Let’s start the week with a fresh rumor update coming from our top Japanese source. The source contacted me this weekend to let us know that:
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Fuji indeed plans to launch a 4K capable X-PRO2
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The Fujifilm X-PRO2 will feature a new and faster processor (EXR III)
We know from Fuji engineers here that X-TRANS sensor requires a lot processing power when shooting video. The current EXR II processor apparently has some difficulties to calculate all the video-data, and this is a reason why the huge advantage of the X-Trans sensor to mitigate moiree in stills doesn’t apply to video. A new and faster EXR III processor could help to sort out this issue.
A couple of days ago I asked over at the FR-facebook page here, if you are excited about the possible 4K capability of the X-PRO2… well, maybe some of you might be surprised with what the majority of followers answered. Check it out here.
stay tuned,
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(TS= trusted source / NeS =New Source / AS = Anonymous Source / SRP = source who was right in the past / OS = other sites)
– APS-C sensor (TS + AS + AS)
– 24MP sensor (AS) – More than 16MP (AS)
– dual SD card slot (NeS)
– coming late 2015 (TS + AS)
– coming September / October (OS + OS)
– tilt screen (AS)
– WiFi (AS)
– Non organic ASP-C X-Trans sensor (ORS)
– Price about 20% to 30% more expensive than the X-T1 (AS)
– 4K video (TS + NeS)
– Faster Processor EXR III (TS)
Are you excited about 4K in the X-PRO2?
139 Responses
It is nice to see the 4K video confirmed by a trusted source, but I can’t imagine a new processor is any surprise; if the X-Pro2 will indeed have “new technology” (Fuji CTO interview, a year ago?) then it needs a new processor, the same way the X-E2 etc. needed it once phase detect pixels appeared on camera.
yes please! but usable please unlike the video in fujis now… lets kick gh4’s ass! thank you! 😉
Great news !
Does anyone actually care for video in these camera’s..Eh very few
Not me. And whenever I choose to use video (once a year?), I use a setting of max 720, never higher.
I checked the different between 720, 1080 and 4k and there are definitely more pixels in 4k.
Ofcourse you can see a difference ;), but who needs 4K? By the way, I don’t (or hardly) see any difference on my tv between 720 and 1080.
People in the near future
I do
Video is essential. I am more than happy with fuji’s stills quality but it’s video is sorely lacking. Better video will give it more of a chance to compete with the bigger guns in the industry.
Not once have I ever stopped and taken video on this style of camera. They should keep it as a stills unit.
Great. There’s a feature im going to be paying for that I’ll never use.
There is a bunch of idiots
a) thinking what they will be getting out of a camera labeled 4K is going to be actual 4K, and
b) thinking they actually need 4k for whatever it is they intend to shoot
A large portion of those idiots would never have considered a Fuji camera without it in the first place who are now going to buy this camera, thus financing a whole lot R&D for photgraphy-related features you are actually going to use. Plus, the 4K feature is non-obtrusive and won’t get in your way when shooting stills.
So for you, 4K is essentially great news. And you’re not paying for it, it is paying for you.
The sad part, though, is that for those people who would actually like to use the X system cameras for shooting high quality video (for instance because of the lenses, or because they work on both stills and video for advertising, travel, wedding or similar), it means that Fujifilm didn’t focus on actual video quality, but on specs that are easy to market to gearheads, or that they simply looked at what the competition in the photo area was doing (SLRs, Sony/Panasonic mirrorless line) instead of looking at quality milestones in the video area (like the now slightly dated Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera) or thinking on their own and doing what makes actual sense from a creative point of view (HD in ProRes 10-bit log, dynamic range, higher frame rates instead ultra high resolution, great ISO performance).
4K doesn’t mean no “HD in ProRes 10-bit log, dynamic range, higher frame rates instead ultra high resolution, great ISO performance”…
Actually, it only means Fuji want to improve video on X-Pro2. I hope 4K isn’t the main improvement. (I don’t care about 4K, I prefer a better Full-HD than crappy 4K).
I see it as an indication that they are trying to compete in the “my cellphone has 4K” market, meaning for instance they would prefer resolution over framerate and so on. I can’t imagine they will be able to shoot actual full quality 4K in ProRes 10-bit log with that tiny processor. That would put them in Red/Arri Alexa territory, frame rates and ergonomic issues aside, and that sounds unrealistic for a first foray into video. But I’d imagine the level of the Blackmagic Pocket would have been a realistic target.
4K might not have full quality, but Full-HD ? Maybe…
Fingers crossed. Would be about time that somebody finally got it right, and I’d love for Fuji to be that company. Canon has led the market for way too long with their intentionally crippled video features trying to protect overpriced camcorders and everybody mostly just kind of following to catch up, and I don’t think the industry has fully overcome that state yet.
If more folks buy the camera, Fuji will quickly make better and better cameras and more lenses. Many Pro photographers need to shoot video clips for clients sometimes.
Without pro video Fuji X will struggle. They know this, hence the push for video capability.
1080p is Pro Video! less than 1% of TV owners are able to view 4K
Right not but in 3 years that won’t be the case, may as well get ready for it now.
I’m to busy getting ready for THE END DAYS
Do you honestly think that the camera will get any cheaper if the exclude the video? $1799 is a given.
Lets see the X-Pro-2 now confined to theX-Files along with the abominable snowman, the Loch NessMonster, Bigfoot and Area 51. At least it keeps us Fuji users talking though.
More excited about a beefed up processor for the improvements in still shooting. Theoretically would increase phase/contrast detect calculations for faster focusing. Better subject tracking. Faster face recognition. If teamed with a bigger/faster buffer (likely) faster/longer burst modes. etc
Fine with or without. I have never shot one second of video. However, if it helps them sell cameras then I am all for it. I just won’t be using it.
cost 20%-30% more?…like Sony A7 II IBIS (full frame and stabilized??)
well done fuji, we have to wait….wait…and pay more more for “standard” technology since 2014
you can buy a Sony A7ii now if you want.
There are reasons for using a Fuji – reading this site it seems whining is the most important one…
Well said !
you’re missing the point and just grumbling because you backed the wrong horse.
People want Fuji to succeed, they have made some awesome cameras over their many years in photography. Awesome films too. A lot of people have likely switched to Sony for the IBIS, the lenses, the better sensor, the full frame etc etc, but that doesn’t mean we don’t want Fuji to come roaring back into the market with a competitive camera. We all have fingers crossed that Fuji don’t screw it up by wasting time on video and get the basics right, good sensor, even if it is small, competitive focus, lots of enthusiast features, plenty of accessories to make it a system. They aren’t going to put IS into the body, that eats their profit, it means the lenses would be cheaper and rather than pay for IS once, Fuji clearly want people to pay for it over and over and the lens collection grows. I don’t mind that, cost isn’t really a factor within a reasonable band. Fuji need to deliver on availability (why so late to market) and quality, good sensor – preferably not the Xtrans because that pushes people to use JPG which defeats most of the point of buying this camera over something half its price. the X-PRO2 has to be smaller, lighter, as fast as a DSLR and have some killer new feature to justify its existence over the Sony range. Otherwise for that same price why wouldn’t I get the better sensor? Apart from people heavily invested in Fuji lenses it makes no sense, it really is a hipster buy at that point, a purchase based only on how it looks around your neck. And that would be a real shame for such a wonderful photographic company to have come to that.
I am a very happy Fuji user, see my other comments. I suggest everyone who is unhappy to sell their lenses for nothing to me (since the system is so bad, you probably think they are worth ittle), and go over the Sony. Oh, and we will welcome back as soon as Sony changes their strategy again (next week possibly? or yesterday? or tomorrow?).
I have fuji, Leica M9 and Sony A7r&A7s. I love each camera, leica for its awesome lens, fuji for retro-style and small lens (…) and Sony for advance technology, more mpx and awesome DR. I continue to say my opinions as you can use Fuji only.
If I may suggest something. As you are so unhappy with Fuji why don’t you change your nickname to ex-FujiUser and go directly to the SonyRumors web site ? That should put you out of your current misery and a smile back on your face.
As a Fuji AND Sony user, why don’t you go all crazy and go 100% Sony? Same whining all over again…
For my type of shooting I would go back to the X100 platform (on XT1 now) if these guts were in it. Sans the 4K that is useless.
i hope Fuji could put utmost priority on improving AF to DSLR speed and develop sensor image stabilization.
Faster processor, faster AF ?
Seems likely, this is my hope anyway
Certainly hope so, as well
sensor image stabilization is very very unlikely. They’ve put a lot of efforts in the in lens OIS
I’d like to see IBIS too. Shooting stabilized Fujinon primes would be awesome. I doubt the X-Pro2 will have IBIS, but I could be wrong. Who knows.
If you step back and get a 30,000ft view, IBIS will probably make it into the Fuji cameras at some point. Olympus, Panasonic (GX7), and now Sony have IBIS technology. Those manufacturers will only improve on it and put it in more bodies. At some point Fuji will need to do the same to offer competitive bodies.
Pana GX7 sensor shift stabilization is not the same as IBIS, and it shows limitations both for image composition and video shooting.
Besides Pana also put stabilization in lenses, I tend to agree with Didiergm when he considers unlikely that Fuji follows this path.
About 4K, Fuji officials interviews don’t point to such a move in the near term, and those opines were given just some weeks ago when X-Pro2 were well defined for sure.
But more important than video for a camera this kind would be DR and high ISO performance, together with AF speed and reliability of range focusing information.
Nitpicking on the GX7. Panasonic refers to it as “In-Camera Stabilization.” It may show its limitations, but they’re a little behind Olympus.
I still hold to my big picture thesis, my “30,000ft view.” It may not come in the X-Pro2, but at some point I think Fuji will develop and integrate some form of in camera stabilization into their bodies.
Keep in mind, Sony developed OIS too, but they also developed a method of integrating the two in the A7 II.
I don’t exclude it at all either as manufacturers tend to find trends when they see it’s a way to make money and don’t loose market share, but for the moment (and I’d say in the medium term) it’s not likely, and namely for X-Pro2.
“In.Camera Stabilization” it’s not the same as IBIS as this means a 5 axis system, different from the sensor shift they use.
Anyway, this is more important for video than useful for stills and Fuji is far from being a leading competitor in the video side.
Again, you’re just nitpicking. My thesis remains.
Ok, you’re absolutely entitled to stick with your thesis and to consider that who doesn’t agree with it is just nitpicking as the number of axis and other limitations don’t matter at all for the case.
Wasn’t it just last week when a Fuji official enumerated their priorities? For those who missed it over on DPR: better AF, higher resolution sensor, and video.
I get asked a lot these days to shoot video for someone, and I usually decline – because it’s not one of my fortes and because I likely couldn’t do it properly with the X-Pro1 anyway. So, this is definitely not a major thing for me. But if it makes video better to a level that you can actually do something decent, then it might make me learn how to shoot better video so I won’t have to decline everyone anymore.
Not at all surprised with the FB negative response to video. I hope Fuji is listening!
If 96 likes on Fujirumours facebook group is a negative response…
Fuji, please do not listen to these bigots who cannot imagine that somebody might want to use the camera in a different way to them.
What would actually be better than 4k, is some kind of “log” video profile (like sony’s s-log). Can you imagine? By now, only very expensive cinema cameras can do it as well as the new sony a7s and a7II. It would be the most clever turn by fujifilm. It would be a hit among filmmakers because fuji is a mirrorless (means you can adapt literally any lenses to it), has focus peaking and needs zebras and audio in/output. If only they could add that feature… I almost moved to fuji several times but the lack of video features holds me back.
I think users like you are the argument for video. Of course the existing Fuji owners don’t care about video. If they did, they wouldn’t be Fuji owners. But Fuji needs to expand their appeal for the good of all. Didiergm has expressed this well.
A flat video profile is not much of a challenge, and only useful when you’re planning to post-process the video with color grading. Sony’s big advantage is their full-sensor readout that is then downscaled to 1080p, rather than skipping pixels entirely to get to the lower resolution, which is what most are doing, and one of the reasons Fuji’s videos look so incredibly messy with jagged edges, moire .. and then they made it worse with sharpening etc.
As much as I am excited about the EXRIII, but all I care about is PICTURE quality and nothing else.
Plastic skin tones at high ISO but getting 4k video?! No way.
Video, tilt screen, GPS, face-detecting what not is all gimmick.
If the X-Pro2 turns into a jack of all trades kind of camera, spare me.
I’ll keep my 2 X-Pro1 bodies and go out shooting while you guys making 4k videos of your cats/dogs/aliens in the backyard.
The gimmick for one is a must-have for another. Tilt screen, with the state of my knees, has changed my photography life; Face detection is nice and sometimes useful when you are in a situation like a family gathering where nobody wants to spend time taking pictures (but still love to see them, go figure ;))
And … having a real 4k video of all the aliens visiting our planet, would make a nice change compared to all the blurry ones we get as proof 🙂 Might allow to start an intergalactic photographic business like “Me in front of the Pyramids” or Me flying just above the Great Wall of China … 🙂
+1 on the tilt screen. I never wanted this feature but now that I have it I couldn’t live without it. There are so many benefits. I hike with an ultralight Sirui T-1205X tripod. Great tripod but it’s short by necessity. With the tilt screen I often don’t even need to bend down to compose my shot.
What I really, really like with Fuji’s X-Series : there is plenty of help at hand /if and only if you want it/ (I am thinking auto isos, Focus peeking, Zoom, tilt screen, film emulation, Evf pre visualisation, face recognition, evf level, evf grid …. any thing you can think of)
Otherwise use it as a simple old fashioned SLR (I am talking about the X-T1) : set Aperture with a dial; set Speed with a dial ; Shoot. Simple and works every time 🙂
However you want to use this body, you can; If you want to use it the old way, you can, you don’t have a crippled body which only partially works or has silly constraints make it virtually unusable. Try the same with a very expensive N*k*n PRO body – you do not have the same level of control;
I really hope Fuji keeps the same philosophy
What about the new (24mp?) sensor? Will it just be bigger or will it be bigger and better?
I would prefer for Fuji to make a strong commitment to stills and ditch video already. Invest the efforts devoted to video into AF and IBIS or something else more useful to their niche.
New processor probably means better AF (faster signal processing usually helps); “ditch video” – unlikely with the current market trends; “IBIS” unlikely with the insvestment made on in lens OIS
Well, much of what Fuji did with it’s system two or three years ago was against market trends: custom sensor, rangefinder style bodies, rangefinder style VF, focus by wire, APS specific lenses, primes first, etc.
Fuji’s niche is not too concerned about video anyway.
You’re right of course with the history of Fuji over the last 3 years, now they need to establish themselves as more mainstream as the mirror-less concept is gaining traction, they need to appeal to a wider audience. They now have the SLR-line (X-T1, rumored X-T10) the range finder with OVF (X100x, XPRO), and the rangefinder with EVF only X-Ex; Look at what Nikon did with their Df – No video had lot of people up in arms. even if I do not really believe that that many people do use video that much. But this is gut-feeling, not hard facts
That’s true, gut feeling is king.
Even if only 10% of people ever use it, it’s still worth including as it costs Fuji virtually nothing.
No reason to think ditching video (which is really just a software feature) would result in improved AF or IBIS (hardware features).
I could careless about video. Hopefully the long delay is not just for 4K…While it may be a great feature for some, I am hoping that the long delay is for improvements in image quality and performance, rather than video.
Nonetheless, it seems the X-Pro 2 will not be released until later this year or early next year, which is long way off. So, I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for it.
Until Fuji releases a camera with better image quality, my X-Pro 1 and DP Merrills will remain sufficient.
I assume you mean /couldn’t/ care less… ?
I guess you mean ‘I could NOT care less about …’
“It seems that the XPRo2 won’t be released until later this year”
Old news that has been consistently said in each and every rumor re the Xpro2 for the last few months
” Until Fuji releases a camera with better image quality, my X-Pro 1 and DP Merrills will remain sufficient. “. So that’s a happy user then.
These so called purists are a pain, so narrow-minded, they can’t foresee 1cm beyond their nose, they will never understand the big picture.
The 4k big picture.
from talking to a fuji engineer at WPPI it seems the biggest hurdle is the real-time parallax feature. it works on the x100t because of its fixed focal length, but the xpro2 will be using many different lenses, including zooms, that may require a firmware upgrade for each lens, or an all-in-one upgrade for all current lenses except for zooms.
I love my Fuji equipment. In particular, the excellent optics. I would very much like to do with this equipment also my videos. But unfortunately that does not work. I would very much appreciate a professional video quality. I do not see it only as a gimmick. That would save me a lot of money.
Whether 4K video must be in an X-Pro2 real, or better in an X-Pro2s or X-T2 is the question. No matter for me is not the question. I buy a A7s and new lenses for video. I need to make some videos in the coming months. So once again put my money into a new system.
This money otherwise I would of course put in more Fujinon lenses and a new camera. This money would also help the pure Fuji photographers because it strengthens the company and promotes further developments.
Who gives a damn about 4K?
Get yourself a video camera.
And lenses, and batteries, and bag… And take all of that with you…
No thanks (my banker and my osteopath prefer Fuji to improve video output).
I’m not a pro, but I prefer that Fuji give me a good video tool (I don’t need 4K but better quality would be welcome).
Yes I’ll buy a Sony A7s/ii and lenses.
Oh, and it’s better for stills as well…
Good idea; off to Sony Rumors then
Yeah, being restricted to lossy compressed RAW files is something to look forward to. Sony makes some nice sensors, but the end result is better from the Nikon cameras they are being used in ~ not the A7 series. If they stop limiting the image quality to lossy compressed RAW files with the A7r ii, and they resolve the shutter vibration issues that negate the benefits of the high resolution sensor, I will possibly agree with you.
compressed raw?? I have sony (and fuji) I don’t notice the differences between compressed or uncompressed! ok, if you shot star trails…and crop 100%..and increase contrast..and..and..and. too many “and”.
You’re right for Instagram pictures Compressed Raw is good enough, heck JPEG is good enough too
ahahah
compression != downscaling
But if someone is happy with a Sony it’s fine for me (and most here). But it’s like having a dick – keep it to yourself, I don’t want to know about it
It isn’t that it’s compressed or not. Just that it is an 11bit raw no matter what. It’s always loss of data, unnecessarily.
If you don’t care about it, that’s fine. Some people do, it doesn’t hurt you in any way as far as I can tell.
What would you think if 4K video technology gave you global shutters and flash sync speeds of 1/5000 of a second for still photography….would you still say “no 4k video”.
What would you think if 4K video technology gave your much improved AF to track fast moving subjects in still photography.
What would you think if 4K video technology lead to much improved battery life for still photography.
What would you think if 4K video technology lead to faster responding EVFs.
I support great stills and video photography in one camera.
The faster sensor readout speed should also enable things like fast multi-shot exposures for improved dynamic range or, provided there is corresponding hardware, higher resolution through sensor shifting.
Still, a lot of ifs there…
“We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.” JKF
I hear the nonsensical “could care less” variation of the “couldn’t care less” expression all the time and it always drives me a little crazy. That said, it is commonly used.
“could care less” means they’re just shy of completely not caring, because apparently it could be less. 😉
All cameras have facilities that not everyone uses. Widening the market to sell more cameras just makes it more cost effective for everyone.
I don’t use video, but neither do I use in-camera jpeg processing, or face detection or all kinds of other facilities. I just use the bits that I want and ignore the rest. I certainly don’t complain about them.
In what year or century?
How many more ‘rumors’ about 4K will we have before getting news of something important to taking pictures like when are we going to get the lenses that are slated for release this year???? 35MK2, 16mm, 90mm, teleconverter. ‘I want to believe’ that none of those will be pushed off yet another year. My phone can do 4k video. Who cares. Certainly it will help with frame rates and other facets of sensor technology but lets get the lens roadmap done for current models. There is nothing terribly lacking in my X-T1 that an XPro2 will give me. What I am missing is lenses to go with it.
I assume two different sets of engineers work on lenses and sensors but perhaps their budgets and priorities are mixed. How many Fuji lenses have been on time in the last couple of years? Not the 16-55, not the 50-140, not the 56. Maybe the 56 ADP.
23mm was delayed for +1 year
Yet another example. The lens roadmap is great the delivery is terrible.
The roadmap is an idea of what’s being developed and not a promise of time. To expect otherwise is unreasonable.
I disagree otherwise there is no point in putting a timeline on it at all. Just say in the future. If you were planning a trip for instance at the end of the year and planned to use a lens specifically advertised as being available on a roadmap in the first half of the year (for example 35mm MKII or 90mm) wouldn’t you be a little disappointed if it was still not available 6 months later when your trip came around vs. when it was tentatively due to be available? Certainly there is some play in the roadmap but anytime it gets past 3 months it will disappoint potential customers. If the 16-55 had been available (as original roadmaps suggested) by Christmas 2014 I would have purchased it. Now I’m not sure I ever will.
It’s a roadmap. It’s pretty simple. They may want to hit their targets but sometimes things come up. It’s life. Sure, people can get disappointed but relying on a roadmap as an immutable promise is not a good idea. Here’s something Fuji can do to eliminate disappointment and consternation: stop making road maps. Be like the other camera companies.
In all fairness, the current lens lineup is really more than adequate for travel purposes — you have a range of 15mm – 300mm. I honestly can’t imagine why having any of these focal lengths in your original post, much less the behemoth 100-400, would make the difference for vacation photos. Just use whatever is available and make compelling images and quit worrying about “what if” scenarios that don’t exist. When I take my XE-1 on vacation I take the 18-135 to pack ultra-light.
Just see it at a relative chronology, not an absolute.
90mm is expected before 100-400 and 120 macro.
They could just not publish a roadmap. That they do is a huge benefit to their customers, sometimes it takes a little longer to complete the design process, this is not something we should complain about.
Most camera companies have a lens roadmap for the same reason they go to trade-shows. To hype up their systems and keep people interested. However when they don’t deliver on those systems in a reasonable amount of time they stand to lose customers to other systems at least partially. A lens roadmap is an announcement of development. The idea of a lens roadmap is not a novel idea belonging to Fuji alone. Quality should be the first concern in these lenses but they should also be a little better about forecasting availability. That is all I am saying. I’ve spent a lot of money recently on a body and lenses to get me through till the Fuji 100-400 and some other lenses are available. Everytime someone has to go outside the Fuji system to fulfill there needs Fuji stands to lose a customer to another system. I don’t want that. I want Fuji to succeed and spend more energy on improving what they have for existing bodies.
It seems like there is far more hype on here about megapixels, full frame and 4k than there ever is about adding quality flash and lenses to the existing system. I don’t remember a single rumor about the macro tubes for instance. Maybe there is just a bigger rumor mill for the tech-junkie side of photography.
The only dates on the roadmap I believe are the past one.
I won’t buy any system on a promise that “this focal length will be cover soon”, but because of the lens I can buy now.
4k is not my priority: I have shot 20,000 pictures over the last few months, and 3 videos.
I would prefer Fuji to focus all the effort on releasing the promised lenses (in particular 16/1.4 and 120-400) as soon as possible (can we do yesterday?) with the XT1 as it is, rather than a new iteration of XPRO. The XT1 is an excellent camera which is hard to beat in terms of image quality, we need more lenses, not another body. If we wanted a new and different body every other week we would have bought Sony 😀 😀 😀 :D.
When the new body will arrive (and I care little about it, frankly), what I want is more of the same, with progressive improvements and
nothing revolutionary: some more MP (Canon has set the bar quite hgh
with the new EOS 5D), faster processor, faster autofocus, longer
battery life, even better high ISO, and of course keep the focus on
producing excellent lenses.
Yes where is the 16/1.4 lens that is supposed to be weathered sealed. The lens roadmap shows the 1st quarter of this year. I would rather have them work on the weather sealed prime lens then 4k video. The weather sealed lens zooms they have now are too big for my taste. I also agree with the faster autofocus and longer battery life needed.
It shows first half of this year. Many months left.
I agree. I use Sony A7s for video and I choose Fuji (X-T1, but I still prefer x-pro1 for IQ) for jpg output quality. Fujifilm have to improve IQ, AF, DR..noise control, I don’t need less AF, less DR..for 4k video. Full HD is enough!
4k isn’t a compromise, it’s just an accomplishment of others improvements (faster processor).
My Xpro1 takes great still images, regardless of the fact that it can also shoot video. Having 4K video won’t diminish the capabilities of still images in the Xpro2, it’ll just be there in the background whether you ever use it or not.
That being said, I want 4K, I can make use of it, plus I get to make full use of all my Fuji glass in a device that I trust and am familiar with. However, a lot depends on the Codecs Fuji support, I can’t see them including RAW or Cinema DNG, but whatever they opt for, it won’t add any extra weight or an increase in size, so if they offer it and you never use it, you’ve lost nothing.
4k raw? lol, no… you need an ssd raid for that 😀
even 4k 422 10bit at 25p needs a bandwidth of 737 mbps – so its impossible to record on sd cards
the gh4s 420 8 bit 4k is about the maximum you can get on sd cards….
Dear Fuji. You made cool X-Pro1 that many photographers who love RF bought it. I am 100% sure that 99% of them wait for X-Pro2 and they do not care at all for video, but for X-Pro shooters bring a really improved camera for stills. Put all your effort on it. X-Pro1 has some serious drawbacks:
1. It has poor/everage AF – make X-Pro2 to focus in -2EV for low light shooting, with AF performance of Sony A6000 at least with all PDAF points
2. Put big dedicated Back-AF button placed near thumb
3. Bring weather sealed and dust proof body
4. Put a little bigger VF
5. Give us 8 fps
6. Make bigger and better placed AE lock button
7. Improve High ISO (not cheated and with clean 6400iso)
8. Make ALL buttons customable
9. 1/250s X-Sync
10. +/- 1/3s braketing
11. Tilt LCD is ok (for low/high level street shooting)
12. Allow NR to sett to OFF
13. Allow turn OFF “Blur Warning” mark
14. Add TIFF 16-bit file saving from RAW in camera RAW converter – it’s silly it converts only to 8-bit JPEG
These are we wait for, keep Video 4K feature for X-T1 users.
How come only 1/250 flash sync speed, you mean after all the new technology the best Fuji can do is the average of others. How about 1/500 flash sync speed, or 1/1000 Flash sync speed
You can’t do that with a focal plane shutter. At least not with current technology. It would require an electronic shutter (since none of the lenses have leaf shutters) but the limitations are still too great presently.
I am 100% sure that you made that 99% stat up.
The new Nikon APS camera does -3EV. Since the Fuji is coming out later, why shouldn’t it beat that? The new Nikon APS camera does 24mp. Since the Fuji is coming out later, why shouldn’t it beat that?
Fuji really needs to steal a march on its competition; being almost but not quite me-too because you’re a flat top is just not enough in this super competitive market, especially since the Fuji will most likely cost more than that Nikon.
I mean AF -2EV at least. But you are right if Fuji wants to compete it should bring -3EV. Panasonic AF goes to -4EV, it is said new A7000 Sony will focus -3EV or -4EV. If X-Pro2 will not focus to at least -2EV, I will move to other system because low light shooting is very important to me but Fuji X cams are almost useless in low light AF focusing (because AF goes to 0EV only).
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Still a long time until it’s released, so plenty of time for rumors – which I want to believe 🙂
let fuji include 4k i may never use it but i appreciate the processor that can handle it and said processors ablity to buffer …..crazy … refersh the evf etc ….
fuji give us every lens we will ever need ….. a buffer ahead of the curve ……crazy options in every aspect of cameradom and beautiful cameras with front and center shutter value on a dedicated dial …. aperture values on a dedicated lens dial…… iso front and center , exposure comp front and center…
a camera built like a camera …..with the respet car makers give to the placement of the brake and gas pedal…thats why i own 5 of your cameras
4k in these small still cameras is a marketing ploy. Where are you seeing 4k video shot on still cameras? Why not 8k, or 11k?
And again: stop whining people!
You have no idea about product development if you think adding 4K has any influence on the release of a lens like 16/1.4. A lens designer is a completely different thing than a video engineer. Same goes for most complaints here.
4K is unnecessary for most of us and might be a marketing gimmick but Fuji has clearly said that AF and new sensor are two of their top priorities. If Fuji’s video engineers (which already exist) think they can add 4K support in time for launch then why not? Won’t take away your wonderful stills…
Now if they postponed the launch because of 4K that would be a whole different thing. But I doubt they would be that stupid!
Or maybe Fuji with their limited resources hired video engineers instead of lenses engineers.
(but I’m pretty sure the only reason for 4K is that the hardware make it possible)
Possible but not likely. Since Fuji released a lot more lenses in 2013 & 2014 than they have announced for 2015 & 2016 I don’t believe there is a need for new lens designers. Some things just take time and can’t be sped up by more engineers.
You mean 9 women can’t have 1 baby in 1 month?
Just search for Fujinon lenses at B&H. The X-lenses are hardly a big thing to develop for Fuji.
Good point! I know those beasts but didn’t think of them when writing. I guess it would make sense to have the same team do all the lenses and not have a separate team for the X lenses. So this further proves my point that 4K probably isn’t taking away any resources from the other important areas where Fuji needs progress.
Fuji is a gigantic corporation, their resources aren’t that limited. And the imaging group, mostly because of instax, is actually near or above profitability. Besides, the inner workings of a Japanese conglomerate is quite different than most other places.
Something tells me that they don’t really know what to do. X100 was a shot in the dark that worked and caught them by surprise. X-Pro1 used the same formula but with the ability to swap lenses. What followed after that never interested me.
It was the form factor and brilliant small primes that attracted a lot of customers.
X-T1 was an answer to E-M1 and now with Sony’s alpha 7 range I really don’t see Fuji attracting new customers w/o a product that’s different and yet better.
Unfortunately I am afraid you might be right. Early adopters (myself included) did indeed
buy into the form factor and the small primes.
I am however completely not interested in large heavy zooms and long
lenses… The X-Pro2 seems to be more based on the specs of competitors like
Samsung with more MP and 4K than on the actual requirements of the actual Fuji
customers. Too bad…
But the small primes are still around, the 14mm is not exactly large either (just look at the 12mm zeiss) and there will be an even smaller 35mm this year. It doesn’t look as if Fuji has forgotten about you.
I suspect there are a lot of reasons why different people have gone to the Fuji world beyond what interests you specifically. I also don’t see the other manufacturers really attracting new customers given the rapid decline of the market. Right now it’s just a shuffling of deck chairs, mostly built around enthusiasts and gear nerds.
You might be right but people are interested in mirrorless offerings, mostly the ones with SLR kits to who want to have a smaller system.
In short: the new camera will have a mainstream video capabilities and a processor to accommodate these capabilities. D’oh!
Yep, in other words, anyone can predict this for an X-Pro2. If the new one has a 24mp sensor it would have to come with a new processor to handle it. That processor would also handle video better. Not much deduction required. I’m waiting for a rumor of something we wouldn’t expect much like the X-T1 form factor was something we didn’t expect.
Totally agree with you on that, that’s why I can’t see them going for those Codecs, they’d require too many hardware adaptations and ports to external devices. I suspect that the compression decoders would be very low which would probably give no better results, when resized, than reasonably compressed Full HD . . . but one can wish.
Judging by horrendously crappy FullHD video from the X30, which is barely SD in effective resolution, I would not put too much faith in Fuji’s 4K promise.
I for one would like to see it happen, presuming they put effort into making video output excellent. It would mean I wouldn’t have to add a whole new system just for video.
If Fuji would not come up with an 4K video feature, all the reviews will blame this not beeing provided with the new top of model release.
With video we also want to have autofocus, sure it makes no sense but reviewers like to play with things like that. But then Fuji lenses are not for video as they make just to much noise… an Helios 44-3 does an better job by far for video.
In the end Fuji has to make an desicion which is to have video support then it’s better to have 4k video as top of line product than none or old outdated, even if it will be not perfect.
I hope they will do an good job implementing an propper version who can compete.
I personaly would prefer to have no video implemented and spare recources for other features who can be improoved. But the market does some kind of dictate and my preferece will vanish in void.
If they folow the dictate, I hope they will do an good job implementing an propper version who can compete.
All I want is for it to be closer to a Contax G2 in real world functionality. Basically I just need a faster working camera, and a faster flash would be cool too – the efex20 is nice but could use a little more efficiency. AF and a little bit more of solid handling is top priority. New small lenses are nice (my fave is the 27 pancake). I don’t even need a better sensor, and 4k video though I would happily take both. Otherwise I don’t have my complaints with my x pro 1. But I would happily throw down up to 2k for a better built, faster version.
I would bet we take very different kinds of vacations. Mine usually involve lots of hiking in sandy and moist conditions looking for wildlife. The 18-135 is great for what it is but its not nearly long enough and its quality is not good enough in the mid ranges. But I may end up getting it anyway as it is still a far cheaper WR option in 18-55 range than the 16-55.