Sounds like the big hit from Fuji at Photokina will be the new X-Pro 2 with hybrid viewfinder! These could be the camera specs:
APS-C sensor
24MP sensor
available in 2015
tilt screen
WiFi
Non organic ASP-C X-Trans sensor
Announcement at the photokina 2014
via Fujirumors.
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If finally 24mp, then it could be the best mirrorless camera on the market.
That begs two questions:
What do you feel is currently the best mirrorless camera?
Does resolution really separate the best from the rest?
The best one now? A tie for x-t1, a6000 and em1, with no clear edge to anyone. If x-pro2 has the features of x-t1, in the rangefinder form factor, with even more resolution (Dr and high Iso performance being unchanged or even improved) I don’t see another mirrorless camera able to challenge it. Perhaps nx1 if rumors were true and it comes in nice looking body and form factor (unlike nx30).
As to the resolution of 24mp, I’d almost surely buy it in that case. While I would NOT buy the 16mp model right now.
How big do you print that you might need 24MP?
Depends, but never more than 60*40cm, so 16mp would be enough, BUT…you seem not to take cropping into account. I like to have the freedom of taking a pic of a fast moving subject with a fixed focal lens, and then reframe in pp. If you start from 16mp, in a heartbeat you can find yourself with a 10mp file or less, while if you start from 24mp, it’s an entirely different story.
Of course if you just take pics of static subjects and you have all the time to frame the shot the way you want, 16mp are more than fine. I happen to shoot for 90% of my time subjects that don’t pose (my daughter, her friends, insects, small animals, …). And I love using primes.
looks like you don’t really know that you are opening up a can of worms with what you are saying. if you believe that an increase in MP would increase your possibility of capturing animate objects and cropping them to that level of resolution, you are gravely mistaken.
let me educate you that:
*an increase to such resolution level would require a high quality and costly and heavy lens to be able to meet the demands of a 24MP sensor. are you really sure you want to go on that road of losing portability and increasing costs? cropping heavily would also reduced the resolution quality of the image if you are not yet aware of that.
*an increase in resolution would magnify the problems that doesn’t show in smaller resolution cameras. the demand of skill required is increased. tiny movements would result to blurs and out of focus results. are you sure you are up to that task of obtaining such results? camera/lens stabilization or fast shutters doesn’t help a lot as you are cropping heavily and would result to showing deficiency in your images.
the biggest mistake of most people nowadays is the belief that an increase in MP resolution is the answer to those needs. that is the biggest marketing gimmick and BS that any knowledgeable and competent photographer would never ever fell for. you should get a clue why real photographers invest on high-quality lenses and not much on bodies. there is no replacement for high-quality lenses. that is the cardinal rule of photography. learn it well.
I don’t agree. It’s enough to have a look at dxo lens tests. Take Nikon lenses, for example. They all give more resolution on higher mp bodies. Perhaps not a linear increase, but an increase. And if you have a 24mp image and don’t need the extra mp, you can simply resize it to 16mp and get all the benefits you are referring.
So I firmly stay my case. More mp is better, unless that reduces the Dr or high iso performance (which is not the case when new gen sensors are out, like shown eg by Nikon 800 vs Nikon 600).
P.s. as to cropping. I have both a 20mp aps-c and a 14mp aps-c. The 20mp allows me to better crop, while retaining the level of sharpness I like. I don’t see why 24mp shouldn’t be even better.
Maybe they should’ve kept it at 16 MP and increased DR or high ISO, like what Sony did with they A7s. In fact, they decreased it to 12 MP to get that high ISO capability.
You can’t resize RAW images.
Bigger MPs mean bigger files. That means more time to write to your card, needing bigger SD cards, bigger HDs, and more.
You shouldn’t need to crop that much.
More MP doesn’t mean it’s better. There should be a sweet spot. I think 16MP is that sweet spot. Heck I was okay with 12 as well. I think instead of chasing MPs, they should invest that research into increasing dynamic range and high iso.
Not sure if I want 24mp….. Only if the noise level remains as low as it is now for up to 6400…Which I do use a bit with my Street at time, to keep my DoF deep in shadowed areas.
And, how about Touch/AF/Shoot on the tilting LCD….I really liked that on my past camera.. OMD E-M5 I sold to buy a Fuji X-E2/18/35….
I Have considered the X-Pro2 as my upgrade from the X-E2…. or a 2nd body…
My quick thoughts….
APS-C, that’s fine, don’t need FF and Fuji lenses as is are enough to choose from to work with their current APS-C size sensors.
24mp?… I can’t say there was anything wrong with the 16mp they currently employ.. if it really adds detail without sacrificing DR & High(er) ISO performance, I’m down with it.
Available 2015?.. aww… can’t we get it by end of this year (2014) for Christmas gift for ourselves?!
Tilt Screen? Yes! I’m know there a lot of rangefinder style purists out there that probably only want to use the OVF/EVF, but I don’t care.. there are some angles you just need a tilt screen for for convenience and get that shot… I also hope they add touch screen, as well… it’s so much fast and convenient to simply press exactly where you want to move your focus point to instead of multiple direction pad presses.
WiFi? Yes! Can’t say I use it much with my E-M1 (namely cause the stupid Android OS doesn’t seem to work worth sh!t with it, iOS seems much more stable and usable), but if it works well, it’s a welcome tool and way to add flexibility to my workflow.
Non organic ASP-C X-Trans sensor (ORS)? What does this mean exactly? aren’t all sensors essentially “non-organic” anyways?.. This concept needs further explanation.
Announcement at the photokina 2014 (ORS)? hopefully it will be announced at Photokina in September. I think it should since this show is so big about Photography gear in Japan, and they are about as big as photographic whores as you can get… no apologies here, it’s well known for years and I’m not afraid to admit to be almost as, uh.. “climactic” about seeing new photo gear and tech in the near future. There should be a lot of new stuff and big announcements to put some new targets in the sights of pros and consumers for the holiday season, or the time shortly after at the beginning of new year.
My additional hopes on X-Pro2 to surface…
– improved hybrid OVF/EVF (& LCD).. can’t ever make this good enough. refresh rate, magnification (size), noise, detail and clarity, etc…
– improved AF… like EVF & LCD, can’t ever make this good enough, needs to be better.. I assume this comes along with having better phase detect added onto the new sensor?
– flash capabilities… i know a lot of people use natural or available light or whatever they can setup with Fuji cameras, but flash is very important and the slow sync speed is pretty sad.. not to mention as a flagship camera, it really needs to have HSS Flash Sync capabilities to give it that edge where high shutter speeds in bright conditions really matter… A new flash/strobe will be needed I believe to be able to accommodate such performance.. either way, hope this area will be improved in the X-Pro2
– on a related topic as just above, can we also finally boost the max shutter speed to 1/8000?
– a more competitive and useful video record mode so we can get more than just great still photos, for those who really would like a more rounded capable camera.
– diopter for VF… I know the X-Pro1 never had one, but all other X cameras with VF’s do, so why not put one in the X-Pro2 so we don’t have to buy another accessory to see clearly through VF (assuming we have perfectly matched eyesight for the VF)?
http://www.fujifilm.com/news/n130611.html