1) Xjrumo said that he has been told by trusted sources that the X200 FF (see here) will come 2014. Personally I trust him, as he was right in the past when he shared rumors of his trusted sources.
2) You may already know that Sony produces the APS-C sensors for the Fuji cameras (and other brands). I’ve dropped an email to Andrea from sonyalpharumors and he told me some interesting things. Here is how it goes: once Sony implemented a new sensor in one of their cameras, other companies have to wait at least 6 months before they have the permission to use it in their own cameras. This means that if Fuji wants to use the brand new FF sensor of the the A7r or A7 they’d have to wait at least until mid April (maybe right in time for my birthday :)). On the other hand they could already use the “older” FF sensor of the [shoplink 14322]RX1[/shoplink] and launch an X200 earlier. But it seems that Fuji decided to wait and launch the FF Fuji by the end of 2014, ealry 2015.
3) There will be new roadmap that includes weather sealed lenses and also f/2.8 constant aperture mid-range zoom lens. The lens roadmap should be updated early 2014. (src-Al Valentino at dpreview)
4) Everything has to be confirmed by trusted sources.
thanks to Sonyalpharumors / Xjrumo / Al Valentino at Dpreview (via PR)
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Anyone think they will change the zoom range or do you think they will keep it the same as the 55-200? Regardless If that’s the case this new zoom and a 56 1.2 will be my bokehlicious combo. Will the weather sealed lenses just be updates on the new primes or just the future road map of lenses and their designs from here on out? Very curios to hear what you guys think.
“bokehlicious”? What are you a 13 year old girl?
Don’t be so rude…
Just a DigitalRev viewer (aka. the Top Gear of photography)
“BiggerD” I just laugh at that ! XD
And i’m whatever age you want me to be 😉
What are you…a 13 yr old boy??
Photokina is in September 2014. That is when EVERY major camera manufacturer must have a headline new product and that is when then FF X200 will be announced.
X100s was announced on Jan 2013, hopefully Jan 2014 for X200 but that’s too soon so yeah maybe Summer 2014
Great news. Fell in love with the X system. 🙂
I just saw it said mid range zoom. Which is not telephoto unless I’m interpreting that wrong. Is this planning to overlap the 1855 or a similar range and be the high end professional lens like canon or bisons infamous 2470 2.8 lenses
Weather sealed lenses means X-Pro2 will be? Else why bother?
Now that would be exciting, rather than a bigger sensor.
This is true. I’d rather keep waiting until even mid 2014 but for a full pro featured cutting edge xpro2 then the type of upgrade we just saw going from 1 to 2 in the xe Series.
why not use the a99 d800 or d610 sensor and make a ff line?
Because the Fuji lens line is based on APS-C and NOT full frame. Similar to Pentax Fuji has developed a lens line that is specific to APS-C.
Would be nice if Fuji introduces an FF MLC. They would certainly be able to design excellent lenses for it and make it photographer centered as we have seen them do on their APS-C MLCs. I guess the only problem I see is that FF means larger size and higher weight on lenses compared to APS-C if you want the lenses to have high quality optics, and you do if you are after the high IQ that can be obtained with FF.
For me it will be interesting to see if an FF MLC can match an APS-C MLC near enough from a portability perspective to make it acceptable given the IQ improvement. For others it may be interesting to see if an FF MLC can substitute their FF DSLR, but for me I think that if that happens it will take time, because of lacking AF/EVF performance and because an FF MLC that would feel comfortable with large lenses would likely need to be at least as large and heavy as a D800/5Dm3 to balance well and have good ergonomics, which would take away the MLC portability gain over a DSLR.
I expect Fuji would like the latest sensors and sensor technology will take a big leap forward late 2014 early 2015 when Sony brings out a new high MP sensor. You never know the Fuji Panasonic partnership may have an organic sensor by then 🙂
That rule about waiting 6 months to get Sony’s sensors doesn’t sound so correct when looking at Nikon’s camera releases. But anyway… Is there any hard proof that Fuji’s sensors are made by Sony? Or is it just a guess? The sensors in the X20/XQ1 are not in Sony’s line, so probably they are made by someone else (Toshiba?). If so, why not think that they also make the APS-C sensors with that same company?
Fuji sensors are manufactured by Sony. And yes, Toshiba makes the X20 sensor.
So, Sony is using the X-Trans sensors as well?
Or is Sony simply manufacturing the chip for Fuji, but still Fuji technology?
sony manufactures the sensor, but the x-trans pattern is only used by Fuji.
X-Trans is simple CFA (color) filter on TOP of the sensor. Underneath it’s just a regular Sony’s 16 MP CMOS sensor (what Sony calls Exmor).
X-Trans is simply CFA (color) filter on TOP of the sensor. Underneath it’s just a regular Sony’s 16 MP CMOS sensor (what Sony calls Exmor).
I think maybe Nikon share some kind of patent/technology that Sony camera department really needs but that just guessing
I’d love to know how they would make it an X-trans CMOS sensor.
if fuji put out an x200 [ff] before making the xpro_ [ff], they might as well trash the xpro series, because how can you have a flagship camera constantly be in 2nd-4th place compared to the rest of your lineup?
i don’t see nikon making or updating cameras in their lower models that surpass the flagship d4.
all this talk and focus of caring more about the mid to low end and screwing the pro segment, i’m tired of waiting and quickly realizing i should just go back to a canon or nikon.
why not a sony a7?
Sony doesn’t make camera’s but electronics. They wasted the Minolta know how until nothing was left of it, and for credibility reasons, they need the Zeiss logo or nobody would even be interested in it.
I find it strange that even though there is a Zeiss logo on many Sony lenses, they still are not very good optically. They should be, or maybe the problem is that Zeiss knows how to make good optics while Sony does not, but Zeiss does not know how to design and produce high quality lenses cost effectively? So to match what Sony likes to pay, Zeiss designs not so good optics?
“they are still not good optically” ? Did you come to this amazing conclusion by using every Sony Zeiss lens in existence? I used the 24mm 1.8, the 16-35mm and the 24-70mm and the 85mm 1.4 at one time or another. Each of these were world class optics with amazing IQ. Curious how you reached your conclusion?
I do base my opinion mainly on what I find as trustworthy sites that test lenses (Photozone and SLRGear to mention two). I support my view with some of my own experience and what people that I trust have told me that they have experienced, i.e. the way I think most people collect and validate their information.
The impression I have got by doing this so far is what I have stated above i.e. that to me it seems as if it is a common opinion amongst those who test photo gear that Sony is generally not producing the best optics available.
Because Sony always fails with the design and size of their cameras, which, in my opinion, they have with the A7/ A7r. And, they have very few good lenses. Sony produces great sensors, but not so great cameras or lenses.
This is the first time I hear Fuji using an other company sensor. Nikon even used Fuji back in the infancy of digital photography.
The D4 does have the lowest resolution sensor of the entire current Nikon lineup!!!!
Lets hope they don’t ruin the FF with the x-trans filter
I’m sad to hear (according to these rumors) that they won’t make it an X-Trans =/
who knows? Could be X-Trans as well.
No to xtrans. I loved the colors of the X100. I hate the xtrans that came after. The fuji colors are missing from xtrans images. A FF x200 without xtrans would be killer.
I think that the Fuji colors depend on more than X-Trans (Rico showed that when he compared the X-M1 IQ to the X-A1 IQ if I remember correctly). Likely the color processing is at least as important together with the raw converter/jpeg engine.
I like the colors that come out of the X100S and hope that the upgrade from X-E1 to X-E2 will bring colors more like the ones from the X100S.
I don’t care about Sony’s sensors! Why SONY? Fujifilm making it’s own X-Trans no Bayer sensors! That’s why I choose Fujifilm!
The Fujifilm sensors ARE made by Sony – the X-Trans-Pattern is an overlay…
X-Trans is simply CFA (color) filter. All sensors have some kind of color filter on top. That’s what Fuji calls X-Trans and is patented by Fuji.
The CMOS sensor under the color filter is just a regular 16 MP Sony sensor (like D7000, K-5, Nex-5 etc) same sensor.
Sony’s announcement of the A7 series shook up the industry.
They forced Nikon to pre-announce the D400, frantically trying to dress it up as somehow being retro.
They forced Fuji to really pre-announce their roadmap.
Pre-announcements are risky, because they tend to freeze current product sales while customers wait for the new stuff. But not doing pre-announcements is also risky, as competitors can gain market share with their new products.
So Sony competitors are forced to pre-announce vaporware in order to stave off A7 conquest sales. Who knows when the vaporware will actually be released?
Such competition is very beneficial to the consumer. It tends to keep products current, and prices competitive. As long as he can resist buying everything in sight, and duplicating his entire lens array all over again with every new model.
So, thanks, Sony!
Fuji has always pre-anounced there lens line? They released almost the entire current road map when the X-Pro 1 was released.
The A7 is good for competition but the lens road map update isn’t part of it IMO.
This is all well and good but when will we see a dedicated Fujifilm TTL off-camera cord or maybe even a thumb grip with flash contacts?
If Fujifilm want professional photographers to abandon their DSLR they must provide the accessories as well as the image quality.
Canon OC-2 flash cord works great with Fujis. I’d rather they keep their eye on the ball with great cameras and lenses than dedicated resources to me-too accessories.
The way I see it is:
April – X-Pro2, APS-C, weather sealed and weather sealed lenses
April – X200 (original x100 was introduced around April)
Early 2015 – new FF ILC range
This will give Fuji good start to FF (X200) and enough time to design FF lenses and have them ready for new FF ILC line. And Fuji will offer nice range of both APS-C and FF models.
When Fuji enters the FF MLC market I am sure they want to provide well designed FF lenses. After all one of the reasons I am not interested in the A7/A7r is that Sony has a bad track record for providing high quality optics, while Fuji has shown it knows how to do it. According to Steve Huff even the FE 24-70/4 OSS seems not to be so good. If you look at his site (stevehuffphoto.com) he shows that you can see in an official Sony sample image that the lens is soft in the upper left corner. The photo is likely taken with a preproduction lens, but it still does not increase my trust in Sony’s ability to create and produce high quality optics.
I guess we will more likely see:
January 2014 – weather sealed X-mount camera (new line)
January 2014 – cheaper X100s or X30 respectively
September 2014 – X200 Full Frame camera
September 2014 – announcement of organic sensor technology and development of
X-Pro2 (just as they did with X100)
January 2015 – X-Pro2 with APS-C organic sensor
If X200 FF turns out to be successful, Fujifilm might bring a new FF mount camera from design status to concrete production plans. Since this would take some time, I don’t expect such a camera before end of 2015 / beginning of 2016.
Hope the new midrange zoom is a 18-70mm f2.8. But I think it will turn out to be 16-50mm f2.8 instead. As for the longer zoom, maybe 50-135mm f2.8.
There’s no way the xpro 2 will not be FF.
My thought on this is that a FF X-Pro2 is extremely unlikely.
Is X-E2 is going to be the flagship for the next 12-18 months? do Fujifilm have the R&D and manufacturing capability to bring a whole new line of FF products in parallel with the X mount system? or would they call it a day with ASP-C and concentrate on FF, upsetting the established user base?
X-E2 does not look like a flagship product, the rumour/news was just posted that X-Pro1 production ceased and inventory is being cleared, and Fuji need a real flagship in the range a.s.a.p. The X mount lens range is far from complete and a new roadmap is expected soon, X200 looks increasingly likely in the next 12 months. A model to supersede the X20 must be high on the agenda? Organic is far from production ready, and Fuji need to work on refining the X-trans to eliminate the drawbacks. It looks like a very busy schedule to me already, I just don’t see how Fuji can be anywhere near ready to bring a FF ILC system to market any time soon.
Despite the claim that Fuji are going to compete on pixel quality rather than resolution I expect the next upper tier and flagship X to have more pixels. I’d guess and X-Pro2 first, then perhaps a new model between X-E2 and X-Pro2 that incorporates EVF and articulating LCD in the same unit? with the rest of the range being updated afterwards. Then perhaps organic (if organic does end up in production) debuting on the X-Pro3. Of course having made that prediction I expect Fuji will do many unexpected things and make my post look very silly 🙂
I think the XF 55-200 is a bit too large, heavy and dark at the long end for my taste. If it was possible to make a high quality XF 55-135/4 that was smaller and lighter than the 55-200 it would be more interesting to me. As of today my favorite lenses for the X-E2 are the 18-55 and the 14. Both have excellent optics and at the same time are fairly small and light.
Btw. Thank You Patrick for driving FR. It is a nice site with good information and beautiful pictures (thanks also to everyone who sent Patrick the nice pictures and stories behind).
A 55-135 f/4 stabilized zoom is in my dreams, too, along with a 135 f/2.8 (stabilized) prime lens.
55-135/4 OIS of course. 🙂
Some things keep coming back… FF, organic sensor, a lot of silence over the X-Pro2, also that the true ‘top of the range’ – whether it is FF or not – may not be there before the end of 2014 (Photokina, Cologne?).
Unfortunately, the competition is running very hard now, the Olympus E-M1, Sony A7 and Nikon FD could hurt the X-Pro1-sales very seriously with its 2 years old design now. Even the X-E2 is below par from what we could have expected as being a real update.
Let’s hope that the X-system is not losing its entire credibility and interest versus many more attractive offerings on the market.
Wonder how Fuji is dealing with that fact. I hope they have learned from the S-Pro-era, where they left a whole niche of profound believers alone in the dessert.
Or is the answer yet to come with still an organic X-Pro2, first Q of 2014 – more and more I tend to believe in that, though the timing looks a bit close. The weather-sealing let us indeed hope for something ‘big’ coming.
So then the X-Pro2 is going to have at least the same updates as XE2.
Maybe they increase to 24MP (same sensor as D7100).
FF X200 shouldn’t be a problem mechanically wise as we’ve already seen in the RX1.
Only hope they don’t make the f2.8 zoom not all too large.
This is the first I’ve read of the Fuji X-Trans sensors being manufactured by Sony. Are they designed by Fuji but manufactured by Sony? I thought that this was Fuji’s ace in the hole–APS-C sensors giving similar quality to the full frame sensors in other systems. I can attest first hand that they indeed do at least compared to some older sensor such as the 5D MkII. Any FACTS out there?
I think the X-Trans part is only the Colour Filter Array (CFA) and it could be used with any* sensor component. See this wikipedia page for a quick summary on CFAs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter
*maybe not Foveon, that would be weird 🙂
I think those talking (or more accurately desiring) of a full frame Fuji X w/interchangeable lenses are MISSING the point of everything the X-System stands for. Truly one doesn’t need anything more than the APS-C. As technology advances so will the sensor. It makes me wonder if those “desiring” a FF sensor are even shooting with their present X-camera. I seriously doubt it. The X-Trans sensor is amazing, and it will only get better over time. The size of the Fuji prime lenses are perfect–if anything I want them even smaller, NOT larger which I what will happen if the system goes full frame. Fuji is did not follow the crowd when creating the X-System, so why should they start now. As beautiful as the Sony A7(r) is, please notice that that small 35mm Zeiss lens IS an f/2.8. I it was an f/2 or an f/1.4 it would be huge just like Canon’s. they were “wise” to pick the aperture that was small enough to keep the “launch” lenses small too. But take a look at the pre-announced 70-200 f/4, it’s quite a beast. And I bet it’s not as compact or as sharp as Canon’s version (btw, I do NOT own Canons).
+100
The very reason I got rid of my FF gear for the X-series was to achieve near FF quality in a smaller form factor. I believe the X-series has checked those boxes already but they certainly can/will continue to improve.
I agree that the next steps for the X-Pro should be to make it a truly ‘pro’ body…look what Olympus has been able to do with their excellent OMD-series…I almost impulsively ordered an EM-1 with 12-40 but reconsidered when I thought about all the primes I’d want to get along with it…not to mention the awesome looking Panny GM1 as a second, portable body. Fuji, if you’re listening (and it seems you guys do) please give us the following:
– a weather/environment sealed pro body and a couple of matching lenses to go along with it. Please include slight resolution bump (20-24MP), PDAF/CDAF, IBIS, faster flash sync, a larger battery, vertical control grip option, in-camera USB charging, full manual video capabilities incl. mic & headphone inputs. Please also implement better wifi and keep the hybrid VF…I realize this would potentially result in a larger body but it’d still be smaller than FF DSLR’s and the lenses will still be smaller, especially those fast primes.
– on the opposite end of the spectrum, a small-as-can-be body ala the GM1 but unlike your current XM1, please offer the excellent build quality of the larger bodies and really go for the smallest footprint possible. Perhaps all-electronic shutter, also I’d take less buttons and a fixed touchscreen if it were appreciably smaller (wifi negates the need for tilt IMO). if panasonic can do it with M4/3, you guys can do it for APS-C…it’s not that much bigger of a sensor despite what some fanboys may say.
– improve the wifi functionality to include fully controllable remote w/features like interval shooting, real multi-exposure, etc. full-size preview/tagging of images from the camera prior to batch import would also be nice…I’d never have to lug my MacBook Pro on travel, just the iPad.
– continued line of excellent XF and cost-effective XC lenses. The rumored constant aperture 2.8’s with aperture rings would be awesome. Please also consider out-of-the-box ideas like perhaps a fast, collapsible prime (the 27mm is the right size but I wish it were at least a stop faster). A locking system like the X20 would make for a premium feel and be a nice companion lens to my previously wished for micro-body. I know there are physical limitations so perhaps that’s a pipe dream.
– feel free to test the FF market with a fixed lens body (X200, which I would certainly get) but really take the time to evaluate if it would make sense for your ILC strategy (Sony, Nikon and Canon can spread themselves out bc they have the resources -Fujifilm would be better off with a more singular, focused strategy). If your organic sensor tech is a true leap forward, I’d rather see an APS-C variant of that in the future so your already excellent line-up of lenses will remain relevant and thereby solidify your X-mount as one of the modern classics of lens mounts.
– a weather/environment sealed pro body and a couple of matching lenses to go along with it. Please include slight resolution bump (20-24MP), PDAF/CDAF, IBIS, faster flash sync, a larger battery, vertical control grip option, in-camera USB charging, full manual video capabilities incl. mic & headphone inputs. Please also implement better wifi and keep the hybrid VF…I realize this would potentially result in a larger body but it’d still be smaller than FF DSLR’s and the lenses will still be smaller, especially those fast primes.”
+100
I agree with everything on this list. I believe will, and should, stick to APS-C size sensor on their interchangeable line of cameras. Feel free to experiment with FF on fixed lens bodies. But APS-C technology is really coming along and the lenses right now are small, fast AND affordable!! No one wants to spend what Sony is requiring or carry the extra weight and size.
Fuji: here is what MOST users, I think, would LOVE to see in the next Xpro-2:
1. Weather sealing
2. 20-24MP (with similar or even BETTER low light performance)
3. PDAF/CDAF
4. IBIS!!
5. Better EVF (EM1 size and quality)
6. Wifi
7. Tilt screen
It would also be nice to see some quality firmware updates like “live exposure mode”, HDR options, etc.
+100
Fuji has achieved very good APS-C bodies and lenses, make great innovations like x-trans sensor & OVF/EVF, and there are still many possible improvements : IBIS, PDAF+CDAF, a larger and better EVF, etc.
I still cannot understand what is the point of the FF, and all this boring hype around Sony A7/A7R… it makes sense for people with old prime lenses maybe, that cannot affort a Leica, and that do not want autofocus (!). But for the majority of buyer, it means only big and expensive lenses, many not available today, and a “Full Frame / Big Boy” logo.
I really hope Fuji will stay focus on quality, continuous firmware upgrade, respect of lens roadmap, film simulation, and will not waste time and efforts to pointless “holy grail 35mm equivalent” road.
I agree with you hear. Before the X-Pro1, I would’ve never thought to get an APS-C sensor camera and when getting the X-Pro, I was worried about it. Once I tried it out, I was amazed. I thought the photos were as great as my 5Dii, and I felt it handled dynamic range better. I’d care more about improvements to the current sensors than seeing a FF one that I will have to reinvest in. The FF version better be a big upgrade or I will be upset.
Maybe I’m stating the obvious, but: if Fuji are really doing FF X200, is that a deliberate attempt to do the same that the Fuji GF670 does for analogue? To provide extremely high image quality, with a fixed lens (perhaps like the GF670 in a normal and wide version? Didn’t someone speculate on that earlier on FR?) I’m thinking that when you look at high quality medium format fixed lens cameras like the Mamiya 6/7, the GF670 and the foldable Voigtländer Bessa III – these seems to be long lasting type of camera, and though a bit of a niche market as analogue camera I think that it as an excellent route to take when going digital. It even suits quite a few professional shooters I am sure! Especially not artists who use a camera in their practice as documentation and/or final work! Ok, they are not truly rangefinders but I am sure many professional users are fine with digital split image and the like, especially as the gap between quality of EVF and OVF or prism finder shrinks constantly.
I’ve had similar thoughts about the FF X200—this is a camera that makes plenty of sense to me. The size will be about the same as the X-P plus 35 lens I would think, and the option of a few fixed length models (much like the 67 lines) would be a camera that I would love to own.
I also agree pretty completely with CGL re the (to me) needless desire to make the X-P series a larger camera—if not the body, then the body / lens system. For me, it’s a perfect balance of size v. IQ. When I look at the changes I want to see in the X-P line, IQ is really low on the list! If I needed substantially better quality, it would mean a move to Phase One, etc.
With the new lens roadmap, I believe that Fuji should also announce whether they are planning to release the X-Pro 2 and whether it will be APS-C or FF. While it is rare to announce upcoming cameras, I think it is now necessary, as many people who prefer the X-Pro series, like myself, are likely hesitant to buy new lenses for the system due to uncertainty about where they are going with their future cameras. They have definitely caused some confusion with the release of the X-E2 before the X-Pro 2, rumours about an X200 with a full frame sensor, and no sign of, or rumours about, an upcoming X-Pro 2.
If they drop their flagship camera, the X-Pro, and do not replace it with something similar in size and design, it would be a huge mistake. If they do so, unfortunately I may need to look elsewhere for future cameras, as the X-E series and below are too small for me. I chose Fuji for the image quality, but just as much for the design and feel of the X-Pro 1. An X-E2, though I am sure it is a nice camera, will not cut it for me, as it doesn’t feel as good in my hands as the X-Pro 1.
To those that justify dropping it due to the poor sales of the X-Pro 1, stop being silly: the X-Pro 1 did not sell well because it was released in beta-like form with serious issues (very poor AF and no raw support for over a year), which were not resolved for over a year, at which time the X-Pro 1 was dated. Thus, only those that truly loved the design and feel of the X-Pro 1, like myself, who had waited for those issues to be resolved since its release, have bought the camera since last Spring.
In my opinion, in early 2014, Fuji should release an APS-C sized X-Pro 2 with a brighter, larger EVF/OVF, a faster processor, to eliminate lag, a 24mp sensor, a hybrid AF system with excellent tracking capability, minimum shutter speed settings in auto ISO (should be in the X-Pro 1 as well: please hurry up with the firmware update because a lot of people, including myself, are annoyed with that), etc. If they announce that, or at least tell us that they will be releasing one around then, I will buy the 14mm, the 23mm, the 55-200mm, and the 56mm, as I would then know that I will continue with the system, as I am still satisfied, for the most part, with my X-Pro 1 (with minimum shutter speed settings in auto ISO I would be 98% satisfied).
After that, but not instead of that, they should also develop a high-end, X-Pro-like-designed, full frame camera with a set of fast primes (21mm, 50mm, and 85mm at release; and 35mm and 135mm soon after) for those enthusiasts and pros that demand higher image quality (full frame does provide higher image quality than APS-C, though APS-C is sufficient for most people’s needs) to be released near the end of 2014 or early to mid 2015. That can be their flagship model from then on, and the full frame lenses could be used on both full frame and APS-C, though they will be undoubtedly larger than the current lenses. The X200 with a full frame sensor is a great idea, and will sell well, but for many people a single focal length is too limiting. Thus, a full frame interchangeable-lens system should be released as well, which will compliment the existing system.
In conclusion, they should not drop the X-Pro series, as it is their flagship model, which, with all new features (even just the improvements in the X-E2 with a faster, brighter EVF/OVF), would be the best X-Series camera. If they are planning to go full frame with an interchangeable-lens system, they should still release an APS-C X-Pro 2 in early 2014, as there are many people waiting for that, and many who would prefer the size advantage of APS-C over the higher image quality, but larger, full frame version. In addition, if Fuji is planning to go full frame with the X-Pro 2, and that would not be released until the end of 2014 or early 2015, they should update the X-Pro 1 with the new features in the X-E2 and a brigher, larger EVF/OVF, as many people are not willing to wait for another year or year and a half for that.
I would still like to know the plans for the X30. I’d love the idea of a FF X200 sooner than later, but I’d still need a compact as small as possible, with a bigger sensor and a fixed fast ZOOM lens, that matches the X20, 100s and/or the XE2 overall experience. Though I wouldn’t compromise a viewfinder eg for that matter, I’m eager to hear of something along the line of a RX100 improved challenger.
so what happens to the x-trans pattern now?
it wasn’t rocket science that most of us figured fuji used sony sensor and slapped the x-tran pattern vs bayer. The benefit of x-trans is that it doesn’t have as much moire so it doesn’t need an aa-filter on top. The thing is sony and nikon (via sony) has produce products (nikon d7100 d5300, d800e, sony 7r) that don’t need aa-filter on 24 and 36mp sensor. Bayer pattern has more red and blue pattern I always thought the x-trans was more pale with more green. (1red and 1blue less but 2 green more on 6×6 grid times that up to 16mp). Once you leave 16mp you don’t need the x-trans pattern, and returning to an aa-filterless bayer you get more color from the blue and red.
I think the X-trans array has more advantages than just the reduction of moire. First, there’s a lot less chromatic noise, and to my eyes a more “film like” quality to images than I have gotten from previous digital cameras, FF or not. I shot film for over 30 years before starting to take digital seriously, and often wonder when I read similar notions of the X-trans IQ if they tend to be mainly from others that grew up with film.
chromatic noise maybe because x-trans is more muted with more green so u don’t have as much difference of r&b popping up. Why I see the fuji having more paler tone at times/ situation. film is like grain without no aa-filter it does give that affect. But newer nikon and sony have no aa-filter so under low light more grain noise may be seen. Also adding a lot of sharpening and clarity brings out film look in lightroom. I think fuji do have a tad different feel with x-trans. Overall color profile is still a sony sensor diode. I am very interested in the x-e2 (with the new pdAF hybrid of course) just waiting on the nikon DF and Sony A7 reviews, features and iq first. Did you see the camerastore review on the a7r 36mp without aa filter vs the 24 a7. Detail were better then he a7r or pixel peeper, like on d800e level.
Hi,
I would love to have a weather-sealed body, but would hate to rebuy lenses.
I know it’s always good to have choices, and I willingly bought the XP1 despite being not weather sealed. I had sealed cameras in the past and it is just lovely convenient. But now I’ve already heavily invested in lenses and latest in the 23mm lens (which is a real dream to use!).
So it will not kill me to have more choices, but I’ll have to say “Why the f*** you did it not sealed from the early beginning!” – if they plan to seal it, and it is not just a rumor 😉 .
Regarding FF: This would kill the form factor – therefore not for me. Thanks.
Regards,
Daniel
there i thought D800E was the first to use the 36MP FF sensor. must be some kind of big client special contract….
EDIT: D800 (non-e)
One thing that I’m curious about – Any particular reason why fuji (or any other manufacturer) couldn’t do a a mirror less leaf shutter system? – it would certainly bring fuji something different to the system and build upon what they’ve got going with the x100/s cameras.
Cost of lenses might be an issue but perhaps, the x100/s (+future x200) proves that it is possible to build leaf shutters relatively cheaply?
Xpro2 -> all of X-E2 features, weather sealed, leaf shutter, IBIS + slight bump in either ISO or resolution 🙂
Refer to the rumored X200 fixed lens camera. Would propose the lens be:-
1) a focal length of 42mm (something in between 35mm and 50mm). Not too wide and not too narrow. Preferably, the FOV of our eyes i.e. 42mm. And also to differentiate itself from RX1.
2) A faster lens f1.6. (faster than RX1). Also, more considerable bokeh.
As such, a X200 fixed lens 42mm f1.6 FF camera, something different than in the market, would be great. Hope Fuji is listening.
Dream X200 spec: slightly bigger than X100, fast autofocus, full frame X-Trans, 40mm f/2 fixed lens, 24mm & 70mm converter
I would rather that Fuji concentrated on expanding the existing aps-c range than introduce full frame – keep the size advantage that the x cameras give, and give the flexibility that Canon & Nikon DSLRs have.
Wish list:
24 mpx X PRO 2.
XF ultrawide, (around 10mm)
Wide aperture 200mm
300mm fixed
500mm fixed ( or maybe a long zoom)
A couple of tilt-shift lenses
120mm macro
Leica film cameras are full frame with a small body and lenses. Take out the film cassette and winding mechanism and there is more than enough room for the electronics. That would work for me