Graph source: DxOmark.
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Focus Numerique (translation here) tested the E-M1 and as you see from the graph on top the E-M1 shows impressive results. A couple of years ago few would have believed a MFT camera can outperform a new ASP-C Canon DSLR 🙂
Photographyblog tested the Panasonic GM1 and writes:
In a nutshell, if you loved what you saw of the output of the GX7 but felt the body would be better even smaller, then the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 could be well worth giving a proverbial spin.
E-M1 Store Links:
Olympus E-M1 body at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto, Amazon DE (via DL), Amazon UK (via DL), Amazon ES (via DL), WexUK, Topshot FI, CameraWorldUK.
Olympus M. Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm f/2.8 PRO Lens at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, AmazonDE (viaDL), Amazon ES (via DL).
Olympus E-M1 with 12-40mm Lens kit at Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK and CameraWorldUK, Amazon UK (via DL), Amazon ES (via DL).
Olympus E-M1 with 12-50mm Lens kit at Amazon DE (via DL), WexUK, CameraWorldUK, Amazon UK (via DL), Amazon ES (via DL).
Olympus EP-13 Eyecup for E-M1 at Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus HLD-7 Battery Grip for E-M1 at Amazon, Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus LC-62D Metal Front Lens Cap for 12-40mm at Adorama and BHphoto.
Olympus LH-66 Lens Hood for 12-40mm at Adorama and BHphoto.
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Not surprised. Canon keep using out of date sensors and cannot keep up with the others who use Sony sensors. Even their top 5D Mark III is clearly inferior compared to other FF cameras.
This story is all about Sony sensors x Canon sensors.
No alarms and no surprises…
Exactly. Canon is behind with their sensors, whether APS-C or FF. I have a 7D, a NEX7 and now an EM1. As much as I like the 7D body (apart from weight) the sensor is not competitive. And frankly, when i saw the reviews of the 70D i was surprised that the only thing they really improved is AF (although it appears in that respect Canon did a big step .. wonder if the new M will have an AF system that will be as good or better than Oly/Pani).
More spin, admin?? The Em1 should beat a Aps-c camera made 4 years ago, with a sensor even older than that!
As we can see, it’s not beating the 70D.
Where are you seeing that?
As we can see, it DOES beat the 70D. You are blind.
So what? It does not change anything. Those Canon users buy a whole camera. They don’t buy just a sensor. Most of professionals still use Canon or Nikon gears. They shoot pictures, not graph, and they don’t waste their time reading DXOMARK.
Lmao. People here boasting about how much better their larger sensors are. Now that they can’t they have to shift the goalposts elsewhere. “No but real pros don’t care about dynamic range or ISO performance, nobody ever said that!”
Funny thing is, this is exactly what we 43/m43 users say when in discussion about 43 m43 sensors vs apsc or even FF.
He is not blind. He just thought because the red line representing the Canon 70D is a little longer at its right end, that means that its better. Poor kid…
Actually the EM1 does beat the 70D and every other Canon APS-C camera. The 70D only “slightly” outperforms the EM1 in ISO score, but only by a hair. In all other (more important) aspects the EM1 is noticeably better.
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M1-versus-Canon-EOS-70D___909_895
Feel free to try any Canon APS-C camera.
Credit should be give where credit is due. For the record I own a Sony RX1R and an Olympus E-PM2 (and tons of film bodies). So, not an Oly fanboy.
It won´t help to tell the untruth. EM1 is on par with some APSCs and outperforms the D70 sensor-wise. But at least Nikon has much stronger sensors. Conclusion, when looking at a picture most of us can´t tell the difference any more… Buy whatever suits one and get some good glases.
Are you retarted? Look again at the graph. See how the 70D has worse DR? OK then, your welcome.
Sony.
APS-C is dead!
Outdated bloated tupperware bodies with 20th century mirror and no evf
Too heavy/large lenses and you even need FF because aps-c lenses generally suck
Meh!
Yes, APS is dead! It consists only of some 85% of all interchangeable lens sales. Olympus could not compete in that world and slinked out. Canon and Nikon are profitable and mirrorless is losing money. In all Black Friday ads from major merchandisers, we saw lots and lots of DSLRs, scarcely any at all of mirrorless (maybe a Sony NEX 5 once)- retailers will not waste precious ad space on products with no market . Therefore, APS is dead!!!
There is a strange compulsion among some mirrorless fans to treat their consumer toys as though, tomorrow the world!!! Whereas those who use more mainstream formats don’t even give this a thought. Kind of one sided, maybe a little over the top. Enjoy your toys without declaring every other toy dead to everyone you meet… it smacks of some unexplainable desperation.
“In all Black Friday ads from major merchandisers, we saw lots and lots of DSLRs, scarcely any at all of mirrorless”
You don’t need to advertise or discount goods that are selling well, don’t you :)?
Bull!
Olympus were never ‘in’ APS-C so couldn’t ‘slink out’. Olympus went straight from 35mm film to 4/3.
My E-M1 is kicking APS-C butt, and you anti m43 idiots can’t stand it. You always have an excuse. Now that the E-M1 is better, you come up with excuses that the APS-C sensor is old. Oh please, if Canon uses those sensors, too bad. Hahahahahahahaha…
MrALLCAPS – you can SHOVE IT!!!!
A photographer that takes amazing photos beats out any camera ever made from it’s invention until the end of time.
Amazing statement there zesty. You think it might catch on? Or be real?
Photographer still needs a camera
Yeah kicking the butt of an entry level cheapo DSLR. Try matching the D7100 or the Fuji X camwras – lol.
M43 is the new compact.
Entry level ? Canon EOS 70D ?
I suggest you do a bit of research.
In fact the 70D has the latest Canon APSC sensor.
th
What this show is that any camera from m43 upwards in good enough for most purposes.
And in 3 or 4 years it will be any camera with a 1″ sensor upwards.
It’s the relentless move to smaller and smaller imaging area that has been happening for well over a hundred years.
Yes there will be some people still shooting FF in the same way there are some people still shooting Medium Format and Large Format film but for most people the smaller sensor will be sufficient.
I’m looking forward, in 20 years, to the tiny sensor superzoom cameras with the same DR and noise characteristics of current m43/APSC . Then I’ll never need to change a lens again.
+1000
Why does ANYONE pay attention to Mr. All caps????? The guy is an idiot.
Can anyone tell me if (and why?) the DR or the IQ of the M1 is better than that of the OMD-EM5, E-PL5 or E-P5 other than some “slight” sharpness because there is no AA filter on the M1????????…but they all have basically the same image sensor other than the PDAF implementation…right?
I think in real use that the M1 and the Canon APS-C sensor cameras are basically equal…although the are some rendering and color signature differences and such…..
It is a different sensor, because of the PDAF, not besides. Both the E-P5 and E-M1have the same 1/2unit increase in DR so its not just an anomaly.
As he is probably being paid good money for his posts, I doubt he cares.
DR is only one aspect of photo quality – albeit a very important one – but it is good to see m43 doing so well these days.
I’m not surprised the measurbators are feeling a little uneasy but people who feel threatened by m43 will always have the good ole DOF argument to fall back on.
Add the ISO value to the equation, and they’ll shut up. FF cameras need 4 times ISO than a m43 camera, if they want to keep shutter speed equal to m43..
To each one its own, I say, but still some people need the phylosophy “mine is bigger than yours and I’m better”. 🙂
I am curious how the Panasonic own sensors would perform against cannon.
The upcoming organic shizzle seems very promising on paper, Canon better gets ready. 😛
Who cares what any of these tests say….. I was taking better photographs with my early “inferior” m43 cameras when I gave up my Canon gear. You know why? Because the m43 cameras made me want to get out and take photographs!!! I was so tired of lugging all of the larger gear, that it all sat at home. My E-M1 with the 12-40 is by far the “closest” I’ve had in size and weight to my old Canon gear, yet it’s still considerably smaller and lighter. This camera and lens combo runs circles around anything that’s twice the price and much larger.
Well seeing that it just a hairs breath of difference then why is it 30 percent more expensive?
Well, this camera is more solid and faster than any other m43 camera. It’s truly built like a tank. While the GX7, E-P5 and E-M5 are also solid, they don’t come close to the E-M1. Everything down to the buttons has a solid reassuring feel to them. I guess it’s up to you whether you think it’s worth the extra 30%. I felt it was. I may not be a steal at the price, but it’s not overpriced either. I have no problem with a company making a quality product and charging for it….
Easy. Law of supply and demand – many more dSLRs are sold. Plus, much, much of the dSLR R&D was done years or decades ago and has been recouped.
Good weather seals and a top notch image stabilization system in the body.
The EVF is another costly aspect.
Don’t worry, give it a handful of months and current top end m4/3 gear will be priced the same! 😀
But meanwhile Canon APS-C will have gone nowhere in substantially improving.
WOW. 2013 Sony 4/3″ 2x crop sensor camera beats a 2009 Canon APS-C 1.6x crop sensor. Put m43 sensor up against the best Sony/Toshiba/Aptina APS-C and FF sensors in Sony, Nikon and Pentax cameras to see if m43 “is as good as APS-C and even FF” as the failboys claim.
Learn to take some criticism, m43. m43 fanboys dish out the most vitriol against all other systems. “APS-C: dead”. “DSLR: needs a truck to carry”. “FF: no one needs it, shallow DOF for idiots”. “Fuji X: can’t AF, watercolours, soft lenses, expensive”. “Sony E-mount: no good lenses, lenses are massive and slow, expensive”. Etc. etc.
m43 is so great. That’s why no one else will join Olympus and Panasonic to make an m43 camera. There is no money in m43. It’s a financial death sentence as the sales and profits show. Olympus will eventually abandon m43 as it did 4/3 and OM. They will be a parts and technology provider to Sony and other brands who survive.
Are you retarted also? Look at the NEW 70D on the graph, moron. It sure acts like a 2009 sensor now, doesn’t it jackwagon?
While I do not completely disagree with your statements, the fact is that after the Olympus EM-5 EVERY Canon APS-C camera, (including the most current ones) has had worse performance. The EM1 is just a minor update.
So the real issue is not so much how good m4/3 is, but how bad Canon has developed their sensors in comparison to all others. Heck, compare the full frame 5DMK3 Sony/Nikon Full frame, or even Nikon/Pentax APS-C cameras…
amidst a chorus of whinging in support/opposition, this is the only real conclusion from this figure
This is a pleasant information, though it’s not a surprise, and those qualities do come with the price.
That test is for general users like us, but those professionals don’t waste time for this lab test, graph, and numbers. They buy a whole camera system, not just a sensor.
So true. I never care much about the lab test result. What matters is how it works and how it fits your purposes in reality.
Of the six professional (previously non-Olympus) photographers I have anything to do with personally, two have bought E-M1 and one now is seriously considering buying it. His delay is he is primarily an inside sports shooter so he needs Nikon for that, so the E-M1 is his second camera. That is half of the professionals I know.
@Kenneth
That’s correct. Looking around every major event, I don’t see any professionals use m4/3 gears.
“That test is for general users like us, but those professionals don’t waste time for this lab test, graph, and numbers.”
I agree what to you say but I also don’t choose what to buy based on what pro’s use. Their needs are different from mine. Though graph results are not the most important thing, I do value it like other reviews as I don’t want to waste time/money buying and trying out different equipment myself.
“They buy a whole camera system, not just a sensor.”
This is why I went to m4/3 (not NEX, etc.) in the first place when I wanted lighter/smaller equipment. I used to use a Canon DSLR but didn’t want to move up to a FF Canon. I didn’t like the fact that there is not much EF-S lenses and using EF lenses is not optimal (kind of weird FoV with the crop factor, big and expensive EF lenses, etc.). Also, m4/3 bodies tend to have more features for the same price, like built-in wireless flash control, more AF points, metal casing/magnesium build, large and 100% viewfidner, IBIS, and so on.
The canon sensor is less than 2mm taller (width does not matter). So there is next to nothing difference in size using a 1.1 or 3.4 format and 3.2 is a big loss anyway on the sides. I have never seen how the canon apsc could be as vastly superior as many would have it be. The less than 2mm could be made up by electronics, firmware engine and a more positive attitude to refinement. Seems I was right. Again.
Never cease to amaze with those PHD’s JimD, keep up the great work.
Yada yada among fanboys, waste of time. Also a waste of time: the GM-1, which is a toy, without an evf. What I’d like is a Leica C with 43 mount and 16mp sensor. GX7 too big and inelegant.
What a twit, but a twit with obviously more money than brains. The EM1 and GX7 are the enthusiast cameras to beat. The GM1 is simply a handy little gem, which provides insurance in a pinch.
I invested in the Micro 4/3s several years ago (2008) because I thought then it was a great format. I still love it today. Shooting Nikon 1 and M43 side by side! Two good systems in mirrorless! 🙂
yes too good systems for instagram just cheap hipsters will use , expensive one have leica s
you are a f***ing loser… only ff 36×24 is good.. haha.. that’s insanely ridiculous… grow up and leave this cave where you live…
I’m surprise to find out the GM1 have 1/16000s beat the premier GX7 . How could Pana do this ?
Consider both production are quite close , this should not be happened .
Y not. Ford don’t put the “T” engine in their cars any more. I think.
yeah right just talk about shallow DOF …game over canon way better in ISO and DXO mark is crap EM1 is over price girlish camera other fail for wannabes pro
The E-M1 beats the 5D Mark III in DR by a whole unit! That is far more important to me than the 4% improvement in colour depth that the 5DMark III has over the E-M1. I am trying to get away from HDR as much as possible so tha unit of DR is important to me. The reason why the 5DMark III beats the E-M1 is because of ISO. And if you have been following the posts you will realise that the difference is really only one stop. The IBIS easily beats that. Shooting perfectly sharp at 80mm equivalent 1/5sec. It wasn’t dark enough to get to the 1 second people are getting in 20% of their shots.
DOF for me, is not an issue, the way I photograph 1.8 is more than enough.
fanboy talking sure u never use a real camera man get a life
really… who is a fanboy actually?? u hate m43 so much that you don’t miss a post here…
You Abbreviate and don´t use commas, somehow you seem that there is a need for defend the full frame systems, Why don´t you go and buy a film camera (full frame) and takes some nice pictures or take a full frame digital and upload them to any website and post it here, we will gladly comment on them and try to make suggestions, you see, the thing about photography is that is not about the gear, is about making photographs, it is considered an art you know?, try to relax and get out and live my friend, go and take photos of a cat, of a nice girl, maybe fall in love, take pictures and have fun, then posting this kind of thing will be very boring my friend.
is the em1 full frame? or just have the quater of the sensor?
It’s a full m43 frame sensor. Its area is 1/4th of a 35mm sensor, and that’s why a 35mm sensor needs to crank up ISOs 4 times to take the same photo in low light.
So we have a convert. Where is the Sony A you planned to buy? Perhaps it’s not so inexpensive as you thought?
Or with the jitters you can’t hold it still 🙂
Ciao Am, no, I’m not a convert: I have always needed a second m43 body, since I own almost all primes, and once tried the Em1 (held in hands and looked through the EVF) I bought it the following day.
Since I work mostly in places where discretion is mandatory, I could not use any of the alphas 7.
Rx1 looks more appealing to my style of shooting, but I wish it had a 50mm.
so thats why up to 1600 the images are falling apart in the gh3 em5?
show us examples…. this blah-blah is nothing!! we are in 2013, have you noticed?
Check your low light 6400 ISO.. Do you have any?! Penoso..
Yes, it beats Canon APS-C. So what? Because in ISO capacity it lags behind the FOUR TIMES “cheaper” E-PM2!? And far far far behind the ALSO FOUR TIMES “cheaper” Pentax K-30 and K-500!!! Therefore, I am not buying the E-M1!
I hear you it is expensive, but having played with it for a week, its worth every cent
Tme E-M1 actually beats every Canon camera in DR, even the 4 times as expensive “full frame” proffesional 1Dx.
I take it that the ISO capacity is practically the most important parameter. And I don’t know about others – or about most people for that matter, and I don’t care. My personal philosophy is that if someone is trying to sell you a bar of soap for €2 while its qualities are such that it should cost €1, I am not buying it. How can Pentax and Nikon – and how can Olympus themselves (E-PM2) – do it for much less? They should have asked us to help the company financially by purchasing the E-M1. They haven’t. So, I am not buying it. Because it should cost €750, not €1500. Had they asked us for financial help, my intentions might have developed otherwise…. In the given circumstances I am considering a Pentax K-30 for backup to the E-PM1 🙂 for ultra-wide (Sigma 8-16).
Wrong because the quality of this is way more than what the EPM 2 can offers. Those things such as 5-axis, weather seals… may not be your cup of cakes but it doesn’t mean others don’t need or want those features. The prices are therefore reflected of all these customers’ needs, not just your needs.
But if you insist, by all means feel free.
silly discussions. I have a mft system, I take photos, most of the time I’m happy. I have a friend, he has a nikon, he take photos, most of the time he’s happy. I know other people who has other systems, they take photos, most of the time they are happy. What’s the problem?
KK, thank you for bringing it down to reality.
@admin – isn’t there a possibility to frame discussions to an acceptable intellectual level? I am starting to get annoyed with the posts here
Advice: repeat a Tibetan mantra the canonical 200,000 times, before writing down some insanity. It clears the mind wonderfully.
You’ll become v. compassionate too, and thus this will become a better place 🙂
Yes. who wants posts that make sense? no discussion in those.
what about Nikon and Sony DSLRs
btw check this what you can by at Oly site 🙂 …translation is FOTO-BRICK !
http://www.olympusobchod.cz/katalog/prislusenstvi/ostatni-yqfqw/olympus-fotocihla-ART06218
Nice joke, this “DSLR Gear simulation tool”. I had a lough.
Must be: burst of laughter.
The hard part is beating Nikon. The sensors in Sony cameras are good. But, the sensors in Nikon cameras are even better.
For example, D7000 and NEX 5 were both introduced in 2010. But, the D7000 is clearly better at DxO.
“The hard part is beating Nikon.” Why beat Nikon. They have good product and are no problem for m43. I use e-m5 and e-m1. That’s my choice. Others have chosen Nikon. Fine.
Admin is obsessed with the promotion of M43. I’m providing perspective.
Nikon is using the same sensors from Sony.
The difference is in the other parts of the imaging pipeline, like processing etc.
Actually, Nikon is using Sony AND Nikon sensors.
Nikon’s pro cameras (Dx) are not using Sony sensors. If I remember correctly, the D3xxx are not using Sony sensors.
And guess what, when dxo tested the D4, there were 3 cameras that beat it with regards to sensor performance, the D800, the D800E, and a medium format device from Phaseone.
Note that there are 2 known Sony sensors there beating that Nikon sensor.
Also note that Olympus claims to be using Olympus sensors, Panasonic claims to be using Panasonic sensors and all that, guess what, that says something about who created the specs for it, and generally concerns variations on pre-existing designs that make it vendor specific, but it says absolutely nothing whatsoever about who manufacturers the sensor, or about the core technology in that sensor.
So.. the bottomline is that its not clear who actually made the D4 sensor, merely that it contains Nikon design and technology, but it is clear that 2 variations of a known Sony sensor outperform it, so eh, what exactly was your point again? Beating Nikon was the difficult thing to achieve? Sorry dude, it already has been done.
Don’t agree with you. It’s Nikon that’s driving the Sonikon partnership. After all, Nikon outsells Sony ILC handily.
Before the D3, Sony sensors were so-so. After the D3, Sony sensors took a jump upwards.
The D800 (36mp) introduced in 2012 had no Sony camera equivalent till 2013.
Sony took the lead in 24mp APSC in 2011. Nikon followed with the D3200 in early 2012.
Seems to me that Nikon is leading the way in technology. However, Sony has been quicker at mass production cameras. But, Nikon’s own mass production ability is close behind.
And yet, the D800 and the D800E use Sony manufactured sensors, whereas the D3 (like the D4) uses a claimed Nikon sensor.
That doesn’t mean there is no Nikon technology involved, and I never claimed that, all I pointed out is that claimed Nikon produced sensors are according to dxo outperformed by known Sony produced sensors, and somehow, sensors using extremely similar technology and either rumored or known to be made by Sony are used by others then Nikon. If we have to believe your take on things those in fact use Nikon sensors? sure.
Besides that, Sony doesn’t have to sell cameras to sell their sensors, in fact those are 2 totally independent parts of the Sony empire and your modified argument has nothing whatsoever to do with what you were originally arguing.
My point was that Nikon uses Sony AND proprietary sensors. Nikon technology and customer-strategy drives the Sonikon partnership. Nikon retains leadership at the high end while building independence in the consumer segments.
Nikon remains the technology company to beat in photography.
Not in the area of sensors, as demonstrated by sony sensors outperforming nikon ones and being available to others.
I am perfectly happy with my E-600, my two E-520s, my PEN1 and my E-PM2. No other camera for the moment. Next camera: probably Pentax K-30. Only I am not quite happy if someone is trying to make a fool of me.
You are quite successfully making a fool of yourself with remarks like that.
Buying a camera by high ISO performance only is as stupid as buying a car by its 0-60mph time only.
And as has been repeatedly mentioned to you, 0.25 stops of high ISO performance is within the error tolerance of DXOmark testing.
In other words, if you were to take another sample of the E-M1 and EPM2 the numbers may be reversed.
“Buying a camera by high ISO performance only is as stupid as buying a car by its 0-60mph time only.” I am stupid and I bought my car by its 0-60mph time. And I did a good thing. Because a car with a high 0-60mph performance has everything else … Not the same with the latest Oly product.
Well than, it’s clear in what category you fit then 😉
Dear Jankoff,
Making you look like a fool…
As you are well aware I’m one of the people who has been countering your 25% high iso loss argument repeatedly, demonstrating that:
– your math is wrong
– you use numbers from dxo, yet totally ignore the statements from dxo about the irrelevance of the difference you are looking at
You respond to that by first getting all upset, and then just ignoring it and repeating the same stuff in the next thread.
Now, tell us, who is making you look like a fool in this, the people who point out the flaws repeatedly, or the person ignoring that and continuing to post the same flawed argument?
Think about your role in this Jankoff, because while I can’t speak for others, I have absolutely no desire or intention to make you look like a fool, but I do have the intention to make you see your own mistakes so you can learn from them and look like the opposite of a fool next time.
This is “My Car is better than you car” discussion
But, I don’t have a car!
😉
Did you know that APS-C Canon currently is not highly regarded at all? Basically because there has not been any improvement for years. It is not at all an achievement to beat that.
Why can´t comments be edited?
When looking at the numbers it actually shows that the MFT flagship is just as bad as APS-C Canon.
Yet they out sell Nikon and Sony and Pentax.
What does that say about all the current sensors ?
And the reaction in places like this is because for many years sensor size was constantly shoved in people’s faces as a reason why m43 was poor.
Now that the sensors are better than the number 1 selling brand suddenly it doesn’t matter.
The reality is that it doesn’t matter anymore except for internet equipment geeks but it’s nice to to give them a tast of their own medicine.
High sales figures say NOTHING about performance or quality. It says everything about their marketing.
Think McDonalds or Microsoft. Garbage.
No, high sales figures say a lot about performance and quality. They say that the performance and quality is fine by the majority of consumers. Otherwise, why would consumers pay their hard earned money?
It’s good to be a snob and look down on the mass market, since it makes us feel superior, but Olympus would kill to have Canon sales, and Arby’s would kill to have McDonald’s sales.
let’s talk agan in 5 years…
“They say that the performance and quality is fine by the majority of consumers.”
Not at all, they say that the majority of consumers has no real idea about the differences between the various cameras within their budget, rather they buy what the salesman (supposedly photographer, but usually just some dude working in a camera shop) tells them, what gets to the top of the list at their favorite online shops and so on.
“Otherwise, why would consumers pay their hard earned money?”
Because the salesperson told them so, because it tops a list of their favorite online shop, because of advertisements, because they see ‘professionals’ use that brand, because of the brand being fashionable etc etc etc. All of this has to do with perception, and absolutely zero with technology or photography, let alone with the quality of the results.
I’m sorry to say but the large majority of the consumers buys products without knowing enough about those products to make an informed decision. You may not like that, but all the consumer technology markets show that, and have been showing that for decades.
That this doesn’t totally apply to enthusiasts (regardless of the actual market or products) is often true, but those do not make up the large majority of the consumers.
+100
I’ve been at B&H and seen the guys behind the Olympus & Panasonic counter steer people to Canon and Nikon, when clearly the customer was interested in a smaller, more manageable camera.
The spiffs from Nikon and Canon sales must be higher.
Totally agree. Thatswhy I pay more attention to the work of m43 users. Most of the time they are people who know more about photograprhy than the rest. I know this sounds a little bit absolute but from my personal experience thats just the way it is (mainly because they do not succumb to the reasons you (yaa) mentioned above).
I absolutely agree with this. Many colleagues and friends ask me what camera to buy, I recommend, say, 5 cameras. And they do not buy the best one, they buy the one at the bottom of the list for some strange reason.
Very happy owner of a GX7 here. It seems that we are traveling back in time (-:). If sensors are increasingly on par it might happen that folks will focus more on lenses. Looks like we have had the situation before.
What has changed dramatically is the opportunity to build compact bodies and lenses without compromising quality. The next step would probably have to be larger manufacturing volumes in order to lower prices (my cam + 20mm lens + 45mm lens = USD 1800).
I bought my E-M1 due to handling and because I’m bought into M43 with lenses. For ME all of todays digital system cameras are good enough in terms of technical image quality, I’d expect that for Nikon 1 system as well.
I don’t expect my pictures to improve at all from my new cam. I expect my fun to grow.
OK, here is my contribution to this story: As I bought mine due to handling, I did that in a “real” shop, to touch and handle first. And what I recognized: They sell several cameras per hour. Most leave the shop with kit lens. People trust on the recommendation of the sellers. And sometimes the sellers recommend a M43 camera now. Sometimes. One year ago, M43 was not really present on the shelf. Fo me this is a signal that things might change in the future.
+1
I also observed a similar situation in a dedicated cam shop here in Berne. The client had to decide between an e-m5 and a d70. I didn’t want to interfere. Otherwise I would have taken out my e-m5 zuiko 45mm combo and persuaded him to join m43.
Anyway, it was good to see that sellers take m43 into consideration 🙂
http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2013/12/03/my-pick-for-camera-of-the-year-2013-the-olympus-om-d-e-m1/
DR was never that important to me, but could appreciate wide lattitude in a raw file. Since the use of the sony sensor i found this to be quite ok. It still does not match the old kodak sensors used in their kodak dslr line, but better then the 1Ds I used before.
DXo for wannabes small sensor ppl just think in numbers
actually you live in a theory world…
so now olympus lenses are better than fuji ?
you are so worried which is better… take your big bag go out and shoot… this is all about good pictures… even if you are hanging a sign around your neck saying “i’m shooting full frame”
EM-5 was already kicking some Canon asses!!! EM-1 is even better, and the glass… oh man, Olympus and Leica glass are so much better than Canon.
As a system as a whole, Olympus is almost there too, I bleive they will reach Canon and Nikon in the coming 2 to 3 years as a system.
Beating Canon in DR is like winning the Special Olympics.
which is very good indeed!!!!!
A good collection of poor kids stroking their epeens here.
The comments of this site is just fking sad.
These threads are sooo lame. The m43 crowd runs around like a bunch of crazed sports fans with the passion and ignorance of the newly converted. Who cares? As a 7D owner the sensor is crazy old and not great – but you know what is great? The AF speed and lens selection. I mostly only use the 7d for birding these days and there’s nothing in the m43 world that can come close in terms of long lens selection and the tiny focus point of the 7D. People use specific cameras according to their needs and budgets, these freakin lame ass wars are so dumb.
You know that you are on a m4/3 site, don’t you? For Canikon, go somewhere else!
Relax! You’re taking it personally. Don’t fret. It’s just gear talk.
ADMIN mentioned the 7D. So, Brudy is offering the obvious counterpoint that the camera is more than just the sensor. That’s why Canon DSLR sales are 7x Olympus.
Wow, our site are so popular that it even attracts b**t-hurt Canon users. Sorry your EOS2 failed again.
I weep sincerely.
Realize that in 4:3 crop, the Canon sensor is physically only a tiny bit larger than the m43 sensors. In it’s natural 3:2 ratio, it will naturally have more width. If you take it from this angle, even if the sensors were exactly the same but in different ratios, the Canon would still only be marginally better.
Let me just ask you guys… All of you apparently love photography, so why the hell are you bitching like this with each other? If canon, Nikon, Olympus, sony or Fuji does it for you, good! Be happy then. Don’t spend you precious time at a forum bitching.
You must be new here. Let me guide you:
1, Forget your sanity and reasoning
2, Grow a very thick skin
yes ppl need to remenber this is a small sensor fanboys blind with bad cameras
m43 system fans is like state communism. No criticism or opposition allowed. Don’t criticise m43 system. Sad sick system for the mentally deranged communistic mind.
I see people criticising m4/3 with actual arguments and spark discussion. I also see whiners and trolls come by who like you make absolutely no argument. Gu4ss why such morons (you included) are not made welcome here.
Please don’t fool yourself thinking these are pro cameras. Ask any wedding,Sports or Product photographer..NONE are using a camera like this as their primary camera. I shot 2000 photos (raw) yesterday ..none of these cameras could do that. These are great travel cams,second cams,hobby cams. Don’t expect more.
A technique often called spray and pray…
And eh, an e-m1 (for example) can easily handle 2000 raws a day, so even if you insist on spray and pray, you can.a
@ yaa No not spray & pray…just a working pro who shoots the required amount of content. Yes,long hard working days 🙂
“No not spray & pray…just a working pro who shoots the required amount of content.”
So how many published/sold pictures did that get you? Because those are the required content, not the total number of pictures shot. However, the difference is a rather relevant indicator of the ‘spray and pray’ level.
“Yes,long hard working days”
No, the long hard working days come from sorting and postprocessing all those images. Any economically sane working professional knows that the more images you shoot, the higher the per-image cost will be for the photographer, with lower profits as a result.
The trick is to shoot enough pictures to have all the content you need and leave some room for the occasional issue you might encounter, yet minimize the number of shots you took but won’t use. Failing the first will put you out of required content, but failing the second will make you uncompetitive because of the impact on cost.
I have thousands of published pictures over the last 25 years.Different jobs have different requirements. Leaving this conversation now as I have work to do 🙂