Another rendring of a high end A9 DSLR alike camera (SonyAlphaForum).
A few days ago I told that trusted sources told me that Sony is about to announce a new High End camera. But other than that I have no reliable info about the possible specs of it. In those last couple of days I got some info from anonymous sources which I think are at 99% wrong. But I figured that you might want to read what I got in my mail box. Maybe a miracle will happen and one of those will get true one day 🙂
Anonymous Source 1:
I wanted to tell you that I saw a new mounting system on a lens. It was not A or E mount nor Nikon or Canon but advertised as for Sony. Judging from the specs of the lens it is for Full Frame 35mm, but a pinch smaller.
The engineers told me they can not disclose what for it is…
Anonymous Source 2:
8k video recording with 32 mega pixel still shot from each frame.
Native iso below 50.
Instant connectivity via wifi & Bluetooth to most popular phone apps, Apple and Android.
Flexible touch screen.
Super hi Rez EVF, higher beyond A7ri
Minimum 100 mega pixel.
Built in 1trb flash storage with usb3 & C output
More to follow.
Anonymous Source 3:
You are close … Just
Not A mount , E mount
And the Key is true 16 bit ?
Massive Picture quality increase.
N+C don’t expect it…
Anonymous Source 4:
I believe there will be a CML (compact mirror less) “A9” or “A7-Pro” with BSI 56-58 Mp (effective) in appr.late November. Also a mirror less A 99 II with same BSI sensor 56-58 Mp. OLED-EVF! In spring 2016 an A 88 II, equiv to Pentax K 1 FF, will appear. Same BSI sensor but scaled down to 42 or 36 Mp. Sony now uses only two FF sensors – one BSI appr 60 Mp, one FSI appr 50 Mp. All FF cameras are scaled from those.
Anonymous Source 5:
The new secret weapon camera to be unleashed is a medium format Rx style camera with changeable lenses and evf.
It comes with the Sony 50 Mp backlit sensor and instead of zooms it will have a 50mm, 80mm and 150mm primes. It is aimed at landscape artists. A new 55mm lens is also being made which will have tilt/shift to facilitate architectural photography which requires a high format and tabletop photos for ads.
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It only rarely happens that anonymous sources are spot on with rumors. Last time this happened was in January when a source shared the Zeiss Batis lens specs. id dint’ belive him…but at the end he was 100% spot on!
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My favorite rumor of the bunch is the one about Sony creating a new lens mount. Very credible. 😉
if they want to release their own MF line of cameras they pretty much have to or take over Hasselblad
Well done. Medium format it is! I hope. But they’d likely start with a fixed lens camera like RX1 and Fuji did with X100 to test the waters, so mount not needed yet and no need for a new lens lineup yet. Just a fixed 80mm.
I think that rumor 1’s source forgot that Sony already has a third mount for their cine cameras which matches his exact description.
FZ mount:
Not A
Not E
Bodies are Sony
Bodies are Super35 (smaller than FF)
So much silly fantasy. These people really have a low opinion of SAR and the readers. Ultimately they only betray the stupidity of the writers of each wannabe rumor.
Whenever Sony delay a product update for a relatively long period there is certainly a big feature coming. Hopefully this will be a new imaging processor Bionz X2 or whatever they call it, maybe true 16bit processing and output.
It would be great to see this in A99II and A6100/A7000 at once. Combined with huge on-sensor P-AF speed improvement since the processor contributes to that as well.
if A99ii and A6000 successor is released at the same time, A99ii sits in the shadow and nobody cares about.
No more Bayer Sensor !
Always wondered what’s the big idea of sending such crap to SAR.
Source number 3 would be cool if it’s true.
Also I strongly believe the new secret cam and the new highend a99II that won’t be called a99II is the same camera. And it will be E mount.
What is going on with all of those fake rumors? Whatever happened to all of the reliable, trustworthy rumors? What’s the world coming to if one can’t trust a rumor?
#1 is just someone who saw a placeholder Sigma lens with SA-mount that was labeled as for Sony.
#2 is a nonsense wish list.
#3 might be of interest but highly speculative.
#4 is not even a rumor, just some dude’s random speculation.
#5 is a nonsense wish list.
Now, where are those 8 FE lenses?
I do not give these rumors high credibility….but you catagorically deny every possibilty…if YOU are correct…and I hope not..then Sony cannot possobly build any new camera.
What? Troll much?
Or #1 is someone who saw an FZ-mount CineAlta lens
Clearly, as admin says, these are all just guesses and not true insider info.
The new lens mount…smaller than FE is of course the most difficult to believe.
MF is unlikely since it would not make financial sense.
8k is interesting…and within the realm of possibility
Mirrorless pro model makes some sense and is in fact something I have been suggesting Sony should do…a parrelel line of pro style bodies to complement the a7 consumer models…bigger battery, dual card slots,larger size, etc.
If any of these turn out to be true I would consider them sensable guesses rather than insider info.
LOTS of people have been suggesting pro bodies with some or all of those features for quite a while now.
Sony can look at the new Lieca mirrorless body for ideas on how to build a pro level mirrorless bosy.
or Sony reads this list:
-higher resolving EVF
-touchscreen
-Dual card slot
-USB 3.0
-12fps
-bigger battery
ah – and claim to have fastest AF in the world
did I miss something else?
Something like that.
Yes, don’t make it look like a pig or a playmobil toy.
And Leica can look to Sony to learn how to build a pro sensor.
Of all of these, rumor 1 is the most credible.
Not A, not E, but not new either: CineAlta FZ-mount (Super35 sensor)
I’m pretty sure that the new cam will be an A-Mount pro DSLR (Like Nikon D5 or Canon 1DX). It will not have a translucent or any other mirror. If mirror than anything hybrid. I’m sure they will introduce a very very high resoulution next gen EVF. This camera will kill all other cameras!
I’m hoping for number five to turn out as real
I wouldn’t mind a “CineAlpha” series. Can I copyright that?
“50mm, 80mm and 150mm primes. It is aimed at landscape artists.”
Huh? Maybe they don’t know the difference in English between landscape and wildlife, otherwise this is bunk. And 55mm with tilt/shift for architectural photography? C’mon. From inside you wouldn’t be able to take any descriptive photos, and from outside with a 55m, wouldn’t you have to be far enough away to mitigate the effects necessary from a tilt/shift anyway?
If it were for landscape artists, there would be a series of primes between 16mm and 35mm. Wildlife, okay, telephoto makes sense.
While I agree with your comments, do note that for the Sony 50mp MF sensor, you have to multiply those numbers by 0.8 to get it to an equivalent 35mm field of view and if you are going to a 645 frame the factor is 0.6. A 55mm on something like a Phase One IQ260 or 280 is similar to a 33mm focal length on a full frame 35mm camera from a field of view perspective.
Nothing more than wishlists. We read plenty of those in the comments around here anyway.
I hope it’s 12-18Mp
Fast workflow matters, and smaller files are much faster to process than those 36+Mp monsters
I would prefer 6-12 mp jpegs. 6 mp is plenty for anyone and lets me take more pictures. The iPhone takes better pictures than DSLRs anyway, since the colors are more vivid.
Your sarcasm is misplaced. With reportage you want to post ASAP, because those posts will gain most publicity. But you also want them to differ from phone photos, so small RAW files are ideal. Many people want to process on laptops on site, and 50Mp files wouldn’t help at all.
Wanna buy my EOS 10D? It’s build like a tank and has 6MP.
You’re looking for a Canon then.
I think they will opt to improve processor tech rather than compromise resolution.
We need at least one top camera with the feature of low resolution.
It already exists.
A7S is more of a video camera. They put top AF in one body and low-res in another… 399 points + 12Mp
Clearly some people sent their wishlist via rumor form rather than on the comments section on the former SR4 rumor
New mount = curved sensor? This site reported last year that curved sensor A7-bodied prototype cameras were in the field. This would definitely require a new mount as all existing lenses would be incompatible.
Certainly if there is a new ‘revolutionary’ camera, a curved sensor would be the most likely. However, I still think the timing would be very odd to release it shortly.
As a curved sensor would only achieve its real benefit by using a fixed focal length, the resultant camera would most likely compete directly against the RX1Rii, which isn’t even available yet!
I could see one coming in a year or two, maybe it would be the RX1Riii, but I’m yet to be convinced by this rumour.
The sensor is only curved on one axis as it is fabricated as a straight piece and stressed later in the process. I mention this because the so-called ideal fixed focal length lens cannot exist; all lenses will still benefit from image plane corrections, just less so than on a flat sensor. Knowing this, I think we’ll still see various focal length lenses for curved sensors and other less-than-theoretically-ideal designs, but they’ll still have benefits over existing products.
Even if you are correct about overall benefits (although I’m not sure I’d agree with your analysis), this still doesn’t address the point I made about it being very odd timing.
Indeed, if Sony are just about to reveal the latest and greatest, based on a curved sensor, what on earth will happen to the sales of the RX1Rii?
If it performs better at the same price, no-one will touch the RX1Rii, but if it performs worse people will wonder what was the fuss. Of course, if it perfoms better, but costs a whole lot more, then there will be inevitable scrutinising over whether the improvement is worth it, or who could possibly afford it!
I can’t see it and haven’t heard a valid argument as to why Sony would time such a release now.
Because it’s a curved medium format sensor putting it in a new category! 😉
Why is everyone assuming that an almost dead-on description of the existing Sony CineAlta FZ mount (not A, not E, Super35 so smaller than FF) is describing a new mount?
The last rumor says its an RX-style camera but with interchangeable lenses. So…. that would be an Alpha (previous NEX) camera, right?
The RX series is of compact cameras!
I think the source might mean “range finder type” with RX style.
The only thing I think might have any credibility is rumor 1… Remember, there are Sony cameras that are not A or E mount – the CineAlta series.
“pinch smaller” than 35mm sounds like this guy saw a Super 35 PL or FZ-mount lens.
Well I hope Sony can beef up their processing ability to support a new super camera because at present every Sony camera I have used is snail like in comparison to canon’s big boys.
Agree, I hope Sony make speed their priority for future releases
Flash operation is even worse – forget about critical moments.
So true. Canon is my preference when shooting with speedlights vs my Sony. The TTL was terrible on my 850, 99 was hit or miss and the 7rII is better than the preciously mentioned but nowhere near the canon. If I am using my Sony I will use the speedlight in manual.
But don’t get me wrong, I am having a blast with the 7rII. The Batis lenses are tremendous. Sony needs to stop spitting out camera bodies and put a little effort into their lighting and beef up their paltry processing. Sony shooters should not have to look towards third party solutions for their lighting solutions. Especially since there are fewer choices.
And hopefully they can stop making such great sensors and embarrassing the competition.
Or worse yet, have the competition who is using your sensor make a better camera that also produces better images (aka Nikon)
Can someone be 80% spot on? lol
He obviously didn’t meant “99% fake” literally. The meaning is rather 99% probability that the information is false. So yes, there can be a probability of 80% that someone is spot on.
I was talking about the last sentence: “at the end he was 100% spot on!” Spot on = 100% correct! So the source was 100% 100% right!
I have more $ invested in a-mount lenses than e-mount lenses but I still think it would be stupid for them to use a-mount on future cameras. Since Emount can adapt and Sony can grow the line faster. Anyone know any benefits to going A-mount?
ease and versatility of lens design. The short flange distance makes E-mount lenses harder to design.
Not exactly – you can always build a lens with a LA-EA3-adapter bolted right onto it and be back at the start. You just don’t make use of the additional options the shorter flange distance offers. To do that you have to deviate from the established formulas, and that’s where the R&D work is.
“You just don’t make use of the additional options the shorter flange distance offers. To do that you have to deviate from the established formulas, and that’s where the R&D work is.”
you are really just agreeing with me here. Simply bolting an adapter their A-mount glass defeats the purpose of E-mount existing, and at the end of the day you actually designing an A-mount lens not an E-mount lens.
This is what Samyang is doing and their lenses work fantastic on E-Mount. Only Sigma complains about the short flange distance because that doesn’t allow them to use the one lens fits all approach.
Does it matter? Point is, such native lens doesn’t reduce durability, weather-sealing and speed of changing lenses.
Simply bolting an adapter makes no sense, but using an existing optical formula and replacing the focusing/aperture/support mechanisms with E-mount electronics would work.
Only if you limit the considerations to the lens formula.
Of course you have such details as the AF subsystem that should work for contrast detection, and in general everything that involves camera/lens interaction. But those are pretty much off the shelf available.
right that’s one reason maybe. But up until now most e-mount lenses were designed for smaller cameras. But e-mount lenses don’t have to be small look at the sony fe pz 28-135mm. that thing is huge.
I don’t hear anything from Zeiss about having a hard time designing for e-mount lenses. Possibly the short flange might be weaker for giant telephotos?
Only internet bloggers find it difficult.
for a full frame, constant aperture, wide-to-tele zoom, cinema lens it is actually rather small. No E-mount lenses don’t have to be small physically, but making them more compact that the equivalent is kind of the point.
I don’t know about Zeiss, but a Sigma exec made a point of saying FF E-mount is very difficult to design for and why they haven’t come out with any offerings
This is nothing more than an old troll talking point that gets repeated so often people actually start to believe it.
Oh and the mount is too small to incorporate IBIS.
actually it is just optical physics.
For the record I’m not knocking E-mount; it is what I shoot. I was simply answering the question posed. Projecting a high quality image in a shorter distance requires a much more intricate design (which Sony seems adept at). That is a fact and the only point being made.
It’s only as intricate as adding a 25-28 mm spacer or internally offsetting the optical mounting locations by that amount. No quantum physics or quantum electrodynamics involved.
Up to now, A-mount bodies have distinct advantages such as better battery life, better ergonomics (such as AF-point control and AF mode selector) and it’s the only way to get dual SD card slots. There are still a lot of key lenses only available in A-mount, and the bigger bodies ar probably better suited for handling them too.
Right but they can make a bigger dslr body and use e-mount. What’s the benefit of A-mount. Battery life and ergonomics are not a features of the mount.
I do want a bigger body with better grip, dual cards etc but it seems e-mount would be the preferred mount for this new camera. We could use all of the old a-mount lenses and the new e-mount lenses.
Of course they can put all that in an E-mount body. But Sony still didn’t. We’re still stuck with pretty much the same body style as the original A7. The newest members, the A7rII and A7sII are already very expensive. To be honest, I hoped for an A9 but it is still a bit early for that probably. I believe that in 1-2 years we will see the A9, with best in class features all around. My only fear is that it will be so much more expensive than the current bodies, without reason except that it is “pro”. What Sony basically can do is, take the A99 body, make it slimmer, remove the SLT mirror and bolt an E-mount on it. Shouldn’t cost that much.
>but they can make a bigger dslr body and use e-mount. What’s the benefit of A-mount
They haven’t made it yet, and have made no indication they would. Also they haven’t made the native lenses, and adapted route is clumsy and has limited functionality.
They could also presumably adapt e mount lenses to a mount (but who would want that!). Might as just well stick with native a-mount lenses on a-mount cameras, which is where Sony seems to be heading.
A-mount has much better AF module than E-mount.
A-mount lenses on E-mount cameras are not fully utilized, even on A7rII. Some AF modes are not supported via LA-EA3 or LA-EA4. It is software problem because on A77II those AF modes are fully supported.
No
3 + 5, that would require a new lens mount, unless it was a fixed lens body, and it would be at a premium price so my guess is a medium format RX style camera with a fixed zeiss 75mm f2.8 lens.
An other alternative is a Z shift body which takes both A & E mount lenses and any other make via an adaptor and every lens has AF, but this should be a camera for the masses and not at a premium price.
Final option is the FE A9 pro body with the new generation sensor, Sony were rumoured to be introducing this sensor 2015 / 2016. If it gives a huge quality increase you have to pay for this new technology.
Don’t feed trolls.
Everybodies gotta eat.
I really want a better battery for A7 series or/and a new A99. Shooting now with:
A7II + LAE4 + 70200F28G
A99 + 1635Z
I’d love to know how often those flashes overheat bouncing at that distance…lol
I’ll take the one on the right please.
Will this camera make my pictures better?
Only if you go way deep into menus and sub menus and enable it. This setting is not on by default. And doesn’t work in video mode.
You could have as well posted 95% of predictions from this very disqus forum about a new camera.
That’s not true.
number 5!
“… Minimum 100 mega pixel …”
“… 1trb flash storage …”
“… A 88 II …”
“…Same BSI sensor but scaled down to 42 or 36 Mp. Sony now uses only two FF sensors – one BSI appr 60 Mp, one FSI appr 50 Mp. All FF cameras are scaled from those. …”
So much bullsh*t. I love it!
So a bunch of idiots threw a bunch of fake specs and its published? A new low…
Still there are people who turn this into another “I’d like to see” thread.
Rumor #1 might be legit. Sony is due to release some new 4K cinealta lenses.
Expect it on this site, but DPREVIEW published a rumor about Samsung. Sometimes its better just to shut the front door
all might be same source
Nah. It’s going to be some ultra high resolution camera from which you can pull any frame you want and make it a high resolution still shot. Closest to #1’s prediction.
3CMOS,3MOS and more,i saw look the same that use microlens split to 3 colors RGB.
And that Sony brink to interchangeable lens camera?
* 3MOS sensor appear on Panasonic camcorder with 1/2.3 type.
because it use 3 time more area for micro splitter.
Regardless, what is the gossip here do not care. You guys just
having a good time and save money for A99M2 going to be ≥$2500 similar to the
picture as saw only a matter of times to release, Canon and Nikon is on guard for
losing more shooters to switch name-tag device … (Y)
“I wanted to tell you that I saw a new mounting system on a lens. It was not A or E mount nor Nikon or Canon but advertised as for Sony. Judging from the specs of the lens it is for Full Frame 35mm, but a pinch smaller.The engineers told me they can not disclose what for it is…”
The least surprising thing from Sony would actually be another mount.
The rest of the rumors sound like BS (although an MF camera sounds at least plausible).
The force isn’t strong with this one.