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Preamble: Working on full frame camera rumors is very tough, actually because of a reason you might be very happy to hear about. Sony wants to launch at least three new full frame cameras within the next 12-18 months and there are many prototypes they are currently testing. And I need to do a lot of work to order the small bits of info I receive. Sometimes it’s not easy to understand what kind of feature will be for what kind of camera
The first rumor (SR5): But I finally got top news from top sources. First, it is 99% sure that the first Sony full frame SLT camera will be the A9x with a 24 Megapixel sensor. Sony is currently testing two different prototypes, one with a 24 Megapixel sensor and very high fps (frame per second) and one with a couple of more Megapixel (with a bit less fps). It seems very likely that Sony will opt for the 24 Megapixel sensor. I guess this makes indeed more sense (who cares about 3-4 Megapixel more?).
The second rumor (SR4): The second full frame camera which will very likely have a 36 Megapixel sensor will be announced right after the A9x. I am not sure yet about the timing as Sony hasn’t chosen the exact date yet. Could be before summer if all goes well. That camera will very likely have a built-in vertical grip and compete against the newly announced Canon 1D X.
And that’s not all! There is a third full frame model in the works. More about that camera will be posted soon on SAR!
Meanwhile, if you can help me with rumors contact me at sonyalpharumors@gmail.com. Use the contact form you see on the right sidebar if you want to send a message anonymously. Thanks! I really need every piece of info you can send me!
One more important thing: I repeat, the sources all seem to be extremely excited about the coming FF cameras. There will be many innovations, many new things you haven’t seen before on any camera. And all will have the new SLT technology (no optical viewfinder).
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Zeiss 24mm f/1.8 [shopcountry 8450].
Sony 50mm f/1.8 [shopcountry 8448].
Sony 55-210mm [shopcountry 8444].
NEX-5n viewfinder [shopcountry 9110].
Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources
SR5=almost certainly correct!
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really hope its FF wit less MP probably 16-18MP.. sigh.
Awesome news!
Amazing! I can’t wait!!
I do not know what to make of this. I think introducing 3 camera’s in FF line is too much for Sony to get going, fabrication wise. The difference in the two models I can see, one with the current, but upgraded, 24Mpx in the A77 body. And one with a new 36Mpx (equivalent to the 16Mpx APS-C sensor) for more studio/landscape work.
I personally would love an upgraded 24Mpx sensor in a A77ish body with an improved viewfinder, mirrorlockup and two stops of improved ISO and DR handling. 24Mpx for me is more than enough. Owell time will tell.
This is what I think/hope should/will happen.
1. That competes with the 1dx i.e. a very good all around camera. Good for photo journalism, good for sports, good for events, good for wedding etc.
2. one studio camera that would compete with a Leica S2 type camera
3. One full frame nex camera
a850 has mirror lock up. slt cameras have no mirror
An E Mount FullFrame NEX Sony!!!
A 24MP FullFrame Sensor in the NEX7 Body, Call It The NEX9!!!
does a FF sensor fit on E-mount?
Yes, I’d read somewhere from a Sony representative E-Mount has been constructed to make this possible, nevertheless they have no plans to do this so far. But since they rarely offer NEX lenses for APS-C these days I doubt they’ll ever go for full frame, especially because many users like me would prefer to use old manual full frame lenses anyway. So after Nikon missed this chance I would expect Canon to serve the mirrorless full frame market in the near future, simply because they have their massive full frame lens range already…
Sony has apparently already stated that a FF NEX would require a new mount.
i know, it was a retorical question 😉
I wasn’t replying to you! 😉
IMO i think its kinda stupid to do that … then they have to make full frame lenses for two mounts!! If i was an owner of a NEX-9/8 i would want an A-mount nex… I wouldnt have to carry two different lenses
you could use a converter ring i guess, but this would mean Sony will focus on making two different mounts for FF… its bad enough they focus on A-mount
focus on one mount sony thats my advice for FF
Built-in vertical grip is a deal buster. Too big and bulky, I find a Medium Format camera fits me better than a Canon 1D/1Ds or a Nikon D3/D3s/D3x. So I guess I’ll be looking at the 36Mp Nikon D800 (I already have Nikon lenses).
Like!
My thoughts exactly. I dont know why anyone would want an integrated grip unless shooting sports exclusively.
The D800 won’t be 36MP I would bet a couple of my Zeiss primes on that! I think that rumor is BS or a deliberate leak by Nikon, it wouldn’t make any sense at all with what has gone in the past and Nikon would not want to confuse their customers and piss off D3x users. Expect a 24MP in the D800 and they’re probably saving that 36MP for the D4x, that would be logical and Nikon is all about Logic and routine (one of the reasons I prefer Sony with their wildcards!!)
The 36mp sensor makes perfect sense, if you followed the latest canon announcement. They started to merge their 1D line into one camera and so will Nikon. I expect the D4 not to be split into a D4S and a D4X, but rather have one D4 for high ISO/fps and a D800 for high resolution. We’ll see the same with canon, the 5D MK3 will come at an increased price level, and a higher mp count.
The interesting part is, that with a substantial more expensive D800/5D MK3, the gap to the APS-C cameras gets bigger – in my opinion big enough to launch a 35mm sensor in a D7000/D60 sized body with a price tag around/a bit above a D400/7D.
D7000 body is one of my favorite DSLR bodies, Sony FF sensor is one of my favorite sensors.
But will it blend?
I like the built-in vertical grip on my 1D Mark II N. People tend to buy grips anyways and most cameras become bulkier with VG anyways (not to mention the creaky seam which is an open ingress point for dust and moisture). Not as much space inside is wasted on connecting “stalk” either.
Yes yes yes!!! @Mecha Herc, please stop winging! 24MP full frame is perfect for pretty much everyones needs, high iso should be v.good at that res. A few weeks ago we were looking at a 36MP FF and nothing else, this was dissapointing me, this however is great news!! 16MP full frame is never gonna happen, Canon suprised everyone with 18MP, looks like that will be mainly aimed at Photojournalists and Sports maybe a few wedding togs for me personally, my wedding clients often order large canvases so 24MP is the magic number. I’d love to see binning to 8MP for an insanely fast high iso sports cam option, that cam burst at 14fps for 45seconds!! hope ur reading this sony!!
“I’d love to see binning to 8MP for an insanely fast high iso sports cam option, that cam burst at 14fps for 45seconds!! hope ur reading this sony!!”
At those rates you better hope if the shutter is mechanical that it is rated @500,000 then.
🙂
SLTPro said:” looks like that will be mainly aimed at Photojournalists and Sports maybe a few wedding togs”
It’s for the Olympic..
Oh yeah, forgot to ask Sony, can we please see 14bit readout and RAW, canon have caught up now with the 1D X, it’s your turn now, you have the DSP tech (and probably more advanced than Canikon) so please do this and us togs can reap the benefits instead of seeing Nikon always squeeze that bit of extra juice out of your sensors!
Anything I have seen re 12/14bit raw suggests there is no real IQ advantage to 14bit.
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/forums/thread81.htm
http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/forums/thread81.htm
and only slow the cameras processing down.
14-bit really has joined the buzzword bandwagon recently, hasn’t it? I’ve seen nothing to suggest it offers a genuine and noticeable improvement over 12-bit.
Basic DSP maths buddy, increased dynamic range, the DXOmark results would concur with this too. Do you really think Canon would have moved to 14bit and all of it’s increased costs for the good of their health…!! And as for processing speed it’s a bit more complicated than that, it doesn’t slow down the camera at all.
Please show me some comparison shots that demonstrate the real-world advantage of 14-bit. Pixel peeping shots not accepted.
Show me a benefit of using a 24-70 over an 18-55 kit lens, pixel peeping not allowed.
In reply to LuckyNumberSlevin (why doesn’t your post have a reply button?):
I’m not sure what lenses have to do with this discussion, but in answer to your question, how about the availability of f/2.8 throughout the entire zoom range, better build quality and SSM motor? You don’t need to pixel peep to see those particular benefits. 😉
Hi Lotus Eater, it’s not really about pixel peeping or comparisons. When shooting in very challenging lighting conditions like I often am being able to have that extra bit of Range in a RAW file is always welcome to help with clipping and then shadows at each end of the extremes! I hope that makes some sense to you, I’m sure you know exactly what I’m talking about you’re just being difficult lol! 🙂
A friends of mine shoots with the D3x but also still has an original D3 and when looking at his RAW files from the two cameras you really can actually see that extra bit of dynamic range especially with really high contrast compositions. All I’m saying is If Sony can close the gap with Nikon when it comes to them getting better performance out of the Sony sensors then it will be better for all of us (you can’t really ague with that can you!?) Sony users and if some of that performance comes from the 14bit difference then so be it.
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/628%7C0/(brand)/Nikon/(appareil2)/604%7C0/(brand2)/Sony/(appareil3)/485%7C0/(brand3)/Nikon
In reply to SLTPro (I can’t reply directly to your post either!):
You make some valid points about dynamic range, and while the DXOmark results show 14-bit sensors from Nikon to have a *slight* advantage with DR, is this genuinely a problem for Sony in real-world situations? Many people claim there is no noticeable difference -beware of the placebo effect. Compare an A55 with an A580 (both use the same sensor) and you could conclude that the pellicle mirror has more of a negative impact on DR – almost a full stop – than using 12-bit A/D does. One might even surmise that 14-bit is pointless in SLT cameras if the pellicle mirror negates any advantage gained from using it.
@ Lotus Eater. Yes buddy I agree, I’m still sort of on the fenve with SLT, I use it on a weekly basis (2 A55’s) but I’m
hanging on to my A850 for now as at ISO400 and above the detail retention is so much better and with the new Camera RAW it gives my 5d II noise performance up to about ISO 2000 which is as high as I ever go, I also like the extra stop of DR but I understansd the A77 has this anyway?! However every other aspect of the SLT tech I love, don’t mind the EVF and I feel the benefits outweigh any negatives by far. I just reakly feel that SLT needs a very high performance FF sensor that has room to lose that little bit of light then it wouldn’t matter! It’s the old “how good is good enough” i’m confident with a new tech 24MP FF sensor we’ll hopefully see dxo scores around 25/14/2500ISO I suppose we have to see what the new 1dx sensor performs like as it will probably become the new low-mid resolution FF one to beat, i’m sure sony has one being pulled apart as we speak!!
My Canon 40D is 14 bit, with a Digic III image processor. Announced Aug 2007 and I got mine in Oct. The introductory price was $1,299.00.
Fourteen bit is old technology.
12-bit/14-bit is current technology, unless you can name an APS-C/FF camera that uses more than 14-bit A/D conversion.
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Lower than $3000 😉
My face http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_VheAwZBuQ
Any word if the SLT mirror has a lockup mode?
Damn. I was hoping for an a850 replacement at the $2000 price point.
2000 is under 3000 am I right? 😉 The hope is still out there.. hahaha
That was what I needed. If you have this one right, the drooling has begun… I look forward to the rest of the news. I hope the features I seek continue to appear! So far, 3/3 of the ones mentioned so far!
Price, resolution, and Lack of built in vertical Grip, and January! Sweet! I’m indifferent on SLT, I like both, after having used an SLT.
I hope they go with live view during high fps, if they are going to increase the frame rates. The pausing makes it difficult to track the subject in live sports. I’m betting Sony has this covered, if it will be a “Pro” capable solution!
Not everyone like vertical grip, dont built in please.
if its under 3k im definatly skipping the a77 and going from a700 to the a99. 24mp will be awesome and im sure the 36mp will be 5k + 24mp a99 not sure how much more you woudl want for studio even my a700 kicks ass in studio
Did you even read what was said? ONE Of the new units will have vertical grip and they are making THREE FF so that means two of them will not.
I hope Sony test the hell out of the prototype(s), perhaps have actual professionals use it (taped up like car test mules so it remains “discreet” in public) before releasing it. No bugs, no issues, good IQ, low noise/high ISOs. If anything is sub-par, go back to the drawing board. If it means some delays, then be delayed. Do it right, and NOT rush into releasing it.
Ken,
I have owned Nikon, Canon and now Sony and none of them have had major releases that didn’t have bugs. That is the nature of technology.
Expectation != reality
Your a programmer I see, and yes, I agree!
So it seems Sony will take seriously the PRO market, which is good, IMHO.
(I’m not a pro myself, but it’s nice to see a new player around)
But… how about releasing lenses to feed those people?
I’ve seen recently posts on Sony Forum about people wanting to shoot sports, since the A77 offers a high shutter speed, but then there’s the lack of long and fast lenses….
70-400G is not bad if your camera can go to iso1600 and higher with no IQ issues.
Well its time for Sony to get into Pro market (D and 1D rival). That way we might see better FF zeiss lenses being introduced!
Cool stuff… Sony pls get it right the first moment it hit the stores…..
I’m sure they will barring earthquakes,tsunamis,nuclear meltdowns and floods.
😉
Good news so far and it’s likely the 3rd f/f camera is a world best D-SLR ! 🙂
1D X KILLER!!!! For under $3000?
The A9x will be under $3000
Can I get a refund for my A77?
(T_T)
GAWD, I HOPE SO!
since a77 price SAR failed in prediction. no way again on this price speculation 😀
The 1D X is a pro’s camera and you won’t be able to compare it to a mid level camera. Maybe a D800 or 5D mkIII would be a better choice.
I do feel that Sony wants to enter this high-end pro market.. Admin confess your sins to me =D
A 36 MP cam with low fps should be a 1D X killer?
Only because it has a bulit in vertical grip?
And were is my 500 f4?
That’s exactly the reason why i jumped to Canon.
Just compare the a77 with the 7D:
The a77 shots also “only” 8 in normal mode, has worse image quality, and is more expensive. Some prefer a evf, other a ovf, but the other specsof the 7D are a lot better than those of the a77.
lol what?
7d specs better than a77?
a77 has more mp, faster fps, equal high ISO performance, two stops better dynamic range, better colours, better build quality, far superior video capability
7D only really “wins” on the buffer depth, but considering smaller sizes and slower fps it’s hardly a win
And 500 f4 was supposed to be january.. I guess it’ll be along with the new cameras early next year.
Is that why every review of the A77 basically says it’s the top dog (at the moment) of APS-C cameras? Look, the 7D is a great camera, but so is the D7000 and the A77. You may have reasons for jumping to Canon, but no need do disparage products that you don’t own and haven’t used. And I would not exactly say the 7D specs are better than the A77. Thay would be hyperbole, and while this is a rumor site, the admin strives to get to the truth. And it behooves you to do the same.
@David:
In my opinion even 18 MP on a APS-C Sensor is too much.
The a77 shoots 8 fps in manual mode (which I always use), just like the 7d.
The high ISO performance on the 7d is slightly better.
The Dynamic range is only better at ISO 100 on the a77, on 400 ISO the 7d is better.
And I don’t care much about video.
@Alzmazar80
OK, I looked from my point of view.
I PERSONALLY like the 7d more (ISO, DR).
But the a77 is a great cam of course!
The reason to jump ship was that Sony announced their 500mm a long time ago (2007 I guess) but it’s still not available. And if you look how expensive the 300 f2.8 from Sony is, I guess the 500 mm from Sony will be more expensive than that one from Canon.
And I didn’t buy the 7d. I bought a 1D Mark III. And Sony don’t has a cam like this (Or missed I something?)
PS: Sorry for my bad English
Lord o mighty!
You are one of those people who thinks the 10MP is all we ever need…
You could have gotten the A900!
500mm lens… if you got the 200mm f2.8 (which is cheaper then the 300mm f2.8) you will have the aps-c magnification of 1.5 and with the A77 smart teleconverter mode… 200×1.5×2 = 600mm
There you go, 6MP still shots with a 600mm magnification.
It’s everything you wanted, low pixel count and a very long zoom!
Not to mention it’s cheaper and weighs less…
You got to buy the lens that you need, then buy the camera to go with it. After all, most digital cameras are really capable of great imaging. In that context, a switch is beneficial for you. Most people don’t need those specialized lenses so camera/system choice becomes a personal preference.
@Alzmazar80:
That’s correct!
But of course you always want to have the best camera you can afford 😉
I have only two lenses (+ the 18-70mm) kit lens for my sony. And I still like Sony!
I love my A580 (MF Check live view on the tiltable screen) + my Sigma 105 for macro!
But (in my opinion) for shooting bird pictures Canon is better.
@loveandpeace:
And the quality of this combination? If you do so, you have a very small sensor!
And by the way: as much as I know, the smart tc doesn’t work in RAW mode.
Sony is good! As I wrote above (answer to Almazar80) I have only two lenses (+17-80 kit), so it was easy to switch to canon for Bird photography (Not more expensive than a a77 and the comming 500mm from Sony). For macro I’m still using my A580 and my Sigma 105 and I love this combination!
Yeah, I Canon killer for the 5 people on the earth who will actually buy it and takes pictures of something other than their cat at ISO 1600.
Pro’s use Canon & Nikon.
Tech HEads use Sony.
Yup its funny when people can take the same shots with less expensive equipment… you’ll get reactions like the one posted above…
sorry, I clicked the wrong button
yes, of course!! It will even let you fly when properly set up!!
3 FF cameras makes no sense for Sony (targeting consumers mainly) since the market is relatively small and the cost to put 3 models in the market and keep them in the market relatively high.
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Unless Sony suddenly decided to target the pro market. But even then 3 models seems a bit steep as a start, especially since a lot of pros would be wanting much more glass choice (fast long primes for example) too.
2 of these models may differ only by the sensor, so it will alleviate costs.
It seems that the pro market can absord two different cameras.
Look at Canon’s previous cameras (1D, 1Ds) and Nikons (Dx and Ds). Also, reading comments about the 1Dx, where Canon tried to get in-between those two grounds, studio photographers are already complaining that 18mp isn’t that much and were expecting something like the 36mp Sony/Nikon are promising.
So it could very well be, from Sony, that there are 2 pro cameras (one for sport, another for studio) and another lower end, for enthusiasts.
3 different bodies 2 sensors
A77 like body
Body with integrated grip
Nex7 like body
24MP surely new and not 2007 model
36MP
yes, but don’t forget Sony has a HUGE professional video company. It’s not all consumer products. Why would you say Sony only makes consumer cameras? They can’t branch out?
I was clearly talking about their still cameras, not their video cameras.
And in the still market, Sony has repeatedly stated they are not after the pro market (yet), which ofcourse is not to say no pro buys Sony cameras.
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It takes a lot more to enter the pro DSLR market than “just” 3 bodies. That’s my point. Think certain *glass* and support network for example.
Of course it makes sense. I’m pretty sure Sony can handle it.. they are an enormous company and make hundreds of products.
Some full frame users are enthusiasts, keen amateurs or working pros doing things like weddings, engagements etc. Things like an a900, 5d2 or d700 are perfect for those people. Most people can’t/won’t justify spending 5000+ on a d3x or 1dX – but companies (like journalism, reporting, media etc) will buy them for their employees.
The amount of products made by Sony has little relevance here. Same for the size of the company. What counts is the size of the market that’s a tiny one in comparison. There’s little money to make, but it requires huge R&D investments to compete in the pro market, especially if you start out with no pro support network an much less pro glass than the competition.
My credit card has just hidden itself in a corner and is refusing to come out ’til 2015 🙂
LOL
That’s right , no more “High resolution” BS….
What’s the point of having a larger sensor if you don’t get higher resolution? I would like a sensor that can record the finest details of the image from the best lens I have at its best aperture.
36 Mpix is nearer than 24, but I would prefer more.
High ISOs are of no great interest to me.
The sample images from the iPhone 4S show that very small pixels can give good results.
Where is the 50+ MP monster?? Scale up the new 24 MP APSC and the MP go way up! I think the translucent mirror will cause problems at that resolution so maybe 2013.
A lot of MP’s if you want to shoot fast and have many images in the buffer.
I am not sure I want such many MP’s…
BUT! Sony could be working with some new technology like pixel binning etc. And if we could choose to store e.g 6 MP RAW, 12 MP RAW, 24 MP RAW and 36 MP RAW that would be very interesting.
Anyway interesting, time will tell.
Any news about lenses?????????
for sure the third full frame will for NeX system 😀
Well, let´s wish that. It would be a bold, but logical step from Sony.
it will never happen
Well, it is what many are asking for. It would be a camera with little competition.
but it wouldnt be a nex, it would need a new mount and new lenses… all for a very small market, it will never happen
Why would it need a new mount? The E mount is wider than the mount for Exakta/Topcon film cameras, which were of course full 35mm frame.
If there is really a problem, why not make the sensor a couple of mm smaller – say 22x34mm ? It doesn’t have to be exactly full frame – but it would be better if it were, because wide angle lenses would then give their full angle of view.
no need to worry for that, sony nex FF can use many lens besides e-mount 🙂 and i think together with the presence full frame nex sony will introduction new full frame lens too 😀
anything can be possible, just remember for leica M9 a years ago.
it’s a big chance market and revolution technology
For sure? I think it’s extremely unlikely, considering a new mount is required. Ever wonder why the Zeiss 24mm e-mount isn’t a full frame lens?
+1 , I hope so!! 🙂
1st rumor –> SR4
2nd rumor –> SR3
Remember that SR4 is rumor from KNOWN sources, and SR3 is for 50% correct. So doesn’t mean that SR5 can be trusted more than SR4 etc. SR5 can be trusted more than SR3, but SR4 and SR2 are not in the scale. Remember the ‘second A7x’ rumor?
the 3rd camera will be the cheap one for enthusiast thats sad ;(((((
3 cameras make sense one at 2500 euros, the other 36megapixel at 3500 euros and the entry level FF at 1500…. with the 24 sensor
one for sports, the second for studio/landscape and the third for weddings/enthusiasts
I may cancel A77 and defect. it is obvious Sony are pampering to winging High ISO wannabes. with no high def model and unnecessary 24MP FF it is now unlikely there will be any support for the A77 and no 50+MP camera. many pros don’t need high ISO using studio lights or summer sports the etc I would use high pixel (with crop) but not high ISO. as there is no news on new Alpha lenses I suspect they will all be FF bulky overpriced and Slow unless even more overpriced. don’t get me wrong the 36MP camera will be great but overpriced and not as good as it could have been for me.
We have had to put up with people winging that A77 was not best for high ISO (I will be posting why that is a bit of a myth) Now its time for people to complane that FF are not high def. Sony did talk about a MF competitor. What rubbish.
Whoa, how did you draw all of those conclusions from one rumor? How can you possibly know it will be overpriced when Sony cameras still provide the best bang for buck. And the last full frame cameras from Sony were the cheapest around.
Plus, 36mp is still a crazy amount. I don’t think its pandering to the high ISO idiots.. its still 50% more resolution than the last gen 24mp sensors. I don’t think anyone will be making a 50mp full frame for a few years yet.
look at D3, D3s D3x. I know they are Nikon but the patern in the industry is consistent. the unnecessary 24MP will be the cheepy so the 36MP will be a premium product. I hope I am wrong. but my point is that as a result of winning about A77 v nex-5n Sony have gone to the opposite extreme. Think about it indoors in low light 24 MP fine outdoors in daylight the A77 is actually better(longer lenses for long range etc) so photographers that do there photography outdoors in daylight or in doors with flash or studio light will have no sensible FF option but 36MP and that may not be good enough to make up for cost (I would rather spend extra £2000+ on lens or lighting.)So stupidly Many photographers will be better served with the A77 then any Sony FF.
The point is that people value different things and you have to compromise somewhere.
Some people want all-out resolution. Others want something like the d700 with a very low pixel count and better high ISO. Others want something in the middle.
You can’t say 24mp is pointless, any more than you can say 36mp or 48mp is pointless. It depends why you are buying it.
Just be patient and wait. Sony might surprise you.. they have in the past!
Also, it’s “whining” – sorry but the several different version of mis-spelling was annoying me :p
being dyslexic annoys my but I don’t go around mocking disabled.
and you made my point! it depends what you need 36MP is mid range at best for today’s tech. 24 is certainly less point for most than 54 would be but no high pixel count at all. if 24 was that good why did A77 not have 10Mpx
Why wouldn’t 36mp be good enough? There are professional photographers shooting for fashion magazines with the a900, a850, 5d mk ii etc so how in your imagination is 36mp not enough? You can print out a A4 sized image from a crop sensor that is good enough to be submitted to a high end fashion magazine then why wouldn’t it be good enough for a hobbiest? I am a little puzzled by your statement.
36mp would be good enough for many jobs. But bear in mind that this is 36 Mp with a Bayer mosaic, so the Red channel will be only 8 Mpixels. There will probably still be moirees on some fabrics.
If you scan in a transparency shot on a Hasselblad, you need at least 60Mpix to do it justice – and that is without a Bayer mosaic. We ought to be aiming to at least equal Hasselblad film quality as of 40 years ago.
If you’re going to cancel the A77 and defect, who are you going to defect to exactly? Who else is doing 50+MP FF cameras?
Remember when the internet didn’t exist? There were no public forums for lunatics.
have you seen images shot from a medium format on fabrics? You definitly do get moire on that. The benefit of medium format and more mega pixels is ability to blow up to larger sizes. I would say if you are doing high end retouching i.e. dodge and burn etc then you can push that further. But I doubt the average joe will be doing anything of that nature. Eitherway though, I am hoping for a studio camera from sony that matches the Leica S2 at the least, then I will be happy.
you have never shot with a hassleblad on a fashion shoot have you? I assure you, moire does not magically disappear with a medium format camera. That is a lot of post production tricks to get that to go away. There is a great article on this very subject by a fashion photographer named Ben Kanarek, who shoots with a pentax aps-c model by the way. He shoots for elle, vogue, l’homme and many high end fashion magazines. The medium format is good for 2 things. If you want to go very large (well larger than a A4 and if you are going to heavily retouch the image i.e. dodge and burn etc. then you will need the mega pixels for the image to stand up to that abuse. Also if you want to crop in heavily. Most images you see shot for quality magazines are not shot with a medium format. a 36mp camera will do more than enough justice and be submit able to a magazine
Hopefully the new a9x comes with a new Zeiss 24-105 f4 kit lens.
Or a new 35 1.4
That would be heaven 😀
i was kind of hoping for the upgradded 28-135
tho i think i woudl more like the range of 30-150
3.5-4.5f or jsut fixed f4
+1000
We can only dream.
24 MP full frame is good enough for ISO freaks. 36 MP is the same as what Nikon will be using – be content with just sale of your sensors to Nikon. I hope the third one edges to the super high resolution/high detail category and truly dwarfs the Canikon offerings. Sony cannot dent Canon and Nikon sales by trying to be Canikon – they should stick with radically different products/pricing and hence my hope for a high MP beast. I hope they realize that all the recent hype about Sony is a result of Nex and SLTs, something the A900 could not do despite being excellent – have to have the X factor to pull the Canikon crowd.
@David: Or even better a zeiss 35mm F2.0!
2nd ff release to go heads up with the newly announced canon fullframe, native iso51,200?? just keeps getting better n better. please make the third fullframe a mirrorless. does not have to be nex-type. it can be a a-mount professional mirrorless. or it can be a e-mount(full frame junior, just barely smaller than full frame but small enough to squeeze into the e-mount).
+1! It would be great to have the third as a mirrorless Nex type camera – that is different from Canikon – that gives you a million reasons to come to buy it cz ders no rival. Common Sony – innovate the sh*t out f Canikon
Admin. Will there now be ANY alpha lenses before FF arrive or has A77 already been abandoned ?
I hope there will be some FF camera without mirror or/and classic DSLR camera. I’m in Sony/Minolta system, I want buy FF camera but I don’t want SLT technology!
Same here. I need a V-grip and FF sensor with no acrylic crap in the middle
. The rest is for those who never take time to learn the craft.
For Chuck Norris types like yourself, manual focus should suffice after removing the mirror. The rest will be in total awe, while you show us how it’s done.
Indeed. I use manual focus 60% of the time. When you pay 20$ for development and print of a 36 exposure roll, you will start thinking about all those little things that make up a shot before pressing the button.
I’m surprised they don’t pay you to use their film.
I will be doing a post explaining why SLT and A77 in particular are better than unfair tests show. but unfortunately it looks like Sony have listened to the loawd mouths and you will all get your 24MP nex-9 but I wont get a FF A77 or APS-C lenses to go with my A77. that is IF I get one now.
Dude they *JUST* released two new alpha cameras and an incredibly versatile 16-50/2.8
What APS-C lenses do you (think you) need?
And fwiw, I think the FF cameras will be based on the a77. OLED EVF, similar layout and build quality with weather sealing, video capability etc. Just a larger sensor, maybe upgrading the EVF again and some extra features.
yes I like the new kit lens but that is it. There is no hint of a matching telephoto. Minolta beercan is better for me than anything Sony make. A 70-200/F4 weatherproof or an F4 APS-C version of 70300G or ANY Good APS-C Tele-Zoom. Sony seem to be going down the FF or E only root. There is no sign of the partner to 16-50 that was indicated might be coming. IF we now have news of FF cameras next spring and still nothing for APS-C support I don’t see it arriving in the shops before this time next year. So what APS-C do I want? well apart from the 16-50 Sony only make cheepy no Compact cheepER Quality lens. not one. ANY tely Zoom that doesn’t cost an arm an a leg ang weigh as much. the bulky but good 70300G is my only possible option BUT A77 is 24 MP so faster lenses help a F4 APS-C version would not be difficult. Minolta in the past and Canon now find it easy to make affordable F4 tele zooms non from Sony
Well, I can give you quite a list of lenses I think not only I need/want, since other people have other wishes/needs but I give it a try:
Zeiss:
upgrade the 85 1.4 and 135 1.8 with SSM
new: 50 f1.4 Planar SSM, 35 f1.4/2.0 Distagon SSM; 100 f2.0 Makro-planar.
Sony (some zeiss/sony lenses are interchangeble):
new 35/f1.4/2 G SSM
new 50/f1.7/1.4 (G) SSM
70-200 f4 G SSM
70-300 f4 G SSM
200 f something SSM Macro
All macro’s SSM
APS-C: cheaper wide angle prime (ala 20mm), 16-105 f4 SSM
All G lenses wheaterproof including existing 70-200 f2.8
How about video? AVCHD 2.0?
Any news on a possible “flip up” mirror mode?
I am getting an A900 with a grip as soon as it goes on sale. All that SLT/video/high fps crap will make things bulky, expensive, and power hungry.
All pro shooters need are: alloy body, V-grip, fast writing speeds. Sony has a great sensor and a great body already(a900/a850). Just add a grip to it and improve the buffer/writing speeds.
Newsflash, SLT technology makes things less bulky and less pricey for a given level of speed and features.
True about the bulk, but wait for a FF SLT with comparable to A900 qualities and it will cost a lot more than A900 on release(3000$).
Why should an SLT full frame cost more than one with a moving mirror? Unless they implement a mirror lock up (which would be great).
Larger OLED and larger mirror will cost more and drain battery faster. Also there will be more issues with IQ to solve. Large flexible mirror wil be subject to shape change with temperature changes which may produce some errros in AF and artifacts in IQ.
Damn right. I *LOVE* my a850 and Zeiss lenses.
Seriously, every time I use it I’m impressed. Huge viewfinder is a dream to use. The focus is incredibly quick and accurate even though it’s “only” 9 point AF. That centre point will lock anything, any time!
And the image quality, colours, dynamic range, contrast and details coming from the a850 and zeiss combo is incredible.
I would love an updated 850/900. Big bright EVF with customisable information, improve the high ISO a bit, update it with live view and video.. sorted. Plain and simple camera 😀
Well said.
+1
Admin,
exact launch date pls. Counter ready to count down 😀 lol….
IDK… if sony is planing on releasing 3 ff models why not make one an optical view finder? One of my employees just bought an A77 (shipped yesterday). I need to get my hands on it. I am very weary of losing my big bright A900 view finder. Not everybody who reviewed the oled was 100% behind it. I’m fine with 24mp really is alot and works great in my studio.
Probably because three similar cameras are easier to manufacture.
I also love the a900 OVF, but I think a big bright EVF can be just as good and has a ton of advantages. Getting a live histogram, gridlines, spirit level etc in the viewfinder would be so useful. Never have another tilted shot or bad exposure.. that’s amazing. Plus being able to see in low light is a welcome benefit.
When does Sony get rid of the translucent mirror.
Look at the Nex7 vs A77 pictures, its a shame what this mirror does.
Nikon has the phase AF on the chip in the 1 series, when does Sony release a camera like that ??
And for different models, please give us something like 24MPix highISO and maybe 36Mpix high resolution.
24MPix on a FF should be even better than the Nex5n which is amazing.
And 36MPix should be enough resolution even for very demanding tasks.
Pros will never embrace TMT. It simply can not be made perfect. Loss of light and refraction will exist forever. After spending thousands on Zeiss glass, it is crazy to allow a piece of acrylic film to be in the light path.
Well said!
And this is all done for what?…auto focus?
I disagree. If you can make up for the loss of IQ with a better sensor, it doesn’t matter.
You could say the same for filters, which I know a lot of people use in front of their lenses.
Hell, what about lenses that use 9 elements or lenses that use 16 elements? Couldn’t that be said to impact IQ too? It’s kinda a silly argument IMO. Go by the end result, not the method. If an SLT camera delivers results, it doesn’t matter that maybe it *could* have been slightly better.
And the a77 autofocus looks extraordinarily fast from the videos I’ve seen – definitely an advantage of feeding extra light to the AF sensors.
Filters are removable. SLT mirror is not.
Lenses can be changed based on needs. SLT can’t.
It just seems funny that we bust our butts buying highest quality glass we can get. We want to the best clarity and contrast that money will buy us. Yet, we don’t question the quality of a plastic square in front of our sensor.
We shoot with the fastest lenses we can get to gather a many photons as we can. Only to divert 30% for the purpose of phase detect auto focus?
I dunno….its a high price to pay for something id rather switch on and off.
THen, I have to say, the SLT cameras are not for you. Maybe if they offered an SLT version of mirror lockup. The SLT is not a glitch, it’s not a bug, it’s the feature.
Sony will not make new DSLR anymore, period. If one doesn’t like SLT and doens’t want to buy the A580 of the discontinued A900/850 then Sony is not the place to go, unless you want a NEX or, what I expect, a mirrorless, a-mount FF, but with slower-than-SLT AF.
Very true. I like SLT for some applications…but not 24/7.
Would anybody with SLT today be furious and hate Sony if they gave you a mirror “flip-up” button?
How many people would leave Sony and call SLT a failure if flip-up option existed for YOU to choose when you want phase detect AF?
I don’t mind shooting with a $2000 lens with a plastic square behind it…sometimes. But I don’t want that FORCED on me everyday.
I’m going VG 20 next month.
No TMT introduces artifacts that have nothing to do with the sensor quality. Better sensor will only pick up more of these artifacts.
Crazy comment!! Even the worst estimates say 2/3 of a stop of light is lost due to SLT. A standard UV filter will absorb more than that and an ND8 filter will take away 5 times as much light. Are you saying pros don’t use filters?
Would you buy an f1.4 lens that had a 2/3 stop ND filter glued to the front of the lens?
I doubt it. That defeats the purpose have buying the fast lens.
I mean,…crap. Many times in our shooting lives we fight to gather up as much light as we possibly can. When im trying that damn hard to get as fast as possible, the last thing i want to do is throw away 20% or more away!
It’s like taking 3 steps forward and 1 step back. Sure you can still make progress but its a still allot of wasted effort.
We get, we soooo get it. There are already 500000000 comments on the internet about 2/3 of a stop and a comparisons with glass, acrillic, curtains, etc. Not even Shakespeare can be original anymore.
Sony is only going to make SLT, those of us who see it as a great technology, will buy them knowing full well the drawbacks, we don’t need more explanations, we don’t, we get it.
I agree that a “miror up” could be good, but maybe there are technical problems to that.
2/3 of a stop is 66%. No UV filter is that bad(unless it is dirty, very dirty). Most UV filters absorb ~3% of light. Those who use ND filters focus manually on a tripod and have shutter speeds over 1 second long.The big idea behind SLT is the ability to autofocus during capture and video. Those who shoot with ND mostly shoot landscapes and water and could care less for AF. Only Pros who need SLT technology are those who shoot fast action and fast moving objects that require panning. A good 77mm UV filter costs 170-250$. Do you think that piece of plastic is equivalent to a Good UV filter.
66% of one stop. Yes.
And my Zeiss filters sure weren’t 250$ a piece (granted they are not 77mm).
@Arthur. 2/3 of one stop. 66% of one stop. Less than the difference between f/3.5 and f/4. You seriously don’t think it’s 66% of the total light do you?? I use a 3 stop filter regularly to get shutter speeds up to 1/20 second. You call my comment crap yet you don’t even understand the fundamental physics of photography.
why they do not make a better sensor like a new CMOS2 instead of tossing more megapixels to an old technology? its like computers they started to put more Mhz so people keep buying thinking the computer is going to get better it is a marketing strategy
What is “CMOS2” supposed to be?
does not exist i guess it was just an example sorry 🙂
Oh well, I was hoping for an EOS-1D X like sensor… 🙁
what about the pixel density?? heuheuheu
A9x with 24MP FF would be perfect for me. A900-refresh. Please, Sony, make it so! Another model to choose from would be the icing on the cake…
“There will be many innovations, many new things you haven’t seen before on any camera.”
OH BOY! FROWN DETECTION! Can’t wait!
How bout some things we HAVE seen on other cameras… like remote video control, tethering, multi RAW formats (like a900 can shoot FF or APS-C in RAW)…
“…there are many prototypes they are currently testing”
Clearly they should get them into the hands of DigitalREV first so to get their comedy sketch together in time for release. Heaven forbid they consult working professionals on this. Please Sony make sure to let any chump review these cameras with “not final firmware” photos for everyone to critique before release.
BTW… any “built in vertical grip” just killed the possibility of my purchasing. Hope others enjoy it though.
“There will be many innovations, many new things you haven’t seen before on any camera.”
Bet it will squirt water out of the lens when you press the button!!!!
How about using LAZORS for the AF-Assist!
Don’t know why they haven’t done this yet….
Mp3 player inside the camera?
Facebook interface?
What about a Tits & Ass detection, so the camera… errr…
Apps! Must integrate with iTunes!
[That was someone bad review about Kindle Fire]
If this rumor is true, then Sony just saved me a lot of $$$$. No need to upgrade the A900 for landscape work…
Maybe this mystery third model might be whats coming after SLT. If Nikon has already working on Sensor PDAF which they and the reviewers claim is faster than the D3s then you can bet Sony is working on this also! So maybe just maybe FF mirrorless Alpha mount is on it’s way, now that would be ground breaking. I know what the A850/A900 users (i’m
One myself) mean about putting a thin piece of plastic in front of a Zeiss optic…my A55 never seems to be able to make full use of all of that resolving power like the A850 can.
@SLTPro mind checking out some direct comparisons poseted by a user at dpreview where the A77 is sharper and has more detail than an A900 but is slightly more noisy. Like a poster said above, its the end result that matters – it is just the IQ that matters. One should not care less if the sensor makes up for the light loss to SLT. The SLT has immense advantages and Sony knows it, hence being adamant with SLT
Poor Sony They are really after the Magapixel Racer. Canon and Nikon have matured.
+1
Ironically, some Canon users wanted more than 18mp on FF..
question is, can it beat the Canon EOS-1D X?
No.
Totally two different price ranges.
3000 vs 7000
It would be like A99 vs D700.
I don’t think Sony is even able of crafting a camera adequate to compete with 1Dx. If it keeps the promises, that is a camera of my dreams. Too much pity I am not invested in EF mount.. 🙁
sorry my friend but this is not correct. Here’s some maths for you:
1Dx Digic 5+ (x2): 14bit ADC, 14FPS Max, 18MP = ~3.526GB/s total throughput or 1.764GB/s each
A77 Bionz2: 12bit ADC, 12FPS, 24MP = 3.456GB/s from just one! and if the A900 model stays true, the A9xs will have two!
So the image processing pipeline in the A77 can dump out images just a capably as the 1Dx.
Viewfinder: I seriously doubt that the viewfinder in the 1Dx will match the A900 in brightness and size, nothing else has.
Mechanical construction: thats the easy bit how much do you want to charge.
Buffer size: dead easy, stick in more dual-port RAM.
GPS addons: dont need em, A55/A77 have it already built in so just chuck it in rather than charging $$$$ for $20 addon.
Wifi: off the peg, no problems build in a $5 SoC.
AF Array: just take the A77 array and multiply it up, little more than a copy’n’paste operation on the design.
Sensor: Sony have already proven that they can exceed this in pixel count and readout speed in a number of recent video and photo sensors, the only thing they haven’t done, ironically, is produce a FF sensor with that “few” pixels in a commercial product (AFAIK).
If they took the OVF route, the only “fly in the ointment” may be the mirror assembly and IIRC the A900 mirror design was rated at a much higher frame rate than it was ever used at so with minor amendments and some damping its feasible that 12FPS wouldn’t be out of the question.
Sony, like many other manufacturers could make this tomorrow but they have no market for a $7000 camera, so why bother. Nikon already make something similar and they’re the only other manufacturer with a solid requirement at this time. Remember there’s not point in making something no-one buys. Also remember this thing wont go to marker until March 2012, wait and see what Sony come up with around PMA.
I have an A900 and expect to buy a future Sony full frame camera. I hope they NEVER make a camera with a built in grip unless they make an essentially identical one without the grip. I already think the A900 is at or a bit above the size and weight limit for me. I want my future cameras to be smaller and lighter not bigger and heavier!
Has anyone even seen any shots from the 1DX yet? why are we dreaming of a camera to match one that doesn’t even exist yet?
Sony will release an A8X and a A9X, that seems obvious to me, the third camera if it ever surfaces could be a 1D class camera but I doubt it, Sony know their cards and the higher up in the market they go, the more they have to put into dev and the harder the market gets to penetrate.
Personally I think they will only release the A8 and A9 series cameras.
There are some, with super low resolution, like 1-2MP pictures.
I’d take it with a grain of salt whether it can even compete with 1DX.
I’d rather Sony play safe and focus on what they can do and ignore the trolls 🙂
“The second rumor (SR4): The second full frame camera which will very likely have a 36 Megapixel sensor … That camera will … compete against the newly announced Canon 1D X.”
Maybe someone already criticized this statement. A 36 mp fullframe camera shooting at (probably) 4-6 fps cannot be directly competing with a Canon 1D X (18 mp @ 12 fps). Please be careful when you make such comparison … LOL
Sony might come up with 6fps with full resolution and 12 fps with 18MP for example. Heck if the rumors is correct, A9x only cost 1/2 of 1DX.
Being SONY fan-boy I must admit that FF version of A77 will be probably miles of R&D behind Canon 1D X. IQ of A9X will be most probably better though because of more Mpxs. But Canon 1DX spec looks very impressive to me because it is optimized for making money. Well, it is not ideal for fashion photographers, but they have MF cameras anyway.
Agree that A77 will be behind 1DX. You get what you pay for.
As Clifton said above, we don’t even have full res 1DX sample images, can’t even predict IQ right now.
Our thin hope is that A9x will be even more of a breakthrough than A77.
The A77 already pumps 288 MP/sec through @ 12 fps. With a dual Bionz processor (the previous FF cameras ha duals too) I’m sure they can go well beyond that but even if they don’t, you’re already looking at 8 fps.
@Admin is there any “scent” or a hunch of a compact, or god forbid, NEX full frame? (hopefully a nex)
Compact Flash or no compact Flash, that is the question.
Damn, but in a good way. I was aiming at the A77, but with this news, an FF A9? at 24mp would be excellent, on the other hand a heavily discounted A900 would be great too.
I mainly shoot Wedding, portrait and landscapes and the A900 is already excellent for that, but and there always is one, the A9? will be even better.
Admin
The “Second Rumor” doesn’t make sense. The camera with the 36 megapixel sensor isn’t going to be the one that “competes against the newly announced Canon 1DX”. The 1DX is supposed to be a “low” megapixel, high iso, high fps camera – (similar to the Nikon D3s) – so the Sony camera that competes against it would surely be the lower pixel, higher fps model described in the “First Rumor” – you’d also expect that camera to be the one that has the vertical grip.
SLT design might also make sense for that camera since it gives you the possibility of your “very high fps” advantage.
The higher megapixel, lower fps camera surely has to compete against the next model in the (cheaper) Canon 5D series.
Canon 1DX is more of an all-round, combining the 1Ds and Marks.
The second rumor should make no sense before we get more specifics.
Megapixel count and fps means nothing.
How about high ISO, let’s say? And AF accuracy and speed. Don’t forget those.
Got to remember that the pixel density on 36MP FF sensor is equivalent to 15MP APS-C and 24MP FF approximates some 10MP APS-C. And the APS-C density of 24MP would produce a 56MP FF sensor.
So, when in addition consider the continuous improvement of sensor technology, we venture to expect remarkable high ISO improvement even with 36MP FF sensor. Or how?
Whatever Sony does it wil not be enough even if it produces better pictures at ISO 100000000 with a bad copy of a poor lens that the 1Dx at ISO 100 with the best glass, because the “the mirror takes 30%”
Well, I could agree something like that, for a while when waiting for something “useable”. LOL
(sorry, but how many zeros there were… 😉
I’m too lazy to read all the comments, so probably this has already been suggested as the third A9x camera: I feel quite confident that it will be a mirrorless A-mount camera with on-sensor PD AF. It makes sense that this camera will be the last of the three, being such a challenge… And this camera will ultimately change the market position of Canikon vs. Sony!
A you really think Canikon will do nothing? They will come with some other interesting offer. Marker share will shift rather slowly.
We can be sure that Sony will launch mirrorless A-mount cameras with on-sensor PD AF in the future – they are working hard on this (like most everybody else, it seems).
However, I doubt very much they will solve all the drawbacks with this technolog, already during next year. If Sony really would be that close, I doubt they would come out with SLT cameras too next year (A9X ought to indicate SLT).
If Sony wasn’t onto something big, they wouldn’t plan to release 3 FF cameras next year. The market for FF is not that huge. They want to become no 1, not in sales, but in innovation. Which they are already, but they need a flagship model to make the point clear to everybody.
Here are some High ISO sample from 1D X:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20111020_484856.html
Really impressive!
However, my credit card is curled of horror, so maybe I have to be satisfied with A77. So far.
Since sony seems to be taking the pro market serious. PLEASE PLEASE work with PocketWizard to get us a triggering system specifically built for Sony alpha. The Pocket Wizard Flex models for Nikon and Canon are amazing. I was shooting with them before I dumped canon and it was the cat’s meow. I even used them on the alpha to trigger my studio strobes for a job. though I couldn’t take full advantage it was still great. SONY PLEASE, make it so!
For A9??/FF cameras… please please:
1) ISO 200K for low light shooting
2) well controlled noise with no blotchiness up into ISO 6400.
3) 24MP is a good balance between MP(s) and getting good clean images.
4) External SSS on/off switch or make it an assignable button!
5) Make SLT optional or have the SLT operate in SLT or DSLR mode for better image quality where high speed continous AF is not needed.
6) Improve the buffering (option for buffer upgrade would be nice)
7) Dual slot compact flash with configurable dual writing(RAW+RAW, Raw+backup, JPEG+RAW, JPEG+backup, etc)
8) Weather sealing
9) More than 19 double cross AF points filling in more of the frame, especially the edges
10) Cabled and wireless tethering options
11) USB3 port
12) Open SDK for developing for the camera(remote tethering/etc)
Go with COMPACT FLASH.
Note, Canon’s 1DX: 14fps AF+face detection with no SLT lens. Hmm….
and how much are you willing to pay for all this?
Depends on what they come out with, the economy, and my own personal situation.
The A900 is in the $3000 price range. The A9X/? will most likely be in the same price range($3000-$4000).
That is a reasonable amount to pay.
As others have noted, there are features that people need/want and features that people couldn’t care less about.
The 1DX presented an elegant solution to the tethering and control: ethernet port built in. Basically, the camera can be on the net and controlled simply. The A9X can take this option as well, perhaps through the vgrip, and make the tethering issue much simpler by making the API open so one could say, control the unit through a router/ipad/etc.
With the specs being quoted for the 1DX, I’m curious to see what the price for that unit is going to be… as well as IQ of the images coming out of it at the upper iso ranges like ISO 50K.
The new Canon does 12 fps with auto focus. And 14 fps with mirror up and focus locked. Impressive, but you got to pay for it.
The big question, how does AF perform at this speed?
But I don’t need more then 5 fps so I don’t care.
Also since I don’t need high resolution, I could just grap a frame from 25
or 50 fps 1920×1080 HD video.
Gosh.. Yesterday it has been announced, and today everyone here seems to be dreaming about it, me included. This should show what photographers really expect from a FF model.. No 1918718383mpix with good ISO up to 400.. 😛
Looking at Nikon 1 autofocus speed, could sony not implement a similar technology and simply remove the mirror …
The 1DX:
“This SLR has been equipped with wired network connectivity. So while the Wi-Fi and GPS modules are still optional extras, the EOS-1DX has an Ethernet port (RJ45) for a quick and easy way to transfer pictures to a computer or straight onto an FTP server. What’s more, the network connection can be used to control the camera, as one EOS-1DX can be used to control up to ten cameras synchronised with the one master model. This can be handy for simultaneous shooting or for capturing the same scene from different angles.”
Wow… and ethernet port…
“There will be many innovations, many new things you haven’t seen before on any camera.”
sounds exciting !!! :DDD
Flip up mirror switch!!!
Would anyboy here be pissed if Sony SLT cameras had that?
Sony….FLIP UP/DOWN MIRROR SWITCH will end this debate once and for all!
Give us the CHOICE!
(Sorry to sound like a broken record)
+1, from a pro.
what abot a IR mode my dscV1 had night shot and i do miss that
Cameras for 2012 will be a 24 Megapixel FF SLT very close to the A77 with 4 th generation EVF and 10 RAW ftp that is until now,Top of SLT.
Discarded the 18 mpx in FF.
Sony does not abandon the project of OVF, since 2009 working on a FF, 36 megapixel sensor, backlit? Ideal study, 6 RAW ftp, articulated rear screen, magnesium cuarpo without built-configurable buttons grip of estacamara is just that.
New Nex 9 in June 2012.-
Regards
36Mpx sensor is important for Sony as big sensor maker, maybe not so for Alpha system itself. It definitely symbolizes Sony potential to win Megapixels race in larger important markets (cellphone camera markets….)
well i hope all those great innovation from sony alpha will sell it with a low price 😀 hehehe
What will the numbers be? I think that starting with A99 would limit the naming of improved models or force Mk I/II stuff.
A90 (24 mpx mirrorless), A93 (24 mpx SLT) A96 (36 mpx SLT)
Canon has used EOS 1 (1N, 1V, etc) for film cameras and EOS 1D for digital cameras (1D, 1D II, 1D III, 1D IV) so why not A99, A99 II, A99 III, etc?
For me it’s a matter of personal taste. Also, if they had, say, A95M, A95T1, and A95T2 it would look like copying Canon.
Who cares? Let them call them Fred, Barney and Wilma.
And I want them to be 3MP with ISO256000 so I can take pictures of my dancing cat in the pitch black.
I don’t understand posters saying, “what about A77!?” and “have they already abandoned A77!?”. The A77 is a crop sensor camera and we are here talking about Sony’s full frame offering: they are two different segments and there’s no comparison! Apples and oranges.
I’d like to see a model WITHOUT an LCD… Just the EVF for me thank you very much.
No “?” buttons… (no printer button like the 5DMKII)… in fact, minimal buttons designed only for manual control… NO AUTOMATION WHATSOEVER…
+10 for Mirror Flip Up… a simple mechanical switch like the OM-1… no menu hunting.
Make it the size of an OM-1 or Rangefinder.
http://basepath.com/images/PhotoArticles/big/OlympusOM1a-2.jpg
Put a button on the front like the Topcon.
http://taunusreiter.de/Cameras/Topcon%20Super%20D.jpg
Makes for much more comfortable vertical shooting without the need for a grip mechanism… and your thumb retains full flexibility for all controls without having to duplicate them all needlessly.
Make it small Sony.
I don’t really understand why Sony would build a 24MP SLT FF camera when it has the 24MP A77? I guess the FF camera must have serious advantages in dynamic range and noise? Anyway, the more FF cameras the better!
Personally I just hope the 2nd or 3rd camera in the rumours has a proper OVF. To compete with Nikon and Canon, I think it has to.
Sony know that a pro will (or at least should) know the benefit of the larger sensor, even if it shares the same resolution as a cropped sensor camera. The real life differences between a semi pro and pro camera are getting smaller each generation and I would predict that eventually semi pro cameras will become full frame. with that in mind, I doubt Sony would put a 24mpix camera in the next FF, part of their business structure in the camera world is definitively targeted at winning the megapixel race.
I don’t think they will ever make another OVF camera, as far as they are concerned, EVF is better.
The A77 has shown us that EVF is a semi pro model brings a hell of a lot to the table and defeats shortcomings of the A33/55, the same should apply to the shortcomings of the A65/77 in comparison to the A8X/99.
People keep comparing the specs of this current A77 to the next big thing from canon as if the Canon is someone getting one up over Sony which is ridiculous, the 1DX is a totally different class of camera aimed at a totally different market, yet on some levels the Sony is on par and even surpassing it on some specs. This to me is a one up FOR Sony
So you don’t understand the difference of sensor sizes? Nothing to do with the pixel amount by definiton. Actually, there is a lot of good FF cameras with far lower pixel amount.
There is certain optical differences – as focusing, sharp area – depending on sensor size. At the same, it’s much easier to reach e.g. low noise, which you are dying for, with a low pixel DENSITY. Can you perceive an idea that the same pixel amount on larger sensor area means lower pixel density?
I hope Sony wont make FF camera with OVF since I’ve already had 1d :p
I don’t care what cameras sony brings out next year, because I won’t buy one.
I will invest in lenses, since they hold value over time, and digital bodies are worthless in a few years due to advancing technology. I hope you folks will all buy Sony cameras to provide money for R&D of our future cameras 😉
Personally, I like Sony’s strategy and photography products, but I hope that in a few years a mirrorless, sensorbased AF camera will emerge, since technology is there. But I am afraid Sony will first squeeze out everything of TMT.
Imagine: no light loss (although it isn’t much now), always fast AF, no quality loss, no mirror and let it be: no noisy shutter; I believe Sony can do it, but will Sony do it? Time will tell. If not, I am afraid other companies (if they are smart) will do it. Without the mirror, ISO performance will already be 1/2-2/3 of a stop better, and if noise is well controlled until ISO 25600, I will be satisfied. And that all for the price of an A580/D7000.
Maybe many (semi) professionals, press and studio photographers want more. I hope for you that Sony will diversify further like we hear now they will probably do. But for me what counts is an affordable body in the middle class DSLR range. I cant and dont want to pay much for some features of pro cameras like high fps/ISO, but I would like to see a camera for a lower price with the buttons and switches of a pro camera, with cheaper internals. Sony, you can do it!
Happy they’re putting out a new line of full frame for the pro ‘money on the table’ photographers. It gives me upgrade options for later.
For now, I’ll stick with buying an A77 once the shortages alleviate and the price has gone down a little (hopefully in the new year).
Full frame is nice, but not nice enough to justify upgrading all my APS-C lenses 🙂
Please. Stop the Megapixels race.
Please. Change the record.
More mega Pixels please!!! (resolution is great and hard drives are cheap). 24 megapixles,, ahh thats disappointing. I’ll wait for a higher count to upgrade.
An entry level FF camera would make sense for a lot of people. Let’s say around 18 megapixel and 5 fps. Because a lot of people wants high image quality especially at low light, but the don’t need 36 megapixel and 10 fps.
I very like sony bodies, but what about good lenses? I don’t think cz is for everyone. don’t you think nikkors are better that minoltas?
Предлагаю выпустить Nex 9 FF с байонетом А, дизайном как Mamiya 7 и размерами, примерно, 140/90/65. Если к ней выпустите еще объективы 16-40/4, 40-140/4(2.8) и 18/3.4, 21/3.4, 24/2.8, 28 / 2, 35 / 2, 50/1.7, 85 / 2, 135 / 2,4, то мы вас, Sony, на руках носить будем
Sony really disappoints me. I have 15 sony lens on hand and each ready for FF camera.
Those rumors relative SLT and no OVF, price of 500mm/f4, the image quality comparison between 5D3 and D800, make me seriously considering if I should transfer my current system to C.
If NEX-9 is FF with EVF, I would accept that, because I usually use manual focus with m mount lens for fun sometimes.
If AXX is FF with EVF, I absolutely expect OVF instead of EVF. C can do 5D3(5D2 + 7D), no reason Sony can’t do it with OVF.
Sony really disappoints me. I have 15 sony lens on hand and each ready for FF camera.
Those rumors relative SLT and no OVF, price of 500mm/f4, the image quality comparison between 5D3 and D800, make me seriously considering if I should transfer my current system to C.
If NEX-9 is FF with EVF, I would accept that, because I usually use manual focus with m mount lens for fun sometimes.
If AXX is FF with EVF, I absolutely expect OVF instead of EVF. C can do 5D3(5D2 + 7D), no reason Sony can’t do it with OVF.
ps: high pixel is welcome! The quality of ISO6400 same with C-5D3 is better. However, I suspect if sony sensor structure met some problem while I reading the ISO comparison between 5D3 and D800.
Spring has come and gone. (SR1)? 😉