If you own the very laud Sony A7r than you may be really interested how much more silent the new A7rII shutter is. Check out the video above!
And two readers from UK confirmed that they will get their A7rII preorder from Wex UK on July 30 already! Damn lucky guys those brits! But hey, there is no sun there so let them enjoy the camera as first 🙂
A7rII preorder list:
In USA: at Amazon, BHphoto, Adorama, SonyStore US, FocusCamera, Uniquephoto.
In Europe at Sony DE, UK, FR, IT, ES, NL, BE, CH, AT, SE, FI, NO, PT. Wex UK.
In Asia at Digitalrev, CameraPro.
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Not to bad for a 3200.00 dollar shutter.
If there is one component that, could be ‘blamed’ for the notable price increase over previous A7 series cameras, then it would be the unique BSI Full Frame sensor, so I find it a bit unfair to call it a $3k shutter.
True, but at 500k shutter life expectation- even if it was the shutter- I think that’s fair. I mean, 500k! Pretty impressive. I just wonder if the rest of the camera can hold up that long.
based on my experience and many photographer friends I have, on those 100k or 200k canon nikon pro bodies, most of them upgrade their camera before any kind of function went wrong, some might change the shutter in the middle, I have a friend using a D700 for many years and changed the shutter TWICE, many small cracks and wears on the body but everything still works
It also has new IBIS and new EVF
I find pretty similar to Contax G
sounds promising
Pah – plenty of sunshine here this week in the UK 😛 LOL
Hopefully the early purchasers are big on online reviews. I rented the 5DS this last week for a commercial shoot that required 40+ MP. The camera is really nice and the DR is a little better than the older 5d series. The 50 MP with a sharp lens (I used a 17mm t/s) really looks fantastic. However, if it were not for the 50MP file output, It seemed like a 5dIII with firmware upgrade. I did not do any challenging auto focus. Mostly manual focus of the t/s. I’m looking forward to trying the Sony EVF and manual focus. The Canon live view magnify focus is OK for indoors…but nearly impossible outside on a sunny day
I also rented a 5dsr for a shoot
I was very dissapointed with it.
For macro in good lighting it was really good…for perfectly lighted nonchallenging situations it was good…for anything else it was terrible.
Low light, high iso…terrible
Tracking autofocus…totally useless
Bright direct sunlight…poor dynamic range, shadows good but highlights totally washed out
Focus accuracy..very unreliable.
I usesd 5dsr with sigma 150-600 sport lens with sony a77ii and tamron 150-600 as backup…the few good shots I got were much better than the a77ii, but I got far too few keepers.
Halfway through the week long shoot I sent the Canon back early and finished the shoot with the Sony.
I cant wait for my a7rii to arrive as I am 100% certain it will outperform the 5dsr.
Korean times newspaper is currently saying that Sony will soon outsell all otherff cameras, includind Canon and Nikon, meanwhile Canon is reporting profits down 16%.
I agree, I had a hard time pulling in some highlights. The 50MP is the only selling point for someone not wanting the expense of Medium Format. If this was the upgrade for the 5Diii, One would be very disappointed. Basically I felt this was a 2010 camera with more megapixels. I think canon should have developed a sensor WITH Sony and really make an impact. I’m also looking forward to a new a99 and see what happens
The sensor was developed in 2007, and announced by Canon in 2010 as a sidenote during the press release for the 210mp apsc sensor.
That is true.I think the 5ds is an excellent camera, like you said, for the person in a controlled environment. Most landscape shooters control the times of day they shoot for optimal image. Very good for landscape shooters too. However, I do Architectural shoots on location. Many different factors. Lighting, windows, reflective surfaces, lack of lighting, etc. Although I will use lights when needed, very large spaces (think warehouse, factories, Hospitals, etc) require me to manipulate the light that is available. Thus, the need to have a camera that is quite versatile. This is where Dynamic Range comes in. i cannot always light the back row of warehouse containers toward top of building on a large elevator shelf. Even if house lights are very bright. I need to pull up those dark areas in post to show a smidge of depth and detail. Currently with my Canons, I have to take an overblown exposure and copy and paste that small area and blend. Bring up shadows or dodge the deep dark areas….you get massive noise and banding with just the smallest of slider move. Or I rent a medium Format Pentax system (Sony Sensor). The 5Ds would have been a barn burner if it just had the Sony sensor system with expanded DR. I don’t care about FPS or other fast moving subjects. Thats not what the 5DS is for anyway.
If I owned the 5Ds, most of the time i would be shooting Medium Raw (28MP). Most of my commercial shoots do not require such high MP count anyway. So basically no reason to switch to a 5Ds from a 5Diii.
I have my fingers crossed about the a7rii. Heck my second generation RX100 has better DR than the 5D system
I shot about 100 shots of male Ruddy Ducks in bright light…perfect conditions for a Sony camera.
Every one of them have white beaks…
If you are not familiar with male Ruddy Ducks thier beaks are just about the brightest most intense light blue found in nature!
Canon can just use Sony fabs to make their designed sensors
Sony already does the manufacturing of the sensors anyway using canon guidelines. I honestly believe Canon got caught with their pants down on this thinking we will just do a minor update to the 5dii and 1dx and the pros will buy it (which is true). However, this is the first time I’ve heard Canon pros on various forums and in person talk about switching. The fact that pros can transistion using their excellent Canon L glass is a back factor.
>Sony already does the manufacturing of the sensors anyway using canon guidelines
evidence?
yes. Sony manufactures all Canon camera sensors. The DSLRs are manufacturing only. Plus Sony pretty much designs AND builds Canon’s P&S sensors (Canon P&S have really good DR BTW). Canon is really big on their own sensor design for their DSLR’s for some reason. I just think Canon can still have their own footprint (much like Nikon) on their DSLR sensors using Sony framework. For me, canon’s biggest impact is their glass. I think their glass is second to none and they should place their egg in that basket and the mechanical designs of their bodies.
evidence that Sony manufactures canon dslr sensors?
I was wrong about the 5ds
http://photorumors.com/2015/02/06/the-new-50mp-sensor-inside-the-canon-eos-5ds-camera-is-not-made-by-sony/
I saw a review site that stated such but it was wrong.
I agree. In a studio environment with linear structure and smooth, limited tonal and colour graduations it looks really good. But otherwise, almost everything looks rough to problematic. I would actually say it’s a dog of a camera in some situations.
A little bit too much exaggeration in my opinion. Tracking “totally useless” or Sony to soon outsell all others (Canikon have 75-80% market share right now), this still takes some time. Maybe they meant for Korea.
The Korean newspaper made the comment, I am just repeating it.
I spent a week shooting birds in flight…. and I can absolutely assure you that my claim that tracking autofocus on this camera is totally useless is not an exageration.
All the many good reviews of this camera have been done with carefully controlled conditions…the camera excells at carefully controlled conditions and will give excellent results in perfect conditions.
I did not pamper my camera and used it in much more demanding conditions…it simple does not perform well in demanding conditions.
The a77ii could not come close to matching tje 5dsr in good conditions, bit in demanding conditions it outperformed the 5dsr.
The say Sony _aims_ to sell more than Canikon. Furthermore they write “The electronics maker said it aims to top
the gross lens-interchangeable camera market, which includes mirror-less
and digital single-lens reflex (DSLR) cameras, for the first time this
year. […] As the sales ratio of mirror-less cameras
has exceeded that of DSLR cameras since 2013, Sony has improved its
market presence in the gross lens-interchangeable camera market.” I doubt that, but who knows.
A scathing review of the 5DSr.
Barry, you should post this review on a Canon message board, it would start a firestorm. LOL
I can’t
I said good things abought the a7rii and am now banned from Canonwatch.
They are extremely unaccepting of any comment except Canon is great
I haven’t had a opportunity to use the 5DSr, but the studio portrait samples look incredible. Obviously the 5DSr does not suit your photography needs. Others have highly praised it.
I agree…in a studio environment with good photo technique the results from this camera are incredible.
But the camera is totally unforgiving of anything less.
I do not control my photographic environment and require my camera to photograph whatever I put in front of it…the 5dsr simply cannot do that.
I have also grown used to evf…where the image I see actually looks like the photo my camera will take.
With the ovf the image I see is very differrent from the picture the camera takes…resulting. in very few keeper shots, and many missed opportunities.
I bet you’ve never touched a Canon DSLR in your life and I doubt you could even afford an A7r ii.
“..the few good shots I got were much better than the a77ii”…..
can you elaborate on that? i’ve been using a77ii with sony zeiss 75-400mm lens for wildlife photos and got many great shots. curious how canon does better.
Tje 5dsr has more mp thsn the a77ii so thre image is much sharper when everything comes out good.
The a77ii is much more able to get the shot though..
A77ii has
Better focus accuracy
Better able to track moving subjects…in fact Canon was not able to track at all…..if bird was moving no more than 1 shot of a burst would be sharp, and usually none.
Better highlights on a77ii, Canon has trrible dynamic range, in sunlight shadows were ok bit highlights were non existant.
If you want a high res camera het the new a7rii when it comes out.
thanks. that’s what i thought. been happy with a77ii for wildlife and looking forward to shoot with a7rii
I would be more interested to hear what it sounds like in the “silent mode” ie. whether or not it is completely silent…..
Ehm, yes it will be. It is called ‘silent shutter’ because it is silent. It is not unique. A number of cameras have it.
P.S. and all mobile phones, by the way )
I made the very first reservation for an A7RII at my pro retailer. Usually he gets early deliveries.
Hopefully I am with the camera as lucky as with my Batis 25 today. 🙂
how’s the 25??
My first impression is that it’s absolutely great – unfortunately I didn’t had much time today for extensively playing with it.
AF on the A7II is quite fast. I set the steady shot to manual and 25mm, and some shots at 1/10s were tack sharp, for longer times I am not inert enough.
Haptic is very apealingand the focus ring is very smooth.
I like the OLED quite much, but I am asking myself about the sense when shooting handheld.
I will have lot more time to play with it on Saturday.
Very cool. Interested in your opinion as I am trying to figure out if it will be worth the extra $800 over the Sony 28mm
Dont delete my post
I like your new messaging style, with short concise sentences. Now if you only had something rational to say. SMH
Everyone report this admin
and the routine here
tyt
however long it takes
I wilI start in a few weeks once im ready or whatever
Or whatever.
More like never.
Why not ask Sony also? The maker of our gear.
Empty threats by a psychotic loser.
I see you aren’t trying to make it seem you are in fact my friends anymore.
This will be the attempted take down
enough is enough
stop!
the parasites absurdly protect their host, remember that everyone.
There is nothing absurd with parasites protecting their host. It is their home and food. Host protecting parasites would be absurd.
Better stick to undecipherable sentences, because they conceal your logic, if anything.
You are parasites, and the pretence of protecting me is like the double talk of gov. In fact you are protecting only your own interests and show how you are now an enemy of all mine.
Simple, give us secure login and stop punishing the real people. Or stop punishing the real people otherwise, and by selectively allowing abuse.
STFU!
Sounds like my a7II, identical, like a kitten sneeze.
What about the silent mode?
Any reports of US shipments? BH? They are pretty big sellers?
Confirmed order within 1 minute of launch, no shipping notification from BH yet.
I thought I somewhat knew them, with what they do, I don’t anymore, I am honestly surprised. I’m going to use every legal means I can to stop them engaging with my life. I was only friends of a sort with one accepting and they didn’t do wrong, but all they do now is wrong, its shocking and I will stop them. This is what to expect from them so I advise the same, lets just use all legal means to shut them out of our lives on a personal and social level if we must. Right? 🙂
had mushrooms and LSD for breakfast or what are these strange voices in your head?
Go to a psychatrist, dude…
Don’t mock me. First I will be contacting the police to my potential detriment most of all, but to stop you. You are lower than scum. Now you will be treated as the cause you are and not allowed as the solution.
check this here:
http://bfy.tw/11v8
diminishing an individual made vulnerable by the worst bs of society for realizing your groups anonymous politicizing interests, stupid, attacking that individuals greatest interests with pretence they will only make it worse by stopping you, evil.
You deserve to be mocked.
I don’t deserve any of this bs to deal with, that’s exactly it, and I will none the less, in fact this way, people get some idea of what I have to deal with. Its really not the forums fault, its yours, its your personal blame, if you introduce other people we don’t even ‘know’ it will go on to another level.
Don’t take the remarks on this message board too seriously, if you need help with your personal issues you should seek it out. I wish you well.
I’m avoiding ‘help’ as I am right now. I have never needed it have I, and yet I am still human. You are provoking a sort of help sometimes described as the greatest sort of evil- and in that same form yourselves, T.S. Eliot “Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.” and thus suggesting for you society is explicitly most evil (to you) and not implicitly, knowingly (to you) and not unknowing: you know ( and have no parallel), yet you do that (with no parallel from me) , I know but i number in the group of few in worlds population with that knowledge and avoided this at all costs perfectly well- till now and what you will do to ruin my life henceforth. A lot of people now understand this too. And of course, you don’t. You politicals only understand your political interests at the end of the day, that’s why mine have been jetisoned, that and the fact I explicated photography? the greatest single discovery I have made? and only recently, still, of the three years, two have been of the worst yet and this last, third one will be the last one thankfully, I will end your misconduct by targeting the source: you are acting in your interests and not mine, you are a threat to mine existentially and a lot of people know, and frankly understand all too well, at least this.
Now you’re making threats. You do know that threatening people on the internet is a felony, right?
Wtf how is this bot not banned yet?
Are you kidding me?
Mods? Admin?
Hello?!
You are not posting images from your Sony cams, I am.
the voices are saying you should get a canon 5dsr so go post your comments on canon rumors site.
Before mocking him why nobody asked him what he was talking about and what was the connection between what he wrote and the topic on this SAR post… I rather think he replied directly on disqus interface to the comment from another site without noticing he was typing a comment in SAR…
That’s an interesting criticism sandwich which also makes me to be sentient, however, ‘yes boss’ upvoter proves its you as usual.
The one for Ivan Kut-sar-ov. And indeed its your ongoing presence in my IP and such that contributes greatly along with inferences made threateningly across both. That I wish to end. I am the one threatened and I am going to act regards that.
He’s likely mentally ill, don’t talk to him, this only makes his condition worse.
wrong title.
its a7r II vs a7r
Where are the reviews of this camera? It’s shipping, for goodness sake! I’m absolutely mystified as to why there are no full reviews at this stage?
I’d rather say they are twice lucky… To get their camera so early and if A7RII is better weather sealed, they will have greater conditions to take pics than under full sun;)
That is a huge difference, very noticable.
I have to get myself an A mount FF. So what to do- should I just sell off my M43 gear and go FE and A mount? Sell the FE camera and just ride out the A storm and M43 for small stuff? Son of a…I have to ditch a system here man. It’s driving me crazy.
I could sell the A7- it’s ok, but I know that A7II upgrade is in my future. I’m not shelling out the 700 bucks in the exchange though. I dig those loxia lenses- I could just go loxia and keep my A mount gear. Hmm, I dig that Zeiss Contax G stuff- could do some film with it too. Can’t do that with M43 lenses. Hmmm.
Loxia would give me all manual on one end and all Zeiss A mount on the other. Oh man, then I have to ditch that sexy EP5 I have. Can’t ditch that EP5- but what about my poor MD lenses man. Ain’t right using that glass on a tiny sensor.I can’t ditch my A77II though- love that camera. Have to get that 18-35mm 1.8 sigma- such a sweet lens, it’s like a bag of Nikkors wrapped all up. Nah, maybe I should skip that and just get the Sigma Art 35mm 1.4. I could always switch the mount out if Sony A mount kicks the bucket. Heck, for 1400 I could buy the 85 and 24 Zeiss primes- that’s the price of just one Zeiss lens in FE. Depreciation avoided. Ah man, but the FE glass is so small. Dang, 24-70 only 7 blades and 35mm 2.8 slow. They have that Mino. 35mm F2 with 9 blades- dang still 8 bills?!! Nah, can’t do that.
Ahhh…the voices in my head!!!!
I think I’ve come to a decision. I’m selling the A7 and kit lens. I’ll put the rest of my minolta MD glass on ebay. A couple things:
1) The MD glass kind of sucks. The bokeh is horrendous and the pictures are flat as “you know what.” It also flairs like crazy. I do like the build quality- it will be missed. I’m done with the adapter stuff. Contax G sounds good in my head, but I just know I’ll be dissapointed in the end. It’s a stop gap and I’m done with detours.
2) I’m going to make an even trade back over to an a900 with a 3 year warranty. The cost of the A900 and the A77II I have are less than the price of an a7II- and they are more functional.
3) I’m giving up low light abilities- F it.
4) I can now buy the 24 and 85 Zeiss A mount to complete my Zeiss line up. The cost of the Zeiss lenses is less than the freaking Batis by itself.
It has to happen man, it has to happen. I’m not giving up my EP5 and I refuse to stop rocking A mount glass like the beercan and secret handshake. For mirror less M43 has me covered enough. FOLKS I”M GOING DOWN WITH THE A MOUNT SHIP. Someone pass me a bucket.
Would you like to have a camera to shoot film with E or m43 lenses?
I have a minolta 7000- I’m going to upgrade to one of the later model ones. I might also pick up an old MD minolta SRT since I have all the lenses now. Honestly, I shoot medium format anyway and I enjoy that much more.
Sounds like the other a7 cameras, still loud and noisy. At least it has electronic shutter. But is there still the reduced RAW limitation and banding under certain lighting with silent shutter?