A tester had the chance to test a Panasonic GH3 camera which he says was a final prototype with unfinished firmware. There are only few cameras at the moment going across the world in hands of photographers and journalists. First he said the specs I posted in these days are correct. The GH3 is weather sealed, has a new 16 Mpx sensor, ALL-I 72Mbit/s video recording, 100-12.800 ISO, external vertical battery grip and full Application remote control. While he can’t unveil the spec he said that the camera was a real surprise fro him:
1) Ergonomy: The GH3 is bigger and heavier, it is built like a tank! Panasonic clearly wants to give you a “DSLR feeling” going away from the “smaller is better” philosophy. It feels much more PRO than the [shoplink 29074]Olympus E-M5[/shoplink]. De facto it looks more similar to a PRO DSLR like a Nikon D7000 or Canon 7D more than to any other Panasonic/Olympus mirrorless camera we have seen before.
2) Specs: While he can’t unveil the specs he said that Panasonic improved any aspects of the camera. They really studied the feedback they got from Photographers and Filmmakers using the GH2. So almost everything you wished to have on a GH3 will become truth. The sensor gets on market with the “Wide Dynamic Range” definition while the Autofocus is said to be the fastest of the whole interchangeable camera world. Video specs and features are the best he ever saw on these kind of cameras. While there was no chance to analyze the stills quality he got the chance to see some videos made with the GH3. Definitely a leap forward!
3) Connectivity and accessories: The GH3 is all about getting connected. There are many physical and wireless connection possibilities. Filmmmakers are going to have all the connections they need for a professional production.
Thanks source for the precise report that I as usual rewrote (by adding my usual baby-English language) to hide your language style. We are all looking forward to see the GH3!!!
P.S.: All sources confirmed that the Gh3 is the “only” new m43 camera from Panasonic at Photokina. But as I told you before I expect a new GX2 to be announced a few months after Photokina.
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You know what would be funny? If the GH3 had a better sensor than the E-M5 😀
This sounds like an interesting cam. Looks like m4/3 is starting to get more and more mature. The pro OMD should also be awesome.
it’d be even funnier if the GH3 supports FT-lenses better than the E-M5 😉
Now come on dotdot, that is really hitting below the belt! 🙂
The GH3 is probably going to look like a Panasnic L10 (but with much better build quality) or an Olympus E-5
@admin
Panasonic live stream from IFA, GH2 etc mentioned……
http://ifa.panasonic.eu/en_GB/
GH3 + 35-100mm F2.8 means I will not have to buy any more m4/3s equipment for at least another 2 years.
“GH3 + 35-100mm F2.8 means I will not have to buy any more m4/3s equipment for at least another 2 years.”
If that’s 2 years after the purchase of the 35-100 then you’ll be set for four years minimum.
Panasonic: great lenses with a supply chain that is “something else”. 😉
I dont know where you come from but here in the UK i have always found Panasonic supply pretty good I got the GH2 within 10 days of launch
Here in The NEtherlands it is not much of problem either. Besides: we can now buy things all over the world via ebay. If you are comfortable with that there should be no problems at all.
To certain degree GX1 sensor is better then EM-5. Colors surely are. DR is around same, try RAWs from both and some decent developer, you will see what I mean. I think EM-5 sensor quality is bit over-hyped. Its good for m4/3s, but then GX1 was and still is too, considering processing RAWs I would say its actually better.
So GH3 and G5 should be very good for m4/3s.
That is absolute nonsense. You don`t even own an E-M5. No, the sensor nor IQ nor DR are better than or even equal to the E-M5.
But if it is big and heavy and costs $2000, why would anybody buy it over Nikon D600, or even Sony A77?
I don’t think it will be over $2000 unless you include the price of the 12-35mm F2.8 in there. That is a $1200 lens so I wouldn’t mind paying $1000 for a GH3 body.
I think the camera will probably cost $1299 when it is released. That is expensive but it also a camera that is a very capable professional video camera and a very good still camera as well.
I’d imagine $1200 body only. Another hundred for the 14-42. Then $2000 for the 12-35mm bundle. And I believe there might be a revisited 14-140mm sometime in the future.
Well, 12-35 is $1300, so that kit will probably be well over $2000 if body alone is $1200 or $1300. A77+16-50/2.8 is $1800, and it is APS-C, 12fps etc.
Sometimes kits are cheeper then body only 😉
if its above 2000 with 12-35 there are many other alternatives. the ones you mentioned come to mind; other weather sealed options include k-5 which is not new and could probably be bought used for sub-1500 at this point with a new 16-50
There all no other alternatives to a GH2/GH3 on the video side. It is in a class all by itself.
The lenses are still much smaller and lighter …and you can share the lenses with a cheap small PEN or GF2 for casual times
or with an E-M5 if you want to do some serious stills work.
because it is a completely different thing, many mft lenses are very good and it is probably going to be a better video camera than the d600 (not if narrow dof is your only concern of course) maybe you want both, a small and lightweight camera (gx2 or em5) plus a pro cam for when size doesn’t matter or video stuff. so I think it makes perfect sense in combination with the em-5.
That’s it. m4/3 must stay small but continue to improve on build quality. 4/3 failed because the size and weight just didn’t correlate with smaller sensor size. Big camera/smallish sensor makes no sense.
@Mike
I agree 100% about FT ,though the system delevered some truly amaxing lenses . I think Olympus made the fundemental mistake of trying to chase the Pro market dominated by Canon and Nikon. Resulting in relative to sensor monster sized F2 lenses in an attempt to close the sensor gap.
I completely agree Mike.
Yes people surely will because of the video capabilities. Nikon and A77 can’t touch it. For stills it won’t be interesting if it is much bigger. But if it is 1200 dollar for the body only, it weighs only a bit more and has clearly improved stills, is weathersealed etcetc it is not much more expensive than the Oly EM-5 I think while probably/possibly offering a better allround package. If that price was no problem for the Em-5 I can’t see it being a problem for the GH3. Add in multiaspects sensor and swiveling screen…
To me it is all about the stills on onehand and on the other: I am very pleased with the RAW quality of the GH2 already. I think I will pass one and go for either the D600 Nikon or simply wait for the GH5 or EM6.
The GH2’s sensor is pretty close, except for dynamic range, so hopefully (and one would assume) that the GH3 will surpass it by quite a bit.
Yes, it would be extremely funny if a camera that goes to market one year later has a better sensor.
Excellent news about the body construction.
I agree… I’m sold on “bigger is better,” and it makes me feel especially good about eating that entire large pizza last night.
So if we now get ISO 100, do we also get 1/8000 shutter or is this just middle-of-the-road appeasement for our bright lenses?
why bigger? looks more profi?
I’m curious about the result, but again the fastest AF in the world? video sucks AF … MF!! Nokton 0.95 … + many uniq old MF lenses (are cheap…)
prob most pro shooters prefer more real estate on a body,so panasonic did the logical thing with their pro grade gh3…i am very curious how it turns out to be in size.
I’ve always though the GH2 is too small for the amount of tactile controls it has. I find myself changing settings on it all the time without realizing. And I don’t have small hands. Its the only camera I’ve had with this problem. Other small cameras I have used: X100? No problem. GF1? No problem. Even my Canon S95 behaves better in that respect.
So, for me, a slightly bigger body is a welcome thing – if they come up with a body the size of a smallish entry level APS-C DSLR (a la Rebel), but packing the punch of, say, a Canon 7D or Nikon D7000, or even possibly better, then I’m in, and I have to believe so will other shooters who care about ergonomics and handling.
There’s no need to have a flagship “pro” camera so tiny that it can’t be handled properly or confidently. Small size has become sort of a fetish, and I’m happy to hear they are looking for the right balance. For instance, Pentax has small, well designed Pro-Level DSLRs, with weather sealing and great IQ. Why can’t we have something similar in the M43 land?
If you want ultimate pocketability, I guess you could go with a Sony RX100, Panny GX1, or a Pen – the bases are already covered in that respect.
Weathersealing adds a little here and there, and all the new connectivity stuff must sit somewhere too.
Because Panasonic have the G, GX and GF cams if you want smaller. It needs to be bigger to provide more features.
I don’t think bigger is better for micro four thirds. Bigger is better if it is a TV. The whole point of micro four thirds is that it is smaller and more portable. I love my GH2 and I don’t want the GH3 to be any bigger. The whole point of my selling all my canon and pentax equipment was so I can have a whole portable system that does not cause back issues. I am all for weather sealing, but bigger would be a very stupid decision on panasonic’s part. I don’t care about the GF3 and the GX1 because they don’t offer what I want. My wife has a GF3 with the x lens. If GH3 starts approaching the canon 7D and pentax K5 sizes, it completely defeats the purpose.
I’m crossing fingers for the success of this camera!
And I don’t say the word IB… No!
Yes, it sounds promising! I’m excited! I like cameras which ar build like a tank!
haha! 😀
If this rumor is correct then the GH3 will be a very welcome addition to the lineup of m4/3 cameras.
I’m all for very compact ‘just big enough’ cameras like the E-M5 or G5 for many uses, but thats definitely not the answer for everyone and every kind of application.
I’m curious about this ‘fastest AF’, especially if this claim only covers S-AF (as usual) and how the C-AF performance of this camera will fare.
Maybe better sensor than the E-M5!!! because Pana use new sensor on
GH3 but wait for real spec and object.
(GH series had 1.8 crop sensor size above m43 [17.3 x 13.2 mm]
GH @ 18.89×14.48 mm
I have read about the larger sensor in the GH2 a lot but I have not come across an official source that confirms it is actually larger. A higher MP count normal sized sensor cropped to the various sizes would do a similar job.
It definitely exists! I you use a GH in 4:3 mode with a prime lens and switch to 16:9 you see a significantly wider angle horizontally at the expense of height. Non GH cameras just chop the top and bottom of the picture. It’s actually very helpful in practice. Would be great if the GH3 offered true 1:1 and 2.2:1 also….
I do have a GH2 and an 18mp standard sized sensor with the various crop sizes contained within it would do much the same job. As with you i have read about the over size sensor and worked under this assumption however data showing the actual sensor size is hard to come by { obviously I mean from a worthwhile source}
“but no chance to analyze the still image quality”… :-<
I want "still" camera info.
this info sounds that GH3 is "better" cam, but I don't need cam. want still camera. gooooood still camera of m4/3.
and sigh, this is the only new camera in the Photokina from Panasonic…
I very wonder Pana realy continues GF1/GX1 style square small camera (and internal EVF like NEX)…
'13 Feb CP+ in Japan is the next turn, and that will be the turn of "GX".
BTW, what's happened on 35-100 X lens?
is there "new" lens announcement at Photokina from Panasonic?
BTW, BTW,
how about TAMRON?
more lens from Sigma?
Tokina will make m4/3 glass lens? or Tokina enters into NEX?
and and and
TAMRON, SIGMA will announce EOS-M?
EOS-M dimension is very similar with NEX. then making EOS-M or NEX compatible lens should be easy like the current APS-C DSLR compatible lenses for the different mounts. then how about m4/3 position for those TAM/SIG?
We’re seeing plenty of Love on the wide to medium range these days from Panny and Oly but where is the fast telephoto stuff? Tamron? Sigma? opportunity is knocking but no one seems to hear………..
If past behavior is any indication, Sigma and the like will also release (some of) those lenses for m4/3. As a matter of fact, the current m4/3 sigma offerings very much look like they were designed for aps-c mirrorless cameras. The focal lengths will look somewhat ‘odd’, and they’ll be hard pressed to create an ultra wide-angle lens this way, but beyond those things this seems to be a feasible approach.
Good news all around. Sounds like the GH3 will be a winner. We got the pro lenses, the pro body, the high bit rate, the focus peaking… All that’s left is the PDAF-CDAF hybrid sensor and, dare I say, IBIS!… Oh well, I guess they need to save something for the next iteration.
Bigger and Heavier? I might as well keep my dslr. I would accept a little lost of IQ for a smaller and lighter m4/3, but now its getting to the point that its stupid to downgrade from my dslr to these m4/3.
Even if it is the size of a EOS 650D (which I doubt), it will pack more features than this camera – and the lenses will be small still.
I fine myself kind if agreeing on size, this is why I got into m43. still, this is the panny flagship and it’s nice to have choices. and, as mentioned, lens size still small. sounds like panny is rising to the om-d challenge.
Depends on how you look at these cameras. I’ve never viewed M4/3 as being beneficial because it’s smaller. In fact I’d prefer an APS-C sensor. For me the only reason I jumped into the GH series was because of its superior video quality/hackability for the price and the ability to adapt pretty much any lens to it. I’d much rather have a large pro weather sealed body that fits better in the hands, easiler/larger control layout and looks more serious to clients.
I think most “video first” guys would agree. Not everyone wants m4/3 because it’s small. I think Panny is starting to realize this.
any info about type of the codec? avcintra avcultra ?
oh panny , I can´t wait
Fastest AF in the world? Well, they said the exact same thing about the GX1 – the real significance is continous AF tracking.
Also not sure I’m loving the supposed size comparison with the D7000. But still good to hear enthusiastic reports about the camera.
But for me to consider the camera it has to have bettet DR and High ISO than the OMD.
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D7000 seems to big. I bet dimensions like EOS 650, maximum.
Agreed
I hope it’s the size of a D7000. That would be great.
exactly it´s the typical bullshit thay write to get some attention….
We should be happy if this rumor is true, thanks to Olympus with the released of OM-D camera had pushed and change the way of panasonic To get in the right direction to make a real camera not a toy, or what they thing was right before/ smaller is always looks better.
Cheers to m43 community
Panasonic probably had begun to work on the GH3 before they knew what the EM-5 would look like. Actually, I should thank Pana for making the GH3, which should make the EM-5 drop in price. 🙂 LEt’s hope Pana can deliver soon.
Panasonic will have been developing this long before the O-MD came out
Can it track sparrow in flight ?.
Yes, yellow Sparrow and red Robin will not escape!!
Fastest AF in what? single AF? C-AF tracking? I don’t need any more fast AF if it’s only mili second more faster than previous camera. How about reliable C-AF Tracking? Can you do that Pany? Bigger = better? so what is the micro on 4/3 means? the sensor or the design ? I’m beginning to worry about the actual performance of this camera as more FT-5 revealed…..
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Everybody claims “fastest AF ever” on their new camera. I hope the GH3 doesn’t just pump the S-AF speed slightly, but has a dramatic improvement in C-AF. THAT is where CDAF cameras currently lag WAY behind DSLRs, and it’s the only AF improvement I care about at this point. S-AF is fast enough on M43, and has been for a while now.
Here’s to hoping!
Panasonic tried hard, created better video but still people buy the Canon because they are larger and look more professional. So I dont blame Panasonic at all for making it look more professional. Unfortunately even people who should be nore objective still are victims of appearance.
I hope the wide dynamic range is true because for me it is much more important than the level of detail in the image. I dont care to see the smallest pimple when the highlights are blown.
When it comes to commercial work, there is often the problem of how the client perceives things, and even when the video or photographer knows better, if larger is perceived as more professional by their (less knowledgeable) clients then it makes sense to go for larger.
I don’t do much video myself, but I do part-time commercial work (event and news photography), and at events, a big camera can be a real help, not because it takes better pictures, but because the general public takes it more serious, and gets out of my way. Additionally, security people at events will generally let me go places where the general public isn’t allowed when I’m toting a big camera.
That said, playing around a bit with this kind of perception suggests to me that the lens and lens hood are actually more important then the body size for the ‘professional look’.
Oh boy, the big gun syndrome – hope you are not short Bart.
Seriously, the GH2 with Nokton lenses has been a fantastic video camera for paying shoots. While not rugged enough to bash security with or intimidate with its “bigness” it has done a good job, and indeed amazing at its price point. The negatives for me are the ease with which you can inadvertently change settings while moving the rig around, and the lack of a separate mic jack. So, if the GH3 has more external physical controls and interface connections, and a higher native bit rate, it will be a natural progression for those who have been using the GH2 for video. All the other rumored specs are bonus (battery grip, weather-proofed etc).
Stills?? For me, the GH2 is barely adequate, but given my large investment in native m43 glass, I persevere and hope that the sensor improvements come sooner rather than later – so really hope that the GH3’s sensor is significantly better.
The G5 and GH3 are poised to cement Panasonic’s lead in the MILC market, as coming on the heels of the success of Olympus’s OMD-EM5, and with the substantial stable of quality native m43 lenses now available, m43 is fundamentally ahead of the APS-C MILC offerings. An open question is where are they going with the GF and GX lines, and will these make them money? Still hoping for a GL1 or a GX2 with integrated EVF and articulated screen as a travel companion.
Hehe, yes, the ‘big gun syndrone’ indeed 🙂
Yes, I’m pretty tall, and strong enough to have no problem handholding something like an E-3 with 35-100 for a couple hours.
But as long as I don’t actually need the ‘big gun’ effect, I rather use my E-M5 or G2 with one of the nice m4/3 primes, and my ‘big gun’ stays at home most of the time.
also enough is enough with the fast AF… what are you trying to photograph? bullets? there are many flaws in digital cameras to solve before fastest af becomes critical
colors, dynamic range, skin tones, tonality are much more important
But what is ‘fast enough’ 🙂
S-AF on for example the E-M5 is fast enough to reduce the need for C-AF (not eliminate it). I’d think that if it can be made even faster, you’d get to a point where its essentially instantaneous, which means cameras can lock focus just before shutter release without any perceivable shutter lag. That would largely eliminate the need for C-AF for still photography. Video of course is a totally different story.
Don’t you mean that it would eliminate the need for phase detection AF?
S-AF: single AF, aquires focus once
C-AF: continuous AF, keeps refocusing on the subject
If the first is instantaneous, then you have less need for the 2nd for still photography.
This is totally independent of if this is achieved by contrast or phase detection.
CD C-AF needs an algorythem to determin within 3 very fast “pumps” the direction and speed of the object of intrest then calculate a probable speed to move the AF premptively.
It will focus at this determined speed, while continusously monitoring any change of sharpness – if sharpness goes below a set level, then the AF will do 1 pump slightly faster (further ahead) than the determined speed and then monitor if the softness gets bigger or smaller – if bigger the camera knows the object was moving slower than its predicted speed and can revers the AF direction to slightly below the predertimind speed. – if smaller then the AF knows the jump ahead was in the right direction and can adjust its speed prediction accordingly.
This will result in very good, if not ideal AF tracking with CDAF… certainly better than the current systems!
Indeed, contrast detect af can do better then current implementations for tracking. Not only because of what you are saying, but also because it can use size of objects it is tracking as a hint for direction of movement. Currently it relies on ‘the past’ for predicting the direction in which something moves, but that won’t do when for example trying to track players in a football match since they change direction way too often.
But that all doesn’t change that a fast enough single af implementation removes much (but not all) of the need for continuous af for still photography.
An E-M5 usually manages quite well on moving subjects with single af, but, due to the time it takes to lock focus, this makes timing shots difficult. If that time can be reduced to near zero, then this kind of issue will be gone.
I hope its not too much bigger and heavier!
Bigger? Why? To come across as being more professional if I get the text right. And here we go again: the worlds fastest AF of any mirrorless cam. I don’t care one bit if it does not track AF well. It is fast enough for CDAF already in the Gh2. I never miss a shot because of slow AF, I miss shots because it loses rrack, hunts back and forth whith BIF. We need good AF, not necessarily the best, allround. For any type of shooting. I do not think this Pannywill do that.
‘Bigger’ is smart on Panasonic’s part. For their top of the line beast packed with features and optional accessories it’s going to be more robust and easier to handle.
It’ll shoot as well or better than the (still larger) SLR’s, but when you want to go small, no problem that lens you love on the GH3 works on the GF5 too. Or E-PM1.
Don’t try to pack every type of user into a tiny package. Speaking as a Panny to Oly convert, smart move Panny.
I really miss the Panny design and features, but the Oly colors won me over.
It is good news also for Oly.
Stronger position of micro43 is stronger position of Oly.
Many users of GH3 will buy Oly lenses.
‘Bigger’ is smart on Panasonic’s part. For their top of the line beast packed with features and optional accessories it’s going to be more robust and easier to handle.
It’ll shoot as well or better than the (still larger) SLR’s, but when you want to go small, no problem that lens you love on the GH3 works on the GF5 too. Or E-PM1.
Don’t try to pack every type of user into a tiny package. Speaking as a Panny to Oly convert, smart move Panny.
I really miss the Panny design and features, but the Oly colors won me over.
Is far less than expected, now I’m really curious
Oh hell yes… Bigger = BETTER… I’m loving it! I love my GH2’s but they are a little small in the hand even with the OWNUSER batterygrips.
Really have liked the G1,G2,GH1,GH2 form factor. Probably the bigger, heavier GH3(GH5?)is not for us ordinary folk. We will likely have the shrunken-LeicaSD-shaped G5 and a new GX2, probably without internal EV. Nothing horrible with that, but not what I prefer for a two body system. Darn. Will hang on to my G1 for bigger lenses, and maybe find a GH2 although they are becoming scarce in Canada. GX1s are becoming a wee bit cheaper if I feel compelled to replace my GF1. Will wait and see both new cameras.
This is good….. if even half of that is true were on to a winner!
What I heard is,this GH3 sensor is not made by Panasonic.
It is made by Sony.
No way would Panasonic use a sensor from its most bitter rival , they compete in too many different markets it would be a major loass of face.
will it use the same gh2 battery bro?
But…. as nice as this seems, I am not sure I would fork over the dough without IBIS….
That’s lucky then, you saved yourself some dough. By the way, PANASONIC DO NOT DO IBIS. Perhaps you have noticed now.
Hahaaa… a mini Alexa!!
This all sounds too pro-ish for me… 😉 And the increase in size is kind of a let-down for travel photographers who need it compact. Guess I’m just not the target audience for this one.
at least m43 will have a choice now between big and compact. 🙂
Mirrorless buyers will vote with their money against this bigger is better GH3. I sold my 5D2 because bigger is NOT better and I’m not alone. Panasonic is being run by idiots!
Of course m43’s great appeal is the “smallness” of the gear. The GF5 and GX1 are certainly small, and so is the G5 given its functionality. The AF100 bombed, but the GH2 was a runaway success. So where are Panasonic going with the bigger bulkier GH3? Seems logical to go upmarket with the professional pure video cameras and fill the indie film void with an even better and more robust hybrid. That is just what Panasonic is doing with the GH3 – and it is the right move for them.
gh3 (body without grip) will by probably little bit bigger than gh2 body and you are crying like a little kid even when you didn´t see the body and didn´t had in in your hands..
I have the gh1 and it´s small for good ergonomics, I´ve shoot allready with 7D and 5Dm2 and they feel better in hands but with grips they are heavy.. so a thin gh3 just with bigger heigh is absolutely welcome for me
as for your last words.. we will see..
The GH3 will never be as big as the 5DII, come on, you cannot seriously think that. It is pretty obvious that Pana is boosting the G series to cater for those who want a smaller camera.
The Af100 Bombed? did it? i was under the impression it sold well. there very popular with rental houses. im not sure how anyone other than panasonic can say how well something is selling.
neither is better, but to have that choice within m43, thats what i meant.
Tmrgrs, if you think Olympus and Panasonic can rise from shadow of Canon and Nikon by making fixed lens P&S unergonomics cameras with interchangeable optics then calling you idiot would be insulting idiots!
To this day m4/3 has had 20 or something like that bodies and every single one them some or lot smaller and with similar amount worser ergonomics than entry-level DSLRs.
No doubt that number of smaller bodies will again increase by few before next summer
so why does it endanger your world if both Olympus and Panasonic make one body which can for the first time actually challenge DSLRs in ergonomics?
You got some god complex or what and every one has to do what you say?
Must be consequence of Canonism.
Yes.. ok
Agreed. Why bother with a small format if it keeps getting bigger. Seems to converge back to a large camera so now I have no desire to lug this around. Next it wil be bigger and bigger like all things in America. Yes it is smaller then a DSLR but those are getting bigger as well, just like SUVs. I hope someone improves the video on the OMD and makes a m4/3 cam that is small like the GX and has decent video. I want a camera that is small not loaded with IBIS and other features that are not needed, viewfinder yes. I guess I will have to wait for a new format that will have to replace the growing m4/3, like “compact” SUVs and “Mini” Big Gulps. 🙂
So the GH3 will be bigger, heavier, and weather sealed? This will necessitate a smaller, lighter, non-weather sealed G4 with GH3 still/video specs. My fear is that the GH3 will be over-priced like the 5D mkIII.
The question is HOW MUCH bigger? The GH2 is about as big a camera as I want to carry around; if you lose the smaller form factor, then why not go into DSLR territory (yeah, I know, lens size, but still). On the other hand, if it is still smaller than the DSLRs but has terrific ergonomics, then I can see advantages to it. Time will tell…..
Not everyone buys into m4/3 because it’s small. Some of us bought into it because of the superior video for the price.
Personally I want a larger pro camera I can move up to from my GH1. Gives me incentive to buy into more lenses. Hopefully bigger faster lenses.
I don’t want m4/3 to remain just a hobbyist camera system.
I want lasers!
Still no news about multi-aspect sensor? If not, is it the same sensor as in the G5?
Heard that it is a Sony Sensor.
I think multi-aspect is a given. The uproar if they got rid of that would be deafening.
typical fanboy bullshit….. ther is no way the GH3 can compete with a D4 or 1D X when it comes to continous AF.
No way, are you sure? i thought it should be much better 😛
who said it did?
You mean D4 does superior C-AF in video shooting? Really?
Even if it will be better then OM-D, it is good news for all micro43, also for Olympus. If it will be bigger then GH2, it is not direct competition for OM-D, which is smaller then GH2. GH3 will make stronger micro43 in total -> real competition for Panasonic is not Olympus, but Sony NEX, Fuji X-series, Canon EOS M, Samsung NX.
Some % of future users GH3 will buy lenses from Oly.
All of users GH3 will have micro43 lenses and in future will buy next generation of micro43 body, maybe next generation of OM-D, or PEN.
The post states that the GH3 is bigger and heavier. It does not say by how much, nor does it say the GH3 is as heavy as a pro DSLR, only that it looks like one. So there’s no indication of how much bigger and heavier the GH3 is than its predecessor.
A previous FT3 rumor from August 22 suggest that the GH3 feels “a bit” heavier. If that’s true, then we’re not looking at a radical gain in heft and size.
Personally, I’m interested in a two camera system: a larger one for dedicated photo outings, paid assignments and for use with large lenses and a small body for short trips and incidental use. I might pick up a cheaper Olympus body for the latter – if the new models feature the new 16MP Sony sensor.
I’m looking into the same thing. Building up small m4/3 travel kit(s), a small pro-ish setup, and a large (full frame 35mm or medium format) setup for studio/portraits/landscapes that I can take a bit more time with.
Admin, do you know if the battery has a bigger capacity vs gh2?
What’s the point of making it bigger? How can this compete with DSLRs PDAF? Did Panasonic just realized after all this time that they made a mistake abandoning Four Thirds?
They have to build fast (as in bigger aperture) lenses all over again for this ‘pro’ body, and they expect people to buy them.
Again?
Not every Micro Four Thirds camera needs to compete with DSLRs in terms of body size. There are plenty of small bodies. I think Panasonic is creating a camera that will compete with DSLRs in terms of features and by the sounds of it, AF speed as well. Also, the GH3’s C-AF may end up being a lot smarter than conventional PDAF systems.
+1. It’s still a camera without a mirror box from an wonderful system with fantastic lenses. No way to compare it to a bulky old-designed DSLR. The OM-D is bigger and heavier than any previous Oly’s m4/3 and an incredible success. If someone want smaller bodies there is the GX line, not mentioning the G5, Pens, etc, etc….
For me Panny’s decision is perfect. It will be aimed for pro video shooters (like me) and also pro photographers that don’t want to frighten their clientes with a toy camera!!!
It may sound weird, but I handled the OM-D EM-5 the other day, and it was too small. It would be great as a travel camera, but if I’m on a shoot all day, I like a camera about the size of the Nikon D7000, maybe just a bit smaller.
If this new camera is in that range (but a bit smaller than the Nikon), it is going to make me consider selling out of Nikon completely.
thats why the hld-6 exist, for long sessions where you keep the camera in your hands for several hours, the grip makes sure the gear wont slip out of your hand, without the need to use much energy keeping your fingers around it.The portrait module will give yo extra juice and an even beefier grip(in comparison with the more compact landscape grip)
Even with the grip attached, I am guessing it needs to be wider and thicker than it is. The camera is just too small for me (6′ with longish fingers).
I think this is an aspect where one needs to consider why they would choose m43. The concept main goal is being compact (PEN series) and got expanded with flexibility (OM series). How far can a m43 design go if it wants to add more real estate for functions or extended grip facilities? There is a point where you must realize that further enlarging a body or accessoire would raise the question if the original idea of compactness becomes rudimentary.
But I can imagine that an OM-D body, which feels compact in my asian hands, and semi-compact when adding the hld-6,might feel like a woman’s or children tool in the hands of a western male.
Well, I like it’s compactness for a travel camera, but don’t find it to have enough advantage over, say, an E-PM1 or E-P3 for my purposes. When spending a day shooting a wedding or terrain park competitions, I want a bit more comfort and larger body. Right now that means splitting the system (Nikon for pro work and Oly for pleasure/walk around). If I can get it all onto one system, that means only one set of lenses. Much nicer than buying all the different lenses and in both systems. That said, I am aiming for m43 for pleasure and lightweight pro, then FF Nikon (or even Canon) for the studio work.
I agree, I find the OM-D too small as well, And while the grip certainly helps, it also adds $300 to the price of the camera, which is more than a little excessive.
I find the price justified for a modulair grip system with all it functions.
What I dont understand is that people dont mind to pay 150 usd for the JLM grip. If goin for spartan style 3rd party then i prefer the Yuenu grip which is around 100 bucks.
I use my GH2 strictly for my video gigs. A slightly larger package won’t make much of a difference—as long as I’m getting something in return; like an audio volume control.
As far as impressing the clients with bigger, I want nothing to do with such shenanigans. All my clients look at the delivered results, not the equipment. So I hope that Panasonic is making the GH3 bigger for the right reasons.
How about the sensor that I hope a lot better than the previous version and the noise (better dynamic range don’t mean lower noise)? Does the sensor will be competitive with EM-5, and does the in-camera processing for JPEG be better or at the same level than the Olympus? Any in camera HDR, Panoramic (or also the Night/Star exposure feature from EM-5)? Any Gallery or in camera processing? How about continous focus? Better battery capacity? Does the viewfinder is a real improvement? Does the back screen is AMOLED?
competition within the same format begins to bear fruit
this is an interesting aspect of micro four thirds,
bodies from competing manufacturers
I’d like to see more camera makers join the m4/3 club!
But I’m not holding my breath.
I think that unlikely, the best proponents appear to have gone their own road and while there are good reasons for them to do that, competing with mFT directly might have brought benefits to consumers all around the table.
However, the situation we have right now is Panasonic who were always more in control of their own fate, vs sensors available from Sony installed in Olympus cameras.
If they’re both serious, its going to get interesting
It seems that the APS-C is the allure, but I believe that this format could be losing it’s luster. Eventually, APS-C could get caught between and rock and a hard place (m4/3 on one end and full-frame on the other).
certainly APSC is by nature the least native lens equipped, and in mirrorless the market has become mFT centric, the axis of mirrorless formats
I came from P&S to mFT best move ever. So I am not very knowledgeable about interchangeable lenses but looking at B&H there looks to be hundreds of lenses for canon and Nikon. Do only certain say Nikon lenses fit the APS cameras? Sorry if the question is stupid, it wont be my last lol
PeteK
+1
Not at all. APS-C is used by Canon EF, EF-M, Sony, Pentax, Nikon and Fuji. There is no way it’s will go away.
I’m sure in 1950. many thought that Kodak film would never go away…
Admin, have you heard anything about 3k or 4k video resolutions? Or 1080p60? Both would be great to have.
1080p60 was mentioned in a previous rumor. 3k or 4k is definitely not likely.
I slightly bigger, more solid GH3, might make it more comfortable to adapt 4/3 lenses… don’t you think?
It is good for an m43 user to have different levels of camera housings depending on intended use and wallet. Still I am not sure building too big and heavy (+expensive) housings is a certain success. Take a high spec 750g housing and you have competition from not only APS-C sensor and soon FF housings. Larger sensor is always better than smaller sensor ALL ELSE EQUAL….
Hope the GH3 is around 500g to maintain the size/weight advantage over larger sensor cameras. Unfortunately I don’t do video so the GH3 is not for me.
Just to get it off my chest: no, GH3 will not have better than E-M5 sensor. Panny is simply not there – judging by the GF5 and G5 sensors. It’s sufficient IQ, but not up to the “very good” level of Sony sensor tech.
Otherwise, all around great news!
Larger body – crossing fingers – because fiddly operation of small crammed controls were by far my biggest gripe with the GH2.
P.S. And I hope those rumors about tilt-only LCD are false.
Hmm, tilt only display would be rather odd considering the importance of video for this camera, I don’t think its target audience will like this.
Why you think so,if GH3 sensor better than OM-D you gonna die??
Dummy, unless you work for Panasonic (which I doubt), your comments about the sensor are, well, pretty dumb. You have no knowledge at all about what the new sensor will offer. The OM-D is only about 1 stop better at high ISO than the GH2, and to believe that Panasonic can’t manage a 1 stop improvement in two years is just silly.
Bigger, heavier? Yes, it is weather sealed, so there will be a slight size and weight increase due to rubber coating and structure of the body. I don’t think Panasonic is intentionally making this bigger to make it seem more pro, just a side effect of adding features, so my guess, a few millimeters here or there and a few ounces.
sounds rather like an em-5 addition than a killer, very cool I like how the mft manufacturers work together. sometihing you could only wish for with nikon and canon for example.
Yes, Panasonic worked hard for Olympus giving us Oly guys the shitty end of the stick in the sensor dept. , guess that didn’t work out so well for them .There seems to be some real issues with certain Panasonic lenses on the E-M5 . The work together thing is BS they are companies in competition who happen to share a mount and sensor size.
“Built like a tank?” Looks more like the Canon 7D?
Well, I have news for you. If I wanted a Canon 7D, I would not have sold my 7D after using the Olympus e-m5 for a little while. The 7D is relatively big, relatively heavy, and not at all what I had in mind for the m43 standard.
While we may be very close to saying that there’s no significant disadvantage in quality currently because of the difference in size between the m43 sensor of the e-m5, and the APS-C of the 7D, there certainly is no reason to go forward and deliberately get a small sensor like that of the e-m5 or the GH3.
I mean, really.
If I want a camera that looks and feels like a 7D, I’ll wait for the 7d Mark II, get that one, since THAT APS sensor, being much more state of the art than the e-m5 or even the GH3, certainly will not be inferior and in all liklihood superior to the GH3.
And I say that as a huge advocate of the GH2 and em-5, and all the little m43 cameras sitting in my closet that came before.
> since THAT APS sensor, being much more state of the art than the e-m5
You know that Canon is behind Sony in sensor tech or did holy name of Canon blind you from that?
Here’s Canon’s latest sensor:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-650d-rebel-t4i/26
Where’s the superiority of Canon’s sensor to one in E-M5?
Well, Dan, there isn’t anything forcing you to buy the GH3, just skip it if its not of your liking. If the rumors are mostly correct, then it will indeed be a larger, heavier camera, and thats not for everyone, but, neither is the E-PM1 that is at the other extreme of the size scale.
What is the problem with having such choices within the m4/3 system? You almost make it sound like it would be rather terrible if Panasonic would extend the choice of bodies for m4/3.
As for myself, I’m using an E-M5 and mostly happy with it, and am not in the market for a GH3, but, that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be a welcome extension of the available range of bodies, which can draw more different users to m4/3, which in turn makes m4/3 more interesting for all kinds of parties for making lenses and other accessories. Hence, even if the GH3 isn’t for me, I’ll still benefit from it as user of an entirely different m4/3 camera.
+100… Well said!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, not everyone is buying into m4/3 because of the smaller size. Some of us, like me, have bought into the GH series because it’s the best bang for the video buck. It trumps Canon and Nikon video quality and at a lower price. So if the GH3 is a bigger camera with a bigger control layout, weather sealing and a beefier grip, that’s a great thing for people like me. If they include better audio on board as a result of the bigger size, that’s even better.
I think all new major mirrorless cameras lately claim to be the fastest in terms of AF. And they may very well be. But this is for non-moving images. Where mirrorless cameras, especially m4/3, need a huge leap now is AF during video with moving subjects. The GH2 is still quite poor here.
That really depends on the lens. The 20mm is slow. The 25mm f1.4 breathes. The 14-140mm is actually very fast and sure, too bad it’s a slow lens otherwise.
From what I’ve read, a lot of pro video shooters use manual focus lenses, so AF speed is moot for them.
Well, I gambled a bit and maybe it was a mistake. Sold my GH2 a month ago anticipating upgrade to GH3 (wanted to beat the GH2 price drops). Small size of the GH2 was always a plus for me – in fact I would’ve gone with GX1 had it not been limited on video features.
Now, I’m torn. I really wanted the GH3 video improvements and weather sealing. At this point, I’ll keep an eye on GX2 developments, hoping that it gains enough to fill the big gap between G5 and GH3.
See? To each their own.. I didn’t buy Canon DSLRs because of the restrictions in video, not because of their size. I actually like the size of them. I’m 6′ 210lbs with medium size hands and the GH2 is still small. I actually added the ownuser grip to make it bigger! So, having a bigger GH2 with more features is exactly what I wanted and not because it looks more “pro” I never had a client say “That little camera?” so that ain’t it.
I’m not sure if I agree with Panasonic’s alleged marketing scheme that bigger equals pro when the company touted small cameras as their forte. Now it’s an about-face and that’s conflicting, confusing, bad PR, and admits guilt, e.g., small is consumer. I can only hope the ergonomic portion of this anonymous rumor is not FT5, but FT2 at best. I think a better approach is “to address user concerns we (Panasonic) sacrificed smallness to incorporate requested features.”
Hence, being that the GH3 is speculated to be a different beast than the GH2, then I surmise the GH2 will remain part of my arsenal in conjunction with the GH3. With this report, if it’s mostly truth, then I’m also certain peripherals such as my DLSR cage and audio mixer apparatus probably won’t accommodate a larger and heavier body.
However, if the GH3 reaches similar size and weight to the Canon 5DM3 at a half crop, then there might be incentive to join the dark side. Nevertheless, I’ll wait for Köln to dispel these rumors once and for all before taking any action whatsoever.
I’m a little bit worried by the news that it feels “heavy.” A big part of the reason I bought into m43 was because I wanted “light.” I don’t need a pro-build camera. I do want high-end performance. If the camera gets too heavy, I wonder if people are going to say “I might as well just buy a DSLR.”
I totally agree, one of the most main advantage of M43 is the size and weight, if now high end M43 body from Pana are like DSLR, why don’t just buy an APSC DSLR… I use more and more my OMD and GX1 over my 7D, just because of the size and I don’t think M43 users want bigger and heavier cameras to feel more professional !
With ~20 and increasing number of smaller than decreased controls/ergonomics entry-level DSLR bodies in m4/3 what are you complaining?
Besides bulk of mirror chamber and all the legacy stuff in mid-level DSLR must be weighting something nearing 200grams.
Deduct that from weight of for example proper ergonomics Canon 60D and you’ll get 550 grams.
If that’s too much for you then I wonder who lifts food into your mouth!
> I wonder if people are going to say “I might as well just buy a DSLR.”
That can be said from current state of mirrorless systems!
None of mirrorless cameras can offer as good pocketability as fixed lens optics compacts and neither do they offer ergonomics of DSLRs so why to get such compromise camera instead of fixed lens compact (like Sony RX100) for carrying always and that better ergonomics DSLR for works needing controlling camera?
Canon and Nikon must be awfully worried from new chance mirrorless has given to Olympus and Panasonic with the number of you here insisting Olympus and Panasonic to not make anything which could utilize Canikon’s lack of mirrorless successors for analog mechanical era SLR!
nobody expects m43 to be as pocketable as p&s cameras, except the fools.
its already a godsend being able to put a m43 in my small slingbag with my tablet and lunchbox as i am sure no dslr would fit in it.
Something like an E-PM1 with that retractable zoom from Lumix is quite as pocketable as a slightly bigger p&s, so it is clearly not unreasonable at all to expect an m4/3 camera to be pretty much as pocketable as a P&S, but it would be unreasonable to expect every m4/3 body to be like that. With all respect, the only fools are those who think everyone has the same needs as they do.
Bigger GH3 doesn’t at all get in the way of a small E-PM1, or the other way around, and, if it is physically feasable to make a pocketable m4/3 camera (and it is simply a proven fact that this IS possible, see above) then there is absolutely nothing foolish about expecting such a thing, and neither is there anything foolish about expecting a bigger GH3 that caters to a different kind of use (and usually different kind of user)
I can fit my P&S in my jeans pocket, and i dont expect i could ever do that with a m43,unless i use my worktrousers with big pockets, but that is an extreme and not daily scenario. Your example does not convince me.
I can fit my P&S in my jeans pocket, and i dont expect i could ever do that with a m43,unless i use my worktrousers with big pockets, but that is an extreme and not daily scenario. Your example does not convince me.
Bring on the bigger and heavier cameras, please. It’s time for m4/3 to become more mature.
lol!
Thunderbolt?
Stupide ce débat autour du poids du GH3! 450 grammes? 600 grammes? 750 grammes? C’est pareil. Plus l’appareil sera lourd plus la prise en main sera facile et permettra de stabiliser naturellement la prise de vue.
Seule amélioration à espérer : l’image. Car je vous rappelle qu’une caméra sert à faire des images. Gros manques du GH2 : gamme dynamique / zones ombres pourries / couleurs moyennes, très moyennes.
10 bits? 4:2:2? Non, le GH3 sera comme le GH2.
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Well I disagree with your statement about the GH2, which seems to be based on JPG only (in which case I do agree). In RAW you can do everything with the colours. I shot with the G1 and GH2 side by side yesterday on a fieldtrip and was astouned as by how much the DR especially (may be the metering also) is better than that on the G1.With the G1 you could feel the need for a better cam, but I cannot say this about GH2. Of course there are better cams around, no doubt and much better ones when yoy venture into FF territory. But that is something different than feeling the need to change.
The Gh3 and its weight: this is a rumours site and we are arguiing knowing that these are rumours. So peoplke state “if” this and “if” that. If it is only a 20 gram difference of course no one is going to complain. If it is 200 gram…at that price (1500 dollar or so)…well, you are beginning to question why not buy a FF Nikon D600 or something similar?
This cam is only pro (or at least a complete replacement of DSLRs) if it has pro AF-C. I have not seen any rumours of it other than “faster AF”. SO I don’t think so. We need better allround AF, not just faster. The next generation will have to give us that as it otherwise will trail Nikon 1 or SOny NEX, which do have hybrid AF and the Nikon does a very good job.
Looks like there is a lot of demand! Anybody care to speculate whether the GH3 will actually be available in Europe before 2013?
What currently is a typical timelag for Pani from announcement to available in shops?
Is there any way of pre-ordering?
Well I disagree with your statement about the GH2, which seems to be based on JPG only (in which case I do agree). In RAW you can do everything with the colours. I shot with the G1 and GH2 side by side yesterday on a fieldtrip and was astouned as by how much the DR especially (may be the metering also) is better than that on the G1.With the G1 you could feel the need for a better cam, but I cannot say this about GH2. Of course there are better cams around, no doubt and much better ones when yoy venture into FF territory. But that is something different than feeling the need to change.
The Gh3 and its weight: this is a rumours site and we are arguiing knowing that these are rumours. So peoplke state “if” this and “if” that. If it is only a 20 gram difference of course no one is going to complain. If it is 200 gram…at that price (1500 dollar or so)…well, you are beginning to question why not buy a FF Nikon D600 or something similar?
This cam is only pro (or at least a complete replacement of DSLRs) if it has pro AF-C. I have not seen any rumours of it other than “faster AF”. SO I don’t think so. We need better allround AF, not just faster. The next generation will have to give us that as it otherwise will trail Nikon 1 or SOny NEX, which do have hybrid AF and the Nikon does a very good job.
What i wanna know is how much its gonna $COST$
Lest Panny not forget the ‘micro’ in the m43 concept. I hope it to be niether much heavier nor much bigger.
Improved dynamic range, improved autofocus (is this a hint to on chip phase detection), improved video rates, weather sealed, and improved connectivity are all most welcome
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“Micro” refers to the flange distance, not the size of the cameras.
so we have micro flange cameras…awesome
“Bigger” and “heavier” are wide-open to speculation. ‘as big as a 5dmkIII’, etc. is a red herring till we know differently.
Honestly, the ‘micro’ has come with some costs – for me the 2.5mm audio-in is atrocious. A 3.5mm audio-in and -out, stouter build, and the like will require more space and weight. I would gladly compromise on those issues since I would use the GH3 primarily as a video shooter and audio monitoring at least would make a huge difference to me.
Good news is that the G5, EM-5, GX-series can fill a lot of niches and also provide good video if you desire. Hell, if you want very good video in the smallest package, there is a camera called the GH2. I’ll be keeping mine even if I grab a GH3 in a few months.
But to assume that the GH2 will more than double its body weight and be in the same range as the 7d or 5d… Guess we’ll see.
This is probably one of the best rumour updates we’ve had about the GH3 so far. The big news is the ergonomics of course (no-one leaked a photo yet admin?).
Sounds like it’s not aimed at me, as I personally thought the GH2 was about as big as I want in a m4/3 camera, and was happy that the E-M5 is smaller in life than it looks in photos.
I’m glad it’s there though, sounds significantly different from all other m4/3 cameras and a nice addition to the line up. Especially for videoheads. Makes sense it being bigger and heavier than the Oly cameras considering Panasonic need bigger/heavier lenses due to the stabilisation on board.
Everything about this is good news for me as I’m not tempted at all (I really don’t want to pay out for a new camera!) and yet interested to see how it pans out.
The big question is are people going to buy it over a traditional dSLR though? (especially those who are looking for a new system). The Sony SLTs are good for video and Canon has a decent reputation too. As long as the GH3 video specs remain high, I think it’ll do OK.
Sheesh! There’s a heluva lotta weeping and handwringing going on over a camera that none have seen or handled.
Bigger? How much? D7000 size, like the E-5? I doubt it.
But I DO vote for better ergonomics!
Will a little bigger mean that I won’t mistakenly change WB, shut off my LCD, hit the chimp button or constantly have to check which buttons I’m hitting when using the EVF? Hell, I’ll take that.
I vote for improved user interface, but have my doubts.
Me? I’ll wait to down a bottle of pills and slash my wrists until after the official announcement, release of spec sheets and I can take a look at some sample images. Until then, it’s all good fun here in rumorland!
@ Admin: Ergonomy is not a real word. The correct term is ergonomics.
+100
ergonomics and features are what’s most important to me. I have larger hands and, as much as I love my GH2, I could do with things being spread out a bit more. Or some kind of locking switch so that I’m not making changes while fumbling around. (Hey Panny,how about a locking button that can be disabled by a 1 sec. press of any button)
I also like having the option of using a smaller body (GF or GX) with my lenses if I need to be discrete)
I have a feeling that many of you are reading way too much into the size issue. The camera body may be a little larger but the lenses will still be smaller and the overall system will continue to weigh less.
Then again, it may not be larger at all. Who knows? ………..well some people do but they tend to keep to themselves.
I remember seeing an Olympus E5 in Japan and remembering thinking how huge it was compared to my GH2.
The whole point of m4/3 is similar quality to APSC in a smaller more portable package.
I guess I won’t be getting the GH3. I hope the EM5 version 2 will be a similar size to the current EM5.
I doubt very much the GH3 will be anywhere near the size of a Pro or Semi-Pro DSLR. What are you people on… Oly pills?
“heavier” means 20g heavier, it is not a big deal
@Boooo! So that’s why the official micro four thirds page on http://www.four-thirds.org has this statement?
‘The Micro Four Thirds System standard maintains the Four Thirds System concept of “High-picture quality digital-dedicated design,” but focuses on reducing overall system thickness and size by aiming for a highly portable compact system.’
Erm… Because that’s what you get when having a shorter flange distance? Not much of a difference in size between the E-M5 and the E-4xx/E-6xx, for example.
@Booo Don’t want to admit that I’m right eh? 😉 Yes the shorter flange distance is part of it but the concept is for a smaller overall system with smaller cameras as per the mission statement of the official micro four thirds page. The appeal to m43 is its small size and light weight. Lose one of those and we might as well go for a larger sensored camera for better performance and IQ. I’ll just hope that the larger and heavier isn’t that much larger or heavier.
That was basically the concept of 4/3, on top of telecentricity (lost with m4/3), quality lenses (lost with m4/3) and an optimal flange-mount-sensor ratio (lost with m4/3).
This is funny! 😀
I remember the days when the GH3 was rumored to be smaller than the GH2.
And everybody complained about it. “I want a camera, not a toy”, “The GH2 is already to small for my hands…” BlaBla…
Now it seems that the GH3 is going to be BIGGER than the GH2. And how does the crowd react? Complaining, complaining and… well… complaining.
I just can´t believe it!
As far as I´m converned: I´m glad that Panasonic will give me a very useful and solid tool to make money with (I´m talking about video). My GH2 has already been very profitable. Thank you Panasonic (and of course VK ;-))!
yeah..we like to complain, thats the reason for making contradict comments
If this is all true, then it is good for m4/3 in general because people will finally loot at it as a serious format with the GH3 and OMD line. So dont worry, E-M5 bashers, we E-M5 owners are not intimidated at all. 😀 In fact I’m excited with all the new stuff.
*look 😀
Still no Global Shutter for such an amazing camera??? 🙁
Bigger and heavier? No, thank you.. They have to announce GH3 in GX1 form-factor, then ok 🙂
Bigger and heavier? No, thank you.. They have to announce GH3 in GX1 form-factor, then ok
Since when are the D7000 and the 7D pro bodies? Not like I need my camera to have a body like the D7000 or 7D, but you really cannot call them pro bodies any more than you can call the EM-5 a pro body.
They are both pro bodies. Since when do you need a full frame sensor to be pro? Idiot.
D7000 and 7D withstand rain and bumps, have good usability and build quality. Surely a bigger sensor would make them better, but the gap between them and any M43 is huge already.
hahaha … both 7D and especially D7000 are medioker body the only pro body in aps-c world is pentax K-5/7.
Yep, thats why the Pentax K57 dominates the market lol
he refered on the body, not the camera 😉
And the Nikon D300 D300s…..
But Nikon D7000 or Canon 7D are NOT “Pro DSLR”, theyre bottom end cameras.
Is GH3 really gonna be THAT bad??? 🙁
However, I like that it says it’s gonna bigger. FINALLY. Sick to death of this smaller micro4/3 cameras that you can’t even hold right.
No, GH3 is going to be a lot worse, like all M43s, except for size.
How are they low end cameras??? Professionals shoot with them all the time and get great images from them. Also too, since when do the specs of the camera determine if its pro or not? If someone is pro, then they can still do work with cameras that dont have all the bells and whistles of the $2500 + cameras. Its comments like this that show me sometimes the mentality of the photography world is going in the wrong direction.
Ben,
Really the Nikon D7000 and the Canon 7D are bottom end cameras? WTF are you smoking, they are considered Enthusiast/Pro consumer cameras. I am a Pro and I shoot with the D7000 as a everyday use camera along with the new D4, the flipping D800 I was going to get but the file sizes are so frickin huge it only shoots 4fps. As far as the Micro 4/3 go try shooting with one, there flipping great when it comes to picture quality and getting better, the new Olympus puts up some of the best shots I have seen in a small camera and easy to carry around. DSLRs are still the king of the crop when it comes to shooting but its not like you need a Full frame camera just to consider yourself to be a Pro snob. I have seen great pictures taken with a P&S in the right hands that would blow you away.
Also onequartersensor: The GH3 is one sweet camera, I want one just for the video alone, and the damn thing takes great pictures, again in the right hands.
http://vimeo.com/54076272
Mitch: I agree with you 100%!