That little MFT camera is going to be a hell of ca camera. It has a superfast 1/16.000 shutter! I am not 100% sure yet but I think this can be achieve in pure electronic shutter mode like the one from the Nikon V1.
I also got some more specs not mentioned before: ISO 200-25.600, battery life is 230 pics, weight 204g with card and battery
The camera will be announced tomorrow (Oct 17) at around 4-5am London time.
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Nikon V1 has 1/16,000th electronic shutter.
thanks!
The V1 is hybride mechanical shutter and electronic, My J1 is full electronic for all shutterspeeds.
It must be an Electronic shutter with this whopping speed!
just wish that with electronic shutter they could have better flash sync speeds… like sync right upto 1/160000…
Jaysus!
What the ..!!
No more ND filter if you want to shoot wide open during daytime!
With shutter speeds like that, you might not need to.
is a bit exaggerated dont you think? only in extreme bright light situations you cant shoot wide open.
With Voigt f/0.95, you bet?
And it would be very nice if the lens didn’t need a lens cap… Possible?
you will probably be able to get those “petal” style on ebay for nothing from a third party brand. No biggie. Remember, it’s an interchangeable lens camera.
??? I’ll never understand the things some people think is important.
>battery life is 230 pics
is that a joke?
Are you trolling? Have you seen the size of the thing?
Isn’t the GM1 using the same sensor as the GX7, which we already know to support 1/16000 speed in electronic mode? I’d put my money on a misinterpreted spec sheet item rather than supposing that it has a 1/16k global shutter (electrical or mechanical).
No one has said anything about a global shutter (other than you).
Admin: Put some pre-order link when available. 😉
I did the Sony A7r pre-order straight as still no links are listed over there.
Great, now I have an excuse to replace my X10.
The camera and the lenses are very interesting (especially the lens), and I will probably buy the lenses. That said, I believe that GM1 is aiming to competitions like Olympus EPM2 rather than Sony RX 100.
1/16000 is electronical shutter. Canon 1D had same ages ago. It was actually very nice feature for most of its users. Not sure how useful it is in this. 😀
I’ll be able to use all my Voigtländers wide open, all the time, of course! 😉
Cool feature, that’s for sure!
No one cares. Micro Four Turds, that abomination of the photographic world is dead! Who wants this toy when you can be a real MAN and shoot a Sony A7r!
In order to be a man, doesn’t one need to grow the eff up?
Real mean aren’t judged by the size of their sensor. Little boys posting from their iPhone while mommy drives them to school are the only people worried about the size of their manhood. Don’t worry, though. I’m sure by the time to reach high school you’ll have at least a 4″ sensor.
Lets see, the A7 only has one native AF prime, a huge 35 2.8? Gimeafukingbreak.
i think that FE prime 35 2.8 is about the size and weight of the Oly 17mm 1.8.
GM1 looks great. But I wonder whether there would be a market for a tiny m43 cam with no 3inch LCD. Instead a good EVF for viewfinder and playback. Preview can be done via EVF. Just a small mono LCD for shutter speed, aperture, iso, battery indicator, etc ala pro cameras. Imagine the space saving and improved battery life. Mirrorless allows this rethink.
Good idea, for example for being able to shoot in sunshine, and also for better stability when shooting (position of arms, support from head).
One can dream of all kinds of cool special m43 cameras. My favorite fantasy is a monochrome m43 camera without the Bayer filter.
That was me forgetting to log in.
Consumers, especially those likely to be interested in this camera, have been conditioned to think “digital camera = LCD.” Not putting one on would limit the camera’s market dramatically.
Sony just KILLED m43 withe their FULL FRAME mirrorless announcements.
How can a m43 sensor compete with full frame?
Panny is dead. Long live Panny.
AGREE. But M43 can go on as VIDEO CAMERA, if the do something better.
The smaller sensor in m4/3 gives me more keepers than “nose in focus ears blurry” full frame. So i have to disagree sony didn´t kill anything today, atleast not for me 🙂
Since a larger sensor camera c.p. has less diffraction problems, you can simply select a smaller aperture to get the same DOF.
With the same ‘DOF’ you get the exact same diffraction. Your ‘has less diffraction’ statement is a myth.
Exactly, so Gendut is wrong.
If i compare to pictures shot at same aperture the one with smaller sensor has more in focus.
In my opinion the frequently overlooked factor is the fact that the smaller sensor lenses like those for 4/3 are frequently close to maximum IQ even wide open while those of FF most likely have to be shut down 2 stops for best IQ aside from the larger size considerations. If stopping down to minimum aperture people using FF for landscape have to cart along a bulky tripod to obtain deep DOF while the smaller sensor cameras can get good DOF without and better for travel and backpacking.
Just my two bits.
How can this tiny 135 format ever compete with a proper medium format camera! Noone will use such a silly tiny amateur format, and especially no pro will ever use it!
That was well accepted conventional wisdom a few decades ago. Yes, 135 format is 35mm is ‘fool frame’.
No, it wasn’t the SLR that caused that, as medium and even large format SLRs, including ones with eyelevel finder exist, and are typically more modular and flexible devices then their 35mm counterparts.
It wasn’t that 35mm could deliver better quality, in absolute terms it can’t, it doesn’t even come close.
It wasn’t just the size of the cameras either, the smallest medium format cameras being very close to typical 35mm cameras, provided we limit ourselves to a single normal lens.
Nope, it was the combination of being practical and offering more then sufficient control and quality for many applications. The practicality being in the size, portability and flexibility of the setup in its entirety.
See, the question back then and the question you pose right now are the exact same question, and its pretty likely the answer is also going to be the exact same answer. Absolute quality is totally irrelevant (if it wasn’t you’d be arguing for Leica S or similar larger then 35mm formats), more then sufficient quality is what matters.
Have you seen the size of 35mm compatible lenses? m43 is mostly about just that, small size & weight while keeping very decent performances. If Sony manages to build great small & light lenses, then we talk. Until then…
The size of the lenses is a consequence of the overall system design and is not a direct result of sensor size. Simply put, basic physics/optics says that a FF 50mm f/4 would be the size and weight and give the same image with the same quality as a M43 25mm f/2. You can clearly see this with, for example, Canon’s 40mm f/2.8 STM. If Sony is willing to make a system with slower lenses for compactness and faster lenses for performance they will have a real winner and m43 should be worried.
Omg, so annoying. Who cares about ff? Huge, forget about telephoto or uwa, super expensive and this for only marginal benefit in IQ, which you will see only during pixel peeping? Pleeeease, get a brain check
Marginal? According to which dictionary is a two-stop high ISO improvement marginal?
There is NO current ff sensor that is two stop better than the best m43s. None. The very best (and most expensive) is 1.62 stops better. The rest are a stop at the most. At least do a decent googling before commenting
DXO low-light ISO scores:
Nikon D3s 3253 ISO
Olympus PEN E-PM2 932 ISO
Factor is 1.74
Since when is the Olympus PEN E-PM2 the “very best m43 sensor”. If you’re going to reply to someone, at least read what he wrote.
I think this E-PM2 result is the best low light result a FT sensor ever got on Dxo Mark
Excuse me but uwa is one of FF’s strength
Right. Because every consumer is going to jump on a camera as expensive as the Sony. Grow up. Post back when you can actually afford to buy one.
I think most of these FF fanbois are 12 years old, looking at camera porn and dreaming like kids used to do with playboy magazine.
4/3 competes, because what matters in everday use is size and weight of the whole package. There is no getting away from physics FF means humungous lenses, specially if fast or long. FF is great with a couple of primes, but for anything fast moving, or further away m43 wins hands down, for anyone who doesnt want to transport their gear on a trolley or wheelbarrow…….
One way it can compete is by offering very capable camera bodies for 20% of the price of the a7. Which it is currently doing.
Should I also explain to you how Chevy can possibly “compete” with Maserati? Or are you catching on now.
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Please, just how big is a hotshoe?
to big fo this camera…
Will the GM1 have RAW support? To me, this will be a deal breaker. I’m sure the chip is capable of it, so just wondering if Panasonic would be dumb enough to cripple RAW processing. Anyone know?
They haven’t made a M43 yet that didn’t have raw, so, I doubt they would start now.
What’s the point? The m4/3 sensor is so small, and most of the glass too slow, to really provide any value to such a high shutter speed. Even in bright daylight, you’ll be forced to hammer up the ISO to visibly intrusive levels. I’ve already seen enough example of grainy full daylight m4/3 shots at the 1/8000 you get in the Pen EM5 and OM5.
I’ve had plenty of occasions where I have been shooting f1.7 or f1.8 with my e-pl1 and bouncing off the slow 1/2000 shutter speed. Sure, 1/8000 is probably plenty, but no one will force you to use 1/12000. No such thing as too much of a good thing.
1/2000 is, indeed, laughably slow. I’ve got that with my S95, and even with that microscopic sensor, it still has to stop down in bright light. But again, superfulous features are just that. No one is going to be doing studio work with this new little Panasonic. So, even 1/8000 is likely too much, but 16K is a joke. They could have put that engineering time into something else which would have provided tangible value to the buyer/photographer.