Jordan is making an excellent work in these days at photokina. This time he had an interview with Torben Hondong of Fujifilm, You can check it out here at admiringlight.
In short:
– 16-55 without OIS: Fuji wants to contain size & weight
– 90mm and 16mm mock-up: the final lenses could be the same size, or they could be smaller as the mock-ups
– future lenses: If the 56mm APD sells well, then they will expand the specialized lens line-up
– 35mm MKII: no plans for now, possible in future
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– Fujifilm X-PRO2: The discussion was about the Viewfinder. Basically Fuji is considering to put the best of the two worlds (EVF like the X-T1 & OVF of the X100T) into the X-PRO2 body. But Fuji “would see how the response to the X100T [viewfinder] was to consider the options for any potential X-Pro replacement.” The challange for Fuji is also to put an X-T1 alike EVF into an X-PRO2 that fits into a body that people expect.
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Good news.
X-Pro 2 with EVF like the X-T1 & OVF of the X100T thats what i am waiting for Fuji!
To be clear, he did not confirm that they would be doing that for sure, but rather that those options were all part of the consideration for a new model.
Will you still want that when it turns out to be the size of a GX690? (That was the Fuji medium-format film rangefinder camera that was sometimes known as the “Texas Leica”… it was HUGE.) Seriously, look at that lump on the top of an X-T 1… that’s what it takes to accommodate its EVF. Imagine that volume plus the existing volume of an X-Pro…
I have a Fuji GW690. And yes, it’s huge. And damn yes, I’d like the X-Pro2 to have that size. But, no, it’s just an illusion.
and no mention of the legendary organic sensor…
honestly when it was first announced last year, I had a feeling that we wouldn’t be seeing anything any time soon, I’d guess that next Photokina at the earliest is when we would see the organic sensor.
it was actually first talked about in late 2012. The research was announced last year and it was speculated that the result could be applied on consumer products by the end of 2014. Allegedly the organic sensor has up to 14 stops of dynamic range which sounds impressive to me. Sad that it seems like it has just disappeared from fuji’s plan.
A Fujifilm source told me that it was abandonned, not better than actual X-Trans/Cmos.
SO does this basically mean we are not going to see the Xpro 2 any time soon? I was really hoping for a preview this week.
To be honest, that’s the impression I got from him.. It seems to me that Fuji doesn’t quite know what to do or how to implement the X-Pro 2, if they ever do. Part of the difficulty is that the X-T1 does all these things exceptionally well, is a bit smaller and handles better. The hybrid VF is really the only thing.
I understand them but for all those who are familiar with rangefinders and their look and feel and the OVF, the X-T1 is not really an option. I’m under the impression that they are slowly fetching more and more DSLR users to use their X-system but I bought the X-Pro1 to replace the Leica system, which is becoming (or maybe always has been) way too elite and expensive.
Agree with you there, the appeal of the X-Pro1 to me was that it’s NOT a DSLR-styled camera. It’s what restored my joy in photography 🙂 Though I love the newly styled X-T1, I’m really hoping for an impressive update to the X-Pro1.
Same here!
Then not sure why Fuji stated a while back that they decided against X-Pro1s for X-Pro2. Should have stayed in tack and improved current XP1 like they did with X100S/T
Well, I guess some of us still have to wait some more. It’s evident that we want the best of both worlds in the new X-Pro2 but I don’t want Fuji to change the body size too much, otherwise I would simply go out and buy me the X-T1. However, they should not wait too long before bringing out the new X-Pro because I’m getting more and more frustrated with some of the lacks the 1st one has compared to even the X100S. Also, I haven’t much noticed the Kaizen love everybody talks about all the time. It seems to work only for the X-T1 for the time being…
IMHO. Having superb EVF is perfect enough. The combination of both EVF and OVF may be outstanding, but my concern is that it may make the viewfinder unnecessarily complicated as well as make the whole body too big.
Please do not invent X-PRO2 like a monstrous brick.
How is an OVF supposed to work with lenses between 12mm and 400mm?
It obviously can’t cover the whole range, but there’s no problem covering say 18-90mm which would account for 90% of typical use cases and there’s the EVF for wider and longer lenses after that.
It doesn’t or won’t. When was last time you see super zoom on Leica or Ziess RF or Bessa? For that matter why would anyone want a 12-400 zoom lens desu?
Gomen, I see now 12 and 400 not 12-400
I hope APD will be a fun but failed experiment, i want Fuji glass because it is sharp, crisp and bright… please let it be the first and last APD lens.
As for XPro-2, the longer they wait the higher our expectation will be, because i am now imagining top Japanese scientists and designers crammed in a room coming out with the best possible camera ever, day and night, and in reality they will always disappoint someone. I shoot with XPro-1, and after testing all cameras in fuji line up for weeks, I still pick up the XPro with the same joy as the first time 2 years ago.
Dear Fuji, please don’t overthink XPro-2, i want a photographers camera, not a camera designed by comity like Nikon or Canon.
Good point, Serge. I, too use the X-Pro1 with the same joy like in the first day. An X-Pro2 with the latest capabilities of X-T1 + X100T (hybrid viewfinder, Classic chrome, AF speed, maybe ISO dial on top) would pe excellent. There is no perfection like an X-Pro2, FF, organic/curved sensor with ISO128000 and 20 FPS. I just want them to keep the size and shape of X-Pro1. Just sweet and perfect for a guy with not so small hands.
More marketing products? Where is the Fuji FF or MF?
In people’s fantasy camera lists
Or, as with the 50-140, the finished lens can be even bigger than the mock up.
And the 90mm looks bigger than you would expect from the basic specification.
Sounds like they are a long way off releasing an XP2, and it may never happen. I would rather they concentrate on the XT2, and maybe an EVF based camera above the XT line, with better AF, faster shutter speed, faster flash sync, 2 card slots and better battery life.
With EVFs getting better so quickly, and all the variety of new lenses, I can’t see an OVF being very useful.
Maybe not an OVF, but a rangefinder-style camera would be. 1-step up from the x-E2… I would sign for that
I agree. Thr xt1 has sold well for fuji and it will be my next purchase. The xpro1 should go evf, as pointed out how useful is an ovf with 10-400mm?? Ditch the xe line (just have a top notch evf in the xpro) and then have the x100 line for fixed lens. Also I think fuji should just buy sensors off Sony or whoever is making the best (could be Samsung soon) and add their xtrans color array filter to it. Please don’t release another camera with the same 16mp sensor…
OVF has its place and the Pro 1 is still a great camera, From normal to wide the OVF works best and PAF isn’t needed with a wide the way most shoot and PAF is hit and miss at 1.4 (all brand’s) so FUJI may have 1000’s of X PRO 1 to sell yet to!
There is a question; do we need OVF? Especially when EVF’s are getting better and better with less lag. As a Leica M9 and X-PRO1 shooter I liked the idea of the OVF because I was used to the rangefinder focus, which I like. But I ended up mostly using OVF with the X-PRO1, because the EVF didn’t give me anything especially after focus peaking was introduced (except that the EVF had terrible lag time when moving the camera). I love the X-PRO1, but not so much neither the OVF or EVF. None really worked for me.
Maybe with augmented reality using overlay of focus peaking etc. in the OVF it would be more useful. Or is EVF getting so good now that the need for OVF is gone?
If X-PRO2 is introduced with such augmented reality feature I’d consider it. If not… I don’t know… X-T1 perhaps, or if an X-T2 is introduced with no noticeable lag…
Maybe most people don’t “need” an OVF, but without one there is no reason for an X-Pro to exist: Fuji already has the X-E and X-T cameras for those who are happy with an EVF. The hybrid finder is the X-Pro’s signature feature, and if they can’t improve it, they might as well kill off the product.
It will be a tough position. The reason so many people give up on using the OVF is that the optics are really not very good. Compared to a real rangefinder camera, the magnification is too low (so low that you can’t see important details of the subject) and the parallax compensation isn’t accurate enough.
But it’s hard to see how they could add an optical finder as good as those in Leica or Voigtlander cameras, PLUS the X-T 1-size EVF that many people seem to want, without making the camera body much, much larger. And that would be a problem because compared to other cameras with similar or greater capabilities, the X-Pro is too large already. People generally go to mirrorless because they want greater mobility, yet my X-Pro (plus a couple of Fuji’s porky lenses) takes up just as much bag space as the Nikon DSLR gear I used to use.
I agree to much of what you said, but I don’t like the idea of shrinking the X Pro1.
In fact, I find it a bit too small. I bought the biggest hand grip available on the market, and it is just ok. I am also the proud owner of a Fuji GW690, and THIS is a large camera that fits me.
If size is a matter of concern, there is still the option of a tiny X-M1.
That should fit into any pocket. But then your only option is to attach the pancake 27mm. Any other lens would make it to big for any pocket. So, “fit into pocket” isn’t a good criteria deciding which camera and lens you should buy.
Then why even bother with X100T? why bother pushing third mode HVF, digital rangefinder selection?
Exactly… I think this may be where Fujifilm is at the moment. Is there a future for the hybrid viewfinder? The VF in rangefinder systems had a purpose with focusing that with practice is fast and accurate. The question would be what should a good OVF do in a modern rangefinder style camera? Why do we need it, except from a clear view, no disruption from the shutter – but with the parallax issue. Could augmented reality with more info and e.g. focus peaking be the answer for a future X-PRO2? With an augmented OVF, is there a need for an EVF (considering size)… If Fujifilm improves the EVF what would then be the difference from X-T1? An X-T1 is tempting, but also it is tempting to wait for a X-PRO2 to see what the improvements are… I may wait… I think…
I believe that they put features in new products (X100T) and wait for the customer response (which for them is measured in sold units). If it sells well, they will consider putting it in a future product (like X-Pro 2), maybe. I think that they are just playing safe and are not brave enough to take the chance of making a revolutionary product that would clearly split the world in two: the ones that like it and the ones that don’t. Such revolutionary product was the original X100, which was then further on refined in the form of X100S and now X100T. You all have to understand that Fuji is no different than Canon, Nikon, Sony and the others in one very important aspect: MONEY. And I believe releasing products with incremental updates is the way to make money, keep your customers loyal to you and don’t take the risk of loosing customers by launching some products that these do not identify themselves with.
I recently bought a almost new X100S, saving a good deal of money. No (true) reason to buy X100T, if IQ is the same.
Agree with you, Marian.
So where is the guy who said to mark his words that Fuji would release/announce the XPro2 during the show?
Here I am and admit I was sorely wrong, more importantly totally disappointed with Fuji and at this point I give up. I really wanted to see the X-Pro2 just like many X-Pro users… I am moving on.
There is the CP+ photo show coming up in January 2015. Maybe we will see it there. Hope dies last.
I was skeptical but I did secretly hope they would reveal more. And even though I am enthusiastic about Fuji I’m not locked into them. I came from 8 years of Nikon and other camera systems before that. I don’t change systems often or on a whim but will if there’s a true gain to be had. I have to admit the new Canon 7DII is intriguing and I’ve never shot a Canon before. The focus and tools available for astrophotography are luring. However, I do really enjoy the Fuji way of doing things. I’m curious what they’ll do for the next generation X-E3 and T2.
Very fuzzy, this camera roadmap. It feels more like pure niche filling instead of a thoroughly planned approach as we see from competition. From day one the X-Pro’s reason of existence was 100% related to this magnificent RF-alike OVF, not about hyper-resolution LCDs or other gadgets like tilt screens. Essential is that Fuji performs a serious revamp of all X-Pro1 issues & shortcomings to make it a flexible, enjoyable and most of all reliable camera (it isn’t now, that’s clear) and adds to it this X100T RF- functionality and at least, the X-T1’s AF. Directing the range as a top model it should have the best sensor on the market, at least 24MP to remain a credible concept for a while. All the rest is unimportant, as long as it is released in graphite silver it is fine for me. Unfortunately I’m afraid Fuji won’t aim any further than this same old Sony 16MP and they will perform just a XE 2-alike refresh of this model. In that case, I’m sure most wave one X-Pro1 adopters like me – liking the concept tired of all the quirks, problems and limitations – will leave Fuji forever.
Sorry, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I recently bought my 2nd X-Pro1 body. Both are “flexible, enjoyable and most of all reliable cameras.”
I think about doing the same. But this baby sometimes really drives me nuts!!!
What’s the matter? What’s wrong with the goo’ old X-Pro1 that drives you crazy?
Without going into details – I believe it’s me that doesn’t quite understand how the camera wants/needs to be handled.
Hunting & unreliable AF @ low light, locking up camera at least once an hour even after the most recent FW, not wanting to flash, improper flash support for even Fuji flashes, shutter lag, battery life/the ’empty battery’ sign prompting you and locking your camera without mercy, locking on-off button (mechanical issue), all kinds of inflexible FW-hassle standing in the way of a true fluent operation, a very confusing manual focus mode with the ‘clutch’ lenses, extremely scratch sensitive LCD, weak paint, ridiculous remote control, an unprotected sensor without mechanical shutter in front of it – very sensitive for dust… should I go further?
Talking from my experience with two X-Pro1 bodies:
1. Hunting & unreliable AF @ low light: yes, sometimes. Use AF lock, when you’re trying to focus on a person or object which doesn’t move a lot. Helps a lot. Or go MF, which is quick, nice and convenient.
2. locking up camera at least once an hour even after the most recent FW: can’t confirm that behavior.
3. not wanting to flash, improper flash support for even Fuji flashes: flash support is poor. But once the flash is on and ready, it works like it is supposed to do.
4. shutter lag: happens when you try to use the camera like a P&S in full auto-mode. Remember, the camera sucks for P&S. What you need to do every time: look through the view finder, focus on your subject, consider the light & framing, take the shot. If you miss any of these steps, your results will tell you. The X-Pro 1 is a demanding camera. Maybe it’s not made for you. But that’s ok.
5. battery life/the ’empty battery’ sign prompting you and locking your camera without mercy: well, you want a percentage number telling you exactly how much power is left? I tell you how it works: once, the battery sign has switched to red, you have exactly 10 shots left. Then the camera will shut down, no matter how much you cry. I have 4 batteries all fully loaded with me every time I go for a long day out shooting. I am an amateur.
6. locking on-off button (mechanical issue): no idea what you mean. My bodies have no broken buttons.
7. all kinds of inflexible FW-hassle standing in the way of a true fluent operation: You don’t like FW in general or the way they are installed?
8. a very confusing manual focus mode with the ‘clutch’ lenses: haha, dude, only confusing when using it the fvery first time. You have the MF switch on the body AND the clutch on the lens. You need to bring BOTH systems into MF for true MF operation, or BOTH systems into AF for true AF operation. If one is AF the other one still MF then you’re trying to eat your soup with a knife. That’s not what mama told you to do! 🙂
9. extremely scratch sensitive LCD: that’s what a screen protector is made for. Get one. Or two.
10. weak paint: naah, I mean yes I have some scratches, but they were deserved! I love the scratches on the body, I have been to many places with my little friend.
11. ridiculous remote control: sorry, did I miss something? My X-Pro1 has a remote control?? ;P
12. an unprotected sensor without mechanical shutter in front of it: nope, there is mechanical shutter, indeed. But normally you don’t see it. It’s hidden (or in open mode), when you attach the lens. That’s indeed something I don’t like too. In order to better protect the sensor, they should have put more thought into this issue.
13. very sensitive for dust: yes, but then again, that’s a general issue for all types of cameras.
Good luck!
I’m using the X-Pro1 for professional purposes decades of dedication & experience here with a very wide variety of still and video equipment. 1. MF: are you living in 2014? Having some Leica disorder? Even the cheapest P&S must have a more reliable AF. Take 5 AF pictures in a dynamic environment, not the best light conditions, two are really bad, two get a “maybe” and just one is really spot on it. Well, on a sunny day, it may be the opposite, but my DSLR does all OK, so? 2. No doubt Fuji’s X-Pro1 FW had very weird issues from day one. 3. OK. 4. I’m never using the X-Pro1 in a P&S mode, but A-priority is quite common, not? Just focus on someone walking through your field of view, push the button. Yes, only a Dynax 7i was just a bit worse. 5. Somewhere I don’t get that 10 shots it gets blocked long before that. Story over – impossible to make any relationship between the blocks and the images I still have. 6. the on/off/sr button gets very stiff to move, sometimes feels like something is going to break inside. I’m not having the courage to deal with Fuji’s service org once again, last time they took exactly 2 months to repair my XF35mm with a piece of scrap in it (?) 7. There are way too many functions spread over the various organs + menus; extremely confusing and complex. Put this in just one menu. 8. The clutch mode just doesn’t work the same as the M-mode in the EVF. 9./10. I never had to use the iPhone-kind protectors on my DSLR gear and they don’t stick very well on the plastic cover either. This was a premium camera, not a lomography built-your-own kit? Nikon stuff of the same age could still be sold in a ‘near mint state’, this camera just doesn’t have the same yield resistance, it isn’t the display & paint alone. 11. The cable release, Even a very simple connector + wired shutter remote would have been quite a bit more pro, isn’t it? 12/13. So here is a premium priced, pro-intended camera that requires a clean every week. There’s only one argument in defense of Fuji… the X-Pro1 is an almost 3 year old concept now and I purchased a very, very first batch X-Pro1 (which was just a stupid thing to do). Not sure if you buy the same now it’s identical to mine. Looking at the X-T1, it feels a lot better in every way. Tell me, where is the X-Pro2 matching the same criteria?
There plan is to make money and sell cameras, Its a start up system. It is my feeling there more to be made making cheeper cameras then a X pro 2
I guess the X-Pro2 will be like an X100T, but (of course) with interchangeable lenses. With the new hybrid OVF/EVF and the EVF resolution and size of X-T1’s EVF. It’s hard to guess. But I do hope they will keep the design of X-Pro1’s body. And maybe WS capability. The tilt & swivel LCD screen is a nice option, but it may affect the overall durability.
I believe you are right. Which I think would be a shame if they wouldn’t have developed the OVF-part even further when they finally bring the XPro2. But when looking at the X100T that has the resolution of the X-T1s EVF makes me believe exactly the same what you just said. Would be nice to have the same magnification as the X-T1’s has though. But here lies the problem I think – that’s what Mr. Hondong was referring to I guess.
I hope people will stop harping on Fuji to go FF. These announcements so far has just put more credence that Fuji intends to go all out with the APS-C. We’re seeing releases of lenses already bordering on specialist use meaning not expected to sell boatloads but will ensure the mount is a real viable one against Canon, Nikon or Sony.
The problem is that a lot of APS/C photographers have never seen or experienced anything else but keep on fiercely discussing the requirement of 35mm sensors. Even if Fuji X can be considered as one of the better APS/C implementations in the market, all recent 35mm sensors outperform Fuji X hands down and allow you to manage shallow depth in a completely different manner. The X-Pro2 equipped with a decent FF like the A7-range or Leica M would play in a completely different league also regarding market acceptance. ‘Specialist use’ comes for me with the premium pricing, I’m not paying more money to receive average compact P&S functionality – in that case, there’s enough ‘big masses’ stuff at a lower price setting.
Personally I don’t cater to that view that market acceptance will require going FF. Just reading the reports, SLR type camera sales are down year on year and will continue as less and less users are printing their output. More and more images will get stored on the cloud for fast sharing with lesser importance on printing them. That’s why I sold my all my Nikon FX gear years ago. I am a hobbyist so I am only speaking as one.
To me, the Fuji APS-C lens lineup looks really more attractive than the E-mount FF one. I’m not talking about choice (E-mount will improve), but about size. Everything except 35mm seems to be enormous on FF mirrorless
There are people taking stunning images with Fuji X series cameras, including working professionals. For the majority of users, larger sensors than APS-C offer negligible benefits. What actually matters are great lenses (Fuji are leading here in the mirrorless world) and above all technique. No number of megapixels or the largest sensor on Earth will make a person a better photographer. All these gear nerds who want full frame seem to spend most of their time taking blurry pet photos and run-of-the-mill snap shots so it’s hard to take them seriously. There are plenty of people dumping full frame gear for X series cameras and if they’re willing to ‘downgrade’ to APS-C clearly Fuji is doing something right.
“Great lenses Fuji are leading”… this is just an assumption. It is all good stuff, but there is a lot of glass out there that is overall a lot better conceived and that has a far more interesting optical signature & character. On top of this, all Fuji lenses are purely computer stuff, as far as I known not one of them is having fast and silent ultrasonic drives as we’re used in the DSLR-world (the AF-behavior is nothing special or even solid here); this stuff is btw cheaper build than I initially thought (seen with my own eyes) and whether this significant investment has a true future value – well I doubt it. Another issue where Fuji has disappointed me very much. The invested money evaporates very quickly, the second hands market has no mercy for Fuji – they are no Leica, they are not even close to how Nikon or Canon gear depreciates over the years. After all, I dare to predict that over a period of 5 or 6 years the total cost of ownership of these mirrorless solutions will proof to be a lot higher and a lot less interesting than premium DSLR gear. Whether that choice is only for the sake of weight, form factor and sexy look worth your money, is of course your own decision, but I turned the handbrake on after quite a bit of quality issues I experienced – also with two lenses. They are for me in the ‘cooler box’ – let’s see whether they are still a credible solution over two or three years.
It’s not an assumption, I’ve owned Canon and Nikon lenses myself (along with Tamron, Sigma, Samyang and Tokina) and I’ve seen plenty of people favourably comparing their top grade glass with Fuji lenses. Stop bellyaching about Fuji (most of your comments seem to be complaints about Fuji) and go take some photographs, you’ll be a happier human being for it.
I’m shooting daily with two Fuji’s but also use DSLRs & a very wide variety of lenses (never zooms, but sometimes very specific glass!).
– «and allow you to manage shallow depth [of field] in a completely different manner.»
A completely different manner… Is one stop narrower DOF for a given aperture a completely different manner?
With very fast bright exceptionnaly good lenses available for the x bodies, I think the Fuji is far from lacking. The Fuji 16, 23, 35 and 56 are all 1.4 or brighter, which beat the Sony’s max apertures of 2.8 or 4 by two or three stops, resulting in a fuji advantage of 1 to 2 stops in the shallow DOF department.
– «all recent 35mm sensors outperform Fuji X hands down»
When the performance is already “more than enough”, outperforming it by tiny numbers is pretty meaningless.
We really need an improved sensor with better iso range (100-6400 true native iso, at least! ) and a completely re-engineered flash management. The rest is optional.
Top wish list for the X-Pro 2 for me:
– 24 megapixel sensor
– Flip out screen
– Dual memory card slots
– View finder with same or similar magnification to X-T1
– Weather sealing
That sounds more like an X-T2.
While I’d certainly hope the X-T2 has those specs you’d expect the X-Pro 2 to have them as well if it’s going to retake the crown as the flagship model.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Nikon+D7100
So it seems like it is still a long way off to an X-Pro1 replacement.
It doesn’t seem they are going to release an X-Pro 2 ever. Too bad, I was waiting for it.
If Fuji keep making their primes bigger and bulkier with enormous hoods, there will be little future for a X-pro with an optical viewfinder 🙁
Why? It’s fun to see the lens inside the viewfinder. And, beyond 14mm to the one side and 85mm to the other side, the OVF makes no sense at all anyway. We use the OVF because it’s fun, not because we really depend on it. Do you?
I do actually. At least I do on my X100S. And it seems the first three x-mount lenses was made with an OVF in mind. But the size of the 23mm, with that enormous hood, was a clear sign that Fuji was moving away from the OVF. That’s all good if the majority of users are happy with an EVF. But I don’t mind admitting that I started using Fuji’s because they were the only affordable Leica alternative with a decent quality. My guess is, I’m not the only poor Leica wannabee out there 🙂
50/50 for me when I had the X100. I too would, if I could afford, want a Leica. I know how to properly expose and always shoot full manual. I also have no issues with manual focus either as I like to zone focus for street (but take the lazy way out). The OVF is very valuable and adds to the enjoyment of using the camera. I feel it is the younger digital generation that just does not get it and that’s to bad. The real queston for me is what audiance Fuji is targeting with each camera. A tool for specific segments, not do it all cameras. Fuji, clearly define who you are selling to and please that customer.
How about a very small selection (3 to start) of smaller manual focus lenses? Without the AF motor this could be feasible. Assuming that an X100T like OVF with electronic focus assist would be placed in an X-pro2, that could keep a lot of people happy. Give me a high quality 23mm f/2 manual focus lens and a well thought out X-pro2 please 🙂
I hope they don’t pander to hobbyists in this way. Much rather they concentrate on producing equipment that can be used professionally, which means it requires AF.
There are plenty of old MF lenses available that can be used with an adapter for the small minority of people who like to do that.
You can’t find old MF lens in the range of 10 – 24…
particularly for architecture you shoot f8. no need of AF nor rush to focus fast! Concentrating on equipment for professionals means.. quality sensor, megapixels and focus speed (in variable lighting conditions) that’s what fuji will face soon, as their lenses are OK already!!
Next 2 years will be interesting for us and challenging for fuji
My perspective is as a wedding photographer. Megapixels are fine at 16 for me, but I would like 12800 ISO RAW files with not too much noise.
As for the 10-24mm lens, surely this would be too wide for an OVF in any case. We already have a wide angle zoom in that range which is excellent, and you can use it in MF if you want to.
Perhaps something in this range will be forthcoming from Rokinon/Samyang/etc. They already do some very nice high quality (and cheap!) MF wide angles. I’m not sure that the AF motor is the problem in most cases, more the ever widening minimum aperture.
I’d definitely be on board with some cheaper, smaller aperture AF primes – 56mm f1.8 perhaps? More in the price bracket of the original primes. We have the 60mm 2.4 (which I’m seriously considering), but the AF is a weak point.
Do you still use an abacus to calculate? Chisel your notes in stone? No, then why are you so afraid of an EVF?
I am not afraid of EVFs. That’s why I bought the X-T1. I just don’t like it very much. And I am not saying Fuji should stop making X-T1s or X-E2s. I just hope Fuji continues to develop the only afordable camera with an OVF and interchangeble lenses. Are you afraid of that?
Dear Fuji- The longer you wait to release the X-Pro2, the more you make your customers (who desperately want to remain loyal) look elsewhere. I love my X-Pro for all of the reasons that so many others do, but it needs a refresh- it wasn’t ready for prime time when released, but it still has gained a great following.
The reason you have so many left in inventory is because of all of the bugs in it that have since been worked out in other cameras and firmware. Put all of that innovation into 1 camera and get it in our hands already. Outside of Leica, no one is making such a great camera, with exceptional lenses.
If you notice, the A7 (which many people will compare an updated x-pro to) keeps getting larger and larger native lenses, nullifying the advantage of that small full frame body. don’t go Sony’s route.
I love you, but you really need to release an update.
This is my situation, I’ve left it to late to get an Xpro1 and none of the other X models appeal to me. Does any onew have a good alternative?
The XT1 is far superior to the XP1. The EVF is so good it feels like an OVF without any of the drawbacks. Or if you prefer rangefinder style, the XE2 is a decent option.
I have X-E2 and I prefer it over T-X1, I even do not like its big EVF which needs my eye to go from left to right to see what’s in the image. X-E2 EVF has better size, yor eye see full of image, framing is better and quicker. I played with X-T1 but it does not touched me at all, I would not buy it even if it was for 50% of X-E2 price. But I am going to sell it and leave Fujifilm, I just can not stand anymore Fujifilm ignorance about X-E2 users… they announced many improvements for X-t1 in new firmware upgrade, all of them will have X-100T too and even X-100S will receive them, but not X-E2 which is going to get only remote control and intervalometer. X-E2 is great camera but suffers from some serious issues, like high iso jpeg plastic look, magneta cast, weak AF in not contrasty scenes, foliage, X-E2 users have been asking Fuji to fix and improve them from camera release and now we hear from Fujifilm they decided to bring only RR and intervalometer to X-E2.
I think x-t1 interfered between x-e2 and x-pro2 as catcher for more dslr fans. The x-t1 body has nothing to do with the retro-mirror less look and has terrible buttons- to me that’s RUSH ! The thing is that we invest in lenses and change to another system is always pain…
good luck Andre
Fuji haven’t actually announced their intentions for a new firmware for the X-E2 (unless I’ve missed something?) – it’s all just speculation at the moment. Nobody knows for sure what will be in it. If I were you I’d sit tight for the moment.
If you have a magenta cast, why not remove it by adjusting the white balance setting (I can do this on my xe1, so it should be possible on an xe2.
Well, that would be great – a much-improved EVF and OVF is necessary. However, they better be thinking about a new sensor for the X-Pro 2 as well, as most people will not pay $1500 – $1700 for a camera with the same recycled sensor.
And, as much effort as they have put into designing very good film simulations, I still can’t believe they keep ignoring the need for a fuji-designed bare-bones converter or the ability to convert the files to 16-bit TIFF in camera, so we can use those simulations without using a lossy file format.
Given what Fujifilm will charge for the 16-55mm, it is a definite no sale for me without OIS. The extra 2mm and constant 2.8 are not worth it. Constant 2.8 zooms are for low light and Fujifilm just hobbled its low light capabilities. If OIS is worth 3-4 stops, then handheld, I’m at about the same place no matter which lens I use.
Unless the subject is in motion…
Dear Fuji, for your next upgrade, you need to improve your AF and got the same way as the sony A6000 with phase AF all over the sensor! an Eye-AF!
Do you guys listen to yourself? Fuji has brought us so many new, innovative and truly beautiful cameras and lenses in the past few years, they are part and maybe leader of the whole mirrorless revolution, with new products every other month. And all I read here is stuff like ‘We need this’, ‘they have to do that’, ‘if they don’t come up with blabla, I’m moving on…’. This is so crazy. If you don’t know what to do with your money, just go and make a donation somewhere. Are you not able to use the same camera for more than 6 months?
I love my X-pro 1 and I don’t give a damn about if or when an X-pro 2 appears.
Cheers.
Really, good to read this perspective.
People also need to consider the fact that it takes time to develop these cameras and lenses. Fuji has been hard at work rolling out new lenses and cameras to build a complete system in only a couple of years, and they’ve done a great job at it.
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So what to do if your Fuji. Some of your customers love rangefinder style cameras, others SLR style and all want a new and better sensor before they will part with their cash. On top of that who is to say that the XPRO 2 will not be more XT1 in style given the success of the XT1. Somewhere in Fuji land someone has a very big call to make. All I hope for is that the XPRO 2 has a cracking sensor and a larger view finder, the rest will be a pleasant bonus.
Personally, I have 2 XE1s, an X100s and an XT1, have no preference between ‘rangefinder style’ and ‘dslr style’, but I can say that the XT1 benefits from a much better viewfinder than the others, and an ISO dial, which is very handy. I also like the battery grip on the XT1.
I also feel that for fuji, there is a lot more money to be made converting canikon users, than leica users.
They are very close to converting me, a Nikon user.
When the 140-400 comes to the market, I will sell all my Nikon equipment
Yes, Fuji is in an interesting position. Retro-loving, rangefinder-loving photographers put them on the map and provided the initial buzz and sales momentum that allowed Fuji to move forward with the X-system. Yet the DSLR-loving market seems so much larger and more lucrative based on existing market shares. On one hand you should dance with the one who brung you; on the other, you are a business looking to maximize your customer base. As I look at what Fuji has done and read what they are saying, I don’t get the sense that an X-Pro 2 is a foregone conclusion.
Dear Fuji, never mind the X-Pro2, where’s my hoverboard? If I don’t get my way soon, I’m going to move back to Canon. And if I leave Fuji, all my attention-seeking, narcissist buddies will leave, too.
hehe, Fuji… I am serious this time! I’m mad as hell, and I’m not gonna take it! 🙂
If Fiji could keep price for this zoom at $900, people should be happy
I expect pricing closer and slighter higher to the 10-24 f4. f2.8 zoom isn’t an easy (cheap) lens to make.
Captain Obvious speaking: I think we’ll see the X-Pro2 at CP+ in January.
The X-Pro 2 is feeling more and more like the mythical Canon EOS 3D that Canon fans have been discussing for a decade. You may be correct but I don’t think it is a foregone conclusion.
There’s a difference: Canon’s myth lived entirely within their fandom. Fuji, on the other hand, are actively participating.
If they haven’t decided which sort of viewfinder it will have yet, no chance it will be ready by January,
Have you noticed a trend lately? Fuji is showing mockups to keep people interested. So… We might see a mockup in January. If we don’t, that might as well be the end of the X-Pro line.
Typically when Japanese use words like “possible” it is so we do not commit to anything. It is a nice way of saying no without losing face or starting conflict. Japanese always leaves an out to me this sounds more and more like Fuji is saying they are going in a different direction.
This isn’t exclusively Japanese treat.
PS: In context of this thread, are you implying that Fuji is Japanesier than Canon?
Agreed. I’m a little disappointed in that they have not worked out what they want to do with the viewfinder in the XP2.
The plurality of people who want a 16-55 at $800 or less are kidding themselves if that is really their expectation.
Yeah, you don’t see any other major brand lens of similar sort (crop or 35mm) at that price.
(Not long ago bought a brand new EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS from Hungary, paid 600EUR. OK, it’s not 15-55/2.8… But still no TCL-X100 to buy anywhere in Hungary or Serbia – this is my bigger concern now)
all wishful thinkers who complain about pricing when it’s a high quality big aperture lens. Or complain about low quality small aperture lens when the price is low. lol
Combining XT1 EVF and X100T OVF for XP2 sounds like it would result in very complex and complicated system. But since there will be no hard ware updates for XP1S and article states “potential” XP2 (I think I understand potential) it sounds like Fuji has no plans yet to make camera. Had hopes at least January announcement but don’t think that will happen. It also looks like no XE3 any time soon either.
Yeah that’s interesting about the X-E3 as that x-e1 had a year life span…and there have been no rumours about a xe3
I never use X-E but it has seemed like it always been Fuji’s best or at least popular camera. I get feeling X-T is where most Fuji resources will go from here.
Maybe the XE line will continue for those that want rangefinder style cameras, and the XT will be the higher end camera with water seals, better EVF, fast AF etc. Seems sensible as the XE is slightly more compact, ideal to take on holiday etc. Personally, I’d like to see a pro line above the XT as well, but not the current xpro style, more like a XT1 but with grip inbuilt, 2 card slots, faster shutter/sync and increased durability.
xpro 2 this is not news everyone knows that will have the best of all cameras fuji.
The camera lens price formula follows closely the Design/Print triangle equation
It goes something like this, you have PRICE, QUALITY, SPEED. You can have 2, but you’ll sacrifice on the 3rd.
Want a QUALITY PRINT in 3 DAYS? It’ll be VERY EXPENSIVE.
Want a CHEAP PRINT in 3 DAYS? Quality will be horrible.
Want a QUALITY PRINT done CHEAPLY? It’ll take days/weeks/months.
Same with a lens. PRICE, QUALITY, SPEED (F-stop/Aperture)
16-55mm F2.8-F4 at less than $750? the 18-55mm F2.8-F4 is $699 Retail… well, you do the math on the rest.
I like FujiRumors. But putting a mock-up of a mock X-Pro2 on the homepage during photokina is a bit annoying.
It’s funny how people are complaining about the size of the lenses….. you have any idea how big and heavy the nikon 24 70 2.8 is? Come on…..
Yes. I have had three of them. That’s why I went to Fuji so I didn’t have to lug that around.
Also 24-70 is a FF lens. I let rest of the (see I use word “the” so people can stop complaint about that) crowd argue that point of comparing apple to apple.
Couldn’t agree more. The 18-55 is already there for people who want a very compact, sharp and responsive standard zoom, with IS.
Well, how about making the X-Pro2 a REAL rangefinder camera (as far as I know only Leica makes real digital rangefinders now) plus giving it an exceptional EVF (like the one in the X-T1) – gotta make the OVF outstanding or there’s less and less a point of having a Pro series.
I agree. And put the “quality” of the EVF/OVF at #1, and concerns about “size” at #2. Make it 10% bigger than the X-Pro1. And people who want a mini-sized pocket camera get a 20% discount coupon for the X-M1.
a REAL rangefinder means a mechanical coupling which the X-mount doesn’t have. They’ll have to create a whole new mount. I believe the future of X-series OVF manual focus is to have a small translucent Electronic focus box (like the Rangefinder off-set focus box) right in the middle of the OVF. THEN it’ll be the closest you’ll get to a mechanical coupled rangefinder.
I would have preferred an X-Pro1T instead of a X-Pro2. Maybe Fuji will change its mind again.
Well Fuji, at least you can say that there is enough anima when people are talking and writing about the X-Pro series. Still, there’s one thing, as an excited Fuji-user, I would like to say to you. A lot of photographers, amateur and pro, have switched or got into the X-madness thanks to your X-Pro1. A beautiful compact retro (read: rangefinder) style camera with good qualities and good lenses to use with it. With the coming of the X-T1 you have appealed to even more potential users because of the more SLR-style look (still retro, because that has proven to sell) Not to mention that of course it is a very good camera again which has improved a lot comparing to your first flagship. But please consider that a lot of those early adopters are starting to feel left out in the cold because the X-T1 is not a X-Pro2, it is another good camera that will surely make you a lot of money since it is for another market segment. Beware though that you don’t loose the early adopters, those that made your brand grow because they all talked about how much they loved your X-Pro1, how good it was compared to much of the camera’s out there. Firstly, it wouldn’t be considerate. Secondly, there is still a lot of us that are willing to buy and invest in an X-Pro2. Of course I don’t doubt that you know that, and I’m guessing that if you bring out a new X-Pro camera, you want it to be the best possible camera in its segment, but it would be nice to communicate more clearly about it instead of using words like “possible” or “maybe”. That way a lot of us can decide to wait or to move on.
Patrick, you should make sure your votes offer a complete set of choices. The question “Will you buy the 16-55mm without OIS?” could use an option like “I won’t buy it either way.” Or people who don’t want to buy it anyway but want to take part in the vote will vote for “No.”
In the second question it is not really clear to me if you want to know
– how much I would spend on the lens at most or
– what I think is a fair price or
– what I think the price will most likely be.
good point… to late for this poll, but will keep it in mind for the next one, thanks
if they can’t do the x-t1 evf without compromise to the x100t-like ovf hybrid (which i think is clunky anyway), then leave out the ovf altogether. i could care less about an ovf. make that lever act as a timer.
if you don’t care about the OVF, then the XPRO line is NOT for you. I EXTREMELY care about an OVF. I have NOT and will NOT get an XT1 because it doesn’t have an OVF.
Thank you.
It’s OK to have the 16-55 without OIS, if Fujifilm gets in-house stabilization in he coming cameras. Fujifilm should also introduce a x-t1s/x-t2 with in-house stabilization (I am not interested in the x-pro2 because I like the design of the t model better)
Dear Patrick,
I suggest the question should be
“If 16-55 become bigger and heavier with OIS, will you buy? ”
I guess Fuji will like to know the answer ：）
Imagine a 16-55 f2.8 with superb image quality, sharpness and bokeh? if that’s the trade-off with OIS, well, I surely can live with that… It would make a very nice polyvalent lens, if the quality is noticeably better than the 18-135.