This one is from a new source and not confirmed by any trusted source or leak. But lately few trusted source proved to be wrong (wrong announcement date) and some non-trusted source proved to be right (Batis lens). So let’s see if that new source is spot on. I hope he is wrong because it would mean the A7rII will not get IBIS! Read here:
*Sony will be revealing the Apsc camera within a week.
*A7rII will remain with the 36mp sensor….Release will be before June but not announcement. No IBIS on the new A7rII but will have the new body/ergo style…Sony plans on keeping the IBIS(A7), R, and the S all exclusive to attract different markets in the photo/video world.. $-]
*Ax, will have the 59mp sensor and new raw sensor…(Hint for announcement: 5dsr will be heart broken when it compete against sales)
Would really be surprising if Sony would NOT add IBIS on the A7rII…
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lol… its obviously from a fanboy who has lost grip of reality.
canon outselles sony and the 5DR will outsell the sonys as well.
sony has only 3 lenses that make sense with a 50+ mp sensor anyway.
the rest.. maybe overprized manual zeiss glass.
The Sony will have the better sensor, that’s a given.
Canon has had the worse sensors for late 8 years — and still has largest marketshare.
There’s more to a sensor than dynamic range at 100iso, lol. They aren’t simply the worst sensors
It’s not that simple. The A7 easily outsell the 1DX for example. Likewise, the 5DS is quite expensive too, so if Sony can still undercut that by say $500 with a few extra features (adaptability, more compact and more lightweight, better LV and video capabilities, better DR) and a few less (AF speed, no OVF, less battery life etc.), then there is a chance it can outsell the Canon. Both will be operating in a niche market after all, not the massive (but diminishing) consumer market where Canon indeed reigns still.
It’d been interesting to see the sales metric for Canon 5D3 vs. Sony A7S amongst motion photographers now.
Exactly, not subjectively, what are the current Canon lenses that will be able to fully and beyond resolve 50 pixels-plus? For your information, the answer to that question is zero.
I’d be pissed if no IBIS in A7R II and A7S II
I would not be surprised if they provided IS in a7s2 and omitted it in a7r2, due to the lower per-pixel efficiency.
I think IBIS is a given, it makes ZERO sense to omit it.
A same sensored A7rii with slightly different ergonomics huh?
Seems more like a Canikon maneuver than a Sony one, but I guess it is SR2 not SR5…
I would rate this new source SR -2 (negative 2)
That is how I rated the source who last year told me about a 4K E-mount FF with almost 500.000 ISO 🙂
but that was hard to believe because was ahead of his time and a camera with a new focus
this rumor its like believing we are back to ccd sensors or mirror and prisms
hehe, the A7S was a an Ace up Sony’s sleeve that nobody could predict 🙂
But with the A7R II it just does not sound logical at all for them not to add all new A7 features, like the solid body and stabilisation since they have the technologies and they were very well accepted by the market.
I agree that the 59mp sensor is wishful thinking by Sony fans and has little chance to materialise.
The electronic first curtain and on-sensor PDAF also not likely, although I think they have a bit higher chance. Otherwise there is no point in releasing A7R II.
“the A7S was a an Ace up Sony’s sleeve that nobody could predict :)”
“the source who last year told me about a 4K E-mount FF”
Apparently someone did predict it, or had inside information, in which case, he might be correct on this claim
A7r is for those wanting highest resolution.
A7rii at 36mp will not sell well when 59mp version comes out.This camera is a waste and the resources should go into the high mp camera.
Would like to see high res and new generation of adapters, and see it available before the high mp Canon.
I doubt the 5ds sales will be anywhere near the 5d3 / 5d4 sales.
Agree.
Lack of IBIS could be explained if they’ve instead added A6000 class autofocus. To me it would make sense that adopting both in the same tech cycle would be too painful. They could have split the difference by adding IBIS to the A7 and better autofocus to the A7R.
Buyers of 5ds will not also buy the high res Sony.
Sony needs to make thier choice available before high res users buy the Canon because ther is no other option.
An early release will avoid the loss of that potential market share .
Sony needs to offer an A7Sll that addresses 4K, battery life, rolling shutter, recording time (read: no limit) and make it world camera, WAY before they offer more pixels. Otherwise they’ll loose traction as Canon did with their groundbreaking 5D2.
If video is your concern a high res camera is of absolutely no use to you.
I need the highest res still pictures possible and have absolutely zero use for video .
These two cameras serve differrent funtions, development of the a7sii has absolutely nothing to do with development of the new high res camera…they are not for the same use.
We know these facts, but where Sony choose to prioritize next will be for the good of the system as a whole. If we’re lucky, a high resolution A7ll (R) will be next, for people with your wants, but Sony really need to fulfill the motion side of the equation for the good of the system, that’s the meat & potatoes, going forward, sales-wise.
I would happily preorder an a7sII with IBIS (that works mechanically in video mode) plus internal 4k and pay 4k for it.
The IBIS in the A7ll (from what I’m told) works that way, and yes to your other points.
Let us extrapolate.
You wrote that a 36mp camera will not sell well if another camera that accepts the same lenses is released that can capture 59mp. Comparing the sales of a 5d3 or better a potential 5d4 to the higher res 5ds a year from now, I believe, will prove your prediction wrong.
Yes, the boys over at Vll couldn’t care less about high pixel-count cameras. As per most editorial shooters, who’re the biggest supporters of Canon 5D’s.
The declining high end camera market needs to appeal to those with specific needs that cannot be met by cellphones.
One camera to rule them all will not happen.
There is a need for highest possible resolution, and a camera to meet this need is necessary.
Cameras of more modest resolution will still be available and used by those that want that. 4K video is also best suited to cameras with more modest resolution.
The super res camera just needs to take great pictures..
An 8K consumer camera would be the obvious end-game, but that technology only exists in the labs over at RED currently, but if I were to guess, I’d say we’ll see that in a consumer camera like an RX-10 within the next 5-10 years. Interesting times!
8K……which I expect may begin to be seen in consumer cameras as early as 2020…at least thats what Panasonic claims….
Would have the added advantage of allowing relatively high resolution still frames to be extracted from video sequences.
However you totally contradict yourself by being pro 4K video and anti high resolution camera.
Whether you agree with me or not I have always been totally consistent in my desire for a high resolution still camera
>However you totally contradict yourself by being pro 4K video and anti high resolution camera<
What I think, or want, is irrelevant, it's what'll drive the market forward that we'll see first.
I'm not interested presently in shooting 4K video, to many storage constraints, both on location & for archiving, ask me again next week as things change on a daily basis in the tech world.
I agree on you analysis of still extraction from an 8K video stream – but only for news shooters. We'll see 4:2:0 8K long before anything appears that'll be usable for a serious still shooter, you can barely grade 4:2:0 files as it is, like I said, great for news, little else. And, if we ever happen to see 8K RAW, well we better have better long term storage options than we do currently.
FYI. I'm not anti a high resolution still camera, it just doesn't make real sense from an R&D perspective given the current market (most are perfectly happy & better served with a <24MP sensor). Nikon's best sensor & file is found on the D4, not the D810.
The camera market is declining in general, not just the high end market
Canon users are pixel-starved, so it must sell well.
No IBIS in the A7S II is a failure.
NO IBIS on A7R!!, if that is true then I will not purchase.
A7rII w/o IBIS is a no sale for me – one of the main attractions for this is IBIS for legacy glass OR for when the shutter and OIS on Sony lenses does not play well together . . . . this will be sad – hopefully the rumor is false.
I don’t believe it either. No way they make a new FE Body and leave out IBIS, That’s just a huge step backwards, and a great way to slow sales of those IS less primes.
I am expecting it, please dont tell this is true, else I think I will be one of not purchasing it…
I wonder if due to the resolution, the ultrasonic movements of the IS causes blurred images overall?
Image stabilization can degrade any image pipeline, as can autofocus. This is why ZEISS has been so leery about adopting either in their designs. However, like all these issues, in real-world shooting, how much difference does any of this stuff actually make.
It makes a huge difference. I have the a7 II and I did test so I know it.
Yan. I was referring to the “possible” negative effects on image quality, (like when everything is held relatively steady), not the positive effect on image quality via stabilization on shaky images. Big difference!
And your opinion as to the perceived-by-you difference is important why? Show us all the metrics. Show us all the empirical.
Oh, that’s why Zeiss has an IS now in their newest Batis line? Right.
Where did you read that?I read that Zeiss never opted to have af because the camera manufactures never gave them the full af code and without it they could not make a really good af system. Sigma as good as it is, doing reverse engeneering can’t match accuracy and speed of the canons and nikons lenses for their own systems. Sony probably helped in some way Zeiss to use their AF algorithms.
Search the ZEISS site.
No IBIS = fail
A6000 autofocus + No IBIS = success
i do agree, the question can be asked about improved AF. Leave the “speed” for a7 seriesdef for a7r series and high sensitivity for a7s . WHat about silent shutter again? damn i can’t i can’et wait!
Silent shutter mode (Full Electronic Shutter) is not coming on A7rII.
ok, thx a lot for the information!
I made a misunderstanding between silent shutter and silent mode ^^
so this one will be only in a7s series i guess
The A7RII without IBIS but with the same new body form factor make no sense. The advantage of the A7 brand is to be the “smallest full frame camera”, so I don’t see the point of a bigger and heavier A7RII for no purpose.
And on the opposite, if it has the same form factor, so it can fit IBIS.
I agree with this which is why I think it’s possible they’ll go with the nonsense option. It is sony after all
noone will buy the a7rii if not had 5 ibis, not for just better grip
besides, sony wont be able to justify the $500 increase like with the a7ii if they dont put ibis
and why invest all money in ibis and dont rip the benefits acroos the entire line
as always ibis can be disabled for those who needed/wanted it
if real, sony will had made their first miss step in a perfect ff mirrorless run
I would buy it in a heartbeat if they left off IBIS to gain A6000 class autofocus.
If it’s cheaper and lighter without the IBIS, have good AF, and silent shutter, I would prefer it.
Yes if it weighed 400g I would buy it
WTF is a “raw sensor”?!
if its the new design i came up 2 years ago, it will change everything!!!
forget about the crap of stacked sensors that its a roadblock or the gimmick curved sensors, my technology give true image
but i hardly doubt it, probably a typo, im sure they dont asked me to license my technology 😉
Is your last name Zeiss by any chance? I thought you were dead. Welcome back dude! Where have you been so long? Worlds gone crazy without you. Now it will all get sorted, I’m sure.
Probably “raw format”.
Probably raw engine.
same. if so, will wait for this so-called Ax with 59 mp. At least that’s a step forward..
It is not beyond Sony to leave IBIS off A7rII. They always do it, leaving something off unexplainably, just to segment markets.
THE LACK OF IBIS MAKES PERFECT SENSE IF and only if, they did it so they could deploy the A6000 autofocus technology to the A7RII. That would be fantastic – that’s what everyone is waiting for – an FF body with AF that can rival a DSLR. I could certainly see Sony having a problem adapting A6000 AF to use with IBIS.
My thoughts exactly. I would rather skip on the IBIS in order to get good AF, and silent shutter. I never had stabilization problems with the electronic first curtain of Nex5n even with 1/30″ I can’t say the same with A7R at 1/60″
But why the bigger body?
If they added DSLR class AF they can also expect professionals switching to want a better grip when strapping on the 35mm F1.4, the 85mm Batis, or the 70-200 FE. Personally I found the original A7 body too small for my hands. I don’t want to have to add an additional grip just to make it usable. I’m sure that feedback was echoed back to Sony a thousand times over and that’s what resulted in the grip size increase. If you want a body that small, go APS-C. Whining about a 100g weight difference in the body is kind of silly.
what is the advantage of using mirrorless then?
You are summarily dismissed as a clueless n00b troll.
It’s 193g lighter, that’s a substantial amount. For those looking to do long hikes like the PCT, AT, CDT, etc. that makes a HUGE difference and saying just get an APS-C is a ridiculous argument. We are comparing like for like. If some people do not like added weight, they might have reasons for it, and thinking otherwise is silly.
“I’m sure that feedback was echoed back to Sony a thousand times over and that’s what resulted in the grip size increase”
No, you aren’t sure of that. For all you know, they had to make the camera bigger to fit in the IBIS mechanism.
Luckily leica have a full-frame camera in production, like the m9 but with an EVF. I am excited for it and the new lenses they produce
IBIS is almost irrelevant to AF. They’re having problems with pixel architecture and lack of AA filter on 36-mp bodies.
Rigggghhht. The IBIS moves the sensor, the sensor has the phase-detection AF points. But I guess you’re a Sony engineer, so you can explain how it compensates. It all must be very simple if you understand it so well.
probably i would explain if you did not cry personal insults
The a6000 cannot rival a DSLR. I’ve seen videos where people configure the a6000 properly and fail to configure a 5d mk 3, while using a terrible lens. I’ve also seen people fail to consider an a6000 properly but they configured the 5d mk 3 properly.
When you configure both properly and use two newish lenses (70-200 f4 for example), you will see the a6000 is not comparable to the 5d mk 3.
This is like the windows vs linux debates. Someone spends 50 hours setting up windows and compares to a 50minute install of linux, or they spend 50 hours setting up linux and compare to a 50minute install of windows
Hey, I only report the news…….. 🙂
no Ibis = no deal
Didnt a Sony guy say in an interview they have no plans to add IBIS to the A7R yet? They have to differentiate the A7II from the A7RII.
Also I dont think it will have PDAF either.
No he didn’t. He said maybe the A7r didn’t need upgrading to IBIS *yet* this was was when the A7II came out. I always thought that the comment just meant that we would have to wait a bit for the A7rII. Well we have waited so it’s due. A lot of people thought that comment meant no IBIS in the A7rII, and I’ll bet this ‘source’ is just one of those people.
SR: -5
This is going back not foward, they defined clearly what they wanted this is not logical. “new raw sensor” shows that he does not know what he is talking about.
if the rumour was in Japanese or Chinese and then google translated to English all weird things may happen. So assume it is new RAW file format or something else that makes sense
LOL. Really an a7R needs to be on a tripod. Because of this IBIS is unlikely. Sony does understand the huge fanboi crowd but they will get better pictures with a smaller sensor handheld. It’s just Sony being the adult in the room.
Hmm, this may not be a popular opinion.
No, not a popular opinion at all. I’ve taken thousands of shots with my a7R and maybe less than 10% of them have been with a tripod. It certainly doesn’t _need_ to be on a tripod.
Since most of my lenses are M-mount with no electronics, IBIS would be a huge win.
Oh sure, I’ve been experimenting with no tripod and my 35mm for a while now. Still I take landscapes normally and my tripod and RRS goodies make that a very stable platform. I started this nonsense with a Nikon FM2 and I shot 50 iso film exclusively. A tripod was essential back then.
Still I may be in a rut, so I have been doing video a bit, and some backwoods street photography with the 35mm. Mixed results but fun, which is why I do it.
I don’t understand why you aren’t using an adapter which allows electronics. There’s a few of them available, and they’re better than metabones.
IBIS isn’t needed for any camera, but it certainly helps for per pixel sharpness. If you aren’t going to have per pixel sharpness, then it makes the idea of more megapixels less appealing other than for downsampling, moire reduction etc
Yes your opinion is not popular because it’s wrong . . . the A7R does not need to be on a tripod – I have gotten many pixel level sharp images hand held just fine. IBIS is a must for manual focus assist and getting sharper shots at lower speeds – especially for 36MP of resolution.
It doesn’t make any sense, IBIS has proven to be one of the most attracting spec from A7 for customers, they have the system, it’s the same sensor size and they have to put it on as many cameras as they can to get development costs back. Also it lets them use the same body on A7 because it won’t make sense to use the A7 body (which is thicker) and not get advantage of puting a IS on it
Totaly agree with you.
I think that Sony is just stirring up the rumour mill. Getting as many people as possible to be blogging and posting about their upcoming product releases. After all, it is great free publicity.
Only way the larger grip works wothiut IBIS is if it has a bigger battery.
Personally, I think the ergo of the bigger grip is better regardless, but yes, I wish they’d just give us the standard DSLR/T battery.
Honestly, I can’t imagine they wont’ include IBIS, as it’s just too much of a selling point, and really, it becomes more and more of a selling point as resolution increases, as stability becomes more of an issue as they increase that pixel density.
this new source sounds like he’s full of crap. or sony camera dept let out false info and read SAR comments for laughs
59MP
HahHAhaHAHahAHaHAHahA
thank you! that was funny 🙂
Probably raw rumor.
Common Sony, don’t be about the $$ be about the photographer!
SR2 remember, it is not Sony it is SAR! (well there informants actualy)
Dude. It’s not communism.
Unfortunately…
maybe its true about no ibis, hence zeiss making batis with is built in the lenses.
yes but ive heard that in lens IS is better for mini tele and tele than in camera. But maybe you re right!
and just may be this is not quite true for the 5 axis stabilisation in A7ii or M10. Look at the DPreview tests 200mm is stabilised just as well as 24mm
The a72 IBIS system works in conjunction with lens IS.
From reading the comments I can see the new E-Mount Hipsters haven’t been around long enough to know Sony ALWAYS leaves something out or cripples the camera/usability in one way or another like A-Mount users should be VERY used to. Sony has ALL of the features you want in a camera…You just have to buy 5 different Sony models to have them all but can only have one at a time. You might just slowdown on buying bodies if they produce what you want in ONE body and that’s not too good for Sony’s pocketbook or their investors.
*yawn*
Spoken like a true Sony employee. You should wake up and listen to consumers/commenters on this site once in a while.
I should wake up? Says the guy moaning about the lack of a feature on a luxury he’s not forced to buy.
I should wake up lol.
I think the reply was meant for “mik” not you 🙂
They’re a business. If they don’t make money, you don’t get innovation. They’re not a charity. I’d love to see your complete short term non profit business model that can change the world and feed your family.
You’re looking for the perfect camera, if you can find one that exists – let me know.
NO IBIS = ASININE
since there isn’t much good and affordable glass out there from Sony with IS integrated, at least amateur users are “forced” to look at A-mount stuff from Tamron and Sigma. Since these companies only provide a very small fraction of their current line up with IS for A-mount, leaving out IBIS is simply a no-go. This is the point preventing me switching from my a850 to E-mount system. The only option was my a7s because the high ISO capability compensated for missing IBIS.
The message s clear; before buying a FE without IBIS I would rather switch to Nikon. The lenses from Tamron&Sigma do provide IS for Nikon, Nikon is using Sony sensors…
Best of both worlds… Sony…please!!!! do release an a88 oder a99II in the ususal way with IBIS!!!
if you compare for hybrid Nikon is a no go. It’s not the same at all. ANd i think is not working on 5 axis ( it was in old one but not sure about that). TOo heavy for me anymore and not so easy to compose with. But a lot of discuss about that i stop right away!
Yeah, I love my A900 with ZA glass, but the weight is a no-go at this point in my life, especially for travel. It’s a pain for sure to figure out which way to go.
Releasing an A7Rii without IBIS would be crazy, since it’s the body which needs it most. Still, Sony have made some crazy decisions with lens lineup with the A7 series, so nothing would surprise me.
well leaving out ibis sounds retarded. but then so does neglecting a loyal customer base to the extent they think, and everyone else thinks its dead system.
Leaving out IBIS may be good thing for high MP camera. IBIS saves pictures at low shutter speed from becoming complete garbage and delivers mediocre sharpness. This applies to lens stabilisation as it does to sensor based. So may be 36MP camera is better off without IBIS?
If they improve the sensor to have EFCS or even silent shutter this may be more valuable.
It makes more sense to have it. You can always turn it off for situations that don’t need it.
Forget EFCS. What we really need is a global shutter that will flash synch at any speed.
AND that new digital (on chip) ND filter sony put in its latest prosumer video camera!!!!
I don’t shoot video but I would love the ND filter for stills
All one in the same today, got live view & an EVF your effectively working a video camera, might as well take all the video goodies too. Biggest video plus for my stills shooting, Zebras, brilliant to have in the EVF.
Totally agree. I don’t believe Sony would be so far ahead of the others in tech without thier video experience. CaNikon just don’t get it. I think when someone truly gets it the old slr/dslr concept just doesn’t make any sense.
Sync not synch
Banged off with no delay to test the camera. About 15 minutes later it was dark. It was on my tripod:
http://carnagepro.com/photo/a7R/arrowsmithFF.jpg
Have a few pixels.
No ibis on a7r 2 will be a pass for me. Ill save money and get a72 which im pretty satisfied with.
Far more important than IBIS, they definitely need to resolve the shutter vibration and noise issues. Also, I think they better provide the option for lossless RAW files. If they resolve those issues and limitations, they will have a very good camera regardless of whether it has IBIS.
Guys you can all relax now…this rumour just in…
SR5 – IBIS will be included with A7RII as an accessory. Price to be determined.
Sht man, this ibis is without camera. So, i have to buy a camera accessory for this ibis or what?
This is the most essential feature for Bird In Flight photography.
A7RII without IBIS is not worth the switch..
I don’t think that Sony will skip IBIS for A7RII
A7RII With A6000 focusing would be.
Come to think of it if Sony really wants to limit the R series to appeasing the landscape people then nothing is really needed on the Rs except the high resolution, and maybe a more stable shutter mechanism but that’s it. Who needs faster AF for landscape anyways.
IBIS is better for landscapes where tripods aren’t used, and a high resolution is used. People need to accept that the smoky water fad isn’t the only way to take a photograph
They’ve added things in the past to take them away. Perhaps they’ll include gps again or something
I really hope sony gets serious soon. When merging things is impossible, like a7r with a7s sensitivity, its ok. But excluding ibis from any camera that can implement it points to the strategy where quality dont matter, only money. That works for a short time, but pisses people off to other brands soon. A6000 pdaf is invented, and put in a cheap camera, and still there is no FE with decent af-c. I fear we will always have one camera for af, the other for high res, third for video and fourth for something in between.
Similar to what Canon does. It is annoying, but IBIS is not a deal breaker for me. Shutter vibration and being limited to lossy files are deal breakers for me though.
While it is subjective, Sony should work on the design as well, as the A7 series has just as ugly of a design as a DSLR
This is similar to my guesses. A lot has changed with Sony in the last couple of years and there seems to be very little leaks anymore.
There was a talk with some sony engineers posted either here or at some other site about 6 months ago saying that A7r model target audience does not need Image Stabilization. So I thought all along the next model in 7r series won’t have it. On the other hand I think they will include electronic shutter feature to fight with shutter shock. In terms of better AF than A7r first year…. maybe
Well yeah, they’re kind of right, — I don’t need IBIS on an A7r — I wouldn’t have bought one if I did.
If they want me to buy a Mkii of the camera with the same sensor though, they need to put something compelling in there, and IBIS would go a long way.
I didn’t buy one because it didn’t.
Sounds like BS to me. Why leave out a key technology if technology leadership is your core strategy? This would be senseless.
Well, for FF mirrorless there’s no wagon to jump to anyways so even if Sony decides to cripple the a7RII we’ll just have to wait out another cycle for the next product I guess.
Probably by 2025.
I think there are too many models. There’s times I want to shoot landscapes, times I want to shoot portraits. The a7s is useless for me, it does not have enough megapixels for large prints. The a7ii lacks megapixels too for large prints (before you argue this blindly, please ask me what size prints I do and then you’ll come to the same conclusion as me).
More megapixels equates to the equivalent of more reach when looking at pixels on a single pixel basis. I realise someone is going to argue with this, but if you zoom in on one 400pixel area of the photograph taken from an a7r, that is going to show a narrower field of view than one 400pixel area on the a7s. People are accustomed to the fact that 800mm requires better image stabilisation than 80mm, and they accept that they should boost their shutter. Some people say shoot at a shutter speed comparable to focal length, 1/30th for a 30mm and so on.
If you then apply the same logic to a higher resolution camera, for per pixel sharpness (overall sharpness won’t be much different on a higher resolution camera, excluding downsampling, lack of aa filter and other variables not related to the point I am making), it is more logical to have IBIS on the a7rII than it is the a7ii.
Not all landscape photographs are taken the same way. I see this fad where people put their camera on a tripod, find lousy composition and shoot with a 30second shutter. Everyone says “wow, you’re such a good photographer” and “that’s such a good photograph!” In my opinion, they’re usually crap photographs. Some of the best landscape photography I have seen has been composed in the same way you would a portrait. You find the subject, you add depth, you make the person feel like they are a part of the photograph. IBIS is helpful for this but not essential. If IBIS isn’t going to be included (I think I’d rather a small body), then at least have a lightweight body. I don’t like how the cameras are getting bigger… I have big hands and the a7ii isn’t that comfortable for me. The a7r is actually more comfortable.
EFCS has serious issues on sony cameras, and creates banding
Let’s face it guys, this wouldn’t be the first time sony have added a feature (gps) and taken it away later, only to add it again at a later date
NO IBIS NO SALE.
Sony certainly could do a lot to dispel their reputation as a greedy profit-centric organization by making sure the A7RII has IBIS and even silent shutter. Sprinkling popular features into different models has been the bane of their existence and the reason many photographers have resisted switching to Sony cameras IMHO.
Man. Seriously.
I agree! I have been waiting for the A7rII, However no IBIS I am unlikely to upgrade from my current A7r
Sony is BROKE and they can’t get their act together. Stop wasting time waiting for Godot and get a hi-res Canon instead!
Sorry I need the dynamic range
/ROFL @you
Eh, I agree with most of what you said, but I think the A7s is for the video folk as much as anything, so I’m not sure that’s the model to drop.
Dropping either the A7r or A7 model would be fine IMO, but there’s a pretty big price difference there and I think that’s part of the reason why both exist.
I think there should be an a7s and an a7r, high resolution and high sensitivity. I only need the latter but I respect those that need the former. There’s no real reason to have a middle model, so long as you include the features from that on both cameras
entry level body.
Ugh, that smoky water is so freaking overused.
I think it is (weird but) ok to not have IBIS for people that only/mostly use native lens with IS anyway, since the camera will be thinner and less complex design and less expensive than with IBIS. What i’d take is a thin, high-MP, lightweight camera, without AA filter, and a touch-screen.
No IBIS with the same 36MP?
Unless it has A6000 like autofocus or A7s like sensitivity, I don’t think anybody will be interested.
It’s June. Where is the a7r ii at??