Here are some ulterior info about the new A6xxx/A7xxx camera coming in mid June:
1) It has the same kind of weather sealing of the [shoplink 36714 ebay]A77II[/shoplink].
2) Autofocus is faster than the one of the A6000 making it the worldwide fastest autofocusing system camera of the world.
3) The camera is more expensive than the A6000.
The new A6xxx sounds like a real PRO level APS-C camera. Let’s hope the “more expensive” part doesn’t mean it is really MUCH more expensive 🙂
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I wonder if that means more expensive ‘now’ or more expensive at launch?
When it is a real pro level APS camera, so with good metal body construction, some new or better functionality expect it to be a lot more expensive. To create a metal body as showed costs a lot more tme then to create a plastic house, that can be stamped out of some plastic in les then 5 seconds, the metal one has to be milled out a block of metal and takes minutes…
Die cast of course.
Yes! Finally! I hope this rumor is true. If it is, good job Sony! As soon as I have enough money saved, I’ll want that weather-sealed camera.
I wish they do a slr styled body.
Then buy a slr
Like an A3000? I don’t think many want this.
If this is really a pro-class level camera, then it MUST be named a7000. A a6xxx camera simply doesn’t make sense if shared with the already lower class a6000.
‘Weather sealed…’?
As we well know, that definition has not been quantified unless it accords with the IP rating system. It’s just a general idea that many have found to be not as ‘sealed’ as they would like.
Perhaps such claims should be forgotten unless and until they are a tested criterion.
You are right that we still need a standard to define what weather sealing means!
There are international standards on protection (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code).
Most cameras that advertise as being splash proof tend to be equal to the IPX1 rating, though the companies don’t actually tend to state that, as IPX implies a warranty of sorts and requires compliance testing. The Nikon AW1 is technically IPX8, by way of comparison, though again the company doesn’t actually advertise that.
Instead, the camera makers keep trying to invent marketing terms for something that turns out to be mostly meaningless in practice. I have reports of virtually every camera maker denying repair to any water ingress, whether it was generated within the implied IPX rating or not. Some day one of the US or European agencies is going to call them to task for this. You generally can’t make a marketing claim and disclaim it under warranty.
all the weather-sealing on the body doesnt mean a thing if you get lenses that arent, but should it really be positioned as “pro” then those “pros” adopting it will probably also be more inclined to spend the extra money on sealed lenses.
heres to hoping sony wont be crippling this model by omitting key features like ibis (if its viable at all for them to implement), a fully articulating touch screen (which, joined with the ability to turn it off, should deffo be standard finally), 2-3 mechanical dials, a distinct grip, a quality evf, s-o-t-a software, a practical ui, 4k, all the major ins and outs that “pros” need and possibly a pop-up flash.
give your competitors a run for their monnée and keep it <$1000. thats all 😉
FE lenses = sealed. Sealed lenses are already expensive generally, so getting FF-capable lenses in the same price bracket of sealed lenses that are crop-only (see MFT, Fuji, Samsung) is hardly a bad deal.
A weather sealed camera is better than one that is not weather sealed, regardless of the lens I use.
But look at it like this: If we have a weather sealed body now, Sony can release weather sealed lenses later, and you don’t have to complain the other way around (about no weather sealed camera).
of course its great to have, and i wasnt implying otherwise – i guess im more like startled at the fact it would be handled as such a special + pro feature and not even implemented in all enthusiast cams too by default. thats what i wanna see. weather-seal every cam you can, if you want ppl to get the most versatile use out of them 🙂
They could begin with adding a function for recording and playing back macros. That way one could program the camera to do whatever one wants (like bracketing, timelapses etc).
yeah sure it gest fastes AF of tegh worl… like all other entax and nikons or panasonics.
now look at sport events and what 70% of teh pro´s are using.
PR lies…..
I hope it has external mic input.
And headphone output
I hope it has built-in Arduino.
Mmm… and what about IBIS?
Have no 100% certain info on that. I hope it has 🙂
Thanks, this is the feature that will convince me to buy it.
I hope it has IBIS
I hope not. 😉
Condor, if you don’t want IBIS, get the A6000, and you get your wish of a non-IBIS camera. For us, who want IBIS, our needs are not met. Be fair.
I really wonder why you don’t buy a mid to high priced canon. It lacks everything you don’ want to have 🙂
*FACEPALM* You make me crazy. You are teasing me again, right?
My point was, that I don’t wish the increasing in size, like with the A7ii. I would of course like IBIS, if the camera would still be small like the A6000. The coolest part of the A6000 is the small size with a relatively big sensor. The form factor of my NEX5n is still the gold standard in this class for me. The A6000 is bigger due to the EVF, but I would not like it any bigger.
I am not teasing you, I just figured out you want a top notch sensor in a yesterdays camera without any conveniences but as robust as a stone.
😉
fastest AF? like the A6000 before?
what a joke.
it´s a nice AF for a mirrorless but professional DSLR´s still run circles around it when it comes to continous tracking.
If no touchscreen or/and additional pad for changing focus point fastest af is useless
Why is that? The professional DSLRs with very, very fast AF don’t have touch screens! Pros know how to use their cameras and don’t need touch to focus especialy when they have there nose to the camera and their eye at the VF….
Exactly!!
Pros in people transportation know how to feed horses and don’t need fuel burning automobiles.
pro’s in people transportation know how to manualy change gears so they don’t need automatic gearboxes. That is closer. A touchscreen to set focuspoints can be a nice to hae, but is not needed to use the fastest AF camera in the world. When your camera can select the right moving target by using Face detection, object selection or what ever then it is way faster then touch screen especialy when you use the EVF to do the framing.
Well – I could tell you many points how a touchscreen helps to save time. And Pros are the people that are really interested in saving time, cause they can do more shots in shorter time.
example Touch+AF:
Especially with mirrorless-AF system that isn’t limited in center part of the view, you can look at a scene, decide that your moving Focus-object should be in the top right part of the picture, and with every shot you can AF on a point in the top right part without moving camera away and back all the time.
If you want to rely on face-detection for this usecase: THAT is using automatic gearbox.
In my original post I told that having no touchscreen can make the super fast AF to work for you can be done by other things, like facedetection, so you can use the AF in a (often) better, more acurate way then by touch focus. You can use the tools you have, a pro is doing that, he takes the picture with the tool he have and their pictures are great, an amateur is telling everybody that he could have taken that great picture when its camera just had this or that option…
Have you ever tried you’re touchy handset with glows, in low temperatures, in moisture conditions … ? There’s no use case of a touchscreen on a pro-level camera. If you want touchscreen, buy NEX5.
Pro cameras have little joystick to do it.
The professionals (few thought) I know that use AF use the center point and then reframe most of the time..
I use manual focus and I loved the touch screen on the Nex 5T for setting the focus point for focus magnification. Having the A7, this feature is more important to me than getting more resolution or IBIS.
Touch screen? How useless… But a touch pad instead of the joystick; that might just be an brilliant idea…
Anyway, I do not undestand why the lack of these functins makes fast focus useless? I’ve been taking picrures of puffins, swallows an smal birds – in flight, never have it occured to me that touch screen would help, faster focus – yes, indeed.
What if touch screen becomes touch pad when eye start is on? Swipe/slide to move focus point.
Where do I put my nose to grt it out of the way…?
With rangefinder-style EVF in the empty space outside the body
That depends on what your dominant eye is I think. Mine is the left one. I have a hard time using my A6000 with my right eye somehow, but the downside is my nose is on the screen and the buttons on the right are slightly harder to access.
In this case I expect in the menu for touch-screen functions settings like:
-“always on”
-“enabled when no eye detected”
-“always off”
Maybe this setting can be separated for functions like:
-pinch-to-zoom
-set focus-point
-change ISO
-change Exposure
-…
-general on or off
Touchscreen and EVF on the same body are a bad idea. There is a reason why EVF-models by Sony do not have touch screens, you know!? Because whenever you go on the top of the LCD the EVF sensor would think “oh, an eye, lets switch on myself and switch of touchscreen”. Thats the reason why they do not combine it. Pretty simple and logical :).
If touchscreen with EVF is useless, then why doesn’t the same logic apply to the backscreen at all? Ah, because for different purposes different interfaces have advantages. A touchscreen has some big advantages. I don’t see how an additional EVF has any impact on the usefulness of a touchscreen.
Ah, sorry, I finally get the argument. After using the A7 for close to the time when it came out, more and more the switch between monitor and EVF doesn’t work correctly anymore. I use the menu to set one or the other fix more and more. Not sure I could assign the selection to a button, would be helpful. Anyway, software should be smart to not easily be fooled.
Touchscreen would be very welcome, but it’s absence hardly makes fast(est) AF useless. Better AF performance is always good no matter what.
Fastest AF is not the only thing that makes a camera a real “sports” camera, you also need the right lenses and the pro service to go with the camera. And not all pros are into sports. And “fastest AF” is often followed by an * (and then telling in small print it is the fastest in some class.
And one other thing why most cameras at large sports events are the known brands is that those pros are using a very expensive camera and lens combination, they are not likely to switch brands even when that other brand has a slightly faster AF…
yes because you need big bazooka zoom lenses for majority of sport coverage & actually sport photography segmentation is really small. By the way read this link a good list of sport photographers using mirrorless cameras http://goo.gl/mT5WId
To complement this new PRO APS-C camera Sony should release some new high quality crop lenses!
Where’s 16-50/f2.8? No matter the size, they should release it or at least something like fuji’s 16-55/f2.8-4.0. They’re the only CSC manufacturer that doesn’t offer high quality constant aperture (f4.0 doesn’t count) lens.
When it comes to lenses, Samsung (and Fuji) with their 16-50 and 50-150 should be an example for Sony!
“… making it the worldwide fastest autofocusing system camera of the world.” Got it. It’s really fast.
But the World Is Not Enough, according to Mr. Bond. 😉
Money Penny approves~
Fast autofocus, and weather sealed. That is a welcome addition. But for me. They could also skip the LCD screen on the back of the camera. But mostly wanted thing, is better battery capacity on A7
Better battery would mean: larger battery. Which would mean: larger body. My guess is that A9 will get a larger body + the battery of the DSLR/SLT cameras.
That’s A Mount we’re talking about~
What? The rumored A9 is an E-mount camera.
I dont care if the size is bigger. The size dont matter anyway. Thats because they give a shit when it comes to making compact lenses
Great! I’ll use it with my weather sealed lenses.
Wait…
It all depends whether you’re a Half Glass Empty or Half Glass Full kind of person~ XD
Well, Sony is a Glass Half Weather Sealed kind of company anyway :).
LOL~ At least they’re optimistic at the mean time~
Optimism is the best weather sealing.
You Sir, are the man with wisdom~
I would rather say it depends whether one is a troll or not.
What do you say, are there weathersealed APS lenses?
I think it is fair to tell the truth.
1. it will be nice to have a weatherseald body (if only to get the trolls who tell they need their camera to be weathersealed (although their lenses are not)out of our hair)
2. It would even nicer if we had some good weathersealed lenses too, so who knows what Sony will comes with…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44
Yes, and now Sony has you, you have to buy complete new weatherseald lenses and woopla they get even more cash in the bank!
LOL
You have got to start somewhere, you know…
It’s a valid point with existing APS-C lenses, but all the FE lenses are sealed (or should I say resistant?!) and this camera will appeal to users who already own some of those.
A6xxx and Batis 25/2 will be a killer combo! (Even if the Batis is a lil big)
I think weather sealing is a good thing, even if there are not many weather sealed lenses available yet. You have to start at some point. No reason to talk it down. If more current lenses would have weather sealing, you surely would complain the other way around, having no weather sealed camera available.
Some people are never satisfied.
That’ll probably be about as expensive as a RX1 and it’ll have the FOV and DOF of a Fuji X100T for twice the price. Would you like to think again? 🙂
After getting a sand particle inside my A7 without even trying, I don’t even believe in weather resistant/sealed claims that much so you wouldn’t hear me complaining otherwise.
The best way to make of a pro-built A6xxx body would be pairing it with a nice travel lens or a long tele. Which don’t exist yet.
What is a nice “travellens” think Sony has some very nice lenses for that:
If you prefer very compact during travel you canhave the 16mm, 20mm pancake f/2.8 lenses ande the small 16-50 and larger 55-210mm zooms.
When you want more reach in one lens, you can have the 16-70mm zoom, the 18-200mm lenses and the 18-105 f/4 G lens.
When you want high quality primes, you have the 24mm, 35mm and 50mm f/1.8 lenses and the Sigma primes (19, 30 and 60mm. f/2.8)
If you want a WA lens the 10-18 is not bad.
Or when you want higer quality zooms, you could go for the FE70-200 f/4, the FE16-35mm f/4
And when you want the best quality primes you could have the FE35mm f/1.4 and the FE55mm f/1.8 lenses these are all FF lenses, so you can go for a FF camera too in the future
U think this would make a nice travelkit for everybody…
And how many of those are weathersealed?
There are reasons to prefer this combo to an RX1 or X100T. No need to think again (at least for me).
Better AF performance.
Interchangable lenses.
No X-Trans sensor, because I fuc*ing hate it and I don’t wanna be a victim of proprietary RAW format wars once again. I don’t say the RAW format mess of Sony or Nikon is any better, but they use at least “normal” Bayer pattern that is relatively easy to hack and they can converted to DNG for long term storage. Fuji is very innovative, but it is not the first time they abandon their super special custom RAW format. Think SuperCCD color filter array. How long will it be supported by RAW software?
That is just my opinion. To each their own.
I made the mistake of converting to DNG for two years. I realized that it was a mistake when I switched to Capture One from LR. I have the Sony version of Capture One, which does not work with DNG files. Now I have three years of RAW files which I can only work on with Adobe software.
That Sony-version is a crippled down version of the regular C1 (which of course supports DNG). All common RAW converters support DNG. DNG is by far the most widely supported RAW format. And in contrast to any proprietary RAW formats, it is well documented.
The only reason why most RAW formats are relatively well supported, is, that they require more or less the same Bayer demosaicing. Therefore the difference between these RAW formats is technically rather small. Special RAW formats like Fuji’s (SuperCCD, X-Trans) or Sigma’s (Foveon) are a pain in the a*s. In case of X-Trans, the third party developers have limited resources to develop demosaicing from the ground up and Fuji won’t give away its “magic” secrets. We are who pay the bill, the customers.
Like it or not, I have my reasons to hate closed, highly proprietary “special” RAW formats.
I really would like to understand what you are trying to say, but honestly, I have no clue.
Oh, A7II+35/2.8 would also be (probably) cheaper than the rumored pro built A6xxx + 25/2 combo.
Zeiss 24mm F1.8 can surely be use in bad weather, just get some simple cover. It will be fine.
From memory, the 35/1.4 and the 24-240 are sealed…
FE70200G, too
I got in contact with the trusted source who told me about the A7rII back in March. Back in March Sony told him the camera was already in production. He now asked Sony aagain what’s going on and why the camera has yet not been released. He did not get any answer.
Also to be told is that two major stores got similar info from Sony.
My guess is that just like it happened witht he A6xxx (or A7xxx= there is a small delay for yet unkown reasons. But I should get some solid info early June about all cameras A7rII, A7000 and new RX.
Do we really have to repeat the marketing department’s misleading statements like “worldwide fastest autofocusing system camera”? Clearly the statement is carefully crafted to mislead customers into thinking it’s the fastest AF of any camera category.
All what people is hoping the new a6/7xxx brings is already in the excellent OMD E-M5M2.
Taking into account that Sony owns some shares of Olympus and since the adquisition they are getting “inspired” by Oly “borrowing” some of their tech, I just hope they keep on the good work: an APS-C E-M5M2 $500 cheaper. That would be a total killer!
They haven’t borrowed anything from Oly.
Find out who patented IBIS first.
Bahahaha! Really? Oly were late to the party on that one.
So you’re saying Oly stole it from Minolta?
Not saying that. No body is talking about “stealing” here. Just saying one has to find out who patented/implemented it first. If it was Minolta, great! You just saved us from searching that info 😉 if I remember well, they also had the first AF system in 1983 or something near that year.
1. As far as I know, the Oly has no APS-C sensor.
2. I didn’t have tested it myself, but from the reviews, the Oly is not on par in terms of AF performance.
3. The Oly is bloody expensive in comparison.
Why trolling in a Sony forum, if you could have a constructive conversation in a Olympus or M43 forum instead?
1. Of course, ALL E-Olys are (micro)4/3
2. Aparently AF performance is better than a6000 (lots of info about in the internet)
3. Yes, $500 more.
4. I am not trolling, what I am telling is that if they put a Sony APS-C sensor in something like a feature-like E-M5M2 keeping the price range of the a6000, then it will sell really well.
I guess is not forbidden to mention any other brand rather than Sony here. Moreover taking into account that Sony owns a bit of Oly and it seems they are exchanging some tech.
I think they already sold the parts they had in Olympus (and it was only for medical solutions, not all Olympus).
Yes, they sold half of their shares last month. But as Olympus President, Hiroyuki Sasa’s stated in 2012 press announcement: ‘In the field of digital cameras, we will seek to achieve
collaboration in a manner that further improves the competitiveness of
the two companies.’
And some rumors coincidentally became true: http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-olympus-sony-partnership-more-advanced-then-we-could-think-of-new-sensor-tech-in-2015/
Nevertheless, I’am happy both are pushing consumer phtography forward. 🙂
No, it is of course not forbidden. But saying Sony is just copying from Oly, ending up with products inferior in all aspects, which is so obviously wrong (think all the Sony customers), sounded like trolling to me.
Both make cool products that have advantages and disadvantages. And like many others, I enjoy a constructive conversation about.
Regarding AF performance, I guess I have to test it myself. Not sure about that. But nevertheless I think both cameras (or systems) have appealing qualities. Right?
I really hate the tiny m43 sensor, and it is in 4:3 like my old CRT monitor
Just to say the photo seems to be of good old NEX7 mag alloy parts
What do you expect? Real pictures of rumored camera parts? 😀
No, I mentioned it because i didn’t see it stated anywhere.
Why does “F4.0” not count!?
I’d liked a fast way to switch AF points/areas like on the A77 with it’s joystick. On the A6000 I had to select AF modes > Spot AF (but don’t use left/right because it will only change the spot size) > move spot = subject gone.
However, weather sealing is nice – depending how Sony does it and when weather sealed lenses are available. Fast AF? Who cares!
Sounds like no IBIS.
Why do you think that?
They’d better leave IBIS for a A9xxx “pro” body (or maybe A7xxx) as it would become heavier and larger with IBIS.
It will also increase the cost as well, while they need a competitive camera with an EVF i.e. A6000 should not have IBIS in my opinion.
Well if rumours the other day are correct, this may well be a “pro” level body and it might still be called the A7000, so IBIS is certainly a possibility.
Based on the (admittedly) limited info so far, I’d say this camera is going to be priced above the A6000 launch price. It supposedly isn’t a replacement of the A6000, but positioned as a higher end model. The newly launched A6000 ad campaign also suggests the A6000 isn’t going away just yet.
I’m okay with it being heavier for these purposes, as the A6000 would become my backup.
you are lucky: A6000 does not have IBIS
Yes, I’m very tempted to get one, especially at the current low price, but am not getting one for 2 reasons
– first, I am out of the UK at the moment and shipping will be a bit complicated
– secondly, I’ve decided that I am not changing my NEX 5N until I hit 20k shots, the problem is I am also trying to do the same on an RX100 as well
If weather sealing and slightly faster AF are the top features leaving out mention of IBIS is burying the lead based on this rumor.
Depends on the subject. For some subjects the CPU-based AFs are superior to the old-school phase-AF sensors in DSLRs or SLTs.
This is exactly the top two features I would want in an updated A6100 !
I personally don’t insist on in-body stabilisation because it will make the body both larger and heavier, while some of the lenses are stabilised if you need stabilisation.
As additional feature I’d rather get improved start-up time and responsiveness.
i do wonder what lens can make use of the faster AF system. at some point the lens motor will be the limitation. anyway, interesting nonetheless.
It think continuous AF and tracking, rather than all out speed, is the most important aspect when considering AF as a whole. The A6000 was pretty good, but I’m sure there is more to come.
There isn’t much to complain about with the ability of the latest models when it comes to single shot AF – I was playing with my A7 yesterday and the speed of AF from minimum to infinity is really very quick. Even lowlight is far better with the latest firmware updates that allow the AF assist light to function correctly with the selected AF point.
For me, as a photographer, AF in low light is the most wanted improvement. Of course better AF-tracking might be welcome for video/sports, but in this regard I think the A6000 is already top notch in good light.
AF-C is already quite good in low light.
And with the FW update the focus assist light on the A6000 is realy working, so you can focus in the (near) dark.
Yes you are right. The $4000-5000 Professional DSLRs are faster then the $700 Sony mirrorless. When I bought the A6000 it was the fastest focussing APS camera I could buy, as the faster focussing cameras al where to expensive for me…
“… fastest AF …” I will not believe this statement until I see it in action under not perfect lighting conditions (F2, 1/10s, ISO 800).
World leading fast focus, well then, do we see any emount long lenses – like 400mm, being launched anytime soon? And do we se the world leading focus speed with such a lens?
Probably never as there still is not even a 300mm E mount lens.
Fast autofocus, weather sealed and tree-navi (hope) are what I wait for, sounds great, but…. I really want AF to focus down to -2 or – 3EV for low light shooting, especially in any object move, and bring also please more Fn buttons with seperated AF-L and AE-L ones and Zeiss 16/1.8 lens, and it can be best APS-C mirrorless for reportage, street and action ( Fuji X-Pro2 will probably be also good, but Fuji fast primes are too big).
Finally, weather sealing on a compact APS-C body. Drool. Hopefully they skipped IBIS in order to keep it compact and affordable.
Most apsc e-mount lenses have OSS, even the new zeiss 85mm has OSS, so it’s okay. OSS > IBIS.
I guess many people will disagree with you. 🙂
Many people would think IBIS is more important than weather seal.
Weather seal does not mean water proof, you may still damage your camera if you use under rain and water damage is not cover by warranty.
Yes, I know. I just remembered the increased size and price of the A7ii.
On the other hand it allows to reduce the size of the lenses and for balancing issues I prefer to be the body bigger than the lens.
Hmm, when I look at the prime lenses, I can’t detect that much of a size difference between stabilized and regular ones. E.g. my 24mm/1.8 is not exactly what I consider small.
Weather-resistant cameras like the Pentax DSLRs are built to be rainproof. Splash-proof cameras don’t take a good rain, only a few drops. Some cameras, like the Nikon AW1, can go under water for limited depths.
Some people need to work in bad weather and plastic bags over the bodies just don’t do it. The biggest problem with making the new body weather resistant is the lenses aren’t. Sony has to come out with a select number of lenses.
I’d prefer a resistant body and not a resistant lens, than nothing resistant to anything. There’s plenty of resistant lenses anyway, the full frame options fit just fine
Pentax DSLR get damage after use under rain.
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/172-pentax-k-3/276118-k-3-out-rain-meter-started-freaking-out.html
To be exact, Nikon AW1 is build to be waterproof not weather resistant.
That example appears to be an outlier compared to most feedback on Pentaxes. That’s their hook–rain resistance. Otherwise, all their buyers would use Canon or Nikon.
Yes, the AW1 is waterproof to certain depths.
Basically, my A6000 is so good that the only reason I’d upgrade is to get IBIS in APS-C. That way, I can get stabilization on the range of E-mount lenses that don’t have it in-built, as well as legacy lenses.
wow; maybe you will even be able to shut a minimum shutter speed? on A mode.
Like to have a vertical grip as a option. Continuos AF improvements and nice raw buffer. This would be awesome for me shooting runway where I’m in vertical mode and putting 15k images in on these 4 day shows I do. It also gives my 200 end to 300 which is perfect. Why I sold my A6000 was lack of a optional Sony grip
Will it have 4k? Was the heat issue resolved?
Firmware for all Sonys wanted: manual focus magnification and focus peaking coupled with nearest eye detection.
“Fastest autofocusing in the world”, if meant in the conventional sense, would be launched on a full frame. Why would Sony want to give the chief FF competition, i.e. CaNikon, time to hedge?
Dammit, this forum drives me crazy sometimes. Why the he*l are there so many complaining about weather sealing? I can’t think of a single sane reason for not having it.
Nah, people like getting ripped. Actually getting something in return for the money payed is new for them.
It is because they already bought a camera, want to love it dearly and don’t like the thought that the newer model is going to be better. I love the “it won’t matter if the lens breaks!” argument. Yeah, because switching a lens takes so much longer than sending a camera in for repair
I can’t either. It’s a good little insurance that everything won’t go to hell if very wet conditions suddenly becomes a reality. I can’t understand how people can’t imagine standing on a rocky beach with waves hitting the shore and then suddenly being splashed with water.
With A6xxx/A7000 circling in on an APS-C sized sensor, I wonder if the rumored budget full frame in Nex 6/7 size is postponed or even dead in the water.
I think the fast autofocus camera will come as the full frame without an EVF.
No mention of internal 4k video. I hope Sony realizes 1080P is dead.
Just like DVD died the minute Blu-ray came out…
Very good point. Even today, about 80% of rentals are DVD and not Blue Ray.
And what if this guy is not part of the 80%?
It will be just 20% of the camerabuyers who realy should care.
So there’s should be only products for the masses?
Most rental houses died and the people that visit them are broke. Poor example
Great example actually – I was referring to RedBox
and how 4k has killed blu-ray
DVD died but Blu-ray never became popular.
Was soon replaced by streaming movies…
1080p wont be dead for years to come, but of course youre cheekily pointing to the whole a-mount hysteria 😉
ill give you that, 4k would provide awesome crops TO 1080p! dont think theyll be happy to jeopardize their future a7s ii sales by putting it in here, though.
4k is really unnecessary unless it is the standard of TV screens, laptop and PC monitors, which it isn’t. It takes time to make such transitions. DVD’s are still used, which means 1080p is still not a standard. Many laptops and TV screens feature lower resolution screens at the moment, why on earth would you play a 4k video on those?
Sure, Hollywood movies are also shot in 720×480 because DVDs are still around.
Obviously not, but then your average Hollywood shoot wouldn’t be using a bunch of A7000s.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=analogy
In your haste to be condescending, you forgot that your analogy wasn’t a particularly good one.
I still do not see anything that would back up your opinion. Throwing words around is something everyone can do. Pros use 4K and above for a reason and Pro-wannabes (low budget indie movies or students wanting to be cinematographers) will want 4K for the same reason. A 4K prosumer camera is what these people need. Like the NX1 or GH4. The A7S is no competitor because it’s 4000$ + crazy expensive lenses. The A7000 could be the camera to compete in this segment of the market.
Which of my opinions are you referring to?
Not sure if serious… I thought we were having an argument about 4K being useless. You think it’s useless, thus it’s your opinion.
Where did I say 4K was useless?
Admit thats its great to have 4k atleast for marketing. Samsung NX sells for a reason.
4k is pretty common now, you can buy a 24″ Dell for under $500. The difference in image quality is indescribable, especially for text on a computer. For tv watched from a distance it’s much less significant, but I refuse to work on a computer lesser than 4k.
1080p is dead? LOL I never saw good quality (pixel sharp and without line skipping artefacts) before A7S or Pana GH4. How many people even have 4K displays? I don’t. Do you have ever realised that even YouTube is not really 1080p ready yet? As far as I can see, no higher resolution (1080p, 1440p, 4k) looks any better than 720p, because it is so brutally compressed that there is no real benefit of watching 1080p or higher.
So, to me, it is still a long way until we have good 1080p in every day usage and it is far from dead.
I prefer seeing cameras that can output flawless 1080p to crappy 4k. I know, crappy 4k is not what you had in mind, but it is often reality, just that the companies can stick a fancy 4k label on the box. But they do that because of us customers who declare a technology dead, that isn’t developd to its full potential yet.
the problem is I shoot events and I can’t go back and reshoot the event five years from now when 4k is the standard.
Surely a professional event shooter would own professional dedicated video camera.
And the A7000 is a professional camera, hello?
And don’t tell me this is a stills camera because the A7S is an A7 variant which is a stills camera too.
I carry multiple cameras and I like to be able to shoot video with as many as possible. The bottom line is I’m not buying any more 1080P cameras. So, if Sony wants my $$ they better step up because Panasonic is happy to take my $$.
Can I just ask what kind of clients you work for are demanding 4K?
Have you got a link to any of your work?
>what kind of clients you work for are demanding 4K
That’s the line of a sh*tty photographer. An artist makes everything for him-/herself. People liking your work is just a side-effect. Also, you’re getting payed to make videos as good as possible, which you are obviously not doing if you shoot in low-res. I’d be glad if I could see my parents wedding in 4K, but no it’s on VHS.
You don’t want to know…
LOL, you might be right.
You are just showing your ignorance really
I’ll invite you to expand on that.
I like audrey! She is an awesome nerd 🙂 Assuming you are the same guy that works with her
Can the event shooter that shot an event 10 years back, going back to shoot it in 1080p now? Can the event shooter of last year going back to shoot it in 4K? Can you go back to the event you shoot now in 4K when 8K is the standard?
What most people here forget is the the quality of the video is not the resolution, but the content!
Last weak I was in a cideo store, you know what most people bought when I was there? DVD’s not even 740i, just plain old DVD’s It was the content, not the sharpness of the picture…
you can’t go back…this’s why I’m shooting 4k now. Your comments are proving my points! I’m guessing you don’t shoot 4k. Trust me there’s a huge difference. It’s like going from a 2mp to 8pm stills.
Ye, I can understand the difference, but people are still enjoying their DVDs at a much lower resolution. The argument that you need 4K to save your content for the future is a myth. When your content is good people will enjoy it, mo matter what the resolution is, that is why some old B&W films are still very nice to look at and some Super High res 3d films are horrible. It is not details and sharpness that makes the peopel happy, it is the content itself…
Then why upgrade from the kit lens? It can do macro / telephoto with cropping, but as u say it’s not about resolution so it doesn’t matter. Content wise a kit lens can do everything, because you can fit every content into a picture taken by the kit lens. Buying good glass is a gimmick.
Err… so what? What happens to your 4k footage when 8k comes along? You still won’t be able to go back. smh.
you can’t mean these things you’re saying??
Although slightly tongue in cheek, yes I do.
Firstly, why would you need to go back to something you did 5 years ago? Please, give me a sensible reason you would need to do that regularly?
My point is I wish all my videos from 2006 on were shot in 4k…alas they started out at 240p and those are almost unwatchable now.
But his old stuff is still gonna be better than what it would have been using a 1080p camera.
No question, 4K has it’s uses, and as a pro you might be required for some uses. I just said that 1080p isn’t dead in my opinion.
But sharp 1080p is not possible without oversampling and once you read out more than 2MPs why not save all of them for editing? Sure there are limitation, the NX1 for examples reads out 6.5K and oversamples to 4K before saving.
That’s true. But you can go back and reshoot it with film…
because in the past, being ironic and obvious wasn’t even invented yet.
Correct. Wishing for 4K with no regards to bitrate and codec only shows how little experience you’ve got. The bitrate needed for proper (editable) 4K is a problem very few people seem to understand.
Samsung NX1?
For consumers (with proper hardware at home), H265 will work. But I would not replace prores for my kind of work though.
H265 is a delivery format with huge GoP’s and resource hungry compression, ProRes is a editing format with All-Intra and relatively simple compression. Apples and oranges. No one will replace the other.
Recording in H265 is OK, but you are forced to convert it to ProRes or similar before editing. So, in terms of editing, H265 will not work directly. Not at all. You can’t edit 4k H265 fluidly even on the fastest machine money can buy.
But how about the quality of h.265 despite its low bitrate. Does it hold good information?
How low the bitrate is, depends on the manufacturer who uses the format, not the format itself. The quality at a given bitrate is better than in older formats like H264 or AVCHD. But editing formats like ProRes are still superior for serious usage.
You can read it in many Samsung NX1 reviews, the codec quality itself is quite good, but the editing workflow is a pain in the a*s.
No, my question is, since h.265’s bells and whistles are about how effective the compression is that it requires 1% file size of ProRes for the same quality. So is 5mbps h.265 has the same or better quality than 50mbps XAVCs ?
I’m far from being en expert, but 1% compared to ProRes or 10% compared to XAVC (which uses H264 internally) is total nonsense. The H265 codec is roughly twice as efficient as H264. Or, the other way around, H265 needs roughly half the bitrate than H264 for the same quality.
Comparison with ProRes is far too complex for a short forum comment, due to the wide variety of options, color depths etc. Like I said before apples and oranges.
thanks
That was helpful
No, h.265 is 30-50% better than XAVC, so it should be at least 25Mbs for comparable performance to XAVC.
Yup, the workflow with prores is hard to beat right now. I was stubborn and tried cinemaDNG for a while (on BMPCC), but couldn’t stand the time consuming work involved.
1440p is way better than 720p or 1080 on YouTube. That mainly has to do with bitrate though.
At electronic stores in developed asian countries, 50% of what is displayed on floors are 4k tv. Many of them go for less than 3000$.
the standard TV box in South Korea provide some 4k TV channels, for 40$ a month, including 250 HDTV channels, usb3 port, fibre optic internet and a phone line.
IMO, In one year it will be the same in europe and US.
Only 3k? LOL
4k is awesome. I have it and watch it every day
I’m surprised you can find the time.
Yes, 4K is awesome. I just said, in reality, 1080p is far from dead.
If you don’t see the resolution of 4K footage on Youtube far surpassing any native (even A7S and GH4) 1080P footage, then it’s time to upgrade your viewing medium and/or eyes.
Big difference.
I am in video production and shoot in both 4K and 1080P. I have a 4K monitor and the workflow down, but I agree with the OP. Once YouTube is done compressing your video, 4K doesn’t look half as good as 1080P done the right way.
If you are judging video quality by reviewing your own footage in your own monitor, then you’re making judgements in a bubble. If you’re comparing YouTube/streaming 4K against 1080P then you don’t know what quality 1080P looks like when it’s implemented properly.
The 4K standard is about more than resolution. It’s about color depth and accuracy– most of which is stripped out online (and over cable TV too).
Plus, not many people watch video in full 1080P. With mobile accounting for about half of all video traffic and laptops with low tea screens another 25%, almost no one has the capability. We’ll get there one day but 720P isn’t close to dead, let alone 1080P.
I see the difference in resolution, but the compression artefacts are so horrible at higher resolutions, that there is not much benefit.
Another limiting factor is network bandwidth. I live in Europe, where the internet backbones to the US are already heavily overloaded. Maybe I see more compressed 4k on YouTube than you. Thats what I say, the whole content creation/content delivery ecosystem has not even brought 1080p to it’s full potential. So, it is far from dead in my book.
Once everyone starts watching 4k, the underseas cables won’t be able to handle it. We’re already close to the limits. Of course youtube and others could create mirrors on every continent.
On the other hand, content distribution is completely different than content creation. For example, in the 80s we started using video cameras for tv shows. The quality of those shows is actually orders of magnitude worse than it was in the 70s, when we used film even for tv. As a result, a 70s tv program is higher quality than something from 1994. We have to be careful how we capture our long-term content.
Its not dead, but 4K is clearly the future, and even today it’s great for 1080p output and lots of room for post.
New advanced level body axxxx need uncompressed 14 bit raw like Nikons,Pentax, Canons, Fuji? Why Sony dont understand this??
Mirrorless A-mount is coming faster than I thought
You got all that from this rumour?
It’s only a feeling .. having fast AF without the need of a mirror does mean that the mirror in DSLT cameras should be removed , why would you need one if you can do the job without it ?
That’s the problem. There is no sign yet that Sony can focus A-mount lenses well enough with OSPDAF.
Exactly.
maybe it’s because they want to sell SLT cameras and/or more expensive LA-EA4
There is very little to suggest that Sony wants to sell SLT cameras at all.
You could never put an A-mount lens on a mirrorless camera without an adapter, the distance between the sensor and the back of the lens needs to be extended with an adapter.
I mean removal of the mirror only without changing the distance, I was talking about DSLT cameras like A77 and A99
I wonder if it ever gets PDAF with LA-EA3, at least with central focus point. My bet it will not!
Yeah, fast AF is great in good light, but I have no problem with the speed of the AF in good light on most Emount cameras. The issue I struggle with is when the light starts to get low (and not even really low light).
Have you tried switching the AF assist light back on?
For years everyone has switched it off because it only resulted in the big green box, but now it actually works with the AF point you have selected. I’m assuming you have A7/A6000 cameras of course.
Thanks..turned it off in every camera since the Nex 7.
Yes, I’ve turned it back on when I last updated my camera. It does help, but it also makes my kids mad. Heh.
Yeah, that is the downside. Pretty bright that thing.
Don’t forget to turn off face-recognition! That really speeds up the low-light autofocus!
I think it is the same as with Canon dual-pixel AF:
STM-lenses: fast, USM-lenses:slow
SAL-lenses: I expect they behave like USM and agree to you that they are slow
A lot of A-mount lenses will NEVER focus with the LA-EA3 adapter as that adapter does not have an AF motor build in. Only lenses with SAM or SSM motor will work. Then the PDAF, as long as the mirrorless cameras will use hybrid AF fast AF with A-mount lenses will be hard. These lenses are designed for the dedicated PDAF system in the DSLRs and not for the OSPDAF system combined with CDAF…
Parrot.
I really need an E-mount camera with IBIS and a better video codec such as the xavc-s. Also some good gamma profiles for video. And of course, 120fps video recording @1080p (even the iphone does it). Everything else can remain the same. Those are the features i value the most since i do mostly video work . And i’m sure i’m not alone here.
It’s highly unlikely that there will be a processor as powerful or advanced as the one in the iPhone 6 in a camera any time soon.
Hahaha lol
I’m not saying the iPhone has the most powerful processor, as it doesn’t, but what it does have it very modern manufacturing processes, and the most modern instruction set. A lot of attention goes into their making, as tens of millions of them are made. Camera processors, as far as we can tell (they’re not as closely inspected as those in phones) are typically based on very old technology, are comparatively inefficient, and have such a small production run by comparison that they just can’t even come close to competing with those in smartphones.
It would be easy to argue that they should actually be trying to move to adopting the smartphone platform and make use of standard Snapdragon processors. They’d get more bang for their buck, but it would require completely retooling existing system archectures.
Damn sir! Wow Wow wow wow.
I’m not exactly sure what your position is, but I’m not arguing the praise of iPhone or Android. The last thing I want is a camera that behaves like a smartphone. But what I Do want is a camera with guts/processing power that’s at least in the same ballpark.
Im assuming you wish for a gamepad that can be connected to your future camera.
I am afraid you are making a lot of assumptions which are totally false.
The processor in iPhone and the like are general purpose CPUs. The ones in cameras are purpose built. They are probably 100 times faster in what they do than the one in iPhone as most of their instruction set is designed for image processing.
You’re right, cameras have image processors, which are incomparably faster than smart phones for image and video processing.
I’m afraid that you’re the one making false assumptions. The processors in DSLR’s are in fact based on the same cores as smartphones, but they use older technology. As with many smartphone manufacturers, the camera manufacturers heavily modify these cores for their own purposes. They are quite tight lipped about what they are, and for good reason, as they’re embarrassing. For example:
Nikon Expeed processor is based on the ARMv5 core. This is a core used in 2009 smartphones, and some 2010 models. Guess what? Things have come a long, long way since then. The power offered by this core is possibly 1/8 to 1/4 of what is offered in newer models. It is also a variant that uses the 55nm manufacturing technique, while current processors are using 20nm and below. Is results in needlessly low power efficiency.
The Canon processor is based on a similarly old TI OMAP processor. I understand that it takes a lot of work to customize it for their purposes, but Apple and Samsung does this job in less than a year, while Canikon and Sony take 3-5 years to accomplish this task, resulting in needlessly slow and power hungry processors.
If they switched to software/firmware that could make use of less heavily customized processors with shorter turnaround time, or run a more standard open source Linux variant that can execute commands “to the metal”, then this problem would be largely negated.
I had a look at wikipedia pages for both expeed and digic. If we are to believe it, expeed 3 and 4 used some elements of ARM but it certainly is more than a copy of ARM according to wikipedia. And, it does not mention any standard processors for the later generations of the expeed processors.
It appears that there is performance sensitive portions of imaging pipeline that cannot be addressed with a general purpose CPU as they had to modify for expeed 3 and scrap most of ARM for expeed 4. And, my logic says it must be that way. Otherwise, just buying one of those chips and slapping their names on the face would have been much cheaper for both Canon and Nikon.
Please note wikipedia page on the bionz processor Sony uses also do not have any references to any of the general purpose chips available on the market
Do you have any insider knowledge on the matter?
Best,
K.
Oh God the iPhone. What else does your beloved iPhone do better? another army fruit company troll.
A6000 was a big step forward.
And still there have been some reviewers who said, a typical SLR in the same price range is still better – and they were right.
Then these same testers checked out NX1 – and now it depends on the test-method:
7Dmk2: 9 of 10 frames in focus = 90%
NX1: 11 of 15 frames in focus = 75%
win in relative in relative numbers: 7D (90% sharp), win in absolute numbers: NX1 (11 sharp fps)
If A6000-successor is similar than NX1 – everything is okay
No they are not. Films allways were produced at a higher resolution as they are shown on a very large screen. All films are downsized to DVD or Blueray or 4 K… That is what is the truth for now… That is why you can buy a HD blueray disk with a movie on it from the years before HD was there, that is why you will be able to buy movies in 4K in the future from older movies…
I would like to see more e-mount aps-c lenses on the way.
+ 16mm F1.8 (24 / 35mm equivalent)
+ 16-50mm F2.8 (24-75 / 35mm equivalent)
+ 300mm F4 (450 / 35mm equivalent)
+ 70-300mm F4.5-5.6 (105-450 / 35mm equivalent)
+ 400mm F5.6 (600 / 35mm equivalent)
And 4K (output 4k at least like the A7s)…
I own a A99, A77II and bought last week
a A7II (tired to wait the A7RII).
+ SAL70400G as native FE-mount
Yes, would be nice.
The telephotos can be FE lenses.
I want to buy this new rumored camera too.
I would like to use this 16mm F1.8 or/and 16-50mm F2.8.
It would be nice to see ANY new APS-c E-mount lenses. For me a better standard zoom and a high IQ tele without resorting to bulky adapters would be nice.
I spent some time with the Nikon 1 70-300 (which is about 200-800mm with the CX crop factor) and it was awesome.
+ for 16/1.8 (24mm eqiv.)
7D is not a full frame but its said to be faster than 1Dx and it makes more sense to make a crop sensor camera as a sports, action dedicated model than a FF.
Magnesium alloy, weather sealing, IBIS, 4k, -3ev AF, and vertical grip option. I will end up buying 3 of them.
“Real pro level APS-c” is like “Yugo F1 Car”
Can we be any more bombastic ?
You must hate the Olympus EM1
Doesn’t matter, still no decent 300mm, 500mm, 600mm, 800mm lenses.
But a 200mm with 3 2x converters and 1.5 crop factor is like a gazillion. At least that’s what the average idiot will claim
A72rii in 2015-2016? A99ii in 2016-2020? If ever
If it said, “Worlds most accurate auto focusing” then I’d be salivating. Not sure I we need more speed. I mean, last time I check there were no 70-200 2.8’s or 70-400’s. That would just look- well- silly.
E-mount cameras are already accurate because of the fact they’re mirrorless. I really do not miss having to micro adjust lenses.
the 5n i own regularly often in lowlight by a small amount.
I have never done this. I admit, I probably should learn. The a6000 has great focusing already. I’m just pointing out that more “focus” on accuracy would be welcome. I’d like Sony to communicate about this a bit more.
With fast moving subjects DSLRs are still much more accurate. The a6000 has micro adjustment, because of the PDAF.
The A6000 doesn’t have micro adjust.
Sure it does.
No it doesn’t, not for adjusting the OSPDAF/hybrid AF anyway.
It has a micro adjust function that is active when the LA-EA2/4 is attached, but that is completely irrelevant to the camera’s native sensor-based AF.
OK, thanks for the correction. Knew it was on there, but hadn’t tried to use it as I haven’t had any focus issues.
There are tons of pro shooters, especially video, commenting on here. many wishing for 4k and fast autofocus. There are iPhone shooters, praising how the iPhone is so powerful. There are low light shooters who only care about porn. Guys don’t call yourselves pros unless you make a wish for BUILT-IN ND FILTERS! Get back to the basics or learn the basics. I’ve been wishing for ND for hybrids and on mirrorless.
I’d like to see that as well, but then you’re talking a larger body – which will bring on more whiners.
Oh I thought you said more winers. Toast
How can Sony fit an ND filter in an E mount camera ? There is barely any space between sensor and mount.
Now thats an engineering question. Someday.
Do you have any new informations about the planned A7r Mark ii release???
Not yet. But I am very clsoe to get info today or tomorroew!
I’m hopeful…!!! 🙂
Any news about a RX1 successor?
B.S.
Can’t help but wonder if it means the end of the A77 line. Not discontinued overnight of course, but no further upgrades/replacements of the line.
I suspect the A7xxx will occupy a similar price point, will have a comparable build quality, now have IBIS, and even better autofocus, at least in decent light.
Other than legacy glass support, wouldn’t the A77 line simply become redundant?
Same could be said for the rest of the A-mount lineup. IMO that’s why the A99 is left twisting in the wind, clearly outclassed by various A7 models and the competition – except for the awesome ergonomics.
Yes and no. None of the A7 cameras have superior AF systems. (Not that the A99 AF system is great with its limited coverage, but all the A7’s are still a bit slower). None of the A7 cameras can do a true 6 fps. The 24mp full frame A7 cameras aren’t *that* much better in low light, only a half stop. (Where the best full frame cameras are a full stop or more better than the A99).
Now, we *might* see an A9 with pro build quality, ibis, dual card slots, faster true frame rate, dual card slots, faster AF, etc. And Sony may very well make the A9 their new flagship, leaving little reason to upgrade the A99. But as of now, the A99 does occupy a different market spot than any of the A7 cameras.
You really want two card slots don’t you?
A6000 already does 11fps and has phase detect all over the frame so I can imagine that a full frame would eventually have these too.
Special note is that the ea4 adapter for a mount glass is not on par with a77ii or a99
That’s because it’s on par with the a55. 😛
Yes.. eventually. We have gotten to the point where the A77ii may be looking redundant. And we may hit that point with full frame A-mount very soon as well, but we haven’t quite gotten there yet.
The ea4 adapter is fairly close to the current A99 system… 15 points, 3 cross point. Compared to 19 point with 11 cross point. So the A99 is better, but not massively better. A small step up.
The A77ii AF system is much better than the adapter…..
But as I said initially, other than legacy glass support, aren’t A-mount bodies becoming redundant?
Yes they are. I gave up on an A99 replacement and went to the A7 and A7 II bodies with LAEA4 adapter. The niggles like no AF assist light and poor tracking AF do get to me from time to time. If Sony does upgrade the A99 I may decide to take that instead
Solution : Touch Screen
Pricing-wise, if it is more expensive than the a6000 – this would mean that it is going to be at least $700 for body only, correct? I am basing this off of the a6000 (body only) being $650 retail on the Sony store. Anyone else have any ideas here?
I would settle for a larger photo buffer and allow me to take photos at a slower FPS while the buffer clears.
A6000 does this already. Only problem is that while buffer is clearing you cannot review photos. No problem to continue shooting and A6000 buffer is quite deep relative to competition much bigger like 30 shots or something like it
With a fast card I can shoot 45 shots before the buffer slows me down, thing is insane!
Sony produces prosumer cameras. Perhaps they will do what you want when /if they market a pro body.
Any chance full frame?
I hear a rumor that Sony may release a Full Frame E-Mount camera 2-years ago SR6 😉
Yes – but it was rumored to be a video-camera, only. Most people think for a smaller stills-body it is not possible to produce.
a7 m*r*ns….
The a7 is not a video camera only.
I meant “Sony NEX-VG900” – 2012
SR6, winner!
fastest af with a wideangel lens… gratulations sony.
tyr again when you have a good 400mm f2.8 or 600mm f4.
There is a high possibility that Sony will release new EF mount Fuji camera this year. It will work with both AI and pre AI lenses
Yeah, that elusive Mount Fuji camera. The choice of true mountaineers. 😉
Finally someone makes sense here. Though, there are some who prefer Mount Olympus.
is there a reason why the AF on the full size cameras can’t be like this?
Small sensors have smaller lenses and larger DOFs, that is about all I can think of.
hmm I supposed the larger DOF would help but the APSC cameras have PDAF and afaik, full frame does not?
The Sony A7 has PDAF, so does the A7s — I think it only the A7r that doesn’t.
lol, makes sense since I have the a7r and the AF is pretty terrible.
Has it, yes. But not with the speed and quality you find in the A6000, or a dedicated phase detect system.
Not sure what is undedicated about the PDAF implementation on the A7 ..? It is a combined CDAF / PDAF system on the A6000 as well, no?
The pdaf on the a7 is on the imaging sensor, it doesn’t use a separate dedicated AF module.
The a6000 also doesn’t use a dedicated AF module, but it’s just as fast as dedicated modules. The a7 is noticeably slower than good dedicated modules.
a7s has not
Thank you for the correction,
BS. or else stopping down would make focusing faster.
No it really was the only thing I could think of
But then the FE 70-200mm focusses very quickly on the A6000, so that can’t be it.
It will happen, just a matter of time. Certainly, ospdaf gets more difficult with larger sensors. The small 1″ sensor of the Nikon 1 line has had lightening fast AF for a few years now. Now, that type of AF speed is being found in APS-C mirrorless. Can’t be much longer before we see it in full frame.
Reason is:
People buy A7, cause it’s FF mirrorless
People buy A6000, cause it’s good
and if A7 and A6000 get a child, people buy again
Bigger and heavier lenses to move to make focus.
This is fantastic news. Add to the mix things like stabilisation, 14bit uncompressed RAW, full sensor read out in video, global shutter, two memory card slots, improved API and 4k and we have a winner or should I say my next camera.
I doubt we’ll see stabilisation, 14bit uncompressed RAW, full sensor readout, global shutter or two card slots in this camera. But the rest, sure.
haha just thinking logically here, right? life (and even less so photo gear) is no wish list 😛
haha dream on.. the only thing that’s probable is IBIS.. and maybe 4k, but I think Sony will save that for the A7sII.. but at least it will have a better codec (XAVC) compared to the A6000 which still has AVCHD
When will it be announced?
According to SAR “A long time trusted source contacted me to say that there is going to be a public E-mount event the days between May 20 and May 23” so yeah, there’s that. So much for the SR4 rumor accuracy. Yes, I know, it’s just a “rumor”. Swing and a miss! My guess is, whenever Sony is ready to announce it. I wouldn’t put any stock in anything more solid than that.
Mid june
Fastest AF in what respect? How measured (Fuji claimed the same thing), in what lighting conditions? Focus acquisition? AF tracking? After a certain level has been reached, it doesn’t make a big difference for the user if the AF works within 10^-7 or 10^-8 sec.
Pure marketing mumbo jumbo. No manufacturer is going to quantify their testing methodology. Best to take their statement with a lot of salt.
Considering how incredibly fast the A6000 AF is I think we can afford to cut Sony a little bit of slack. No point being a hater for the sake of it…
Its not about hating its about false advertising. Manufacturers shouldn’t be allowed to make such grandiose statements without at least quantifying their testing methodology.
A6000 claimed this fame too with 16-50 lens. Subsequently Samsung released their new camera that is now the king of the hill in terms of AF speed. Truth be told none of these is match for the old school DSLR like D700 for when speed does matter i.e. sports.
Perhaps one day these Samsung, Fuji and Sony cams will match the D4 but this day is yet to come. Until then if you need better AF for when AF speed matters EA4 on top of your mirrorless is by far the best option for a small camera and cameras like A77 ii, 7D, D4, D750, D810 will have their own place that mirrorless cannot take.
Also if you look at Gary Friedman’s video on mirrorless Af tracking you will understand why for now mirrorless simply cannot compete with DSLR.
I really want weather sealing so this is potentially great news. What I don’t understand is none of the current E mount lenses are weather sealed right?
So my own theory is that Sony will also release a 16-50mm weather sealed kit lens with this, and hopefully a few more E mount lenses that are weather sealed (or sell weather sealed versions of the current E mount lenses). Upgrading to the Zeiss FE lenses for weather sealing seems like it would kill the appeal for a low priced small weather sealed camera.
As it has killed all L lens sales to everyone who used crop Canon cameras over the years?
I’m skeptical on the weather sealing, but hope it’s true. Beats covering my camera in silicone caulking any day.
What about IBIS?
Will likely be reserved for higher end models, but hoping with you that the A7000 or whatever it is called will be positioned as such and brings the beef.
I wait for the A99II, if not released I’ll look for an A99 equivalent elsewhere.
IBIS, weather sealing, Tri Navi ( for aficionados), leveling gauge, Low light perfomance, DR and Colour Depth closer to A7II ones, 14bits uncompressed RAW, Faster 4D AF system, 4k video if they solved heating issue at a 1000-1200 euro for body only just to make Samsung upset 😉 but if they annoucne it on mid june, it will be available or bought only after summer time 😉
And sell with the fantastic 16~50 pancake zoom, just to ruin all the sensor qualities 🙂
we all have our opinions, but no to Tri-Navi here – fiddley noncommittal interface that should not exist on flagship models.
If this camera has more than the current 24mp then it is likely the a7rii will have more than 36mp too.
If however it has only 24mp than the new ff could possibly be only the same old 36mp sensor with a few tweaks.
a77 and a77ii both 24 mp. a7 and a7ii both have 24 mp.
Silly logic
Guaranteed same sensor as current a6000
Sony revealed a new 24MP APS-C sensor along with their new 16 and 20MP M4/3 sensors last month.
Bodies, bodies, bodies… Where are the fast telephoto e-mount lenses.
Just like in the dumb commercial showing Bayern keeper M. Neuer taking Sport pictures with the slow 16-50… This is ridiculous
OK, it’s going to be weather sealed, BUT what about the available lenses, there are NO weather sealed lenses at all ??? so what’s the point ?? anyone , thanks .
4K ?
Only the new PicYou series will offer internal 4K recording….
Hmm interesting which kit lenses will be..
Wouldn’t be the first time weather-sealed bodies came before the lenses.
For a long time, Pentax bodies were weathersealed but only 1-2 lenses (DA* glass) were, but after a few years, Pentax was including WR kit lenses with the bodies.
There is not one lens at this time at all, it’s therefore more a markething hype rather than something usefull, there has been one rumor about a new 16 – 70 weather sealed but could that one be come real ? thanks
The pancake zoom is better than many people say it is. It’s not perfect, but it is more than serviceable. It would be nice if Sony can come up with a 16-80 f4 G lens though.
^^ There is already a 16-70mm f4 Zeiss and a 18-105mm G lens.
Expecting a 16-80mm lens now is a bit too much wishful thinking.
It is wishful thinking, but why not wish?
Because it simply can’t happen !!! You have asked for a G lens. G lenses are supposedly right up there with Zeiss lenses in price. So why would Sony launch a lens with 10mm more reach and cost around the same ballpark ?
I still would not mind an 16-80 f4 G lens at around $700-$800 U.S. It may be impossible, but the 16-105mm and 16-80Z co-exists on the A-Mount (and the 16-105 is a good performer).
Ah good point on the 16-105mm and 16-80mm on the A mount. Didn’t remember that and I even use the 16-105mm.
But why would you want the 16-80mm f4 G at $800 when the 16-70mm f4 Zeiss sells for that price often.
Choice is good. And maybe the quality of the 16-80mm would be less variable.
I ll sell the 16-50 pancake and buy the zeiss 16-70mm which will be more usable for a larger range ;)…. For interior portrait, there will be still the Sigma 60mm or Sony 50mm lenses
Why sell it when you can keep it just in case you need a small, compact lens with decent quality? On the other hand, I bought the 18-105 G instead of the 16-70 zoom (and kept the pancake lens).
They just launched the 28mm f2 and the 35mm f1.4. Now there is the Zeiss 85mm f1.8 and 25mm f2 as well. More will surely come but bodies sell FAR FAR more than lenses.
Those are full frame lenses, with corresponding FF size/weight. Why on earth would you buy an APS-C mirrorless and put massive glass on it?
Mirrorless is probably the worst thing to use for wildlife photography. As much as I love the EVF its pretty poor compared to a good old optical viewfinder when tracking stuff.
Sony would do well to push their resources into other lenses to fix the gaps in their lenses.
No clue as we don’t know all the specs but if Sony is gunning for the competition flagships then the price will be $1k+ just like the NX1 and E-M1.
FE mount lenses are weather sealed. Which will obviously work perfectly well with this camera…
But using FE lenses, with their size and weight, makes even less sense on an APS-C camera than it does on a FF mirrorless – some of those are bigger and heavier than FF DSLR lenses.
1) It has the same kind of weather sealing of the A77II.
Does that mean we should expect some weather sealed E-mount lenses as well?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but there are no E-mount weather sealed lens at the moment, right?
Zeiss Batis lenses have gaskets I believe.
the batis video shows them being carried in the rain. so, soon i guess. probably start putting out V 2.0’s of the original emount line up eventually.
I only own a few of the E-mount lenses (35 1.4, 55 1.8, 70-200 4.0, 28-135 4.0) and each one is claimed to have weather resistant (moisture & dust) build. Hotly debated topic on what that really means, but in theory it should be in line with whatever weather resistance is being built into the the E-mount bodies. Which, frankly, just means minimum amount of sealing based on what I can see with a naked eye.
On a contrary, almost none of the A-mount lenses are sealed aside from a couple examples and the recent CZ/G zoom updates, and that’s despite the weather sealing on A77-A99.
So, if you want to compare A-bodies / A-glass then E-mount easily “wins” in the weather sealed body/glass department ratio 🙂
The interesting thing is that you almost never hear anyone complain about a ruined body/glass due to weather, but you constantly hear about how important it is to people…
FE 35mm 1.4
Come on people, you should know this by now.
ALL FE Lenses including the 2870 Kit Lens is Weather Sealed. While ALL the E Mount Lenses (APSC) including the $1000 1670Z are not Weather Sealed. Just clarifying…
Having said that, I would love to see updates to the good E Mount lenses with weather sealing. If I were at Sony, I would have made the rule “All Zeiss & Sony G lenses will be weather sealed” which would make a lot of sense. It makes no sense to me to see the FE Kit lens as weather sealed while the $1000 1670 Zeiss is not.
This is great news – however, a pro level APS-C mirrorless camera needs appropriate pro level APS-C lenses. Including weather sealing.
Turns out this is valid for all DSLR vs mirrorless not only Sony’s A vs E mount
For now all mirrorless will be inferior to DSLR until their AF modules can track with aperture wide open and only close their apertures when taking a shot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlBWL_UVUS8
I guess this is driven by cutting costs and claiming ever faster FPS – 15 fps for Samsung, 10 for Fuji, 11 for Sony….but in reality a 5 FPS A7 with EA4 and 20 yrs old 70-200/4 produces far more keepers.
Far more keepers compared to what exactly? My A77II nails about 9-10 out of 12FPS.
Seriously. My A6000 is insanely accurate compared to any of my previous Nikons (D90, D7000, D7100), even wide open. And my LA-EA2 is less accurate than the native AF, bringing keepers down to a bit less than Nikon’s level.
Indeed, that has been proven in reviews too.
The LA-EA adapters are not particularly accurate for continuous shooting and neither was the A77 in my experience.
Agreed. For single shot AF I have no real issues with the LAEA4 adapter. it gives me roughly about the same amount of misses as a 5D mk 3 gives but for continuous shooting then its simply a no contest and the LAEA4 practically throws in the towel. I get more misfocused shots than in focus shots.
By keepers, i’d like to think he meant actual well timed, composed, and ‘meaningful’ shots, not just shots in focus!.. but hey, maybe he didn’t meant that!
To claim mirrorless cameras are inferior to DSLRs just because some very specific feature like AF tracking can be theoretically better with the DSLR approach is kind of very subjective opinion.
This guy on the video while generally being correct about how it works – exaggerates it quite a bit – birds in flight at f25? Sure. Then at f5.6 things are back to normal.
just a little to add to the video. Remember that this only applies to stills not video. A dslr is stopped down when shooting video same as mirrorless. Second point is that if I’m shooting a moving subject odds are I’m going after a relatively fast shutter speed which means my lens will be wide open or close to it so focus tracking won’t be a problem. Ask your self how often will you be shooting a moving target in light so bright that you need to stop your lens down to f11or smaller? The only guys who will really find this an issue is the true sports shooters. Mirrorless is not far behind and it’s only a matter of time until everyone is more or less equal.
We’re at the point now where the more ‘confirmed rumors’ I hear, the less I believe this (a significant follow-on to the a6000) is actually going to happen. Something funny is going on inside Sony – maybe a big internal conflict about direction. In the end there might be no announcement at all – or some very negative developments.
its so lame to read the line “worlds fastest autofocus” go with EVERY new realease.. seriously, as much as i love mirrorless and use pretty much manual lenses only – my dear mirorless cams, your autofocus if WAY inferior to your mirrored brothers. period. stop the bullshit
The A7 (original) body is currently at $1000, while the A6000 body is $550. So I would guess somewhere in between those two figures, at least, and I would bet it’s toward the higher end of that range.
Exactly. Most ‘HD’ streams online are so compressed that they might as well have been 480p. Calling them DVD-quality would be generous.
This article gets the most anticipated comments for a recent while on SAR.
Though, I would like to have a thumb mouse instead of dial wheel.
I’ll buy if it has a FF sensor.
FF sensor mirrorless exists already, it’s called A7, A7R, A7S, A7II etc. Go buy one of those.
Got a7 & a7ii but might need a tiny FF toy.
go buy the rx1 then
Lol!
If Sony doesn`t make a7000 with a built in Sony Playstation tm Gamepad tm, no buy for me. Every pro should use gamepad, because pros dont have time to focus and recompose, its harming their workflow. With gamepad, you can focus with left analog stick, compose with right, use L1, L2, R1, R2 for exposure all in the same time.
I So much agree. Please Sony include up up down down left right left right for hidden featuresfeatures! Oh wait there’s more. Please make it an IPHONE killer with finger print scanner and 8 mega pixel with optical stabilizer F2.2. Andrew Reid and I will buy it!
Make . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Believe
Yes, and they need to add a back facing camera so we can record ourselves doing whip pans and touchscreen fiddling while shooting 30min clips on full AF, you know, stuff that pros constantly do!
No! Wait! Back facing lens mount altogether! So we could all bokeh Viber and bokeh Skype with each other in 85mm portrait mode with tiny depth of field. Touch screen with android gesture keyboard is a must!
Wow, we solved the mystery rumor about a new Sony system! It’s the ILC within a ILC! A tiny bayonet beside the EVF that take tiny lenses! Just fine by me just as long as it has IBIS, weather proofed lenses, 4K, low light capacity like the A7S and 256bit lossless raw!
I wish for an onboard projector so I could share with my clients instantly! Oh wait an invert lens with xray for porn shooting. I suggest Sony slapping an Apple logo on the front.
Don’t forget the internal TV receiver and the dual sim LTE phone system.
I’ll only buy this if it has a large format sensor, period.
Zero chance of that happening. This is a A6000 successor so it should have an APS-C sensor.
If you need a large format sensor camera you have come to the wrong place. Get a Pentax 645Z or if you need larger then get a Mamiya.
Those are both medium format, I said Large Format.
To all those who believe a7XX series with LAEA-4 is nearly equal to a99 or a77, please read through this thread and educate yourselves. It is not. Not even close.
http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/does-your-a7ii-allow-afc-with-high-cont-laea4_topic112363_page3.html
LAEA-4 only works at Low Continuous at 2fps, with all the prowess of an a55.
High Speed Continuous just locks focus after first frame.
This is true for both adapted LAEA-4 lenses, and also native Emount lenses… although they are oddly a bit different from one another. Native Emount lenses default to “Release Priority”. Adapted LAEA-4 lenses default to “Shutter Priority”.
a99/77/900/700 allow user to choose between Release or Shutter Priority, and sometimes a third option between the two.
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Also, a6000 with LAEA-4 is the same as above.
Moral of the story… forget about getting any long sportsman’s glass to AF as good as Amount does… much less the competition. Can’t get there from here.
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EDIT: If you have any of the above combos, and have different results, or more info, please add your findings to the Dyxum thread listed above. It’s an interesting read and surprising mystery revealed by the third page. Adapted A has opposite traits of Native E. So please designate which mount you are using. Otherwise it’ll get confusing.
Here’s one evangelist for adapted A, he appears to make a living from photography!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yCYBrNGoZ0
What about low-light AF? All new Panasonic cameras are able to focus down to -4EV…
Whether your point is valid or not, has no baring on the fact, that it has nothing to do with the comment answered above….
I would if it accepts interchangeable lenses. RX1 is a nice point and shoot…but still is a point and shoot.
4K.
What’s the newest rumor on the announcement? Feels so close, yet far away..
new rumors about 6xxx?