The Canon EOS-M
Our japanese friends at Digicaminfo (Translation here) found the full EOS-M spec list! It’s good to hear our sources were right when saying it uses an APS-C sensor. Here are the specs:
– 18 million pixels APS-C CMOS sensor
– Digic 5 image processing engine
– Hybrid CMOS AF (phase-contrast AF)
– Video Servo AF, Servo AF, AF touch
– ISO100-12800 (25.600 extension)
– shutter speed is 1/4000, bulb, flash sync is 1/200 sec to 30 seconds
– Second continuous shooting speed is 4.3 frames /
– 1.04 million dot LCD monitor 3.0-type wide, touch panel
– The media SD / SDHC / SDXC (corresponding UHS-I)
– Video is 1920×1080 30p/25p/24p, 1280×720 60p/50p, 640×480 30p/25p
– video compression MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, audio Linear PCM, MOV format
– EF lens mount adapter EF-EOS M
– Hand-held Twilight mode
– HDR mode to synthesize three different exposure
– Multi-shot noise reduction function to reduce the noise by combining the four images
– Creative filters
– The size is x 66.5mm (width) 108.6mm (height) x 32.3mm (depth)
– The weight (body only) 262g, (including battery and memory card) 298g
– Kit lens EF-M22mm STM, EF-M18-55mm IS STM
– Comes with a mount adapter and EF-EOS M 90EX Speedlite kit of some
So this EOS-M is using the Kiss X6i sensor in a camera that has the size of the Panasonic GF5. Ha….what do you think now?
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Not bad, hopefully the af speed with ef/ef-s lenses is as good as the nikon1 with adapter!
I’m still wondering that the 18-55 is not a STM lens…
Best spec on paper in mirrorless equivalent? Direct comparison could be nx and maybe x100. Nex, nikon 1, and Pentax seem so dead. Not sure how its pancake (seems <150g) compares to m43. This is combining the advantages of other system in one piece: good sensor, good lens, good brand. Price and sample/review will determine its future to me
Are you a FBoy?
How does the spec make you think that this is a direct comparison to x100 and NX, while it makes the ONE year old nex system seem dead?
A direct comparison to x100 and that kills nex? I thought they were killed by nex already. lol
The Nex is OBVIOUSLY dead as a mirrorless system because Sony never tried to develop good pancake lenses for it. What’s the point of making a thin 250g body if you have to mount a 500+g lens on it?
The X100 also have an APS sensor with a 23mm f2 lens, so the comparison is OBVIOUS.
My question sustains, How does the SPEC-wise makes the NEX system seem dead?
An OBVIOUS comparison with x100? A little info for you, the x100 has FIXED lens. So this 12MP fixed-lens camera an obvious comparisons with this 18MP interchangeable-lens camera?? Hate so say this word, but your ignorance up to the max I believe, no?
My question sustains, How does the SPEC-wise makes the NEX system seem dead?
OBVIOUS comparison with x100? A little info for you, the x100 has FIXED lens. So this 12MP fixed-lens camera an obvious comparisons with this 18MP interchangeable-lens camera?? Hate so say this word, but your ignorance up to the max I believe, no?
The Canon EOS-M with the 22/2 prime lens has almost the same specs as the X100. So they are obviously contenders. If you cannot understand this you are dumb.
@mrtritium
What spec are the same if you can mention any?
The lens? it’s fixed lens vs interchangeble lens – 9blades vs 7blades
What else? the sensor? 18mpix vs 12 mpix
video recording 720p vs 1080p
ISO : 200-6400 vs 100-12800
Dimension ?
Price ?
What else?
Where is the similarity? where is the OBVIOUS CONTENDER?
Why do I have a feeling I was replying to a teenager-and a not too educated one :/
I am someone who sold canon 500d to buy m43 Panasonic gf1 with 20/1.7. I am mirrorless fanboy.
X100 has comparable lens and sensor. Eos m could have vf later who knows. X100 can’t change lens and it’s priced a bit high
Nx has comparable sensor and pancake, but the brand doesnt sound mature compared to canon
Nex has good brand in point shoot and sensor, but if they don’t come up with better lens (only god lens costs 1k+ with huge size?), their system would just become their old brothers alpha line in dslr segment vs canon/nikon
Nice the apples versus oranges comparison, as the X100 is a completely different kind of camera.
If you want to compare this future camera with the one from Fuji, why not to take the X Pro-1 instead and declare its end also?!
nice!
I think the Canon way into mirrorless segment is more stringent than Nikon’s: No fear about cannibalism here. Same IQ as low end DSLR. Let the customer decide mirrorless or not – the IQ will be there any way.
Key issue now is lens quality (+performance)
And of course price, need to be like NEX-C3.
This will not be on my shopping list, but maybe the upcoming high end version.
Good news for Canon-invested photographers who have been thinking of adding a mirrorless camera for portability; otherwise, kind of a snooze-fest.
Obviously Canon isn’t really making a commitment to mirrorless; they see this camera as just a gap-filler in their product empire.
Kind of a snooze-fest – nicely worded, and appropriately.
Still would love to hear for sure:
– flash built-in or a clip-on thingy somewhere in the box?
– monitor swinging?
Why not tell me?
Had hoped canon would solve my M43 quibbles, but nah, they won’t.
The Panny GX-1 has more extensive controls and better User Interface than entry level Nikons. I’m constantly amazed at how great this camera is to operate (with top notch IQ for its sensor size, too).
I think Canon is going to test how is the beginner DSLR market reacting to this product. What I am thinking is that she is trying to kill 6XXD and the descendant. I am really feeling ambiguous because I am quite confident to its image quality (I own 60D) especially it is equipped with Digic V engine meanwhile I love my NEX-5N’s swivel LCD screen. If EOS M really does a better job on jpg and RAW I may shift to it totally because I have EF lenses and flash to use that no need an EF to NEX adapter.
The lack of vf and external controls means this is not meant to replace the rebel series, IMO.
What about a viewfinder?
This would make the first mirrorless cam ever that offers full TTL flash function via wireless (radio) connection. A major plus!
If the shutter is decent, I will get one.
Olympus micro-4/3 cameras also support wireless TTL flash.
Radio wireless with full TTL?
Yes, Vitek. Olympus is the first. Even the E-PL2 already got this function by using the built-in flash and it is a complete system with group and channel control. I don’t accept m4/3 because its relative small sensor size. It is really pity I think.
I think it is a NEX-5 2 years late. The hybrid AF has shown to be pretty average at best (although does offer better compatibility with non-CDAF lenses). No EVF option, no tilt display, only 4 fps (not that it needs to be huge), very limited control on the body. Huge kit lens and single prime (though admittedly more useful to me than the Sony 16mm).
I though Canon were using the extra breathing room to do something truly unique, instead they have done what Sony did 2 years ago! Hell Samsung are 2 years ahead of this. It is a total snooze fest. They have not brought 1 new thing to the table with this. And if you think Canon are going to be streaming out lenses for this, take a look at Nikon and their 1 series, how many lenses have they released for that since launch?
Canon have no real interest in this camera system, it is just so they have one on the shelf next to the other mirrorless models.
Though I’m biased, I like ALL camera brands, except Canon.
Canon APS-C owners have been waiting 10 years for more primes. I would expect the same with this mount too.
I agree. Their aps c line up of lenses has sucked big time. But then again, their full frame ones are also from the jurassic era. I see this as an opportunity to come up with a handful of sensible lenses for aps c, at least if the 35mm pancake is a hint of whats to come, we can have hopes…
Why didn’t Nikon do something like this instead of the Ashton Kutcher fashion cam 1? I’ve never been a Canon fan, but this looks promising. Needs TiltyScreen!
The more info i see on this new system, the more i’m liking it. Nikon completely missed the boat with the tiny sensor, sony has shown complete inability to bring small fast primes, and keeps on churning plastic, goofy looking bodies and zooms, fuji had a great concept but failed in execution…what are we left with? Canon eos m and micro four thirds. There is where the battle is going to be, at least until the other manufacturers can up their game. If canon comes up with 3 or 4 well thought lenses in the next year or so, the gap with m43 will be closed in terms of available lenses – lets be honest, m43 has a bunch of lenses available, but only a handful that excite enthusiasts, and people reading the rumor sites are enthusiasts, so at least FOR US thats what matters.
Lets say canon brings a 24mm equivalent 2.8 pancake, a 50mm equivalent 1.8 pancake and a 90mm equivalent 1.8 smallish prime, and maybe a couple of zooms in the near future, and they will have a strong contender already, at least for people like me, travel and pj and street photogs. They certainly do not need 20 lenses to be in the ballpark to compete head to head with the other systems.
For someone that has criticized others for making too many assumptions about this system based on the first body you sure are making a lot of assumptions based on 1 prime lens.
Canon makes a lot money but selling tons of low end SLRs. They are probably going to follow the same strategy for mirrorless. I expect the next lenses will be a telephoto kit lens and superzoom.
Hopefully we will see a higher end body and lenses soon but it could be a couple of years or more before you see the primes you want. Canon is going to satisfy the desires of the mass consumer market first. Their system does not have to be so good those of us that already own a mirrorless system will switch to succeed. It just has to be good enough that people who want better image quality than their cell phone can provide will buy it instead of NEX or m43.
You forgot Samsung nx series, good pancake, one small zoom, but body on the high price side. If canon sells very well, soon there will be Tamrom and sigma lenses (fast bright zoom and prime) and with the canon EF adapter, you already have a full load of lenses. Hope the canon have some sort of focus peaking.
I think that Nikon will come out with an APSC mirrorless in the end, but hopefully a more advanced one, with mre controls, like the Nex-7.. The question s hw much time that would take them to go there.
I’m not that sure of that…they should have been developing that in parallel to the 1 series in order to arrive in a timely manner…you just can’t come up with a new camera SYSTEM in 6 months. Maybe in 2 years…but then…what can they do to gain market share? At that point most users would have chosen their mirrorless system and INVESTED on it…
You expect Nikon to develop yet another mount?! Forget it. Abandoning CX would send a clear signal that they’re fickle about mirrorless, and that would kill sales of any new mirrorless mount. Sticking with CX and trying to develop another mount in parallel would mean that they’re going to have to spend twice the effort in lens development as everyone else to field a competitive system, not to mention that they’d be starting from the back of the pack. That’s also a losing proposition. So Nikon has to stick with CX and try to play to its potential strenghts (mainly try to make small, fast lenses). I don’t think it will be much of a success for them because bigger sensor compacts like the RX100 will eat their lunch, but it’s their best hope.
Ashton Kutcher toy cam is pricey just like Pentax’ toy cam.
I hope Nikon bring out an aps-c pdaf/cdaf cam like this with AFS adapter and flash in the bundle; just like Canon. For sure I’ll buy one – I have lots of great Nikkor glass to use with a discrete little cam like this.
People here is so quick to dismiss this SYSTEM without even knowing whats the lenses roadmap like or how the camera performs at all.
This is Canon guys. They have the resources and the experience and the user base to make waves in possibly any market they enter. If they can avoid sony mistake of big slow lenses, fuji’s mistake of slow af and general operational problems, and can come up with a few well thought primes and an enthusiast oriented body in the next months they could have a winner. For what we have here i think the eos m is going to be interesting. They potentially have the best of all mirrorless systems: aps-c sensor, small body, a fast normal pancake to boot, elegant body that does not pay homage to history but that doesn’t pretend to change well established ergonomics or ways of operating a camera in a pseudo star trek way, possibly a fast hybrid af system that has the speed and tracking capabilities of phase detection but doesn’t suffer from the problems of back and front focusing of dslrs, and yes, a sensible selection of video modes too! What’s not to like? It sounds like check mate to me if they can show this will be a system that will accomodate enthusiasts needs (evf, tactile controls, fast primes) in the near future. They have the reputation, and proven track record of serious systems, and they are leveraging that here – no surprises, a known sensor and processor, no nonsense approach to menus and general operation of the camera.
As for this particular body, i like it. Like a gf1 body mated with the guts of a sony nex and the control layout of the canon s series. If its sensibly priced i see a winner here. My gf1 was sold a few months ago, and a replacement with aps c sensor, 35mm equivalent pancake prime and canon badge would suit me well.
Agrees!
The coming high end camera COULD be what Fuji could not achieve with the X-Pro1.
Looks like a stepping-stone kind of camera to me… gauge the reaction then decide how much effort to put into a more advanced body. Lack of external controls and EVF are obviously the big drawbacks so far, but the hybrid AF is promising (first time on an APS-C sensor?) and that pancake lens will be a total home run if the IQ is good. It comes down to 2 things in my opinion: 1. How much the camera costs (by all rights should be around $600 tops but not holding my breath) and 2. How much the EF adapter costs/how big it is. It thankfully won’t need to be a giant, expensive monstrosity like the Sony LA-EA2 (won’t need a mirror or motor), but Canon is effectively free to charge us whatever they want. They could make a HUGE marketing coup by pricing it at around $100 or even offering it in the kit with the body. Not gonna happen, but a man can dream.
Two concerns I have: 1. The drawing of the EF adapter made it look very thin, which makes me wonder if they’ve designed the flange distance to be too large for certain legacy lenses. And 2. I am not a fan at all of the 7D sensor, which seems a first glance to be what they’ve stuck in this camera.
I have a 7d. Its sensor is not state of the art anymore, but certainly capable enough, particularly compared to micro four thirds offerings, which i believe are the strongest competitors, at least thinking in terms of the enthusiast market. Lets be honest, we are basically discussing about packing key parts of the guts of a 7d camera (sensor, processor) in a body the size of a gf1! How could that be a bad thing is beyond me…
You are a Canon cocksucker!!
Read your Canon gospel.
Dont think Canon is going to sell some G1X now.
The kitprice with the ef-m 22 will likely be $699 or more.
Bring on the same specs in a body with EVF and more external buttoms, and I will replace my Oly e-pl2 and still keep my 5d.
Looking forward to Fotokina and a ef-m lens roadmad.
The G1X was dead on arrival. The concept was ok, but the camera failed to excite anyone – most people knew Canon was coming with a mirrorless system in a few months, so why invest in it. The lens was slow, the AF was “meh”. If it have had killer performance and, say a 24-70 2.8 equivalent lens or something like that, with a built in evf, the story could have been different, but as it is…it brings nothing new to the table.
I may be wrong but… Doesnt goung with this sensor size interchangeable lens that the lens sizes will be basically ‘big’ due to physics? So pocketability or edge sharpness will be out the window? Isnt that the NEX system downfall ? I dont want a small cam with a big regular size 18-55 hanging on it.
so it is a terribly unergonomic body with a severely outdated sensor, claiming phase AF that will only work with specific canon lenses (all the speed of CDAF, without the accuracy), and boasting features literally ripped out of a NEX? this is a knock off of the NEX, but 2 years later, and designed to be as unergonomic as possible. No articulating screen? Are you joking me? How anyone even uses a mirrorless camera without an articulating screen is beyond me and shows that they are willing to cut corners in terms of usability for aesthetics. knowing how Canon supports their lenses, you won’t get anything good APS-C ever. they are using their adapter idea to sell the camera, which won’t work with this PDAF system they have (only their new STM lenses or w/e will), putting it leagues behind the LA-EA2 adapter.
yawn
Everything is relative. Your “severely outdated” sensor performance is the wet dream of most micro four thirds users. The terribly unergonomic body takes hints of the panny gf1 and canon’s own s-series of cameras, which have been for quite a few years the landmark of design on “serious small body” cameras.
I don’t think it is a ripoff of the nex system. If anything, this looks as Canon as it gets to me. Correct, the sensor is APS-C and the size of the body is small…apart from that, what is sooo NEX? I don’t see the NEX futuristic design or plastic look.
While flip screen would be great…again…the GF1 did not have that, and that didn’t prevent it from being a great enthusiast camera.
i don´t see why people are complaining about NEX´s plastic looks, just take a NEX 5 or 7 then and you get magnesium alloy looks. mhh otherwise i see some more similarities to the NEX release: NEX was initially released as 2 models(cheap+mid end) with a 16mm pancake and a 18-55 zoom, looks like a pretty similar lineup to me. the question is just: will the 22mm be an equally mediocre lens as the 16mm is 😉
Canon’s PDAF on sensor is very slow. Here is a video of the 650D in live view using a new STM lens. The 650D has the same sensor as this mirrorless from Canon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0BvlNyQB8E&feature=youtu.be
I just think that the om d m5 is here for month and have a big advance!
No 1920×1080 50p/60p video mode… wow even Sony can handle that 😉
Would like to see a telezoom attached to this body with such a tiny hand grip …
Wonder if this camera won’t struggle with the short flange distance
i think canon’s entry to mirrorless can only be a good thing for m43. like others have mentioned mirrorless isn’t on the radar yet for big dept stores like walmart, best buy, etc in the US. but now that canon is involved, it will be. that means eventually mft cams will start showing up in the big stores and in the casual shoppers mindshare.
Canon would of needed to launch with 4 plus models to compete against Micro Four Thirds who have about 10+ models available in most online stores and 6+ models in most bricks and mortar.
The design (not quite different/attractive enough in the eyes of potential p&s upgraders) and the larger lenses will not effectively target the growing female photographer market (after all it is most females who purchase compacts).
It looks like the additional flash is not bundled nor is the screen tilt and/or swivel, also lack of external controls and accessories!
Consumers who have had their fingers burnt with the Nikon 1 system will not be attracted to the new Canon mirrorless either…
I also imagine that the new Canon mirrorless will not be attractively priced…
I can only see this camera “selling in” relatively well to the Canon faithful in anglo saxon type markets ie mostly in the USA, with moderate success in the UK and maybe Australia, Switzerland etc
I see this launch as actually doing a favour to Oly and Panny…
Hmmm… I don’t see how this is better than a NEX-5N which has a superior sensor, higher FPS, tilt screen and the ability to use the best EVF in the business?
Two lenses (of which we know nothing of their performance) does not make a system. How this adapts EF / EF-S lenses in the interim will be interesting with the hybrid AF, but an adapter is going to add significant depth plus size of the lenses themselves.
Really need to see a road map for their EF-M lenses.
Good to see Canon joining the party although its unappealing to me, they will get into their stride soon. Wish they would spend some more money on their sensor development though, Sony and Nikon have a clear advantage there and have had for some time.
So where is the view finder?
Micro four thirds did not spring from the womb with 10 bodies and 25 lenses. It started with the G1 and a few lenses. Given time the Canon system could fill out enough to surpass m43. Canon has enough resources to keep developing it even if m43 outsells it right now.
I know a lot of people (of both sexes) that do not understand or care about the technical aspects of photography. They just want better pictures than they can get from their cell phones. Right now they tend to buy an SLR with a couple of lenses or one superzoom type lens, set the mode dial to the green full auto position and take pictures. And they do get much better pictures than they would from a cell phone. I had a woman email me some pictures she took of her dog playing in the snow last winter. She does not know or care that it was the PDAF system that allowed the camera to focus quickly enough, the large sensor that produced the low noise and rich color depth or that the camera chose a high shutter speed and wide aperture to freeze the action and blur the background. She just knows she has some really good pictures of her dog her cell phone could never had taken. I know a lot of guys at work with expensive SLRs that never leave full auto mode too. These people outnumber us enthusiasts by huge margin and do not care about a bunch of extra controls or accessories they will never use.
If the Canon can focus quickly, has the same image quality as their APS-C SLRs and has a good full auto mode it will probably sell very well, just not to us. Given time Canon will probably introduce high end bodies and lenses for enthusiasts but the current model will be everything a lot of people need or want. People in camera forums tend to forget we are a small minority and the world does not revolve around us.
Hands-on video (Italian)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPyhM2x9gT8
There’s a video on canonrumors showing a mic jack. That’s a huge plus for me. Only other thing I want is HD crop mode like the t3i.
“Ha….what do you think now?”
I think that it has no viewfinder.
I guess its about brand preference now. Canon, Sony, Nikon, Samsung, m43, Fuji and Pentax with the tiny sensor.
I’m using an E-P3 with the pancake 20mm pancake lens, I get very good low light capability plus in body stabilization. IMO, best compromise of portability, low light, decent quality.
At least it has a superior pop up flash unlike all the canon pro full frames!
Yawn…