Image courtesy: ePhotozine.
We all saw that huge Samsung 300mm f/2.8 lens at Photokina. I twill be released in 2015 but there will be also those other three new lenses coming the same year:
– Samsung 16-80mm f/4 OIS
– Samsung S 24mm f/1.4 ED
– Samsung S 11-24mm f/2.8 ED OIS
All greta lenses for real!
35 Responses
Ois on lenses is nice, but adds bulk and is expensive. I much prefer the oly and now sony approach, with an advanced ibis.
Besides, the nx1 is so bulky that they could easily implement it inside the case!
And all those nice non ois primes would take a great advantage from ibis (20,30,45 and 85 at least!).
Agreed, I prefer IBIS also. Given their previous partnership with Pentax who had IBIS in all their cameras I was quite surprised when I saw that Samsung was going with OIS. The other way is to do like Canon: get IS in almost all lenses including primes (24, 28 & 35).
Yes, but if you put ois in each lens, you add some bulk/weight and you pay for it each time. The nx1, being a showcase of what samsung can do, should have featured ibis, imo. Especially now that competitors are starting to use it extensively.
I mean, at about the price of nx1 sony will have the a7-ii with ff and ibis. The nx1 will have an edge in burst shooting and perhaps af tracking (to be confirmed…) but for the rest, a7-ii seems a no brainer!
You are aware that, IBIS or not, A7 lenses are not exactly lightweight, small nor cheap? At that price point and type of camera I’ll go with a 6D anytime.
NX1 is in a totally different competition (A77, D7100 & 7D).
6d is very good, but is aging. A7-ii on the other end, is cutting edge. And a9 could be even better, if with fastest af and high mp sensor. I know the price will be stiff, but I think it’s right to spend money if they have good products. Anyway an a7-ii with the 24-70 and the 70-200 is going to cost (way) less than the nx1 with the 16-50 and the 50-150, which is, imo, very odd!
Whatever happened to you motto “mirror less must be small otherwise it’s better to just get a DSLR”? Did you change your mind on that or do you only apply that to Samsung?
I am glad that you noticed that if one compares 16-50f2-2.8 to 24-70f4 or 50-150f2.8 to 70-200f4 one will see that they are essentially the same price and size… meanwhile you have lost all FF advantages to APS-C since you are shooting with same DOF and twice the ISO on the FF… If you want to regain this advantage, you have to go to f2.8 zoom on FF and then… there goes the price and weight. It seems there is no free lunch after all…
You changed your post, since you noticed that I was referring to f4 and not f2.8, good.
Anyway, those are not same price. I can find the 70-200 at almost 400€ less than the samsung 50-150 and the sony 24-70 at about 150€ less than the samsung.
Besides, there is not only one stop of difference among aps-c and ff, but about 1.5. So the only fl where samsung could have a small edge is 24mm equivalent, while loosing at any other fl over the range.
Not counting the fact that with any other lens, especially legacy ones, ff would be much better for iq.
So, summing up, a7-ii is much cheaper.
As to size, is a great achievement for a ff body with ibis to be smaller and lighter than an aps-c one w/o ibis!
Indeed, I keep getting lost with Sony’s different mounts…
As for price, you are comparing a lens that is not even out yet with one that has been out for a while… want to bet that the Samsung will be cheaper after a few months?
I don’t dispute the technical achievment that the A7 series represent, I’m just asking why something that you claimed was a show stopper for you a thousand times now appears to be perfectly fine…
As for quality… are you able to spot theoretical max 1/2 stop differences in real-life pictures?
Don’t get me wrong, IQ with FF is amazing but when using “equivalent” lenses on both formats, the real world difference is not that high.
BTW, I just bought a 6D to replace my 5D and I fail to see what the A7ii would do that the “aging” 6D would not… but it’s beside the point I guess.
I tend to go for what I need, not necessarily what is the latest.
I agree that 6d is very, very good. I was stunned by its iq compared with my nx300, when I spent a morning shooting with it (thx to a friend). I could tell which picture is from what camera in a second and in any condition. It’s not just a matter of nois or dof, it’s overall picture quality and fidelity of reproduction.
But a7-ii has ibis and is compatible with legacy lenses. Btw, I’m waiting to see what sony will cook with a9. Perhaps a rangefinder body as rumored? A near 50mp sensor? The fastest af in the world?
That could be great and will finally help me deciding which system to switch to.
Let’s keep our fingers crossed then…
I do! I never had a sony camera (and in general few of their products) but I see them as more “customer oriented” compared with samsung, which is just a big “money collector”. The fact that sony gets its bodies out at competitive prices (differently from samsung) is a proof of this!
But then you still didn’t answer my question: whatever happened to “small & light is beautiful”? Or are you expecting the A9 to be some sort of A6000 sibbling and forget about lens size?
I actually replied about a7:
As to size, is a great achievement for a ff body with ibis to be smaller and lighter than an aps-c one w/o ibis!
Anyway yes, I hope the a9 will be a bit like rx1 with evf. Lenses can be changed, and for example I have big ones for nx (16-50, 50-200, 60 and 85) but I can use pancakes when I want to go pocketable. With the nx1 the pancakes are just silly looking, with that giant body attached.
Maybe that’s the reason why every manufacturer has different body sizes?
Personnaly, I would definitely be more comfortable using something like the NX1 for larger lenses like the S zooms or 85f1.4 while keeping the pancakes on a smaller body like the NX30 or 1000.
Likewise, I am not comfortable holding something like the 70-200f4 on a A7 body (I did try this combo).
If an A9 with 35f2.8 fits your definition of pocketable then more power to you, unfortunately, I have smaller pockets 😉
This is where we agree in theory but disagree in practuce. You say, correctly, different bodies fir different lenses. Ok! I agree. So, where is the nx pocketable body with evf to be used with all the nice oancake and small lenses?
My definition of pocketable is not that it has to fit my jeans pockets. A camera for me has to sit confortably at my neck, with a total weight which does nit make it hurt. And has nit to bounce on me when I walk. And has to stay into a small bag with a couple of primees and a zoom.
I can do this with nx300, but it’s flawed by not having an evf (and not having a buffer, but that’s anither story). If sony can deliver a camera which is ff and is as big or slightly bigger than rx1, I’m in.
“Where is the nx pocketable body with evf to be used with all the nice pancake and small lenses?”
The NX30 fits your bill perfectly… EVF is there, buffer is there, it can be carried in a small bag with a couple of primes and a zoom (or in an even smaller bag with only one pancake lens, I carry mine in a tiny belt-case)….
No sir, the nx30 has a huge grip and an hump preventing MY bag to house it 🙂 🙂 🙂
The a7 is smaller and is ff!!!
In your dreams… The A7ii is slightly bigger and 30% heavier than the NX30 and it’s smallest lens almost twice as big as the pancakes…
As for the “huge” grip, it doesn’t protrude any farther than the smallest lens you can mount on the camera so… If you can fit a NX300 with a pancake mounted on it, you can also fit the NX30 with same lens. ?
I have both the NX30 and NX1000 and they both fit in my smallest belt bag. I sincerely doubt that you could fit an A7 and its smallest lens in it…
I wrote a7…not a7-ii.
Sorry to jump in, but since I actually have a Sony A7s and several of sony’s FE mount lenses I felt I could at least let you know that the 35mm f2.8, 55mm f1.8 and 24-70 f4 are all relatively small and lite…. In fact the 24-70 is about half the size and weight of my Nikon 24-70 F4 ….never mind the 2.8…. And when I throw on my Hawks or Metabones adapter I can use my M-mount lenses in FF … Have you seen the Voightlander 25mm f4.5? The argument about lens size is moot.
Thanks! I actually handled a 35/2.8 on an a7, and in fact it was a very small combo. I never had the opportunity to use the other two combos you mention, though. I’d love the 55/1.8.
Sony has A and E mount. Which other mounts are you speaking of? I guess if people keep repeating false information than people like you will keep repeating it. By the way, Nikon and Canon both have two mounts also.
Opps.. sounds like I offended someone… sorry for that. What I meant is precisely what you wrote: I keep forgetting which lens goes on which camera between the FF A and E mounts… but I’m getting better at it thanks to discussions like these. BTW what is the name of the other FF mount for Canon? It may well change one day if Canon makes mirror less FF cams but so far I only know the EF one.
No offense taken. I just find it silly when so-called photographers who should know better can’t figure out something that basic and then keep spreading false info. Let me give a quick lesson to help ease your confusion.
Sony has A and E mount. Both mounts have ff and aps-c coverage. Within each mount, ff and aps-c can be mounted interchangeably. The only difference is crop factor that will be involved.
And sorry for the mistake about the Canon. They also have two mounts but it appears that the second mount, EOSM has been abandoned or just neglected. The first mount is the EF mount, which cover both ff and aps-c but if you accidentally put a aps-c lens on the ff camera you can do damage. And you thought Sony’s mounts are confusing.
What “false info” have I spread? I have just expressed my own confusion which, quite evidently, is real since I thought Tecnoworld was referencing the f2.8 24-70 and 70-200 whereas I later realized that they were not compatible with the A7 mount.
You have every right to be confused about Canon’s mount as I have to be confused about Sony’s ones. That’s the difference between “so-called photographers” and “so-called gear-heads” the later know it all about all the different mounts and never make that kind of mistakes.
I really hope the NX400 doesn’t have an EVF just for the LOLs
So it will be a “success” like the nx200/300 were (half the price after 6 months and 1/3 the price after 9 months). I hope samsung has learnt the lesson from nx200/300. Unless they sell the nx400 w/o evf for less than 500$. The market is king.
Just to warn you and to save you a RSI (like I warned you with the NX1), when the NX400 is released it will be around $799 with PZ lens, Deals like a free lens or Tablet will soon follow and and cashback coming in the following months
$799 is the average price for a camera of that level (G6, GX7, X-E1/2, NEX6, V1/2/3) and as much as it would be nice Companies only lower prices when they need get aggressive and take a loss. Samsung sadly really don’t
Over priced Sony’s before a6000 and A7 (what you see as over priced)
NEX7
NEX6
NEX5
NEX5R
NEX5RL
NEX3NL
Over priced Samsungs in the same time period
Galaxy NX
NX210
NX20 (at times but had a lot of deals)
…..
Nx300 still sells for 1/2 price in US. I imagine they still profit from it. It has been out 2 years now?
If so, they have been real thieves at launch 🙂
Few cameras have had price slashed as samsung’s. This shows two things:
1) they are vastly overpriced at launch
2) ppl don’t buy them
If they still profit after those cuts, then #1 is still more true and they should heavily rethink their mkt approach.
Sony NEX 6 sold for a long time at just over half of launch price. I am sure A7 will be the same. Wouldn’t be surprised to see it hang around for a while at reduced prices. This is how electronic companies operate. My point was nx300 didn’t drop as fast as you claim in the US
Oh, ok, I see. Here in Italy it had a very different story. Out in april 2013 at about 800€, could be already had for 650€ during summer and for 500€ at the end of september. It then fell to less than 400€ before xmas and now it’s long time that it can be had for around 300€. And we are talking of a camera which is 1.5 years old…50% price drop in 6 months and 60% price drop in, say, about 10 months.
The 16-80 is the travel companion that was really missing in the lineup. Glad to see it coming. If quality is in line with the best NX lens, that’s an instant buy for me to put on my NX30.
24mm f1.4 is in the right direction, the most usefull from those 4 lenses.
Honestly, I would gave preferred it to be f2 and with OIS at the same size/cost but I know I will have a hard time not buying it… maybe the price tag will help me moderate my urges… 😉