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New 90mm FE macro lens reviews at LL and Mirrorlessons.

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Luminous Landscape says:

The 90mm Macro that just started shipping is nothing short of exceptional.  Yes, some folks may claim it is too big and some may even claim too expensive at $1098 USD.  But for the price you get a solid really well designed lens that is dust and moisture resistant.

Mirrorlessons says:

As Yasuyuki Nagata (Sony General Manager – Lens and Peripheral Business) stated in an interview with us at Photokina, consumers are looking for three things from their lenses – compactness, quality and a good price – and with a full-frame sensor, it isn’t easy to deliver on all three fronts. In the case of the 90mm, Sony has prioritised optical quality and performance above all, and it shows in the resulting images.

Now the question is, should I buy the 90mm Sony macro or the 85mm Batis lens? Damn it…

90mm links:
In USA at Amazon, Adorama, BHphoto, [shoplink 37938 ebay]eBay US (Click here)[/shoplink].
In Europe at [shoplink 37991 ebay]Fotomundus[/shoplink], Amazon Germany, Sony Germany, Sony UK, Sony FR, Sony IT, Sony ES, Sony NL, Sony BE, Sony AT, Sony CH, Sony SE, Sony FI, Sony NO, Sony PT.
In Asia at Digitalrev, Sony Australia.

Preorder links:
Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8 lens in US at Adorama, Bhphoto. In Eu at Amazon DE, WexUK. In Asia at Digitalrev.
Zeiss Batis 25mm f/2.0 lens at Adorama, Bhphoto. In EU at Amazon DE, WexUK. In Asia at Digitalrev.
In Europe and Asia the Loxias can be found in Stock via [shoplink 36456 ebay]eBay sellers (Click here)[/shoplink] and Digitalrev (Click here).

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    1. I’d prefer the Batis and just keep using the Raynox macro attachment on my FE 55/1.8 via a step down ring.

      Unless you’re a dedicated Macro shooter, this is a pile of cash.

  1. I have tested this lens on my a6000. I had some fantastic results doing macro and close-ups (within a meter), and really good results from one meter to some three-four meters. Past four meters (might have been there at closer distances as well but less visible), at least on my a6000 and with my lens, there was quite a bit of unshapness off center all up until f10, and at that aperture another strange effect started showing. It looked like some sort of “halo” where the softness (blur) was prior to f10. The “halo” showed at the edges of the previous blur-edges. The blur gradually got less noticeable when stopping down (at least until f10 where the “halo” began being noticeable).
    Testing was (not scientific) done at some 4 meters. Shutter was 500th @ 2.8 and declining to 80th at f10 (so I dont suspect camera shake unless my a6000 disabled OSS due to some criteria I dont know exist).

    Overall I felt that my a6000 was not able to cope with the amount of information / sharpness as good as I had hoped in Macro, and then this strange blur/halo-thing made me return the lens as I felt it would also not fair too good as portrait / 90/135mm.

    Will probably buy again if upgading to FF, but I just wanted to share my experience with anyone on a6000 (aps-C) hoping this is “the one”. It might be me or my a6000 (could be something in firmware or some other oddballish thing), but at least now you know I found the lens to be less than ideal on my a6000.

    Anyone interrested may take a look at the sample images:
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/caegear/sets/72157653224310543

    1. Its interesting there is ca, but that could be because of the enlargement of using on APSC too, the blur/halo looks interesting regards portrait and rendering, as could some minor ca even I think: i’m basically guessing so far, as I haven’t even seen anything medium range shot from it to find out 🙂
      Could the 90mm be some kind of bokeh master :I

    2. I was shooting a wedding and tried this lens on A7s couple weeks ago. The lens is spectacular at macro and short distances, however shots beyond 5m up to infinity all ended up a bit soft. Sadly I no longer can confirm this in a more controlled environment – both the lens and the camera were trial units kindly provided by Sony. At the time I thought it was user error and did not pay too much attention to it.
      But if the lens has issues focusing at longer distances and infinity, everyone will find out soon enough.

        1. I checked all the shots I took at the wedding with that lens.
          Macro shots are all spot on with focus, super sharp (but it’s A7s with 12Mpix, anything looks sharp at pixel level on that).
          50cm-2m focus seems to be correct as well.
          At distances beyond 2m there is often quite severe FRONT FOCUS (not lack of sharpness as I originally thought). Not always though – there were couple razor sharp shots at infinity and full body distance.
          This is very strange, as the A7s uses CDAF and there should be no focus error ever on static subjects. It was not focus-recompose error either, as I rarely ever do that…

          1. Can we see an example of this potential problem?
            We can guess if its error because of the context and depth of field applied to subject. With so many posters inventing problems they don’t demonstrate :I and complaining about the responses when they have never shown evidence anyway. In fact you are made up, and effectively quoting my general principles of manual focusing from playing with cam to find out. Hint: i’m great at manual focusing, you may not theoretically be- nor AF. ANY proof of ANY AF lens AF in a difficult wide open aperture shot with narrow subject depth and some movement, we are waiting, WITH OUR MANUAL FOCUS GLASS. FOR SIGNS OF INTELLIGENT LIFE.

      1. I cannot confirm that the FE 90/2.8 is any bad at landscape distances. It is tack sharp as a lens can be!
        Having used it for a week, this is an excellent all-round lens to me. It does close-ups up to 1:1 (which the 85 Batis can’t), it has a beautiful bokeh and rendering for portraits und is excellent for landscapes, too. The AF is reasonably fast and certainly much faster than my Zeiss 100/2 (which is for sale now). 2.8 is fast enough, I wouldn’t do any headshots at 85mm and f/1.8 anyways, the DOF is too shallow for me.

        1. The fast 85mm isn’t good being fast for headshots, rather for scenic portrait with shallow look. It can be very cool, just check out EF 85mm 1.2 for those or compare with 135mm f/2 for even better, which is really the point isn’t it. This 90mm is a bit closer to 100mm which is good too and not f/2 but super contrasty and apparently really sharp with great rendering: flawless rendering is very important.

          1. In my bag is a FE 55/1.8 for that type of portraits, and I’ll patiently wait for a 135/2 Batis. 😉

  2. When this lens was first announced I considered it could be good as a portrait lens, I haven’t looked at it yet and haven’t considered any 85mm lenses despite having portrait as my main/sole subject interest. Im more interested in 100mm or around abouts, but looking at the Zeiss 100mm f/2 macro and the batis 1.8 alongside the 90mm makes for an interesting comparison of which I might provisionally think best- for portrait say 🙂
    As it is, the 90mm is afterall looking to be a favourite with its AF and manual control and what the lens seems to be made to fit the purposes of. Its an interesting comparison to make and I think this 90mm 2.8 just might be the sort of glass we should be hoping for from Sony, but there’s a lot of research to do with regards all of the similar lens options and price range, and I wouldn’t go for 85mm generally. Aren’t these really mainly up against the EF 85mm 1.2 now we have better AF and the manual control Mitakon Speedmaster 85mm f/1.2. Anyone considered between all of them? Also as a benchmark and for best price, the samyang 85mm 1.4 🙂

    1. Nice, I followed your whole post.
      I’m also curious to give this one a weekend rental or something, once the A7R2’s roll out, and put it up against my EF 100L Macro, which is my most frequently used lens for portraits. Same with the 85 Batis, against my 85Lii which is the second most frequent portrait lens. (then whatever 135 Sony comes up with, against the 135L… fun times)

      1. The problem we have comparing with EF lenses is they need to be used on the fantastic Sony sensor cams for direct comparison 🙂
        I guessed a lot about the 90mm the moment it was announced and had a lot to say about portrait useage 😀
        I haven’t used or looked at G lenses so I had to guess about that too.
        You see, my lens collection is largely relatively inexpensive glass from vintage era or even fairly recent ‘:I most commonly with some reasonable multi-coating and made in japan. I like those type of lenses a lot. The use of a lens like this would be superior contrast (and also AF and image stabilizer and weather resistance and aperture setting recording to boot in this case!) and regards other focal lengths they don’t lack that so much anyway, and all have fairly good rendering.

        1. I almost exclusively use macro lenses and long telephoto.
          I find that the macros are still super crisp and sharp for normal distances.
          I do not shoot distant scenery so I do not know or care how they perform at infinity.
          But for portraiture this would be super sharp.
          As soon as I saw the mtf charts on this lens I was blown away. And the super good performance reviewers are getting is no surprise to me.
          At f 8 all the mtf lines are practically on the 100% line.
          Most macro lenses are super sharp, but this goes beyond that.
          Also 90mm is a good working distance, anything shorter than that creates problems to work around.

      2. I have tested the lens against 100L (manual focus on a “Yongnuo Smart Adapter”) on my a6000. I would be hard pressed to find any real difference in IQ (would probably favour the SEL), but the OSS (would not apply on a7II / a7rII) and a relatively fast and very accurate AF (Macro) makes the sel90m28G a very very attractive lens. I think I have read somewhere that the OSS in the lens is better than the one on the sensor (a7rII/a7II), but more than anything the AF was actually very good in Macro.

        I have only tested lens on a6000. If you could call this testing…

        Image (of one of our chicken) using 100L:
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/caegear/19096234653/in/album-72157654667341465/

        And sel90m28g:
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/caegear/19361919250/in/album-72157654667341465/

        And just for those wondering, the 50f18 (another chicken):
        https://www.flickr.com/photos/caegear/19070734033/in/album-72157654667341465/

          1. I guess. And I think any difference in the 100L and the SEL regarding IQ at Macro would require a FF sensor. On the a6000 I had more keepers with the SEL because of the insane OSS / AF combo. I could do razor sharp closeups handheld indoors (at night) at higher ISO than I am used to, breaking the triangle-thing (50th shutter speed on 90/135mm lens).
            I would have kept it if I felt 100% sure it would be a good portrait-lens on my a6000.

    2. I upvoted your comment, because I can actually understand it.
      Out of all the possibilities you mention by far my choice is the 90mm macro and the a7rii body.
      This is the lens that first made me want to get an E mount.
      When the a7ii came out I immeadiatly preordered tis 90mm macro.
      I did not order an a7rii, but assumed a higher res E mount would come put soon.
      I now have my 90mm with np camera to use it on and am anxiously waiting for my a7rii.
      Please give us more comments like this one.

      1. You must have understood all my pointers the day we found out about it too then. Its beyond ironic, me a master being told what I purely guess with of course a perfect photography self-education, can be understood, the rest is absolutely objective then isn’t it. I’m simply going another step into risk is all!
        I think like Sony and together we make ideal system for us all. hahahahaha
        I didn’t find all my aged posts a few days ago and I remember all my pointers regardless. So heres another photographic fact: not understanding lenses you won’t know much from considering a 35mm lens only on APSC. Note how all the non image posters are ONLY doing that. One of them bought it too remember?
        And still no A7….that’s why isn’t it… It is important because lenses not so good on APSC are in fact good on 35mm sensor such as our A7 cams.
        WHAT DO THEY WANT? OVERCORRECTED APSC STYLE GLASS INSTEAD OF 35mm sensor type LENS?
        That poster with the real images was the feeder with the lens weren’t they.

          1. This is a Sony product rumor website.
            People do not come here to read your philosophy or praise you as thier master.
            When you keep your comments relevent and easy to understand SAR readers willl enjoy reading them.
            When you stray too far from topic and your words are too abstract, they will not.

          2. Check out my wide angle macro, i’ve started at least now, to shoot some macro.
            Sony product rumour? I was right about most of it by my own intuition 5 months or so ago, and whats best for camera system just like our A7 one, wasn’t I? sorry that jangles your philosophy on the matter.

  3. @SAR_Admin
    Buy both. Click on your own links – you’ll buy the lenses and the affiliate $$ back. Sounds like a good deal to me.

  4. On a personal level, I can’t justify the price when you can pick up some amazing vintage macro lenses for significantly less. Fair enough, you gain AF and modern coatings, but the AF performance from a macro is never exactly going to be stellar at the best of times and you won’t be using AF for macro work in any event. Likewise OSS is a moot point with IBIS on the a7ii and the a7rii.

    1. ‘:I
      It looks like a great portrait lens LOL and everyone is always on about 85mm sooo.
      Its got manual aperture dial? AF? and how is the manual focus type action?
      Anyone real used it and can tell about that?
      With the image stabilizer for medium tele you can almost shoot and not worry too much,
      focus with a nice stable image too. Or check the AF if you do that sort of thing :I

      1. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a good lens if it ticks the boxes for you, but from what I’ve seen it’s not beating the Tokina 90/2.5 in sharpness or bokeh.

          1. Definitely got zero complaints about mine – I’ve never seen a lens that’s so sharp wide open beforeb(seriously, f2.5 is comparable to f4 on the Sigma 70/2.8). As for character, it’s got it in spades.

      1. Have you tried it on a6000 or other aps-c? Any link to some photos? I have heard good things about the Lester.

  5. its a great lens and not too heavy for its size. tons of good stuff to say about it so instead ill state my only small gripe about it: the surprisingly far minimum focus distance.. its somewhere around 12″.. which, its not like its a deal breaker, but it would be nice to get in close for abstract macro and the likes. i find i keep having to back out to get focus. this is probably moreso due to habit and being used to 50ishmm macros which let you get in pretty close..but whatever.

  6. Is the question whether to buy a macro or a non macro lens?
    I don’t see where the difficulty in deciding is.

    I don’t know about this 90mm Macro, but from what I understand, including even the Canon L macros and Zeiss ZE/ZF macros, only the 120mm Makro Planar from Contax 645 was able to deliver the same exceptional quality of images at macro level as it was to do at infinity (meaning, an exceptionally versatile lens) I had one, I can vouch for the technical prowess when I used to shoot Across 100, exposed at 64, developed in HC110 mixed on dilution H.

  7. Looked at review, no aperture control! now reading for focus control but taken aback by how good one of images looks 🙂 its the focus stacked one, but somehow even more impressive are closeups of the white cotton wool bokeh with no aberration, its beautiful! Its like I could only imagine, somehow great from wide open but not overcorrected looking. Who doesn’t want it? lol
    This is serious stuff!

  8. Unless you are not a Macro shooter, go for Batis and get a set of extensions tubes for occasional macros if necessary.
    Batis is 2.5 stops faster and fulfills Yasuyuki Nagatas list better: “compactness, quality and a good price”

    1. What? It’s just over 1 stop faster. And extension tubes have a lot of cons, like limiting the ability to focus on distant subjects whilst on the lens.

        1. I’ve never noticed corner softening with tubes. In fact, I shoot on tubes or extension bellows 100% of the time and never, ever, have suffered problems. Glassed tele-extenders are one thing. Tubes are another.

          Focusing problems? of course they exist, but every macro shooter knows of them already.

          1. It’s less of an issue for macro lenses, but you’ll often notice it on standard primes. The problem with tubes is you’re effectively left moving the lens to focus, often over a limited distance. That’s fine if you’re a competent macro photographer and after a specific reproduction ratio, but less than ideal if you want a bit flexibility with your composition.

          2. I’m not so sure. I’ve used tubes from 180mm on down with a 35mm SLR and had no corner issues. If you are doing tilting at all, yes, big problems, but that occurs even with LF lenses.

            In fact, most of my early work was done on tubes with a 105mm f/2,5 portrait lens for still life. And I’ve used a 50/2 Ai on the same tubes with little to no problem.

            I guess it really depends on the photographer/work, but tubes are blessed reliefs for me.

      1. Sorry – my fault! A little over 1 stop faster!!

        But as I said, for an occasional macro shooter extension tubes are good enough – even with all the cons.

  9. Great… another Emount lens with wonky manual focus mechanism… This one copied from a mid 1990’s Tokina contraption.

    I remember a day when camera companies released complete lens lineups that matched each other in physical aesthetics. Contax RTS, Olympus OM, Minolta MD and even Amount all had lens lines with near identical ballistics. Hard stop infinity… distance scales… relics of the past that photographers relied upon. No wonder why so many photographers buy old lenses to adapt. No wonder why numerous new all manual lens makers exist in today’s marketplace.

    Sony FE presents some lenses with manual clutch, others with fly-wire. Some with distance scales, others without. Some with knurled rubber rings, some with plastic ribs, some with rubber ribs. Some with aperture rings, others without. Some with power zooms, others without… and not a single native rear mount smart telephoto teleconverter to be found working for Emount even when adapting from Amount. Have to get a non chipped teleconverter to work properly with adapted LAEA… or perhaps a Canon TC will work with Metabones.

    This system is so convoluted and inconsistent that it seems like a different department is in charge of every lens design. The menus change from camera to camera, making having an a99, a7R, a7II, and a77II like having four different cameras from four different systems.

    We need adapters to achieve smart flash accessories… And most dumb slaves have to be shaved down to fit the so called “standard” MIS shoe… which all MIS accessories don’t work with all MIS-fit cameras. The RX-1 gets a dumb metal thumb bracket with a locking mechanism… but the iISO to MIS flash adapter does not get a locking mechanism beyond a screw thread from the 1970’s that strips out and causes flashes and slaves to leap to their death.

    Here’s the plan directly from Sony private meetings… “Let’s give our best sensor to the competition for a couple of years in pro grade bodies and force our own customer base to buy new cameras and batteries to get less than the same. Let’s cripple the new bodies with wobbly lens mounts and less function… then we can create new cameras that slowly gain back the functionality of the Amount cameras we just betrayed. We’ll get great reviews by slowly returning Amount features and stability… but not all at once now… gotta bleed em’ dry first… then make the customer think we’re listening by returning one Amount feature at a time”….”Never mind we could have released an a33 size full frame body years ago and set the photo world on fire with such a small camera. No no… the a33 has a decent grip for its size and a stable metal lens mount. Let’s take the grip and mount away so we can bring it back later on and look like true heroes to our dopey customer base”….

    “All in favor… say Aye Yai Yai”.

    S.O.N.Y. = Sad Objects Now Yearly

  10. What’s quite interesting is the point about lens size… The 28/2 and 35/2.8 show how small they can go for non-specialist lenses (specifically the 35/1.4 and 90/2.8). Hopefully this means we’ll see some more compact lenses on the roadmap.

  11. Here is my opinion, after having the makro for two weeks now:

    The 90/2.8 has really nice color, sharpness and bouquet. Nice is the wrong word, even as a european I should use awesome… All three things feels even better than with the 55/1.8 (I didn’t test that seriously nor read comparisons).
    So It’s not all about the need of a makro-lense or not… This is a extremely good lens around 85-100!

    And than there are some features that makes it a value against other makros. It’s always good to have the posiblity to shoot a detail here and there. With that lense it’s possible, without a tripot or a flash.
    Makro is not all about insects, flowers or wedding-rings… Even a portrait may only be a detail.

    Cons of the 90/2.8:
    large (130mm (90/2.8) vs. 92mm (batis 85/1.8)), but not that heavy (602g vs. 475g). Feels good on the A7 Body.
    fast AF on macro means still quite slow AF for longer distances. But you can handle that, with tools on the lens and the body.
    2.8 instead of 1.8. I’ll hardly use less than 3.2 on portraits with 85-100. I may miss that difference on some special occasions (but I own a nice manual focus 85/1.4 as a backup).

    As I’m not an portrait-only shooter, my choice was the right one, because I won’t get much more with the batis, but I loose a lot without the 90/2.8.

    1. You have 1 post, make the lens size a con and say you have a nice 85mm 1.4. I don’t.
      Photographic image quality and handling make this lens great. The price shouldn’t matter if you ignore ALL the false identity posts and go by the shots from this 90mm 2.8. The in lens stabilizer makes up for any, if there were, it is rare, in balance in lens camera relation and the added weight and shape make handling easier not more difficult.

      1. In daily use the size isnt that important, but the weight is. And a difference of 127g isnt a deal for me.
        And the 1.8 to 2.8 bias: Shoot a year with the batis and then look at the “5 stars” pictures. I think, non of them would be less than f2.8 (close distance) or would be easily the same with f2.8 instead (longer distance).

        1. Real Sony users want best photographic image quality/utility to price.
          This is your last chance to leave with some decorum.
          Real photographers need this ultimate system as great as it is.
          You don’t have any conflict of interests working with Sony, go do that if you even knew photography, I might seem to have a conflict of interests with a camera maker and lenses etc being a photographer who buys them and relies on a company to match real criteria, but in this case evidently not much at all and I could too, so do that or leave the Sony/photography scene alone. I have close interests to a company who makes these sort of lenses cameras and gear anyway, seeing as I find them generally nearly ideal, and certainly compared to other makers.
          I shouldn’t be made to qualify anything regards my Sony and photography interests to such non identity, non photographically interested people. Its in the photography itself, like my predominantly vintage/non contemporary, if not all but one! japanese general release lenses and their personally and perhaps generally favourable qualities- which I commonly espouse.

    1. I have a 90mm 2.8 with 16 blade aperture that is smaller than the zeiss 55mm 1.8 with the adapter on it. I am just checking it out on 35mm sensor and its not too bad, though it has a certain interesting characteristic otherwise XD
      I also had to adjust the lens positions to allow it to focus on sensor, with black cardboard- whats funny is that doesn’t even show on 35mm sensor even though i made it overlap outer edge of glass for better contrast etc on APSC…

        1. Perhaps they mean the detail description, which maybe this allows to be a little smooth instead of whamming up the sharpness contrast artifically with over correction or something.
          This 90mm 2.8 i have is like one of the worst of reasonably priced vintage lenses presumably, and yet on Sony A7 it looks really cool…

  12. Looked at review, no aperture control! now reading for focus control but taken aback by how good one of images looks 🙂 its the focus stacked one, but somehow even more impressive are closeups of the white cotton wool bokeh with no aberration, its beautiful! Its like I could only imagine, somehow great from wide open but not overcorrected looking. Who doesn’t want it? lol
    This is serious stuff!
    Looking at the street images and comparing to the 85 batis flickr ones for rendering and look, ignoring the processing of colour on the street scenes from review and so on, the 90mm clearly has smoother rendering and a more organic natural feel compared to the zeiss 55mm 1.8 like batis 85mm 1.8 look. Its subtle, but for me, that and the potentially good focus feel, place the 90mm 2.8 VERY high in my estimations overall as a lens choice for our Sony A7 cams 😀
    AND in a focal length so near to that which I had almost NO interest in.
    In use its remotely possible I will prefer it to even the 55mm 1.8 a much more normalish length, so its a fantastic surprise if Sonys new great lens can surpass the already greatest in my estimations somehow 😀
    If you want sharp wide aperture and really great the Batis 85mm 1.8 looks to have great rendering too, its just the 90mm is in a league of its own with an open organic clean look to it I seem to love and 90mm being not so far from 100mm a great portrait range!
    I think it could even be MORE otus like if we are considering say the 55mm 1.4, than the batis 1.8 on the back of aberration free smooth rendering and bright colour as it were.
    I can’t consider the 85mm otus as I haven’t looked at it and i don’t believe the assumptions people make XD
    Could it even be my favourite lens for shear utility with say portrait…we shall have to see, and also check out all the new information etc
    Yet again i’m so glad to be a Sony A7 cam system user.
    I will match it up with my future ZM 35mm 1.4 and 135mm f/2 and be in compact and beautiful photography MASTER heaven :I
    The focus hold button looks really useful, I want this lens!
    (put links with various and excellent examples of 90mm useage)
    GET the 90mm 2.8 and not the 85mm ones 😀
    Is waiting for a 100mm from Sony like choosing the 85mm now, just to cover more range combined later, range I think is less effective, and new 100mm lenses may be made otherwise too anyway to get later and you get better manual focus AND AF with the 90mm 2.8 NOW onwards ‘:I
    Also consider how the new 20-105mm 2.8 zoom may be what you want for that, or just get the 35-135mm 2.8 with similarly beautiful colour aberration free smooth rendered results as the fantastic 90mm 2.8 XD (quantum hint rumour level 999)
    In camera reframing of view to different relative focal lengths would be really useful now 🙂
    (posted as a masters realtimereview shortly after this page was posted, but got the ‘del’ because image showed 🙂

  13. consumers are looking for three things from their lenses – compactness, quality and a good price

    Ok so fail on two of those optics and quality look good price is awful and it’s far from a small lens
    Roll on that Tamron 90mm light sharp and compact thanks but no thanks Sony another “overpriced lens fail”

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