at studio.
but the D800E can shoot action and lowlight with amazing detail.
on top of that the D800E shoots amazing pro level video with a set of Zeiss or Nikon primes, does any phase or a hassy or Leica S(junk) shoot video?
so even if a Hassy or Phase is priced as cheap as my D800E(I actually think the IQ260 should be priced around there anyway, though) , I will always choose my D800E.
I honestly think the Pentax645D should have been cheaper than the D800E and the Leica S should be around the same price point as the D800E.
as a tool , the D800E is a better camera than the overpriced Leica S2 or Pentax 645D shit, anyone with a bit of brain can see that.
Derek you completely missed the point of that post.
I like it from a design standpoint, especially with that lens. mft looks likes it’s finally all grown up.
The price might hurt though.
One thing i like is the grip. First Oly for ages that doesn’t make my hand cramp just by looking at it.
I’m basically in love, but will have to see if I can manage to cough up the dough for it. Also that lens looks pretty big, but definitely would love the convenience over primes.
hey Admin, any news regarding video features?
asked two soruces. Hope they can tell me more soon.
I have a bad feeling on that one.. Don’t see 24p being there sorry guys. But it’s just a feeling
THX
I have a bad feeling about this also. Came so close to buying the Gh3 but didn’t because it took FOREVER to to out of back order where I am. Pre-ordered the black magic pocket cam but will cancel that due to the white orb issues its having. Have decided to get this camera because it is simply the most irresistible thing I have ever seen. But, video is hugely important to me and my gut tells me this will be basically a stills only implementation. Video will be there but it’ll be ametuer hour. Would love to be wrong though, this camera and the 2 pro zooms are basically perfection
Just get the GH3 if you are seriously into video, since it is also on special atm
“O” has indicated that emphasis has been on stills.
As a Canon 5dmIII shooter I have to say that’s the first m4/3 camera to give me GAS! Superb!
Good news: it’s intended just for you, not for the E-PL2 lovers whining about its large size instead of dreaming about the GX-7! 😀
I’m a proud refurbished E-PL2 owner and…. i’m not going to whine about the size of e-m1 or about the “…” of the GX-7, only if i can have both refurbished in one week!! 😉
(the “…” are the unsuccessful attempt to find a gx-7 defect!)
Questions
Video specs?
Two sdcards?
Headphones jack?
Hdmi out free?
Prores codec or raw video?
Ibis5 works video and focus peaking?
I have a question : Do you guys think that there is a button in the aperture dial ( next to the dial mode) ? Looks like you can press it…
I think it’s a lock button for the dial to prevent accidental turning it. Don’t know if I like that-it’s great on the Ricoh gr, but the dial is on a corner on the gr…
nope Tim you talk about the pasm dial.My question is about the aperture dial next to the p/a/s/m dial. Looks like a button…
Probably the shutter button. It’s got two of em it looks like.
A second shutter release button for those with double-jointed thumbs? 😛
There is no second shutter release – what you see is just a congruent design element.
That looks *really nice*.
Hmm, i need a napkin….
Darn it….This is what my EM-5 should have looked like ;-). My hands are not gigantic, but I’m a tall guy and on a number of occasions I wished for a better grip or different placement of buttons.
is the EM-1 the same size as the EM-5 with addon grip?
The general consensus (and there are some links to some good efforts at visualizing the difference on this thread) is that the E-M1 is somewhat larger (wider and deeper) than the E-M5, but appears to be, overall, smaller than the Panasonic GH3. It is by no means a large camera, but it’s not tiny, either.
BEST looking m4/3 camera to date!! Superb! This lens is very nice too!
I will buy MFT if they release a light weight and fast super tele lens.
say 100-300 F4 or 400 F5.6
I am happy with my full frame for landscapes and portraits.
being said that, the top view of this looks pretty cool.
Not a pro camera. Try again.
I define what “pro” is and I’m saying it is pro.
Sounds reasonable, I think.
If you can make money with it, it’s a “pro” gear no matter what the format. If you are using it for fun/hobby it’s a toy no matter what it says on the lens or what the marketing people made you believe. So it’s time to hide under the bridge little troll.
Some commenters seem to equate “Pro” with big and heavy. I guess pros have never used Leicas, right? And how did any of us possibly earn a dollar from photography before we had top mounted LCDs?
Recently, I spent several weeks dragging a Canon 5D3 and 3 lenses (covering 16-300mm) around Italy. A kit with the OM-D and three lenses would have been about a third the weight. There’s not one image I made with the Canon kit that I could not have made with an OM-D kit.
“Some commenters seem to equate “Pro” with big and heavy. I guess pros have never used Leicas, right? And how did any of us possibly earn a dollar from photography before we had top mounted LCDs?”
He he! How did any of us earn a dollar in photography without auto focus, auto-exposure, through the lens metering, image stabilization, high speed shooting, compact flash or SD cards, etc, etc.
We did it by going out and taking photos, using light meters or cardboard exposure calculation guides, by understanding lighting and composition without getting hung up on rules. By using our personal combination of technical and creative skills to capture a moment or to tell a story and by teaching ourselves to see things differently.
All forms are technology are just tools. Nothing more or less. The art, science and vision depend on the person.
There is no clear definition of Pro. Generally through history it is considered to be some combination the following. Reliability, durability under difficult situations, intuitive easy to use controls that don’t require a lot of effort or thought to use once learned, flexible, adaptable system, not unusually burdensome relative to the format, quick in operation, supports high quality optics. And last, empowers the photographer to make better photos.
Most of the technology people argue over has no relationship to actually taking photographs, other then that they might be used but aren’t essential to the end result. They are simply benefits we can enjoy to make the process more enjoyable and easier.
+1
And some of us still return to those ‘old ways’ every so often because the lack of technology lets you concentrate on the picture itself.
True.
I’ve been waiting almost 5 years for a good replacement for my E-510. In that time, I’ve accumulated many lenses (SG > SHG) and refused the urge to ‘upgrade’ or jump-ship, and decided to experiment and learn more with what the E-510 could do. It looks like my patience will pay off with the E-M1.
Some say that very few of your kind exist these days. Others think there might be a whole army of 4/3 sleepers waiting to summoned to hail the Dark Knight and restore order… Ok, off to bed.
I have a GH3, a e-m5 and a d800. If this have 25 and/or 24p I will sell all three and buy the E-m1.
It looks like a real game changer, if it have good video specs. Othervise it is of no interest at all comared to the e-m5.
(i would get the bmpcc as b-cam)
Real pros rarely comment here. 5 years ago i knew 1 (one) real pro who shot with Olympus (E-3). Now there is so many that i could not even count. They all shoot now with EM-5 as second body and some even as their main. Main problem that they say is that only thing to bother when shooting micro 4/3 is credibility in their client’s eyes becouse of so small camera body and compact lenses.
GX7 and GH3 might be the volume sellers, but believe me, if you go to pros shooting stills they either have EM-5 in their bag or planning to buy it, but rarely will admit it.
Average people, especially in wedding shoots and studio portraits expect that bigger is better and it is sometimes hard to justify their gear size as there is dozens of Canon-Rebel-uncles (guys) shooting in the crowd with bulkier bodies. There are many pros who shade their OM-D in the camera bag becouse of current consensus.
I believe that if Olympus play their cards right, this might be REALLY tempting with pros. If there are enough pros buying this, it will guarantee the system will live and prosper. Just include MMF-3 and grip in kit and they are buying.
I don’t have a clue about volume.
How many 43 and m43 cameras / lenses were made to date?
What is the order of magnitud? 1,000 / 10,000 / 100.000 / 1.000.000 units?
That’s such BS.
Let’s see some numbers to back up the claim on Pros using the EM5.
If by “pro” you mean the guys on the sidelines shooting sports, you won’t see much else than Canon or Nikon. Often I’m one if them (with my giant white lens). But I also get paid for editorial work and for that kind if work I don’t need the servo focusing mode of a Canon 1DX. My fine art work is sold in galleries and I could seriously benefit from a lighter weight kit when I’m working the road.
I’ll bet that most of the comments claiming that OM-D gear isn’t used by pros are clearly written by people who have never been paid to create images.
The top view looks very nice with a lock on the mode dial. But for me this is like Devil temping me. My mode dial broke off on the E-M5 and Olympus sucks at repairs, so they really are going to have to work hard to get me to spend $1500 or even $1 on any Olympus product.
Is there a reason why the street price of a FF CanoNikon body costs the same as a m4/3 body? Olympus needs to get some clue on how to provide service.
The top left of em-1 is even more similar to om-1 in respect to em-5! same on-off switch position and film winder vs “fake film winder” positions!
I am a pro and I use the em5 without shame
as was said earlier a pro camera, is a pro’s camera… Anyone making money from photograpy is a pro, and any gear good enough for them is “pro” gear. End of discussion!
Looks real sweet.
If this photo were reposted in reverse we could post an other 300 comments:) The next post will be the box, and then then….
This will be a great camera but like the site admin I think the price may be a huge barrier like it has been with the EP5.
The E-P5 is in sort of a rough position. At it’s price point, the lack of an EVF is pretty obvious. On the other hand, it’s good as good a sensor as any camera Olympus sells, and it’s got class-leading image stabilization built-in. But, when potential buyers are clicking off features, the GX7 now has IS, as well. Though it may not be as good, it’s a harder sell for the E-P5, and that’s without comparing it to the G6, GH3 (now on sale), NEX-7, NEX-6, E-M5, and even the Fuji X-E1 or the Nikon 1 V2 (eww). Not to mention the seemingly dozens of ordinary DSLRs under the E-P5’s price point.
E-M1 is a little bit of a different beast. Weather-sealing, solid grip, and PDAF (all rumored, of course) put it a higher category, with a corresponding higher price tag. It will be interesting to see how it compares to the NEX-7 successor, and even the rumored Nikon D300s and Canon 7D replacements. In a lot of ways, those are the cameras it will be competing against. As a side note, anyone know how Sony’s NEX Fast Hybrid AF performs? It’s in a few models, and I suspect the implementation is similar to what the E-M1 has, but no one seems to comment on its effectiveness.
Why this iAuto setting on this camera? Seems totally out of place.
That is what my wife uses so we don’t need to take a P&S
As someone explained earlier, if you have a need to just hand the camera over to a someone who hasn’t a clue – perhaps the bride wants a photo with her and the photographer – you can just set it to iAuto and tell them to just get the subject in the frame and press the shutter release. It’s just Olympus thinking of everything.
It’s the same with the much maligned Art filters – some people might have occasion to use them while others might never use them. You can’t use whats not there but you can ignore what is.
In reply to Clubber Lang:
Gee whiz, what planet have you been living on? The 4/3 format has been knocked for years by the FF and APS-C forums all over the internet. Even all the innovations created by Olympus like Live-View was ridiculed incessantly by the CanNikon crowd right up to the point that their cameras later adopted it.
Calm down there chucky. It’s only photography. Nobody’s life is in jeopardy here.
Of course it has to be expensive, it’s a Pro level camera. We can be happy that it will be cheaper than the E-5 was.
It is not pro…. Pro will use a camera with bigger sensor. Its a fun camera with nice features and weathersealing. Kids will love it.
So rebels are pro?
Are you a Pro Photographer? If not, please shut up.
Love that you are so deluded you think you can talk for every professional in every circumstance. Your either stupid or utterly naive or both!
Sure for some things in some circumstances ff will remain for the time being better, but for lots of things at is no longer the case. If you can’t see this then you simply don’t know anything about any photography other than the small variety you are engaged in
From what people here posted, pros are mostly laborers , equipment movers. The difference with enthusiasts is that they get paid for hard work they do for others, and enthusiasts enjoy themselves shooting what they want themselves. Who care to use what pros use. Like truck drivers. Sure, lots of power. The smart enthusiasts drive smaller sportive cars.
What’s up with all this “pro” photographer talk these days? It seems to me that some people still think the camera makes a photographer, and that’s just a cheap excuse to make up for lack of vision. “I could be an amazing photographer too if I had THAT camera” is not a mantra to photograph by, and will get you nowhere.
Besides, so many people out there still shoot film, slides, Polaroid, large format, etc. that your two cents about the “pro” world are worthless.
I really like checking out camera tech because it’s such an amazing time for affordable digital photography at long last, but honest to god some of the comments on this site are worse than YouTube comments.
+1
To me this looks heavenly. I hope they have made it attractive to most professionals with decent battery and very responsive AF. I also hope the video specs and price are competitive with the GH3 list price.
so any idea if the lens will be available immediately? i have a trip in early october that would be a perfect test for this nice-looking zoom lens.
That lens just looks so BOSS!!!!!!! I want one….want some tests….give it up Olympus!!!!
Yeah, BOSS!!
This lens looks like a killer. No mess with me.
I surrender.
Take my money.
I want to see one review vs Panasonic to confirm our expectations.
Apparently the E-M1 + 12-40 is bigger than the GH3 + 12-35.
http://www.thephotosoup.com/2013/08/em1-vs-gh3-size.html
Not sure this is right, see;
http://camerasize.com/compare/#289,381
The gh3 is 11mm wideer than em5, and all estimates on how much the grips adds to em1 width or around the 3-6mm range, leaving it still substantially smaller. Or have I missed something?
Hahahahaha
Its so ironic that the exact same people that I are having geargasms over the em1 are mfor the most part the same people that commented the gh3 was stupid big.
Its so fun to go look at thos3 comments and compare them. The hypocrisy. ..
Oh, hi true whiner.
Could you please be a little more original with your trolls? You have been using this one for a while now, its entertainment value is gone.
That’s because I dont make the stuff up as I go, this isnthe thruth plain and simple. If you bother to check youd see it. But you wont, because the vast majority of anonymous cowards are nithing but fantards.
I also don’t think it was right. There have been other size comparisons with the E-M5 using the 17mm lens as a common reference, and the results suggest the E-M5 should be just 1 cm wider than the E-M5 but just slightly taller.
I am quite sure that the E-M1 is smaller and more importantly, lighter than the heavy GH3. Olympus 12-40mm is however bigger, and therefore the net overall (camera + zoom) size would be close. If the rumor is correct in that the 12-40mm has higher IQ than the 12-35mm, I am happy. The larger lens size suggests that Olympus has to use more in the glass, with the result that it is larger even though there is no OIS, to get the optical quality right, i.e. less reliance on software corrections.
For me, the considerations are good quality first, less weight second and smaller size third for a high grade lens. Otherwise, a kit zoom would be much cheaper.
no way! there is a prob in your comparaison.
I don’t think so. Here’s my overlay of an E-M5 on the E-M1: http://i1351.photobucket.com/albums/p794/An0nemu5/Forum/E-M1-E-M5Sizecomp_zpsd00e5614.jpg
Now compare that to the camera size site choosing the from above view: http://j.mp/PLX99T
Funny reading the comments and seeing how much the FF fanboys fire up on news like this. I reckon you could almost set up a fanboy perceived “threat level” rating based on the amount and depth of slander and baselessness of the comments made. I’m rating this one “high” 🙂
I’m loving the look of the E-M1 and will have to seriously resist trading in the M5 for it. I love my 14-54 and have been waiting for the day I could expect quick focus again… Saying that, I could always get the 12-40 instead and trade off a bit of long end for reduced weight, a bit more light, and possibly slightly better focus performance (still waiting to see how Olympus on sensor phase detect performs…) Decisions decisions!
The E-M1 is a watershed for Olympus, so in the future the price will be inessential. Olympus is the first company to close the dSLR era, showing that old lenses can be salvaged, but more importantly that its performance as an action camera can be unimpaired.
It is of course critical that the dSLR replacement be much smaller, a thing that 4/3 never achieved. That is the significance of pairing the body with a smaller 12-40.
Because of the high resolution, high DR, and other features: reactiveness, high frame rate, fast and yet exact AF, it challenges all the camera industry, including the larger formats. That is the very reason why we see the panic and the trolling.
The quantity and quality of lenses from all sides is the best demonstration that m4/3 has become the main hub of the camera industry allowing peerless resolution/weight/size ever.
It puts the rest of the industry in a quandary: yes they have cheaper prices, but they risk more and more to be stuck in old technology as time goes by. They are the undead, while m4/3 is the most lively format in the industry.
Expect all sorts of sniping from the retarded, which invested thousands in what they discover now to be obsolete technology. Not nice to say: but it reminds me of eating peanuts in front of caged animals at the zoo. Please throw them some of your peanuts 🙂
I share the view
Am,
As this camera uses a Sony sensor it’s likely that versions of it will appear in the next NEX cameras. So it will be Sony and Olympus that will enable all those old PDAF lenses to be used, not just Olympus.
I meant dSLR technology. Isn’t Sony abandoning dSLR?
It seems to me that by abandoning the mirror a lot of new technologies become available. And isn’t it amazing that even older formats can be made compatible (up to a point)? Olympus has perhaps the fastest AF of the industry.
My first digital was a Sony Mavica with built in floppy disk. It still makes me laugh, but at least it made me realise that a digital camera needn’t share anything with a SLR.
Conversely 4/3 people were always stuck in a post-film predicament. So the end of 4/3 is really the end of a film leftover.
I have no doubt that Sony saw long ago how digital advancement would help it unseat C&N, which are stuck in a paradigm of the past.
By comparison Olympus was forced to see the light. It was the young engineers in charge of P&S that designed the first Pen, the dSLR team was sidestepped – said one of the Oly managers at the time.
“… Olympus is the first company to close the dSLR era,…”
Contax
Kodak
Minolta
Fuji
Panasonic
Leica
…
all of them stopped producing DSLRs beside Olympus (and I dind’t count those in larger formats)
Sigma and Sony could join the club.
The remaining players will be…
Canon
Nikon
Ricoh (Pentax)?
…?
My feeling is Olympus is completely dictated to by their relationship to Sony
Hence the lack of any real improvement in RAW Video and 2-4K video features and frame-rates.
Like so many mentioned before I think Olympus are maintaining the E-M1 as a stills camera.
Simply because they do no have the Cojones to face down Sony and produce a killer
MFT Stills and Video Camera.
E-M1 is designed for photographers rather than video shooters. The reasons you give have nothing to do with the real reasons
Hmm, getting concerned about lack of IR AF assist.
The E3/E5 have one.
May affect low light AF speed and accuracy.
IR AF assist? on an E-3?
I mean.. yes, it has an IR sensor for its remote control, which has nothing to do with AF whatsoever, but until such time you put a flash on top, the only low light AF assist it has is a stupidly strobing flash.
Hm, thx for the clarification!
@Z. I think the auto focus assist lamp is on the front below the control dial near the grip. The Engadget video made it visible. Someone correct me if I’m wrong?
http://www.43rumors.com/ft4-possible-e-m5-description/
I’m pretty sure you can see it to the left of the “OM-D” on the front of the camera in the previous post showing the front view.
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-new-e-m1-image-and-user-report-almost-1-stop-improvement-and-hybrid-af-working-for-mft-too/
There still looks to be too little space between the grip and the lens for large fingers, especially if using some of the larger 4/3 lenses.
I wondered about that too. There were some “comparisons” shown between the EM5 and the estimated dimensions of the EM1 based on various reports.
Using that image, I spliced in a third image of my E-1 with 14-54mm mounted. The size could be compared based on the known overall width of EM5 and E-1. (Pretty easy since I own both.)
On the E-1 there’s about 22mm between the indented part of the grip and the lens barrel near the mount.
The grip of the EM1, judging from the more recent, front-view images of the camera, also is indented below the shutter release area. My best estimate is it will have about 20mm between the grip and 12-40mm lens as the camera and lens have been shown so far.
It appears there will be ample room for fingers between grip and lens. Sure seems the new cam is the about-to-be-born ergonomic descendent of the E-1, which would be a very, very good thing indeed.
Correct
I think Olympus would have tried out all their lenses for fit when designing this, so I think there is enough room for fingers.
Thats just one reason this can not be pro. But Kids will love it.
Does it matter? I’ll rather feel young with it.
I use my EM-5 with my 150/2.0 and it works well even with large fingers. The EM-1 is a bit bigger, so there shouldn’t be a problems unless your fingers are the size of bratwursts.
🙁 Video specs?……….
🙂 say ….Hello Nex FF
i had an a99, and will change my top lcd for some of this handy buttons/dials/switch any day.
the top lcd and their light on button are the only waste in my a99, i never used them, never will, god i wish instead i had some programable buttons there.
the top of this camera looks awesome, the best i had ever see, i will try it as soon as i can, even if never owned or touched an olympus before, hell… this could be my first 4/3, just love that top!
400+ comments about the single picture of an already leaked E-M1 and only 100 about the first test report of the same camera???
Was wondering about it too!
Can’t be called a test. Seems like some impressions gathered obviously at one of Olympus touch and try sessions for importers. Contains also false assumptions and shallow understanding.
+1 I had thoughts along the same line.
I am actually happy with the iauto HDR and art modes quickly available, those were lacking on my e3 IMHO, heck would not mind a macro, portrait, sports, landscape mode either as long as I can massage them and use them as a quick preset of camera behavior
Rofl but I am enthusiast not a pro, my issue is needing a monkey weather proof camera and that comes at a certain price.
Any idea what the button on top of the rear control wheel does? It looks just like the shutter release.
Nothing
Nothing is what you should say if you don’t know. In this case there are even symbols to show what the buttons inside the dials do (while playback) – View index, and Zoom in.
Never used Olympus? That´s not a button, it´s just design.
Hey folks, enough with the snarkiness. At this point none if us know anything except what we see in a picture.
Oly doesn’t always label everything. Note the lack of a label on the shutter release and the lens release buttons. No label on the front control dial.
I hope the button in the middle of the rear control dial is a configurable function button.
You are rigth, we just don’t know, however I can tell with confidence that it is a button, because if Olympus wanted to have a buttonless main dial, they would have reused the one from the E-M5.
However I stand corrected about I wrote above. The button on the Mode dial is almost certainly a lock, while the checkered square and magnifier symbols, on left and right of the main dial indicate the function taken by the dial during image playback, and are placed on the corresponding side or rotation. Also it seems like Oly has corrected a minor inconguency from the E-M5, where the magnifier has white color, while it should be blue like all the other playback-related functions.
But the white round symbol with a vertical line that the E-M5 has, seems to be gone.
Mode dial is lockable. Round symbol with line through it is the common way to mark focal plane. It marks where sensor is for macro work. Focal plane is now indicated by mode dial’s alignment line.
Since the EM-1 won’t have built-in flash, will it come with a small flash like the OMD EM-5? Is the small flash of the OMD EM-5 sold separately? Would I be able to use it on the OMD EM-1? I only use the flash occasionally and don’t want to buy a big flash to attach to the hot shoe.
It came with the em5. Assume same for em1
E-M5 “small flash” (FL-LM2) comes with the camera.
E-M1 will be the same.
Thanks! Now I wonder why some people are complaining that the EM-1 doesn’t have a built-in flash. If it comes with the FL-LM2 flash, you can leave it on all the time and can substitute a built-in flash. What would be the disadvantage (if any)? I will probably sell my Panasonic GH2 and buy the EM-1 because I want Olympus colors (without having to process RAW files), the EVF which should be better than the one in my GH2 and the 5-axis IBIS which works for stills and videos.
A question , would appreciate if I could have some feedback .
I have the 12-60 mm swd lens and I will be purchasing the omd-em1 when it comes out, but I was wondering about the pro lens 12-40mm, or would I be better off getting a couple prime lens maybe the 12mm and 45mm not sure what would be best so if anyone could help it would be much appreciated, thank you
First, best to wait on reviews to see iq. I have the 12-35, the 12, 17, 25 and 45
The 12 is an awesome landscape lens. The 17 I use for social stuff, the 35mm equiv just works for me. The 25 I use when light is v low, and the 45 is a wonderful portrait lens for shallow dof. But as a walk around lens I use the 12-35mm
Depends on what you most enjoy shooting! The 45 is v cheap, so if you can afford the 12-40 and the 45mm do that!
Enjoy :). Great to see a sensible question here!
12-40 has better IQ than 12-60 but not the speed of 12 or 45
If that is true, then the 12-40 2.8 will be one very sweet lens. If it can equal the Panny 12-35 for center sharpness and improve upon the corner sharpness, then it will become another Zuiko classic as well as be in high demand.