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Got some more top info about the new 16 megapixel GX7 sensor. This has been designed by Panasonic itself and does have built-in “gamma control”. It is also the first Panasonic camera not having an Anti Aliasing filter at all!
Meantime Digicaminfo reports that the GX7 will ship from September 12 in Japan. Price for the body will be ¥ 105,000 and with the 20mm kit lens ¥ 130,000. As I told you before the price in Europe will be 999 Euro. US readers can hope that the 1$ and ! Euro equivalence in the camera market is still valid. It would mean you have to pay $999 for the body.
Some more details: ISO starts at 200 but there is an extension mode down to ISO 125. Battery life is 320 shots and weight 402g (battery included).
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Now THIS is good news from Pana 🙂
I really hope people buy this camera. Panasonic made it because this is what everyone has been screaming for every since the GF1 came out. The question is are these same people still willing to pay for those features?
“I really hope people buy this camera. Panasonic made it because this is what everyone has been screaming for every since the GF1 came out. The question is are these same people still willing to pay for those features?”
I am sure those screaming for a camera like this would buy one. Unfortunately, not everyone has been screaming.
I have not been screaming, but I think I’d like to own this. And I can imagine many more people in the world would.
I will be putting my order in as soon as I find out what the new Pana Leica lens is 🙂
To bundle or not to bundle…
My bet is the new lens will be 17.5mm given the popularity of the 28 & 35mm large sensor cameras. This will be the “special bundle” GX7
is this nex5n,7? i can’t tell..i thought sony launched it quite sometime ago?
No this one can actually have some decent compact lenses attached to it.. Lol…
I’m not I just sell my gh3 today , good that I keep so e of my canon lenses y just buy 6d
Im sure all of that is true…
Although I don’t like that they invest in gimmicks instead of competing on important points (tracking AF, fps, weather sealing, battery life, KIT LENS SPECS…), I still very much hope people buy this camera too. Without a significant success story, Pana might exit the market, and it would be a real loss for m43 as a system and photography market in general.
I dont get how do you come to that conclusion. When has pana seem to be in a financial problem? I would dare argue they are keeping the system alive and moving it forward single handedly. They have the only f1.4 lens, the only f1.2 lens, the only fast telephoto, and the only f2.8 zooms. They also have the only real pro grade camera. They cracked the fast contrast af far before everyone else, and now theyvcan make it af in a ridiculous -4ev. Theyre the only ones who seem to be churning out new sensors at least every gh generation And theyre the ones working on cutting erge sensor tech. I fail to see them exiting the market and oly running things with 3 basically Identical pen bodies
Panasonic just announced a f/1.2 lens, they don’t have it available yet. They have the only f/2.8 telezoom, but not the only fast telelens, the 45/1.8 and 75/1.8 are 1 1/3 stop faster. The e-pm2 and e-p5 are both pens but far from identical, and you forgot that little e-m5.
In other words, either you are just ignorant or you are a troll.
Who’s making this camera?!!!! Santa Claus?!!! It’s like EVERY FEATURE I’ve been looking for in a Camera since I was shooting with the Camedia!!!!
Damn, those AA filters where there for a reason! Now I have to wait for extensive reviews and there’s a possibility I won’t be interested in it after all. I hope they know what they are doing…
– those AA filters where there for a reason!
I think that it something is called “moire”
moire is easily fixed in post processing. I am sure there will also be in-camera option to correct them. Plus, moire only happen when you shoot artificial pasterns not present in nature, most of the time it is not an issue. I don’t get why people freaks out over it.
Tell the truth… I don’t know too hahaha
Manufacturers are afraid 🙂 But this is a great news, so maybe I will forgive the missing IBIS in video, let’s wait for tests.
Well, because not everyone shoots the same things you do. If you shoot a lot of portraits, moire can be an issue because lots of clothing has patterns that can show moire. Also, it is found in nature, just not usually in things like landscapes…but Macro shooters can have big problems with moire when shooting insects. Often there are patterns (especially insect eyes) that can lead to bad moire.
It usually isn’t a problem, and it can generally be corrected with modern PP, but in cases where it rears its head badly, it can ruin a shot.
Kodak felt that 14MP for their FF camera was sufficient to minimize moire. The resolutions today are well above that figure so the manufacturers seem confident that the boost in sharpness (plus the marketing advantages) is worth the occasional moire issue. MF backs have never had AA filters and in the earlier lower res versions , moire was mentioned as a problem, later versions seem to be much less affected due to the improvements in AA SW and higher res sensors.
As a signal processing engineer (but not expert of aliasing however), I wouldn’t say that moiré (generally called alliasing) is easily removed by software…In fact, putting a low-pass filter is one of the first thing that you learn concerning sampling of a continous signal. I know that lightroom has a function for moiré but I don’t think it is as efficient as a low_pass filter in camera. Moiré is generally not a problem for landscapes as there are rarely some periodic patterns but it could be a big problem for fashion photography with clothes and fabric…
On the contrary, moiré is very difficult to remove in pp and it can appear on “natural” patterns like hair or fur (or anything else) too.
Read about it here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-k-5-ii-k-5-ii-s/6
Tell me, how is moiré easily fixed in post production?
Theres a brush in lightroom that removes it completely. From mild to severe, ive not encountered a case where that brush doesnt completely remove it. And it doesnt affect iq either
“Plus, moire only happen when you shoot artificial pasterns not present in nature”
Wrong, for example, ripples on the water cause moire almost every time, because their frequency as visible in landscape pictures changes with distance, at some distance and angle of the camera they hit the frequencies close to sampling frequencies of color-filtered sensors. Even with Fuji X-Trans pattern, if you use a processor leaving enough details (unlike the Fuji in-camera JPEG engine bleading colors into each other).
Only filterless multi-layer sensor is a true solution (and +1EV in noise performance too if done right, not like Sigma).
I’m sorry to tell you, but you are wrong. Moire is very difficult to remove, even with a dedicated tool like in Capture One Pro 7.
As mentioned, the AA filter is in digital cameras to deal with moire. This was a first generation digicam solution to a problem that was really inherent to lower resolution sensors. Modern sensors contain more than enough pixels to compensate for aliasing (stair-stepping) and moire (color/pattern banding) is better dealt in software that with the splitting of incoming light rays into 4 beams.
Removal of the AA filter is like taking a layer of plastic wrap that you didn’t know was on your lenses. The images are way sharper. I have a Fuji X-E1 (no AA filter) and the image detail is mind-blowing. Kudos to Panasonic for seeing the writing on the wall and removing the AA filter from their designs!
Unfortunately aliasing issues cannot be properly corrected in software as the information needed is lost. In particular, there is no was to know whether or aliasing occurred; aliased and unaliased signals look exactly the same. The camera cannot determine if those fine lines each pixel are say actually 800lp/mm or aliased from 1200lp/mm. It can blur everything, but that’s a _far_ worse solution than a physical AA filter.
That said, you are correct that with higher resolution sensors we are pushing the limits of diffraction (which can create some aliasing of it’s own) and lenses so it’s not likely to be an issue in practice. As we’ve seen quite a few cameras now with minimal or no AA filter, I’ll defer to Panasonic’s judgement that this was the right move.
(As an interesting aside: If their IBIS is fast enough, they could randomly vibrate the sensor <1 pixel to create an anti-aliasing effect. I wonder if they might be thinking of doing that…)
Now that sensors without AA-filters are becoming more common, we will see software developers finding better solutions as well.
” It can blur everything, but that’s a _far_ worse solution than a physical AA filter.”
Isn’t “blurring everything” exactly what AA filter does? Although AA filter blur everything before color filter, and then color filter cuts the wrong frequencies, and then demosaicing blur everything again, while without AA filter you have to blur everything after color filter.
“That said, you are correct that with higher resolution sensors we are pushing the limits of diffraction (which can create some aliasing of it’s own)”
You mean “anti-aliasing of its own”?
“(As an interesting aside: If their IBIS is fast enough, they could randomly vibrate the sensor <1 pixel to create an anti-aliasing effect. I wonder if they might be thinking of doing that…)"
IBIS is made to compensate for handshake, which in humans is between 6 and 12 Hz. It would work on shutter speed up to 1/24s then. Probably anti-dust vibrator could work, but I bet it has fixed amplitude, and much higher than 1 pixel.
Software can be smarter, and find moire patters which are actually longer than a few pixels to blur only those and not every pixel as any other method does. On the other hand, such an algorithm would require a lot of computational resources. If it can be the same resources required by fast CDAF and tracking, then mirrorless cameras should have them anyway, although fast JPEG sequential speeds would be hard to achieve (especially with all the corrections required, like CA on Panasonics). Modern cameras already look like supercomputers inside. 🙂
There is no such thing as an automatic moiré correction by software. If moiré gets really bad — and as rare as it may be, without AA filter it will happen some day when least expected — it can only be attenuated with local corrections applied in post processing, something which may even require using additional image editing software along with your (well, at least my) raw converter.
Then again, most recent AA filters (like the one in my NEX) have already been so weak that I don’t think they still offer significant moiré protection anyway. So what the hell!
Very true, but as has been stated, with the pixel density on modern cameras it’s much less an issue than it used to be. Just as with pretty much every other design decision, there are trade-offs. If one shoots a lot of images where moire is a significant problem, this probably isn’t the camera for you. There are other options. And, as you say, many cameras today have very week AA filters already. My GH2 is one, and I’ve not noticed moire to be a significant issue.
I don’t yet know if I’ll choose to buy a GX7. There are still a lot of unknowns, so I’ll wait until there are some independent tests and user reports available. But if I do, and I’m going to be shooting subjects where moire is likely, I’ll switch to my GH3, which seems to have a slightly stronger AA filter than the GH2.
ISO 200 start? I guess that’s where the performance improvement comes from.
it starts from 200 from several series before…
Yes we have and for that reason I wouldn’t buy any of them.
It’s a bloods stupid move IMVHO and means that anyone wanting to shoot at wide apertures has to juggle ND’s.
With the extended range to 125,combined with 1/8000 shutter speed, this is at least better than most m43 bodies. Unfortunately, most people still think they need ISO 25,000,and it’s hard to optimize the sensor for both extremes.
High ISO seems to be the MP in the marketing world. It’s a number and that’s easy to latch on to.
ISO 25,600 is very ugly even on the best m43 cameras, but try to shoot indoor sports without ISO 12,800-16,000 and $1,500 35-100. Even 1/500s leaves a little too much motion blur in the extremities, and even at that speed E-M5 hits ISO 16,000 in many gyms.
ISO 200 isn’t an ideal base, but it’s not the end the world – the 1/8000 shutter speed up from 1/4000 will improve things when it comes to shooting at wide apertures in bright light.
With a smaller chip system to maintain the FoV and the often hotly debated equiv DoF you’re pushed to wider lenses and ever wider apertures and with wider apertures come faster shutter speeds.
Obviously, a 1/4000 sec shutter speed will not allow you to shoot in good light at f1.4, indeed you’ll be limited to f2.8 or smaller and moving to ISO 200 can only make that situation worse and negate the advantage of having 1/8000 available.
OK, years ago we thought ourselves lucky to have a shutter speed of 1/2000 but in those days we had ISO 100 film and indeed lower ISO film too.
Yes, we can use ND’s just like we did in the film age but it’s 2013 now not 1950 and after years of being spoilt by DSLR which allowed me to shoot at f1.4 and 1/8000 I find juggling lens hoods and ND’s a royal PITA.
Damn you Panasonic.
To all those who like the look of this camera – Good luck with it, but I’m bitterly disappointed and will not be putting another single penny into MFT.
Woof! Woof! Imagine being so incredibly stubborn as to think there should be one system (camera, even) that’s perfect for you. Either get the fine ND filter or just buy a D600 and complain about that somewhere else (“Damn you, Nikon, I’m leaving you for all the dirt on my sensor!”).
Woof! Woof! Imagine being so incredibly stubborn as to think there should be one system (camera, even) that’s perfect for you. Either get the fine ND filter or just buy a D600 and complain about that somewhere else (“Damn you, Nikon, I’m leaving you for all the dirt on my sensor!”).
I already have a FF DSLR and a bag full of lenses, thanks. I also have ND and other filters.
Me? Stubborn? I’m not. I just have high standards and I make no excuse for being picky about what I spend my money on.
I’m happy for people who like the spec of this camera but it’s a disappointment for me and I wont be buying one.
A base ISO of 200 isn’t the end of the world but it is the end of my interest in this camera. It doesn’t suit my needs.
DxO measurements show that the ISO200 setting actually produces images that are much slower, more like ISO125-150, and of course this varies from model to model. So, DxO compares the dynamic ranges, and all other measurements, at the same “actual” ISO, ignoring the “nominal” ISO on the setting. Hopefully, whoever leaked the “improved” data did the same. We’ll find out tonight! 🙂
DXO’s method of measuring ISO is completely different than the international standard used by camera manufacturers, and should be compared to anything except other DXO tests. This has been well documented, multiple times. While there may be some variation, you can figure that ISO 200 on the GX7 will be pretty close to ISO 200 as measured by a high quality external light meter.
DXO tests probably do more harm than good, because it would appear that 90% of more of the people who look at the results don’t understand them.
True! They use saturation ISO instead of the standard 18% grey level in JPEG.
Congrats to Panasonic, a job well done!
No AA filter. Okay.
Too bad there’s a cheesy looking, tacky chrome band on the black model. Hopefully it can be covered easily.
dont know why Panasonic think they need to indulge in that cheap crap
paint might be the answer
Exactly.
It’ll be just like painting model trains, tanks and fighter planes back in the day. 😉
I think the band looks cool!!!!! 🙂
come on, look carefully, it’s not a band, it’s just reflection from light because the body is slightly thicker than the top
Nope – looks like chrome trim, if you look at the bottom, that is the kind of difference in light reflection that you should get. It should be diffuse, it’s not. And it is consistent from image to image.
Also check out the silver body images which are larger – they also have chrome trim in the same spot.
Yep, at first I thought is was just a reflection, too, but after looking more closely I think it is a band. Not a real big deal to me, but totally unnecessary.
It is a band, PEN-style (E-P1, E-PL1, E-P2, E-P3, a little changed in E-P5).
The chrome band is ***STYLIN!*** 🙂
its a ‘go faster’ stripe!
I’ll repaint it then with my old ‘go fasta’ paint 😉
Not feeling the pinstripe either… But I’ll deal with it, trust me.
It looks more like a shiny black band than a chrome band.
Is that definitely the 20mm 1.7 mounted in that image? Probably is. Looks thicker, but it might just be the protruding mount on this camera.
zoomed in on the image … it certainly looks like the 20/1.7
timing makes sense too, only just updated the lens – first time its available in black or silver (matching the color if the bodies) … great kit lens (the GF-1 & 20 kit did very well, as did the GF-3 & 14 kit)
just on cosmetics … it does look real nice (esp. in black)
Agree, it’s very nice in black. The rumored specs look very good too! It it’s true, kudos to Panasonic!
It’s kind of fun to see how different tastes are. I prefer the OM-D design over the E-P5 and GX7. (I am not talking about handling or usability.) But it seems that most in this forum rather feel opposite.
I don’t specifically dislike the E-M5 design, but I prefer simple, functional designs that don’t try to be retro. While both the PEN and the OM-D series do, the GX7 doesn’t. If it’s at least as ergonomic as the OM-D, I’d call it a near-perfect design. I like the Fuji X-E1 for the same reason (which keeps getting wrongly labeled retro, in my optinion).
Then again, even the OM-D is still not quite as ergonomical as the Olympus E-3/30/5. As rumors go, perhaps it’s successor might? As nice I do find the GX7, personally I’ll be in any case waiting for FT phase-detection AF compatibility before making the move to MFT….
Written like that, it looks to me like a strong case against AA filters, broken down into three questions:
Exactly how often have you got a moiré plagued keeper and most importantly how much time are you willing to spend post processing it away, given its a keeper?
How many keepers on average have got no moiré worth to speak of?
Is the trade off in IQ worth the occasional extra time spent on post process?
Regarding to the much awaited pdaf support in the MFT format, I just read the PDAF vs CDAF vs Hybrid test in FotoMagazin. It was quite revealing; only the highend FF dslr and the Nikon V1 were better then the OMD in the test scenario of race cars passing by the photograper, while cheaper dslrś showed much more fail focus shots then the OMD. I have always considered FM to be very reliable in testing,and maybe some people who are waiting for pdaf in MFT should not assume superior tracking automatically.
agree … I personally prefer the pen form factor (without the sticky outy evf) or the omd or the G6/GH3 but don’t like the E-PL5 design
for me its either small/cheap (E-PM2) or mini-dslr – I’d love an omd with the G6 fold out screen … one day!
Nice.
(Not sure about “no AA filter” being a good thing, but since dpreview started making “per pixel sharpness” a major criterion, everyone started to thin down their AA filters, and between a weak one and none at all there’s not much difference left anyway.)
I like your Klein Blue avatar, Bigend.
No AA filter is pretty welcome. Looking at the Olympus output (which is also rumored to have no AA filter) it shouldn’t be an issue, and it’s is a change I certainly welcome. Ultimately, the pixels are packed tightly enough that diffraction and lens issues should limit aliasing enough to not need a filter.
The built-in gamma is possibly very neat… I saw a reference to in the German article about a “special circuit” that cuts read noise. I wonder if that means it uses the ISO amplifier automatically, thus making the RAW files basically ISO invariant? Going off the vague percentages we have, that would mean a DR of about 12.5 (vs E-M5’s 11.9). Not bad. Moreover, it would make noise quality in the shadows independent of ISO, which could be really nice.
Lastly, looks like not much discount on the 20mm as a kit… 25000 yen vs retail of 37000 yen. In the US that probably means $999 for body, $1299 for kit. Guess I’m not upgrading my 20m after all :/.
Very good.
A starting ISO of 200 is IMVHO madness on a camera aimed at enthusiasts and completely wipes out the 1/8000. Yes there’s an extended ISO mode but it’ll come with compromises.
Damn you Panasonic. I’ve waited years for this camera and with these specs you’ve killed it stone dead for me.
I now have zero interest in my camera and Panasonic have lost me as a potential customer. Nex looks the best option for me.
Nex FF looks very appealing indeed. Rumored “specs” sounds like the best tech has been put in a melting pot.
What about size? Difference will be huge, you can’t make specific lens and adjust microlenses anymore if it will be possible to change lenses. Check out UWA zooms for FF or anything above 100mm, now stick it on tiny body such as nex… this is madness!
Check out the RX1.
Astonishingly, it’s about the same size as the GX1!
Unfortunately, just like Sony’s NEX line, that tiny size translates to horrible ergonomics.
I’ve handled the RX1 and it’s not too bad. Right hand on the camera, left hand supports the lens.
The worst part about Sony is the pretty dreadful UI!
Plus…you need vise-grips to change the lens.
Hahaha!
Vise grips to remove the lens, and epoxy to mount a new lens 🙂
Nah, hot glue is the correct mounting method. Of course, choosing a glue that matches the color of the body is the tricky part!
I’m waiting to see it. It will be slightly bigger than NEX7. Lenses will be bigger, but the first to come seems to be a Zeiss 35mm f2.8, just a little bit bigger than the M mount version. My only “concerns” are 1 the price of the camera and 2 how it will deal with manual legacy lenses.
I trust Sony will come out with a groundbreaking camera, perhaps not for all, but still..
We’ll see.
RX1 could be so small also because the lens protrudes (don’t know if this word is correct..) into the camera and is coupled with the sensor.
Still, size is what I’d call small, compared to a FF DSLR. Bigger than a humpy OMD-Em5, but maybe smaller than a Leica. Yes, Leica are quite like small bricks.
Get a ND filter.
As far as I can remember 200 ISO is the nominal value for a sensor => when you see lower values on a camera it’s just an artificial decrement. Some “serious” cameras (as the Epson R-D1) start @ 200 ISO and I still enjoy it, even if there is not false “100” or “50” on the ISO selector.
PS : Actually ISO means nothing for a digital camera. It’s just a way to materialize the sensibility values of the sensor for “old” photographers who are experienced with film camera, giving them comparative values about a scale they already know (yes in last century the first digital shooters, as me, were mostly and first of all film camera shooters)
So we, re completely ifnoring the iso 160 and 125 to criticize the camera? Clever
The news gets more and more impressive. Can’t wait to see a shoot out with the EP-5 or OMD!!!!!!!
The black camera and the silver camera are both very decent looking too, as far as I am concerned. I like the silver band on the black model and I also LOVE that it appears that Panasonic changed the Leica branding logo to silver from gold as well. Better looking to me, but everyone has their own take on these things.
I thought that L was for Lumix?
Yeah…maybe the L does stand for Lumix…easy mistake as they have the branded lenses…probably my mistake..I think whatever it stands for though it looks better in Silver…
About the Lumix L, if you rub it often, the gold will fade into silver, it’s just a paint coat 🙂
Finally! What took so long to Panasonic make, Fuji did it in a blow.
troll
What’s extension mode that drop drop ISO to 125?
I never hesitate to use ISO125 if I need it to maintain a wider aperture. They claim there is reduced dynamic range at ISO125, but I cannot see it at all with my GH3 pictures… it is likely just a narrowing of Raw correction latitude. I really envy the 1/8000 shutter of this cam and the EP-5, which should allow for most shots down to f1.4 in bright daytime scenes. I may pick one up once they go firesale in a yr to 18 months.
thanks for your answer, i appreciate it
Is no one as stoked about the built-in gamma control? Is this like adjustable Cine gammas? Cine gammas usually have better DR and lower noise, if I’m not mistaken.
Someone is waiting for anyone to give enlightement on what gamma control means and how it can be applied first before praising or smiting 🙂
Panasonic seems to have thrown everything at the GX7. Almost seems to a be a last ditch effort – all or nothing. Almost like someone up top said….. “OK boys and girls, heres ur last chance…….”
Interesting to see how it will fair.
What of their “pro” GH3 now? GH4 coming soon?
Rangefinder-like model seems like the thing that hold prestige for mirrorless makers.
So maybe they’re holding that top-left viewfinder for time like this, the last glory when skies are dark
…or maybe they just decided to make the camera that people have been asking for.
If camera is mildly impressive -> whine about it some more.
If camera is very impressive -> just say it’s an all-or-nothing effort.
I think I like the enthusiasts better. IMO, the GX7 is simply a brilliant camera that has about all bases covered. Moreover, it is properly timed: we’re still waiting for the new Oly bodies. Hope they’ll be “all-or-nothing” as well, though.
Not many here would agree that “it’s properly timed”.””
ISO starts at 200 is so terrible
Well…terrible…I don’t like it, that is for sure. But you cna extend it to ISO 125 and you have 1/8000 s shutterspeed so it might come in handy anyways. Native ISO100 to ISO 12800 would be much nicer than the current situation.
Otoh: on paper Panasonic has done a whole lot that makes this cam so much more appealing than almost any other till now…Let’s wait and see.
Is the AA-less filter the first culmination of Fuji-Panny partnership. Does this potentially mean it is a Fuji sensor as well?
If the IBIS is as good as in the EM-5 (its not by spec, but who knows until its tested) then I might be tempted.
Being a 2 axis IBIS, it should be similar to an Oly E-PL5.
“It is also the first Panasonic camera not having an Anti Aliasing filter at all!”
That is what they mean by 10% higher resolution, while the sensor resolution is the same 16 mpix.
Another great news for GX7 .
No AA filters aka Fuji’s way .
This might be another potential Gold award winner camera in DP preview .
Looking forward to see this camera .
too expensive for a M43…..
No it isn’t! …you forgot to consider the “built-it GAMMA CONTROL”….what other camera has THAT????????
“It is also the first Panasonic camera not having an Anti Aliasing filter at all!”
Oh no.
As a fan of AA filters, I’m going to wait for reviews on this one.
“ISO starts at 200 but there is an extension mode down to ISO 125.”
Sounds like the same OM-D etc sensor.
“Battery life is 320 shots”
A little worse then E-M5 (360 shots according to imaging resource) and X-E1 (350 – DPR).
” and weight 402g (battery included).”
A little better than E-M5 (if it includes the card too), but worse than X-E1.
No breakthroughs in important things. 🙁
LOL. Battery life & weight are really the 2 most important things? More important than handling and I? Strange priorities, if you ask me.
How out of 3 important things (sensor, weight, battery life) you took that the last 2 are the MOST important? But they are definitely MUCH more important than gimmicks like WiFi and ability of disabled people with neck braces to shoot sky with a built-in viewfinder. These are compacts, they are made to be with you on your neck, not on a tripod in some studio, and after a day of walking and shooting, every gram counts (including the weight and inconvenience of extra batteries).
If being “compact” and light weight is really that important, there are far better choices than any m43 camera.
And you’re the one who said “no breakthroughs”, when the truth is that there appear to be (potentially) quite a few.
After Image Quality…
Ergonomics, user interface, external controls.
Good call.
“every gram counts (including the weight and inconvenience of extra batteries” -> there are three relevant weight categories when mobility is an issue: 200-400gr (carry anywhere), 400-600gr (fine for most people) and 600-800gr (not ideal). Items in the first category tend to be compacts with a fixed lens, making them even easier to carry in practice. Samsung and Pentax (Q) have some very light bodies and entry-level m43 bodies like the E-PM2 weigh less than 300gr.
However, for high-end mirrorless bodies like the GX-7, anything under 500gr should be considered pretty good and slightly more than 400gr is perfect. Both its features (viewfinder, IBIS) and the quality finish all add up. This baby is intended to compete with the X100s.
First, it is NOT the OM-D sensor, that one was from Sony, this one is from Panasonic.
Regarding breakthroughs, just a little list of neverbefore´s or longawaited´s in the m4/3 world:
– pocketable body with built-in viewfinder
– …AND built-in flash (most of the Pen´s can´t have both)
– 1/8000 s
– focus peaking (only in the G6 before)
– even if not as versatile as in the OM-D, the first Panasonic IBIS.
Panasonic has said the sensor in the GH3 is “theirs” as well, but that doesn’t stop people from believing it’s a Sony. The ownership of sensor design seems to be rather flexible.
And the again, what do people know? That whole thing was based on a badly translated quote that WAS REMOVED from the source and stated as fraudulent. But people will listen to some things and ignore others to their convenience
The black one it’s look like a Nex 6/7. The absence of the AA filter it’s not necessary a totally bad thing for video, if the photosensors are small enough the moire problem can be avoided as the Nikon D7100.
Actually, it looks like a cross between PEN E-PL1 and Samsung NX210. 🙂
This black one looks a lot better than silver. Nice. This is on my list of camera upgrades in the future.
Noisy shit image quality m/43
Show us your clean work please!
Hello?
I think you are noisy too.
Wow what an amazing intelligent comment
obviously you are one of the select few people that are trusted with preview samples
please could you also summarize your thoughts on the new omd
We like the challenge.
Hmm, ISO 200 starting value suggests this may be the same base sensor as the GH3/E-M5, but probably NOT the improved GH2 sensor like the G5/G6 (which starts at ISO 160). Or, it could be a completely new Panasonic sensor. But either way, at least they’re finally moving forward!
Not to veer away from all the entertaining trolling, arguments about antialiasing features, etc., but have the rumor sources said anything about the type of battery it will use? I’m hoping for the same battery as the GH3 or some other extent Panasonic camera, rather than yet-another-completely-new-battery-form-factor…
— Ranger 9
— The Guy With A Box Full of Different GH-Series Batteries Already
Given the small size of the body, and the estimated number of shots per charge, I don’t think it’s the GH3 battery. Maybe, if we’re lucky, the same as the GH2 / G3 / G6. If we’re not luckly, yet another new shape that’s incompatible with everything else.
Sorry, that was supposed to say G5, not G3, which is yet another size.
I think one reason for introducing a new camera is to sell batteries 🙂
sadly when it comes to Panasonic practise, this isn’t humour, it’s company policy.
I just want a (GOOD) in body stabilization for video and the video quality from gh3!
Knowing that it has peaking… i’m really considering buy it!
The article’s headline should have been “Got some more top info about the new 16 megapixel GX7 sensor. This has been designed by Panasonic itself”.
No GH3 Sony sensor, but likely a further development of the GH2’s dated multi-aspect 16 MP (really 18MP) sensor. Immediately its performance is highly suspect in a $1000 body.
ISO 200 isn’t great, but the GX1 base ISO is 160 so the GX7 is only 1/3 stop difference here.
Iso 200 hahhahhahahh
Im amazed at the sheer amount of imbeciles here that cant read “ISO 125 extension”
Oh wait, I forgot I was here, so no, im not that surprised.
Anyone heard anything about the Max sync speed? It’s annoying that the OM-D has a 1/250th sync speed while my GH3 is limited to a mere 1/160th. I shoot with studio strobes on location a lot and not having as much flexibility in balancing ambient without having to rely on closing aperture or lowering ISO (no ISO100, too) can sometimes be frustrating.
– Joe
It’s already listed on Adoramas mobile site- $999 for body, $1099 for kit
It’s already listed on Adoramas mobile site- $999 for body, $1099 for kit
Funky. On the regular web site, it lists two items, but nothing shows. Oooh… Ghost camera.
http://www.adorama.com/searchsite/default.aspx?searchinfo=panasonic+gx7
Here’s the mobile link.
http://m.adorama.com/newui/search.aspx?sku=IPCDMCGX7
Question- why would this shoot better video than my Nex-6?
I mean its nice to have, but I doubt the person that buys this camera, is not buying it for video.
But I doubt the person that buys this camera would buy it for video.
Pre order and press release Posted already in ep1.net
http://e-p1.net/the-rumor-bin/pre-order-the-gx7-plus-full-'press-release‘!!!/new/#new
Seems like it uses the same battery as the GH2!
What, no black bodies in the US? That sucks big time.