Samsung announced the NX300M which adds a 180 degrees flip screen. The previous model had a 90 degrees flip screen. This is the only new feature of the camera. Not really a big story if you consider the competition is coming out with a X-E2 (FUji) and A7 Full Frame (Sony). I hope Samsung’s big stuff is coming soon too (maybe in Januray?).
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Samsung desperately needs to have an outstanding new body with a glorious evf (on par or better than omd em1) if they want to gain some attention and market share for nx system.
I have set up a poll on dpr discussing about the future of nx30:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52283174
Samsung needs something that nobody else has, like medium-format rangefinder-style camera.
They have a 85mm F1.4 lens with Auto Focus, which is why I bought an NX300 as my third mirrorless system. Nobody else has this.
In fact the lenses are a distinctive point and are very good. The big issue is “the bodies”. The NX20, as slow as a turtle, with an old EVF (lower res and refresh than any competitor). The NX300, faster and with very nice touch features, but with tiny buffer (5 raw) and no optional EVF. The Galaxy NX, the worst of the two worlds, hanging often when using raw, same tiny buffer than nx300, no physical controls, same EVF than NX20, not a good smartphone, not a good ILC.
They need to produce a NX30 standing out, with very stylish body (eg rangefinder style) traditional physical controls and possibly some new unique feature, like IBIS on APS-C body and selectable lowpass filter, ala Pentax.
If not, they will be going out of this market soon, alas.
Why so harsh comparing NX300M to Sony A7? The NX300M is like the NEX 5R is to the 5N, not really a new model, just some new features.
Eric
Appleish.
Samsung makes mistake after mistake, and they will be very costly mistakes.
Making the NX Galaxy camera was a very stupid mistake.
And offering “old” NX300 with modified screen as “a new camera” is mistake as well.
It could be much better for samsung if they produced nx300 with EV (rangefinder style) and 180′ screen and offered it as new nx300R which stands for viewfinder rangefinder style.
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Samsung totally misunderstands camera market and sales results confirm my statement. Samsung thinks that camera market is like phone market, where every year or two, people change the phone. Samsung does not realize, that if someone buys olympus 12-40 lens, he will stay with olympus for looooong years. And if someone buys zeiss lenses for sony NEX, that person also will stay with sony for a very long time. Samsung basically LOST EVERY CHANCE to become major player in camera business. Fuji, Sony and Oly/Pana offer better lenses and more choice of lenses. Samsung has only 3 lenses. All other lenses are dogs. I’m laughing with people who say that 30 mm lens is sharp. They never saw sharp lens 😉 30 mm is a dog. So big dog that Dpreview refused to use it for test shots with samsung camera.
85 mm and 60 macro are too big to sell well. Samsung has no fast wide angle, no fast telephoto. They lost the battle and they lost it for at least 5 years.
And it should be noted that Samsung will make more mistake. The people who run lens division seems to be naive and others are not better.
Samsung reputation in the photography world is really bad. B$H and Adorama will not take samsung equippment for trade in. And mirrorless rumors deletes any post that mention that fact. You’ll see what they’ll do with this post.
So… I take it your not a big fan of Samsung, huh?
Not at all. I tried to sell my Samsung gears, and i tried to trade it in in B#H and Adorama. Impossible.
1 NX300m is not NX400 or NX30…So actually it is just a new version of a current model…
2 Comparing with other mirrorless system (especially aps-c mirror less), the lens of samsung system is good enough(especially when considering the price). Everybody know that the official NEX lens is ridiculous, unless you have enough money to buy zeiss…
While I agree with you about samsung’s mistakes, I absolutely don’t agree about lenses.
Have a look at dxo for an extensive test of samsung’s primes. The 30mm is indeed excellent, but for the af speed. The 45mm is excellent as well, and so is the 85mm. 16, 20 and 60mm are very good.
The problems are the bodies.
I have better proposal.
Instead of looking on DXO ‘tests” why don’t you just:
1/ put your camera on tripod, frame properly (with proper alignment) the resulution target, and take few pictures starting with aperture 2.0
Then tell us how good is the lens in the corners.
in case you do not know how to do proper alignment of target to the camera, please read this link so you do not even need to do the test
http://www.optyczne.pl/222.4-Test_aparatu-Samsung_NX300_Rozdzielczo??.html
WOW, you mean a 30mm prime is soft in the corners at 2.0? OUTRAGEOUS!
NX gear is clearly ‘impossible’ to sell. There’s no such things as eBay, FredMiranda, DPR or Craigslist. Nobody. Buys. Any. Samsung. Products.
No hyperbole on your end. Arrogant diatribe, much?
I like how everyone criticizing Samsung gets called ‘just another Samsung-hater’ in one or the other variant. Interesting to see how it occurs with other brands in a much smaller proportion (except for Apple).
I rely on several Samsung products every day such as my monitor, SSD etc. They are good products that also last. None of my Samsung SSDs failed me (and I have piled up quite a bunch of them and use them really heavily) and my monitor is as good as on the first day. However, things get less glorious when Samsung starts building things that are more complicated than what is essentially just a display panel, or a memory chip.
Last time I tried to get a more complex Samsung device (S3) I just gave up after several returns. I don’t doubt that it’s a great product if you can get one that’s assembled properly (which I did expect for the price that I payed back then). But that’s not how you build a reputation.
Btw., I think some of the Samsung hate is genuinely deserved. Recently, I thought I’d give the Galaxy line a second chance as my GF was looking for a decent phone. Then I found out about the (backwards) region-locking. How could anyone in his right mind expect to not get hated for such a policy?
Sony NEX releases the same model every year, not sure why you complain about Samsung doing the same. It is normal to have minor upgrades to just have a new model. Look at the NEX 5, 5N, 5R, 3, 3C, F3, 3N, etc. Heck, my NEX 3 is better than my 3 generation later 3N in many ways.
The Samsun 30mm is a very good lens, some corner softness at f/2 and f/2.8, but really very minor and only in the extreme corners. Only issue with the 30mm is it could focus faster. The lenses on Samsung are all generally very good.
I really want to like Samsung. I think they are capable of making some astoundingly good products. Unfortunately, they consistently seem to fall short when releasing a tool that can be used creatively. They tick so many right boxes, but ignore the ones that could push them ahead of the pack. The Galaxy NX release was most revealing: they seem to view cameras on much the same level as cell phones. But cell phones they are not, they are a creative tool. The sooner Samsung accepts this, the sooner they can truly compete. They already have good build quality and great lenses, they just need a photographer on their team to tell them what photographers (the ones who buy cameras that aren’t phones) need and want.
I hope the galaxy nx stays a big mistake and does not become the trend for samsung.
The most disturbing in samsung behaviour is not keeping promises.
By the end of this year, according to OFFICIAL roadmap, we should have:
1/ 24 mm f1.8 ED lens
2/ 135 f2 telephoto
3/ 200 f2.8 telephoto
4/ pro zoom 16-50 f2.8
5/ middle class zoom 16-80 f3.5-4.5
Where are these lense?
Am i samsung hater? Well if they fail to deliver one lens, I would keep quiet. But they did not deliver anything they promised.
Now let’s look at the flashes. Oly has wireless flash. Pana has wireless flash. NEX has flash that can be used as wireless. Nikon point and shoot and canon point and shoot can use wireless flash with very advanced mode.
And samsung flash is still at 60s of the previous century.
I got myself reversal ring for samsung nx200. Got “no lens attached” error. I emailed samsung asking how to disable it. Sony can disable it, pana and oly can disable it, samsung cannot. Why? Should i love samsung for that?
I asked on dpreview forum how to take double exposure photo with samsung nx200. I did not get even one answer. Till today i do not know hot to do it. Even point and shoot cameras have this mode.
So tecnoworld, Eric, i’m asking you for help.
Tell me how to:
1/ use my reversal ring with samsung
2/ how to shoot double exposure
Show me guys that samsung forum can be constructive.
Waiting for your response.
As to the reverslar ring, you should depress the tiny silver button in the mount. Some cheap adaptors can’t do that correctly. I hat to attach a small piece of adesive paper on the leaf of the adaptor. Hope this helps.
About the other issue: do you need exposure bracketing? If so you can do that going in the drive menu, change drive mode to ae bracketing. You can choose a range for ae (say +/- 1 ev) and the camera will take 3 shots at -1, 0, +1 ev.
Thanks tecnoworld.
I am afraid to put paper because the debris could make my sensor dirty.
I paid for that reversa ring $6 so i can dump it. What reversal ring would work?
Could you please tell me what brand you use so I would be sure that my next purchase would work.
Much appreciated.
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tecworld,by double exposure i mean taking two pictures on the same frame like I did with nikon d700. Is there any trick to do that in samsung nx200?
to be very honest any mirrorless available now besides the Leica M is ugly and not selling very well.
I might buy Sony FF E mount camera but I already know it is ugly(we had a big meeting with Sony last month).
that said, this Samsung is least ugly mirrorless camera, and if it had VF, I’d get this one.
I expect Samsung can make a good mirroless FF soon, until then , we may have to stick with the shitty E mount.
NX300 rules 🙂