Now that is working fine! Yesterday we asked our sources if they can send us some more hands-on report about the new products and here we are with the very first short impressions shared by them:
1) Translucent adapter
It delivers exactly the same autofocus performance as in the [shoplink 3617]A33/A55[/shoplink]
2) A77
The camera is soooooooooooo fast! The bad news is that [shoplink 7833 ebay]CF[/shoplink] was dropped at the last stage of design. The screen really is awesome. Another bad news is that price has gone up again likely retail at 1299$ body only.
3) NEX-7
Feels really nice in your hands and the built-in OLED viewfinder is a winner. It records video at 24p FX/PS 1080. The prototype photo is accurate! The controls do make a lot of sense when you know what all the buttons do.
4) 16-50mm SSM lens
It is SILENT! I didn’t notice any vignetting at 16mm but didn’t really look. And the lens is weather sealed (as is the a77+grip)
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Any info about the price of NEX 7, Andrea..? 😀
Bad news about no CF support, but I guess I can live with it.
On the NEX A-Mount translucent adapter, does it have a screw drive? It’s a rather important point for those with a lot of legacy lenses (also, is it a retrofit for the older NEX cameras and wil there therefore have to be a firmware upgrade).
Yep… lack of CF is sad 🙁
I wonder how they’ll handle performance only with SDs than. RAID???
SD UHS a pipe dream perhaps? 😛
Dual slot might help if the firmware can save a separate file to both at the same time (maybe by one per bionz core?) – I think I’ll forgo RAID-0 striping as that would be a nightmare. There are SDHC cards out there that claim up to 60MBps write speed, so a pair of those could, theoretically sustain 120MBps. This camera is going to need a large buffer with a rumoured 12 FPS and 24MP.
There are atleast 2 brands offering SD cards with a max write speed of 80MB/s (Delkin and Panasonic).
Already before in camera picture I noticed that card door is to small for CF. Still hope its A65.
SanDisk Extreme® Pro™ SDHC™ UHS-1 Card is 45Mb/s. Where did you find 100Mb/s?
The Kingston UltimateXX SDHC card is 60MBps. You would only get > 100MBps if the camera could write to two of these at the same time using dual slots – maybe writing alternate files to separate slots. The Nikon D3 can do something like that when writing RAW+JPEG (raw to slot 1, jpeg to slot 2). It would be feasible to design a camera to write alternate files to both slots in parallel. It would be one way of coping with slower card speeds.
Actually it was widely discussed before that equally fast CF cards are generally cheaper than SDHC. In addition I already have fast (up to 90Mb/s) CF cards while for SDHC it is just theoretical possibility and they will be pretty expensive. For travel with 24 Mpix camera at least 64Gb of memory or some 300USD is necessary only for fast SDHC cards.
CF slot is not deal beaker, but I’m pretty disappointed. Just count it together:
A77 1300
Grip 300
SD Cards 300
And you are close to 2000.
Don’t forget extra battries.
Do we know what battery it uses?
As will older battery chargers still work?
The Toshiba SDHC UHS-I cards R95·W80 Model claim to have Theoretical speed:104MB/s, Read speed:95MB/s and Write speed:80MB/s.
http://www.toshiba.co.jp/p-media/sd/r95w80_spec_j.htm
and you can get one from:
http://shop1048.jp/product/product_detail.aspx?pfid=SD-E032GUX-D$$36J$$0
It costs 520USD!!!
It half a price of camera! For 520 USD I could by 4(four) 32GB 600x UDMA 6 Compact Flash Cards.
SD cards are cheaper so perhaps that is a trade off.
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
Does the NEX A-Mount adapter AF with lenses w/out SAM?
Is it compatible with the current NEX-3/5/3C cameras or NEX-7 only?
PLEASE ANSWER~!!!!!
NO!!! uh … YES!!! uh …
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yes, please ask the source if the adaptor has a micro motor to screw drive non-SAM/SSM lens
A77: Ouch, that price update from around 1050 € to 1299 $ really hurts.
Maybe the price of the A65 stays where it was rumored 1 week ago, at around 900 €, that would make sense in my opinion.
A price like you quoted would make zero sense, given the price, build and features of current entry level SLT’s.
599 € for the A35
949 € for the A65
1249 € for the A77
This makes zero sense to you ?
Is euro € or US $ ?
With many electronic products, the prices often translate 1:1 from U.S. dollars to Euro.
If a camera costs 1000 $ in the US, it probably costs about 900-1000 € in Europe (although 1000 $ = 700 €).
Read again, you said €900. I’m expecting an extra A55 replacement too.
Looks like the price might be a bit steep, might wait to see what the FF option is before dipping into the pockets.
I don’t see a full-frame price war between Canon, Nikon and Sony yet so pricing should remain about the same.
All three’s full-frames are getting old with no real product announcements for replacements made public, just rumored.
Depending on features and performance, I don’t see any business reason for any of the three to market a replacement full-frame professional grade camera body any less than $2,000 USD and likely close to the same price-point as current products.
I’m budgeting $4,000 USD for when the replacement ships for my A850
As It sounds like I’ll need to replace my stack of CF memory cards, and likely my batteries and maybe my chargers. I’m not a big grip fan, so no need for that, but I do use Really Right Stuff’s L-brackets to attach my equipment to tripods and mono-points and a body change will require a new L-bracket.
It can add up quickly to real money 🙁
So, Sony removed CF card slot, increased price? I hope there will be no more bad news.
On the A580 the memory stick (duo pro HG) is faster than Transcend class 10 SD.
They might have increased the buffer (to compensate) leading to the price rise.
Sony never removed the CF card slot. There simply was never a CF card slot despite what this site’s admin had been claiming for a long time.
The price was also not increased because the previous information printed here was simply made up.
This site lies a lot claiming it is from “trusted” reviewers.
How can “trusted” reviewers lie to you on second (“It has a CF card slot”) and then the next (“CF card slot is gone”) and you still believe them and publish them as “trusted”.
When this camera is finally released, we will see how many false stories about it were published here.
Notice that as the announcement date approaches, the rumor monger in chief here is slowly changing the specs from made belief ones to ones that sounds more likely.
I’m still going to bet that there will be no native “ISO in the hundreds of thousands” as claimed here to drum up hype.
There also will not be thunderbolt etc.. No 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM kit lens
No 60% better sharpness/performance than A55 etc..
What an unhappy person you are.If your so disappointed in this site leave and don’t come back. Better yet start your on rumor site and see how well you do.
Hey, its my opinion. There is no reason to get personal about it.
And yes, I’m unhappy about what I complain about.
If I was admin here I would take your comments personally as calling someone a liar is not an opinion it’s an accusation. If you accuse someone of lying back it up with facts, if it’s your opinion then preface it with an IMHO. I find your comment about being personal extremely offensive when you’ve done nothing but attack the admin in your above post. I think it goes something like “ the pot calling the kettle black”.
PNut, you need to go out and shoot my friend 🙂
I also believe the A77 never was going to have a CF card slot. Anyone knowing anyone who works or has worked at Sony knows there BIG RULE ( IF YOU TALK ! YOU WALK ! ) I was told never to believe anyone, who said they have inside info before a official release. (CF card wrong) (price wrong) (GPS ?)
You’re throwing in things that were never claimed. Such as the “native” part. Read again.
what was the final prise?
1600? or 1800?
madness… 🙁
Questions about Nex 7
Estimated announcement/release?
Estimated price?
Manual controls for video??
Thanks 😉
NO CF???? WTF!!!! Bummer about the price of the A77 but I’m sure it’s worth it…unless the EVF sucks….but we shall see….but no CF??? Come on!!!
The funny part, even the prototype shown last year clearly had no CF slot. The body price quoted now seems more in line with what was to be expected too, based on the supposed gap between features and build of this camera and say the A55.
Makes you wonder about some of those SR4/SR5 rumors. 😉
There was no CF slot in the transparent prototype.
The recent photo look so close to that prototype,
so it is not surprise that there is no CF slot in the final product.
That’s what I said. 😉
So how come Trusted reviewers who had supposedly seen and tested the cameras said that there was a CF card slot?
Where did SAR get information from saying that CF slot was present when it was clear to everyone that it wasn’t?
There is really not much to complain about at that price, it’s aot of camera for a very reasonable price. Gutted about CF being dropped though! Major error on Sony’s part I believe. Not long till the official announcement now tho…
When did Sony say it would support CF-cards? It was never in the mock-ups.
Some people’s whishfull thinking just got trashed.
A 24MP camera than can possibly do up to 12fps… That ain’t wishful thinking to want CF, it’s LOGICAL. Think of the throughput this is going to have!
There is only one (Sandisk) CF card that is a bit faster than the current (available) fastest SD cards from Delkin and Panasonic (both 80/95 MB/s write/read). That CF card retails for about $1500. I doubt most people would want a CF slot to fit that expensive card. ;). So the type of slot is unlikely to be the speed bottleneck for most people.
Keep in mind the difference between declared speeds and actual speeds. 🙂
@Sky-Walker: these known name brands always deliver their claims. It’s up to the device to make it happen.
Ditto. Well said Spoon. I had to sell my a300 and two lenses to make up the funds for the a77! There is no way I could buy a CF card which costs $1,500!!
If I remember correctly, Sony stopped offering their own CF cards as soon as the first SD-card Alpha camera was on the market. Maybe that was a clue on future Alpha designs? I am so glad I did not pick up the 32GB 600X CF card that was on sale last week. 🙂
I’m not surprised by the price increase. 60D price for near 7D performance?
They paired with Sandisk and Nikon recently to develop new CF standard, outrunning every other cards by miles. So… they haven’t given up CF yet. 🙂
Did NEX-7 come with hot-shoe?
first rumors:… about 900$
now 1300… 40%+
big difference when $1000 is maximum I can/want to spend
I hope the NEX 7 price is in $700.
7 is a lucky number hehe.
Nex7 is almost definitely going to be >$1000.
$1099.99 i gues :)))
Well, now I gotta buy that adapter for sure 🙂
(hoping it will be affordable…)
Can we get some info on the A77’s autofocus? Is there CDAF and/or PDAF peaking? How good’s the micro-adjustment?
hope even better than OLY
Sorry if I seem confused, but isn’t 1299 US Dollars about 10% less than 1050 Euros?
Yes but based on historical Sony pricing, a camera costing $1299 in the USA, will cost between €1200 and €1300 in Europe. Well above what was claimed earlier.
yeaps! and it will cost more in australia.. probably 1500-1700 aud which will be a bummer considering aud is higher than usd now by a few cents HAHAHAHA!!
true. BUT Jap tech gear especialy Camares are always cheeper in USA than Europe. They are normaly sold at same price not same value. so $1299 means a euro increas to arround 1299 Euro. This may however explane the latest kit price. as $1000 camera + $800 lens for $1800 did mot seam good offer but $1299 Camera + $799 lens for $1799 would make sence.
Well, all the time I had feelings that the price will be about 1.200 – 1.500 .
All I am woried about is EVF. I hope it will be much faster, and in dark not to “lag”…
I really want to know if A77 will have manual control over video and a solution of overheating problem in video too.
overheating is easy fix, but for manual control over video I don’t know. BUT keep in mind that Sony is in video over the years so I think they already have the solution on that.
What about battery? I hope it can take like 1000 shots , becouse on a55 battery really sucks :/
it was rumored (SR5 if memory serves me well) that it’s gonna be capable of taking 1000 shots.
I never believed the €1000 price anyway, far too good to be true.
I am 100% happy paying £1300 plus the 16-50 (ESPECIALLY if weather sealed properly!)
Exactly. I posted here myself when that tidbit was published that there was no way in Hell that Sony was going to sell the A77 for close to $1,000.
proven correct again.
Uhm well, so we can throw all our CFs to the dogs.. I am really looking forward to see what Nikon is going to do with the same sensor anyway.
Then you have to pay $2,099 for that camera I guess!
Even as a non-Sony user, this camera really excites me.
It seems to be a real winner…
Damn why isn’t the old Sigma 150mm macro not avaiable for Sony, I don’t want to spend the premium prize for the IS-lense when I don’t need it. a77 will be a great macro-camera.
What do they mean by saying A77 is soooo fast? AF speed? What about ISO performance? Is it sooooooooo good? 🙂
Hope they are talking about EVF too 😀
is it in manual mode during video?
A77: no CF-card, thats really really bad news
…and shit, i already bought a very expensive fast CF for 140 €, shit
You bought a CF card for a camera that hasn’t even been announced yet?
yeah i was buying it for my a700, needed it anyway, but hoped (or was sure) that the A77 will have CF
Crazy pricing~It is remembered that the production of A77 is lower than its rival of C&N, but now the price is on par with them. If Sony does not want to win via pricing strategy, it will definitely end up with big failure.
Indeed, Sony can only gain market share on price. When all the camera magazines and all the sales people are telling you to buy a Canon or Nikon, why would you ignore their “expert” advice and spend 1299 (plus lens) on a Sony???
D7000 announced @$1299 16 MP 6 FPS
NO CF card
No IBIS
NO AF Zeiss
🙂
But it’s got a Nikon badge and that is what people look at. Nikon is a safe choice. Sony needs to be CHEAPER than Nikon and Canon to attract people to Sony.
Are you saying Sony is a “four letter word”?
🙂
I agree the majority look for the CaNikon name but..
It will be cheaper than the Nikon D400 by I’m guessing 3-500 dollars
Same 24 MP
?FPS
NO IBIS
NO AF Zeiss
If Sony had priced the A77 @$800 it would then be considered a toy
They may indeed sell more @$1299 than @$1000 because of how it is perceived.
A lot has to do with marketing.
On the other hand we see what has happened to the Sigma SD1
😉
@John
But D400 users get plenty of lenses and a “safe” Nikon badge, that’s what matters to them, not a few hundred dollars on the price of the body.
Sony – twice as dangerous as Canikon!
They should use it as an advert headline. 😛
Doesn’t sound like a Sony marketing line to me.
Wouldn’t it be something like “twice.as.dangerous” or something?
I agree. Sony only has the price advantage with Canikon. Canikon has more image quality and high iso. If the A77 does not compete in this regard, it is useless paraphernalia fill their machines to attract customers. The main reason for buying cameras is because they take photographs. Video is an accessory. An extra feature. Nikon makes the sensor more with Sony that Sony itself. When Sony will learn from it? Canikon will release new machines and better than the current ones. Is Sony to launch machines to compete with them? FF and APS-C? Can not compete either with the current!
“Canikon has more image quality and high iso” – Since when Canon has more image quality at high ISOs? Where have you been during last year? 😉 hehehe. It used to be true, but these times are gone… for now.
@ Sky_walker
LMAO
🙂
It has been rumored for months that ALL camera equipment costs will be going up, because of the tsunami etc. We’ll see.
Btw, I said a while back that a price of aound $1200 for the A77 would leave room for the A65 at $1000 and the new A55 replacement I believe is coming at $800–over the A35 at $600.
I don’t mind A77 cost the same as the D400.
If it perform the same or better than it.
We want a great apsc camera from Sony not a cheap one.
There are too many entry level camera from Sony already.
But they miss one that can compare with the D400.(D300s)
Thank you!
If you want a cheap camera, buy a cheap camera
If you want a quality state-of-the-art photographic tool then be willing to spend market pricing for it!
Look around at Nikon and Canon and the others, even at $1,500 USD if it ships as rumored this new Sony a77 camera body is a good deal!
D400 will cost way more IMO.
D300 announced price 1800
D300s announced price 1800
D400 announced price 1800?
A700 announced price 1400
A77 announced price 1300?
🙂
Ha! Ha!! An equivalent camera of a77 from C&N will cost at least $2,000 or so IMO 🙂
I am interested in the ISO capabilities of the A77. We got different infos so far…
How good is the noise at 100% view in RAW (or jpg with NR disabled) compared to the A55 or other cameras ?
Equal or one stop better? Or more?
Thanks
Christoph
It would be a great achievement if in RAW mode per pixel noise at high ISO would be as low as with the 16mp sensor.
Admin, do the sources tell you anything in this regard?
Comparing pixel vs pixel it won’t be the same because a pixel on a suggested 24 MP aps-c sensor will be exposed to less photons. But at an image level it will be atleast as good because there are more pixels too.
Lots of bad news… about A77
A Top model camera without CF cards???
Price raised?
Still no news about it’s image quality and high iso performance… and that leaves it’s fastness to a second stage…
We all know it’s fast… 12fps… but does it AF during continuous mode?
How fast is the AF and how well does it works on continuous AF?
We also already know it lost the physical button to switch the metering modes 🙁
1300USD + What about the grip??? Probably too expensive as well…
What’s the kit price (with the 16-50 lens)? The lens costs as much within the kit and outside the kit?
The adaptor is not important and I don’t foresee any success for it…
The NEX7 is probably a good camera… but it’s just another NEX… We already had 3 of those and still no TOP APS-C camera from Sony!
Why do you need to switch metering modes anymore? With the EVF youcan clearly distinguish whether your shots are correctly exposed or not and adjust and lock accordingly.
I can think of several instances where switching metering modes saves so much time both during the shoot and during post processing, at least for me with OVF. I have never used EVF.
Not true… You still need metering and metering modes, and you still need histogram… You’ll see in the end!!!
the histogram is also present in the EVF right?
Not true… You still need metering and metering modes, and you still need histogram… You’ll see in the end!!!
You’d still have to correct incorrect exposures, which could get rather tedious.
Expose, lock, recompose can be done pretty much instantaneously with practice.
I’m also wondering how fast is the AF, specially the continuous AF. And how good are the AF local area points. This is one of the biggest negative things of the A700. Shooting sports you can only use the one in the middle, the rest is useless and then it’s still to slow.
And the missing of the metering modes button is a big minus! Can’t understand that they left this… Every serious photographer uses this. And sony wants to be a serious competitor in the professional market?? Big step to forget this… Which is also the choice to have no CF cards!
And then the price, for this price you can buy an equal Nikon or Canon… okay, no 12 fps but a good photographer knows when to shoot… 😉
Good mean a bye bye sony for me…
It could mean also “Goodbye Sony” for me…
Let’s see what other issues will come next…
Probably the “amazing high-iso quality” won’t be so amazing after all…
I don’t believe much in miracles.
And as A77 does not support the mirror-flip-up, Nikon and Pentax will have much better solutions with the same sensor – just see the difference between A55 and A580… A580 without the translucent mirror gets much higher marks.
The metering is important… too much… You’ll see about that later…
The CF cards is a killer… even it’s hard to believe for me… let’s see in the end!
But this is getting worse and worse… and worse of all, there is not still any official news from Sony about the A77!
For us, A700 owners that have been waiting for this replacement for years, this is terrible!
I am sick of rumors and delays… I want real news!
I’m going the same way. Rumors “wonderful” about the qualities of the A77 which appear to be future disappointments. Have better high ISO just ask the Nikon or Pentax, as they say they do. Sony wants to be a pioneer in technological innovations, and not the best photos in high performance.
The camera yet to be released and you say bye bye?!!!
The A77 price similar to D7000.
and D7000 also do not have a CF card slot.
So I am not surprise about it.
And a77 will be way better than the D7000 with 11 cross points focus, 24 MP and much higher ISO etc. 🙂
We did not have 3 NEX models, there are five of those: NEX-3, NEX-5, NEX-C3, NEX-VG10 & NEX-FS100.
Some guys never get it that E-Mount is for photography and video finally growing together, so a 24-Megapixel-NEX-7 should become as Top-APS-C as the NEX-FS100 is, nevertheless personally I think a built-in viewfinder is a step backwards.
Any news of when the 24mm Zeiss for the NEX is going to be announced?
Same time with NEX-7 I’d guess
Good:
Weather sealed; this is the first mention of sealing is it not? At least I only remember wishful thinking by readers and no mention by SAR.
Bad:
Price has gone up but IMO Sony learned of Nikon D400 pricing and had room to go up.
Bummer:
CF support lost. Is SD getting that fast or are design/engineering issues involved with CF?
Did NEX-7 come with swirl LCD, please?
Hi, may i know is US1200 or EURO1200 ?
No CF makes no sense at all. There are currently no SD or MS cards that can keep up with the sustained throughput of this camera; not by a long shot! Designing a camera that puts out 500 MB/s while storing it at a pathetic 20 MB/s makes no sense. UHS-I cards are in their infancy and hardly available to the public.
i really don’t get it why they do that
Sandisk have an SD card that does 45MB/s, not that I’m saying that’s really fast, but it’s more than double the 20MB/s you claim.
yep but only for 8 GB (??), thats nothing for HD video or 24 MP Raw’s
Currentley SD top out at 95MB/s, CF at 100(very expensive)MB/s. if this is UHS-II compatable it will top out at 350MB/s when SDXC UHS-II cards are available. So why would you want CF.
Are you sure you’re not quoting READ speeds?
As I said months before. At time the A77 being in shelves, SD card will WRITE at 100 MB/S. So don´t cry about no CF slot
Write speed 80MB/s. Prices well below $100. The only CF card that beats it at 100MB/s retails for a whopping $1200-$1500.
http://www.adorama.com/ICDDSDE63316.html?utm_term=Other&utm_medium=Shopping%20Site&utm_campaign=Other&utm_source=gbase
Did you read the customer comment on that link???
😉
Odd customer comment as there is a test online with this card and the D7000 showing the latter being the bottleneck but still speeds as fast as the fastest Sandisk (45MB/s write). No way an older SD card is going to beat 45MB/s.
> So why would you want CF.
Why would anyone expect marketing clowns and average vegetable consumers want compromised technology like SD?
History of MMC/SD has been struggling over capacity/speed limits with new backwards incompatible versions while CF is built around PC data bus (IDE/parallel-ATA) designed flexible from the start.
New serial-ATA based CFast is first backwards incombatible revision since CF’s introduction in 1994 and currently rated for 300MB/s of SATA 2 but 600MB/s of SATA 3 will surely be added soon, and with full backwards compatibility.
And besides more comfortable handling bigger physical package allows putting memory chips in parallel, just like in SSDs of computers, for increasing capacity and speed possible with same component tech if there’s demand, which decides lot when something possible actually becomes available. (and then competition/volumes decide pricing)
But even demand won’t overcome technical impossibilities like speed of single memory chip being unable to match two chips in parallel.
i wonder if they are planning on being able to save compressed-raw…
the dual processors should be able to compress the files on the fly… and if they are 1/2 the size, then write speed is less of a problem.
Sony cameras already support compressed RAW – I’m sure the A77 will be no different. The A77 won’t be any different. However, some people are concerned that cRAW may lose image quality (as some think it isn’t lossless), although nobody appears to have produced a properly controlled test showing there is loss of quality.
First Sony fully weather sealed lens? AWESOME.
First Sony fully weather sealed body? AWESOME.
😀
It’s a pity though about lack of CF support and price going up. But well… we’ll see what it can offer when the time comes 🙂 So far it looks very interesting.
CF would end up as outdata legacy slot. Sony are working with CF on next get cards but the new standard is clearly not ready yet. Sony will obviously use it when it can but the A77 is about the best tech available. CF is only 5% faster for a LOT of extra cost but is close to maxing out. IF SDXC UHS-II is suported (much more important than CF) then futue speeds of upto 350 MBs will be posible. So lets hope so but it would probably be the first device to do so so my expectations are limited.
Admin Please try to find out if UHS-II is suported on SD card.
We’ve been ranting about the missing CF card since we saw the translucent model and the profile photo. I’m actually surprised it took this long to confirm that there isn’t one.
CF dropped. A lot of A700/A900/A850 users won’t be able to use this camera alongside their current ones, it’ll be too different. You’ll have to buy two, or wait for the A99. Or… just buy one for where you’ll only need one body… Hmmm…
NEX-7 still sounding like a winner to me.
I personally won’t find it the end of the world, and I have a 64GB CF card in mine.
Leave the CF in the old body and move the MS into the new one.
You lose a lot of images if that card fails! Most prefer to break up their cards into smaller batches.
I personally hate to have to change cards every half hour, but that’s just me.
How many photos per half an hour? :S
My 8GB card gives me about 260. That’s over 8 photos every minute, constantly? Well it’s just a personal thing clearly, but if you’re being relied upon to deliver photos, you’re not going to stick a whole days shoot on one card. For personal things, that’s a different matter, but similarly I’m not going to fire off hundreds of images on a personal outing 🙂
I can take 300 shots in a day easy enough. Beyond that, it’s just a question of whether you’re more likely to lose a card, or have a card fail.
I usually fill the 8GB card in my A700 in a few hours.
Good to know that it will be full HD recording on NEX-7 comparing to one of the last post saying that probably would be only 720p.
Still two months for them to do any modifications on the camera, I wish could be one of pre-production tester for the camera.
The A77 looks a great camera, but I want to continue on NEX products.
Lets us see what will reserve for us on the next weeks.
Why would anybody other than “us” bother with a Sony that is 100USD more than the mighty Nikon D7000?
I was hoping for a Canikon killer, but the price has just killed the A77 sales before it even ships!
So much for SLT being a cheaper design. If it turns out to be 300GBP more than I expected, I’ll not be buying it. 🙁
That’s true. The 700 successor is already pretty late — let’s hope that it won’t also be too expensive or the game is lost forever…
a65 will tackle the D7000; and a77 will be the Rival of D300 replacement. Hence the price different. And US dollars value to Japanese Yen is tooooooo weak. Blame the US government. Don’t blame Sony.
A65 will not tackle the D7000 as it will be similar in price and the D7000 is what everybody recommends, so Nikon wins again…
The A77 will not compete with the D400 due to the lack of Sony lenses. People buying the D400 will want all of those Nikkor lenses that Sony don’t have.
It is not a matter of exchange rate, you’ll see the price will be similary high in all currencies… 😉
oh yeah! i am almost forget of this fact -SLT less cost! you made the point!
Mighty D7000? A77 will have 24MP, 11 AF cross points, much higher ISO and so on and still the price is same!
Shouldn’t you thank Sony instead of bashing? 🙂
Andreas,
More spec info about A65?
Phenomenal SAR! great work adreas!
With the price up hill is sound bad. Whenever the price up, the changes number has to be multiply with 3x (cough…cough….) I am thinking to re-align my approach continue stay with 600D and get Canon EF 28mm f1.8 USM 😀 wait for 15months, mature body with ton of features will be as main stream from everyone. my dream far away sink like titanic 🙂
If I was you I would stick with the Canon 600D too.
Is ridiculous! thing really ‘likely’ happen on the opposite way. Sound funny! Sound amazing! 😀
The EF 28/1.8 makes me glad I’m not a Canon user. That’s my favourite focus length.
On the other hand, if I shot Nikon I’d be constantly dreaming of a 28/1.4 AF-D…
fair price for a $600 usm lens 😀 unknow yet, may sneak A65 price lol but i do believe i will not buy a77
Strange: why on the back we have AF/MF Button and in the front of the camera the selector MF/C/P/A about the kind of focus?
AF/MF also on my A700. It is Direct Manual Focus.
If AF not working in low light, press AF/MF button to manual focus instead.
Very useful button on A700!
Agreed. Couldn’t live without the AF/MF button right under my finger. I’m glad the A77 has it.
Yes it is very useful. But it’s a pitty that switch for metering modes is gone. 🙁 I use it much more often than AF/MF button…
Why is there never a side view of the A77 – what are they trying to hide? Does the EVF look that bad?
A77 body only at $1,299. Is that the RRP or the actual price it will sell in store?
I may wait until New Year and see if prices fall when supply increases after launch.
Sony first said that the A77 store price was around the Canon 60D (1099USD).
They later said it would be slightly more than the 60D, so a 1299USD store price is probably right, the RRP will be higher I guess. 🙁
Add CF) I planned using Transcend Compact Flash 64GB 400x (R/W up to 90/60 MB/s at about 260$) but now I should look for fast SD. I have a question (especially for those who said SD is better choice): what SD(XC) card with simmilar speed and price can I buy?
Add ISO) Where ISO starts? That’s the question. For studio work it is much more crucial parameter. 100 ISO is too high…
I doubt it will have ISO less than 100
Even the A900 started @100
I’m afraid so… but there could be some positive suprise too…
Thanks Andrea for conzinuous update
No CF… Not important for me
but double SD slot as in D7000 or just single?
16-50 too short for me… snifff
Is there any hope for a secomd pack config? 16-80 16-105 ???
Really hope SSM update versions of one of them.
There is already Delkin 633x SDXC.
With dual slot( picture 1,3,5.. on card A, 2,4,6 on card B) We can achieve 100Mb/s write speed right now.
Crazy pricing (if true). I don’t believe Sony would want to go head to head with Nikon and the awaited D400. The current D300s is less than the rumoured A77 price.
Shame I would have bought the Sony A77 at the previously rumoured prices. At around £900 for the body only it would have represented great value and would be under cutting the D400 by a decent margin.
Once the price gets too close to the Nikon and Canon 7D I think those folks without legacy lens collections will just opt for the mainstream Canon and Nikon models.
Just my opinion.
The D400 will probably be offered at price of at least $1600.
If the NEX-7 will be available as a bundle with a 16-50 f/2.8 lens, that would be awesome.
I’m also hoping for a manual control in Video mode. It’s so missing on the NEX-5.
For the A77, if it’s going to feature two SDXC slots, with the camera recording 1 photo to card1 and then another photo to card2 – that should greatly improve the responsiveness and eliminate shot-to-shot lag.
If the price increase is correct then the A77 better be something very special otherwise the Nikon D7000, with be mine and many others choice over the A77.
I thought SLT cameras were +20% cheaper to make than OVF DSLR’s???
Yup the D7000 is a “safe” brand choice and 100USD cheaper. What are Sony playing at???
The D7000 is also a one year old camera at this point, soon to be replaced…
It is still a “safe” brand and the most highly recommended APS-C camera out there. Being a year old is irrelevant.
I don’t believe it will be replaced this year.
If the current speculated a77 specs bare out it will have specs superior to the D7000. If the MSRP is $1,300 us/cdn/euro then it will fluctuate just like the D7000 and all other cameras do at the retail level usually in the range of $50 to $100. If you can get this camera with the specifications that have been revealed on this site, and at the same price, or better than the D7000, than it’s a bargain.
The only thing holding me back will be the EVF…it better be good or I’ll have to reconsider my options.
shut up! go away if you can’t afford it, there’s a lot of option tard! 😀
An SLT is perhaps 20% cheaper to build than the equivalent dslr. But the A77 will not be remotely equivalent to the D7000; instead it will be light years ahead of the D7000, for perhaps a few more bucks, if the price from a camera tester (not the most reliable source for such things) holds up. I expect the even the A65 will be a somewhat better camera than the D7000 on virtually every front, and will cost hundreds less.
Btw, if tsunami & exchange rate issues have driven the price up, expect to see equivalent price rises with Canikon.
Ditto 🙂
Too bad there’s no ability to produce a good 16-85 f/2.0 lens.
And if such a lens existed, it would cost way too much.
I just see all the new compacts these days having at the very least x5 optical zoom, and I feel like I wanna cry. Why can’t we have a fast zoom lens on Sony NEX cameras with a reasonable price?
Not only sony, on aps-c, there is new body every yearwith more mpx, more effects, more fps, more video, but very few new lenses made for aps-c. Only the classic old 28~80 slow kit lenses and the f2.8 one 🙁
And only nikon and sony have a 35mm f1.8 made for aps-c standard prime and low price.
Why are you guys complaining about the prices? What cameras are you people comparing it too?
A few years old canon 7D? The d7000 which is in slower league than the a77. A55?
Come on… To be honest I didn’t really expect the price to be that cheap when it was first announced here.
Because Sony are going nowhere with that price. Why buy the A77 when you can buy a cheaper D7000? The D7000 that all the magazines and “experts” and forums are telling you to buy!
because the D7000 uses A55 sensor . A77 is 50% higher resulotion and 4X ISO rating of these cameras. A D300 would be a beter but poor comparison and lets see what the D400 (probably A77 processor) costs.
People buying at the 1200USD price point will not care about the A77 having more mpix, they only care about what everybody is telling them, buy a Nikon D7000 not a Sony.
As I said earlier, the A77 will not compete with the D400 as people who buy the D400 want all of those Nikkor lenses that Sony don’t have. As you go up the Nikon line, you have to have pro grade lenses to match their bodies. This isn’t so much of a problem at the D7000 level of user, but the D400 user expects a full range of lenses and the A77 has nowhere near it.
The A850/900 failed in terms of competing with Canikon for this very reason, they were cheaper bodies, but lacked pro lenses.
早买早享受，晚买享折扣
So you think paying 200 to 300 less for a semi pro body will suddenly make those currently interested in or shooting with Nikon lenses, less demanding when it comes to the Sony lens lineup after a switch? They would accept a suggested mismatch? Even going by your logic, I don’t think so.
Spoon, you are missing the point by a wide margin. What I am saying is that at the Nikon D7000 level the lack of Sony lenses is not much of an issue. Sony can produce cheaper bodies than the D7000 and get market share on price alone. But the A77 is too expensive.
However a person looking at the D400 will not be interested in the cost of the body, the amount of pro lenses is what matters. That is why the A77 will fail to compete at the D400 level.
The A77 fails twice. It is too expensive to compete with the D7000 and lacks the lenses to compete with the D400.
You’re assuming that at $200 less, what people tell them to buy is suddenly not so important. Or that those interested in a D7000 will not be missing the higher grade Nikon lenses on a body that (features and spec wise) is clearly aimed higher than the D7000, regardless of price. I think you are overestimating the suggested price effect, especially for cameras well above entry level. I also think you’re forgetting the suggested A65, which regarding price should be positioned well below $1299 and thus below the D7000.
Spoon, body price differences obviously influence buyers in the low to intermediate range. The vast majority of people will not buy anything more than the kits lenses, so if the body is well under the price of a Canikon, it will sell because price becomes more important to them. D7000 users who buy a 2k lens are the MINORITY so there is little point saying it.
At the D400 level, the body price difference is irrelevant. D400 buyers want lenses that are many times the body price. Lenses that Sony don’t have and will not have for years. It is a completely different type of user to the vast majority of D7000 users. D400 users who never buy anything more than the kit lens are non-existent, unlike D7000 users.
The A77 fails to appeal to either the D7000 buyer or the D400 buyer. I really fail to understand how you can’t grasp this simple point.
Not many people will be buying either the D7000 or the a77 as an entry level camera. So with your logic someone who owns an a700 with some Sony and Minolta glass and wants an upgrade won’t buy the a77 because on sale it’s 100 bucks more than the D7000. Instead they will switch to Nikon and sell all their gear?
I’ll take your logic one more step…those who want to purchase a D7000 will now purchase a D5100 because it’s a few hundred cheaper than the D7000. So now Sony’s out and the D7000 because the D5100 is cheaper?
Make sense to you?
then buy d7000 for your self. go run, jump, fly and get d7000! Don’t blame us if we buy 1Million pieces. Who cares tard!
Again you use the word (Tard) and admin let’s it go ? Hmm……that word really bothers some people! Clean it up! The type of guy that wouldn’t say SHIT if you were face to face!
The magazines, experts, & forums will soon be singing a different tune.
Buy the D7000 and be happhy mate. 🙂
Milos Janata: 64GB DELKIN ELITE633 SDXC UHS-I has slower write speed (45 MB/S) and costs twice ($540). Any better advice?
I am afraid that there will be one SD slot and one MS slot. And without possibility to write alternately.
For a card of this size and this type 64GB SDXC, this is the fastest card you can find around in the market.
Not sure where you are getting that info from but it has a write speed if 80MB/s, 33% faster than that CF card. It comes at a steep $430 (not $540) at Amazon.
Directly on Delkin site:
http://delkin.com/i-6690268-64gb-delkin-elite633-sdxc-uhs-i-memory.html
Even if street price is $430 it is still pretty much more than $187 for that Transcend CF from the same seller (Amazon). (The fact that in my country all prices are significantly higher and this Delkin is not even in offer on e-shops… it is another story.)
Interesting since they list 80MB/s for the 32, 16 and 8 GB model. Fact is, the camera itself isn’t out yet so what’s available now and current prices aren’t too relevant. For example Pretec already announced cheap UHS-I 433x SD cards too, which should be in stores within weeks. Speeds are increasing and prices going down with several months to go.
I hope you are right and availabity of fast and no so expensive SD cards will be rapidly improving. Right now CF cards are clearly better choice.
Wait month or two and A-data, sandisk, transcend and others will come with that card at half price.
What if instead of SD cards, they would start using mSATA cards?
They are very small, and have much faster read/write speeds (over 100MB/s).
Here’s a picture of one: http://legitreviews.com/images/news/2011/Netlist-mSATA.jpg
What do you guys think about this idea?
Hmmm…according to this site, only the mSATA slim is capable of high write speeds of 190MB/s:
http://www.pclaunches.com/hard_drive/netlist_msata_ssd_modules_announced.php
This form-factor can still fit into the grip, next to the battery of the NEX-5.
So, here’s some wishful thinking that soon we’ll see (NEX) cameras with truly high-performance storage.
Will the camera have dual card slots? I’d like to know if I can shoot photos in one and video on the other or store raw in one and jpeg in the other as the D3 does. That will be a plus. Having 2 SD slots instead of a mixed card slot is better but I know some of you might not agree.
I do not know why we are still thinking SLT should be much cheaper than slr…
Or sony cheaper than Canon Nikon…
Form several prices I was looking at they are pratically similar…
For exp prices in switzerland (web prices)
(today 1CHF ~ 1.2USD ~ 0.85EUR )
A55 league
A55: 800-
A55 + 18-55: 800-
A55 + 18-55 + 55-200: 1100-
A580: 900-
A580 + 18-55: 900-
A580 + 18-55 + 55-200: 1150-
D5100: 650-
D5100 + 18-55: 750-
D5100 + 18-55 + 55+200: 1000-
A77 league:
D7000: 1100-
D7000 + 17-105: 1300-
D7000 + 17-105 + 70-300: 1700-
D7000 + 16-85: 1600-
7D: 1500-
7D + 18-135: 1800-
7D + 15-85: 2150-
I do not know if it is the same in other markets…
I think Sony need to be very careful with the release of the A77 as they have a hell of a lot riding on it, a lot of A700 users are at the end of their tether waiting to upgrade, a lot of the market is just waiting to see what sony will offer with a high grade EVF system. It needs to be at least priced competitively with the market equivalents, preferably cheaper.
I felt that when the A900 was announced they had the market by the balls, a ‘pro’ grade camera for almost half the price of the competing FF models and before it was even released, Canon and Nikon had similar models (with HD movie and superior ISO) out there, killing off their main selling points. I’d hate to see the same happen again.
I recently looked at the market prices, taking into account price drops and so on, and as far as price goes, to recreate an average body and lens set up, all 3 are pretty much on a level. I think this needs to change for sony to get anywhere. EVF is an interesting option, and one with merits, but its not enough to give them any sort of competing edge, IMO, price has to be their key asset.
At the end of the day, as always, people will vote with their wallets.
😉
Release time: disappointed
No CF: disappointment and not taking serious customers serious (lots and lots of them have CF)
2nd Price raise: disappointment
Lying: big disappointment (the time delay was due to supply problems: turns out to be not true: the camera was unfinished : they changed the model and now no CF). This lying is the most serious thing (although I hate to loose my CF cards and have to replace them).
Weather sealing of lens: positive surprise.
Overall: dissapointing.
Was sure I would buy it, now seriously considering switch to Nikon (depending on D400 specs but guess it will have CF).
You’re disappointed because you built your expectations on rumors. Never a good idea.
Sony did not raise the price, Sony did not lie about anything since there was never an official annoucement.
Open your eyes people…
Exactly!
Who’s lying though? Sony never made claims about CF support. In fact, the working prototype last year already showed there wasn’t any.
i agree
Go and have fun, but don’t be jelous at a77 users! 🙂
constant 2.8 + weather sealed + SSM for $799 = dream come true?!
*prays the optics are good!
EDIT: oh wait! the price of body went up, pricing of the lens might go up too
Think about it………. Any design decision to include or exclude something as big in size in a camera body as a memory card must have been made at the very beginning of the design process, it’s a core component.
I’m sure the future is with the smaller card
You can’t just change your mind and put it into the body or add it to the firmware later; it requires a complete redesign of the body from the ground up.
Maybe, Sony’s engineers had expected a technology breakthrough that still hasn’t happened or maybe the product design group and the engineering group don’t communicate,kind of like the US auto industry in the 70’s.
I don’t know if this is as big of a mistake as some here think, I’ll wait till some of the hardware pro’s have a chance to speak.
I just know that if true, it adds to the cost for some to purchase new cards and a new camera body.
Funny people who previously said A77 cant be any good at that price are now saying it should not have gone up. What they meen is they are cannik snobs who insist paying a lot for a badge is more important than getting the best Camera.
hm well, you pay a lot of money for the sony badge, too… and more to say: sony is not the best camera so far!
Your opinion. For the money I paid, I couldn’t get anything close in IQ and features combined from any other brand.
12 pics a second…but what to do with that, if the focus misses?
high ISO… does not mean pristine pictures?
no CF – could live with that, always said at dyxum.com, that I can’t imagine it would have sd, cf and ms at the same time for that price range
price up – hell yes, slt’s are cheaper than others !?
I have to say:
if the pictures are pristine to lets say 25.000 ISO or more
if the focus is always spot on during 12 pics/sec
if and there are no design errors in the endproduct
I might buy an A77 at the same price level canikon has. If not, well I guess there will be a lot of people jumping the ship…
ok what canikon has those features at the same price level ?
Go head jump ship buy a Canikon FF at twice the price then whatch us laugh as we saved half the cost or wait for A99.
..and he’ll be laughing at you stuck with a handful of Sony pro lenses and twenty year old Minolta glass…it isn’t all about the body.
That is really a big deal. No pro-service so far and only a few pro lenses…
A C / N with a S mane? Don’t fool around here please.
to have features does not mean they are good at the same time. first of all the focus needs to be able to handle 12 pics per second. the next thing is… this fast modus means raw? or 24 megapixels? or low resolution, or maybe only @ 6 megapixels? or 12 pics per second and then wait two minutes till data is written? you are talking about a rumour, not a “real” camera. wait and see what will hit the market as an endproduct.
And you can’t laugh about my decísions, because I am looking for the product that gives me what I want – pristine pictures. And I don’t care what kind of badge is on it.
Yes, the same specs means a cheaper SLT than a DSLR. It’s not really the same (suggested) specs as anything in that pricerange now is it. 😉
get a life all of you..
This site frequently publishes fake stories as “trusted” rumors. Just wait as most of what has been published here is proven to be fake.
For example, everyone could see from all the prototypes that the A77 did not have space for a CF slot. But the admin kept on claiming that it did and included CF in the “trusted” spec sheet.
Now he says that his “trusted” reviewers are saying that the CF card slot was “dropped”. How do you drop something that was never present to begin with? Do you think a camera preproduction could be made with space and electronics for CF and then suddenly it is removed a month or two before release? I don’t think so. So clearly, the so called Trusted reviewers who said there was a CF slot were lying and the admin knows this.
Also I will keep track of all the fake rumors published here about A77 and compare to real specs when the camera is released.
So far, here are false rumors off the top of my head:
1. CF slot
2. Price at $EU 1,099 body only
3. 16-50mm f/2.8 SSM
4. Announced 7/7/2011
5. Release mid 2011
6. Price at $EU 1,099 with Kit lens (http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-sony-a77-and-nex-7-coming-on-july-7-for-1099-including-the-kit-lens/)
7. Claim that Dyxum published A77 photos are fake
Here are some that I believe will be proven false:
1. Weather sealed kit lens
2. ISO in “hundreds of thousands”
3. Noise performance same as or better than 16mps in A55/D7000
4. SSM in Lens kit
5. Thunderbolt/USB 3
What about the suggested 16-50 F2.8 SSM turned out fake sofar? And the release mid 2011/ early Q3 actually came from a Sony interview last year aswell, so it wasn’t all thin air. I’m not surprised if that ends up being end of Q3 with the earthquake in mind.
Sony themselves said in an interview that the noise performance would be atleast as good as the A55, so not something SAR is making up either. Besides that, I see no reason why it would be worse.
Uhm, SAR already said that they were thinking of changing the focal range to 17-50mm from 16-50mm because of the vignetting. However I don’t beleive any of this because you don’t change basic specs a month or so before you release a product. If a product is going to be released in a month or two, then it is already passed production and is in warehouses waiting to be shipped to stores.
You don’t know the difference between thinking about options and actually making a change? It only takes a simple limiter to start at 17mm. Besides that, there could be different prototypes covering both options.
USB 3 yes but thunderbolt?
Where did that come from?
$1299 will only impact the early adopters like me and leaves room for a price drop at Christmas.
But the D7000 has been out for a long time and is still 1200USD.
The D7000 has been dropping in price steadily in the UK recently. The body can be had for £850 and with 18-105mm kit it’s just over the £1000 mark.
Speaking about CF and SD cards… You really need the speed if you take a lot of high FPS photos. For normal shooting and for video is irrelevant ( for video a class 6 or 10 card is more than enough). Second, from what I knowthere is NO camera out there which can take continous high FPS and store them in flash.All camera store it in the RAM buffer and save them in flash when the buffer is full. I know you want that A77 to be the first camera which can do this but the flash cards are still slow, maybe future versions will use more sophisticated controllers as SSD do and also the flash speed will improve also bu I’m afraid you need to wait.
Thanks for the review information !! Did anyone mention image quality with the A77? These are mighty small pixels. Many cameras boast very high ISO capabilities and pixel counts. They mean nothing. A D3s has incredibly clean images at base ISO, whereas a Panasonic GH2 or a NEX-5 do not (not to the same extent at least). Did any of the reviewers mention something along these lines?
And (sorry if the answer has already been given), does the Nex-7 feature image stabilisation or it that left to the A77, as on current models?
Thanks!
A good photographer does not complain! at least for me I’m not a photographer I’m a boxer and I never complain who ever my opponents would be. bring it on! LOL…
Relax folks! This is a rumor site and not the final retail brochure!
w8 a moment. Is it 12fps at 24 mpx or in crop mode? Remember A35 rumors…
It’s really bad news if finally CF support has been dropped.
I don’t believe SD nor MS are cards prosumer are shooting with.
FullHD Video only 24 fps, no 50/60 fps – for me it is a big disappointment. If so, Panasonic GH2 seems better choice for photo+video home use.
I had a feeling that $1000 for the A77 body was too good to be true and now I can’t use my CF memory. That’s a $400 price increase when the price of the SDHC memory is added in. Two bad pieces of news in the same day. I may be using my A700 longer than I’d hoped.
I won’t be surprised if the final price is probably in the $1500-$1700 range when it’s finally in stores.
Class 10 SDHC are $25 for 16GB, $50 for 32GB. Why do you need $400 worth of SDHC memory? That’s 400GB.
Cheap class 10 SDHC? Don’t make me laugh. Even quite fast Sony CF 400x card on my Sony A700 is limitation in some situations. For A77 with data stream of 24 MPx at 12 fps you need really, really fast card. And for video recording are 16 or 32 GB cards rather small. Conclusion is obvious…
+1. My 600X CF cards are crying. 🙁
The idea of shooting with SDHC Class 10 makes me wonder why Sony would drop CF… What about the A99 FF replacement? Is it going SDHC as well!?
The price bump would not be a surprise, given the recent posted losses…
I suspect it will be ca $1200.
Well, I’m not the slightest bit surprised at the new price. $1,000 was too low for a camera that was designed to compete with the Canon 7D at $1,600, and Nikon D300s. It wouldn’t be taken seriously. At that price it’s competition would be the 60D and Nikon D7000. Now of course it has to live up to the price, and even at $1,300, it’s still $300 less tha the 7D and D300s. So I think the new price point makes alot more sence. And I’m sure most of you who were prepared to pay $1,000 will pay the extra $300, if, it’s as good as the “rumors” are saying.
The only news I care about – the Nex 7 rendering being called accurate !
Thanks Andrea !
Any chance to find out if the upcoming Nex 5 and 7 have a fully articulated display ?
Andrea, did your source say the nex-7 CAN record 24 1080p, or it ONLY records 24 1080p? thank you
It can record 24p. Don’t think it ONLY records that!
Thank you so much for your reply 🙂
What about stabilization? Is that restricted to the A77 or will the NEX-7 have it as well? Thank you.
I don’t mind it’s 1299 and actually I wouldn’t mind paying 1699 as long as we get
A77
-Great Image Quality
( Pictures from Fuji X100 looks like hi-res video. And from what I hear they use the latest SONY sensor. So I am very curious to see actual IQ of A77. And obviously this will be my major decision factor. )
-Fast & Accurate AF system
-Super Responsive Body
-EVF with no lag
(Prefer OVF but it seems like it’s not happening… may be A950 will have it….)
-HD 24P
can’t wait!!!
COMON MAN NO COMPACT FLASH??
Any news on the A65?
Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah. Why don’t you all go buy those perfect Canikons that are so affordable so I don’t have to read all this whining and maybe I won’t have to wait as long to get one. For the specs the price sound reasonable. Who cares about outdated CF cards. There’s also no compartment for 35mm film. Sorry, had to vent. All these comments are bringing my mood down.
You don’t have to read anything you don’t want to! Your the one reading the comments ! WAH WAH WAH WAH
CF cards outdated?
Well, I’m using 16GB 600x cards. Do you have an SD card so fast?
Please, inform yourself before give your (misinformed) opinion.
We’re talking about a prosumer camera. Prosumer and professional cameras need CF cards.
I am failing to understand how dropping CF card is a killer for the A77 but no one even think of the fact that the NEX 7 was never planed to be released with a CF card slot… even though it uses the same huge sensor and will have a very fast FPS rate.
CF is just a storage facility, that’s all, get over it.
It is just a bit of a bummer that we will need to buy new cards but at least we will be able to read them straight on our laptops and not have to carry cable around.
Now thinking about it this is the best news we could hope, us laptop users, put the card in, done. no cable form camera/card reader to computer, simple.
I’ll like this.
I like too 🙂
sorry Cesc you need a bit of your own medicine and inform yourself
sdxc 2TB and up to 312 MB /sec
cf 600X = 90MB /sec
yep CF outdated
Here are some more things that annoy me with the NEX-5 and I’m hoping will get fixed with the NEX-7:
1. Clean HDMI out. Currently, the NEX-5 cannot output the full 1920x1080p video through its mini-HDMI port, so we cannot use an external recorder for higher video quality.
2. When I try browsing through photos and videos (directly on the camera with the Play button), it can only display photos, or can only display videos – but not both. I must manually switch the viewing mode in the menu. So this isn’t very intuitive and should be fixed.
3. Start-up time needs to be a bit faster. Currently, on the NEX-5 it takes about 1 second. Should be down to about 0.3-0.5 of a second in the NEX-7.
That one second always makes miss an opportunity of an important moment.
4. The bundled shoulder-strap is too short, and not very comfortable.
5. When I try to manually focus on a subject, the magnified view that pops up to assist me is OK for none-moving objects, but many people complain that this magnified view mechanism is too slow for getting a sharp focus on moving objects. The Leica M9, for example, has a much better way of getting a quick manual focus, even on moving subjects. And yes, I know I can use the new peaking feature, but it’s not a great solution.
6. When using the flash, the shutter’s speed is limited to only 1/160th of a second. Maybe the NEX-7 could offer a faster flash sync?
7. The control wheel can be heard during video footage when adjusting the EV setting. Should be more silent. And I’ve already mentioned in a previous comment that the video feature needs manual control for Aperture and Shutter.
8. The shutter is very audible when taking a photo. I like that it’s substantial and feels that I’m using a pro camera and not a small Point&Shoot, but the sound that it makes could be with less presence.
9. The grip is small (height-wise). My pinky is always situated below the grip instead of on the grip. I know that the whole idea of the NEX-5 is its small size with big features, but for me it would be more comfortable to have a grip area with more height, so that all 3 fingers rest on the grip in a natural way (the index finger usually hovers on the top side around the shutter button, and the thumb is of course on the back-side of the camera).
10. The flash extension should be a standard accessory, and not just in certain bundles.
11. Would have been nice to have the external mic bundled as well.
Most people just buy a body+lens bundle and add an SD card. They don’t wanna spend more money on extra lenses and accessories. They can barely afford the bundle itself.
All of your points are pretty valid, except for 5. I don’t know how Sony would be able to improve your MF skill. Skilled MF users learn to predict the movement, and pre-focus. Comparing to the RF focus, I think peaking is still better in general,though might not be as precise in some situations. RF mechanical focus system is OVF and is prone to focus shift. While NEX-7 will be EVF and guarantees against focus shift. I assume the new EVF would provide a clearer and better view, but nailing people in motion is your job.
1. Clean HDMI out. Currently, the NEX-5 cannot output the full 1920x1080p video through its mini-HDMI port, so we cannot use an external recorder for higher video quality.
This is primarily a photographic stills tool. Sony would be cutting sales from the Sony NEX video cameras if they did this.
4. The bundled shoulder-strap is too short, and not very comfortable.
Sony makes money by selling optional higher quality straps so they purposely include crappy straps.
7. The control wheel can be heard during video footage when adjusting the EV setting. Should be more silent. And I’ve already mentioned in a previous comment that the video feature needs manual control for Aperture and Shutter.
This is primarily a photographic stills tool. Sony would be cutting sales from the Sony NEX video cameras if they did this.
9. The grip is small (height-wise). My pinky is always situated below the grip instead of on the grip. I know that the whole idea of the NEX-5 is its small size with big features, but for me it would be more comfortable to have a grip area with more height, so that all 3 fingers rest on the grip in a natural way (the index finger usually hovers on the top side around the shutter button, and the thumb is of course on the back-side of the camera).
The point of the NEX is to be as small as possible. That’s what differentiates it from the alpha line. Don’t like it? Then the NEX isn’t for you. That’s like buying a motorcycle and complaining you can’t drive around with your kids in it.
Nice job, but where is the next gen NEX-5 news?
I’m thinking it’s about time somebody leaked a video of the A77 in action!! Come on, you mystery testers blatantly read this forum! Sony won’t care it’ll be good publicity!
Oh and as for the CF support..ffs. Get with the times!! The whole point of the new Pro level SLT is to make a stupidly fast “chuckable” rugged camera for prosumers and professionals. Why save all the weight and size with the SLT design to put a massive outdated card format in there! As long as SD can keep up with 24MP at 12FPS (and on paper it can) then it’s fast enough!
If Sony is going to charge $1299.00 for body only.
I can get a nikon d7000 W/18-105mm lens on sale for that.
I can’t use my sony or minolta lens with it, but might
think about changing what I buy if any further price
increases. Maybe wait to look at the new d4 nikon
And just sell my sony lens.
I just rented an a55 for 2 weeks on a trip and had numerous white balance errors in single shots but most evident in 3fps continuous mode. Seems others have this problem too. That the a55 has been out so long and there’s nu update or fix makes me less enthused with an a77.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1037&message=38982734
The bottom tilt swivel is stupid wonky. I’ve been using cameras with side tilt swivel screens, including prosumer & professional video and bottom tilt swivel is just stupid (on a tripod- can’t see it from the front, shooting portrait- swing it out and your arm blocks the screen)
Then look at the Grip accessory- nearly renders the tilt-swivel completely ineffective. Mount it to the side (like nearly every camcorder made for over a decade) and it’d work fine. It’s just another case of Sony doing it different just to be different.
The sweep panorama failed to produce acceptable results for me about 75% of the time- visible seams, choppy lines, and even impressionistic art.
I was really hoping to be blown away by all the unique capabilities of the Alpha line and make good use of my existing Minolta glass, but if the a77 just continues the trend of the existing Sony cameras (and the limited 24p 1080 mode is also a stinker in my book) then I’ll most certainly be looking elsewhere.
It’s a shame because I was sooooo looking forward to this camera.
Grrrrrrr.
You’ve had a chance to talk to people who have handled the A77, and all they’ve said is that it’s “soooooooooooooo fast” and that the screen is really good? WTF? Can we have some accurate specs please? How many AF points? How many FPS can I shoot at? Whats the highest clean ISO it can shoot at?
Till then, I don’t believe that you’re actually talking to real testers.
Yep, for those whining about the camera not supporting CF, have you fools actually taken a look at the SD UHS specs? Is 720Mb/s not fast enough for you?
lol… so funny reading you guys comments. cannot wait for the 1st full review!
Exactly. Complaining about stuffs which don’t even exist on the shelves yet.
I wonder how those nikon users waiting for the d400 are feeling now when there’s not even a single leak on nikon rumours.
It has a Thumbwheel! A small step for Sony, but a big one for the user – Great!
I don’t get the guys defending SD cards. If you say that CF is outdated, you’re simply an idiot. CF cards has double the speed compared to SD. They are more durable and won’t brake as easily (they are also less easy to loose because of the bigger size). SD cards are for compact cameras and entry level DSLRs. No serious photographer will ever want to use SD over CF cards!
No CF + price increase + no flip up mirror = I’m out.
I won’t be giving Sony my money, that’s for sure. I’ll sit tight and wait for the FF cameras next year. If they turn out to be as big of a disappointment, I’m jumping ship..
“No serious photographer will ever want to use SD over CF cards!”
Is this a joke? A real photographer wouldn’t care about what memory storage a camera uses. It’s clear you’re just a gearfag/pixelpeeper/camera-collector.
@A700 Listen buddy, there’s no need to start calling people idiots, just because a particular storage medium suits them better. My paying clients couldn’t give a monkeys f*** what I’m using to store my images as long it meets my requirements which it does! I don’t lose cards because I look after them and their size actually makes them durable. What I do agree is that were in a transition phase so Sony shouldn’t have dropped CF from what is a transitional camera. I’m sure CF will be dropped for the new FF cameras as the new CFast standard which has none of the CF limitations may be ready. Personally I would just like twin slots for backup, I would prefer these as SD because I shoot light and don’t want to carry 8 CF cards round with me!
Wouldn’t the A77 be cheaper to build because it would be using an EVF? If the price is going up (and present Nikon / Canon might just get a bit cheaper) I am tempted to choose a camera that still has a OVF….
Rumours……. We shall see
Got to say, I’m wondering if this latest on “no CF cards” can be correct.
Really makes no senses. Especially considering that Sony was part of a consortium that less than a year a go, helped to create a new faster standard for CF card design. Why would their next major, semi-pro camera release not included this new card standard???
Food for thought folks. 🙂
Andrea – Thanks for the latest info. Looked up 32GB Sony SD cards and they are 100 US dollars each. A great deal faster than any CF card and require less space. I am a wildlife photographer and the change in cards do not matter. Speed does for the action shots. 3 cards, 2 additional batteries and I am set to go. If the specs are correct(the main ones) and it out preforms the a700(know it will) my only question is When can we pre-order. Just wish sigma would get their act together and make the 300-800mm f5,6 in the A Mount!! Another thought would like a 2nd sd card slot for video that would be awesome!
Bob, you say the Sony SD cars “are a great deal faster than any CF card”. Are you sure? The last CF card I bought was rated at 90MB and the fastest SDHC card I can find now is 45MB.
1299$ body only — more realistic price for this camera
Houckster
CF has reached its limit.
SD has just pased it and in the futue will go alll the way up to 350MBs
size limit is 2TB but cost is curent size restricter but as with all cards cost will come down and size up untill the limit is reached. for example of typical curent SD cards se below.
http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/panasonic-32gb-sdhc-uhs-1-class-10-card.html