Image on top shows ISOCELL sensors used by some Samsung mobile phones/tablets.
Famous Samsung source Redcrow spilled out some more tidbits about the next 1499 Euro expensive high end Samsung NX1 camera and most importantly confirmed the specs we posted few days ago. This is what he writes:
Design: it is THE NX flagship! look just like any other DSLR Flagship. buttons and wheels.
Sensor: definitely not a normal CMOS sensor. either BSI or ISOCELL.
Engine: Brand new Drime engine, multi-core powered.
Continuous shots: Yes, 15 fps with tracking. (Not confirmed full image or not)
2nd gen. PD AF: More than 200 PD sensors from corner to corner on the image sensor. 154 cross sensors among them.
Card: Support UHS-2 memory card.
Lenses: 50-150mm F2.8, another ‘S’ Lens is coming.
And these are the full specs we got:
– 28 MP APS-C CMOS Sensor (ISOCELL tech)
– DRIMe Image Signal Processor
– ISO 100-51200
– 15 fps with tracking.
– UHD 4K 3840×2160 at 30p/24p
– Full HD up to 60p
– 3? Tiltable AMOLED Touch Display
– Water and dust proof
– Wi-Fi and NFC Connectivity
– Magnesium Alloy, Weather-Sealed Body
– Vertical grip available.
– Will announce revolutionary PD system.
– Slightly bigger body than NX30.
– Body design matches with 16-50 F2.0-F2.8 lens.
– Best high ISO performance and EVF among crop sensor bodies.
– Available on the market in October (TBD)
– Not retro design but similar with Mamiya?
Sounds all great a part of the Price…seriously…1499 Euro? for the body only?
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This is starting to get interesting…
Now it feels a bit more of content rather than just bold words – like Samsung usually does.
Although there is too much to happen to make me commit to NX system just like that.
I don’t understand your post. Under point 2) you wrote that NX1 won’t have 4K recording. But at the specs list 4K recording is listed.
The resolution listed is QuadHD, 4K is a little bit wider…
Thanks 😉
Given the price of body and imagining that of the new s lens, I think that a 6d with 70-200 f2.8 L would be a better option (or even the much cheaper f4, given the full frame advantage).
I think you are missing the point. This is a pro body like a 7d. Why is there a market for 7ds when a entry level has a newer sensor. Why do people buy 5diii over a 6d?
You also don’t know how this sensor will compare with current ff sensors.
True, but then I’ll rephrase:
– who wants the best IQ, at a price similar or lower will be able to get the 6d with the outstanding white 70-200.
– who wants a pro combo will get a body allowing for a lot of lenses, many more than Samsung has in the lineup (or easier to find/buy/rent)
And don’t forget that, for good that nx lenses are, only the 16-50s and the 85 can be considered pro, for both manufacturing and performance. The others are consumer level (yet optically good/excellent).
So, my conclusion is that nx1 will appeal only users invested in nx lenses who don’t mind having a body almost as big as the DSLR that they ditched before. And that don’t mind spending more than for a full frame body.
As a video camera, the NX1 has the potential to offer much more than the 6D. The rolling shutter issues are across the board for full frame cameras. The M43 sensor, such as the sensor in the GH4, doesn’t have the same difficulty with rolling shutter because the image builds faster. Theoretically, the APSC sensor should do better with rolling shutter—maybe Samsung has delivered. Also, all 4k at this level shoots at a significant crop. If the Samsung’s APSC’s usable space in 4k mode is greater than that of the M43 sensors (as one would expect it to be), I believe we’re looking at the largest usable area of a prosumer DSLR in 4k video. Also, the 6D doesn’t have the focus tracking or touch screen focus. So, in all, if the the Samsung has the focus tracking and touch screen functions, if the rolling shutter has been diminished in 4k, if the crop factor in 4k isn’t absurd, this would be a competitive camera. Lotta ifs but there it is.
You’re right about the lenses of course. I’m a little puzzled by the paucity. Maybe they’ll also announce a lens deal, or at least a few new ones?
I was mainly referring to IQ and price. I didn’t take video into consideration since I’m personally not interested in it (at most, it could be nice for single still extraction) and since, at the end, these are still cameras and not video cameras.
I agree that in tracking ability the new camera could have an edge, but then Nikon v1 is still better (if you don’t consider IQ).
Summing up, giving the fact that this camera will be big and very expensive, I still think 6d or d610 to be much better options. You buy into an ecosystem full of gadgets, accessories, great and often affordable lenses, flashes and you don’t loose too much when you want to sell your stuff.
Nx cameras are simply unsellable (I tried to sell the nx200 when I bought nx300 in may 2013. I could not find anyone willing to pay even 200€ for it!).
Understood, but nobody would ever buy a GH4 if video wasn’t a consideration. To me, it looks like they’re going after the GH4 market. Back to your point of course, the GH4 has terrific lenses. Hmm, but those lenses are cropped to 2.2, rather than the 1.6 we’d expect in an APSC video crop. Anyhoo, it is a rather interesting development. Sony may answer in an e mount. Pentax has to answer in a K3 update. It could bump everyone up a notch, and maybe benefit you after all, haha.
so what type of lenses you might be able to use with it ? and can we compare it to the GH4 in video mode ?
Sounds really good, and based on these specs will turn some heads. However with lack of a full frame sensor and full frame lenses in their entire line, it is doubtful Samsung will get many people to buy into aps-c at these prices. If this was a canon, nikon or even Sony it would be a decent investment given the glass. Samsung appears to have an incredible 300mm 2.8 that would be a 462mm on an nx body but I’m guessing that won’t be cheap and won’t be full frame (if Samsung ever produces one). Unless these ISOCELL aps-c sensors are as good as or better than existing full frame chips it is not likely that many serious photographers will invest in a new system. Impressive camera as presented, but let’s see how a shrinking marketplace will greet a new player.
Yes I think you are right. I think a new entry level camera with the same sensor will gain some popularity.
I think people are missing the bigger picture here and that is the sensor and the glass. everybody is talking about the body design and price but in this game it is all about performance + Optics. And i dont mean for this camera i mean in the Camera market.
Currently the main players in the Sensor business seem to be Sony and we all know where they are going next and that is the curved sensor. Samsung however have gone a completely different route with ISOCELL and if it takes off and works well in lifting performance at APSC level then they could become the big players in the Sensor making market. That is how Samsung has taken over other areas and it looks like its what they are trying to do here.
You open any brand phone (even the beloved iPhone) and you will see it filled with Samsung Tech, you Open any brand TV and you will find it filled with Samsung parts, i tear down a building and you will find Samsung Paint, Metal work along with other parts.
Mobile- One of the biggest screen and Chip Producers
TV- one of the biggest Panel and Processor producers
Camera- Nothing yet but you can guess where they are going to go
Even if this Camera doesn’t set the world alight with sales or capture the imagination with design, all enthusiasts, Semi Pros and pros should keep an eye on it simply for the possible introduction and impact of that new tech sensor
This is a very good observation. Nx1 could be a showcase of Samsung technology, to be implemented in non Samsung products.
Exactly, honestly I think that was the purpose of the NEX system originally, to showcase Sony parts. Sony doesn’t care if you buy a Sony camera because they have Sony sensors in most cameras. Sure they might do better if you buy one of their cameras, but they still don’t lose out. If Samsung comes out with a world class sensor, viewfinder, anything, they can sell it to other people. Canon doesn’t outsource their sensors, and their tech is getting woefully old. I think they have been using 500 nm technology and testing out 180 nm, but competition like Samsung already uses 90 nm. Meaning you can put more electronics on the chip without taking up as much pixel space. Eventually, Canon might have to start buying sensors from someone else if they can’t get theirs competitive.
I can’t help but think Samsung should have tried to hitch their wagon to another system like Fuji X or Sony. Perhaps they did try and it was too difficult. APSC could certainly do with a shared lens system like M43.
Hey, they still haven’t confirm wich lens mount this is! :p
“NX” 1 would imply NX mount 😉 NX won’t fit a full frame sensor, so I would rule out full frame, unless it is a fixed lens camera, but then it wouldn’t be called NX.
You realize that Samsung is the Pioneer of APS-C mirrorless systems, right? It just so happened they made a mistake and maybe made it too difficult to adapt Leica M lenses (small percentage of users, but they have a lot of money).
Samsung’s lenses on a6000 body would be the best combo for me.
I think must would agree i know i do, its exactly what i’m looking for also. I know you are invested in nx lenses i would say its only a matter of time and give them a few more months grace. Why its taking them so long i don’t know and this release is a odd one, but a a6000 style body is on its way i’m sure of it. Look at the positives of this release i would say. The features will trickle down to a cheaper models and it looks like they’ve had a kick up the backside.
Let’s hope so 🙂 one thing for sure. For the first time in three years, I’m now thinking of going back to DSLR (this time full frame) to complement nx300, since I lost confidence in Samsung’s vision about high end body.
A 6d with a 70-200/4, a 100/2 and a tamron 24-75/2.8 would be a tremendous combo for low light shooting, at a price probably lower than nx1 with 50-150/2.8.
They did cooperate with Pentax around the K-mount, a few years back. They mostly did replicas of sucessful Pentax DSLR’s though.