A77
24.3 MP Exmor HD CMOS sensor
19 points AF sensor with 11 cross sensors
ISO 100-16000, with expandeable ISO 50 option
1920 x 1080 60p/24p AVCHD 2.0
P/A/S/M manual controls while recording video
1200 zone metering
Completely new developed Bionz processor
12 fps
1/8000 shutter speed
TrueBlack 921k 3-way tilt LCD
3 million dot OLED viewfinder
Smart teleconverter function with 1.4x and 2.0x option
Built-in flash
Built-in GPS
Battery life with over over 500 shots
Magnesium alloy body
Dust and Moisture proof
Multi Frame NR
SD card (no CF!)
A65 (differences with the A77)
A77 has 19 point AF system with 11 cross sensors while the A65 has only 3 cross sensors.
A77 can do 12 fps while the A65 can do 10fps.
A77 has new 3 way tilting LCD, A65 has “classic” tilting LCD
A77 can do 50 ISO while A65 can not.
The A77 has a magnesium body while the A65 has not.
The A77 has 1/8000 shutter while A65 has a 1/4000 shutter
The A77 has a top LCD screen while the A65 has it not.
The A77 is Dust and Moisture proof while the A65 is not
NEX-7
24,3 Exmor HD sensor
100-16.000 ISO
1200 zone metering
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 (28Mbit/s) video recording
3 million dot XGA OLED viewfinder
3inch 921k TruBlack LCD display (touchscreen)
10 fps
20ms startup time
Built-in flash
New universal hot shoe
Battery life for over 400 shots
Magnesium alloy body
NEX-5N
16.1 MP Exmor sensor (Same us [shoplink 7207]Sony NEX-C3[/shoplink])
ISO 100-25600
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 video recording
Shutter 1/4000
10 fps
Can take over 430 shots with one battery
Same AF speed as the GH2
VG-20
16 MPX Exmor sensor
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 video recording
Can record stills in RAW
3 inch touchscreen (swifel)
audio level control
IR AVR remote
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NEX-7 has “19 point AF with 3 cross sensors”. Is that a mistake?
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NEX7 vs NEX5, seems like NEX5 is the better deal
Nex5 over NEX7
-More ISO RANGE
-Smaller/lighter
-Optional EVF (to keep the camera small when needed)
-Better battery life
The rest of specs seems almost identical the only real advantage of NEX7 is the 24MP sensor (which is an overkill for a crop sensor) of course UI/Buttons make a difference but I’m talking specs wise here i expect more difference between NEX5 VS NEX7
And NEX5n it will properly cost half the price
It’s not that clear: function (NEX-7) or form (NEX-C3/5N)
Don’t forget that the NEX-7 can use a normal hotshoe flash. That alone makes it a no-brainer for pros. Also, waaaay more buttons, dials, touchscreen, viewfinder.
For me the small size of the classical NEX’s cam’s makes them unusable. So the size argument is very subjective one.
I need a body with good handling of the controls, not these stupid small buttons you can only control with your nails. The body should be able to hold bigger lenses. I want to feel the cam.
+1 I am absolutely with you. Let´s hope that the slightly larger NEX-7 body will have more reasonable ergonomics.
I like these NEX-5N specs also very much. I’m not missing a viewfinder or another proprietary hot shoe, since I dislike flashes anyway. Also my hands prefer a smaller camera to carry around and I doubt I’d really need the NEX-7’s 24.3MP. The NEX-5N price should be quite more than the NEX-C3, which is relatively expensive these days. But if the 5N really goes from 24 to 60p and the video functions won’t be limited by firmware this could become my second NEX, great for photography anyway and really growing together with advanced film recording now…
Output slots? Rumored USB3 drooped? Traditional HDMI? Flash sync for A77/Nex7?
A77 Sony MS card also drooped?
A77 flash sync speed 1/500? Overoptimistic?
A77 AF confirmation in manual mode?
New battery or the same NP-FM500H?
SSS somehow improved?
Continuous buffer at 12fps?
Umm.. Under NEX7
19 point AF with 3 cross sensors
I thought you need a mirror to be able to use phase detect AF?
Because NEX is a mirrorless system it can only use contrast detect, right?
Now I remember, there was a Sony patent sometime last year that had something to due with phase detect directly on the sensor. Could this be it?
nice, i hope the camera lives up to all the hyped and expectation it has created
No GPS for the NEX?
even though they have one in the p&s sonys …
Any detailed information about advanced flash capabilities on the SLT bodies? It looks like they went for high resolution instead of super low light performance on these new sensors. I’m sure the performance will match that of the A580 sensor, which I have been very happy with. I occasionally use ISO 6400, and I have not been disappointed. I had better revise my file management and streamline the workflow before these huge files start pouring in.
Is this the final specs?
Sounds like A77 and NEX 7 for me. Sadly my A700 will have to rest a bit :s Or maybe going to fleabay..
Either case, thanks for all your work compiling and sieving all these info Andrea!
Hope Sony is not overlooked after this anymore!
Sorry, what does “New universal hot shoe” mean? Will it take Alpha hotshoe flashes, like the Sony HVL F43AM?
I stopped reading when I saw that…
The hot shoe I see on the NEX-7 picture seems to me the “old” standard Minolta/Alpha hot shoe…what “new” does mean?
I guess some more connectors for mics and stuff like that, but I guess fully downward compatible to the Minolta hot shoe.
Wow…..this looks very promising and enough time between the release date and whatever announcements/rumors regarding Sony’s coming FF models to make the decision to go for the A77 or wait….
Looks good – although some things slightly under expectations
Battery life 500 shots.. means realistically 300-400. Not brilliant, and not the 1,000 which was an SR5 before.
I never used the teleconverter nonsense on my a500.. seems like a pointless addition. Can’t use it in RAW mode, and surely I could just crop in post-production. Maybe it is slightly more useful with a 24mp sensor and an EVF, but it still seems pointless.
Also, the ISO range is under the “into the hundreds of thousands” which was rumoured before. 16,000 is still great, but I guess I had hopes set higher from the earlier rumours. Seems funny that the NEX-5N goes up to 25600 and yet the a77 and NEX-7 “only” go to 16,000… guess it’s from cramming all those extra pixels into an APS-C sensor.
However, I do see “multi frame NR” on the list, so I guess it will go to at least 32,000 if you use that option. The a580 allows one more stop using the multi frame NR mode, so I would assume a77 does the same.
That said, everything else sounds great. 12fps, proper weather sealing (at last!!) and 1/8000s shutter speed are all good news!
A55 spec says 330 shot but i am taking more than 1300 with full battery.
if they says 500 it means good.
I agree 500 frames/battery charge is OK. It strongly depends on are you using flash, what drive mode, lens and how much you are checking images on LCD screen. Battery care is also important.
Same here with the a55.
On top of that, my a900 can do from 700 to over 1200 shots on one battery, when the stated number of shots by Sony specs is about 700.
The rumour does state that the A77 does OVER 500 shots. I guess 500 is the minumum depending on how you use the camera and I never take more than 200 in a day. My hope is that the A77 uses the same battery as the A700.
The smart Smart teleconverter in the A77 may do much better than the one in A500. 😛
The newest cyber shot TX55 use the new digital zoom technology called Clear Image Zoom.
It uses a new form of interpolation called “By Pixel Super Resolution” technology, which use a more sophisticated process that includes pixel creation and pattern matching for a clearer and sharper magnified image. (instead of just cropping the image)
So the smart teleconverter in A77 may also use this technology to get better image quality and it will be very useful for video. 🙂
Sa-weeeet! Those are some killer specs! I especially like the touchscreen idea. I’m sure it’ll be more useful as the functions grow on these new gen cameras. Going through the menus can be a nightmare sometimes with the little d-pad. I wonder if Sony will have PSP games for use with the touchscreen 😛
What if they delayed these until next January? Then we’d have to wait until March. 🙂
Cool specs, can’t wait for the A77, but does ISO only go up to 16000?
What happened to 1000 shots? Sony wants us to buy a lot of batteries from them?
I think Sony want us all to buy the $500 battery grip too. 😛
(Not just the batteries)
It doesn’t say the A77’s ISO can be extended more than 16000?
ISO 1-16000 is worrisome. I am wondering whether the high ISO is not as stellar as originally reported in earlier rumors…
Smart teleconverter function with 1.4x and 2.0x option?? Crop to the size of x1.4 or x 2 like Digital zoom is it?
If yes, Maybe useful while taking movie , but for still pictures , I prefer crop it by myself later at home~
I actually like the 1.4x and 2.0x teleconverter option for stills – in fact I have been waiting for it ever since sony released the EVF-based SLTs :). Sure you can crop later as well, however the advantage in this case is that the EVF will zoom in to match the “crop”. So it will help you visualize and frame the shot just like a longer lens, instead of taking a wider shot and then hoping to find a good crop in post. This is specially useful if you want to take a number of shots like that in which it will not only help in visualization but will also save a lot of time as you don’t need to take each image and find a proper crop for each one individually.
Plus it saves space on the sd card and does the metering right for the crop (I hope so…)
Great specs, I hope the price will really stay at 1050€ for the A77.
a77 and Nex 7 ISO range less than Nex5N……come on….
And a77 the battery life is far far under a580….
Great, and I have made my decision to wait for FF…..sony sucks
i shoot more than 1k photo a day during travel… 500 shot per battery? guess i have to buy more battery.. and the iSO 16.000 .. i guess must be some reason behind it. since 580 can go up to iso 25600
maybe dat 16000 iso is so native dat doesnt produce any noise in it! dat would be awesome! would be nice if they use the batteries from a100 to a580 since i got 3 of those already
how come there is not flip monitor for NEX-7?
That’s the most important feature for street photography.
I suppose the 10fps for NEX-7 and NEX-5N would be in “speed priority” mode? If yes then any ideas about the normal fps. Not that I expect the NEX to be able to track AF well at something like 6 or 7 fps. But just curious 🙂
Nikon D3S native iso: ISO 200-12,800 full frame 12mp
VS.
Sony NEX-7 native iso: ISO 100-16,000 crop sensor 24mp
Nex-7 will cost 1/4 the price of a D3S, and performs better???
Perhaps…depending on the time of day.
And the NEX-7 would be preferable to the A77 because of the1/3 stop light on the translucent mirrors. Which is also scaring me from interest of the A99 as a professional camera.
Maybe they can make the translucent cameras with the option to function even with the translucent mirror removed? Meaning: option for no OVF, but no loss of light to the sensor and EVF only.
Just because it supports 16,000 does not mean it performs better than D3s. D3s at 12800 will be better than NEX-7@12800. And you can take a D3s 12800 shot and “push” it to 16000 in software and it should be easily better than the “native” 16000 shot of the NEX-7.
Also the ISOs like 128000 and 16,000 are more for bragging rights than being genuinely useful. What is more important is whether the camera gets improved performance at say ISO 3200 or ISO 6400.
Wow. Are you one of the prototype testers?? So how’s the image of iso 16000 for NEX 7 like? Smudgy? Lots of chromatic noise?
I like your sarcasm 🙂 Off course I have not used the NEX-7, nor tested its high-iso performance. However what I was pointing out is that the “maximum allowed ISO” of a camera does not tell about the performance at each ISO. D3s has lower noise levels than best of of the APS-C sensors at comparable ISOs. There is nothing to suggest so far that NEX-7 will be significantly better than current APS-C sensors at comparable ISOs – again just because it supports 16000 does not mean that its 12800 mode is better than today’s APS-C cameras. I will be a happy man if it is indeed as good as D3s but that is quite unlikely.
depends for what you want it, if you look at pictures 100% on th screen i am sure noise will be higher, but if you print… then a 24mp file will have more detail than a 12mp file, even at high ISO.
People like to talk about noise, but most important is signal to noise ratio. For 24 Mpix sensor compared to 12Mpix is 1.5 times more signal info and with the same noise level you could get the same SNR. Of course people each time dream about miracles (why not?). But in reality A900 have usable ISO800, A580/A55 – ISO1600 or one stop improvement, however SNR is about the same. Best we could hope for A77 is usable ISO3200 or one stop improvement over previous sensor generation.
@Edgars. Spot on. I have been saying for a while that the A77 might give us adequate ISO 3,200 (including good colour) and if it does, that’ll do for me.
I think talk of anything above 3,200 is optimistic on a 24mpix sensor, but I hope to be proved wrong. 😉
“People like to talk about noise, but most important is signal to noise ratio. For 24 Mpix sensor compared to 12Mpix is 1.5 times more signal info and with the same noise level you could get the same SNR.”
I think you are confusing frequency with amplitude here.
In traditional way e.g. DxO analyze system from pixel point of view. Pixels are important, but I haven’t tools to analyze pixels. I have finale image, therefore I analyze system from image resolution/noise frequency point of view. After I take image there is noise and resolution. If I reduce noise, I also decrease resolution, which generally also is about signal/noise ratio.
DXO does analyse at the pixel level, but they also calculate equivalent SNR & DR values for a standardised resolution (which they call print as opposed to screen). That reflects the statistical affect of interpolating down to the final resolution. Hence a 24 MPIX sensor with poorer per-pixel stats might still produce better figures at the standardised resolution.
However, given that some sites (are you listening DPReview) tend to obsess on per-pixel measures, I doubt we’ll see the major manufacturers releasing new sensors which don’t at least match the per-pixel stats of their older models, even if they have higher MPIX counts.
@Edgars – Yes even though all of us talk about it loosely as “noise” – we understand that we are actually talking about SNR (I have taken enough graduate level circuits and CMOS design courses to be reasonably sure that I understand the related issues 😉 ).
Also you might have got things mixed up a bit as far as SNR is concerned 🙂 At a per-pixel level the signal per pixel in a 24MP APS-C sensor is less than the signal per pixel in a 12MP APS-C sensor and the signal to noise ratio per pixel is worse (lower) in the 24MP sensor. In addition the 24MP sensor gets additional sources of noise due to more dense layout and resulting interference etc further lower the per-pixel SNR. However the overall amount of light captured by both sensors would be roughly the same, so if viewed at comparable sizes (say you downsize the 24 MP image to 12 MP, or downsize both to your screen size) the per-pixel SNR would become roughly comparable. A full-frame sensor on the other hand captures 2.25 times more light than the APS-C sensor overall. So if viewed at comparable sizes the full-frame sensor would give better (higher) SNR than the APS-C sensor.
Off course all of that assumes that technology is similar across all sensors. With improved technology new-generation APS-C sensors can equal or surpass old-gen FF sensors over time. I would say that A580 sensor comes close to matching the original FF Canon 5D sensor from 5-6 years at ISO 1600 in terms of SNR (I own and use both). But it has taken many iterations for that to happen. So it is unlikely that the within a single generation after the A580 there would be such a huge improvement that APS-C surpasses the fairly recent and advanced D3s FF sensor. In fact it would be quite an achievement if the new 24MP APS-C is better than the A580 sensor, let alone the D3s.
@ steve jones: You are right about the per-pixel versus per-image noise. But since you are a DxoMark user, you will also notice that as per DxoMark even the latest and great APS-C sensors in A580 and D7000 etc don’t perform as well on comparable ISO as the “ancient” FF sensor in canon 5D in terms of SNR (at per-image basis). They are definitely better in terms of dynamic range though, and this lower noise in shadows is also what allows them to enable higher-iso modes like 6400, 12800 etc compared to say the 5D which was limited to ISO3200. However in terms of SNR performance at comparable ISOs like ISO800, 1600 etc they are still behind. And thats one of the major confusion among users where when they see that a new camera has “high ISO range” they assume that it also means it will be better than the previous models at all comparable ISOs. Thats simply not true.
@Myst – I think you should try downloading sample images from something like imaging-resource and compare them (the good thing is that they have the exact same image under same conditions taken using each camera). What you will find is that at higher ISO the noise eats up the detail and the captured detail is way less than the sensor resolution. The 16MP Sony or 18MP Canon APS-C sensors simply does not capture as much detail at ISO 1600 that a 12MP D3/D3s or even 5D sensor does.
fully agree but the point is Sony have done an increadeble job getting afordable APS-C up to the stats of top end FF. and we look forward to seeing how they actualy comapir on noise at say iso 6400. no presure on sony if it gets even close it will be an amazing camera.
I totally agree
500 shots is pretty lame. batt must be pretty small…means more money for a second batt as one won’t due.
500 shots? I could live with other EVF drawbacks but not this one and especially not in this camera class (price!).
I am guessing the 1000 shots is with the battery grip, duh!
well the rumors did come with photos with the A77 on a grip, ha!
a77 is Video DSLR Killer (bye bye canon)… 🙂
hmmm it lacks audio control ?? whrr…
if working with sd-card, maybe speed will not expectation!
The video abilities have worked FOR Canikon until now, but may lead to their downfall. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/mirrorless_video_convergence.shtml
+ 1 for digital teleconverter. Sometimes it’s nice to have if your shooting a prime and want to get in tight. Yes, understand the laudable arguments about cropping in post. I just hope teleconverter has it’s own button. Actually I hope everything has it’s own button. Hate drilling through the menu to find something, while my subjects grow increasingly inpatient.
“I just hope teleconverter has it’s own button”
Amen to that 🙂
it does. a customizable button. but digital tele is crap. its just zoom and crop in software. if software can do everything then each camera only really needs 1 fixed lens.
Off course it is only crop, but it can have its uses. I don’t own a lens longer than 300mm and most probably I never will in future either. And 300mm is typically not enough to for example get a tight framing on a bird shot. So I have no option but to crop. But the teleconverter mode will make it much easier. Not only I can frame the shot exactly as I want and not have to worry about cropping later, but also the 1.4x or 2x view will also make it easier to actually see the subject – the 2x mode will essentially give me the view of a 600mm lens – a much more convenient view when I am trying to photograph distant subjects.
As a side benefit it also helps when you want to do manual focus – quickly switch to the 2x view for precise manual focusing and then switch back for the shot.
I don’t think it will be the same as cropping. I think it will re-adjust the exposure to match the scene in the 1.4x or 2.0x crop mode. If you are cropping in post processing, the scene you get after cropping will be exposed based on the full size image & not based on the lighting in the cropped image. I am not sure about this, but it makes a lot of sense to implement this.
I also like the idea of the teleconverter mode as you’ve described. I’m in the same boat as you with a 300mm lens but I’m sure I read here recently about Sony using pixel replacement technology with this mode enabling a crop in camera while keeping the same image size ie. 24 mp. The question is, if this is in the A77 what will the image quality of a teleconverter shot be like? I can’t wait for the tests and reviews of the A77 to come out.
The GH2 has a very nifty ‘true pixels’ mode in video that acts as a 2.6x digital zoom. Instead of downsampling from 16Mp to 1080p by binning pixels, the 2Mp at center are used and the quality is actually slightly better because of fewer artifacts. Any chance the new Sonys will implement something like that?
And Explorer76, totally agree with your earlier remarks on ISO16000 being meaningless compared to a D3s. The D3s has the cleanest 200ISO files I have ever seen this side of a medium format CCD. So far, we’ve had A77 & NEX-7 specs specs & specs, but no indication of image quality. Can’t wait to hear more about how these cameras performs at base ISO (since I don’t often take pictures of bats in caves and rather like long exposures 😉 )
Awesome!!! Maybe in 4 years when I finish my computer science studies, I can afford the NEX-7 <3
Sweet. One of my biggest peeves with the A77 was that 24MP is just too much for most of my shoots. I hope the digital zoom mode effectively crops the area that is read from the sensor, which would mean much smaller RAW files, and doesn’t just set a flag to indicate “please ignore everything outside this area” to the raw converter. Funny how my Tamron 14mm/2.8 fullframe super wide-angle lens would become a normal lens on the A77 in 2× zoom mode, at a resolution of 6MP. 🙂
The battery capacity is a bit disappointing though, compared to the almost 900 shots with a single battery from the A900.
How big is the NEX7? Weight? Size with lens?
What’s shutter lifespan? SLT shutter need to close-open twice for each exposure.
While the a77 looks pretty good.. a couple of things that concern me is the battery life that was said to last over 1000 shots per charge.. ISO which I thought would’ve been higher given that people say it would be in the hundreds of thousands but I guess that would be with multiframe NR.. And lastly the omission of the CF card slot..
But other than that the a77 looks like itll be one awesome camera! Anyone think the a77 will have audio level control as well?
What I would really like to know is what the dynamic range is like with the new sensor? I don’t care much for high ISO, though if we can have really clean 3200/6400 that would be stellar, but I doubt it.
Also I would love to see in the future (now that we are pushing 24MP APSC) a HDR mode where 4 pixels in a group expose for 4 different values giving a 6MP incredibly good HDR mode and the camera only has to pixel shift by one or two pixels but they would all be captured at exactly the same point in time. I don’t need 24 Million pixels – lets put all those extra pixels to good use!
+1 that is a great idea for HDR mode…
+2 Very nice Idea! Would be awesome to have…
+3
+4, or better yet, create a niche camera “exclusively” for high quality HDR, there are serious markets for it.
I hope Sony will use pixel binning to produce a better quality High ISO image. 😛
To increase one step to two steps usable ISO Level, depend how many pixels it binned together. 🙂
If you use RAW processing you can “bin” pixels in post-processing.
I’m wondering if the NEX-7 also has the new Bionz processor and continuous AF during video. They said that these new cameras were made thinking about video, I wanted to see about improvements with the rolling shutter effect and how much control can we have about the variable frame rate.
where is the new DSLR translucent sucks in studio
Your sentence structure is so poor that it is meaningless.
The CURRENT dSLTs “suck” in a studio, let’s see what the A65/A77 are like before complaining eh?
I want the A99 NOW! If they design the A77 with video in mind, why they take off the CF card compatibility? It doesn’t make any sens since CF card can give the the speed for shooting video. I guess SONY want us to buy their memory stick instead?
@noobidoo: Fast SD card works fine for video. Nobody is forcing you to buy memory sticks.
with AVCHD 2.0 28mbps you don’t really need CF for that.
To be honest, it is a bid odd to not include a CF slot for the a77 seeing as the Minolta 7d and the a700 had one. And it is a bit of a hassle for people that already have money invested in CF cards, they have to buy fast SD cards now.
(no offense intend) you are like a Pentium 2 computer user asking why todays computer don’t include a floppy drive… CF will obsolete soon i guess. just have to make the hard choice… anyhow, sd card are pretty cheap now. 🙂
It amuses me that people buying a $1300 body only camera and have thousands in lenses then complain about the cost of SD cards and batteries. 😀
Thank you!
They are the same people that complain about it being too big in size
Smaller memory card and different, and hopefully more efficient (read smaller) battery helps keep the camera body size down.
Personally, it’s more important that the camera fits well into my hand and it has a pleasing balance with quality full-frame lenses.
And yes, technology improves, bigger gets smaller.
not to mention, sd card consume less energy at high speed read/write compare to CF. and all u need is class6 for fullHD (28mbps, MegaBITS, thats less then 3mb write persec!)
class2 SD records 720p video on my 7D without problem.
Strange, since when buying memory card is considered investments? I have so many mem card that I can no longer use, as I keep having to buy a new one with higher capacity.
When you buy a new camera, leave the old mem card with the old camera.
Just like buying new handphone, how many parts of the old handphone that you can re-use?
A77 – any idea on AE bracketing (frames and what steps)…….and field of view for the viewfinder – 100% ???
Of course it will be 100%.. it’s an EVF!
As for magnification, the a55 was 1.1x, so the a77 will be that big, or larger imo
Do α77 and NEX-7 have 16bits or 14bits RAW output?
I assume it has the stadard Sony 12bit resolution The A77 “weather sealing” is not a weather seeling like Nikon or Pentax it is “just” dust and moister sealing. The same as we have on the A850/A900 not less, not better.
I am still confused about the ISO range of the A77: 1) ISO 50 is a top feature 2) ISO 16000 is very strange more typical would be 12800 or 25600. NEX5 has a better ISO performance. In the past the top model was always a bit better or equal to lower models.
So it appears that the VG20 has the Sony NEX-C3 16 MP sensor. Anyone care to weigh in if that is a good thing? Since the megapixel count is lower, wouldn’t that translate to better video in low light, or is this sensor vastly inferior to the one in the A77 and NEX7?
Yeah, I know we’re all just guessing right now, but hey…what else do we have to do until the end of August?
Bummer that the NEX7 doesn’t appear to have an articulating screen.
Hold on….over over 500 shots means sth like 700 900 1000?
Nex7 has touch screen…wow…quit attractive to me….what does the 2 buttons on top function?…it is a button, jog dial?…
its probably dials for shutter speed, apature or iso.
No, over 500 means around 501-549. Say if he camera can do 701, they will state as over 700.
Since when was the Minolta hot shoe “universal”?
Remember “Universal Media Disc” for PSP?
I am in doubt about the price of a77 and a65 now. How come a65 cost so much compare to a77 with all those cool features?
Andrea, please give us some light… 🙂
And thank you Andrea for the a77 spec. I am a happy guy now 🙂
How come NEX5N has a different ISO range than NEXC3? Hard to believe they are different.
I complained in a previous post about the quality of SAR posts, but I really like the way this news was presented–very clean and very defined. Thanks for the update, Andrea.
Hi Folks!
Does anyone know anything about the shutter life?
100.000 cycle?
150.000 // ?
200.000 // ?
Thanks!
lol
sony never tells alpha nor nex ‘s shutter life
You’re wrong.
the shutter life is for warranty claim purposes.
if the unit break downs within 1 year (or 3 years warranty in some country)
if shutter is pass the shuttercount, the shutter unit is not in warranty, eg:250,000 (thats a lot!) you are require to pay for the replacement.
other then that, its all under warranty coverage.
and one thing i need to stress, its not like the shutter will jammed up at 250,001st shutter release(or 150,001, or 200,001… only inside sony has the chart for each model of shutter unit). how would we count the shots used with MultiNR iso, or HDR, or video mode?… there is no way proper way to count it anymore…
Although pennyless I am getting pretty excited. Any word on the flash synch speed?
What is with people and their need for high ISO. If I can’t get a shot under 1200 ISO then I just don’t take a picture. I though ISO is the last thing you wanted to use.
Not if the ISO is good even @ 6400, I happy to use high iso. Seen Canon user blindly use iso 3200 even at bright day light…because it look as good as my A700 @ Iso 800
the point is that if you have to shoot at iso 6400 your scene probably looks like crap anyways..
how often do you take photos at iso 6400 that you want to print 40inch for a gallery? 😛
Well, maybe not for a gallery, but in real world terms usable Iso6400 would be very helpful. For example, recently I was at the zoo shooting Leopards under heavy overcast sky. I was using my A100 at Iso800 and still managing only 1/125 shutter speeds. This may be fine if you are at 50-80mm but 200-400mm you just cannot use these shutter speeds. So, under these conditions, if I needed 1/640+ shutter speeds, I would NEED clean Iso6400. Definitely useful to have.
i’ve shot 17mm nightscape with handheld for 1sec, and handheld 400mm at 1/15 sec. sharp. 😉 and yea, 6400 clean iso is a very good buy.
i’m not silly to pay usd1600 for oly ep3+12mm for lousy iso and iq.
Good job with that 400mm. I’ve pulled off a 1/5@100mm before, but that’s moving into lucky shot territory.
@Mark
Are you comparing ISO of Canon FF with a700?
Who ARE these people making these claims? Have they ever published? Do they make a living from photography? Why waste time listening to this rubbish?
Yes, they all called ISO right? haha
“Seen Canon user blindly use iso 3200 even at bright day light…because it look as good as my A700 @ Iso 800”
Keyword from above sentence: blind! Canon’s highest ISO performance is only 1815 (5D Mark II) according to DxOMark. So using it at ISO 3200 means you’ll start seeing unacceptable noise. Well unless DxOMark was wrong, or you’re ….. (see the keyword).
in events where you really take pictures of and flash is prohibited or less prefered, like in say high class lounges or such, high iso is the only way out
and for need for high-shutter speeds too
How about 720p 30p/60p video recording?
Andrea, Good work 😉
Wow. VG20 going to kick ass. I wonder how much.
Ho…HO…HO…. 😀
today is 5th August, 18 days to go orange77 annoucement!
today is 5th August, 18 days to go orange77 annoucement!
today is 5th August, 18 days to go orange77 annoucement!
Sold your 600D yet?
Arg, got one demand it. But due to location too far. deal cant make. bcos i prefer COD only ><" damm… got few demand too, in progress
all with the technical spec, i need practical spec.
SAR, can i know that the A65 has dual dial or a single dail as the body may diff. if its a single dail on A65, its obvious everyone will lean to A77 even more.
how bout the AEL/metering button? set in FN? no physical button/switch?
all the technical spec really bores me, because in 1 year or two, sony will pop up some new APS-C better then this. but i rather know the physical practicalness of it, because the next 2 years, we wont see an A77 replacement. that is the big deal. need more physical information from your source.
weather sealing is a nice news. need more~~ how bout flash sync speed? flash commander for/from popup? F20 WL trigger support?
http://i51.tinypic.com/1628kud.png
If Andrea’s image is correct, then the A65 has a rear wheel. What rear buttons it has remains an unknown.
im quite upset with the final specs, especially with the ISO.
though provided high ISO range is no garuntee for high ISO quality, i belive SONY isnt the kind of company that puts out deciving specs just for sale. to me, if SONY did put out ISO up to 120000, im quite sure they had significant breakthroughs in high ISO and is in fact capable of expending the usable ISO range, at least better than competitor brands.
but now that the spec has been cut to so, im not sure about the iso performances anymore.
all in all, this is a let down
i wont be bother with iso pass 12k. to me, if they can manage 6400iso like current A580iso3200, i am more then happy. 6400+F2.8 is considered taking light from a Really Dark environment, and if it able maintain the rite color, i am more then glad.
i wont expect ISO breakthrough after cramping 24mp into APS-C. noise comes physically/naturally after cramping so much density of electrical heat….
if they ever release another 12/14mp with 12k clean noise, that, i without doubt will buy. who knows. someday.
Colour goes to shit at high ISO on current dSLRs and dSLTs.
I have to agree. If 16000 is really the maximum, then it’s just a 1/3 stop faster than A55. And it’s overoptimistic to expect that the last 2 stops would be usable at all.
Now if it really ends up being only 1/3 stop better than A55, it might be inferior to the one-year-old middle class model A580 (which should be 2/3 stops better than A55, due to the SLT design). If this would end up being true, I would be REALLY disappointed. Independent of what earlier rumors suggested, I would definitely have expected the A77 to perform _better_ than the A580.
Well, I guess we’ll have to wait for the first tests to get a better idea of the real performance. I’d be glad to be wrong and see that the A77 rocks at 16000…
Btw: It would be a great feature if each 2×2 block of pixels could be binned in camera for extra high Iso shots @6 MP… (But I guess that’s pretty unrealistic)
the more important is not the max limit of high ISO, but the imagequality! I bet it will be a lot better.
Maybe the A77 is only “limited” at ISO 16000 because it’s where IQ begins to suffer.
I not bothered about the ISO as long.
As it is clean at 6400 i am a happy man.
where I am disapointed it is for the battery life.
I have 3 batteries for my a200 and dont really fancy buying different ones for the a77.
although having said that I will buy the grip anyway.
but still, 1000 with 2 batteries is pretty shit
GREAT NEWS! i done 3.5k photo on A580 with less then 40% batttery… its true.
its the matter how u uses it, not how much power it has.
i have a friend A55 shot over 800 photo with a single batt (left 13%). because he dont waste his time reviewing the photo, and have the LCD turn back in (off)
i just hope A77 can close the LCD back in like A55, then it would save a lot power just to use the top info lcd.
great news indeed!
I’d be very happy with the current battery performance of my a200.
brilliant
Admin can you please ask your sources if thhe new e-mount Zeiss lens is capable for full frame (NEX-9)?
I’ve been using the A580 for some time now. While it does shoot somewhat usable photos in ISO3200, the color is truly awful on these higher ISOs.
As mentioned above, I’d rather have a solidly working ISO3200 than ISO160000 that is just for show.
Also, video that runs for an hour an doesn’t stop after 5 minutes.
Have to admit that the lower iso and batterylife, the last minute priceraise and the omission of CF feels a little dissapointing to me.
…but….if the low light performance is very good (clean shots at 3200-6400-12800)…i’m still very enthousiastic.
People who think that lowlight performance is not a big deal probably take pictures in studios exclusively.
The lack of CF card support is a real downside. If you can shoot 12 fps RAW then you need the best memory performance you can get.
CF -> fastest available card: 600x 90 MB/s
SD -> fastest available card: 45MB/s
Depends on the buffer size and processing speed. The card speed is only part of the equation.
Yeh Sure
see below SD 95MB/s
http://delkin.com/i-6483225-32gb-delkin-elite633-sdhc-uhs-i-memory.html
future will reach 350 with UHS-II will CF has reached its limit.
SD -> UHS-I card available now: 104MB/s R:95MB/s W:80MB/s
SD -> UHS-II card available at 2012: 312MB/s
Toshiba SDHC UHS-I card R95・W80 model:
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/p-media/sd/r95w80_spec_j.htm
Panasonic 32GB SDHC UHS-I RP-SDA32GJ1K:
http://ctlg.panasonic.jp/product/info.do?pg=04&hb=RP-SDA32GJ1K
Any chance of a picture of the VG20?
Is it the same shape as the vg10 or a total rethink?
and finally what’s the prefix ‘X’ in the sensor description ?
Thank You
Thanks Andrea for the Update – good work as allways!
So there is no build in GPS für the NEX 7/ Series?
No Tiltscreen on NEX 7?
Is the NEX5 faster in AF than NEX7?
No Manual Video Control in NEX 7 as like in A77?
Hi there, thx for the news! Any release date for the Nex-5N ???
Is the AEB (auto exposure bracketing) any good on a77/a65?
Its acceptabel on 850/900 but in all other models it’s complete rubish…
The A77 iso range is plain wrong. It is no custom to present the working range without using full stops at both ends. The Sony officials have been crying about that high iso performance, so if it is less than iso 25600 some heads will turn pretty red…Since it’s a rumor site, I would suggest max iso is 25600, with a full stop extra in the expanded range (in 1/3 steps).
just purchased new camera bag…
have to wait until December to purchase a77/nex-7/a65 or vg20
yup definitely gonna pick 1 of them
What about 25p?
Good question! I really hope that the video mode of VG20 (and A77) is NOT limited to NTSC formats like 24p and 60p only. Panasonic made this mistake with the GH2, leaving out 25p and making the camera useless for a lot of work in PAL countries. The VG20 sold in Europe, Asia or Australia needs 50p/25p and 50i. And BTW: Any idea about the price of the VG20?
500 shots?
lol, that’s a toy, not a pro camera. average pro would have to carry 10 batteries. screw EVF and pellicle
Pro should know how to get more shots from 1 battery. Heck even I know that though I only have NEX.
Where is micro AF adjust?
At 24MP, I hope Sony’s firmwares start including options to shoot smaller resolution RAW files. It’s just annoying to have 20 MB files for each shot…
Don’t think that’s possible as RAW is unprocessed data from the sensor. You’d need a smaller sensor if you’d want that!
x.fine Jpeg is the way to go 😉
canon has this. why not sony? i do agree with michel V, and i am sure sony does thought bout it. i really hope they offer
raw (L,M) + jpeg (L, M, S)/(XF,F,std) choice
What about the AF microtuning for lenses? Does the A77 still have it ? And the A65?
+1
nex7: I hope for a 3-way tilting screen…
If it’s not at least 7-way, I’m leaving Sony forever! 😉
Yes, I know many people want a 3-way.
ISO on NEX-5N is bigger than NEX-7, why Sony?
I can take more 30 shots on NEX-5 than NEX-7, isn’t the batteries the same? I heard OLED screens consume less energy.
What is the Autofocus system and speed on NEX-7?
I hope they still make improvements towards to the end product.
The Sony A77 looks good, but why so much differences towards the A65?
The more pixel you put in a small sensor the more it’s subject to noise in high iso, so that’s maybe the reason…
Andrea, do you have any information about the buffer size of A77?
The 12fps of 24MP now scares me of how many shots the buffer can take before it maxes out.
Also, I’m a bit disappointed with the 16,000 MAX ISO of A77… the “hundreds of thousands” ISO rumor had me dreaming I guess…. I hope this would atleast be the 1/3 stop of improvement over the A55 and the A580 that your previous sources mentioned. 🙁
Indeed, makes one wonder what happened to the high ISO performance rumors.
“hundreds of thousands” can be easily true. if native iso is 16,000, then expandable iso can go to 256,000
I think the ISO can expand to “hundreds of thousands” either by Pixel Binning or Multi-Frame NR.
What about the price of the NEX-5N?
Hi,
in previous spec, there was a battery life over 1000 shots, now you’ve wrote only 500! Please, can you ask you sources about it and also about the battery grip – will A65 have battery grip support too?
Hmmm. only thing I am somehow worried about is battery. Battery is what I really hate on a55, so here would be nice at least 800 shots per battery…ISO isnt really problem for me, cuz not using more than 1600 or 3200 ..
60fps at full hd?? would be very nice!
Does it have a sspecial meaning, that there is no shutter speed given for the NEX-7?
Where does it say the Nex 7 display isn’t tilting ?
I hope it does, else no Nex 7 for me …
+1 but it’s not specified either for Nex-5N, and they don’t have the choice on this body…
Andrea, what are the functions of the NEX-7 touchscreen? Can it be used for pinpointing the focus spot?
Mmmmhhhhh, so does this mean that the NEX-7 will have better high-iso performance than the A77, since no glass gets in the way?
In test results, yes. But there is no real world difference between the A580 and A55, so don’t get your hopes up.
The benefits of the fixed mirror in the A77 resulting in continuous PDAF during video and faster focusing for still images far outweighs the increase in the noise due to 1/3 light loss. In the real world, the differences in noise would not even be noticeable. However, the advantages of PDAF certainly will be noticeable while shooting. Infact, they are more likely to be the USP (Unique Selling Point) for the A77.
what do u mean there is no glass? the lenses in front are all glass~ 😛 does that means using 70200G will degrade the quality since it has lots of glass?
It´s funny how Olympus and now Sony claims: “Same AF speed as the GH2”.
They yearn to build such a camera…
GH3 is coming soon, so maybe they should consider global shutter instead of funny claims..:)
You can hardly conclude from that statement that they “yearn to build such a camera”. It is ore likely that Sony wants a camera to rival Canikon than Panasonic!
Why would they rival Canikon loosers?
what happened to the AFfine tuning capabilities on the a77?
Indeed, this has been asked three times now, hopefully the admin simply missed it off the list and will update when he gets time.
Anybody thinking that the 1,000 shots claim was with the vertical grip and two batteries?
Where is WiFi?
Sony is about to release S1 and S2 tablets, which could be used as wireless remote controllers AND the bigger one also as a wireless wiev-screen or a monitor.
Sony is proud to integrate the different product lines – VAIOs, tablets, Bravias, Playstations, Cybershots and whatever – but where is the integration with Alphas? Come on, Sony, really!
Not sure – A580 took 2,5 fully charged battery to made 5500 raw files. During one day – mostly with 58 flash. 95% with optical viewfinder. So even with OLED viewfinder 1000 fotos looks real.
BTW Andrea – any info about buffer size? How long camera can stay on 12 fps speed?
That would be nice, might even make me consider giving my iPad to the kids if Sony made it exclusive to their tablet
What I really want to know is the weight of the Nex-5N vs. Nex-7.
WHAT?!?!?!?!? No CF card??? Those freaking jerks. Do I really have to go out and buy more of these crummy SD cards????
Why are you complaining about buying SD cards when the body alone is going to cost you 1050 EURO / 1300 USD? The cost of SD is a fraction of the cost of the body and lenses.
I’ve invested over $1600 in Hoodman CF cards recently. SD cards are garbage; they’re easy to lose and the build is worse. Not to mention, I’ve never heard of a pro body camera utilizing SD cards. Very poor decision.
And just see
Smart teleconverter function with 1.4x and 2.0x option – digital zoom in Alpha??? Only in jpg mode – or not?
Really disapointing that the 24 zeiss will not work (leaf shutter) on nex 3/5 – C3/5N …
i was hoping so much about this wide angle !!!
and next year what will be the surprise of the G lens … an other bad one for “old” nex owner ??
Why wouldn’t it work?
What? No GPS in the NEX-7 and NEX-5N? If that’s true, it is a huge disappointment! What about grid overlay? Features like these would be many times more important than all this emphasis on video, for my photography! AT this point, not having had my hands on these cameras, lack of OVF is also huge negative as is any APS-C sensor. But I do understand that that is what a lot of folks want — just not for me.
ISO is 100-16000? What happend to ISO over 100,000 as previously reported? In order to compete against Nikon high ISO is a must. Canon on the other hand does not worry me.
If ISO 16000 is as good as A550 ISO6400 then it is good. Sony’s newest sensor is as good as it gets compare with Canon’s. IMHO, it may provide even higher ISO with multi frame noise reduction (only good for still object).
Photorumors list the a77 with a few additional specs including panorama and face detection things we’ve seen on recent entry level cameras.
http://photorumors.com/2011/08/04/sony-nex-7-nex-5n-a77-and-a65-detailed-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-30445
Photorumors also lists it with GPS support, not built in GPS. I’d hate to have some hotshoe mounted accessory like Nikon has.
Andrea
I don’t see it listed for the A77 and it was rumored many times int the past.
Auto focus micro adjust???
🙂
Didn’t get that info now. Sorry!
Thanks
Well SSS also isn’t listed but I’m sure its in there.
19 more days and it will be written in stone.
🙂
Hope it will be some improvement in the SSS too.
😛
Regarding Sony’s decision to go with SD cards…. this news just popped up today:
http://www.gillavi.com/blog/leica/leica-m9-sandisk-failure/
Interesting… I really wish they included CF cards in the mix with the camera… 🙁
Leica dont and as it was more than one peson and 1 type of card it looks like a leica problem and could have hapened no mater what type of card it used. This argument is rather stale as there is no real reason to use CF hence nobody does.
SDHC is a common format on camcorders and increasingly the only option on quite a number of DSLRs. In any event, a professional camera (in the true sense that people use it for paid work) ought to provide the option of writing files to two different cards for security. I’m not sure there is any evidence that CF cards are more reliable than SDHC, but either could fail.
However, in this case, it sounds like a Leica-related issue.
If this is going to compete with the X100 (which really, it isn’t…especially considering Sony will probably make 10x more of them in the first month than Fuji’s made total), then the NEX-7 + 24mm kit has to cost no more than $1500. Seeing as that’s virtually impossible (I’d say $2000 in the very least), it’s silly to compare the two.
fap fap fap!!! can’t wait.
Love all the video stuff. Love the way the NEX-7 is looking. Thing is, if it had GPS on it, then it would be an instant buy. None of my photos are GPS tagged because who has the time to do that? But I wish they were– I really wish they were!
So, maybe I’ll wait until 2012 and they might release an update to the NEX-5 or 7 with GPS.
Though I do like the idea of an EVF….and video… it’s just too soon to replace the NEX-5 unless its really compelling.
Im looking squarely at the NEX-7, but not going to buy it until it has built in GPS and Sony gets serious about JPG conversion. I don’t want to shoot in Raw all the time. So I’m sitting back and watching the market. Maybe Canon will make a 70D with built in GPS first?
Any indication if the NEX-5N will feature full manual controls in video as well? If it does I’d purchase that over the NEX-7 to save some cash as it’s the video that really sells these cameras to me…
Any information about maximum flash sync speed ?
Would it be improved from the old 1/250s ?
Cheers!
My biggest fear – it may turn out none of the new cameras will work in studio.
A55 is disaster in studio it seems,
NEX-5 is uber cool camera and does not do any flash – studio has not even crossed my mind. I keep my A700
I wonder if Sony understand this is a sales blocker. Especially for more expensive gear. You cannot use it to even attend any photo training – while a miserable D40 will do fantastic.
Have you seen these photos of the A77?-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25337738@N06/5936100961/sizes/z/in/pool-1706137@N21/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25337738@N06/5936151455/in/pool-1706137@N21/lightbox/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25337738@N06/5936796334/in/pool-1706137@N21/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25337738@N06/5936928568/in/pool-1706137@N21/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25337738@N06/5957630672/in/pool-1706137@N21/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25337738@N06/5936249005/in/pool-1706137@N21/
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will it have built in image stabilization photo rumors suggests this
Poo, I am going to hold out for the A99 with 12-way-tilting screen… everybody knows that what really impresses the chicks is how many ways your screen tilts…
…seriously, these specs all sound pretty persuasive to me. ISO 16000 is plenty if it’s GOOD… I’d rather have usable 16000 than looks-good-on-the-spec-sheet-but-horrible-pix ISO 128,000 or 256,000 or whatever.
Proof will be in the pudding, of course, but suddenly ditching my current Nikon (dSLR) and Panasonic (m4/3) systems and going to all Sony is starting to seem both feasible and appealing. Is there any chance the A77 and NEX-7 use the same battery? Please oh please?? I assume they can both use the same dedicated flash system and that there’s a NEX adapter for A-series lenses… just think, for the first time since the film era, all my stuff would work with all my other stuff!
where they a fake those new talking about a new nex with A mount?
I am very interested in it…or
is there any nex adaptor that can let you use A mount WITH autofocus for nex 7 ?
It should be possible with the rumored translucent adapter for Alpha mount LA-EA2
Whats the AEB (auto expousure bracketing) settings in a77?
If its possible to set X nuber of pictures at ±X EV would it be grat!
The present ±0.7EV max on a700 is katastrofic…
Is it possible to use the evf in a studio enviroment? (using flashes in manual mode)
For accidentally dropped slr camera unit, do they have this feature?
{I’m talking about the body only.}
was that really a FULL specs of a77? Nothing else?? Nearly all the a55/580 specialities dropped off. How about MS card? “Hundreds of thousands” ISO is 16000? Battery life dropped to 500?? No stabilizer in body??? No panorama, face or smile recognizion or other (ok, actually unnecessary 😉 toys. Maybe time to turn back to older models.
Can anyone share if Nex7 share the same flash shoe with Alpha camera?
Questions:
1) Any word on manual exposure control for video?
2) Also, any 25p or 30p setting? I find it interesting that 60p is mentioned without any of these intermediate frame rates.
Would appreciate any reliable input on these questions!
Keep up! see the artical on 3rd Aug plus later comentry all your questions answered 4 days before you ask.
see
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-the-video-revolution-is-coming-a77nex-7vg20-with-fullhd-60p-and-full-manual-controls/
Both the A77 and Nex7 look like amazing cameras; I hope they are. I am worried though that the perported 12fps in the A77 is as limited as the 10 FPS in the A55. If we can shoot at that speed in any mode, not one assigned to us by Sony, then this will be a dud to those of us who see this as a sports photography machine.