I got an email from our beloved trusted Japanese source. It simply said:
“Patrick, you better add weather sealing to your X-PRO2 specs list!”
And so I did 😉
I have NO rumors about it, but I can’t stop thinking that the 35mmF2 WR (scheduled to come in November according to this roadmap) would be the perfect kit lens for a weather sealed X-PRO2.
And the weather sealing? Is it a gimmick or must have? There is a debate about it over at the FXF! Take a look here and feel free to share your opinion, too.
My X-E2 under the rain – Shared here at the FXF
(TS= trusted source / NeS =New Source / AS = Anonymous Source / SRP = source who was right in the past / OS = other sites)
– APS-C sensor (TS + AS + AS)
– 24MP sensor (AS) – More than 16MP (AS)
– 1/8000 of a second mechanical shutter speed (TS)
– Sync Speed faster than 1/180th (SRP)
– dual SD card slot (NeS)
– coming late 2015 (TS + AS)
– weather sealed (TS)
– Two X-PRO2 version, one 24MP APS-C and one 25-27 MP ASP-X, compatible with XF/XC lenses (OS)
– coming September / October (OS + OS)
– tilt screen (AS)
– WiFi (AS)
– Non organic ASP-C X-Trans sensor (OS)
– Price about 20% to 30% more expensive than the X-T1 (AS)
– 4K video (TS + NeS)
– Faster Processor EXR III (TS)
– smaller than X-PRO1 (OS)
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What uses would the new Fuji APS-C sensor be best suited for and what would the new Fuji ASP-X sensor be best suited for?
the Fuji APS-C sensor is optimized for food photography, selfies and shots of playing dogs in the garden. Make sure you’ve read the manual before you take shots of anything else.
You forgot snapshots of regular people on the street, often called ”street photography” and pictures of wild exotic strangers from distant countries, living in their natural habitat.
As a hardcore Fuji fan, I still have to say, “ZING!”
Maybe it’s a different aspect ratio, like that new Panasonic whose name I can’t remember.
I said it before and I say it again, XPRO2 will have weathersealing and tilting screen, X-E3 will be poor mans version of X-PRO2, like X-T10 is poor mans version of X-T1
Not making it weather resistant would have been a recipe for disaster.
A Pro successor without weather sealing given the X-T1 with weather sealing would have no credibility. Therefore it is not a rumor, but true!
yes, quite normal actually to release a pro “WR” body.. but so many new features and testing that i am almost sure we have to wait 2016 to see the new body 😉
Seriously
XPRO-2 must be top notch beating the competition, otherwise -due to extremely high expectations- disaster will follow.
There are three new futures that I would welcome a lot:
1. larger & sharper digital viewfinder (x-t1 size) + larger optical viewfinder
2. weather sealing
3. dual card slot
I just managed to get a copy of the original message:
Konnichiwa Patrick, Honourable Fuji friend
You add now waether ceeling to list of X-PRO 2-camera to dignify The Mighty Emperor of Nihon.
PS. You have to throw more noodles on CanNikon DSLR!
Sayōnara/ Shigetaka Komori
Nice metaphor! 🙂
I will buy this immediately as long as it has the following features:
Wifi
weather sealing
Better grip
Xt1 evf
Just take my money Fuji.
I don’t care if it’s weather sealed but i DO care if it’s another x-trans artifactor. Please, try something new, Fuji.
Patrick, I noticed in your list of rumored specs, the 24 mp sensor only comes from an Anonymous Source. Interesting that none of the Trusted Sources have confirmed that one. It makes me wonder if that’s still not final.
24-28 MP sensor is maximum for APS-C, performancewise.
This is what we can expect, although not confirmed as you said.
Seems to me they buy the sensors from Sony, but with a long time lag, so it will either be 16 or 24, unless they do a deal with Samsung.
more likely (than samsung) is, that they succeeded making their organic sensor with panasonic and TowerJazz is already producing it.
Still, the Sony part is the most likely, but then I’d say the D7200 sensor is the way to go (not A6000!!!!)
None of these rumors explains why this website reported Fuji cancelled the X-Pro1s in favor of accelerating development on the X-Pro2. There was supposed to be a new technology that motivated this, leading a number of readers (myself included) to suspect the organic sensor was the cause. Instead, the rumors explicitly exclude the organic sensor, whereas Panasonic is rumored to be releasing a camera with the organic sensor later this year, or at least announcing it.
What on earth is this new technology, then? All these other rumors are okay, ho-hum, yes it’s nice and all that, but what is so jaw-droopingly awesome that Fuji cancelled the Pro1s, so that well over a year has passed?
Well I guess 24MP is new to Fuji, probably the same sensor from the A6000 with X-Trans added on. The Pro1s would have had a 16MP sensor.
Personally I think there’s more call for an X-T2 than an X-P2, so I expect the P2 may never happen.
I think only people who like a DSLR design would agree with your second statement.
No, it’s a simple fact that the X-T1 is the only one of Fuji’s interchangeable lens bodies that has actually been significantly profitable and it’s why it’s the one most commonly kept in high stock in shops. Conversely, the Pro1 has been something of a failure when it comes to the general marketplace. There being more demand for an X-T2 than an X-Pro2 is what sales actually suggests.
Well….the xpro 1 wasn’t the best camera…it took alot of fw updates. It’s still not anywhere near the xt1. A x pro 2 that is technologically more advanced and faster vs the xt1 I’m sure will sell very well. It will not have the teething problems of the xpro 1. The xpro 2 needs an extremely advance ovf though. Atleast 14mm without lenes,24/ 35mm first lens, 35/50mm second, 50/85mm third, 85/135 forth ,135 fifth. I don’t know if it’s possible though with an evf.
That’s not why the Pro1 hasn’t sold well and the T1 has. The simple fact is that SLR-styled form factor is more popular. The pre-orders for the T10 and the lack of market interest in the E line support this. (Though of course we can’t yet know if the T10 will continue to sell well after the initial launch or if it will drop off like the E2.) The X100 series is the only one of Fuji’s rangefinder-look-a-like cameras which has done well on the highstreet.
Which is not to say that the Pro2 can’t be popular. It could be, easily. The marketplace can be very fickle, and another unit with that body style could be the tipping point, regardless of its specification. But, to date, the actual sales of the existing cameras very firmly suggests that a T2 would sell better than a Pro2 and the T1 is, by a very long way, far more popular than the Pro1.
I agree. And I even look forward to it. It’s cool to see a company like Fuji to produce a surely awesome rangefinder camera exactly despite the fact that everybody already expects that it won’t sell like hot cookies, or a slightly modified X-T2.
Isn’t that true compassion? Still, we all hope that Fuji won’t go bankrupt because of the X-pro2. But seriously the X-pro2 will be designed with the geeks in mind, it’s not supposed to be a Joe Blow’s type of camera. So, yeah, higher the price, keep it out of range of people who just talk about it anyway and leave it to those who can cherish this type of camera.
The X-Pro1 is not a rangefinder…wish people would stop saying this. Anyone who has used a REAL rangefinder knows the difference. The only thing it shares in common with a rangefinder is the asthetic look….and an optical viewfinder.
Yes, the x-pro1 greatest deficit is not being able to use manual focus in OVF-mode. There is no digital overlay in the OVF that facilitates focus control.
I hope this will be solved in the x-pro2.
Still, it’s a rangefinder, because the definition of rangefinder does not include a specific kind of focus assist system.
So, a Leica, a Fuji GW690 or even a little Rollei 35 SE are all rangefinders, although they use very different kinds of focussing systems.
What do you think?
Completely disagree…..the reason the X-Pro1 didn’t sell well has nothing to do with it ‘not looking like a DSLR’…by that logic Sony’s A7 would have been a failure. In fact, it was the design of the X-Pro1 that created all the initial buzz. The reason the X-Pro didn’t sell well is it A)was very expensive upon release, and B) had a LOT of shortcomings that were only partially resolved in FW updates.
The A7 looks like an SLR. It has a big grip on the side and a hump in the middle. People see that outline and they’re familiar with it and they buy it. The A7 has also out-performed the X-Pro1 on the highstreet. Your own example is, in fact, proving your position wrong.
And no, you’re simply wrong. You’re factually wrong. It’s not something which can be disagreed with; the Fuji rangefinder-look-a-likes have all failed to make anywhere near as much of an impact on the highstreet as they have needed to, while the DSLR-look-a-likes have over-performed in that regard. The closest thing to an exception is the X100 line, which under-sold to begin with, then over-performed with the X100S, and now has settled down to simply decent sales with the X100T. The only “buzz” about the X-Pro1’s design was on enthusiast websites where people were hoping for a budget-price Leica. Your typical consumer didn’t know it existed until it was on the shelves infront of them. In fact, your typical consumer still doesn’t know it exists because shops threw it out as soon as the honeymoon launch period was over, in favour of the Sony systems and the X100 which do sell.
The X-T1 is the most expensive Fuji camera there is, and it’s the best-selling. Your average consumer doesn’t know what firmware is. These are not reasons why the X-Pro1 failed as a product. The X-Pro1 was too expensive to manufacture at first, making it too expensive for shops to stock in large numbers, reducing both profit per unit and margins across the model regardless of the price to the consumer. Even then, shops have had a hard time selling the units they did buy in; even with limited stock, the X-Pro1 hasn’t flown off shelves. At its recent street price point of £700, shops are looking at about £20 profit on each X-Pro1 body they sell. Fuji itself isn’t making anything from the X-Pro1 anymore. The X-E1 was in an even more sorry state and the X-E2 did better but only just enough to break even.
The X100S and X-T1 are, categorically, the only Fuji cameras which have been profitable enough for shops to keep them in high stock, with the X100T doing just about well enough to replace the X100S, though since sales of that actually are lower it could be argued that simply maintaining the X100S would have been a more financially sound move.
As I’ve said elsewhere, if you have an X-Pro1 or if you’re thinking of buying one or an X-Pro2 or an X-E1 or E2 or whatever, that’s fine. If you like those cameras, good for you. Nobody is coming to take them away from you. Their honour does not need defending. Up until using the X-T10 myself, and the price turning out to match the X-E2, I was strongly advocating people just buying X-E2s instead. My own Fuji collection began with an X100. If I coudl get the X-T1’s tilt screen on a Pro body, that is the camera I would choose to use myself. I am not saying these are bad cameras or that they should not be bought or that they should not be made again. But if you think, for one second, that they are anywhere near as viable on the marketplace as the T line and other SLR-form bodies, you are simply delusional. There is a gargantuan difference between what is popular on brand-specific enthusiast sites and what is actually selling on the highstreet, and why it is or isn’t selling.
Holy rambling post Batman. I can’t even be bothered to read everything you said to know whether it is worth arguing about.
Here’s the short version: you’re wrong, across the board. Categorically wrong. In every way.
Confucius says….just because you say it is so…does not make it so.
I already explained everything, fully. Your choice not to take it in.
Yes, you explained your opinion. Maybe I should explain to you the difference between opinions and facts.
I did not explain my opinion. I explained the actual, factual reality of the market, as supported by industry professionals and even Fuji’s own staff. You’re the one who does not like that their tastes don’t line up with the state of the market.
If you took grade 8 science you would understand that in order to be considered a ‘fact’ you need to provide evidence. Now scurry away and round up some evidence if you like, since I know you want the last word.
I didn’t take ‘grade 8’ science, as the grade system isn’t used in this country.
Anyway. That doesn’t work. You’re on a rumours site. Fuji Rumours. The clue is in the name. The entire website you are on operates on the basis that certain people are privy to things which are not simply thrown out on Wikipedia or sat on a Geocities page.
I talk to people. Remember conversations? Remember when we talked to people in person or via a telephone? Yes, those things. No, conversations do not provide a URL to copy & paste. No, when I’m having coffee with writers from Digital Photo and Practical Photography, I don’t stick a GoPro on the table and upload it to YouTube. When I phone up friends in Fuji’s EU marketing, I don’t liveblog everything we say to Tumblr. If I were to make records, if I were to name names, people would start losing jobs and my group of contacts would begin to thin out very quickly indeed.
I have my contacts, my sources and my friends. This site has its sources and contacts and friends. Some of those are the same people, some aren’t. I can relate facts to you—facts, not opinions, because anybody who pays attention knows my own tastes also clash with the facts—but it is entirely up to you whether you accept those facts or whether you’d rather choose ignorance. No, I do not have a handy link to paste here. I do not claim to, nor ever have. I have always and will always be up front about the fact that, due to the nature of the business and how I get my information, I can’t start sharing business e-mails around, citing names or provide detailed records of everything I hear.
… But if you don’t like that, well, you’re on the wrong site. Fuji Rumours, Canon Rumours, Nikon Rumours, Photo Rumours, Fleetwood Mac’s Rumours, in any instance, if you take issue with the idea that something somebody says might be right and you immediately cry foul, you probably shouldn’t be reading anything on these sites, either.
As I said before, I’ve provided all the information possible to provide, it’s entirely on yourself to read it.
(Though, as it so happens, if you do want to verify what sells and what doesn’t, walk into your nearest store and ask the manager how many X-T1 units they have in stock and when the last time they bothered to order in the X-Pro1 was.)
You’re telling me a lot but you’re saying nothing.
Which just lends the impression that your reading comprehension is below that of an 10-year-old’s.
That’s a compliment since I am only 7.
Lets not forget that the XPro-1 opened the way for everything that followed. Yes it was somewhat flowed, but it was (and still is) a damn good camera. Would fuji not have developed the XPro1, there would be no XE, XM or XT cameras, and none of the lenses we enjoy now. I do not call what the XPro-1 brought us all a failure, but rather a huge success for Fuji, and a source of great enjoyment and satisfaction for most people on FR.
No, it has been a sales failure. Categorically. A product which doesn’t succeed in the marketplace is not, in any way, redeemed by the notion that later models wouldn’t exist without it. Apple computers and products being popular now does not excuse the early Apple PCs from being total garbage.
Every other ILC Fuji makes has out-sold the Pro1, and of those, only the T1—the model least like the Pro1—sells consistently enough for shops to bother keeping it stocked up. There are no two ways about it; the X-T1 is Fuji’s only ILC which can sincerely called a success. Pre-order numbers for the X-T10 suggest that will also do well enough to be successful, though obviously it is too early to know if public interest will sustain over time or if it’s just an initial spike.
Now, that does not invalidate any purchases you may have made and it does not mean you are, in any way, not allowed to like the X-Pro1. You can like it, you can use it, you can own ten of them if you like. That’s all fine. Just don’t pretend that your appreciation for a product reflects the global marketplace at large.
There is more to “new technology” than simply an organic sensor.
And remember, they’re rumours. Nothing is ever “explicitly” included or excluded. Literally every single one of these rumour points could easily be wrong*. That’s why they’re rumours.
*Though as it happens, one of them absolutely certainly is not wrong.
That’s actually my point: to repeat what on earth is that new technology? Or was it just a false rumor? My comment an observation, that’s all, not a criticism.
Ok @least $6000.= and I’m gone….. I’m waiting ……zzzzz.
“Artifactor”….LOL.
This list of features for X-Pro2 are ok, but yet nothing excating for me. I want to know first what sensor X-Pro2 will have – if it’s related to X-Trans2 than no way I will buy it.
What I need in X-Pro2 to pay $1700 for the body is:
* New sensor (no X-Trans2 related) 24MP
* Bigger EVF
* Really good control layout:including:
* 4 Fn buttons (one at front near lens mount)
* Iso button on top near shutter release button
* 3 Custom Function modes
* Front and back dial
* Seperated AF-L and AE-L button (AF-L customizable for AF-ON)
* All buttons on the right side of LCD (tilt)
* Sillent mode
* -3EV for easy focusing in low light
* AF Zone with very good tracking
* Absolutely clean 6400iso
* Improved DR for 1600-6400iso
* ND filters
* -/+ 5 NR with NR Off
Would be really nice to have also:
* TIFF 16bit file saving in camera RAW converter
and soon more small f/2 WR primes like 23/2, 55/2 and 16/2
X-Pro2 will have serious competitor in coming “high end” Sony A7000, I would not also omit Panasonic GX-8, and coming new Olympus RF type for street shooters.
I keep fingers crossed for X-Pro2 to win in the battle.
Please, no ISO dial at the top. It’s unaesthetic and ISO set per Fn is faster.
Looks like you’re not buying an x-pro2. No fullframe camera has absolutely clean iso6400 and why the hell would an interchangeable lens camera have a built in ND filter you dope?
He’s been posting this list for months. People tell George the same thing, but he’s relentless 😀
This is a totally doable list. Only thing is – not sure how clean the ISO 6400 will be. Otherwise, this should be ready this fall.
Sounds like what you actually want is a Sony or Nikon from 5 years in the future.
loool
I want a lens that’s 10mm-200mm f/2.8 But is that ever going to happen? heck no. it’s not even possible. What you’re asking for is impossible. lol.
I would add 1/8000 shutter; but I’m on your side. As an X-E2 shooter, I keep wondering whether I should buy an x-pro2 if it has no ibis because it seems kind of inevitable Fuji will introduce it at some point given market pressure. Even if it was only good for 2 stops (in reality). It would make shooting my 56 in a dimly lit pub so much easier.
The introduction of IBIS by Fuji is far from inevitable, the only market pressure for its introduction is coming from those who do not understand either its drawbacks or limitations, particularly when used with very wide aperture lenses and/or those over 100 mm in focal length.
Yes, because I always use my wide aperture lenses at their widest apertures… and I always use my zooms at over 100mm (no primes over 100mm so far, you see).
It’s the silliest argument ever – does not work perfectly, so let’s not implement it at all 🙂
Fuji’s own staff literally laugh at the idea of IBIS if you ever mention it to them. Of all features people suggest, it is by far—by far—the least likely to ever happen. You might as well be asking for a hotshoe-mounted cup holder.
(And as it so happens, the only things they actually feel under pressure about is the growing size of their lenses, which they can’t do much about, and their prices, which they can’t afford to lower until they take up more of the market.)
That’s interesting. Can’t have everything I suppose.
With that said, the guy who commented underneath you is being a bit arrogant I think. When I started around three years ago, the first prime I bought was the Sony 35 1.8 OSS. The stabilisation really increased the shooting envelope. I often wonder what I could achieve with a stabilised prime now (someone stole that lens on a Nex-6 six months after I got it).
Yay, mushy buttons!
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That budgie sniffed up the milk powder 🙂
meanwhile sugru demand has suddenly increased
No more detail smearing, skinny waxtones, mushy greens ! Better algorithms for these issues are needed.
Fuji should also cooperate with Adobe to further optimise ACR/LIGHTROOM’s external Raw converter for better demosaicing and ship the X-PRO2 together with that new LIGHTROOM. No more Silkypix anymore, please.
ACR/Lightroom has never been great at converting most files, whether it be Canon/Nikon or Fuji files. I would prefer them to provide their own bare-bones converter (not Silkypix). Definitely not Lightroom.
That’s the most obvious revelation so far 🙂
Did any source already tell you that the X-Pro2 will be an ILC? ;-D
The smaller than X-Pro1 has me worried. The weather sealing is to be expected and more reason to not shrink the camera since users are 3going to want to use the camera in climates that require wearing gloves. The XT-1 buttons body size and buttons are too small.
Hmmmm what do you think the chances are of Fuji using the BSI 28mp Samsung sensor? Mean it is the newest and most advanced sensor out. Nothing says they need to use a Sony sensor.
Do samsung sell their sensors to other manufacturers like sony do?
Yeah, half of an iPhone is Samsung tech in most cases. I can’t name a camera with a Samsung sensor in it though.Llike Sony, their semi conductor line is a different division. I would actually prefer the 28mp sensor vs the 24. Not because of more MP, but it’s just a better sensor overall.
Probably chances close to zero… Samsung is trying to make a reputation by using proprietary technology, so I can’t imagine them selling their key differentiator to a direct competitor: what would they have left?
Sony is playing more on the full frame for their flagship image and anyway they almost never sell their latest sensor before having commercialized it themselves for quite some time.
That is very untrue about them using it first. Nikon in some cases has used one well before Sony. Usually exactly a year after nikon has used that sensor Sony/whom ever uses it. So I think they have a 1year non compete.
LOL my concern is not whether or not it’s weather sealed – more about the existence.
Agreed! I was wondering if I was the only one here who questioned whether or not an X-Pro2 was even coming….personally I gave up on it and moved on.
WR was obvious. The biggest concern I have about the X-Pro2 is that Fuji will shoot itself in the foot by letting it be the “pro” body.
It seems clear that a lot of people prefer the X-T1 ergonomics and dial layout to that of the X-Pro1. If Fuji makes the Pro2 the top of the line by giving it a new sensor (and the highest price tag) there will be many people complaining. Assuming Fuji won’t add an ISO and drive dial, won’t manage to squeeze in the huge EVF and will choose not to add a tilting screen (my guess) many T1 users will stay away from buying the Pro2 but will be angry that they are stuck with the old sensor.
I still believe that the best way to update a camera lineup is to update all the pro models at once every two years. This gives them all the same tech and simply let’s you choose between form factors. In between release firmware updates, lesser bodies (like T10 and E3) and lenses. And it gives pros a better way to calculate purchases if they know when a new model is arriving.
Oh – and Fuji – don’t price the Pro2 much higher than the T1. Anything over 200€ more than the T1 would not be justifiable, there’s hardly any difference in parts.
I think the reason the XT1 was more successful than the X-Pro1 has more to do with AF performance than ‘ergonomics and button layout’.
Yep, that’s what I thought too until some time ago. Now I think that both play their part in the XT1’s success.
Check my comment history and you’ll find a lengthy discussion about it where AceFibble had some pretty convincing reasons that the form factor does indeed play a substantial role in the success.
I guess we’ll only know for sure after the X-Pro2 comes out.
I agree. I like the 2 dial setup right now. You know what though, I would probably like another scroll wheel on the front. Not sure how it would look, but if it was fully customizable it might be neat. Like, scroll for drive and push in then scroll for ISO (or whatever you’d want to use it for). I’m fine with the Fn button for ISO, but another scroll wheel couldn’t hurt, as long as it’s maybe metal and firm like the top dials (yeah right, but I can wish).
No 24 MP Fuji X as it seems, for this year.
No 24 MP Fuji X as it seems, for this year.
why does Fuji keep releasing numerous camera bodies in a short period of time? Why can’t they Make “Flagship” Camera bodies and release them in a timely manner? I can’t keep up with their technological advancements…
This.
What started as the X-100, and an interchangeable X-Pro 1 – has now becoming a continuous release of different models, updates and refreshes. Surely this isn’t profitable? Why not keep the X-series focussed and iconic.
weather sealing is a must have. specially for countries that rains a lot. ive been to a lot of vacation where i found myself leaving my camera in the car because it was raining really hard. where as when i had my olympus omd em5, i was shooting away even when we were running around in an atv on a very rainy day.. i do hope the next x100 is going to be weather sealed