Finally an FT5 rumor about the new Olympus OMD camera! To be honest the latest 48hours I got around five OMD rumors from five different sources! I am now working out the specs and trying to triple check them before to post them on 43rumors. But all I can say for sure now is that a High End OMD camera will be announced. It will NOT be a replacement of the current [shoplink 29074]Olympus E-M5[/shoplink]. It is a high specs and more expensive camera!
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FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
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FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
234 Responses
probably it’s an E5 replacement in M43!
I like this ‘probably’.
Will all of you Four Thirds users please go somewhere else. It’s getting really tiresome reading about your forlorn dreams of redemption. It’s not coming. Let it go. Move on. Sorry but it’s just getting sad.
OBS should mean OBC too
> Will all of you Four Thirds users please go somewhere else…
You better hope 4/3 cam is comming, so lamenting for it can stop.
And why 4/3 users should not post in 4/3 rumors forum in your opinion?
When Olympus does indeed release the new E-7 (as rumored) I am going to buy it and many of those sweet 4/3 Zuiko lenses. 🙂 I’m hoping for at least 18MP, but 24MP would be sweet though.
Also, I will buy a micro 4/3 camera and lenses. Why? Just because. 🙂
Maybe if more people supported 4/3, Panasonic would have kept making bodies and lenses for the mount. If you want to see more 4/3 bodies and lenses support Olympus.
As an E-5 user, I hope it one is an M4/3 one but with great on-sensor PDAF, so that will be a perfect M43 for 4/3. Look at this video of 50-200SWD ON e-p5, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kvVdZygt4&list=UUJQ3mEeS_ECVr7kIWE_rGCg, I am sure that 4/3 user is NOT abandonded by Olympus, sure a new great camera with the best 4/3 support will be there! However, that should be a mirrorless one, I have enough with the problem of autofocus prcision of E-5 and on-sensor PDAF will kill 100% that probleme, and E-5 is just too heavy!
But the name of this website is 43 Rumors….they cannot go somewhere else…this is their home…you are but a an unwanted guest?
LOL!
Exactly!
This is THE 43 rumors site!!!
4/3 is DEAD. It’s not going to make a comeback no time soon.
And this is coming from a person who still uses his L-1.
Stop dreaming, and move on.
I think you forgot to take your meds today. 🙂
4/3 is NOT dead. It just needs a little revitalization. The rumored E-7 should do just that.
Look at that, is the autofocus speed match up with L-1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kvVdZygt4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJQ3mEeS_ECVr7kIWE_rGCg Hope that will give you some confident with the new 4/3 camera
Look at that, is the autofocus speed match up with L-1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kvVdZygt4&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJQ3mEeS_ECVr7kIWE_rGCg Hope that will give you some confident with the new 4/3 camera
If I want BIG bodies and BIG lenses, I’ll step out the door with my FF Canon DSLR. I am not going to walk around with a BIG body 4/3 sized sensor camera, unless I want to be nostalgic.
Four Thirds is Dead. Leave it alone.
Well, the 14-54 AND 50-200 is not really big nor heavy compared with that equivalent from FF.
The best match with FF is still fast primes.
There are no FF lenses slow enough to be equivalent F/5.6-F/7.0 just doesn’t swing it
yes, you are right, but even f4 ff lens is much heavier than 4/3 2.8-3.5 ones, like canon 100-400L, that’s just one stoper faster but at least 40% heavier. AND LOOK AT 24-120 F4 FROM NIKON, that’s also 40% heavier than 12-60 and has much worser corner quality, it’s matches with 12-60 only much f > 5.6, that cost just the 2 stops advantage fg gains.
well you are right, but there isn’t not much FF lens works well even at wide open, often they need 2 stops down to get a good image.
4/3 sensors are FAR from dead. This forum has covered more M.4/3 mount than 4/3 mount news for some time.
Please stop insulting the 4/3rd people. Their system will never die. It is the best out there. Now I must leave this nonsense and relax by popping a movie Into to my Sony Betamax.
Please stop insulting the 4/3rd people. Their system will never die. It is the best out there. Now I must leave this nonsense and relax by popping a movie Into to my Sony Betamax.
Well, some people are obviously happy with what works for them, even if it is not the best.
But since you obviously do not understand this, please check what time it is already (on your Breitling watch),sit carefully into your Porsche(the best), so your Armani (best) suit remains impecable, and go meet Donald Trump (or Silvio Berlusconi if it happens you live in Europe)at Hilton (best) hotel, and tell him how weird people you have just met on 4/3rumors.com
Please stop disparaging the Beta max. All it needs is a new model to revitalize it. Beta max is not dead!
Stupid!
43 people have some of the best lenses ever made! Ever!
Olympus ain’t going to come up with revisions to the internal electronics and AF motors for their lenses. They aren’t going to do any more 43 lens development. If by anything, it is Olympus who decided to quietly abandon their 2nd lens mount in their entire corporate history. You can go deny all you like, but that ain’t going to change the hard facts.
I really wander what makes 4/3 haters so angry. Is it us, 4/3 lovers? Relax man. You do not have 4/3 equipment, and you really should not bother for us. Maybe you can find some help concerning your 4/3rumors.com obsession.
And by the way
– where did you hear about Olympus modifying or developing new 4/3 lenses? I would just love to hear about it.
– what are the hard facts you are mentioning ?
– What am I denying in your opinion ?
Olympus have stated this is exactly what they’re trying to do, so it’s not really an unreasonable hope.
Olympus have never led anyone astray , have they !
grow some balls and post using your own name. I did not write that
Hey Jerk…the site is 43rumors…not douchebagcentral.com.
Chill out
The big question is; can it fully use 4/3 lenses?
The big answer: http://www.43rumors.com/double-hint-from-pekka/ .
Where’s that “big answer” by Pecker? Call me illiterate, but I don’t see anything about the E-M5 successor and its PDAF prowess or lack thereof in the linked source.
“E-P5 AF with 4/3 system lenses: Maybe there is a slight improvement over E-M5 maybe not. I tried shortly but did not notice anything worth closer look because the real thing for 4/3 lens owners is already on its way.”
That may just hint at an E-6 and not necessarily at a m4/3 camera.
“IF” Olympus was to try and revitalize the Four Thirds camera, they will loose TONS of money to please the HANDFUL of FT users and they will go out of business, get de-listed and gobbled up by Sony.
I’m sure that will happen.
The only customer for a new FT camera is one that is stuck with a few FT lenses. And there’s not a lot of you around to make it profitable.
Why don’t you view FT lenses as simple legacy, just like OM? Or Leica M39/M? I have all kinds of glass (makes me happy, don’t care what others think). Whether I get focus peaking for the older MF lenses or a camera with PDAF for my fine FT glass, I’ll be happier.
Come to think of it: what’s your problem anyway? Or do you really think this PDAF technology (that can be used for FT lens support) is some isolated issue in the world of modern technology? If so, you are quite ignorant, my son 🙂
The big answer, is not mentioned by admin, but if you understand chinese, or you can use google translate, you will know this big boss of Olympus imaging(who is also an E-30 user), said that 4/3 is not forgotten by Olympus, and they will release a product before the end of 2013 which meets up the demanded of 4/3 users, and he said E-3 or E-5 are way too heavy. So, that not a hint, that’s something sure that will come!
What you have to understand is that some if the biggest oldest dinosaurs are I olympus itself. They can daydream all they want but they don’t have the spare cash to update 43. Not saying this is a good thing, just reality.
Remove ‘;’ and ‘?’.
Panasonic has set the bar pretty high…
Totally agree, gonna be hard to beat what Pana have done with GX7. Good times for m43 users though! Plenty of choice
Olympus has no intention to come up with an attractive price, so in that way they cant beat the GX-7.
Glad to see this is still the Oly fanboy site, and that self-delusion is alive and well.
Why do we see so many anonymous bores lately? At least think of an alias, you lazy git.
How so? No Panasonic so far can match 18 months old E-M5, GH3 and GX7 come close, but no cigar.
Form factor – the biggest thing IMO
tiltable viewfinder with higher res – tilting is a great feature IMO
1/8000 shutter
Focus peaking that works in still and video. Peaking is better then on G6
Good wi-fi/NFC (I use it for tethering my GH3)
Kept in body flash
1080p60 video
Mg alloy body
Price – I think for a launch price what’s on offer is pretty awesome
Sure in body stabilisation may not be as good as Oly, but it’ll still correct for a couple of stops and it works in video which is cool. It also turns off in body IS when an OIS lens is connected.
OK, let’s go item by item:
“Form factor – the biggest thing IMO”
The smallest thing IMO. GH3 is too big and heavy, GX7 about the same size/weight.
“tiltable viewfinder”
Totally useless unless you are a sky shooter with you neck in neck brace. Otherwise, it is uch easier to hold your neck straight to viewfinder to shoot strait instead of bending it down to shoot straight.
” with higher res”
Higher res is good, but on E-M5 it is plenty of resolution already – what, are you going to print posters from the viewfinder that 1.4 mpix is somehow limiting?
” – tilting is a great feature IMO”
Useless one.
“1/8000 shutter”
Yeah, marginally useful for those who like to shoot the most expensive primes wide open in bright sunlight without filters – for everybody else 1/4000s is plenty. And it is only on GX7, not on GH3.
“Focus peaking that works in still and video. Peaking is better then on G6”
How do you know it is better? And it is only marginally useful for manual lens owners. Then again, there is always Key Line II art filter.
“Good wi-fi/NFC (I use it for tethering my GH3)”
Useless battery-killing gimmick. Nobody hold a camera in one hand and shoots with their smartphone in another.
“Kept in body flash”
So you always HAVE TO bring it with you even if you don’t need a flash at all or bringing much better external flash. Great.
“1080p60 video”
Huge files, limited compatibility, and all the rotational shake is there (meaning real life hand-held videos – unlike those taken by pros with steadicam rigs or testers with tripods) – are better on E-M5 because the codec does not have to encode all that shaking.
“Mg alloy body”
Just as E-M5.
“Price – I think for a launch price what’s on offer is pretty awesome”
GH3 is awfully overpriced, GX7 is $400 overpriced compared to the current price of NEX-6 and even $150 higher than the current price of E-M5 for no reason.
“Sure in body stabilisation may not be as good as Oly,”
No it is not, and unlike the gimmick of tilt-up EVF, it is a real disadvantage. Another very real disadvantage is ability to use it is wet or dusty conditions, which are everywhere outside of studios.
” but it’ll still correct for a couple of stops and it works in video which is cool.”
It does not work in video.
” It also turns off in body IS when an OIS lens is connected.”
Just as Oly PENs. Of course with OM-D, it is better to turn off OIS as it simply cannot stabilize rotational and translational movements.
The GX7 is just as good as the OMD. The only thing the OMD has over it is weather sealing and a more attractive price, IF they reduce it to compete once the GX7 drops.
Doesn’t matter to me, My reserve is already made for the GX7.
All this cant be true.
Biggest, and saddest, fanboy reply ever on this site.
The gx7 clearly outspecs the em5 according to YOUR OWN list. For each thing it was better you wrote “its not a big deal”. The same things that make the ep5 a “hit” suddenly dont matter on the gx7 (the max shutter, vf res and wifi).And the first one was hilarious “the gh3 is huge and the gx7 is about the same size/weight”. Hey admin just posted a side to side with ep5, theyre exactly the same, isthe ep5 just as “hugemongous” as the gh3? The flash bit was also funny, “carrying around a flash even if you dont need it”, hahahahaha how much you think that flash weighs? 5 pounds? Do you know all the times youll use a flash? No you dont, so with the pen youll have to carry it around with you just in case or miss the shot because you left it. I carry the em5 flash around everywhere because if that, 90% of the time it ends up being unused but when I need it I thankfully have it. Add on accessories are a hassle and it takes a hardcore fanboy not to recognize it. You also suggest the camera cannot be used outside a studio because its not weather sealed. So 95% of cameras are studio cameras? And the only people who think connectivity is not great and convinient are the people who havent used it. Having my photos right now instead of after the drive home and getting on my computer is a huuge thing, unless you only share your photos with your cats. And youre dead wrong about the ibis automatic switch, if you use an ois lens on the omd you have to turn it off otherwise youll get a bunch of blurry photos even at 1/1000 of a sec. I has happened to me a lot and has been documented. The oly does NOT switch ois off.
A new low for 43rumors, bravo
what is the difference between a fanboy and one who defends one brand all the time?
In-deed. These guys deserve each other! 🙂
Both are GREAT cameras, btw! Why? Because I say so. What luxury problems we all have.
a fanboys rant makes no sense, like the one above (the gx7 is suitable only for studio????what about the 98% of all other non weather sealed cameras?) defending a brand requires somebody else attacking it. So you just validated what ive been saying all this time, this place does nothing than look for excuses to attack pana. And ill say it again, im a happy OM D owner…
Face it once and for all, this is a GREAT camera with E V E R Y T H I N G all of you have been asking for YEEEEEARSSSS but whats wrong with it?? it doesnt say olympus on the front. The very list of things that are supposedly not that compelling about it is the SAME list that made the ep5 compelling. All you gotta do is go back to the ep5s announcement, I said it was too expensive and got replied the SAME list of specs this camera has. The whole m43s community boards agree this is a oly fanboy infested place
TrueHomer Why do you bother so much? Are you a PanaBoy? Eventually we’ll get what we want to buy, so stop defending/accusing fans please. If you don’t like this Oly ruled places, Mount Olympus of m43 lovers, climb down the mountain and stop whining.
Oh dear I didnt see a few other even sadder things…
You actually claim the camera cannot be used ouside a studio because of weather sealing..soooo…98% of all cameras are studio cameras?
Ibis switch is not automatic on pens, it has been well established that if you leave ois on it will fight with ibis
And now you know pana ibis wont work on video? Just like you knew it didnt have a front dial?
Btw the gx7 also has a flash sync speed of 1/320, is that another useless feature?
Apparently the E-P5 will deal with the OIS & IBIS conflict by defaulting to one only. I’m not sure about the details though.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say I’m one of the only people on here who has actually tried the GX7. You are a troll and I personally couldn’t care less what you think. I have no brand loyalty to Pana but I don’t like seeing misinformation spread as others will look and think this is correct.
* tilting viewfinder isn’t just for sky shooters as you say. I saw first hand 40 people using GX7’s and how helpful the tilting view finder was. I witnessed sunrise/sunset shoots where the gx7 was on a tripod and how easy it was to continue using a viewfinder in that situation. I saw people shooting low angle and macro shooting again where it was useful. Sorry but you’re wrong.
* wifi – you obviously haven’t tried it. Firstly, I can keep my smart phone in my pocket and setup my Gh3 to automatically transfer images to it while I’m shooting. I don’t need to hold both devices as you mention.
* peaking – how do I know it’s better then g6? I’ve used both. Gx7 provides 3 different colour options and two different sensitivity levels. It’s also assignable to a fn button. I used this on the gx7 with voightlander, canon fd lenses and was excellent.
* stabilisation – it does work in video
* price – why are you comparing it to a model that is oer a year old? Of course prices fall. Compare it to other new cameras and compare the RRP to be fair.
* size/weight – sure it is similar weight to the gh3. To me it felt very comfortable in the hand. It is smaller then the gh3 by a significant amount. As is evidenced by the comparing to the ep5.
For the upcoming OM-D Lite maybe it will be hard to compete, yes 😉
Otherwise, GX7 neither has 5 axis stabilization nor weather sealing an therefore can’t even match the current Om-D model – for me. For the same price, i would prefer the Om-D over the GX-7 .
Of course, it’s a matter of preferences. Focus peaking, WiFi remote control and 1/8000 shutter speed are missing in the E-M5, but that does’nt compensate missing weather sealing and 5-axis stabilization – for me. Other than that, I can’t see any advantage of the GX7. How good the sensor is, has yet to be tested.
The GX7 is heavier than expected, but the same size as the EM5 and lighter than the EM5 with the grip.
No its not. Its within 1mm of the ep5 not the em5 and certainly not with the grip.
GX7 isn’t competing against OM-D Pro. This is good for Panasonic, since the GX7 sales won’t be affected that much by this camera.
There’s still the Sony announcement, but since the EX-6 isn’t that old, and unlikely to get refreshed, there will probably be only higher-end stuff, which is also good for Panasonic. Or Sony is pricing the NEX-7 successor (if announced) very aggressively. I wonder if Sony can keep up the pace with sensor performance.
I just don’t see anything new with the GX-7 except a built-in tiltable EVF. And if the sensor of GX-7 is not better than that in EM-5, GX-7 will be abandoned very soon after the arrival of the two new OMD’s.
once, there were rumors:
E-7
hypbrid body
low cost OM-D
now should they reset?
Is true “rumor” only this one?
Anyway, this time, Olympus did very well to hide the development until now.
This year is the 5th anniversary of micro 4/3 and 10th anniversary of 4/3.
Do you know what a rumor is?
Anyway, i is very happy for the is not all rumors so is true. 😉
My only issue is that I WANT the GX7 and I will WANT the new OM-D, but I am so happy with the E-M5 that I don’t NEED them at all. Why do this to us?
Exactly
the GX7 and EP5 are both alternatives to the EM5 … anyone with an EM5 is gonna struggle to find a real reason to change camera
to anyone who has a lower priced or older model … we now have 5x top end cameras to consider (GH3 & G6 are both bigger solutions)
the new high end OMD is going to have to offer some significant upgrade … GH3 beating video? 1/16000, unimaginably high ISO numbers that we font understand plus catch up with WiFi & NFC … and something quirky
my bet is on that modular idea do that its a 43 body and m43 body in one …. waist level finder anyone (hassleblad CM styley)
*sensible post alert* 🙂
I have the OM-D and E-PL5. I’m happy with both. Were I looking now for a camera, I would look at the GX7 as an alternative to the OM-D; but based on my experience with the OM-D so far, it would have to be really, really good. (I’m one of the people who like the nostalgic look of the OM-D and have had no problems with the dials etc., even with my large hands.)
I think Panasonic have certainly answered many of the calls in many forums for a built-in EVF and rangefinder style, so it should sell well and bodes well for the whole of the m.4/3 range.
As to the cost? Well, in the last six months I’ve bought the OM-D and E-PL5, 45mm f1.8, 40-150mm, 75-300mm MKII, Panasonic 14mm f2.5, and body cap lens. (I still use my 4.3 9-18mm) and I don’t give a flying fart what people think of the cost. The whole damned lot has been worth every penny to me and will bring enjoyment for a long while to come; currently eying up the 75mm f1.8 and/or a 17 or 25mm fast prime. It will sell well if it’s a good piece of kit, as it should. It’s always too expensive for those that can’t afford it, which is why I don’t own a Leica, drive a premium car, or live in an expensive house.
Perhaps having/buying a camera is not so much an economic decision, or even an artistic decision, but a spiritual journey. The camera companies exist to challenge us to look deep within ourselves, and to learn who we truly are, what our souls truly need and crave, the essence of our being. By learning to resist false temptations, we express our being with every camera body, lens, and accessory, neither by refusing all nor by desiring all, but by finding a Middle Path, the Way, the Zen, the optimal equilibrium of our Yin and our Yang. On rumor sites, we connect with one another, then, neither in denial of others, nor in total agreement, but as unique beings with incomprehensible, and therefore fantastically beautiful, being-in-world.
(Yes, I need more sleep… but I might actually be serious!)
Made me smile! Yes, maybe you need more sleep. 🙂
Dont get sleep, thats when the fire sale comment come out
Don’t we all need more sleep!
I appreciated your comment, very funny, while poetic and expressive of the ring of truth.
Nicely put.
The biggest upgrade I expect is the phase detect AF in the sensor. Also the body should be bigger, with beefier grip, bigger buttons…
Apart from that, the upgraded EVF from the E-P5 and other smaller improvements.
Yesh…and watch all the Oly fanboys get very confused after they slagged off Panasonic for making the GH3 so big and how it was the antithesis of what MFT was all about. :o)
of course the GH3 will stay BIG for them while the OM-D pro is quite right, very handy and lovely retro 😉
True Oly fanboys (like me) also own (or have owned) 1 or 2 Panasonic cameras and know a thing or two about photography in practice (otherwise they’re just trolling wankers).
I think the GH3 is the perfect example (at least in terms of size) for a new pro Oly camera. I looks a bit big on pictures, but in the hand: very nice.
Wow.. Highend OMD .
This is what I waiting too .
Of course Sensor is my priority , let’s see what this highend OMD offer before decide to get the GX7 .
I dont think we can except a significant change in sensor performance compared with the current OMD, except for some finetuning in higher iso modes as usual.
except= expect
Agreed. Olympus must buy their sensors in bulk and ride them out across every new model until the bin is empty.
But then again they have done an excellent job getting Oly fans excited about “sensor tweaks.” yippidittydoo!
very curious how it will continue the OMD concept & when it will be announced officialy.
Wasn’t a lower end OMD rumored to be unleashed next, followed by an OMD pro late in the year or early next year? I’m rumored to be very patient! 😉
There will be a low end OMD too. But not sure if it comes now. OMD High End camera specs will be posted soon (hope to get them confirmed by trusted sources).
Come to think of it, both, Panasonic and Olympus have mentioned in the not-too-distant past they would be going after customers with short arms and shallow pockets.
Actually, that was supposed to say “long arms and shallow pockets.” Freudian slip, wishful thinking? Maybe both. 😛
But is this an FT5 rumors. 😛
So a high-end O-MD is an FT5, but where is the news about the low-end model? Still happening, or will we have to shell out an even higher price to upgrade? Not sure what “more expensive” means, but given that the E-P5 offers only modest specs compared to the much improved and equally priced GX7, things already don’t spell we’ll for Olympus. With all these rumored improvements coming, expect the body only at ~$2000.
The GX7 main asset is the sunken EVF and indeed its attractive price(though the EP5 superkit is even a better deal imho), but for the remaining its not so spectacular, especially since the IBIS seems to be a crippled version. For the ones doing alot of handheld video, the EP5 or OMD are better options.
Ulli, what attractive about GX7 $1000 body price when NEX-6 body costs less than $600 new?
I was comparing within one format, sure the NEX-6 is very attractive, but are you willing to give up the choices in mft lenses for the NEX collection?
Kiddo, head back to your Playstation now!
Do you need a list of specs again? How could you have forgoten in a day?
Would not buy it even if it was half the price. It’s still a NEX, period. We should discuss other things here.
With camera sales in all categories reported to be shrinking I expect prices to rise with new models as the masses stick with ‘phones.
I also think Olympus were caught out by the good reception of the high-end (in terms of price) GH3. The OM-D E-M7 will correct that mistake.
The first NEX-FF is rumoured to cost $3K. Not in the same market as m43 models.
Used models make a lot of sense. NEX-6 will tempt (kit 16-50mm is small and many won’t buy additional lenses); OM-D E-M5 will fall further and will be very tempting (it’s only 18-months old).
I was disappointed that the GX7 didn’t have PDAF – I’d have given up 5-axis IBIS for that!
Crippled seems a bit harsh?
but true
So the ibis in all other pen models than the ep5 is bad? Id think otherwise from the incessant rants on this site….now I know. Ibis in the epm1, 2 epl1, 2, 3, 5 ep1, 2, 3 is worthless.
I don’t know about the number of axes, but my E-P1 does 2-3 stops easily 🙂
Im just going on with what the previous poster is saying. If panas 2 axis ibis is worthless, then by default all of those pen’s ibis is worthless.
ISnt it fun to see a fantard trip on his own words?
Please don’t forget that Panasonic may have included IBIS but only as a secondary option to OIS, fitting an OIS lens will turn off IBIS according to Panasonic information.
Admin…. about the new lens ???? if a high grade m43 body is coming then it’ll need a better standard zoom than the 12-50…. is this the new lens ?
FF-OMD from the Olympus/Sony camp?
Who wants fullformat? We are the micro people.
Why get a truck when you can drive a Porsche?
Assume that it has some PDAF. Those lenses however are not going to shrink or get magically a second nature.
Some had already backfocus problems with their native AF. They were not particularly quick to focus either. And they’ll stay big.
That is why I am skeptical until I know the other features of the new camera. 1500 $ – 1700 $ seems more likely.
What now becomes paramount is to know the price of the new NEX FF, to which Oly gave a hand. That will be the upper hand of the bracket Oly can afford for the OM-D.
If it has all the improvements of the E-P5, plus some PDAF, some will be attracted, but I certainly won’t find the need to trade my E-M5.
In fact it will seems a camera very convenient to have for a smaller price than at introduction.
PDAF or not has nothing to do with the size of lenses in a system.
-p-
PDAF doesn’t have anything to do with it, but obviously the mirrored 43 system (which happens to use PDAF) does.
Instead of all of this hoopla and lamenting about 43 compatibility, if Olympus would only release Micro43’s versions of some of their classic lenses, the discussion would be over. Give me a 12-60mm f/2.8-4 native to M43 with similar image quality and a bit smaller and I’d be happy.
How much smaller you think it’d be? I’d rather use the existing one. Or rather: the 14-54, which is much better suited to m43.
looking at the price of the “full frame” Sony RX1 I dont think such NEX would be attracive in price.
I’d like an affordable mft camera with evf built in. Olympus can save on production cost by not including an om-d hump.
Better still remove the in built flash from E-M5
Funny, but with the GX7 (G-series and GH-series) you get BOTH!
No compromise necessary.
silly, e-M5 has no built in flash, that is one of it’s features
There are several Panasonic G that all has built in EVF. YOu can get any discontinued models for dirt cheap.
Yes, the G-series are good, but too large for my taste.
Which one. The G6 is comparable in size and weight to the EM5
G6 is monstrosity.
Eh?
From the eyes that have bever seen it. Go to camera size, its the same as the omd
G3 (nice camera) is too small for serious video shooting. I’d rather have a E-M5 w/ grip or GH-2/3. Be educated.
1.
Will I be move my OMD high spec camera while making video or still my cell quality (while moving).
2.
Olympus Europe or still Olympus Internet
???
Is the high-end OMD’s size gonna be similar to E-M5? Or is it going to be like as big as a GH3 or DSLR? Size is very important to m43 cameras.
Sam you seem to belong to the users who always and ever forget that the lenses hae the larger contribution to the system size and weight.
That’s why I choose m43 sensor size and prime lens to keep them small. Overall, I think E-M5 and E-P5’s size are perfect match with small prime lens. It would be less attractive to me if the body is as big as GH3.
I have the gh3 and have never used it, I cant seem to be able to pick it up, its too big. Dont be fooled by the fact that the specs say its smaller than a rebel t5, the gh3 is the hummer of all cameras
It’s massive. Shame I had to leave it in the shop. Even after unboxing and calling a cab for transporting the battery, it was just too much.
today we tried moving it, a couple of contruction workers buddies of mine, 2 bodybuilders and 3 olympic weight lifting champion and we managed to mount it this
http://www.thebroadcastshop.com/images/equipment/Sachtler/system-5386eng2cf-7002-head.jpg
unfortunately it broke after less than 2 seconds and is now laying helplessly in my studio floor.
we need fast lenses!!
http://voigtlaender.com/
For poseurs. Over 60.
Or….people who want fast lenses?
25/0.95 forever! Or at least until I’m 60 (ok, maybe not that long).
It feels like one of the sharpest lenses I’ve ever used. And it peaks before f/4, how’s that? Great for video (primary usage for me). Use it to impress owners of FF cameras!
that must be impressive as there are no FF lenses that could compete with a mighty F/1.9 DOF control , oh wait there are loads lol many of them dirt cheap .The voightlander is overweight oversized and overpriced to get excellent corners from it you have to be shooting at F4
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/voigtlander-25mm-f-0-95-nokton-micro-four-thirds-lens-review-20808/images/highres-Voigtlander25mmNokton_MTF_1354172717.jpg
.wide open it is a hazy mess. To put this in perspective the super cheap Nikon 50mm F1.8 G gives excellent corners from F2.8 on FF!
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/nikon-af-s-nikkor-50mm-f-1-8g-lens-review-16746/images/nikon50mmf18_mtf.jpg
With PDAF That’s will be the FIRST pro m4/3 camera. Sorry but a camera that can’t tracking a man walking can’t be called pro ( GH3 )
read the Foto Magazin test: from a testgroup a bunch of aps class dslr’s gave less less files with nailed focus then the EM5 during the AF test with a racecar passing the test setup, only the expensive high end dlsr’s were clearly superior.
Is there a link for that test?
I think the online tests can be dl as pdf, but not for free. I sometimes buy their mags here in the local shop, so i just have the printed edition for it.
Lamborgini with Prius engine.
LamborgHini, troll..
Adriaantie, please look at that once and for all:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Compare-Camera-Lenses/Compare-lenses/(lens1)/960/(lens2)/169/(lens3)/173/(brand1)/Panasonic/(camera1)/793/(brand2)/Canon/(camera2)/0/(brand3)/Nikkor/(camera3)/680
And then go back to FullFrame rumors…
According to dxo, the Canon and Nikon APS-C lenses are mostly inferior to m43. Only some Sigma primes can compete.
…
It’s hilarious! 🙂
(Still love my Nikon 55-200 VR though. Wonder how it behaves with a Speedbooster…)
if you want significant advantages in resolution get you self a nice new D800 even with cheap off brand makes it delivers excellent results .The Tamron costs around the same as a 12-35 here
http://www.ephotozine.com/articles/voigtlander-25mm-f-0-95-nokton-micro-four-thirds-lens-review-20808/images/highres-Voigtlander25mmNokton_MTF_1354172717.jpg
Volvo V70R. Updated but old-fashioned look, workhorse, practical, versatile, with the soul of a racer. Dismissed by the masses, beloved by those who know. Slow start, but enviable mid-range.
http://youtu.be/UH1UinIfdEw
What we really in this OM-D successor is way better C-AF!!!! I find it very strange I almost never read about this from users??
The OM-D and other cameras with the same sensor are all very great and capable cameras. If they will become better, fine, but I’m still happy with it today.
Micro Four Thirds is a pain with continues autofocus. This has to be fixed! and hopefully with this new camera.
I think customers that want / need a better C-AF bought a camera from Canon or Nikon, because of that almost nobody here wants a better C-AF 😉
It seems so….. I gave up long-time Canon dslr’s and not to many regrets. But bright tele lenses 300mm or a longer focal length are none existent. If they fix C-AF a whole new market is open.
Given the rumor in question (high-end OMD): don’t forget Olympus! For AF-C, I mostly use Oly FT and Fuji (Nikon). Wonderful but very outdated cameras (2008 and older). I never bother with AF-C on m43 bodies.
Enter the new Olympus with PDAF/CDAF hybrid focusing system combined with state-of-the-art IBIS and a great VF! This must be my favorite rumor ever!
I have to agree with Ronald on this one. The main thing keeping me from the OMD is that I shoot kids. The OMD has great quality, great lenses, and a great feel – but my percentage of keepers was too low.
Nonsense. EM-5 is spectacular for kid shots. I’ve had zero problems with mine. Its about timing.
Which is not to say that C-AF could not be improved, which I guess is more to the point. I don’t use it much and find I don’t need to even in action shots. I can imagine some would make good use of however.
Olympus is catching the Sony decease, lots and lots of bodies but where are the lenses, where are the zooms? Trying to build up lots of unsellable inventories? No chance of new tech so same same specs on much similar bodies, some cheaper but mostly more expensive. Guess how the story will end?
Check the previous post on 43rumors and you’ll find an incomplete list of lenses for m43. You can complain for the lack of some fast zooms from Oly, but do you really need more focal lenghts? How many primes do you own currently?
average customers don’t buy primes. first they buy a camera with kit zoom(s), and maybe if they want a better image quality they buy better zooms (that are not available from Olympus so far). I know nobody personally using primes. only photo freaks from forums and rumors sites are using primes, and that are not so much people as it seems 😉 and even I never used a prime lens, even if I make many pictures, because they are not flexible enough for my needs.
Maybe it’s time you tried shooting with primes.
It’s not that bad, REALLY!
😛
borrow him one of your voigtlaenders, that will teach him!
fast m43 zoom are +1000usd/eur…thats not in budget of avg consumer(like me)
so the only option are the primes…more or less fast apperture
And now imagine how good a zoom like the Oly 43 14-54 would sell for the same price as the 14-54 – actually in Switzerland about 640 Swiss Francs… Such a lens for m43 would be a product that many people want, but no company seems to want to produce soemthing like that yet. How many cash could Olympus make with such a lens…
Yay! I’m a freak! 🙂
Me too.
Bmw with a Veyron engine
The magic will be both in solving some problems of CAF (objects coming towards you) and SOME problems of 4/3 proper.
It is an illusion however that it will do both perfectly, and you won’t solve the problems of stepper motors. So don’t expect ‘FAST’ performance with 4/3 lenses. If they can go down to 0.5 sec old geezers will be happy anyway.
For those motors expect bigger batteries, or two of them. A redesigned grip could be the perfect solution. The EVF will also be incredibly big, possibly dwarfing the GX7, with a bigger optics size.
So the dSLR like aspect is explained. It had to have room for all this.
It will be faster to focus than an e5.
With the same lenses? All the progress in the meanwhile has been un the processing power. But 4/3 lenses still need a device to tell them which way to move.
Will it be a hardware device or a SW one, or a combination of both? Also the sales and stocks of 4/3 lenses is minimal, so it will be mostly a prestige thing.
it has to be pdAF on sensor, its the most logical solution
in this way Sony can make themselves indispensable for mirrorless
without it there will always be alternate means, & alternate sensor manufacturers
this is everything to Sony, that is why they must perfect it
Riley, I think that this CAF tracking lacking is overhyped. You you really need Pro performance, placing the legs of a running horse coming towards you, you choose a different system.
I am sure that Oly will try to do something about it, but I am not sure that old 4/3 was good at all at tracking, so it is a different problem, which has to do with 4/3 SAF.
Not the same problem. PDAF on sensor might reveal to be fairly imprecise for 4/3 lenses, or else take a lot of pixels to be precise.
CAF tracking instead might perhaps be solved by brute processing power applied to CDAF.
>Riley, I think that this CAF tracking lacking is overhyped. You you really need Pro performance, placing the legs of a running horse coming towards you, you choose a different system.
to nail it everytime sure, 1Dx
but really other more affordable bodies are only good for 60-75% hit rate in that kind of scenario. Thats the benchmark for m43rds
>I am sure that Oly will try to do something about it, but I am not sure that old 4/3 was good at all at tracking, so it is a different problem, which has to do with 4/3 SAF.
no they need this, as much for m43rds as for 43rds
>Not the same problem. PDAF on sensor might reveal to be fairly imprecise for 4/3 lenses, or else take a lot of pixels to be precise.
it has the potential to be better than pdAF for SLRs in speed, accuracy and low light performance, but it takes a compliant sensor manufacturer to work with them for mirrorless. Fortunately Sony are much in alignment with this, and it suits their stated intentions for getting rid of the translucent mirror in the SLTs
>CAF tracking instead might perhaps be solved by brute processing power applied to CDAF.
they need faster clocking rates anyway
Any decent DLSR (FourThirds included) can do proper C-AF, at least much better than CDAF systems. Has got nothing to do with “pro” – also see comment about some guy saying he shoots kids (with his camera) and not being happy with the E-M5. Makes sense to me.
Throwing more processing power at it can solve it (at the expense of battery life); but it would never be elegant. Moreover, that would only work if you’re willing to give up support for older lenses. And as much as you deplore that, Oly is doing it.
Finally, keep in mind that PDAF is also helpful with manual focus lenses (be it legacy like some old Noctilux lying around) or the new Voigtländer you just bought, because it tells you what direction to turn the focus dial to.
haha… olympus leak the day after GX7 announcement. how predictable and pathetic. gonna be an awesome camera. so awesome that it makes the GH3 cheaper 🙂
Love the one-upsmanship. In the end, the u4/3 system benefits as a whole.
One more detail would be great. That is almost not enough for a rumor.
Olympus is farming/growing the organic sensors right now as we speak, harvesting during the Indian Summer.
Look forward to visiting the waving fields of organic sensors. A scenic shot.
U want more detail ? Than it wont be X-trans with all the mush
New rumor, it has integrated DOF control made by Topaz labs. Finally you can make the switch adriaantie
that would be cool, with all the presets for simulating all the famous lenses with out -of-this-world bokeh like the Helios 40
Global shutter
1/8000
Video raw high bitrate prores
Flash in
Iso 3600
My wish list:
– PDAF on sensor but without loss of IQ compared to E-M5 (increase of IQ is better :D)
– integrated VF4
– 1/8000 shutter speed
– iso 100
– weathersealed
– modular grip like E-M5
I wonder about the new lens… without better zooms from Olympus I see no reason to buy a new camera from Olympus… so many users wait for better zooms, but Olympus seems not to be interested in what their customers want. Olympus should learn from Fuji.
Want better quality zooms?
Check out Panasonic…
7-14mm, 12-35mm, 35-100mm…
1. To expensive for me with this limited zoom range. 2. I’ve seen to many pics with massive CA when used with Olympus cameras… Some people say, no problem to correct the CA in Lightroom with one click, but I don’t want to spend time with RAW. To pay so much for a lens and then I have to make the correction? No thank’s. So I probably will never use a lens from Panasonic with an Olympus camera.
From Mirrorlessrumors: “Olympus will announce the new High End E-M7 the second week of September.”
admin runs both sites … I wonder why he reveals more info there?
maybe he was drunk
Why not, if I was him Id be drunk
Not so long ago it was all weather sealing. Panasonic seem to have got bored with that idea. Will Olympus too? A pox on these biznizmen that don’t know what they are doing. I’m going to save my pennies for a Blackmagic Pocket Camera and just shoot video.
It seems that both Panasonic and Olympus got tired of the weather-sealed lens thing. P = 2. O = 1.
That would be Oly = 2. The 12-50 zoom & 60mm macro. 😉
Wow! A total of 4 lenses to choose from and 3 of them are zooms. How long before they get bored of m43 altogether and try another gimmick in search of a quick buck?
Don’t forget the HG and SHG FT lenses, dear.
Gee honey, I guess it slipped your mind that they’re not native M4/3 lenses.
And even if you adapted them, the adaptors aren’t weather sealed, so the the point is moot.
Darling, please stand corrected: the MMF-3 was introduced together with the OM-5.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842941-REG/Olympus_V3230500W000_MMF_3_Four_Thirds_Adapter.html
Very little slips my mind. That adapter is significant.
My ZD14-54 II which is weather sealed & optimised for CD-AF, makes a weather sealed package on the OM-D E-M5 with the weather sealed MMF-3 & it produces nice photos too. It just isn’t as fast focussing as native M4/3’s lenses are.
“But all I can say for sure now is that a High End OMD camera will be announced. ”
Well, it could have been said 1.5 years ago. 🙂 The questions are then and what is so high end about it?
triple check, why don’t you quadruple check the info, for this RUMOR site!
Of course you got a load of emails with Olympus rumors. Panasonic had just announced their new camera, so Olympus has to fight back. Interesting that you had 5 different sources, I think you can safely assume these sources are getting their information from Olympus and are told what to release and when.
Well, I will put everything on hold until year end.
So many new cameras to come, so many goodies!
(Hey, may be the upcoming Canon G2X is good too as an all-in-one camera!)
Strongly rumored alpha79 with 32mp sensor that’s improved in all respects with a new af system may be the sensor Olympus puts into this beauty.
Scale it down to keep equal image quality and we have a 24mp sensor finely tuned and mated to a new dual or quad core processor for that imaging pipeline and we’re gonna see resolving power not yet seen with our m43 lenses.
Well that’s a possibility at least that I hope to see come to fruition.
Panny has come out with something unique to the m43 community with the Gx7 and they deserve credit for that. Interesting to see if Olympus takes it to the next level. Good times for this format.
I would love to see a mirrorless 4/3, 24MP E-7. 🙂
we heard you the 1st time 🙂
I like my ‘M5 very much, and I wouldn’t want something a lot bigger. Perhaps a little wider and a little deeper would be ok.
It could do with better ergonomics, though. Not the grip, which is ok for me, but the placement of buttons and dials could be improved.
For me to upgrade, it would have to have a new killer feature. 1/8000 shutter time and “low ISO” are great, and another EV of DR or 14-bit RAW would also be excellent, but it wouldn’t really be a tiger leap in terms of what I can creatively do with my camera.
I’m much more interested in what Olympus brings from their bags of trick. Something new and unexpected, like the live bulb and 5-axis IBIS.
Oh, and please let’s have some decent video-modes, too, with a better implementation of external microphones.
I’d wager Olympus will overprice this camera, everyone will praise it, yet very few will buy it until a substantial price drop.
No doubt the camera will be overprice 😉
It’s not intended for the masses, so the economies of scale that apply there don’t apply here. Be educated.
This probably means there will never be a 50-200 and 12-60 version (perfect zooms for me) for m43 🙁
Were you seriously hoping they would shrink them down, throwing in some software distortion correction so the legendary performance of the originals would not be met and people on forums like these would complain forever? These people know how to make lenses and they already made a few good ones. Would be sad if they threw both their lenses AND their reputation away.
When the new OM-D is no replacement for the E-M5, than olympus should update some features with a firmware: focus-peaking, mysets on mode dial, smaller af field,
X sek. shutter delay with more than 1p,…
Oh yes, make it so. But I am afraid it won’t happen. Oly is much more avid than Fuji.
Fuji makes the job much better then Olympus…
Than and Then
Correct use of Than
I’ve already seen it too many times today. Than and Then, there’s a difference.
I sure hope the new OMD is somewhat like the new Olympus Tough TG-2. Its got flash and all sorts of cool features. And its not very expensive!
Regarding potential pricing of the O-MD pro that could be a major problem the E-M5 body only was £999 here in the UK
http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/graphs/Olympus_OM-D_E-M5_Body_graph.png
Considering we are now in a time when you can have a Nikon D600 or Canon 6D for around £1300. The D600 has a superb FF sensor, in a weather sealed body , Dual slots, 100% VF etc. . Where do you price the new O-MD the Panasonic GH3 may have launched at £1200 it only became widely available around Christmas time by February it had dropped by £300 { I am happy that I got mine with the 30% off lumix lifestyle offer 🙂 }.
All the bells and whistles in the world don’t help if you cannot match the image quality of cameras often costing much less , and there are no shortage of alternatives. I am happy with my GH3 bodies and the only interest in the O-MD Pro would be if it had significantly better C-AF and tracking preferably with support { proper fast AF } for FT lenses though I only have the 50-200SWD it is a great option for my limited telephoto uses.
I agree with you. There seems to be this tendency to keep raising the price of premier m4/3 bodies to the point where they cease to be competitive.
As you mention, you have some fine FF bodies from Nikon and Canon that are not too far off top end m4/3 pricing…esp. if this new OMD will be priced higher than OMD 5.
Then you have the Sony NEX series, the Fuji X series…even the Canon M series…all with larger sensors, all with comparable or lower pricing.
The biggest costs in a DSLR are the sensor and the mechanical mirror/prism. These m4/3 cams have a smaller sensor, and thus lower cost per sensor. They don’t have the mirror/prism assembly. The electronics are all subject to the same cost curves of Moore’s law, just like computers, smartphones, etc…and so if anything we should be getting more for less, because most of the bells and whistles are due to electronics.
I know the conventional wisdom now is that the money is at the high end of the market, and it is, but that is no reason to simply escalate prices. You have to justify those prices, and it’s getting harder and harder for Oly and Panny to justify the cost of their higher end models given the competition. It will only get tougher once Sony announces their next round of NEX, and Fuji updates the X Pro 1 and XE1 the way they did the X100s.
Too simplistic:
1. D600 is a fine camera (if you get one without the dirty-sensor problem). But body alone it’s much heavier and bigger and therefore not so portable at all if you carry more than one lens. For tele, FF is almost obsolete IMO: an E-M5 would be good enough if it had proper AF-C. Good FF lenses are very expensive, heavy and big. Different use case.
2. Economies of scale make that Canikon can make a lot of money with their low-end DSLRs (new models released so often I hardly can’t keep track). For the last 10 years, they basically have been improving the same technology (some of it dating back to the film era). Meanwhile, Oly and Pany have a lot of innovating to do, while they don’t have the revenues of the big companies. Thus, they should be compared against each other (and Fuji).
Even if you did get a sensor that needed cleaned it takes less than a minute to do so, though I suspect many of these “problems” reported on forums are much exaggerated often by folk who have never touched the camera just as with the GH3 EVF or E-M5 ISO exaggeration.
The FF noise advantage combined with a far better selection of fast high grade lenses are some of the key reasons most pro sport and action shooters choose them.A 2xTC on any FF would give you the exact same crop effect as using mFT or FT { same AOV same DOF }. Though there are lenses for Nikon FF covering from 14-1200mm 2400mm if you use the 2XTC. The disadvantage is of course size and weight.Then there is the small matter of worldwide pro support for Canon and Nikon shooters.
As to releasing new models frequently there seems to be a new mFT camera every other month in fact there have been 29 mFT models since they started in OCT 2008 which works out at an average of one new model every 2 months
release chart half way down page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Four_Thirds_system
In the same time period Nikon have had 17 DSLR’s.Though their imaging divisions are indeed small both Olympus and Panasonic dwarf Nikon as a company , as they have other key business areas such as medical imaging an arena Olympus dominate. Imaging makes up almost all of Nikon.
I am fully aware of the advantages of mFT which is why I have an extensive mFT set up.However I am also fully aware of the advantages of FF. All systems have their pros and cons and alas none are perfect. Personally I am very happy to use the best of both systems.A FF & mFT mix makes for an excellent set up covering all bases.
“The FF noise advantage combined with a far better selection of fast high grade lenses are some of the key reasons most pro sport and action shooters choose them.A 2xTC on any FF would give you the exact same crop effect as using mFT or FT { same AOV same DOF }”
what a load of jackze shitze
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3514746
and the winner was – EM5, sometimes by more than a stop
please , suggesting a DPreview forum post as a reference is borderline comical. There is so much hype and bias from the Olympus mFT shooters that everything you see about the E-M5 is grossly exaggerated .There where posters canvassing other sites attempting to get folk to sign up to DPreview just to vote for the E-M5 in a camera of the year poll on the site ,talk about despados .
To save inane rants download RAW test shots from a site that has reasonably controlled shots ( that rules out DPReview) from the D800 and the E-M5 , focus numerique is amongst the better options. And with regards to high Iso you can either have two stops more detail or sacrifice some of the extra detail of the D800 to NR and have two stops cleaner high Iso with at worst the same detail. Links to the download page
E-M5 1600
http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1381/compact-olympus-om-d-e-m5-bruit-electronique-12.html
D800 6400
http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1390/reflex-nikon-d800-bruit-electronique-12.html
Download the respective files and turn off all NR including the defaults in ACR and you will see that what I suggest is correct. Both systems offer their own advantages and disadvantages which is why I own both . To suggest that FF does not have a clear advantage in IQ is nonsense
2 posts obviously from the same psycho?
I forgot to put my name in the post, you on the other hand are anonymous and using your anonymity to dish out petty insults. It is just like being on DPreview { or any forum that includes Olympus fans for that matter} care to own up to your real name . Though we all know you have problems with your real name.
Calling you a psycho is accurate reporting. This man doesn’t sound like a psycho.
He says the processing is the same. They have each been processed using RPP using VCDMF demosaicking, the K64 colour style. There is no NR or sharpening. They have been level adjusted to get close to the same brightness and resampled using Lanczos to the pixel height of the smallest image, then cropped 500×500.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3514746
http://www.dpreview.com/files/t/21a392110ccb4fe7a3606f004437eaa5
D800 and OMD are right next to each other. D800 loses!
A E5
B 5DII
C D600
D A99
E D700
F D800 <
G D4
H 5DIII
I OMD <
J D3s
loser!
Seriously, you are using a DPreview thread polluted by fanboys as a reference source , simply download a RAW file from Focus numerique {they have the most consistent exposures across brands, unlike DPreview }
E-M5 800 ISO RAW available below
http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1381/compact-olympus-om-d-e-m5-bruit-electronique-12.html
Nikon D800 3200 ISO RAW available below
http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-1390/reflex-nikon-d800-bruit-electronique-12.html
Now , compare the two files the D800 has either at least 2 stops resolution advantage or with minimal NR has 2 stops ISO advantage assuming same size output and at least as much detail level
This first image shows the very clear resolution advantage the D800 holds even when at two stops different.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimstirling1964/9432925162/sizes/o/in/photostream/
This image shows that even with NR the D800 retains more detail and now has 2 stops less noise , the E-M5 is already at a resolution disadvantage adding NR to it would only widen the resolution gap
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7438/9430150263_9017cc8951_o.jpg
So you have a simple choice much better 2 stop resolution advantage on the D800 or much better 2 stop high ISO advantage if you are prepared to sacrifice some of the extra detail to NR . I was in the who needs so many MP camp until I got the D800, I really hope that the next generation of mFT comes with a 24mp SENSOR. Please download the respective RAW files and process them before jumping to any conclusions. There is no perfect format for very purpose and each have their own advantages. I have found that mFT combines with FF to make for me one beautiful system
The reason for a dIouble post is that as is all too common here the first post failed to show up so I retyped and reposted.Meantime the original post showed up .Meantime you showed up using an anonymous ID to launch your attack so why don’t you grow a pair and use your real name or at least your most common ID. Though considering one can post here using any name including the name of other users it is pretty much irrelevant
If you use both systems, they, for you, clearly don’t compete via price against each other. What might compete is m43 with NEX/Fuji/Samsung or NEX/Fuji/Samsung with APS-C DSLRs or APS-C DSLRs with FF DSLRs.
Most people will decide on what performance they want (eg, shallow DOF, low light performance, base ISO SNR, MP) and how much weight and bulk they are willing to carry around, and then pick the system that gets closest within their price envelope.
But maybe I am naive and most people buy stuff without really thinking through of what they need or want in terms of features and performance.
not credible
Stuff this. I’m going to take some pictures.
You should do that before to come here! 🙂
And all the people who said the GH3 was too expensive for an M43 will now be making excuses why the Oly isn’t too expensive. 🙂
My wish list for a high end OM-D:
-Better buttons, mainly the directional pad.
-Better placements for the On/Off switch
-Higher bitrate video compression
-selectable 24p, 25p, 29.97p, 30p, 50p, 60p frame rates
-Mic input with manual audio controls
-Headphone jack (Nikon high end models also has them, so get over it)
-Improved C-AF
-Silent mode
-Top shutter speed 1/8000 sec
A kind of a showdown in the little 43 world this is.
Pana made a splendid move with the GX7.
Will Olympus have one more ace upon their sleeve?
-Higher bitrate video compression, raw or prores
-selectable 24p, 25p, 29.97p, 30p, 50p, 60p
-Mic input with manual audio controls
-Headphone jack (Nikon high end models also has them, so get over it)
-Improved C-AF
-Silent mode
-Top shutter speed 1/8000 sec or more
@JimStir
“The reason for a dIouble post is that as is all too common here the first post failed to show up so I retyped and reposted.”
it didn’t fail to show up it was awaiting moderation
“Meantime the original post showed up .”
which had Anonymous with a capital A, because that is what you had been using in the Name field. If you were not using other nicks, you wouldn’t be subject to moderation and the anonymous nick would have a small a.