Here are the full lens technical details of the three new Voigtlander E-mount lenses:
10mm f/5.6
12mm f/5.6
15mm f/4.5
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Is there any new information in this?
I think He just gave you new info. We didn’t have spec sheets like this before.
For my money the 12 and 10 sound really interesting. The 15 may be the safest of the bunch though. 12mm rectilinear is crazy wide. 10 may be an abomination!
Have to be very careful going that wide angle. At 10mm the lens can start to see itself, so they have to limit the close focus distance or else you get that effect like when you point a camcorder at a TV and it sees itself to infinity. That’s why you can’t get any autofocus lenses at 10mm or lower, it can damage the motors because the AF goes haywire.
Wait what? That sounds interesting. Do you have a link to an article or video explaining that in a little more detail?
Maybe on PDAF, but CDAF might handle that.
Actually exactly these specs were on the Voigtländer website since announcement.
My mistake. Fwiw I’m glad he called attention to them again.
I shoot with the rectilinear canon 11-24mm. At its widest, it is still surprisingly useable (although I try to avoid 11mm). If shooting a large group, the key is to not get anyone too close to the edge & closer to the foreground than anyone in the middle. 12mm and 13mm are very good.
Amazing and can’t wait.
Voigtlander makes a bold move on e-mount, can’t wait to see some image samples from these super wide lenses. Should be outstanding.
No filter thread on both the 10mm and 12mm? That is disappointing.
Non-detachable hood as well so can’t even ND filter the easy way
The 12mm M-mount version II comes with a 67mm filter thread, the 15mm III, also M-mount with a 58mm thread.
I reckon the E-mount and the new or updated versions in M-mount will also feature these (hope the 10mm, too).
Personally, I will go for the M-mount version of the upcoming 10mm and maybe compare the new 12mm III with my actual 12mm II and then decide.
Since they are all manual, I prefer the M-mount versions together with the Voigtländer VM-E adapter for Sony, without adapter for the Leica M8/M9 and the Fujifilm to M-mount with Fuji X-cameras and a Metabones for MFT (Olympus).. I just think the M-mount version will be more versatile..
It clearly says: filtersize
10mm n/a
12mm n/a
15mm 58mm
Agreed. The M-mount versions are more interesting for me too (even if not de-clickable), as they will allow for close focus through the adapter and will be independent from e-mount, as you pointed out. However, I doubt that they will feature filter threads, if the e-mount ones do not. But better wait and see, the whole spec sheet above might be changed at release.
This is true. Not yet the 100 % definitive release info/versions ,-)
The current 15mm III M-mount does have the filter thread, so does the actual version II of the 12mm. I don’t think Voigtländer would skip this for the upcoming 12 and I reckon the 10 will have some way of attaching filters, too. I might ask and come back with more info. n/a in Voigtländer announcements usually does not mean the feature is not available, rather that the info is not there (yet)..
These are full frame or crop sensor? What’s the price?
Full frame, no price announced.
Fullframe
wow… I was thinking crop because 10mm is INSANE. I am excited…
And de-clickable too.
http://i.imgur.com/U9kIUxf.gifv
is it really needed at minimal 5.6?
I wish the VM 35mm f/1.4 II and other VM lenses were declickable… These new lenses are a step in the right direction for video. If there is too much corner distortion even with de-clicking aperture it will be hard to use such a wide lens for video though …
The 15 v3 in M mount is awesome, really looking forward to samples from the 12 and 10mm, and a price of course.
Alright! Some manual focus E Mount primes! Finally!
10mm f5.6… you could call that autofocus, because you’re not gonna need to focus anything…
Even the 15mm at f/8 has a focus range from 50cm to infinity.
It’s totally AF. “Always focused!”
You just set it and forget it, like the Ronco chicken rotisserie.
The first time I did use my Bessa L with the 15mm Heliar I I completely forgot to set distance in the first couple of shots. Everything was in focus. Best point and shoot film combo ,-)
Voigtlander should make a E-mount Bessa…
That 15mm. I need that very much. I think I’m gonna superglue that to the body.
Can somebody explain why Voigtlander is sticking to this non-removable lens hood concept on most (all?) wide angle primes? It makes the cokin style filter systems impossible to mount on these… considering how much the landscape photographers rely on those filters makes me think Voigtlander must have a good reason to do it anyways.
Maybe a filter for that wide of a lens could degrade the IQ too much.
Shouldn’t they let the user decide on that?
I would also like to know. Especially the 15mm, which I was looking forward to. Renders my LEE filter system useless 🙁 damn you Voigtlander…
Could you 3D print some adapter similar to the one used on Samyang 14/2.8?
Probably to protect the lens, as bwud mentioned. I don’t understand why they omitted the filter threads though.
Check out my post above about SK Grimes.
If the 15mm was made to be F4 it would have been much more appealing.
1/3 of a stop makes almost zero difference on such a wide lens
Yeah, but there’d be nothing after the decimal point, so that’s something!
It can when shooting groups of people indoors. I would be all for a 3.5 version though.
why?
– F4 can be dark enough, a third of a stop darker is less desirable
– At 4.5 there is less latitude to stop down for better sharpness, corner performance
– There would be little difference in lens size moving to f4, the Canon 14mm 2.8 is a fairly small lens
Dont think this would make much of a difference for sales numbers, I got the Voigtlander 15mm mkII, being to dark have never been a problem, neither have I ever been in a situation where 1/3 of a stop made a major difference. Mostly i use it at f8 and focused at 1,2 meter, works like a dream. The MkII must be corrected for magenta corners, the E-mount version will be most welcoome.
Christopher, in english please! Me don’t understand overwise.
Hope the torture wont last too long until we get the 28/35/50/75 e-mount-primes from Voigtlander…
I want 21 or 24 also!!! Is there anybody who has experience with 21mm voigtlander Leica M mount? I heared that the last glass of the lens is very close to the sensor so there are some color aberation…..
The 21mm f4 is quite soft compared to the 21mm loxia, the 15mm Voigtlander or the 16-35mm f4 zoom. It have some magenta coloring in the corners, but it is quite easy to correct, much easier than the 15mm. The 15mm is sharp but without help from tools like cornerfix or flatfield it is quite tricky to correct.
The 15mm version 3 still has coloured corners?
ah sorry the mk2 I got, the mk3 is fine, my bad …
I did not try myself but I read everywhere that the 21 f/1.8 is quite good on the a7. It is just to big for most.
sorry but I mean f4 color scopar version I am just looking for something pancake lens . I am prety sure that I will buy the 15mm emount version but also need something between 15 and 35mm.
21mm 1.8
28mm 2.0
35mm 1.2
40mm 1.4
50mm 1.1
75mm 1.8
And add all the APO’s to the list.
They should really bring back the 90mm, the 125mm and the 180mm.
That 12mm has my name on it – just going to need to come up with a good contraption for a strong ND filter!
SK Grimes does a hood removal, I’m sure a filter ring can be added.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1387959/0#13210615
“Thank you for the inquiry about the Voigtlander SW Heliar 15mm 4.5 hood modification. We have a couple options for you:
1. Cut down the hood and paint the exposed aluminum edges – $65 (2 -3 wks)
2. Cut down the hood, strip the ring and send out for standard black anodizing. – $80 (3-4 wks)
3. Cut down the hood, strip the ring and send out for hard coat black
anodizing, a more robust scratch resistant finish. – $220 (3-4 wks)
4. Fabricate a replacement ring with standard black anodizing. – $115 (6-8 wks)
5. Fabricate a replacement ring with a hard coat black anodizing. – $320 (6-8 wks)”
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it 🙂
Is voiglander one of the top lens brand? I hear about it all the time but I don’t know about it.
It’s a specialty brand owned by Cosina, the same company that manufactures the Carl Zeiss lenses.
It’s difficult to say what is a “top brand”, but Voigtlander generally provides either cheaper lenses with better IQ than competitors (Nokton 58mm 1.4), smaller and cheaper lenses (mostly the M-line), and some rather amazing and unique lenses (Nokton 35mm 1.2). As far as I am concerned, they are a top brand – great IQ, great build quality and decent pricing.
I advise you to search Flickr or other picture hosting sites and find out for yourself.
To be honest with you, I’m not educated enough to really tell the difference anymore unless there are major distortions and out of focus shots. Everything shot with today’s cameras all look pretty darn good to me. Even with the older lens.
If you like the shots from it, it won’t matter if they’re not in the top 10.
IMO, they’re in the top tier.
A quick search found this review of the CV15III:
http://leicarumors.com/2015/05/13/my-muse-the-15mm-voigtlander-super-wide-heliar-iii-lens-review.aspx/
In comparison to these Vogitlander 10mm, 12mm and 15mm, all rather slow maximum apertures of 5.6, 5.6 and 4.5 — you have the Sony SEL1018 which has been widely reported to be useable around the 12-16mm range, and with a 4.0 aperture. Brian Smith and Trey Ratcliff, among others, have endorsed it as a viable lens for use on full frame. Given that, why would people get these individual Vogitlander’s rather than the SEL1018 zoom?
Ideally, the SEL1018 is an APS-C designed lens and thus will yield an equivalent of a 15-27mm f/6.0 when placed on a crop-body camera.
When shot with a full frame A7 series cameras they have distinct distortion and extreme vignetting. It’s actually a bit hard to correct in post because the corners distort far more than the center.
In that respect, the 10mm f/5.6 should have less distortion, less vignetting, and a faster lens.
Because it’s impossible to get accurate focus by hand with this Sony lens, all drive by wire and impossible to use in video mode.
It simply depends on what you consider “useable”. I own the 10-18mm, it performs surprisingly well, especially considering its size and price; still, it is an APS-C zoom lens with visible distortion and fly-by-wire focus. Based on current Voigtlander lenses (such as the 12mm, 15mmII and 15mmIII), they are sharp straight from the widest aperture, are virtually distortion-free and have mechanical MF rings. In terms of IQ only, they will probably be “very good”, not just “useable”.
Have you used the CV15III?
The CV12/1.8?
Or even the current CV12?
They may be slow, but they are sharp, tiny and perfect for travel, in the daytime, fast enough for handheld shooting, and tripod at night, the CV15III is great at night.
Since these will have electronic contacts I wonder if turning the focus ring would switch the camera to magnified view like it does with the loxia lenses and with sony native lenses in manual focus mode.
I read that they will support this, yes. But still, the features and details of the lenses are not yet 100 % confirmed. There might be changes in the final product.
“If enabled the camera changes automatically in magnifying mode during focusing which allows hightest accurancy. All lens-relevant data such as focal length, aperture and focal distance are transmitted to the camera. This data is shown in the view finder/display and used for metering and image stabilization.”
http://voigtlaender.com/news.html