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(SR3) The awesome Sony NEX roadmap!

I got two mails from a new source (Thanks!) that seems to know a lot about the upcoming new NEX products. According to him Sony will:

1) release a NEX-4 (16 Mio, 1080p Video) in May 2011 (its the successor of [shoplink 3003]NEX-3[/shoplink]). It will be available as a kit (no body only).
2) The successor of the [shoplink 3003]NEX-5[/shoplink] is coming later, together with…
3) the NEX-7 (24 Mio) in October. The NEX-7 will have the the same sensor like A77 a lot of “mechanical” controls and superb build quality. The cost of nex7 together with 18-55 lens is ~1200€-1250€.
4) New lenses this year: 1,7/24 ZEISS, 3,5/30 Macro, 1,8/50 and 4-5,6/55-200.

The source will read your comments on this post so ask him whatever you want!!!

If you can confirm or deny or correct those rumors feel free to contact me at sonyalpharumors@gmail.com or use the contact form on the right sidebar (it doesn’t store the IP address and you can avoid to send me your name and email but please use some kind of nickname so that I will be able to recognize you in future). Thanks!

Reminder (SR = Sonyrumor):
SR1=probably fake rumor
SR2=rumor from unknown sources
SR3=50% chance it is correct
SR4=rumor from known sources (60-80% the rumor is correct)
SR5=almost certainly correct!

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  1. I don’t really care for the NEX system! I want to know the A900 successor, AF system, MPxs, ISO, etc… AND zeiss glass 50F1.2 ssm? 85F1.4ssm? etc… etc..

    1. I doubt they would re-release a lens like the 85 just for the sake of SSM, especially since it’s a perfectly good lens. One of the best in class.

  2. I won’t comment new cameras cause I’m happy with my nex-5 buu I’ll comment the lenses. Macro, portrait and zoom lens are no surprise although would like to know which will have OS.
    I’m surprised about that zeiss lens – very fast(faster than recently released 24/2) but not that super wide.

    Did your source confirm any kind of release date for those lenses? I hope they will all be released in the first half of this year or early Q3, sooner the better.

    Wonder if we can expect 3rd party lenses from sigma or tamron for nex this year…

    1. Perhaps this is not important any more. Sony is lagging behind in the SLR department, and its current advantages are in the new technologies. With the advent of high quality EVF, mirrors become obsolete, and the reduced distance between lens and sensor requires new mounts, while allowing for more compact bodies and lenses. For an SLR, there are much better choices than Sony, IMHO (unless you are heavily invested in their lenses).

    1. It seems that the high end NEX are not meant to be P&S, but will become alternatives to Leica’s M9, or just very compact semi-pro tools.

  3. The successor of the nex3 will come soon. AND WHERE IS THE SUCCESSOR OF THE A700????? We wait so long for it!!!

  4. The number 4 (for NEX-4) seems strange, as it’s more advanced than the NEX-5.

    NEX-3 < NEX-5 < NEX-7 < NEX-9 would be easier to understand I think.
    Both 1,8/50 and 4-5,6/55-200 seem interesting, if they're compact enough, and not too pricey (1,8/50 < 150€ and 4-5,6/55-200 < 300€)

  5. I find it quite surprising to see a CZ 24mm 1.7 for NEXes, namingly a faster lens than the one released for a-mount. Would it be a pancake lens? A DT one? This is important to know.

  6. What about a scealed translucent mirror and an electronic shutter in the NEX7 to keep the sensor protected against any durst or grease ? The eighteen millimeters provided by the NEX design between back lens and sensor give enough space to do it.

  7. and what about the most important !

    The A700 replacement ?

    It is so scary that this Sony guy speak about a release not before september !!

  8. It’s not really surprising that a short flange distance APS lens would be faster than a full frame SLR lens. Though, if it was a pancake designed to cover the full frame sensor of a hypothetical NEX-9, then it would be.

  9. @Carl: So you think it could be made in the size of a pancake lens, with such specs, covering the sensor of a hypothetical NEX-9?

  10. In the new NEX-7, I would like the sensor to provide 12 (or even 6) megapixels in low light conditions or for a fast moving subject.

  11. This sounds interesting, and I may reconsider NEX. It looks like NEX7 will be really interesting and will have most likely almost the same features as A700. I expect to have a DSLR like body but smaller , smaller than curent A33/55 but looking close to them. I expect a good electronic viewfinder (probably same as A77). The difference is in autofocus, which can not be the same as DSLT, so probably an improved contrast autofocus. If they can do it very fast, including in video, it may be a good camera. As I don’t have yet any Alfa lenses, (my previous camera was F828), and the e-mount looks like is getting traction I may buy one.

    I did not like current NEX series because of ergonomics, as the camera + lens still require a bag to carry it can not packet it, so in that case I can take a bigger bag for better ergonomics.
    I suspect NEX4 will still keep the same general design as NEX3, but NEX7 will change this.

    Also, the camera MUST include a build in flash , I would not buy any camera which require an external one, for traveling.

    1. I love the F828… still an awesome camera, and one of the only cameras to shoot with a 4 color CCD. I have pictures from that camera that still blow away anything I’ve seen from current models (at least color wise).

      1. With higher ISOs, I almost never use a flash, but make do with available light. I do not need a flash on my travel camera. A big and bright viewfinder would be nice for interactive photography, because it effectively turns the camera into an artificial eye.

        Since the NEX has no in-body stabilization but an accelerometer, it would be great to have an option to use that for photography: My iPhone camera app detects whether the phone is currently still or being shaken and will wait for a few milliseconds before taking a picture, if necessary. Why not implement this in camera bodies, too?

  12. I believe it when I see it. This last round at CES proved the rumors around Sony may be unreliable — more so than other camera vendor/rumor sites.

  13. What about the EVF? Will there be anyone as accessory or (in my opinion better) build in? And when will it be on the market?

    Is the Zeiss 1.7/24 a full frame lens, because there was a press release saying zeiss will only build full frame lenses for sony?

  14. One more thing, if all this is true, it looks like the NEX series is much more than I thought. It’s not a “high end PS” but a complete revamp of the Sony high end cameras. In that case expect the Alfa line to completely fade out in the next few years and replaced by the NEX line. If you can get a fast focus without the mirror (without phase detection) the last reason to have a mirror even a translucent one is gone. Sometime you must decide to loose the compatibility with the old to be able to inovate. If Samsung can do well with a totally new mount why would not Sony do it also ? I think the last proof will be to see e-mount lenses from Sigma and Tamron.

    1. It all depends on one point : is it possible to produce NEX size lenses that comply with professional quality requirements, on the basis of a 24 megapixels sensor ?

      1. Again and again thsi topic comes up.
        But still there is no sign that A-Mount line will die.

        – even with these new lenses the E lineup is tiny compared to the A’s
        – and Sony still releases and announces lenses for A
        – A-Mount has high grade FF Zeiss/G lineup and the new “easy choice”
        – NEX so far is worked around APS-C sensor (even if FF is theoretical possible)
        – CDAF is still slower than PDAF
        – there is a market for optical view finder
        – Advanced and pro photography market is about image as well; NEX will have it even harder than A900+ZA lenses
        ….

        Possible that Sony fades out the entry level A-Mount DSLR lineup.
        And the A-Mount cameras shift up in price and features, in the future.
        But A-Mount will not die over night.
        Sony did heavily invest in the DSLR section, the last 5 years.

        1. “CDAF is still slower than PDAF” – yes, this is the main point but from what I read it’s improving.Inew faster processor and newer algorithm can improve this to a level where you can not feel the difference except for very fast sport events ( most likely for this you will want a long telephoto lens anyway not a light camera).

          Agree with everything else.Alfa will stay, but most likely only on the high end segment of the market (I wonder how much is this in sales and profit for Sony ? I think this is most likely like Formula 1 more like a demo of what you can do than a money maker bussiness).

    2. In that case expect the Alfa line to completely fade out in the next few years and replaced by the NEX line. If you can get a fast focus without the mirror (without phase detection) the last reason to have a mirror even a translucent one is gone.

      I think there will be a mirrorless A-mount long before the above ever happens. What would happen to the 300+ a-mount (Sony/Minolta/3rd Party)lenses that already auto focus?
      What about balancing long tele lenses on a Nex body?

      1. With this I have my doubts.I think Sony will keep E mount only for mirrorles. You will have Alfa only as SLT’s for APS-C which can mirror for some time at least the price/features of the NEX counterparts, and true DSLRs with OVF only in FF format (pro and semipro sector).These will stay in the over $2000 price range but they will of course update the sensor and features in time.

        1. Well… the mirror’s got to go!
          SLT is just a stop gap to mirrorless
          Once PDAF is common place and its coming…90% of all cameras will be mirrorless. All major camera manufactueres are working on it.
          I think fast CDAF will continue to lag behind PDAF.
          So no more OVF.
          Global shutter on CMOS sensor will be next hurdle and lastly electronic aperture in lenses.
          THEN we will have a truly DIGITAL ILC.
          No moving parts from the front element to the file output.
          5 years tops.
          Your mileage may vary.
          🙂

          1. how do you auto focus without at least 1 lens group moving? PDAF don’t mean lens dosn’t move…

  15. About that NEX-7, is the “superb build quality” a code phrase for weather-proof? And will it feature a GPS like the A55 (and, for that matter, will the A77)?

    The projected prices for the NEX lenses would also be a very appreciated information.

    1. I read that Sony said that NEX (so E mount lenses) was designed with the full frame in mind, so a FF NEX is possible in the future. I’m not an expert but I think it should not be a problem for any of the current or future lenses to handle any APS-C resolution sensor. I’m not sure if the current lense could handle a FF sensor, as many Alfa APS-C lenses can not, but this is another story. I think the sensor size is the limiting factor not the resolution (newest compact camera with 16 MPixels sensor have a density equivalent with a 60 Mpixel APS-C and they are doing ok with probably lower quality glass than NEX lenses).

      1. > newest compact camera with 16 MPixels sensor have a density equivalent with a 60 Mpixel APS-C

        Actually, it’s much more than that! It’s equivalent to 217 Mpix on APS-C.

        Indeed, the number of pixels is proportional to the area, not the diagonal, so you have to multiply by something close to 5.6^2

        (by 25 ÷ 26 x 5.6^2 because of the different formats: 4:3 for compact cameras vs. 3:2 for APS-C)

  16. if the NEX-7 is due in October and it’s the sister to the A77, when should we expect the A77?

    Please don’t say October…
    Please don’t say October…
    Please don’t say October.

  17. Well, a good question is WHEN are these lenses going to be released, namely the 55-200. A couple NEX users that I know are waiting for a 200mm lens that they don’t have to spend $800 on (i.e. 18-200)

  18. I can’t believe they’re going to bundle the 18-5mm with the NEX-7. That lens is neither spec’d high enough or executed well enough for an enthusiast camera. There is no way it can resolve a 20mp+ sensor.

    Oh well, the Zeiss 24mm f/1.7 should be outstanding lens for those that like 35mm lenses (in full frame terms). Since I’m more of a 50mm guy I guess I’m out of luck for the foreseeable future. Looks like m4/3’s and the pro-grade Olympus PEN will have to be the route I take. It should be here long before October and with more and better lens options. It’s a shame, I really would prefer an APS-C sensor. Perhaps in a few years I can look at the NEX system again after it’s had time to mature.

    1. I’m in the same boat. A very limited lens selection is what keeping me away from NEX, and with this roadmap, it still doesn’t seem like a decent normal (40~50mm equiv. w/ atleast f1.8) is coming anytime soon. My m4/3 with 20mm/1.7 will have to do for a bit longer.

  19. I can only say: “Woot! Zeiss 24/1.7”

    If the mockup is correct, it should be a bit smaller than the 18-55, and a whole lot faster.
    This together with the 18-200 would be my ideal travel set.
    Now the only question is, when will they be avauilable? (and at what price?) :O

    1. I was a bit miffed as to why the Zeiss 24mm mock up was so large actually. Given, it should be sharper than the Panasonic 20mm/1.7, but damn the Panny 20mm is no slouch and it will fit in my pocket. I have to wonder if the Zeiss 24mm has been designed to cover the frame on a hypothetical full frame NEX-9.

      1. And then…
        Have a FF camera with 2 available lenses?
        A 2000€ NEX camera?

        I wouldn’t read too much out of the mock-up’s colour.
        Sony/Zeiss lenses yet are very useable wide open.
        Tath can mean that the lens is actually designed to be a little bit fast but never opens up fully (like the 1680ZA).

        1. “Have a FF camera with 2 available lenses?”

          This is why you will not see a NEX9 in the next 2-3 years. Meantime Zeiss and maybe others can release more FF E mount lenses.

          A 2000€ NEX camera?

          Why not ? If will have same sensor/features as a future A9xx camera ( which could be $2500 taking in consideration the pentaprism and OVF cost). It will not sell a lot of cameras but may sell at least the same as A9xx ones. I remember reading on forums when NEX3/5 prototype was shown a lot of people saying that this is a joke 🙂

          I think NEX3/5 was a test. From what I see the test passed better than expected. ( more than 40 % of mirrorles market with 2 cameras in a matter of months!).

  20. oh, i was hoping the Zeiss would be 30mm or 35mm, and then wait for the portrait lens of 85mm later this year.

    anybody want to guess how much this Zeiss is going to cost? would it price like Alpha mount Zeiss? $1k+ USD?

  21. Some may have overlooked one thing: from the lenses mockup they clearly showed that the “Zeiss” wide prime and the “G” standard zoom are in BLACK-CHROME color, which is to differentiate between those APS-C-ed silver lenses.

    I am not trying to draw any conclusion on “what” to be differentiated, but this may be a hint of something.

    24mm doesn’t mean anything but when the focal length of “G” standard zoom get revealed, truth is almost there.

    One step further, if the “G” is something like 24-70mm, NEX-9 will be out in somewhen 2012.

  22. The Zeiss 24/1.7 is designed to cover a larger sensor than the Panny 20/1.7, and it is a wider equivalent focal length. Besides, maybe it won’t need the built-in software correction that the Panny needs.

    1. Obviously it covers a larger sensor, but APS-C isn’t *that* much larger. The Zeiss mock up looks like it’s 3 or 4 times the size of the Panasonic 20mm 1.7. As far as software correction goes; who cares. As long as the results are good (and they are from the Panasonic) then Sony should use whatever means are at their disposal to make these lenses as compact as possible.

  23. Great news for those that care about NEX cameras

    For me, one of a possibly dimming group of photographers that make an income using the old Minolta a-mount Sony’s move into professional non-movie cameras has been painful

    Minolta lenses have proven to be very good (Sony is still using them, rebranded with Sony’s name) Zeiss lenses, are lens-for-lens the best available anywhere and I have several, but there needs to be more of a selection.

    I would love to replace several of my old Minolta lenses that are frankly wearing out with faster forcing ones, but Sony’s hasn’t made many changes to its professional lens since purchasing Minolta several years ago.

    I would love to see few tilt shift lenses.

    For my needs, my Alpha a850 is and Zeiss lenses together make better images than any of my friends Canon 5’s or Nikon 700. Only the Nikon D3’s do it better in my opinion.

    At some point Nikon may release a replacement to the 700 or Canon releases its replacement of its 5D and the image quality could force me to move to a different lens mount if Sony continues down the same path it has since it acquired Minolta; how many years ago was that?

    I figure moving to a new lens mount, figuring the cost of replacing lenses and speedlites to be about 10k not including 2-3k for a body; something I don’t want to do.

    Does this newly discovered Nex information source have a friend over in the alpha group that would be willing to tell us Sony’s Roadmap for this product?

    I’m looking forward to seeing a release date for a a77 (also not NEX)
    It sounds like a good small and cheap (lite)camera to carry around with my 24-70 f/2.8 for hiking and personal travel.

    1. A77, cheap? If it is the same price of the D7000 at launch it’ll be uncomfortably close in price to the A850 and the same price as a used A850!!

      The dilemma facing Sony users will be; should they get a new A77 or a used A850…:)

      1. money is not an issue for pros who use the camera as a tool to make money. Of course people would get the best value they can even as a business. Here’s another way to look at it: the A77 is promised to have A55’s high ISO quality in 24 MP. If so, then the 24Mp sensor in A77 is much cleaner than A850 at high ISOs, and hopefully at low ISOs it lives up to the clean reputation of A850/900 as well. The many innovations introduced in between A850 and A77 will make A77 more compelling for a long-term value investment. You could argue about FF vs APS-C … but A950 or A99 will be there sooner or later to replace A850 and A900, so again, A77 for long term value.

    2. Steve, I understand perfectly your concern. You are a good example of an Alfa Pro user. I will give my case as example, another category of users.

      I’m not a pro just amator.I don’t make a living from photography. I owned at their time 2 film SLRs ( no autofocus just manual ones at this time, the first one did not have any auto mode, not even a measurement, you needed to use an external one or guess). After that I owned 2 film Olympus which now will be called superzoom (non removable lens but big glass, autofocus but of course no image stabilization). My first digital camera was the Sony F828 not bad for it’s time. Later , in addition I’ve got high end Fuji PS (high end for it’s time and for it’s class) camera. Now I decided that it’s time for an upgrade, but I do not have any incentive for a vendor or another.To tell you the truth, until a year ago Sony was the lowest on the list as they still were using their proprietary memory stick format.This changed since they add support to SD (including SDXC format), so they are back in business, for me.

      I also want to do video. Not big movies, but when I travel I like to take clips.And they should be good quality. I owned an HD TV ( a Sony XBR CRT) since HD was in infancy with PBS only demo loops), so I know the difference in video quality :).I hate how VGA from my previous cameras look on my TV 🙂

      But I don’t want to carry a camcorder AND a good camera, I like to travel light ,so I did not feel I need to upgrade yet. Finally it looks like the technology has cought up. I checked NEX , nice but hated the form factor. To big for packet to little controls for a true camera , can get with it on my PS one but don’t have any expectation for the quality of photos.

      I liked A55 , almost ready to buy, but I know that I will not upgrade for a few good years if I buy. Video is good but is limited to 17 Mb/s and 60i – when other alredy have 1080p60 ( this is a BIG deal for the video enthusiast, if you read any forum!). I can pay more for a camera (this why the witing for A77) , but for sure will not buy another camera in a year or two ( for sure will not get wife aproval).

      It looks now that 1080p60 finally comes to Sony , so a good NEX7 ( in a DSLR like form factor! – I will not buy a NEX3/5 body style or a vintage look range finder camera – I know some like it, but not me) it’s an option.If not A77.( or A55 if I just get bored waiting.Or another manufacturer if they come with something to impress me but untill now nobody did.For example nobody else has the HDR and Twilight Hand held modes which Sony has).

      Speaking about video I think it’s time as Sony gets together with Panasonic and do a revision of AVCHD (and Blu-ray) specs and add 1080p60 28 Mb/s in standard and get it over with it. This was the greatest blunder they did with Blu-ray (AVCHD is a subset so no choice) by the way, they spend years for the DRM development ( which was broke in weeks after relaese) but they limit it the MPEG AVC profile which does not include 1080p60 ! So you record in 1080p60 but must master the Blu-ray in 1080i so your blu-ray player will read it and upconverted to 1080p60 to feed your TV introducing artifacts on the way.It makes a lot of sense…).

  24. Adi, Should i start selling off my M43 system or not? 🙂
    I mean, do u really think nex-7 would keep up with the GH and the next GF3 models?

  25. any idea or clue concerning the price of the zeiss 24mm 1,7 ??
    seems to be really expensive no ?

    and when they plan on releasing it ?

  26. I thought Sony was going to release a portrait lens? 60mm 1.8 would make more sense than 50mm. It would be even better if it was 60mm 1.8 and also macro. How much will the 30mm macro and the 50mm cost? For people who do not want a zoom, will the primes be offered as part of a kit with the next Nex? And will the successor to the Nex 3 have more manual controls?

    1. I agree. I can’t figure out why companies keep making 50mm portrait lenses for APS-C. Pentax made a 55mm, which is slightly better, but a 60mm f/1.4 or 1.8 would make much more sense.

  27. Will the 30mm be a pancake? How big is the 50mm? Really hoping these are affordable lenses (if they exist)- based on the specs I imagine they will be. When will they be released? Hopefully by May. The lack of native Nex lenses is a joke.

  28. If Nex-7 will be APS-C nad not FF, for 1250€, that 18-55mm kit better be f2.8 fixed and corner to corner sharp at f4… 🙂

  29. I’m going to predict that the successor to the NEX-5 will be the NEX-6.

    NEX-6. Nex6. Nexus. I’m going to name mine “Roy”.

  30. Because a 35/2 or 35/1.4 lens would’ve killed them. Back in the day, when it was the dog that wagged the tail, camera systems were anchored by the 50/1.4 equivalent. Now we get, uh, 75/1.8. Seriously, do these people ever use their stupid cameras? Cosina must’ve sold more 35/1.4 Noktons in the past six months than in the whole history of that lens. Sony presents a disquieting picture of confusion, with Zeiss as its handmaiden. They should just make a digital full frame Zeiss Ikon.

  31. a 50/1.8 e-mount lens, are you serious? I sincerely hope not. Why not a 55/1.4? 75mm equiv is a tad too short. Did they just get lazy and use the Sony 50/1.8 and cut off the a-mount and glued an e-mount to it?? Samsung and it’s 85/1.4 NX lens looks better.

  32. One question for ( “the source” ), which I think does not divulge to much: the LCD screen for NEX7 (and A77) is going to be the same as for the new DSC-TX100V ?

    (“the Sony Cyber-shot TX100V is a 3.5-inch XtraFine TruBlack Organic LED panel with a resolution of 1,229,760 dots, roughly equivalent to an 854 x 480 pixel 16:9-aspect array, with each pixel comprising separate red, green, and blue dots”).

    I did not see it but on paper this looks great ! I hope they will use it on the NEX and Alfa cameras.

  33. Any word about video capabilities in the new NEX line? 24p would cause me to give the system a second look, 30p is fine for some applications, but I need to have the choice. 60i is completely useless.

    1. Ai think 1080p60 is a must as Sony has a compact and a bunch of camcorders anounced supporting it.Not sure about 24p…

        1. First “it is true” as the specs are officiay anounced. But this is not a DSLR, DSLT or mirrorless, but a compact, so different sensor (much, much smaller size). I hope that Sony will be able to have 1080p60 on the new rumored sensor for NEX7 and A77, but it’s not a given. I think current 14/16 Mpixel APS-C sensors are not fast enough fpr 1080p60 so it’s a hardware limitation not a software one.I think we need to wait and see…

        2. Even if it’s 1080P on paper, it won’t be in absolute quality terms. It doesn’t matter if it’s a 4K cam. With that tiny sensor and massive compression, it’s just file size and no quality.

          1. Sensor size yes, compression no. It uses 28 Mbit/s (same as Panasonic camcorders) MPEG4-AVC which is not bad at all ( this is more than 50 Mbit/s MPEG2 equivalent. AVCHD itself with a maximum of 24 Mbit/s is not bad at all , only it does not support more than 1080i60. Many videographers are pretty happy with 1080p24 form Canon for example. So no, compression is not a problem but the sensor size will be limiting factor. It will work well for outside, sunny days, but will not work for interior shootings, or twilight/night ones. This is where the sensor size and sensibility really matters.

  34. Presumably these are the 4 lenses shown in the picture of prototype lenses on display at Photokina last year? If so, the macro seems a realistic size, with the Zeiss lens being quite massive. Any specific info on size, weight, etc?

  35. If this is true than finally it did worth waiting for a mirrorless camera with almost all the potential of a DSRL…all i ask is that the camera must HAVE an EVF…. togheter with the 24 and 30mm, it will be a killer combo…just wish it was 24mm and 35mm (30mm is too close to 24mm)

  36. Sony has the better bodies and sensor…
    … but samsung has the best lenses… 20 and 30 pancakes, soon a 16 pancake. Unfortunately they will also make a 50 (1.4) (in 2012 :-() and not a 60 for portraits…
    I think I’ll buy a samsung nx100 with the 30, then the 16 and an m42 portait lens (helios 44 – 58mm, f2.0 ; pentax 55 f1.8 : rokkor 58mm f1.4 or another prime in the 60mm-zone) or eventually a pancake (industar 50-2, f3.5). The NEX-lenses are way too big for the purpose of a small capable camera, even the 16mm is big.

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